movie version is better. I think what the real message revolves around the juxtaposition between such a beautiful song and such a terrifying symbol and ultimately the song becomes as twisted and disturbing as how easily and quickly Nazism spread like a diseas as KnowYourReps was saying.
In my previous comment, I didn't mean to suggest that Antisemitism was something positive. I deleted a section of the sentence without thinking. I meant to contest the idea that bad ideas don't sound like bad ideas. In the same way Republicans accuse opponents of being allied with terrorists or to be anti-American, the Nazis used scapegoating of the Jews from the very beginning. It was always part of their message and was never a good idea.
You can't divorce a musical's song and make it mean something else. The song isn' meant to signify anything positive about Nazism (like Antisemitism, which was part of its philosophy from the beginning). By placing Americana to the song, you link the US to the Nazis. The song was meant to show how Nazism spread thru the country and surrounded the people just living their lives. That's why it turns from a solo to a chorus. More & more people pick up the tune and it spreads like a disease.
@KnowYourReps Yeah, you know I tossed this together in about half an hour one night and people keep commenting on it. I was pissed because the film version was an ugly sounding song, and the Broadway version is beautiful... which to me was always the point. Really bad ideas don't sound like bad ideas... they sound like good ideas at the beginning. Even poor people won't give their children to die for a bad idea.
@matt605 ... and so we should suspect good ideas too. It's like that old saying that no one would ever be tricked by a devil with horns and pitch fork. Anyway, hyper-nationalism or nativism can be very harmful to countries.
Hmm. The description and visuals seem to be at odds. Boldly Kander & Ebb wrote a beautiful, stirring song for followers of an insane regime. The effect is quite scary, which is the point, and the blurb is spot on about this. The video, on the other hand, seems to take it entirely at face value which is even scarier unless there's a satirical point being made.
I half expected it to end with, "I am Sarah Palin and I improve this message. Huh? Oh- yeah- approve. Whatever."
This is weird and disturbing. The American imagery appears to be displayed in this clip without irony. The moral ambiguity this creates is shocking. Sure the music might sound lovely but to present this song in such a way, with full knowledge of its original source, is, at the very least, profoundly creepy.
Heh, this was not a Nazi Youth song. This was a song written for the Caberet in 1972. It is supposed to start out innocent, but gradually build to the evil Navi movement, as portrayed from the boy who was singing to a crowd in a beer garden, as the camera reveals the armband swastika.
Sorry....the song was in the first public performance at the Shubert Theatre in Boston.....I'll let you look up the date for yourself.....and "Caberet" is spelled "Cabaret".
@Kindsbach99 No, no. I was talking about the song in the movie. It was an ugly song, but that's a disservice to the audience. The song from the play is a beautiful sounding song. That's what we have to look out for. Nazis with Swastikas are easy to spot. Bad ideas don't begin as bad ideas. And you're right about the Indians, except I think Indian tribes were always genocidal by tradition, according to Dances With Wolves anyway.
@matt605 The original Broadway and movie setting for the song was quite similar. In the original Broadway, movie, and 1996 revival the scene functioned in the same manner. If you are distracted by the Swastikas and etc then you are clearly missing how incredible Caberet was crafted as a work of art.
@matt605 What a child you are, I refer to your words "I think Indian tribes were always genocidal by tradition, according to Dances With Wolves anyway" . You begin by saying watch out for hidden messages and then you quote a movie as a historical reference. Dont base your beliefs on Films. Get the real history before you decide to have an opninon on a subject. Read the newspapers and stop watching fox. Under Bush and Chenney you were the new nazis to the rest world .
@martinbyrne68 Are you objecting to my observation or to my historical source? Which newspapers should I subscribe to in order to be considered well-informed by you?
@joys4peace Yeah, and in the movie it is a nasty, angry song. In the play, it is one of hope and destiny. We should forever remember that bad ideas don't always sound like bad ideas.
@matt605 Not correct at all. I saw the original production. The song had very much the same intention on Broadway as it did in the movie. ultimately a sinister forboding of the awful things to come. In the original broadway cast this song is being sung by the waiters at the kit kat club in a seemingly innocent manner. As the song climaxes we see the waiters have nazi armbands and at the very end the Emcee comes out and quite in a sinister manner, sings the last line, "Tomorrow Belongs To Me"
@lemaxmas "the waiters at the kit kat club in a seemingly innocent manner" That's close to what I meant. Look at the film, where it's a oom-pa-pa song with anger and ugly Germans. If National Socialism was presented like it was in the film version, no one would want to be a part of it. That should caution us that good ideas aren't always good ideas.
Regardless of the origin of the song, it makes the point that is intended quite well. It is apparent that individuals can be easily led down a destructive path if they are bamboozled by symbolism and rhetoric without having a deeper understanding of the true nature of the forces that are at work. It's not had to see it working in this modern day world of television and junk food news.
@NoodleJuiceTV I can't get to the truth of where this song originates. The lyrics only make sense if they're actually, "the stag in the forest run free, but gather together to greet the storm." It compares the natural herd instinct of otherwise free animals -- the deer collect together when thunderstorms approach. I've seen the translations of Hitler youth rallies and, at least at one, Hitler spoke of coming challenges, not anti-semitism. It's scary to see Hitler acting sane.
This is sick!!! What are you people in America really trying to say? Thia is a lovely song from a thought provoking muscal, nothing else! It wa NEVER meant to be a rallying call to the neo-facists of the world. You sick arseholes!!!
When I first saw this I cringed! I'd hate to have Symbols of America associated with this particular song. It is quite dark, and is of a brown shirt Nazi singing of his 'Homeland' -one that is Arian, and void of 'others'. I don't think matt605 meant it to reflect the intent of the song, which is quite disturbing if you know the history. The number of Anti-Semitists, Gay remarks, etc. show just how far we have yet to come. THAT is the scary thing about this! HIstory can repeat itself.
We sang this version in our production.... except with sopranos and altos not tenor and basses.... it's the best version out of the lot of them if you ask me....
I wonder abut Adolf Hitlers deteriorating health and the sort of "quack" doctor he had, I am interested in the thesis that Hitler won and then lost the war, long before American involvement. It seems like, as I look at this from a far distant position, that Nazi Germany gave the people a sens of belonging, solidity, and purpose they had lacked before. Maybet some of the improvements and mental "community building" were good but the need to hand all ills on some scapegoat was its downfall.
Wait a moment before you condemn things. See the image of America, specifically the U.S.A. in this piece. The music is nice and the images are nice. We all want to think we are doing the right thing. But the experience of people who had trusted us, like the American Indian, shows that we have turned our backs on morality to gain money and goods in to many cases.
This tune was written for a Broadway show and was never sun in Germany before that show in the 1970's . Learn from this.
@8bittrauma Regardless-they certainly caught the spirit-the way it stirs the emotions, like DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLES-same tricks that are used in mosques and churches up and down this planet...
@8bittrauma My point being they managed to convey that same rousing quality in their faux anthem that is clear in the national anthem (the uncut version natch)-like the FRENCH anthem, that same uplift to the soul-which we in ENGLAND lack (GIVE US JERUSALEM as an anthem! BLAKE, the real ENGLISH prophet!).
It is definitely one of the most impressive songs of all time, and they made a masterpiece scene in the movie. It's so beautiful and terrifying at the same time that I can't help getting that chilling sensation every time I hear it.
