I agree with the previous comments: there will never be another Band like Stan Kenton's. I'm particularly interested (I've played it over and over) in the trumpet solo. The sax solo was wonderful also but the trumpet solo really was something special.
I've got a copy of the chart itself (the original manuscript). This chart absolutely ROCKS. It's also hard as hell to play - you have to be INCREDIBLY solid in your time to negotiate the time changes from 5/4 to 7/4 to 8/4 later in the piece.
If you have the sheet music, the bass player plays his lick over and over at the same tempo against the cued brass - which is what makes the beginning of this chart so hard to figure out if you've never played it.
This was made just a month or two before I first saw the Kenton Band at a clinic at the University of South Carolina. I was an aspiring trombonist at the time. I remember all the trombonists by name. Sorry to read below that Dick, Mike J, and Fred have passed on. History proved that my true calling was choral music but at times like these I do take some nostalgic looks back at Kenton.
The Bass player is John Worster, had been with Kenton for many years. The BBC wiped the tapes many years ago, there are vhs tapes floating about !! i'am lucky to have a copy.
This is fabulous...this man and his orchestra was the best music in it's day...there is nothing like it now and never will be again...which is sad since so many of us loved it then and would love to here it again today....perhaps we can get some musicians who care about that sound to put something together today....Disney has a great music dept. and maybe we could all send them ideas about putting this sound together again....
Such good memories :-) I was fortunate enough to see Kenton and his Orchestra in the late 70's and got him to autograph one of his LPs I took with me after the concert.
The trumpet soloist looks a lot like Jay Sollenberger, but he isn't listed under personnel above. In passing: a decade before, Wilie Maiden was with Maynard Ferguson, whom Dennis Noday joined after this. Small world!
Tpt solo is Ray Brown, who was on the US Army Ambassadors prior to this. When he was discharged from the service, Jay Saunders got him on this band. He has taught jazz at Cabrillo College in California since 1975.
I was playing in the USD jazz band in 1972 when Kenton & Co. came and spent a couple of days with us doing clinics and a concert. I remember talking with and being encouraged by these guys. Of course, later that year we had to try our hand at Chiapas and I remember it being the highlight of our spring concert. Thanks for posting!
Willie Maiden, Quinn Davis, Dick Shearer, Mike Jamison, Fred Carter, Ramon Lopez have passed on. Mike Vax, Dennis Noday, Richard Torrez still alive and active. Ray Brown teaches at Cabrillo College in Calif. John Von Ohlen still alive and well in Cincinnati. Phil Herring lives in Seattle area. Mike Wallace I believe still lives in Texas. Joe Marcienkowitz in SoCal and has a line of brass mouthpieces
Dick Shearer's tone cuts like none other. But that's not a bad thing. I, personally, am a fan of it. Even in the full band sound you can pick his tone out.
Our high school band is playing this tune, and I love it.
Thanks for posting these Stan Kenton tunes. What a brass section.... And thanks to Stan who in the waning years of his life travelled the world working with high school and college bands to keep jazz alive. The man cared about the music. HIs body was aching and he I'm sure tired of answering the same high school kid's questions over and over, but he patiently answered everyone and treated all with respect. What memories in these recordings. Thanks again. You are helping to keep Stan alive.
What are you all talking about!? The 5/8 section works for me in a big way! Love the way it takes off and builds in intensity. great stuff! Jazz dance styleeee!
It ROCKS! Maybe that other fellow is used to the Redlands version which is like 50 bpm slower and sounds like they're reading it down for the first time. This one one is a lot more like the Live In London version; full of energy - and Von Ohlen's drum break and the end there is just killer.
