Negreanu fails to durrrr durrrr for a 400 000$ pot High Stakes Poker

[ANormalGuy]

What are the chances that Daniel has something that could beat dwan's hand? Its not that it was a bad bluff, but the timing to do a bluff was just so wrong.

[chrisvarns]

Why on earth did dwan check the river?

[roell29]

@chrisvarns Took pity on him. When someone makes a total misread the pros don't usually try to milk them for their last dollar, unless there's bad blood between them. Professional courtesy. All the more embarrassing for Negreanu though.

[roell29]

@roell29 In a private game it might be different, but this is mostly entertainment. They don't want to look overly greedy.

[TheKScott89]

@roell29 I think it's more like: Negreanu played it like nuts or nothing, since Dwan has the nuts, when he checks the river and Negreanu has nothing(or shit, see above.) He'll try to bluff, and if Negreanu does indeed have a hand worth value, Dwan can check raise. But what can Dwan expect to call a river bet, that wouldn't be betting anyways, so you check and give the guy some rope with whatever 2 cards he happens to hold. Dwan is cut-throat, I don't think it was a courtesy check, lol.

[roell29]

@TheKScott89 Ok, the way I see it...after Negreanu bets half his stack on the turn and gets called, Dwan would have figured it highly unlikely that Negreanu would push his last 140k on the river with anything less than AK. So if Negreanu has any kind of hand (which he doesn't), Dwan (If he wants to maximize his yield) could make a value bet of, say 50k, on the river and Negreanu will have to pay him off. That would have been the cut-throat play, I think.

[roell29]

@TheKScott89 Ok, the way I see it...after Negreanu bets half his stack on the turn and gets called, Dwan would have figured it highly unlikely that Negreanu would push his last 140k on the river with anything less than AK. So if Negreanu has any kind of hand (which he doesn't), Dwan (If he wants to maximize his yield) could make a value bet of, say 50k, on the river and Negreanu will have to pay him off. That would have been the cut-throat play, I think.

[TheKScott89]

@roell29 But that river bet of 50k only gets called when negreanu has a decent hand, when Dwan checks Negreanu can bluff, or value bet a hand that would've called or raise Dwan's bet anyways. the only bet Negreanu can even feasibly make given pot size, and his stack is allin. so allin bluff, or value bet with AJ,JJ,AT, there's a few hands that might just call 50k, but would bet more by itself. and most of negreanu's hands would fold for Dwans bet. A pro wouldn't check behind these hands.

[TheKScott89]

@roell29 And that way he can maybe bluff. if Dwan bets 50k, Negreanu can't try and push him off with only 100k more to raise, pot's already 420k before Negreanu's 100k raise, and Dwan makes it clear he's strong. betting 50k isn't cut-throat, it's stupid. the hands Negreanu would call that with, would bet more if you check to him, or he folds a hand he might have tried to bluff with. Cut-throat is checking the river.

[roell29]

@TheKScott89 Yeah but like I said, I think (and I think Dwan thought) that the chances of Negreanu pushing again on the river were negligible - only chance is if he has AK, and then it's a split. Negreanu says at the end that he "knew" Dwan had what he was pretending to have - AK. By "cut-throat", I mean it would be the play to extract maximum value, but it look too money grubby for TV.

[TheKScott89]

@roell29 And yes, the show is for entertainment. People want to see the pros play poker like the pros that they are. Professional poker players love the game, play for fun, but also make a ton of money doing it, and the point is to play your best, and make the most you can,and/or lose the minimum. They are all there to make money,they don't look greedy; THEY ALL sitdown with the same amount, ready to play,ready to maybe lose, but to hopefully make a ton of money,and own the show. Dwan Is Hungry.

[roell29]

@TheKScott89 Of course they play their best. They can still be a bit more friendly for TV vs. a private cash game. At these rarefied heights, different factors come into play. They are personalities and their income depends on their likability - whether people will want to see them play on TV. I don't think Dwan in "hungry". He already has it made. He just loves the game. It's not like the old days. Dwan is never going to go bust. He is well paid for just showing up at these gigs.

[1jasonsmith]

what kind of toaster did you record this with?

[palfyy123]

"and daniel hits the bottle" hahah

[truth3253]

this hand proves poker is nothing but luck no skill at all.if you have the nuts where is the skill in that. no such thing as poker pro its a game of luck full sop

[s9hillbomber]

@truth3253 youre a clown

[truth3253]

@s9hillbomber you cant handle the truth.poker=luck. golf is skill so is tennis not poker how can you beat luck fool

[Husapi]

@truth3253 lol, you are a religious man.

Thats why you say things without solid arguments

do you know how many scientific research has proven that poker is way more skill than "luck"?

"this hand proves" this hand proves nothing, Dwan image helped him to win more, and you cannot build an image based on luck.

IMSA (International Mind Sport Associaton) recognizes poker as a mind sport.

While some random muslim says poker is luck.

i guess you believe that poker is luck based on "faith".

[truth3253]

@Husapi hello the pros would tell you its 75/100 is luck lol

[Husapi]

@truth3253 Rly? Prove it. Who says that? Sources? Who are "the pros"?



[truth3253]

@Husapi prove it ask any pro you like. so if a flop a full house thats skill. lol your blind you cant beat luck. look at the guy who come2 in 2009 wsop he had no idea all luck. so if i push with aa and you call me with kk and you hit the k for your set is that skill or luck

[Husapi]

@truth3253 Flopping a full house happens 1087 to 1, and good players are going to maximize value with those hands while bad players are going to minimize it. If you have A/A vs K/K, thats a cooler, i cannot have more chances to be the one with A/A vs K/K than the one with K/K vs A/A. and losing beign 80% favorite is far from impossible

Darvin Moon has no idea about poker? you are a pro who knows Nash Equilibrium, Fold Equity, Pot Equity, Bluff Outs and all those advanced concepts, right?

