Boo hoo, corporations aren't giving away money to poor people. Why should they? Corporations work for profit, it's government's job to ensure that in the grand scheme of things it all works out well. And governments have many ways to control corporations.
There is little mention of positive externalities here which are also important - a corporation can create jobs in a local economy, historically whole urban centres have developed around corporations (in Britain, this freed people from serfdom albeit bringing new problems). Also, a corporation may seek to externalize costs but a more sustainable, and ultimately more successful policy, would be to reduce costs as a whole (e.g. through efficient energy use).
the corporation IS a representation of the culture that runs it. Not just the rich, but everyone who demands to 'get money for nothing and chicks for free'
If I make a deal with a company to fire proof my house my neighbors don't pay for that benefit. They benefit cuz the fire will be contained in my house & not spread to theirs. Moreover, they don't pay me for that benefit. You do know governments cause neg third party effects too. Or are you voluntarily blind to this?
LOL. You guys are very biased aren't you. Externalities or 3rd party effects, can be negative or positive costs or benefits respectively, that are not reflected in the price system.
Why would you not be liable, your guilt is undeniable -
Just take responsibility, don’t doubt the feasibility -
You’ve got the capability, to do-it, yeah! " --> The Corporation was the inspiration to this song: "No More" on youtube: watch?v=8W_sR-fbKo0 (recorded by making use of only solar power!)
I would love to give you even $1 but after this world wide private bank rip off I haven't got a spare dime even...... sorry but I have tweeted you !!! excellent concept and truthfulness....
hi, i'm the deusch bag who made this trap of lies, I used several corporations and the goods of hundreds to do it. I got many speakers like Michael Moore who own and are invested in corporations to talk bad about them and how evil they are because the investors did so to make money. Ps many people invested time to make this film please send us lots of money. LMAO what a crock
It's not corporations that harm our freedom. It's Government mixed with corporations that harm our freedom. Only through Government can a business become a monopoly. We need a total separation of State and economics.
Externalities are definitely a market failure but why does it make any sense to replace a market failure with a government failure? Also this man's (not Friedman because he is right about basically everything) description of an externality makes no sense. An externality is something that the price mechanism can not cover and effects a third party against his will. Lol this documentary has NO substance whatsoever, just bad shark analogies.
I watched "The Corporation" on LinkTV the other night. As a business major, and an employee of a "Corporation" for 31 years I found it really interesting. A Corporation should NOT be classified as a human being, yet Corporations do have certain rights that aren't covered by current law. Like it or not corporations control huge swaths of our everyday lives but WE as citizens have a right to restrain some of their power. Grassroots vs. MONEY... It's gonna be tough but we've got to try!
@MagnitudePerson -so your philosophy would dictate the future of 49 people based on what 51 people deem fit. mmmmmm seems a tad bit unbalanced. "to the republic for which it stands"
listen carefully to the last thing he says in this segment... "and to allow any cost that this unwary or uncaring public will allow it to externalize."
That is a load of BS. The public is NOT UN-caring. They are UN-INFORMED, and it is done ON PURPOSE for the intention of all sorts of money & power agendas. It seems to me that the root of the problem is clearly the scam interpretation of the 14th amendment by the supreme courts, because the truth is... these corporations are NOT persons. JMHO.
While in office, the politicians that are crooked, mismanage public funds and when there is no money to take care of ....lets say the roads, they sell off that right ...the public road system to a corporation ...who will now find a way to charge everyone for using it's roads.... except that all along , the public paid gas taxes to maintain those roads, but that money was used for...oh, I dont know... wars, and what ever else makes another corporation a shit load of money...
the explanation makes sense only if you assume that politicians are not greedy, money hungry, powerhungry individuals in the process of relinquishing responsibility of the gov. to a corporation in return for big payoffs, and good positions in that corporation after their term in office... greed greed greed...
@WeAreFuckingRetarded This is exactly why we need a Constitutional Amendment to abolish "Corporate Personhood" and ban corporations from politics. Then the only way for politicians to raise money will by the support of The People who they serve.
Corporations have a mandate to minimize costs--and one way to do this is to make someone else pay for it. The only thing to prevent this is the LAW. However, thanks to the Supreme Court, corporations can use campaign donations and lobbyists to buy whatever legislation they want.
We need a Constitutional Amendment to abolish "Corporate Personhood" and ban corporations from politics!
And most importantly: A more responsible economy and also more responsible and thoughtful customers.
Sadly, in todays time, we seem to define freedom, only as the freedom to buy as many products we want and to travel everywhere we want. If everyone would realize, that overboard consumption, will inevitably destroy the economy in the long run, i guess we would be able to change our way we do economy.
@Zeitgeist28 sure thing guy everyone just comes along decides to make better decisions and afterwards we'll hold hands and sing koom-buy-ya . . . the answer is not hoping that everyone on earth suddenly becomes a good person, we need to make it profitable not to create externalities through regulation.
No..That someone else is usually the public and the planet and in the long term, the corporations themselves.
If there's only a limited amount of Ressource A to produce product B, generally speaking, the scarceness of Resource A, determines Marketprice for B, so that some kind of optimal allocation can take place. Problem is: Earths resources are finite, yet corporations produce products, without taking that limit into account. This leads to market failure.
To make it simple. If there's only one gallon of oil left on earth, this gallon will cost trillions.
So. If free market are to allocate resources optimally, their scarceness has to be taken into account. Not only demand. If there's no iron left, no cars. Therefore, everyone loses. In reality, all products we consume daily, are WAY too low priced. They would have to cost much more in reality, to account for external costs and to create a sustainable economy.
Neo classical ideology, that propagades, that if everyone looks out for himself and tries to optimize his own benefit, it will lead to prosperity for all, is completely wrong. The individual doesn't take into account, that his actions, further the decline of economy if externalities aren't accounted for by an outside party.
It's really simple math. Our eco system has PHYSICAL limits. If finite resources are gone, they're gone and won't come back. That's why need a more ecological economy!
AMERICAN REPUBLICAN FASCISM: Nationalism without merit - Constant desire for "rebirth" Military Worship Worship of the ultra rich Corporation & State collaboration - avoiding labour rights Social Darwinism - "Bad things happen to bad people" Inequality is good & necessary Fraudulent Elections Imperialism - Culturally & Militarly Minimal social policies Corporate media manipulation Anti-intellectual Anti-multiculturalism Anti-homosexuality Anti-labor unions Anti-social democracy
Uniform Commercial COde 1-207 and UCC 1-306, reserve your rights or through waiver you lose them. If you don't assert your rights then you are liable to laws because of waiver...you're a zombie that has to be managed ...so you plead or beg instead.
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@45erwx7 It's the 'shareware' version in that you're not paying for it. You can purchase the movie for a few bucks, but by the same logic, you wouldn't be here watching this if you did.
@45erwx7 That's just because this is YouTube lol. I think it made more sense to upload each scene of the documentary as a separate video so it would be more organized than if the video stopped in the middle of someone talking. The videos of this on YouTube is like the scene selection menu of a DVD movie.
Realize this the argument is the criminal unconstitutional act of creating the legal person. I can bet my top dollar none of you know what the difference of the terms "State of Ohio" & "Ohio state" or why you need to pay a corporate body to get a license to drive when in the constitution conveyance is an inalienable right. This documentary just scratched the surface. Buy a law dictionary & the U.S Republic Constitution and see why u became a corporation the moment your mother/informant had you.