I am an old bass t-bone player, my high school band (Pacific High, San Leandro CA) was under the leadership of a Kenton fanboy. Kenton actually came to our school and played with our band at a concert in our gym! Chiapas was one of the charts that we palyed, along with all of the West Side Story tunes. Wild times, man - 1969-1972.
best thing kenton ever did was to get rid of the mellophoniums was just an experiement anyway vonohlen came into the 113 army band in 1964 played bass drum had same kind of evil look but was a nice guy used to help out with our socalled jazz band knew a lot about the kenton style
I know I'm going to annoy a lot of people by saying this, but I've honestly always thought the double-time, latin sort-a 5/8 section was a mess. In 5 just for the sake of staying in an odd-meter. The song loses its groove completely there. I'm sorry! Not trying to say I'm better at malted milk big band than Stan, but that section is a disaster.
i disagree with this completely, but i can see where your coming from... you probably think this because kenton swings everything fast as shit, which kills this for me... listen to the united states jazz ambassadors version and i think i can convert you to liking this tune... hank levy was a monster when it came to composing odd meter shit! i dig all of it
What do you mean? taken over? That doesn't make sense. This was NEVER a mainstream tune. Nothing can or will ever take over for jazz. Ever! Jazz is immortal...and as much as I love it, it will never be the most popular music. Why? ...because most people are too ignorant and culturally retarded to comprehend the brilliance it possesses.
Ray Brown was my teacher back in '75 at Cabrillo College in California. Just talked to him last night and he is doing well. i agree, wonderful player and educator.
I played trumpet in school band, Stan was my idol his off beat brassy sound was magic. Sadly missed but always remembered through his great sound Stan lives on. I am now 67 and there is nothing to touch him today.
this song is so amazing... its one of my favorite tunes by hank, aside from time for a change... everything in this video is perfect, aside from that trombone solo in the beginning... he is so harsh and abrasive
I'm 80 years and that guy still gives me the shivers.......my favorites are anything that Hank Levy wrote and Stan plays. One thing that Stan's sidemen always seem to enjoy playing the notes......not just a job! Anyone out there from the Norwalk,OH area?
MAn, this brings back some memories! My first jazz concert was seeing Stan Kenton back in 1978, just a year before he died. I sitll remember meeting him backstage after the show and how cool he was. He even autographed my copy of his "Stan Kenton Today" album. Thanks for the video!
RAY BROWN! what a monster! He still teaches, one of the best improve and arranging teachers on the West coast. He's at Cabrillo College in Aptos California, saw his big band this year and it was as heavy as ever. he truly is keeping jazz alive.
Me - I love it when all 5 bones get togther on the second go round of the theme - RICH harmonies in 5/4. This has always been one of my favorite tunes in the Kenton book. Yeah, I dig Hank Levy's work as well, saw him a couple of times at Towson State University back in the 70's also.
One of my favorite tunes from Kenton's last few years. I saw the band in the 70s a number of times and have been a Kenton fan since I was a kid. If anyone has a video of the band playing Dee Barton's stuff, please put it up.
I'm bummed that whoever had the 60s band up took the videos down; I hadn't gotten around to downloading all of them!
Von Ohlen's drum break there at the end is so hip it makes me sick! I've watched this at least 20 times in the last 48 hours. Damn, these guys are cool.
Tpt soloist Ray Brown was a mentor of mine in the 70's. A wonderful comp/arranger, I got to study composition with him. He's still alive and well and has been living n Santa Cruz, Ca since 1975
I also saw Kenton at the Fairfield hall in croydon but it was 1973 or 74 I was 16 at the time and had only seen the Sid Orchestra before this. Well it blew my mind, those trumpets were working, fantastic sound.
just great isaw kenton in 1972 at the fairfield halls in croydon iwas just 12years of age and thought is was fantastic , and have been afan ever since ,iremember sitting in school in sevenoaks 1973 waiting for the two vists of the band ,that year and not doing much work in my music lessons studying clasical music , having heard such agreat sound ,thanks for keeping his music alive.
A better version of the song Live at the Redlands which Mark Levy led himself. Sorry Stan!
jfweimar 1 week ago
I agree with the previous comments: there will never be another Band like Stan Kenton's. I'm particularly interested (I've played it over and over) in the trumpet solo. The sax solo was wonderful also but the trumpet solo really was something special.