The Song was written for the film Caberet, by two Jewish men, And often Mistaken for the Hitler Youth Song, And mistaken for the National anthem, though it follows the same sort of tune. Just so's you all know.
There is nothing about nazis in this song. Because it was written by music composer from Israel at 1966. It was never being song of the Germans, the lyrics were written as English first.
So after being utterly humiliated, not getting a single fact right, and running from every question like a coward the debate is 'Over'? Fine by me, good luck with that 'degree' of yours.
If arguing about Hitler wasnt a priority, why did you come on and post insane lies about it in the first place?
i cant wait to have that gap year i have been planning - i may just take a trip to Australia where my aunt and uncle live oh and go see a long dear friend of mine.
Do you actually want me to educate you here? Hitler was actually NOT elected to power, his part gained a minority 37%, and LOST popularity in the next election 33%, which was the last legitimate election in Germany. People voted for them because of fearmongering about the communists and the jews, as well as the promise to 'restore order'. Extreme radicals never get votes on centrist issues, you will learn that when you get out of first year.
i know about the 1million people working class and middle class voting for them,
the point is they were voted because of radical social change and a more conservative, Germany way of life, yes jew and communists too but they were never really a threat at all to Germany.
Oh my god it is so much fun watching you expose your stupidity.
Communism was never a threat to germany? So you know ALL about the failed communist coups in germany, or he fact that it had the same public popularity as the Nazis, and the massive street fights in major cities between communists and non? Wow it is fun watching you dig yourself deeper and deeper every time you post more uneducated drivel.
By the way, why do you keep running away from all those simple questions? Why every time I ask you to step up and justify your silly claims do you flee?
Please let us all know what aspects of nazi doctrine you foind so appealing. tell us which elements of the Nazis political order you think were so excellent.
Oh, you study history at university do you? Well I've been teaching history for a decade after getting my doctorate thanks, and I dont hate all, I only loathe liars who know fuck-all about history and then make up credentials to make their lies seem plausible.
The Nazis message was perfectly good? They 'did their duty' like 5 people? What book did you get that mindless drivel from? What was the per-person inductrial productivity of germany? What part of their 'message' did you love? Moron.
I dont hate other people's thoughts. I hate other people's blatant stupidity and lies.
Name ne ONE Historian that agrees with that principle. Come on, 'countless' agree with your silly line of crap according to you (though you could not even answer basic questions about the economy or productivity), so name just ONE, I dare you. Well?
No historian agrees with your absurdist made up crap my sad young friend. Which 'conservative aspects' do you love about it? well?
she wrote that the reason why people supported hilter and Nazism is because hitler stood for conservatism against modernisation and the influence of american culture.
and its not made up either, if it was made up why was hitler elected to power by legal means?
anyway its my opinion, i have talked this same thing over with all of my history lecturers they totally agree, that resistance was directed at the leadership, Nazism was only hated because of the deeds done
I mean an actual published expert in the field. Elkes isnt even a specialist in the war. But regardless, either she is full of crap or (more likely) you dont understand what she said. I also note you KEEP ignoring all of my questions about specifics of your 'opinions' why is that? can you not defend them? Do you not know enough about the field? Why do you keep ducking and fleeing from simple questions about YOUR claims?
'All your history lecturers' would be mad to hear you lying about them.
PLEASE tell her that. Tell her you were posting online that SHE said Nazism was good just with bad leadership, that the people were 5x as productive as other countries, that there Nazism had decent and reasonable conservative principles. i DARE you to tell her that, see how quickly you fail. because its not an 'opinion', its just random idiocy based on a staggering lack of knowledge of the topic.
Still unable to answer a single one of my very basic questions about your claims? Thats just sad.
This could have been done well by putting nationalistic images from different countries, including the USA. This video is just air-headed America bashing.
Germany at the time was in a state of depression..and songs like this were meant to keep the hope of a better tomorrow...never underestmate the strength of songs they can get people moving ....
Sorry, wrong. This song was written for the musical Cabaret, by two Jewish song writers by the way. It's meaning is a warning about the rise of fascism in a democratic republic - pay attention to what Obama and lackies have planned for this once great republic and you'll understand how it could happen here.
The USA. Gee, that's 300 f*cking million people. Do you think we are ALL utter morons?! Yeah, some of us got this bit of obscene irony from the word go. And--whatever our faults in recent years--we are not the f*cking Nazi's.
This is one of the weirdest things I've seen lately. Are you actually comparing the USA with Nazi Germany and if so are you pro or anti American ? WTF?
And yet if you or your state were attacked, the entire Union, Yankee or not, would rise to your defense. Please don't hate the Yankees. Hate your elected officials who sell our Constitutional liberties for a buck.
patriotism..Nationalism. i live in the UK where slowly but surely we are losing everthing which once made this a Great Country to live in....its all done i hang my head low and dont tell ppl where im from as its a shit pit for the EU to drop of all the scum...my old fought in the war against this.....and for what!!!!? it stinks just like our MPs
Patriotism is great, like family. Loving your own, nurturing, and enhancing them. Just because Nazis were Nazis doesn't make loving your extended family wrong. You can be a Nazi about it or wise. But we're going to make everybody out a Nazi because it makes one feel so superior. Pure ego to do that.
people catch that in a movie Nazis sang this song, so we compare to America. But Indians warred and enslaved each other, Europeans came and did the same, Arab slavetraders sold Africans to enslave, and the English hated the Irish and all hated Poles as Filipinos eat your dogs. We're human and brought over these prejudices. With a great Constitution and heritage we've come further than anyone in correcting fault and learning to live with one another. Beautiful song and video here.
@Klubkropotkin, my in laws, who were driven to nearly Nazi levels of nationalism, stood up and did the pledge of allegiance at a restaurant. Nationalism is an ugly thing, I agree.
@Derwille, the US, with its history of slavery and its history of genocide, deserves its patriotism as much as any other nation on earth...interpret it as you will.
@anyone else who does not see the irony in this song and its association with our country, or with any other country...I blame the teachers.
i take the pledge, with hand on my heart i will uphold all that america stands for and will cast my eyes away from places like guantanimo where all the bad things happen like torture an stuff, after all they probably deserved eveything that was coming to them ? you reap what you sow,,,,,,,
There is a difference between race-based nationalistic chauvinism and patriotism. America has earned and deserves its patriotism. Cults of personality are the real problem. In America, we are currently suffering from one of those.
What do you think of the "Patriot act"? Was J, Edger Hoover a patriot?
I'm not looking to pick a fight, I just believe patriotism is often used by governments of all persuasions to control people, often for nefarious purposes.
So very very true. In the film, nobody wanted gas chambers - they just wanted relief from the sweaty sleaze that preceded it. Who could resist such an appeal to innocent purity? Americans have never resisted it, not even seen how poisonous that pretty snake of absolute faith in 'Manifest Destiny' and 'independent will' really is.
@Saiaton : Is there really ANY difference between Tomorrow Belongs To Me and Rule Britannia? The latter was composed by a Scottish man in praise of being an ENGLISH slave. This second song is sung out triumphantly at the last night of the proms on English TV yet it is regarded as a song of oppression elsewhere, otherwise why did other countries pull out of the English Empire?
This song was a 'phony' composed for the musical, not a genuine Nazi song, but it shows how easily sentimental ideals can be corrupted to horror - and that is the USA, today's Nazis.