"State of" is opinion or fiction it has not cognate to science of law or self. e.g Kofi is in a state of psychosis, now that is an opinion or deduction, so to qualify the statement, the reality must be scientifically determined using facts. Then we can say kofi is in a psychotic state or otherwise. Whenever you hear "state of" before the object e.g Ohio that is a fictional jurisdiction and the only way it exists is in our minds because we agree with the legal terms not lawful terms.
Also "state of" refers to something non-permanent and changeable unlike your guaranteed inalienable rights to conveyance. To not move is to die. So a fictional jurisdiction cannot have power over you unless you become a corporate entity i.e an individual with your name in all caps, individual with a colour instead of status, an individual with a slave name, with a birth/ marriage certificate there are so many traps to put and individual in artificial jurisdiction under the colour of law&arms.
Yes, that's right, but most of these ridiculous set up law definitions, come from the British system that this country and its' law are still under. This is why lawyers take a B.A.R exam, in court settings, this means "British Accredited Registry" exam. Why NOT an American Accredited Registry exam ? Well, because there is NO independent American system, this U.S. corporation has ALWAYS been just a mere British colony, every president in history has been pimped by the royalty of England.
I agree but check this out, if you study law in Britain you cannot practice it in the U.S corporation jurisdiction, why? Cos you will have to be tought the truth about the corporation and you also will have to become a member of a group of knights or masons while swearing allegiance a oath of secrecy. The U.S corporation is an illegal occupying colony of Rome actually, Britain is a roman colony which is why all monarchs bow to the pope. All European rulers are related by blood or masonic oath.
"Britain is a roman colony which is why all monarchs bow to the pope"
Britain did indeed bow to the pope until the 16th century when Henry VIII split from it and formed the Church of England. Ever since then British monarchy have been either protestant or under the the Church of England. There's been no direct links between the Vatican and the monarchy for a very long time.
@Quizcos Thank you. I'm so sick of these morons who claim the Vatican is the grand architect of all the world's evil. They are woefully ignorant of history. The control grid we are under has been under construction for much too long to be blamed entirely on the Vatican. The Holy See is but one strand in the entrapping web.
@eiwaz first of all saying I am a moron has to be qualified though I do not take offence. If you think all monarchs in Uk are free of rome cos they have a different style of church shows your ignorance on this matter. The magna carta came b4 the society of jesus in 1540. Do your homework, stop taking other peoples opinions, if you look in any decent encyclopedia or oxford dictionary for the meaning of a Jesuit or the history of Ignatius Loyola you will see that all roads will still lead to rome
@Avabz Idiot! The concept and practice of establishing an all encompassing control grid seriously predate everything you just babbled. Good luck with your free man on the land bullshit. You can't (ultimately) win against that system by trying to use it in your favor. Law means whatever the gov't. says it does. The system will not bend to your will because you think you've discovered a technicality you can exploit.
@eiwaz why do you engage an Idiot??? cos you are 1 too. You are too weak to be free doesn't mean I have to join you. You look outside yourself for governance thats why you have to use ignorance to try to disqualify me but as ignorance is like belief u are stuck. I am not here for you...which is what you wish. Those who have what it takes know what to do. For it is not good to shine too much light on weak eyes. Stay asleep and enjoy your gradual inductrination.
@EducatedRebellion101 I totally agree with you, except for the fact that it's not being the Vritish Royal Family "pimping out" your presidents, it's been our recent string of prime ministers who've shared Brokeback Mountain-esque relationships with your presidents (no offence intended).
@EducatedRebellion101 oh piss off with your stupid conspiracy, bar is spelt bar, not B.A.R, it comes from the medeiveal bars in law courts, ever heard of bar association? stupid idiot home. hiwaay. net/~becraft/BAR. html without spaces go on this link
@EducatedRebellion101 This point of view is incredibly interesting to me as a Brit. In Britain there are those that think similar things in reverse, that we in the UK are the 51st State. I said I am a Brit, but I have no loyalty to any country. I'd be very interested to see your evidence, as it's a cool idea.
@EducatedRebellion101 Thank you so much for the important info on the meaning of B.A.R exam I never knew. I also have learned we own no property there is tax attached to each parcel of land in the United States debt owed to The King of Engalnd .
@EducatedRebellion101 What nonsense :) "bar" is just a word that also ment the railing that divided the court between the front and the back. The whole acronym-theory is just some fantasy of those typical American paranoiacs. Really, get a look in some real dictionary!
U are totally wrong. Bar does not stand for british accredited registry. You just made this up. Another liberal piece of nonsense. It does not exist. British Accredited Registry? LMAO.
It got 19 thumbs up. LOL, what liberal moon bats that have no idea of reality. Good job morons, obama probably get elected again because of you bums. Gimme this, gimme that, fuck you!
And anyone can go live in the woods with a tent. but nobody wants to give up things like indoor plumbing, toilet paper, refrigeration, Air Conditioning and heat, modern medicine, something but candlelights and books. We have evolved out of a short brutish existence and the reason is invention and mass production.
It probably takes 100 corporations to bring you a computer or TV. You have mining companies, people to smelt copper, chemists to make plastics, others for molding, glass manufacturers, companies to make nuts and bolts, silicon, manufacture chips with billions of connections in a small space, tons of research into physics, internet protocols, computer languages, to assemble drives, cables, etc, etc. It's not like buying a desk. You're buying a trilion in research, 1000 workers touching the parts.
Corporations do more good than harm. They supply all our products, provide tens of millions of jobs, rarely making more than 10% profit, which is why Circuit City, Best Buy and General Motors are on the ropes. If they take in 10 billion they are lucky if they clear 1 billion. They can't give things away at a loss like the government, who has a 50 trillion medicaid medicare obligation that will bankrupt us all. If you dont like their products, buy their competitors or not at all.
Anyone that thinks all corporations or profit is evil is free to live in a tent and crap in the woods. Personally, I like my air conditioned apartment and all the things inside like my computer, television, stereo, books, DVDs, etc. There is a difference between pointing out problems and claiming the entire system is the problem. Most of the things that exist are a result of a profit motive. Virtually all of the jobs.
Oh yes there are benefits, but only the few are reaping them. I see you happen to live a life of privilege, so I guess that's why you feel that way, since you're one of the lucky few.
Really? The few are reaping the benefits of computers, and the hundreds of companies it takes to make them? How about books? The materials for indoor plumbing? Mass production drops prices. Initially the things that inspired Ford, Gates and Jobs were product everyone could use, not just the rich. Nearly everything you have and use is doue to mass production.
Recent psychological studies show that people from 19th century could've had a level of happiness quite similar to ours. The point is made: no cars, microwaves, cellphones, computers, Internet, etc., etc. Creating needs that only corporations can satisfied doesn't prove anything in their favor. The harm is quite worse: exploitation, pollution, corruption, modern slavery. I'm writing this from a PC using Internet, but living in a world without'em would make us miserables, less humans?
Google (youtube) is a corporation. Microsoft and Apple, either of whom supply the software you are using right now are corporations. Dell, HP, Toshiba, are corporations, supplying the computer you are using, are corps.
These corporations ultimately are seeking out not to help you, but to acheive a profit. It just so happens that by helping you via a voluntary transaction, they are able to make a profit.
You're a blind, newage idiot if you would really rather do without these companies.
Of course I have. It's horribly pieced together. They exaggerate the extent to which laws treat a corporation like a human. And like I mentioned in my first comment, they quote professional economists out of context.
All a corporation is, is a company owned by stockowners. And a public corporation is a corporation that you can own a piece of tomorrow if you wanted to.
Public corporations are owned in large part by the public. Their objective is to generate wealth for its owners.
Right. Look at American invension compared to Soviet. The profit motive gave us cheap mass produced things in every shape size and color. There are 10,000 people complaining about America for every one that leaves. No one ever snuck into East Germany for a better life.