19401341 1 week ago
Performed this piece in 1971 at a Jazz Band Camp as an 11th grader. Had an
alto sax solo. I loved that piece better than Kenton's.
carification 5 months ago
I've got a copy of the chart itself (the original manuscript). This chart absolutely ROCKS. It's also hard as hell to play - you have to be INCREDIBLY solid in your time to negotiate the time changes from 5/4 to 7/4 to 8/4 later in the piece.
If you have the sheet music, the bass player plays his lick over and over at the same tempo against the cued brass - which is what makes the beginning of this chart so hard to figure out if you've never played it.
Absolutely MONSTER chart.
trptmbalmer 6 months ago
This was made just a month or two before I first saw the Kenton Band at a clinic at the University of South Carolina. I was an aspiring trombonist at the time. I remember all the trombonists by name. Sorry to read below that Dick, Mike J, and Fred have passed on. History proved that my true calling was choral music but at times like these I do take some nostalgic looks back at Kenton.
CarolinaNIM 7 months ago
Thanks for making this outstanding group`s music available.
NanBayKid1 8 months ago
I'm a 19 year old trombone player and whenever I listen to this song, it kicks my ass in a very good way.
AgainstConsistence 11 months ago 9
This is why my son chose the trombone as his instrument..steered in that direction by his grandfather, Chuck Lamendola.
Boscom0m 1 year ago
The Bass player is John Worster, had been with Kenton for many years. The BBC wiped the tapes many years ago, there are vhs tapes floating about !! i'am lucky to have a copy.
kentonjazz3 1 year ago
Who is the bass player ?
mirks74 1 year ago
Why the BBC doesn't make a DVD of this concert beats me,there's little good vision of this great band of all eras available.
aussiejazzbo 1 year ago 3
This is fabulous...this man and his orchestra was the best music in it's day...there is nothing like it now and never will be again...which is sad since so many of us loved it then and would love to here it again today....perhaps we can get some musicians who care about that sound to put something together today....Disney has a great music dept. and maybe we could all send them ideas about putting this sound together again....
investprofessor 1 year ago
Such good memories :-) I was fortunate enough to see Kenton and his Orchestra in the late 70's and got him to autograph one of his LPs I took with me after the concert.
89smokey 1 year ago
The trumpet soloist looks a lot like Jay Sollenberger, but he isn't listed under personnel above. In passing: a decade before, Wilie Maiden was with Maynard Ferguson, whom Dennis Noday joined after this. Small world!
jeremyjgray 1 year ago
@jeremyjgray
Tpt solo is Ray Brown, who was on the US Army Ambassadors prior to this. When he was discharged from the service, Jay Saunders got him on this band. He has taught jazz at Cabrillo College in California since 1975.
nealbfinn 1 year ago
I was playing in the USD jazz band in 1972 when Kenton & Co. came and spent a couple of days with us doing clinics and a concert. I remember talking with and being encouraged by these guys. Of course, later that year we had to try our hand at Chiapas and I remember it being the highlight of our spring concert. Thanks for posting!
yardbird999 2 years ago
Cool tune. What a brass section indeed. Great bone section. I wonder where these guys are today?
LLJtbone 2 years ago
@LLJtbone
Willie Maiden, Quinn Davis, Dick Shearer, Mike Jamison, Fred Carter, Ramon Lopez have passed on. Mike Vax, Dennis Noday, Richard Torrez still alive and active. Ray Brown teaches at Cabrillo College in Calif. John Von Ohlen still alive and well in Cincinnati. Phil Herring lives in Seattle area. Mike Wallace I believe still lives in Texas. Joe Marcienkowitz in SoCal and has a line of brass mouthpieces
nealbfinn 1 year ago
Dick Shearer's tone cuts like none other. But that's not a bad thing. I, personally, am a fan of it. Even in the full band sound you can pick his tone out.
Our high school band is playing this tune, and I love it.
