CBC Newsworld-28 June, 2009-Pablo Policzer comments on the Honduras coup

[striker440]

what i dont understand is how could most people call the current goverment of honduras a threat to democracy if they appointed a interim president and planned to have presidential elections earlier than expected?

[drizztf88]

The people of Honduras support their LEGAL, elected president.

That's why the military and the fascists had to perform a COUP!

SOLIDARITY to the people of Honduras!

[soundmoneyfan]

wow you have no idea what is going on down there do you? he was trying to do was illegal. him being sent off was ta good thing. You are believing the media too much my friend

[drizztf88]

Yeah right... If that what you say...

It doesn't matter that the democratically elected president, who has the popular support was kidnapped and exiled.

that democracy has been seized, that the new ''government'' has censored the media and the internet and that they have banned the people fromgoing out of their homes at night...

SO MUCH FOR YOUR RESPECT OF DEMOCRACY...

[soundmoneyfan]

if a president is going to change the Constitution without using the proper channels, he deserves to be shipped out in his PJs. Did you even know that this all started b/c he never submitted a budget to congress over a year ago and has been spending money off the books? Wire tapping the country? Taking money from Chavez and not giving it to his people? Do you know ANYTHING about Honduras?

[drizztf88]

But the only thing he scheduled was a poll, in no way did he bypass the constution.

Again, if what you say is true, the people could vote him out in elections. But that didn't seem likely so let's stage a coup, right? Democracy...? Huh...???

[soundmoneyfan]

you seem more mad about this than me and I have a Honduran family for my in-laws, haha. He wanted to control all the information in the country like Chavez can.  Do you think Chavez will be voted out? NO, b/c he controls the vote counting

[drizztf88]

Wire tapping... you serious? don't get me started on Bush and all the civil liberties he restrained...

[soundmoneyfan]

what's your the point, i hated bush too. the difference between Honduras and America is that is not full of fat lazy people that will not fight for their rights. of course there are people that liked the guy, but he was not liked by the majority after two years of him going crazy. the man loots the treasury and had no budget for the money he was spending. not even bush did that!!

[drizztf88]

my point is that: if he was a bad president, it was in the people's hand to vote him out.

That was not the case in Honduras, the people did not do anything.

It is more than clear that the army staged a COUP.

[soundmoneyfan]

answer me this before I show you again that you have no idea what you are talking about....

Do you think the people of Venezuela could vote out Chavez if they wanted?

[drizztf88]

In 2002, the excact same thing happened to Chavez. He was kidnapped, and exiled after a plot conducted by some venezuelan military and the media.

Fortunately, the coup lasted only one day, cause the people of Venezuella took thir streets and restored their LEGAL president.

[drizztf88]

Of course they could, truth is a couple of years ago Chavez narrowly lost a referendum, which he won recently, But there really is no way to know now, since Chavez has a vast support from his people.

[soundmoneyfan]

wow, so you believe the state run Venezuelan news?? Chavez controlls everything. i guess you think everyone in north korea loves kim jon ill too huh? you are lost cause, i will no longer offer you my insight into the region in which i lived for 12 years. most of that was spent in honduras where i met my wife. you seem to like the Chavez news channel better.

[drizztf88]

No I believe to the poor people of Venezuella who overwhelmingly keep supporting Chavez.

They have to know something too......

[drizztf88]

You must also believe that Pinochet was trying to protevt democracy in his country...

[soundmoneyfan]

sure buddy whatever makes you feel better. you are on the wrong side on the Hondurian people, so have fun with that!

[drizztf88]

anyways, this ''government'' only has 1 day... we'll see...

[drizztf88]

and he did nothing illegal, he only scheduled a POLL to learn the people's opinion on planned constitutional changes. there is no FUCKIN way, as much bullshit as they say, that a POLL could be illegal.

the only illegal is the present ''govenment''

[soundmoneyfan]

He was going to control the poll and the results, and then after that he was going to use the results to ensure that he could keep power and be able to spend money with no budget and give money to his friends. He is not liked by the majority. You will only know this if you know people from Honduras.

[drizztf88]

If he was not liked by the majority,as you say, then why didn't they allow the people to vote and show their discontent.

Oh wait... that's beacuse he would win, and it would be proved that the people support him.

[soundmoneyfan]

b/c he was going to control ALL levels of the polling. He was going to count the votes himself with NO OVER SIGHT......have you caught on yet? you have bought the media lie. the US doesn't want to piss off Chavez

[drizztf88]

Yeah right... he would count the votes himself...

with the military, the fascist elites,and members of his party agaisnt him... right...

thank god they have a government now that will respect democracy... riiiight.....

[soundmoneyfan]

okay, i'll tell my wife that some jack ass on youtube knows more about her country than she does.......thank you haha,

[drizztf88]

The point is not to where someone is from, but rather if he respects democracy or not...

clear...

[soundmoneyfan]

the point, jack ass, is you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. You watch a few youtubes and you think you know about Hondurian politics, haha.

[drizztf88]

Obviously, when we are exchanging comments on youtube, there is no way to prove our knowlegde on things or our intelligence....

So I will not bother to prove anything to you, or call you jackass.

I just say that I support democracy and a COUP is definately a blow to democracy.