You sound like a very well-educated idiot yourself. It takes a real good education to be so doctrinated. Of course,they are evil by nature.What planet do you live in?The moment someone says I'm gonna be richer and much better off from the rest of the people,that is the start of pure evil.The rest is really easy.
No,that 99% CHOSE to sell their soul to Enron,secondly did you ever talk to any of that 99%?How do you know all of them agree with your opinion?maybe some after what happened realized what this is all about.This is all about world domination by the owners and the shareholders of corporations and the race between hundreds of corporations to position themselves.Don't even put michael moore and sony,nbc in the same sentence.A transnational corporation is every bit different than your corner deli.
created to MAINTAIN the status quo, not challenge it. you learn to play the game their, and unpopular opinions provable or not can wreck a person in these institutions.
They/';re going to kick you out lol, and your going to be fucked, They dont need anything but your money, and if they dont want it becuase you are being a disturbance they can easily boot you right outta there
theres a documentary called indoctrinate-u which is all about these students who were kicked out/flunked for being christians and a teacher who was fired for being republican. if you dont conform, your screwed
I feel compelled 2 comment. I competed in collegiate debate for 4 consecutive years all around the U.S. & in 7 other countries. We don't conform. We weren't punished 4 it either. Thomas Paine was a debater. So was Malcolm X & Abe Lincoln. Have y'all seen Tim Wise debate? Noam Chomsky? There are clips on youtube. I'm currently teaching Latino kids how 2 debate their issues 4 the Nat'l Hispanic Institute. Its important 2 know real issues & debating them enhances understanding.
I encourage any and everyone to compete in college debate. Having a dialogue with a multitude of views makes you better understand your own and able to defend it... or see that it is flawed, shortsighted, or completely wrong. Of course we have cookie cutter debaters and jerks who aren't open to other views... that's why we need a greater variety of perspectives in the debate arena.
I was in college debate also. I am wondering if some of these alleged strikes against Christians and Republicans involved someone trying to superimpose their opinion over the subject matter as if, for instance, Creationism is scientifically as viable a "theory" as Evolution. Yes, if you give Biblical answers on a biology test, you will fail, just as you would fail a Bible as Literature class if you give answers from a Physics standpoint.
Corporations are not the problem (and neither capitalism). The Problem is when Corporations get in BED with our Government! Corporatism, not capitalism (which creates facism). America will continue to die and be BAD NEWS for Humanity unless everybody wakes up and does the only thing necessary to improve this country - Pick up where JFK left off and Abolish the Federal Reserve (Destroy Illuminati).
The power has always been with the people. The problem is when people sit back and become complacent, tired and deceived into thinking they don't have any power.
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I understand the filth and shady practices that go hand-in-hand in the corporate world. However, these practices come from people, not the system per se. Capitalism isn't intrinsically wrong, greedy acts are. I actually believe "less is more" when it comes to extra legislation. As scary as industrial power can be by itself, our society won't be better off if we add incompetent and unaffective government into the recipe.
Im not exactly a nobel prize winning economist or a ceo, but that isnt really a good explanation of what an externality is. An externality is a 3rd party byproduct of production or consumption, like pollution or a sickness related to a product. Roads and security arnt really byproducts of the production or consumption of a good.
You can trust the truth. The absolute truth that the corporation and society itself has gotten us off path as a civilization as to what our Universal reason is within this vast existence. Our purpose is larger than the corporation.
Externality is the impact of a transaction between two parties on an unaffiliated and unconsented third party. Basically that's what Milton Friedman and you are saying. You think you have a different definition, but it only differs on the wording of your definition, but the fundamental meaning still remains the same. Simple as that. Why do people have to make unnecessary confusions and convolutions in the definitions of terms so much?
In every corporation there was at some point some one who worked his ass off to get it to where it is today.
No One forces anyone to work anywhere in a democracy, if you don't think your being paid properly you can quit.
Don't be fooled Micheal Moore has hundreds of Millions of dollars why can't he start a shoe factory and employ the people of Flint? why can't it be him taking the risk with his money.
And on that fucking note, fuck the conservative idiot that started this comment, because he's technically a liberal too. You're all brainwashed douchebags whose geography determines your ideology, and you'd justify the starvation of an entire third world country if the people starving them put "good hard work" into it.
Your fetishization of markets is putrid. I say we organize a public dissection of corporate activity and watch it on TV like it was a baseball game. That'd be democracy!
I think the dumbass ignorant people like you who have childish simplistic conceptions about economic realities and only see the world through narrow-minded dichotomous perspectives such as liberal or conservative, should just sit back, turn on the TV and breed babies like you normally do. Unless you have something constructive or interesting to say, I suggest you insert your dick on a pipe instead and fuck it if that is only the extent that your intelligence can encompass :D
Oh and before you get any ideas, ME NO LEFTY COMMIE LIBERAL WHATEVA. I'm a libertarian and the reason why I'm interested in this subject and this documentary in general is because I'm concerned that the corporations have become so powerful and bloated to the point that people's liberties and rights are being gradually taken away and often with the consent of the government. The way it turns out is, extreme capitalism left unchecked becomes Soviet oligarchic 'communism'. Understand? Get my drift?
Well not really extreme capitalism, I meant capitalism in cahoots with the government is eerily similar to Soviet 'communism' or Nazi fascism. And what this documentary is focusing on is unbridled capitalism, corporations that only serve it's self-interest as a profit-seeking entity or monstrosity at the expense of social interests and moral concerns.
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the notion that a corporation can foresee and deal with every single externality on its own is ridiculous. this film has a certain degree of fantasy to it.
"the notion that a corporation can foresee and deal with every single externality on its own is ridiculous. this film has a certain degree of fantasy to it."
Oh yeah good point. But the thing is, that isn't what this documentary is suggesting, so the fantasy is yours.
this documentary is very eye opening. it's like a food chain of sorts, man is his own destroyer with technology, convienence, selfishness, as catalysts for his weapons of self/mass destruction. all are players in this game. we have weaved ourselves over time into a very tangly web.
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Funny you ask...I am a philosopher. And as you may know that profession doesn't pay well, so I live in the ghetto, often disgruntled, however raising my awareness.
It's a billion times easier to attack institutions and rich folk because if you look at the ghetto and notice that the people there basically suck and then say as much then you look like a big meanie. You look like a hero when you attack a giant company. It's like your David against Goliath. And you must be, like, smart 'n stuff.
OK. Now what have people in the ghetto have caused on such level to societal ills? True, they attempt to survive on much less than their fair share, and as a result cause more harm to each other than anyone else. If you're implying of welfare, corporations take more welfare than any other entity. What is your point?
I know...too complicated of a sentence. Here is the break down: what is it that people in the ghetto have done that has caused as much problem as the corporations? Since your premise is that people in the ghetto 'suck' as much or more than the corporations, and deserve to be picked on as much and/or even more so, I think you should clarify that premise to yourself and others who read your comments. I hope that clarifies.
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In upper middle class neighborhoods I don't encounter noise pollution, environmental pollution, violence, child neglect, violence, callousness, inability to empathize, blames others for its own faults, won't be reasoned with due to an inability to write, speak or think beyond the 2nd grade level...
Apparently you have not been in NYC or any other gentrified major city around this country recently. Environmental pollution does not abide by county borders as our artificial class divisions do. If you have found a 'middle-class' neighborhood where no air pollution reaches, that neighborhood may defy known laws of physics. Just curious, have you had a chance to reason with one of these ghetto citizens, what would be one topic on top of your list?