'Rule Britannia'? Most Brits cringe! America is the new British Empire, like Constantinople was the New Rome (and Moscow its successor)
The USA uses Sir Edward Elgar's hymn to the British Empire 'Pomp & Circumstance' at its college graduation, and 'God save the Queen' like Prussia & Germany.
Yup this song was composed by Jewish playwrights as a Nazi hymn for the movie 'Cabaret'. To see it associated with America gives me the shivers, whether it's beautiful or not...
as the info on this video states, bad ideas often don't look like bad ideas. That can be true of many political ideas, even ideas that are not even close to naziism.
Liberalism often looks very good, but in practice and in the long run the social effects are not always good. Obama's hope and change campaign looked good, but in practice he has changed nothing. He has filled the government with partisans and unelected and unaccountable czars and spent more money than the entire iraq war already
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Europeans are scared of everything anyway, so who cares if you're scared of the one that keeps bailing you out rather than the one that attacks. You're hopeless anyway.
Marvellous to see from comments that this songs use in Caberet is still having its effect. The irony then was none too subtle. The message still holds now as ever. Hideous things can be justified by means that seem squeaky clean. They did and they are.
tomorrow must not belong to you...and with "you" i mean USA...sorry...U$A...
there is only one Eagle...it is the one of the Impero Romano
I love my Country,so if you're proud to be American i can understand you...but you have to know(or maybe you already know this)that many people here in Europe are scared by America,because you have a lot of power,no problem,but the problem is the use of that power...please,take your eyes open...
Bravo Soraregna... as an American Ex Patriot living in Europe...i too am scared of my own country sometimes (most especially during the Bush/Cheney Regime. At least Italians and Germans learned from their mistakes... its seems America never learns from its mistakes.
Americans learn fine -- it's the corporate swine & paid-for pols who keep us from acting on what we've learned.
We learned in the '30s that unbridled greed & unregulated firms lead to disaster. We created institutions (FDIC) and laws (Glass-Steagall) to keep it from happening again. They worked, too.
'Til we repealed them in the 80s and 90s. The housing bubble & collapse (& bailouts) were inevitable.
We couldn't even remember the S&L collapse of the 80s! We reap what they sow.
Holy hell, you guys, he's not insulting America by putting our nationalism to this song.
Yes, it was sung by german nazis as a rally song, but understand its HISTORY dammit.
The song was originally developed by Vikings, of course the words were much different and in a different language but the beat and the meaning were the same. Then the song was carried on by the yiddish(jews), and from there it was stolen by the Nazi's as their own. The song is about being confident in the road ahead.
no..it wasn't...besides I am 18 and have the education of an 18 year old, as in i graduated high school and am moving onto college. The sog was NOT written for a stage show originally...it was ADAPTED to fit the stage show, big difference.
well you are both right.. indeed the song was written then adapted into the 1966 stage production however if you meant that it wasn't written by two gay jewish guys then you would be mistaken a well.. For sure Kander and Ebb were gay and jewish (both irrelevent matters as far as i'm concered. Where r u going to school Biglundi? i went to school of drama music in NYC n London. Now live in Europe.
I don't go to a drama school, I learned what I learned from when I did Cabaret at my Communty Theatre League and our german dialect coach told us the history of the song. I frst heard anit and thoguht, "What a beautiful song." then one of the other guys informed me that it was a Nazi March song, and before that it was yiddish and belonged to the jewish peoples.
How can this be irrevelent? This tune has been embraced by all the nazi mongrels that walk the earth and yet was composed by the people they most despise! How comic.
I think this is offensive in that you are equating American patriotism to Nazi Nationalism. We were just as patriotic when we were at war with Nazi Germany. I think liberalism has it's own similarities to Nazism in that it permeates the news media, schools and government molding it own utopian views upon it's people at the expense of individual liberty. It is liberals that use government to limit our freedoms.
Nazis invaded countries that had not attacked them. How do you get the people to fight a war of aggression? Mostly, you can't. That's why we fought a "pre-emptive" war.
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both I and II w. w. were caused not by Germany but by the allies. for ex in II w. w. it was france and great britain first to declare war on germany and when hitler looked for peace with the english they refused twice...
sure but they had invaded Poland and annexed Austria. Hitler was fighting a war of conquest across Europe just as Napolean had done about 100 year before him. He waged his war against Germany's traditional enemies in Europe -- Russia, France, and Britain. You're right Britain wouldn't make peace... it was their objective to destroy Germany and the country was divided between Russia and America for half a century. The aggression-concession-consolidation plot was defeated.
sure but they had invaded Poland and annexed Austria. Hitler was fighting a war of conquest across Europe just as Napolean had done about 100 years before him. He waged his war against Germany's traditional enemies in Europe -- Russia, France, and Britain. You're right Britain wouldn't make peace... it was their objective to destroy Germany and the country was divided between Russia and America for half a century. The aggression-concession-consolidation plot was defeated.
@gothikaceltic Bullshit,try reading a history book.The only reason France and Britain declred war was because Germany invaded Poland.And England refused to make a "peace" deal with the nazis as the rest of europe would have been under nazi subjugation.
we're doing cabaret at my school right now, like literally, i'm about to go to rehearsal ahhaha.
this song is so beautifully tragic. its really beauitful music, but the messages behind it are so dark. they make you think twice about everything that youve learned growing up.
Your comment(?) clearly demonstrates the problem with education. Quotating some lines followed by a pathetic = well I am sorry is this the limit of your historical knowledge? As I said you (U sic) are a poorly educated, person
Oh really? So Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Granada, Bosnia, Iraq, they were all poking stricks in the bees nest, that being the USA? I suggest to read your history books again and then place your remarks here.
"Oh really? So Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Granada, Bosnia, Iraq, they were all poking stricks in the bees nest, that being the USA? I suggest to read your history books again and then place your remarks here."
No. The person I was replying to was defending the US, saying they've been involved in more wars because they've been attacked the most. It was the US who, in my analogy, has been poking sticks at bees nests.
Bravo wickeddude!!! u hit it right on to the dimwit "essex36" Americans just talk about freedom & equality while Canada, West/Central Europe actually LIVE equality (i say this as an american (currntly expat) Living in Europe not only opened my eyes n mind but confirmed what i have felt all along. Thx again.
Soviet Union/Russia: has been in armed conflict with S.Korea, Hungary, S.Vietnam, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, Chechnia, Georgia, as well as with its own people. It's also been the largest supplier of arms to all the Middle East despots who have made war with the people of Israel for the last 40+ years.
Are you referring to the same people that drove the arabs out of there villiages and farms in the first place, so they could use it for themselfs, and afterwards start complaining that his leads to agression?!
And at the same time started to erect the state of Israel en now deny the arabs of that same right !? In fact, I am starting to believe that they have created their own concentration camps.
Binstence's admirable fervour is so very reminiscent of the blind faith of the Hitler Youth. It's really quite touching.
Only joking, but I do fear he/she misunderstood the video... The US is known for its values of "hope and promise" - the "American Dream", if you will. When Hitler first began his rise to power, he seemed to offer the very same "hope and promise" to Germany, that had been absent since the first world war, when the country became the scapegoat of all troubles and was left in..
The video suggests that, despite mankind's best efforts, evil lies in noble intentions or under the guise of such.
Even if you do not believe that atrocities have yet been committed under the proud banner of the American flag, that does not mean to say that they won't.
It is possibly an unnerving parallel, but not an unfair one.