[soundmoneyfan]

sorry to call you names, but my house has been very heated with all of this going on. if you inderstood the situation, you would know that Manuel Zelaya was trying to undermind the democratic process. There was no time to waste to let him have a Chavez-like power grab. After the power grab, you can't get rid of these type of leaders, they did the right thing!

[drizztf88]

You understand that this kind of thinking is what leads to totalitarianism, don't you. this no time to waste argument. like in the ussr it was the peoples of the enemy, in the us, chile etc the red, for the nazis thejews etc

[jamspooge86]

yeah a non binding vote on the constitution is what actually happened.. it wasnt going to become law even if the people voted for it so no they did the wrong thing.. Look at the US State department website calling the Supreme court of honduras highly politicized and corrupt.

[soundmoneyfan]

it was not a cope, the gov't was not over thrown, just a man in a gov't job was tossed out. now that the dust has cleared, independent thinkers in the US now side with the new president. Zalaya was using Chevez's playbook for how to grab power, do you think how Chevez came to power was a lawful and good thing? do you think the people of Honduras want a Chevez wanna-be running their country? when you say "it was not going to become law" means you know about the chevez playbook, read up

[jamspooge86]

tell me what social class of society your wife comes from? rich? poor? i would like to know.

[soundmoneyfan]

la familia de mi esposa es de clase media alta, pero no es ni significa rico, si no puede leer esto en español que pude menos la atención sobre lo que pensar en Honduras

[soundmoneyfan]

If he was not a puppet of Chavez, the US would take a different stance. But Chavez has oil and Obama doesn't want to have the same relationship with Chavez as Bush did, a bad relationship.

[dberk27]

Las ordenes fueron claros: Paso por la fiscalia Paso por el congreso Paso por la corte y corte supremo Paso por el ministerio publico Encuestas en internet 80 % en contra Marchas publicas masivas

[dberk27]

GOLPE DE ESTADO EN HONDURAS(perspectiva de un Norte Americano viviendo en Honduas).

A quien les interesa:

A veces hay que usar la historia para tomar decisiones y evitar toda los tramites protocolarios para resolver situaciones peligrosas. TODOS los hondurenos (y gringos) estimo un 80 %, quisimos substituir al "presidente" Zelaya....y no habia mas tiempo (ya estuvo 24 meses complicando las vidas de todos) no es como CNN y otros instituciones lo publican.

[Cyclovenom]

A coup is not LEGAL!!. Democracy cannot survive in a state of coup!

[WA4RRN]

NO, Cyclovenom...A "democracy" cannot...a REPUBLIC can...

DO you comprehend the difference???

[pacorod]

This was NOT a COUP!! Get that through your thick skull! The military hasn't taken over the powers of the state! The military merely arrested the president and exiled him! They acted according to law, as both the congress and the supreme court emitted orders to capture the president for ILLEGAL activities and for polarizing the population! Exiling him was the best and safest option, since if he had remained here he probably would have been assasinated. We hate the bastard!

[jamspooge86]

yeah and the military there is not largely the instrument of the rich class.. pull your head out of your ass buddy-look at the US state department report on the governance and corruption issues in Honduras.. noting that the Supreme court is HIGHLY POLITICIZED and CORRUPT and by the way the referendum was a non binding opinion poll to see if hondurans wanted to overhaul the constitution.. asking them first and not acting out of line

[pacorod]

The armed forces of Honduras were acting legally. This was not a coup...the armed forces were following and order emitted by the supreme court and the congress to oust the president, as he was breaking the constitutional order by holding an illegal and completely untransparent referendum. Please inform yourself before making up your mind.

[LosDeXibalbaMC]

Please inform yourself, the army acted BEFORE the vote took place in congress, are they clairvoyant? Additionally, the referendum was a Non Binding referendum. The Honduras Courts, said the referendum was illegal, so it should not have gone forward. So both sides are acting illegally.

[pacorod]

this is not true. the army acted as the poll started. the poll lacked any transparency whatsoever as the executive was acting a promoter and judge. furthermore, there were several reports that employees of the government were being forced to support the poll, or else they would lose their jobs. How's this for illegality: sick and wounded were being turned down from state hospitals unless they signed their support for the ballot. This was a clear violation of human rights and a disgrace for Mel

[WA4RRN]

LosDeXibalbaMC,,,WHAT vote in congress???

[WA4RRN]

pacorod...I have personal interests in Honduras and find myself AMAZED with jusy how our Department of State (Billary Clinton) would interfere with Honduran INTERNAL PROBLEMS...being so hesitant in speaking up concerning IRAN RAGHEAD's atrocities!!!

[pacorod]

Hillary Clinton at first was firm in her stance, believing it was a coup d'etat by the military to install themselves in power. However, as facts have emerged, she recently stated she would abstain from calling it a coup (washington post article, I believe). Slowly, the truth is being known. People are starting to realize that this was the ouster of a tyrant who wanted to perpetuate himself in power, veiled in an illegal and untransparent "democratic" process that was the referendum.

[dcstudent1]

lets hope the international community stands firm in condeming and not recognizing this illegal coup.

[WA4RRN]

dcstudent1...I can hardly claim to understand all of HONDURAN LAW...JEZZ, I have problems understanding AMERICAN LAW!!!

Now,,,How about you "educating" me about how Hondurans rescuing there Country from a mentally ill RED, like Chavez, was ILLEGAL???