Environmental pollution means fast food trash left where ever the car happened to be parked at the time, out front or in some parking lot or where ever; diapers in the yard; car oil dumped in the back yard; and noise pollution. In my own life, I encounter this more from poor ppl than from corporations. I imagine if you live near a factory, it's different...
So, my point is that this documentary isn't wrong, but do you see any poor ppl being interviewed. History shows that progressive movements are confined to the middle/upper middle class. Those corporations aren't going away, because they have way too much support from the midde/lower middle/lower class which gobbles up anything those corps offer. whether products or ideas. ppl only complain if they personally lose the game, such as with Enron...
Aesthetic pollution is not environmental pollution. True, an eye sore, but the guy driving his Hummer from the outskirts of town to his office in downtown causes more environmental pollution than a 'poor' ghetto citizen disposing his fast food bag at a parking lot. History does show that change is usually brought about by the disgruntled and/or by the aware. The fat and happy usually don't lift a finger to help anyone else including themselves.
If in a sort of developed to developing world subsidy, if we were to somehow give the developing world western wages, or even close to that amount, there is going to be a huge increase in demand on a supply that will not be able to sustain itself for very long. massive inflation will be the result and the economy, along with the monetary value would collapse.
There's a world of difference between 1) being paid the same as people in the west, ie. the same dollar figure, the same currency and 2) being paid an equivalent in buying power in the local currency and 3) paying people a living wage so they can enjoy a decent, secure, healthy life. Let's at least start with 3).
Machbar, this is one of the single most brilliant pieces of documentary film making I've ever seen. While the conservative ire you've raised is the type that misspells their attacks, it is still a good sign. This and earlier work - very inspiring. Thank you for that.
If that's the most brilliant piece of documentary film you've seen. You haven't been watching many documentaries. This is filled with holes and mis-statements. It's poorly researched. It's libertarian ire that he's raised with me. Misleading people is as bad as facism.
That's nice but the only post you've made that even appears to offer anything that may qualify as support is loaded with jargon. Now, if you were familiar with the rules of debate and logic you'd know this. Further, if you were actually interested in debate you'd avoid it. That you chose not to is telling.
Boo hoo, corporations aren't giving away money to poor people. Why should they? Corporations work for profit, it's government's job to ensure that in the grand scheme of things it all works out well. And governments have many ways to control corporations.
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xfghkhjfsejid 2 months ago
das Kapital!
iiNDiTC 2 months ago
A Bank of America advertisement on this video??? Why are there even ads here?
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There is little mention of positive externalities here which are also important - a corporation can create jobs in a local economy, historically whole urban centres have developed around corporations (in Britain, this freed people from serfdom albeit bringing new problems). Also, a corporation may seek to externalize costs but a more sustainable, and ultimately more successful policy, would be to reduce costs as a whole (e.g. through efficient energy use).
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STEVELANGMISTER 6 months ago
the corporation IS a representation of the culture that runs it. Not just the rich, but everyone who demands to 'get money for nothing and chicks for free'
mard420 7 months ago
If I make a deal with a company to fire proof my house my neighbors don't pay for that benefit. They benefit cuz the fire will be contained in my house & not spread to theirs. Moreover, they don't pay me for that benefit. You do know governments cause neg third party effects too. Or are you voluntarily blind to this?
tatsumakisempyukaku 8 months ago
LOL. You guys are very biased aren't you. Externalities or 3rd party effects, can be negative or positive costs or benefits respectively, that are not reflected in the price system.
tatsumakisempyukaku 8 months ago
Sharks are not mere "killing machines". Very bad example....
superfatamusic 8 months ago
"Short term profit, externality come off it -
Why would you not be liable, your guilt is undeniable -
Just take responsibility, don’t doubt the feasibility -
You’ve got the capability, to do-it, yeah! " --> The Corporation was the inspiration to this song: "No More" on youtube: watch?v=8W_sR-fbKo0 (recorded by making use of only solar power!)
TurtugaBlanku 8 months ago
The biggest irony of this video is to have Sony Ads that keep popping up
vikingodc 11 months ago
I would love to give you even $1 but after this world wide private bank rip off I haven't got a spare dime even...... sorry but I have tweeted you !!! excellent concept and truthfulness....
ukipodder 11 months ago
"and to externalize any cost that this unwory or uncaring public will allow it to externalize"
obviously then they manipulate the public.
revolutionathand 1 year ago
hi, i'm the deusch bag who made this trap of lies, I used several corporations and the goods of hundreds to do it. I got many speakers like Michael Moore who own and are invested in corporations to talk bad about them and how evil they are because the investors did so to make money. Ps many people invested time to make this film please send us lots of money. LMAO what a crock
stoltzmans 1 year ago
It's not corporations that harm our freedom. It's Government mixed with corporations that harm our freedom. Only through Government can a business become a monopoly. We need a total separation of State and economics.
yinzjagoffs 1 year ago
@yinzjagoffs Are you a objectvist by any chance?
nero8289 11 months ago
@nero8289 No, just a student of Objectivism.
yinzjagoffs 11 months ago
This is a disgusting world and you know it. All there is to be said.
geofftek 1 year ago
I like this video. Thank you for your sharing. Hope to see next your video.
many9662 1 year ago
How to correct a democracy once it has gotten out of control: watch?v=BBezaI0bnAQ&
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
The video makes it sound as if Milton Friedman would agree with the points of view advanced by the other speakers, it is grotesque!
FightBadIdeas 1 year ago
Externalities are definitely a market failure but why does it make any sense to replace a market failure with a government failure? Also this man's (not Friedman because he is right about basically everything) description of an externality makes no sense. An externality is something that the price mechanism can not cover and effects a third party against his will. Lol this documentary has NO substance whatsoever, just bad shark analogies.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi Read your Keynes. Noone is right about -everything-.
adamstokke 1 year ago
I watched "The Corporation" on LinkTV the other night. As a business major, and an employee of a "Corporation" for 31 years I found it really interesting. A Corporation should NOT be classified as a human being, yet Corporations do have certain rights that aren't covered by current law. Like it or not corporations control huge swaths of our everyday lives but WE as citizens have a right to restrain some of their power. Grassroots vs. MONEY... It's gonna be tough but we've got to try!
randy95023 1 year ago
FUCK CAPITAL/PROFIT-ISM
POWER T OTHE PEOPLE, FULL-DEMOCRACY EXTREME-DEMOCRACY(Rosa Luxemborg) fucking corporate fascists...
MagnitudePerson 1 year ago
@MagnitudePerson Nope lets just restore the Republic and get on with it.
lebiew 1 year ago
@MagnitudePerson -so your philosophy would dictate the future of 49 people based on what 51 people deem fit. mmmmmm seems a tad bit unbalanced. "to the republic for which it stands"
humanity6fl9 1 year ago
@MagnitudePerson lol lol lol, i didnt know idiots like you still existed.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
listen carefully to the last thing he says in this segment... "and to allow any cost that this unwary or uncaring public will allow it to externalize."
That is a load of BS. The public is NOT UN-caring. They are UN-INFORMED, and it is done ON PURPOSE for the intention of all sorts of money & power agendas. It seems to me that the root of the problem is clearly the scam interpretation of the 14th amendment by the supreme courts, because the truth is... these corporations are NOT persons. JMHO.
mydogjesus 1 year ago
That's not an accurate representation of Milton Friedman's views. Why would you misrepresent somebody's views if you have an honest and true message?