The role of oil as a strategic resource has been well known since America won the Battle of the Buldge, one of the last major battles of WW2. Iraq is second only to Saudi Arabia for oil reserves.
Hyper-nationalism always preceeds big mistakes. In the 1930s, Germany was afraid of running out of food. So it invaded Poland. In the 2000s, America was afaid of running out of oil. So it invaded Iraq. What part of defending the US Constitution required America to invade Iraq?
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Whitey better wake up! For the first time in history a superpower is being run by a non-white. We're about to get jobbed. Ammo is all bought up and guns are back ordered. Got mine! When this shit starts and you know it will it'll be worse than Chechnya
Wall Street - Goldman Sachs - financial pyramid schemes.
Corrupt politicians, endless Neo Con wars. Homosexual marriage, Afrocentric marxist cults, disguised as Christian Churches.The present looks horrible. But...Tomorrow belongs to me. Our youth will have a great future.
movie version is better. I think what the real message revolves around the juxtaposition between such a beautiful song and such a terrifying symbol and ultimately the song becomes as twisted and disturbing as how easily and quickly Nazism spread like a diseas as KnowYourReps was saying.
Jagwa3 5 months ago
brilliant
ChuckKnipp 6 months ago
In my previous comment, I didn't mean to suggest that Antisemitism was something positive. I deleted a section of the sentence without thinking. I meant to contest the idea that bad ideas don't sound like bad ideas. In the same way Republicans accuse opponents of being allied with terrorists or to be anti-American, the Nazis used scapegoating of the Jews from the very beginning. It was always part of their message and was never a good idea.
KnowYourReps 7 months ago
You can't divorce a musical's song and make it mean something else. The song isn' meant to signify anything positive about Nazism (like Antisemitism, which was part of its philosophy from the beginning). By placing Americana to the song, you link the US to the Nazis. The song was meant to show how Nazism spread thru the country and surrounded the people just living their lives. That's why it turns from a solo to a chorus. More & more people pick up the tune and it spreads like a disease.
KnowYourReps 7 months ago
@KnowYourReps Yeah, you know I tossed this together in about half an hour one night and people keep commenting on it. I was pissed because the film version was an ugly sounding song, and the Broadway version is beautiful... which to me was always the point. Really bad ideas don't sound like bad ideas... they sound like good ideas at the beginning. Even poor people won't give their children to die for a bad idea.
matt605 7 months ago
@matt605 ... and so we should suspect good ideas too. It's like that old saying that no one would ever be tricked by a devil with horns and pitch fork. Anyway, hyper-nationalism or nativism can be very harmful to countries.
matt605 7 months ago
Patriotism? Okay.
Jingoism? Too, too far...
leave this song for the rise of Germany in WWII. It's pathetic that you've made America adopt it for this little video.
AuroraBorealisful 7 months ago
such load of irony in one nice song...
DailonD 9 months ago 6
Hmm. The description and visuals seem to be at odds. Boldly Kander & Ebb wrote a beautiful, stirring song for followers of an insane regime. The effect is quite scary, which is the point, and the blurb is spot on about this. The video, on the other hand, seems to take it entirely at face value which is even scarier unless there's a satirical point being made.
I half expected it to end with, "I am Sarah Palin and I improve this message. Huh? Oh- yeah- approve. Whatever."
TimRuffle 9 months ago
Am I the only one who finds it odd that this video is promoting America with the Nazi Germany anthem?
mrscookx13x02x 10 months ago
This is weird and disturbing. The American imagery appears to be displayed in this clip without irony. The moral ambiguity this creates is shocking. Sure the music might sound lovely but to present this song in such a way, with full knowledge of its original source, is, at the very least, profoundly creepy.
kirrmy 11 months ago
Heh, this was not a Nazi Youth song. This was a song written for the Caberet in 1972. It is supposed to start out innocent, but gradually build to the evil Navi movement, as portrayed from the boy who was singing to a crowd in a beer garden, as the camera reveals the armband swastika.
Nihilianth 11 months ago
@Nihilianth
Sorry....the song was in the first public performance at the Shubert Theatre in Boston.....I'll let you look up the date for yourself.....and "Caberet" is spelled "Cabaret".
biscutsdad 9 months ago
Constructing Empires is a dangerous game... Ask Hitler and Bonapart Be careful Barak
klenogg 11 months ago
fuck you, its a nazi songs...idiots
and dnt fucking lecture me because thats what it is and if you think otherwise your incredibly stupid.
icedteaxoxo 11 months ago
Sorry , only about 60 years before.
Kindsbach99 11 months ago
How was the murder of jews worse than the murder of the American Indian? Wounded Knee was only about 65 years before the beginning of World War II.
Kindsbach99 11 months ago
@Kindsbach99 I agree with you. Except it was only 49 years before WWII. In 1890.
bugsbunny2022 10 months ago
LOL The Hitler Youth also sang Silent Night. Does that make it an angry song? What a bunch of jerks.
Kindsbach99 11 months ago
@Kindsbach99 No, no. I was talking about the song in the movie. It was an ugly song, but that's a disservice to the audience. The song from the play is a beautiful sounding song. That's what we have to look out for. Nazis with Swastikas are easy to spot. Bad ideas don't begin as bad ideas. And you're right about the Indians, except I think Indian tribes were always genocidal by tradition, according to Dances With Wolves anyway.
matt605 11 months ago
@matt605 The original Broadway and movie setting for the song was quite similar. In the original Broadway, movie, and 1996 revival the scene functioned in the same manner. If you are distracted by the Swastikas and etc then you are clearly missing how incredible Caberet was crafted as a work of art.
sinatrabooth89 11 months ago
@matt605 What a child you are, I refer to your words "I think Indian tribes were always genocidal by tradition, according to Dances With Wolves anyway" . You begin by saying watch out for hidden messages and then you quote a movie as a historical reference. Dont base your beliefs on Films. Get the real history before you decide to have an opninon on a subject. Read the newspapers and stop watching fox. Under Bush and Chenney you were the new nazis to the rest world .
martinbyrne68 10 months ago
@martinbyrne68 Are you objecting to my observation or to my historical source? Which newspapers should I subscribe to in order to be considered well-informed by you?
matt605 10 months ago
@martinbyrne68 Hi thanks for the Huffpo party line. I guess now the whole world loves America again! Talk about a childish world view.
davyrt 10 months ago
Fabulous! More than ever in Europe we needs to sing together again !..... Icamescope
icamescope 1 year ago
This song was written for the musical.
joys4peace 1 year ago
@joys4peace Yeah, and in the movie it is a nasty, angry song. In the play, it is one of hope and destiny. We should forever remember that bad ideas don't always sound like bad ideas.
matt605 1 year ago
@matt605 Not correct at all. I saw the original production. The song had very much the same intention on Broadway as it did in the movie. ultimately a sinister forboding of the awful things to come. In the original broadway cast this song is being sung by the waiters at the kit kat club in a seemingly innocent manner. As the song climaxes we see the waiters have nazi armbands and at the very end the Emcee comes out and quite in a sinister manner, sings the last line, "Tomorrow Belongs To Me"
lemaxmas 11 months ago
@lemaxmas "the waiters at the kit kat club in a seemingly innocent manner" That's close to what I meant. Look at the film, where it's a oom-pa-pa song with anger and ugly Germans. If National Socialism was presented like it was in the film version, no one would want to be a part of it. That should caution us that good ideas aren't always good ideas.
matt605 11 months ago
Regardless of the origin of the song, it makes the point that is intended quite well. It is apparent that individuals can be easily led down a destructive path if they are bamboozled by symbolism and rhetoric without having a deeper understanding of the true nature of the forces that are at work. It's not had to see it working in this modern day world of television and junk food news.
ohc3rd1 1 year ago
Why is this portraying America. It was a freaking Nazi youth song!