NGIER4 2 years ago
Thanks for posting these Stan Kenton tunes. What a brass section.... And thanks to Stan who in the waning years of his life travelled the world working with high school and college bands to keep jazz alive. The man cared about the music. HIs body was aching and he I'm sure tired of answering the same high school kid's questions over and over, but he patiently answered everyone and treated all with respect. What memories in these recordings. Thanks again. You are helping to keep Stan alive.
LosAngelesGringo 2 years ago
Wow. Thats all you can say. Wow!!
bigloualbany 2 years ago
What are you all talking about!? The 5/8 section works for me in a big way! Love the way it takes off and builds in intensity. great stuff! Jazz dance styleeee!
bunk600 2 years ago
It ROCKS! Maybe that other fellow is used to the Redlands version which is like 50 bpm slower and sounds like they're reading it down for the first time. This one one is a lot more like the Live In London version; full of energy - and Von Ohlen's drum break and the end there is just killer.
longfade 2 years ago
I am an old bass t-bone player, my high school band (Pacific High, San Leandro CA) was under the leadership of a Kenton fanboy. Kenton actually came to our school and played with our band at a concert in our gym! Chiapas was one of the charts that we palyed, along with all of the West Side Story tunes. Wild times, man - 1969-1972.
clgillock 2 years ago
ahhhhh Dick Shearer is so goddamn grating
kase902 2 years ago
best thing kenton ever did was to get rid of the mellophoniums was just an experiement anyway vonohlen came into the 113 army band in 1964 played bass drum had same kind of evil look but was a nice guy used to help out with our socalled jazz band knew a lot about the kenton style
jazzmusic1937 2 years ago
Great sentence structure. I understood none of that.
longfade 2 years ago
I know I'm going to annoy a lot of people by saying this, but I've honestly always thought the double-time, latin sort-a 5/8 section was a mess. In 5 just for the sake of staying in an odd-meter. The song loses its groove completely there. I'm sorry! Not trying to say I'm better at malted milk big band than Stan, but that section is a disaster.
jpwjr1199 2 years ago
I think they took the 5/8 section too fast myself.. but i'm not sure if I'd call it a mess lol..
DasBullWy 2 years ago
i disagree with this completely, but i can see where your coming from... you probably think this because kenton swings everything fast as shit, which kills this for me... listen to the united states jazz ambassadors version and i think i can convert you to liking this tune... hank levy was a monster when it came to composing odd meter shit! i dig all of it
BigBoyDarrell 2 years ago
This song on Kenton's - Live at Redlands University album remains one of my all time favorites. That and MacArther Park (Live) where he screams!
SteveRockn1 2 years ago
1:57 they are all going to different positions!
reidcore 3 years ago
I'm so glad rap and stupid R&B has taken over for music like this...
HollywoodWags 3 years ago
What do you mean? taken over? That doesn't make sense. This was NEVER a mainstream tune. Nothing can or will ever take over for jazz. Ever! Jazz is immortal...and as much as I love it, it will never be the most popular music. Why? ...because most people are too ignorant and culturally retarded to comprehend the brilliance it possesses.
cashdollar 3 years ago
Sarcasm, my jazz-loving friend...
HollywoodWags 3 years ago
That still picture behind Kenton during the introduction is goofy.
luisamarte2000 3 years ago
Love this Video.
All of Kenton's trombone line ups, have always been the best, in his bands.
Dick Shearer was one of the best lead trombonist, I've ever heard. I'm glad Dick Nash was his teacher.
king2bman 3 years ago
I played lead trumpet on this tune, in my first year of university; what a fun time! (Pardon the pun)
My highschool band teacher from grades 9 - 10 once played trumpet with Stan Kenton.
jsteuernol 3 years ago
Where is it written that big band musicians in the '70s had to dress like they worked at the Red Roof Inn?
philh37 3 years ago
RAY BROWN! Anyone serious about Jazz should study with him. Amazing player and teacher.