Dusto1985 1 year ago
Resist the NWO agenda, grow a herb/veg garden
deagla2 1 year ago
The metaphors are so manipulative... telephones? Sharks? that's too much
ianwhitt91 1 year ago
While in office, the politicians that are crooked, mismanage public funds and when there is no money to take care of ....lets say the roads, they sell off that right ...the public road system to a corporation ...who will now find a way to charge everyone for using it's roads.... except that all along , the public paid gas taxes to maintain those roads, but that money was used for...oh, I dont know... wars, and what ever else makes another corporation a shit load of money...
nightkraawler 1 year ago
the explanation makes sense only if you assume that politicians are not greedy, money hungry, powerhungry individuals in the process of relinquishing responsibility of the gov. to a corporation in return for big payoffs, and good positions in that corporation after their term in office... greed greed greed...
nightkraawler 1 year ago
I dont think it helps either that politics is all about fund raising from lobbyists.
WeAreFuckingRetarded 1 year ago
@WeAreFuckingRetarded This is exactly why we need a Constitutional Amendment to abolish "Corporate Personhood" and ban corporations from politics. Then the only way for politicians to raise money will by the support of The People who they serve.
wbaltzley 1 year ago
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Corporations have a mandate to minimize costs--and one way to do this is to make someone else pay for it. The only thing to prevent this is the LAW. However, thanks to the Supreme Court, corporations can use campaign donations and lobbyists to buy whatever legislation they want.
We need a Constitutional Amendment to abolish "Corporate Personhood" and ban corporations from politics!
wbaltzley 1 year ago
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wbaltzley 1 year ago
And most importantly: A more responsible economy and also more responsible and thoughtful customers.
Sadly, in todays time, we seem to define freedom, only as the freedom to buy as many products we want and to travel everywhere we want. If everyone would realize, that overboard consumption, will inevitably destroy the economy in the long run, i guess we would be able to change our way we do economy.
Zeitgeist28 1 year ago 5
@Zeitgeist28 sure thing guy everyone just comes along decides to make better decisions and afterwards we'll hold hands and sing koom-buy-ya . . . the answer is not hoping that everyone on earth suddenly becomes a good person, we need to make it profitable not to create externalities through regulation.
bobscoodles 1 year ago
That ''someone else'' is usually another corporation.
OldManNick 2 years ago
No..That someone else is usually the public and the planet and in the long term, the corporations themselves.
If there's only a limited amount of Ressource A to produce product B, generally speaking, the scarceness of Resource A, determines Marketprice for B, so that some kind of optimal allocation can take place. Problem is: Earths resources are finite, yet corporations produce products, without taking that limit into account. This leads to market failure.
Zeitgeist28 1 year ago 2
To make it simple. If there's only one gallon of oil left on earth, this gallon will cost trillions.
So. If free market are to allocate resources optimally, their scarceness has to be taken into account. Not only demand. If there's no iron left, no cars. Therefore, everyone loses. In reality, all products we consume daily, are WAY too low priced. They would have to cost much more in reality, to account for external costs and to create a sustainable economy.
Zeitgeist28 1 year ago
Neo classical ideology, that propagades, that if everyone looks out for himself and tries to optimize his own benefit, it will lead to prosperity for all, is completely wrong. The individual doesn't take into account, that his actions, further the decline of economy if externalities aren't accounted for by an outside party.
It's really simple math. Our eco system has PHYSICAL limits. If finite resources are gone, they're gone and won't come back. That's why need a more ecological economy!
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junkyassmonkey 2 years ago
Uniform Commercial COde 1-207 and UCC 1-306, reserve your rights or through waiver you lose them. If you don't assert your rights then you are liable to laws because of waiver...you're a zombie that has to be managed ...so you plead or beg instead.
attilaclark 2 years ago
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pthompson2010 2 years ago
Love the movie but I think it's cut up a bit much ( have to keep clicking next video after like 3 minutes.)
45erwx7 2 years ago 40
@45erwx7 Why don't you buy the DVD, then? Deuche-monkey.
Rocketboy5 1 year ago
@45erwx7 It's the 'shareware' version in that you're not paying for it. You can purchase the movie for a few bucks, but by the same logic, you wouldn't be here watching this if you did.
YaoiVixenBoi 1 year ago
@45erwx7 -watch it all the way through on google video
humanity6fl9 1 year ago
@45erwx7 There is a link to a playlist in the description of every video.
DynamicUnreality 1 year ago
@45erwx7 That's just because this is YouTube lol. I think it made more sense to upload each scene of the documentary as a separate video so it would be more organized than if the video stopped in the middle of someone talking. The videos of this on YouTube is like the scene selection menu of a DVD movie.
derekxnl 1 year ago
@45erwx7 because u paying now for one of the corporation branch.... "Youtube' lol
Atiiy 1 year ago
Realize this the argument is the criminal unconstitutional act of creating the legal person. I can bet my top dollar none of you know what the difference of the terms "State of Ohio" & "Ohio state" or why you need to pay a corporate body to get a license to drive when in the constitution conveyance is an inalienable right. This documentary just scratched the surface. Buy a law dictionary & the U.S Republic Constitution and see why u became a corporation the moment your mother/informant had you.
Avabz 2 years ago
birth certificates being issued with SSN matching a name in all capital letters is proper description for property.
Licensing: each state retains ownership by way of holding all, date of origin certificates, from the manufacture.
"State of Ohio" signifies no sovereignty, being just a part of a whole, while Ohio state could establish grounds for succession if desired.
the saying is 'bottom' dollar, not top. let me know if my answers are close please, your knowledge is outstanding Avabz
Simirial 2 years ago
"State of" is opinion or fiction it has not cognate to science of law or self. e.g Kofi is in a state of psychosis, now that is an opinion or deduction, so to qualify the statement, the reality must be scientifically determined using facts. Then we can say kofi is in a psychotic state or otherwise. Whenever you hear "state of" before the object e.g Ohio that is a fictional jurisdiction and the only way it exists is in our minds because we agree with the legal terms not lawful terms.
Avabz 2 years ago
Also "state of" refers to something non-permanent and changeable unlike your guaranteed inalienable rights to conveyance. To not move is to die. So a fictional jurisdiction cannot have power over you unless you become a corporate entity i.e an individual with your name in all caps, individual with a colour instead of status, an individual with a slave name, with a birth/ marriage certificate there are so many traps to put and individual in artificial jurisdiction under the colour of law&arms.
Avabz 2 years ago
Awesome knowledge Avabz, thank you
Simirial 2 years ago
Yes, that's right, but most of these ridiculous set up law definitions, come from the British system that this country and its' law are still under. This is why lawyers take a B.A.R exam, in court settings, this means "British Accredited Registry" exam. Why NOT an American Accredited Registry exam ? Well, because there is NO independent American system, this U.S. corporation has ALWAYS been just a mere British colony, every president in history has been pimped by the royalty of England.
EducatedRebellion101 2 years ago 20
I agree but check this out, if you study law in Britain you cannot practice it in the U.S corporation jurisdiction, why? Cos you will have to be tought the truth about the corporation and you also will have to become a member of a group of knights or masons while swearing allegiance a oath of secrecy. The U.S corporation is an illegal occupying colony of Rome actually, Britain is a roman colony which is why all monarchs bow to the pope. All European rulers are related by blood or masonic oath.
Avabz 2 years ago 2
Oh yeah, "all roads lead to Rome" is the old slogan for this type of truth. I totally agree.
EducatedRebellion101 2 years ago
"Britain is a roman colony which is why all monarchs bow to the pope"
Britain did indeed bow to the pope until the 16th century when Henry VIII split from it and formed the Church of England. Ever since then British monarchy have been either protestant or under the the Church of England. There's been no direct links between the Vatican and the monarchy for a very long time.