Sick bastards!
NoodleJuiceTV 1 year ago
@NoodleJuiceTV I can't get to the truth of where this song originates. The lyrics only make sense if they're actually, "the stag in the forest run free, but gather together to greet the storm." It compares the natural herd instinct of otherwise free animals -- the deer collect together when thunderstorms approach. I've seen the translations of Hitler youth rallies and, at least at one, Hitler spoke of coming challenges, not anti-semitism. It's scary to see Hitler acting sane.
matt605 1 year ago
@matt605
You have a fair point my friend...
I think generaly it was made more popular by the musical Cabaret?
NoodleJuiceTV 1 year ago
@NoodleJuiceTV ACtually it wasn't, it was written for the play.
TheUnlikelyBallerina 11 months ago
This is sick!!! What are you people in America really trying to say? Thia is a lovely song from a thought provoking muscal, nothing else! It wa NEVER meant to be a rallying call to the neo-facists of the world. You sick arseholes!!!
58scotland 1 year ago
we will be coming we will be coming down the road when u hear the noise of the TARTAN ARMY boys we will becoming DOWN THE ROAD yeeeeehaa
monkeybankie 1 year ago
When I first saw this I cringed! I'd hate to have Symbols of America associated with this particular song. It is quite dark, and is of a brown shirt Nazi singing of his 'Homeland' -one that is Arian, and void of 'others'. I don't think matt605 meant it to reflect the intent of the song, which is quite disturbing if you know the history. The number of Anti-Semitists, Gay remarks, etc. show just how far we have yet to come. THAT is the scary thing about this! HIstory can repeat itself.
sandrawg1 1 year ago
We sang this version in our production.... except with sopranos and altos not tenor and basses.... it's the best version out of the lot of them if you ask me....
ValkyrieTempest 1 year ago
The scary thing is that just about sums it up :-/
MrPuplett 1 year ago
I used to listen to this version of the musical as a kid & grew up thinking this was sung by monks...
nezzynez 1 year ago
lol are we trying to comare nazi germany to america? LOL i love it. That's classic!
ttsm1 1 year ago
Well done! I adore this song and your use of images added to my enjoyment.
rdefrees 1 year ago
I wonder abut Adolf Hitlers deteriorating health and the sort of "quack" doctor he had, I am interested in the thesis that Hitler won and then lost the war, long before American involvement. It seems like, as I look at this from a far distant position, that Nazi Germany gave the people a sens of belonging, solidity, and purpose they had lacked before. Maybet some of the improvements and mental "community building" were good but the need to hand all ills on some scapegoat was its downfall.
MAc0ck 1 year ago
Wait a moment before you condemn things. See the image of America, specifically the U.S.A. in this piece. The music is nice and the images are nice. We all want to think we are doing the right thing. But the experience of people who had trusted us, like the American Indian, shows that we have turned our backs on morality to gain money and goods in to many cases.
This tune was written for a Broadway show and was never sun in Germany before that show in the 1970's . Learn from this.
MAc0ck 1 year ago
@MAc0ck 100% Agreed. Also, this song could never be a Nazi anthem for the fact that it was written by two homosexual Jewish men.
8bittrauma 1 year ago
@8bittrauma Saying there where no queer NAZIS? Or that JEWS didnt lend support at the start? Didnt Goebbles wanted Lang to head the German Film unit?
MrChrisHermes 1 year ago
@MrChrisHermes It was also written in the 1960s for a play that blatantly detests the Nazi movement.
8bittrauma 1 year ago
@8bittrauma Regardless-they certainly caught the spirit-the way it stirs the emotions, like DEUTSCHLAND UBER ALLES-same tricks that are used in mosques and churches up and down this planet...
MrChrisHermes 1 year ago
@MrChrisHermes You mean the Deutschlandlied? Uh, that's the National Anthem. I wouldn't equate it to a faux-Nazi Anthem.
8bittrauma 1 year ago
@8bittrauma My point being they managed to convey that same rousing quality in their faux anthem that is clear in the national anthem (the uncut version natch)-like the FRENCH anthem, that same uplift to the soul-which we in ENGLAND lack (GIVE US JERUSALEM as an anthem! BLAKE, the real ENGLISH prophet!).
MrChrisHermes 1 year ago
possibly tragically appropriate
susichie 1 year ago
It is definitely one of the most impressive songs of all time, and they made a masterpiece scene in the movie. It's so beautiful and terrifying at the same time that I can't help getting that chilling sensation every time I hear it.
Bajamamut 1 year ago
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HiSpeedDrifter 1 year ago
Well... At least they will not remove this one because of the pictures of america. I love this anthem so much!!! Hail from Poland!
TheMadCat1488 1 year ago
Oh the irony :)
scotland638 1 year ago
The Song was written for the film Caberet, by two Jewish men, And often Mistaken for the Hitler Youth Song, And mistaken for the National anthem, though it follows the same sort of tune. Just so's you all know.
rosieanneberry 1 year ago
LOL song about nazis with american pictures on it.
toddy47b 2 years ago
There is nothing about nazis in this song. Because it was written by music composer from Israel at 1966. It was never being song of the Germans, the lyrics were written as English first.
nickdobro 2 years ago
It's called irony
enigmaticatherealone 2 years ago
beyond irony
liquidyodel 2 years ago
So after being utterly humiliated, not getting a single fact right, and running from every question like a coward the debate is 'Over'? Fine by me, good luck with that 'degree' of yours.
If arguing about Hitler wasnt a priority, why did you come on and post insane lies about it in the first place?
CuiusRegio 2 years ago
thanks very much,
i hope its worth it in the end,
i cant wait to have that gap year i have been planning - i may just take a trip to Australia where my aunt and uncle live oh and go see a long dear friend of mine.
it should be swell
Galacticmaster 2 years ago
Do you actually want me to educate you here? Hitler was actually NOT elected to power, his part gained a minority 37%, and LOST popularity in the next election 33%, which was the last legitimate election in Germany. People voted for them because of fearmongering about the communists and the jews, as well as the promise to 'restore order'. Extreme radicals never get votes on centrist issues, you will learn that when you get out of first year.
CuiusRegio 2 years ago
i know about the 1million people working class and middle class voting for them,
the point is they were voted because of radical social change and a more conservative, Germany way of life, yes jew and communists too but they were never really a threat at all to Germany.
Galacticmaster 2 years ago
Oh my god it is so much fun watching you expose your stupidity.
Communism was never a threat to germany? So you know ALL about the failed communist coups in germany, or he fact that it had the same public popularity as the Nazis, and the massive street fights in major cities between communists and non? Wow it is fun watching you dig yourself deeper and deeper every time you post more uneducated drivel.
CuiusRegio 2 years ago
well actually you just said it was properganda made up by Hitler, fearmongering was it????, properganda was it????
anyway, im not bothered - what this got to do with life anyway, i simply making a remark to a video i was pleased in listening to
Galacticmaster 2 years ago
By the way, why do you keep running away from all those simple questions? Why every time I ask you to step up and justify your silly claims do you flee?