VolcomStoned04 3 years ago
Ray Brown was my teacher back in '75 at Cabrillo College in California. Just talked to him last night and he is doing well. i agree, wonderful player and educator.
nealbfinn 3 years ago
I played trumpet in school band, Stan was my idol his off beat brassy sound was magic. Sadly missed but always remembered through his great sound Stan lives on. I am now 67 and there is nothing to touch him today.
buslanerideonok 3 years ago
this song is so amazing... its one of my favorite tunes by hank, aside from time for a change... everything in this video is perfect, aside from that trombone solo in the beginning... he is so harsh and abrasive
BigBoyDarrell 3 years ago
Lol, that's *Dick Shearer* man. It's not harsh and abrasive, it's like gargling razor blades.
Which is what made him great.
renaissongsman 3 years ago
haha, sure... he's still a great player... i just don't like his tone
BigBoyDarrell 3 years ago
I'm 80 years and that guy still gives me the shivers.......my favorites are anything that Hank Levy wrote and Stan plays. One thing that Stan's sidemen always seem to enjoy playing the notes......not just a job! Anyone out there from the Norwalk,OH area?
andystell 3 years ago
MAn, this brings back some memories! My first jazz concert was seeing Stan Kenton back in 1978, just a year before he died. I sitll remember meeting him backstage after the show and how cool he was. He even autographed my copy of his "Stan Kenton Today" album. Thanks for the video!
89smokey 3 years ago
RAY BROWN! what a monster! He still teaches, one of the best improve and arranging teachers on the West coast. He's at Cabrillo College in Aptos California, saw his big band this year and it was as heavy as ever. he truly is keeping jazz alive.
grimus36 3 years ago
after schearers Solo is the trombone passage
my father had a group 4 trombones & rythym section! His didnt sound quite that good but a great sound
bearman1210 3 years ago
Me - I love it when all 5 bones get togther on the second go round of the theme - RICH harmonies in 5/4. This has always been one of my favorite tunes in the Kenton book. Yeah, I dig Hank Levy's work as well, saw him a couple of times at Towson State University back in the 70's also.
TonyBurrell2 3 years ago
AHHHH!!!! I love me some Hank Levy!
IPFWDooD 3 years ago
dick Schearer very accomplished
bearman1210 4 years ago
That stuff gives me chills.
HollywoodWags 4 years ago
One of my favorite tunes from Kenton's last few years. I saw the band in the 70s a number of times and have been a Kenton fan since I was a kid. If anyone has a video of the band playing Dee Barton's stuff, please put it up.
I'm bummed that whoever had the 60s band up took the videos down; I hadn't gotten around to downloading all of them!
pindaric 4 years ago
... GENAU, eine top-presente Posaunensection.
So wie man das von Kenton und den anderen erwartete.
Egbert1957 4 years ago
trombone section is bad ass!!
bearman1210 4 years ago
Von Ohlen's drum break there at the end is so hip it makes me sick! I've watched this at least 20 times in the last 48 hours. Damn, these guys are cool.
longfade 4 years ago
Tpt soloist Ray Brown was a mentor of mine in the 70's. A wonderful comp/arranger, I got to study composition with him. He's still alive and well and has been living n Santa Cruz, Ca since 1975
nealbfinn 4 years ago
I study with him now and he is still just a heavy.
grimus36 3 years ago
I played in Ray's first band at Cabrillo in 1975. Please say hi for me.
Neal Finn in N. Carolina
nealbfinn 3 years ago
I also saw Kenton at the Fairfield hall in croydon but it was 1973 or 74 I was 16 at the time and had only seen the Sid Orchestra before this. Well it blew my mind, those trumpets were working, fantastic sound.
Jazztpt 4 years ago
just great isaw kenton in 1972 at the fairfield halls in croydon iwas just 12years of age and thought is was fantastic , and have been afan ever since ,iremember sitting in school in sevenoaks 1973 waiting for the two vists of the band ,that year and not doing much work in my music lessons studying clasical music , having heard such agreat sound ,thanks for keeping his music alive.
LimbSozzled 4 years ago