Quizcos 2 years ago 2
@Quizcos Thank you. I'm so sick of these morons who claim the Vatican is the grand architect of all the world's evil. They are woefully ignorant of history. The control grid we are under has been under construction for much too long to be blamed entirely on the Vatican. The Holy See is but one strand in the entrapping web.
eiwaz 2 years ago
@eiwaz first of all saying I am a moron has to be qualified though I do not take offence. If you think all monarchs in Uk are free of rome cos they have a different style of church shows your ignorance on this matter. The magna carta came b4 the society of jesus in 1540. Do your homework, stop taking other peoples opinions, if you look in any decent encyclopedia or oxford dictionary for the meaning of a Jesuit or the history of Ignatius Loyola you will see that all roads will still lead to rome
Avabz 1 year ago
@Avabz Idiot! The concept and practice of establishing an all encompassing control grid seriously predate everything you just babbled. Good luck with your free man on the land bullshit. You can't (ultimately) win against that system by trying to use it in your favor. Law means whatever the gov't. says it does. The system will not bend to your will because you think you've discovered a technicality you can exploit.
eiwaz 1 year ago
@eiwaz why do you engage an Idiot??? cos you are 1 too. You are too weak to be free doesn't mean I have to join you. You look outside yourself for governance thats why you have to use ignorance to try to disqualify me but as ignorance is like belief u are stuck. I am not here for you...which is what you wish. Those who have what it takes know what to do. For it is not good to shine too much light on weak eyes. Stay asleep and enjoy your gradual inductrination.
Avabz 1 year ago
@Avabz Thank you for proving me right!
eiwaz 1 year ago
check out the treaty of 1213 between the King of England and the Pope...the read about the Magna Carta signed just 2 years later.
cyberboy89 2 years ago
There are just no visible direct links to rome, does not mean they do not exist. Take a little time and read the book the "Empire of the city"
Check the true meaning of the word british(man of the covenant) british and english are very different things. Do some homework.
The vatican is just like the pentagon only it sits on a hexagonal lattice. ^ theatres of world view and control, especially maritime admiralty.
Do not buy the spin, just try to open ur eyes and see a bit more.
Avabz 2 years ago
There are directly visible links to Rome's existence, along with text, sculpture, artifact, etc.
IFloridaMotocrossI 1 year ago
@EducatedRebellion101 I totally agree with you, except for the fact that it's not being the Vritish Royal Family "pimping out" your presidents, it's been our recent string of prime ministers who've shared Brokeback Mountain-esque relationships with your presidents (no offence intended).
DaveandSlloydowen 1 year ago
@EducatedRebellion101
And england has been owned by bankers since napoleon, so basicly america is owned by bankers
Lollitard 11 months ago
@EducatedRebellion101 oh piss off with your stupid conspiracy, bar is spelt bar, not B.A.R, it comes from the medeiveal bars in law courts, ever heard of bar association? stupid idiot home. hiwaay. net/~becraft/BAR. html without spaces go on this link
zzzzJAGJEETzzzz 10 months ago
@EducatedRebellion101 This point of view is incredibly interesting to me as a Brit. In Britain there are those that think similar things in reverse, that we in the UK are the 51st State. I said I am a Brit, but I have no loyalty to any country. I'd be very interested to see your evidence, as it's a cool idea.
chazmeistro 8 months ago
@EducatedRebellion101 Thank you so much for the important info on the meaning of B.A.R exam I never knew. I also have learned we own no property there is tax attached to each parcel of land in the United States debt owed to The King of Engalnd .
imtweetydiva29 6 months ago
@EducatedRebellion101 What nonsense :) "bar" is just a word that also ment the railing that divided the court between the front and the back. The whole acronym-theory is just some fantasy of those typical American paranoiacs. Really, get a look in some real dictionary!
vortexsurferrosa 2 months ago
@EducatedRebellion101
U are totally wrong. Bar does not stand for british accredited registry. You just made this up. Another liberal piece of nonsense. It does not exist. British Accredited Registry? LMAO.
It got 19 thumbs up. LOL, what liberal moon bats that have no idea of reality. Good job morons, obama probably get elected again because of you bums. Gimme this, gimme that, fuck you!
OffTheGlass87 2 months ago
@EducatedRebellion101 "every president in history has been pimped by the royalty of England." BULLSHIT, ABSOLUTE BULSSHIT!
qwertypluss 2 months ago
And anyone can go live in the woods with a tent. but nobody wants to give up things like indoor plumbing, toilet paper, refrigeration, Air Conditioning and heat, modern medicine, something but candlelights and books. We have evolved out of a short brutish existence and the reason is invention and mass production.
BaronVonLichtenstein 2 years ago
It probably takes 100 corporations to bring you a computer or TV. You have mining companies, people to smelt copper, chemists to make plastics, others for molding, glass manufacturers, companies to make nuts and bolts, silicon, manufacture chips with billions of connections in a small space, tons of research into physics, internet protocols, computer languages, to assemble drives, cables, etc, etc. It's not like buying a desk. You're buying a trilion in research, 1000 workers touching the parts.
BaronVonLichtenstein 2 years ago
End corporate personhood.
concordat 2 years ago
Corporations do more good than harm. They supply all our products, provide tens of millions of jobs, rarely making more than 10% profit, which is why Circuit City, Best Buy and General Motors are on the ropes. If they take in 10 billion they are lucky if they clear 1 billion. They can't give things away at a loss like the government, who has a 50 trillion medicaid medicare obligation that will bankrupt us all. If you dont like their products, buy their competitors or not at all.
BaronVonLichtenstein 2 years ago
More good than harm? Why that's quite the vast generalization. Why are you defending them anyway?
concordat 2 years ago
Anyone that thinks all corporations or profit is evil is free to live in a tent and crap in the woods. Personally, I like my air conditioned apartment and all the things inside like my computer, television, stereo, books, DVDs, etc. There is a difference between pointing out problems and claiming the entire system is the problem. Most of the things that exist are a result of a profit motive. Virtually all of the jobs.
BaronVonLichtenstein 2 years ago
Oh yes there are benefits, but only the few are reaping them. I see you happen to live a life of privilege, so I guess that's why you feel that way, since you're one of the lucky few.
concordat 2 years ago
Really? The few are reaping the benefits of computers, and the hundreds of companies it takes to make them? How about books? The materials for indoor plumbing? Mass production drops prices. Initially the things that inspired Ford, Gates and Jobs were product everyone could use, not just the rich. Nearly everything you have and use is doue to mass production.
BaronVonLichtenstein 2 years ago
You seem to be missing my point here. I'm not talking about Americans, I'm talking about everyone in the world.
concordat 2 years ago
Recent psychological studies show that people from 19th century could've had a level of happiness quite similar to ours. The point is made: no cars, microwaves, cellphones, computers, Internet, etc., etc. Creating needs that only corporations can satisfied doesn't prove anything in their favor. The harm is quite worse: exploitation, pollution, corruption, modern slavery. I'm writing this from a PC using Internet, but living in a world without'em would make us miserables, less humans?
TheKafkianProcess 2 years ago
Google (youtube) is a corporation. Microsoft and Apple, either of whom supply the software you are using right now are corporations. Dell, HP, Toshiba, are corporations, supplying the computer you are using, are corps.
These corporations ultimately are seeking out not to help you, but to acheive a profit. It just so happens that by helping you via a voluntary transaction, they are able to make a profit.
You're a blind, newage idiot if you would really rather do without these companies.
ijust1 2 years ago
I would much rather they not be corporations. I would also much rather that corporations not be considered legal persons.
Have you even watched this entire documentary?
concordat 2 years ago 2
Of course I have. It's horribly pieced together. They exaggerate the extent to which laws treat a corporation like a human. And like I mentioned in my first comment, they quote professional economists out of context.