Please let us all know what aspects of nazi doctrine you foind so appealing. tell us which elements of the Nazis political order you think were so excellent.
Please.
CuiusRegio 2 years ago
Lazy fat yankism ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.....
phrayzar 2 years ago
Wow that was really, really good!
itsareligionofpeace 2 years ago
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Galacticmaster 2 years ago
Don't believe everything you read in the papers.
ZenPapageno 2 years ago
Galactic, thank you for showing us that though Nazism may be dead, astonishing stupidity is alive and well.
CuiusRegio 2 years ago
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Galacticmaster 2 years ago
Oh, you study history at university do you? Well I've been teaching history for a decade after getting my doctorate thanks, and I dont hate all, I only loathe liars who know fuck-all about history and then make up credentials to make their lies seem plausible.
The Nazis message was perfectly good? They 'did their duty' like 5 people? What book did you get that mindless drivel from? What was the per-person inductrial productivity of germany? What part of their 'message' did you love? Moron.
CuiusRegio 2 years ago
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Galacticmaster 2 years ago
I dont hate other people's thoughts. I hate other people's blatant stupidity and lies.
Name ne ONE Historian that agrees with that principle. Come on, 'countless' agree with your silly line of crap according to you (though you could not even answer basic questions about the economy or productivity), so name just ONE, I dare you. Well?
No historian agrees with your absurdist made up crap my sad young friend. Which 'conservative aspects' do you love about it? well?
CuiusRegio 2 years ago
My historian Pauline Elkes,
she wrote that the reason why people supported hilter and Nazism is because hitler stood for conservatism against modernisation and the influence of american culture.
and its not made up either, if it was made up why was hitler elected to power by legal means?
anyway its my opinion, i have talked this same thing over with all of my history lecturers they totally agree, that resistance was directed at the leadership, Nazism was only hated because of the deeds done
Galacticmaster 2 years ago
I mean an actual published expert in the field. Elkes isnt even a specialist in the war. But regardless, either she is full of crap or (more likely) you dont understand what she said. I also note you KEEP ignoring all of my questions about specifics of your 'opinions' why is that? can you not defend them? Do you not know enough about the field? Why do you keep ducking and fleeing from simple questions about YOUR claims?
'All your history lecturers' would be mad to hear you lying about them.
CuiusRegio 2 years ago
she is an expert, i will tell her you said that
lying about them, i had actual conversations with them in seminars and lectures they were doing on the university assignment.
the assignment was based on hitlers claim to power and properganda in the interwar period.
what dont you get, they accept my opinion as another view point you can take on WW2 Germany
Galacticmaster 2 years ago
PLEASE tell her that. Tell her you were posting online that SHE said Nazism was good just with bad leadership, that the people were 5x as productive as other countries, that there Nazism had decent and reasonable conservative principles. i DARE you to tell her that, see how quickly you fail. because its not an 'opinion', its just random idiocy based on a staggering lack of knowledge of the topic.
Still unable to answer a single one of my very basic questions about your claims? Thats just sad.
CuiusRegio 2 years ago
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Galacticmaster 2 years ago
This could have been done well by putting nationalistic images from different countries, including the USA. This video is just air-headed America bashing.
ZenPapageno 2 years ago
Germany at the time was in a state of depression..and songs like this were meant to keep the hope of a better tomorrow...never underestmate the strength of songs they can get people moving ....
billythedoggie 2 years ago
Sorry, wrong. This song was written for the musical Cabaret, by two Jewish song writers by the way. It's meaning is a warning about the rise of fascism in a democratic republic - pay attention to what Obama and lackies have planned for this once great republic and you'll understand how it could happen here.
BIRISHPM 2 years ago
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Galacticmaster 2 years ago
immense i think you mean
scottydog7 2 years ago
OMG - the USA hijack a song sung to represent the Nazi's in Caberet !!!!
Says it all !
casattheseaside 2 years ago
The USA. Gee, that's 300 f*cking million people. Do you think we are ALL utter morons?! Yeah, some of us got this bit of obscene irony from the word go. And--whatever our faults in recent years--we are not the f*cking Nazi's.
Christ!!
RobertMurph 2 years ago
HAHAHAHA GOT THEY ARE SO IGNORANT
MWK1303 2 years ago
Not ALL of us are Sir. I GOT it. And I am as Yankee as apple pie.
RobertMurph 2 years ago
Great juxtaposition. Good job.
AzorcSedz 2 years ago
i don't understand....
melty12 2 years ago
Typical American! This is a German SONG!!! From CABARET!! SET IN GERMANY!!! Keep your national anthems for your flag!
MagentaOrangex 2 years ago
This is one of the weirdest things I've seen lately. Are you actually comparing the USA with Nazi Germany and if so are you pro or anti American ? WTF?
rg31001 2 years ago
More or less...You're all bored with the issue of the flag and all the patriotic theme, you bored the world
Leaolso 2 years ago
God bless Confederacy.
Fuck yankees!!!
lumendei 2 years ago
Uhm, last time I checked there, Johnny Reb, you and I were countrymen.
RobertMurph 2 years ago
I hate this yankee nation, And everything they've do,
I hate the Declaration, Of Independence too,
I hate the glorious Union,'Tis dripping with our blood,
And I hate the striped banner, And fit it all I could...
piotrsyczak 2 years ago
And yet if you or your state were attacked, the entire Union, Yankee or not, would rise to your defense. Please don't hate the Yankees. Hate your elected officials who sell our Constitutional liberties for a buck.
AmMedAss1 2 years ago
DIVIDE AND RULE!
A principle out of the time of the roman empire
Remember this when the next big bank rescue, paid by your taxes is coloured with patriotism
kissmewhereyoucan76 2 years ago
patriotism..Nationalism. i live in the UK where slowly but surely we are losing everthing which once made this a Great Country to live in....its all done i hang my head low and dont tell ppl where im from as its a shit pit for the EU to drop of all the scum...my old fought in the war against this.....and for what!!!!? it stinks just like our MPs
frog77 2 years ago
Patriotism is great, like family. Loving your own, nurturing, and enhancing them. Just because Nazis were Nazis doesn't make loving your extended family wrong. You can be a Nazi about it or wise. But we're going to make everybody out a Nazi because it makes one feel so superior. Pure ego to do that.
cottonfa 2 years ago
If Fred Ebb and John Kander, two great Americans who wrote Cabaret, knew what you've done, they'd tear you a new asshole.
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IserChris82 2 years ago
people catch that in a movie Nazis sang this song, so we compare to America. But Indians warred and enslaved each other, Europeans came and did the same, Arab slavetraders sold Africans to enslave, and the English hated the Irish and all hated Poles as Filipinos eat your dogs. We're human and brought over these prejudices. With a great Constitution and heritage we've come further than anyone in correcting fault and learning to live with one another. Beautiful song and video here.
cottonfa 2 years ago 2
@Klubkropotkin, my in laws, who were driven to nearly Nazi levels of nationalism, stood up and did the pledge of allegiance at a restaurant. Nationalism is an ugly thing, I agree.
@Derwille, the US, with its history of slavery and its history of genocide, deserves its patriotism as much as any other nation on earth...interpret it as you will.
@anyone else who does not see the irony in this song and its association with our country, or with any other country...I blame the teachers.