All a corporation is, is a company owned by stockowners. And a public corporation is a corporation that you can own a piece of tomorrow if you wanted to.
Public corporations are owned in large part by the public. Their objective is to generate wealth for its owners.
ijust1 2 years ago
Right. Look at American invension compared to Soviet. The profit motive gave us cheap mass produced things in every shape size and color. There are 10,000 people complaining about America for every one that leaves. No one ever snuck into East Germany for a better life.
BaronVonLichtenstein 2 years ago
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BaronVonLichtenstein 2 years ago
Anyone getting sick of ads popping up while trying to watch a video?
camreeno360 2 years ago
yuop!! and I love how some of them are for corporations!! got a black berry and sony!! just had to laugh!
GnRrocker 2 years ago
Yeah I saw the irony in that too lol.
camreeno360 2 years ago
Way to quote Milton Friedman way out of context.
1 Star.
ijust1 2 years ago
You are 1 staring a documentary recommended by university economics classes, I just want you to know this.
concordat 2 years ago
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BaronVonLichtenstein 2 years ago
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BaronVonLichtenstein 2 years ago
but as the saying goes "all humans inherently evil"
dnbjarhead 2 years ago
You sound like a very well-educated idiot yourself. It takes a real good education to be so doctrinated. Of course,they are evil by nature.What planet do you live in?The moment someone says I'm gonna be richer and much better off from the rest of the people,that is the start of pure evil.The rest is really easy.
warbuff1 2 years ago
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BaronVonLichtenstein 2 years ago
No,that 99% CHOSE to sell their soul to Enron,secondly did you ever talk to any of that 99%?How do you know all of them agree with your opinion?maybe some after what happened realized what this is all about.This is all about world domination by the owners and the shareholders of corporations and the race between hundreds of corporations to position themselves.Don't even put michael moore and sony,nbc in the same sentence.A transnational corporation is every bit different than your corner deli.
warbuff1 2 years ago
fuck fascists like friedman. may adam smith and karl marx finally inherit the earth
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GoddardRaines 2 years ago
Milton Friedman is Satan on Earth
1981chrismartin 2 years ago 3
why have people thumbs downed this? It's true
Jadabh2 2 years ago
Because they are all sons of Satan, either that or they are retarded
1981chrismartin 2 years ago
they just haters man.... or don't understand what laisze fair economics leads to.... FASCISM
Jadabh2 2 years ago 3
Make that was Satan on Earth.
stuffupthecracks 2 years ago
@1981chrismartin
How can you criticize a researcher for contributing to the economic debate?
If he was genuinely wrong, then his theories would have been completely ignored and he would have won a freaking nobel price.
Vodd9 1 year ago
if a man has enough confidence in his ability, he will make the changes necisarry
AdamDLDixon 2 years ago
Debating on youtube is for noobs go to your local university and debate there ^^
AdamDLDixon 2 years ago
ha ha wrong answer,-universties are
created to MAINTAIN the status quo, not challenge it. you learn to play the game their, and unpopular opinions provable or not can wreck a person in these institutions.
toolguts 2 years ago
universitys have a long history of punishing those that dont conform
anarchy0productions 2 years ago
then what are they gona do when I go to university? that's bullshit that they do its like we're programmed or something!
cottonball101 2 years ago
They/';re going to kick you out lol, and your going to be fucked, They dont need anything but your money, and if they dont want it becuase you are being a disturbance they can easily boot you right outta there
tagguh 2 years ago
theres a documentary called indoctrinate-u which is all about these students who were kicked out/flunked for being christians and a teacher who was fired for being republican. if you dont conform, your screwed
anarchy0productions 2 years ago
I feel compelled 2 comment. I competed in collegiate debate for 4 consecutive years all around the U.S. & in 7 other countries. We don't conform. We weren't punished 4 it either. Thomas Paine was a debater. So was Malcolm X & Abe Lincoln. Have y'all seen Tim Wise debate? Noam Chomsky? There are clips on youtube. I'm currently teaching Latino kids how 2 debate their issues 4 the Nat'l Hispanic Institute. Its important 2 know real issues & debating them enhances understanding.
angelbeta 2 years ago
I encourage any and everyone to compete in college debate. Having a dialogue with a multitude of views makes you better understand your own and able to defend it... or see that it is flawed, shortsighted, or completely wrong. Of course we have cookie cutter debaters and jerks who aren't open to other views... that's why we need a greater variety of perspectives in the debate arena.
angelbeta 2 years ago
I was in college debate also. I am wondering if some of these alleged strikes against Christians and Republicans involved someone trying to superimpose their opinion over the subject matter as if, for instance, Creationism is scientifically as viable a "theory" as Evolution. Yes, if you give Biblical answers on a biology test, you will fail, just as you would fail a Bible as Literature class if you give answers from a Physics standpoint.
hollywoodartchick 2 years ago
Good point, hollywoodartchick.
angelbeta 2 years ago
kicked out for being a christian and fired for being a republican? i just cant believe that!
circlestream 2 years ago
Corporations are not the problem (and neither capitalism). The Problem is when Corporations get in BED with our Government! Corporatism, not capitalism (which creates facism). America will continue to die and be BAD NEWS for Humanity unless everybody wakes up and does the only thing necessary to improve this country - Pick up where JFK left off and Abolish the Federal Reserve (Destroy Illuminati).
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MopDMTBARTL 3 years ago
Power to the people, its gotta be taken back!
sweetmohawklady 3 years ago 13
The power has always been with the people. The problem is when people sit back and become complacent, tired and deceived into thinking they don't have any power.
JCMac777 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
I understand the filth and shady practices that go hand-in-hand in the corporate world. However, these practices come from people, not the system per se. Capitalism isn't intrinsically wrong, greedy acts are. I actually believe "less is more" when it comes to extra legislation. As scary as industrial power can be by itself, our society won't be better off if we add incompetent and unaffective government into the recipe.
SAINThoodSEEKER 3 years ago
Did you watch 3/23?
jbrentoniv 3 years ago
capitalism is intrinsically based on greed. just think about it.
lovekisslaugh 3 years ago 2
Im not exactly a nobel prize winning economist or a ceo, but that isnt really a good explanation of what an externality is. An externality is a 3rd party byproduct of production or consumption, like pollution or a sickness related to a product. Roads and security arnt really byproducts of the production or consumption of a good.
Still a fantastic documentary though!
Balian49 3 years ago
If you can't trust the CEO of a billion dollar company, or a nobel prize winning economist for a definition of an externality, who CAN you trust?
machbar 3 years ago
You can trust the truth. The absolute truth that the corporation and society itself has gotten us off path as a civilization as to what our Universal reason is within this vast existence. Our purpose is larger than the corporation.
8bloc 3 years ago 3
@machbar trust?god I hope that was sarcasm, look who won the last nobel prize ......
trickiilee 1 year ago
uuuhh... that's exactly what they said.
libertarianPinoy 3 years ago
Externality is the impact of a transaction between two parties on an unaffiliated and unconsented third party. Basically that's what Milton Friedman and you are saying. You think you have a different definition, but it only differs on the wording of your definition, but the fundamental meaning still remains the same. Simple as that. Why do people have to make unnecessary confusions and convolutions in the definitions of terms so much?
JCMac777 3 years ago
Stupid Liberals
jaguarjaws999 3 years ago
dumbass cons
GobalHoldingsLLC 3 years ago
Why do you have something against being liberal? Do you even know what the definition of the word is?
Solechnaya 3 years ago
In every corporation there was at some point some one who worked his ass off to get it to where it is today.