PrinceTheRipperBel7 2 years ago
i take the pledge, with hand on my heart i will uphold all that america stands for and will cast my eyes away from places like guantanimo where all the bad things happen like torture an stuff, after all they probably deserved eveything that was coming to them ? you reap what you sow,,,,,,,
tomorrow belongs to me,,,,,,,
MrNomadr 2 years ago
There is a difference between race-based nationalistic chauvinism and patriotism. America has earned and deserves its patriotism. Cults of personality are the real problem. In America, we are currently suffering from one of those.
DerWille1200 2 years ago 3
i take it your an american ? so when did you earn and deserve your patriotism ?
MrNomadr 2 years ago
"Patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel", ask Ollie North, Richard Nixon, or George Bush.
FEEDIDDLYDEE 2 years ago
Is Obama a patriot? No? Then he has no business as our President. Yes? Then he is a scoundrel. You're stuck in a pickle.
DerWille1200 2 years ago
What do you think of the "Patriot act"? Was J, Edger Hoover a patriot?
I'm not looking to pick a fight, I just believe patriotism is often used by governments of all persuasions to control people, often for nefarious purposes.
FEEDIDDLYDEE 2 years ago
Good point! This is a proposition with which I can have no quarrel. Well done.
DerWille1200 2 years ago
So very very true. In the film, nobody wanted gas chambers - they just wanted relief from the sweaty sleaze that preceded it. Who could resist such an appeal to innocent purity? Americans have never resisted it, not even seen how poisonous that pretty snake of absolute faith in 'Manifest Destiny' and 'independent will' really is.
Saiaton 2 years ago 7
@Saiaton : Is there really ANY difference between Tomorrow Belongs To Me and Rule Britannia? The latter was composed by a Scottish man in praise of being an ENGLISH slave. This second song is sung out triumphantly at the last night of the proms on English TV yet it is regarded as a song of oppression elsewhere, otherwise why did other countries pull out of the English Empire?
squirell1952 1 year ago
@squirell1952
None!
This song was a 'phony' composed for the musical, not a genuine Nazi song, but it shows how easily sentimental ideals can be corrupted to horror - and that is the USA, today's Nazis.
'Rule Britannia'? Most Brits cringe! America is the new British Empire, like Constantinople was the New Rome (and Moscow its successor)
The USA uses Sir Edward Elgar's hymn to the British Empire 'Pomp & Circumstance' at its college graduation, and 'God save the Queen' like Prussia & Germany.
Saiaton 1 year ago
Yup this song was composed by Jewish playwrights as a Nazi hymn for the movie 'Cabaret'. To see it associated with America gives me the shivers, whether it's beautiful or not...
Thorheld 2 years ago 3
But it is beautiful that's the genius of it. Spooky but true.
NastevilsBack 2 years ago 2
as the info on this video states, bad ideas often don't look like bad ideas. That can be true of many political ideas, even ideas that are not even close to naziism.
Liberalism often looks very good, but in practice and in the long run the social effects are not always good. Obama's hope and change campaign looked good, but in practice he has changed nothing. He has filled the government with partisans and unelected and unaccountable czars and spent more money than the entire iraq war already
jjmcoates 2 years ago
i'm pretty sure this music cames oryginaly from Hitlerjugend teams, so... it have no relation with free nations of USA, PATHETIC combination
ampulariaatgmail 2 years ago
Whatever!!! It IS a beautiful song! Who cares who wrote it, why, or when, or WHATEVER!!! Enjoy it.
GORTCLATUMIRADA 2 years ago
shows how the myth of the "nation" can be, and is, exploited by all states to justify their existence.
levdt 2 years ago
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Europeans are scared of everything anyway, so who cares if you're scared of the one that keeps bailing you out rather than the one that attacks. You're hopeless anyway.
cottonfa 2 years ago
Marvellous to see from comments that this songs use in Caberet is still having its effect. The irony then was none too subtle. The message still holds now as ever. Hideous things can be justified by means that seem squeaky clean. They did and they are.
jrdaw 2 years ago 7
tomorrow must not belong to you...and with "you" i mean USA...sorry...U$A...
there is only one Eagle...it is the one of the Impero Romano
I love my Country,so if you're proud to be American i can understand you...but you have to know(or maybe you already know this)that many people here in Europe are scared by America,because you have a lot of power,no problem,but the problem is the use of that power...please,take your eyes open...
saluti dall'Italia
Soraregna 2 years ago
Bravo Soraregna... as an American Ex Patriot living in Europe...i too am scared of my own country sometimes (most especially during the Bush/Cheney Regime. At least Italians and Germans learned from their mistakes... its seems America never learns from its mistakes.
Pisces31660 2 years ago
Americans learn fine -- it's the corporate swine & paid-for pols who keep us from acting on what we've learned.
We learned in the '30s that unbridled greed & unregulated firms lead to disaster. We created institutions (FDIC) and laws (Glass-Steagall) to keep it from happening again. They worked, too.
'Til we repealed them in the 80s and 90s. The housing bubble & collapse (& bailouts) were inevitable.
We couldn't even remember the S&L collapse of the 80s! We reap what they sow.
smartalek1 2 years ago
Holy hell, you guys, he's not insulting America by putting our nationalism to this song.
Yes, it was sung by german nazis as a rally song, but understand its HISTORY dammit.
The song was originally developed by Vikings, of course the words were much different and in a different language but the beat and the meaning were the same. Then the song was carried on by the yiddish(jews), and from there it was stolen by the Nazi's as their own. The song is about being confident in the road ahead.
BigLundi 2 years ago
Hehe, bad ideas never sound like bad ideas. No one would ever be fooled by a devil in red tights and carrying a pitchfork.
matt605 2 years ago
BigLundi
I dispair for the younger generation. Do you have any education? This song was written by two gay American jews for the stage show.
davmccorm 2 years ago 3
no..it wasn't...besides I am 18 and have the education of an 18 year old, as in i graduated high school and am moving onto college. The sog was NOT written for a stage show originally...it was ADAPTED to fit the stage show, big difference.
BigLundi 2 years ago
well you are both right.. indeed the song was written then adapted into the 1966 stage production however if you meant that it wasn't written by two gay jewish guys then you would be mistaken a well.. For sure Kander and Ebb were gay and jewish (both irrelevent matters as far as i'm concered. Where r u going to school Biglundi? i went to school of drama music in NYC n London. Now live in Europe.
Pisces31660 2 years ago 2
I don't go to a drama school, I learned what I learned from when I did Cabaret at my Communty Theatre League and our german dialect coach told us the history of the song. I frst heard anit and thoguht, "What a beautiful song." then one of the other guys informed me that it was a Nazi March song, and before that it was yiddish and belonged to the jewish peoples.
BigLundi 2 years ago
How can this be irrevelent? This tune has been embraced by all the nazi mongrels that walk the earth and yet was composed by the people they most despise! How comic.
klubKropotkin 2 years ago
god you're ignorant, I'm just going to stop replying to your idiocy, I know I'm right, and that you're wrong, so say what you wish fromm now on.
BigLundi 2 years ago
LOL u r correct...Kander and Ebb were two gay american jews. Bravo for telling it like it is.
Pisces31660 2 years ago
i love this song madly.
ilovecrissangel69 2 years ago
you realize...this song was used as a Nazi Rally song in Cabaret right?
WyrdSpooky 2 years ago
I think this is offensive in that you are equating American patriotism to Nazi Nationalism. We were just as patriotic when we were at war with Nazi Germany. I think liberalism has it's own similarities to Nazism in that it permeates the news media, schools and government molding it own utopian views upon it's people at the expense of individual liberty. It is liberals that use government to limit our freedoms.
Johnnyqwest1 2 years ago
Nazis invaded countries that had not attacked them. How do you get the people to fight a war of aggression? Mostly, you can't. That's why we fought a "pre-emptive" war.
matt605 2 years ago
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both I and II w. w. were caused not by Germany but by the allies. for ex in II w. w. it was france and great britain first to declare war on germany and when hitler looked for peace with the english they refused twice...
gothikaceltic 1 year ago
@gothikaceltic
sure but they had invaded Poland and annexed Austria. Hitler was fighting a war of conquest across Europe just as Napolean had done about 100 year before him. He waged his war against Germany's traditional enemies in Europe -- Russia, France, and Britain. You're right Britain wouldn't make peace... it was their objective to destroy Germany and the country was divided between Russia and America for half a century. The aggression-concession-consolidation plot was defeated.
matt605 1 year ago
@gothikaceltic
sure but they had invaded Poland and annexed Austria. Hitler was fighting a war of conquest across Europe just as Napolean had done about 100 years before him. He waged his war against Germany's traditional enemies in Europe -- Russia, France, and Britain. You're right Britain wouldn't make peace... it was their objective to destroy Germany and the country was divided between Russia and America for half a century. The aggression-concession-consolidation plot was defeated.
matt605 1 year ago
@gothikaceltic Bullshit,try reading a history book.The only reason France and Britain declred war was because Germany invaded Poland.And England refused to make a "peace" deal with the nazis as the rest of europe would have been under nazi subjugation.
scotland638 1 year ago
we're doing cabaret at my school right now, like literally, i'm about to go to rehearsal ahhaha.
this song is so beautifully tragic. its really beauitful music, but the messages behind it are so dark. they make you think twice about everything that youve learned growing up.
sccrsweetie145 2 years ago
yeah I think this song is more authentic to the Geman experience -- nobody gives their lives to a bad cause.
matt605 2 years ago
scary video, scary message.
purelyshameless 2 years ago
I should wonder how it is a scary message...to be confident in the road ahead of you is scary?
BigLundi 2 years ago
the stag in the forest run free
but gather together to greet the storm
tomorrow belongs to me
=
goose-stepping is natural
matt605 2 years ago
mat605
Your comment(?) clearly demonstrates the problem with education. Quotating some lines followed by a pathetic = well I am sorry is this the limit of your historical knowledge? As I said you (U sic) are a poorly educated, person
davmccorm 2 years ago
Hehe
matt605 2 years ago
palestine, pakistan, and most african nations with their incessant almost constant state of civil and intertribal warfare.
jaishua 2 years ago
Yes, i agree but you mentioned two important words, civil war. And the US like to intervene in these wars too. Bosnia, Panama, Granada.
fenestrae 2 years ago
Well said!
KC8YOQ 2 years ago
Patriotism or just war mongers?
Name a country other then the USA that has fought more wars since WW2?
Can't think of one? That is because there isn't a country that has fought more wars!
Makes you think, doesn't it?
Korea, Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, Panama, Granada, Iraq 2x, Bosnia, Afganistan.
fenestrae 2 years ago
How many countries have been attacked more than the USA, you fucking idiot.
essex36 2 years ago
"How many countries have been attacked more than the USA, you fucking idiot."
That's like asking why the boy who pokes the bees nest with a stick is the one that gets stung.
Splongy 2 years ago
Oh really? So Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Granada, Bosnia, Iraq, they were all poking stricks in the bees nest, that being the USA? I suggest to read your history books again and then place your remarks here.
fenestrae 2 years ago
"Oh really? So Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Granada, Bosnia, Iraq, they were all poking stricks in the bees nest, that being the USA? I suggest to read your history books again and then place your remarks here."
No. The person I was replying to was defending the US, saying they've been involved in more wars because they've been attacked the most. It was the US who, in my analogy, has been poking sticks at bees nests.
Splongy 2 years ago
...and then wondering why it gets stung.
Splongy 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more. We the (US) spend all of our time judging the world by a double standard and get upset when people hate us
rank0664 2 years ago
You can always spot the assholes on these boards whose Green Card Application was rejected.
essex36 2 years ago
or maybe they're just expressing their views, i mean u can't really call yourself an american if u don't allow other people to do that
wickeddude789 2 years ago
Bravo wickeddude!!! u hit it right on to the dimwit "essex36" Americans just talk about freedom & equality while Canada, West/Central Europe actually LIVE equality (i say this as an american (currntly expat) Living in Europe not only opened my eyes n mind but confirmed what i have felt all along. Thx again.
Pisces31660 2 years ago
Soviet Union/Russia: has been in armed conflict with S.Korea, Hungary, S.Vietnam, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, Chechnia, Georgia, as well as with its own people. It's also been the largest supplier of arms to all the Middle East despots who have made war with the people of Israel for the last 40+ years.
bindagr 2 years ago
Are you referring to the same people that drove the arabs out of there villiages and farms in the first place, so they could use it for themselfs, and afterwards start complaining that his leads to agression?!
And at the same time started to erect the state of Israel en now deny the arabs of that same right !? In fact, I am starting to believe that they have created their own concentration camps.
fenestrae 2 years ago
Binstence's admirable fervour is so very reminiscent of the blind faith of the Hitler Youth. It's really quite touching.
Only joking, but I do fear he/she misunderstood the video... The US is known for its values of "hope and promise" - the "American Dream", if you will. When Hitler first began his rise to power, he seemed to offer the very same "hope and promise" to Germany, that had been absent since the first world war, when the country became the scapegoat of all troubles and was left in..
Splongy 3 years ago
[post continued]...poverty.
The video suggests that, despite mankind's best efforts, evil lies in noble intentions or under the guise of such.
Even if you do not believe that atrocities have yet been committed under the proud banner of the American flag, that does not mean to say that they won't.
It is possibly an unnerving parallel, but not an unfair one.
Splongy 3 years ago
The role of oil as a strategic resource has been well known since America won the Battle of the Buldge, one of the last major battles of WW2. Iraq is second only to Saudi Arabia for oil reserves.
matt605 3 years ago
Hyper-nationalism always preceeds big mistakes. In the 1930s, Germany was afraid of running out of food. So it invaded Poland. In the 2000s, America was afaid of running out of oil. So it invaded Iraq. What part of defending the US Constitution required America to invade Iraq?
matt605 3 years ago
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Whitey better wake up! For the first time in history a superpower is being run by a non-white. We're about to get jobbed. Ammo is all bought up and guns are back ordered. Got mine! When this shit starts and you know it will it'll be worse than Chechnya
BadKarma556 3 years ago
Today our world is degenerated, corrupt.
Hard core porn everywhere.
Stupid, vulgar Hollywood movies.
Wall Street - Goldman Sachs - financial pyramid schemes.
Corrupt politicians, endless Neo Con wars. Homosexual marriage, Afrocentric marxist cults, disguised as Christian Churches.The present looks horrible. But...Tomorrow belongs to me. Our youth will have a great future.
johnrobinsonh 3 years ago
you're incredibly stupid
MarmiteFerret 3 years ago
Hell, i can´t find the Rhine river in America...where could it be?? Alaska maybe?
hellcatz88 3 years ago