No One forces anyone to work anywhere in a democracy, if you don't think your being paid properly you can quit.
Don't be fooled Micheal Moore has hundreds of Millions of dollars why can't he start a shoe factory and employ the people of Flint? why can't it be him taking the risk with his money.
mrjerkoffthe3rd 3 years ago
I know.
He may not be as kind as people think he is. He may be hoarding all that money for his own selfish desires.
Solechnaya 3 years ago
it's nothing about being liberal or conservative, silly.
KazuhiroAridian 3 years ago
Liberals and conservatives can all go fuck off.
Leftists, on the other hand, will continue to be relevant.
spinozareagan 3 years ago
And on that fucking note, fuck the conservative idiot that started this comment, because he's technically a liberal too. You're all brainwashed douchebags whose geography determines your ideology, and you'd justify the starvation of an entire third world country if the people starving them put "good hard work" into it.
Your fetishization of markets is putrid. I say we organize a public dissection of corporate activity and watch it on TV like it was a baseball game. That'd be democracy!
spinozareagan 3 years ago
"Stupid Liberals"
I think the dumbass ignorant people like you who have childish simplistic conceptions about economic realities and only see the world through narrow-minded dichotomous perspectives such as liberal or conservative, should just sit back, turn on the TV and breed babies like you normally do. Unless you have something constructive or interesting to say, I suggest you insert your dick on a pipe instead and fuck it if that is only the extent that your intelligence can encompass :D
JCMac777 3 years ago
Oh and before you get any ideas, ME NO LEFTY COMMIE LIBERAL WHATEVA. I'm a libertarian and the reason why I'm interested in this subject and this documentary in general is because I'm concerned that the corporations have become so powerful and bloated to the point that people's liberties and rights are being gradually taken away and often with the consent of the government. The way it turns out is, extreme capitalism left unchecked becomes Soviet oligarchic 'communism'. Understand? Get my drift?
JCMac777 3 years ago
Well not really extreme capitalism, I meant capitalism in cahoots with the government is eerily similar to Soviet 'communism' or Nazi fascism. And what this documentary is focusing on is unbridled capitalism, corporations that only serve it's self-interest as a profit-seeking entity or monstrosity at the expense of social interests and moral concerns.
JCMac777 3 years ago
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the notion that a corporation can foresee and deal with every single externality on its own is ridiculous. this film has a certain degree of fantasy to it.
sweetcherrialicia 3 years ago
"the notion that a corporation can foresee and deal with every single externality on its own is ridiculous. this film has a certain degree of fantasy to it."
Oh yeah good point. But the thing is, that isn't what this documentary is suggesting, so the fantasy is yours.
JCMac777 3 years ago
this documentary is very eye opening. it's like a food chain of sorts, man is his own destroyer with technology, convienence, selfishness, as catalysts for his weapons of self/mass destruction. all are players in this game. we have weaved ourselves over time into a very tangly web.
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musttellyouthis 4 years ago
Funny you ask...I am a philosopher. And as you may know that profession doesn't pay well, so I live in the ghetto, often disgruntled, however raising my awareness.
peelinglayers 4 years ago 3
It's a billion times easier to attack institutions and rich folk because if you look at the ghetto and notice that the people there basically suck and then say as much then you look like a big meanie. You look like a hero when you attack a giant company. It's like your David against Goliath. And you must be, like, smart 'n stuff.
prayfertrey 4 years ago 2
OK. Now what have people in the ghetto have caused on such level to societal ills? True, they attempt to survive on much less than their fair share, and as a result cause more harm to each other than anyone else. If you're implying of welfare, corporations take more welfare than any other entity. What is your point?
peelinglayers 4 years ago
"Now what have people in the ghetto have caused on such level to societal ills?"
What?
prayfertrey 4 years ago
I know...too complicated of a sentence. Here is the break down: what is it that people in the ghetto have done that has caused as much problem as the corporations? Since your premise is that people in the ghetto 'suck' as much or more than the corporations, and deserve to be picked on as much and/or even more so, I think you should clarify that premise to yourself and others who read your comments. I hope that clarifies.
peelinglayers 4 years ago 2
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In upper middle class neighborhoods I don't encounter noise pollution, environmental pollution, violence, child neglect, violence, callousness, inability to empathize, blames others for its own faults, won't be reasoned with due to an inability to write, speak or think beyond the 2nd grade level...
prayfertrey 4 years ago
Apparently you have not been in NYC or any other gentrified major city around this country recently. Environmental pollution does not abide by county borders as our artificial class divisions do. If you have found a 'middle-class' neighborhood where no air pollution reaches, that neighborhood may defy known laws of physics. Just curious, have you had a chance to reason with one of these ghetto citizens, what would be one topic on top of your list?
peelinglayers 4 years ago 3
Environmental pollution means fast food trash left where ever the car happened to be parked at the time, out front or in some parking lot or where ever; diapers in the yard; car oil dumped in the back yard; and noise pollution. In my own life, I encounter this more from poor ppl than from corporations. I imagine if you live near a factory, it's different...
prayfertrey 4 years ago
So, my point is that this documentary isn't wrong, but do you see any poor ppl being interviewed. History shows that progressive movements are confined to the middle/upper middle class. Those corporations aren't going away, because they have way too much support from the midde/lower middle/lower class which gobbles up anything those corps offer. whether products or ideas. ppl only complain if they personally lose the game, such as with Enron...
prayfertrey 4 years ago
Aesthetic pollution is not environmental pollution. True, an eye sore, but the guy driving his Hummer from the outskirts of town to his office in downtown causes more environmental pollution than a 'poor' ghetto citizen disposing his fast food bag at a parking lot. History does show that change is usually brought about by the disgruntled and/or by the aware. The fat and happy usually don't lift a finger to help anyone else including themselves.
peelinglayers 4 years ago 7
That's well said and a great point. I was wondering if you wouldn't mind telling me what you do for a living. Thanks.
prayfertrey 4 years ago
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Corporations, like Frankenstein, the Tin Man and robots, are based on the GOLEM of the kabbalah: a body without a soul.
neothomist1275 4 years ago
If in a sort of developed to developing world subsidy, if we were to somehow give the developing world western wages, or even close to that amount, there is going to be a huge increase in demand on a supply that will not be able to sustain itself for very long. massive inflation will be the result and the economy, along with the monetary value would collapse.
now what is the alternative?
demsoducati 4 years ago
There's a world of difference between 1) being paid the same as people in the west, ie. the same dollar figure, the same currency and 2) being paid an equivalent in buying power in the local currency and 3) paying people a living wage so they can enjoy a decent, secure, healthy life. Let's at least start with 3).
machbar 4 years ago
Machbar, this is one of the single most brilliant pieces of documentary film making I've ever seen. While the conservative ire you've raised is the type that misspells their attacks, it is still a good sign. This and earlier work - very inspiring. Thank you for that.
JoeNietzsche 4 years ago
If that's the most brilliant piece of documentary film you've seen. You haven't been watching many documentaries. This is filled with holes and mis-statements. It's poorly researched. It's libertarian ire that he's raised with me. Misleading people is as bad as facism.
aurzada 4 years ago
... And that is precisely what you're doing, right now.
Either substantiate your claims or push off.
JoeNietzsche 4 years ago
I did. See above. Glad you liked the school project though.
aurzada 4 years ago
That's nice but the only post you've made that even appears to offer anything that may qualify as support is loaded with jargon. Now, if you were familiar with the rules of debate and logic you'd know this. Further, if you were actually interested in debate you'd avoid it. That you chose not to is telling.
JoeNietzsche 4 years ago
we're watching this film in school right now. very well done!