[truth3253]

@Husapi listen mate i no the odds. but odds or no odds it happens and when the luck is on your side it happens alot.. you still did not answer my question about kk beats aa is it skill or luck ? mr moon call with Qj an all in 40% of his stack and lost and your saying his got skills are you joking . moon = luck poker =luck. look there is some skill in poker but i rather be lucky. because you cant beat luck

[Husapi]

@truth3253 Luck doesn't exist is only your perception when a positive or negative event happens, and anyway that is subjective.

"Luck" plays a second role in poker, And Darvin Moon is a good player overall. Your Q/J example could work to assume that Moon is an inexperienced heads up player, but nothing else.

I can't understand your example of K/K Beating A/A. some 20% hand winning should prove that poker is "just luck"?

[truth3253]

@Husapi no point talking to someone who thinks moon is a good player. calling and all in with Qj and you say his a good player you have no idea about poker

[Husapi]

@truth3253 What books have you read? Do you know how to use Nash Equilibrium Right? If you say "Poker is just luck", how someone can be good and someone can be bad?

I doubt you are in position to "know" who is good and who is bad at poker.

[ShatiWorks]

IF you pay attention to how much dwan bets- he's a genius.

[MCHellraiser88]

I love how everyone here is bashing Dwan for not betting the river. Honestly, What hand is ever gonna call? Only MAYBE the same hands that would bet after a check anyway, such as A-Q, A-J, or JJ. When you have the board crushed with a boat like this and you know it, the ONLY way you're making money is by giving the other player a chance to bluff. That's why Dwan checked. My god Youtubers are so stupid. I doubt many of you can even win at $1-$2. Whenever these people have the nuts they're all in.

[manado2000]

it's show that even daniel negreanu ,!!! can't even read people all the Time ,,,!!!

that's a fact : Yum Yum ,,,, kaplan ,,,haha

[bobfakkel]

T: How much more do you have?

D: About 140 cough

Daniel probably thought bye bye money :')

[rickybobby5150]

And Daniel hits the bottle

[Cadillac1944]

u guys should be makin' instructional videos, not givin' it away for free on youtube comments

[braccio01]

ahha

[braccio01]

there are better player at 5$sit go than 500/1000

[djpj1111]

nice slideshow

[pufifa]

↓↓ 150$

[sulorac1]

3bet/push turn.

[2tame4fame]

the MASTER move is when Dwan bets the turn, continuing to tell Daniel that he is only bluffing and reinforcing his believe! if Dwan checked the turn I guarantee you that Daniel would have checked back with suspicion.

[Kirzen]

He should honestly have pushed the river hard. Checking there was probably a terrible mistake unless his intention was to show his cards and give himself some momentum for a bluff fest for the rest of the night. With his reputation for being frisky he should have raised hard just like he would play a bluff.

Either Daniel would have called and he'd have soaked him for a -lot- more chips, or Daniel would fold and they'd never know if he was truly bluffing... his check there was very non-durr.

[staxstix]

@Kirzen i agree.

[gucylucy24]

I think it would've been better to raise the turn all in there.The least Daniel is representing is trip aces.. and more likely a full house. f he does has air,Daniel is good enough to know that Tom isnt going to fold to a 140,000 river bet after puttin so much in the pot. plus,by raising the turn, he knows daniel knows that he is capable of reading Daniel as weak so Daniel can potentially credit Dwan for a bluf f(unlike if he just calls the turn) so Daniel could call off his chips weak! possibly

[teogialigous]

I think the word ''durrrr'' should be included in dictionaries from now on

[snapsalot]

@onlypedro i don't think anyone would misunderstand the title.

[NOTy0urPUPPET]

HAHAHAHAHAHA, NEGRANU LOOKED LIKE HE WAS GONNA CRY, ROTFLMFAO

[lewnik69]

dwan is incredibly good ...daniel called pre flop cos he took dwans raise personal and let him get to him

[toptenguy1]

As usual, eeeeeverything works out for Durrrr... When he's bluffing, his opponents happen to have nothing, when they make a bold move on him, that just HAPPENS to be when he has the nuts... *sigh*

It's not ALL reads. there IS a big luck/guessing factor too, even for top pros. It just always ends up falling Dwan's way, makes me sick!

[FroztDrake]

@toptenguy1 wtf.... ? u sir are crazy

[toptenguy1]

@FroztDrake The blindness of durrrrr worshippers never ceases to amaze me. They truly believe that Tom Dwan is infinitely more talented than the OTHER TOP PLAYERS IN THE WORLD. It's Tom Dwan, then about 100 miles below, it's the 2nd best player in the world. NO LUCK IS INVOLVED AT ALL ... *shakes head* lol

[brightonrobby]

@onlypedro I didn't get it at first lol

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[Zynyster]

yam yam? lol

[ch1nn]

did you record this with your ass?

[jonh2o]

3:10 YUM YUM

[HashUurr]

@onlypedro ahaha durrrrr is a verb now DURRRRR

[Shadow766]

yum yum

[WeshiJatt]

kaplan: tom dwan says 'yam yam' :D

gabe is the best poker commentator

[tomwatson1]

@WeshiJatt you mean yum yum???? learn to spell

[Tibbettsify]

@WeshiJatt yum yum dummy

[favy086]

wtf dwan not betting the river with the nuts'??

[fred5644]

@favy086 Daniel had taking the betting lead and he was hoping he'd continue his bluff on the river

[TheOckawaga]

@favy086 he didnt have the nuts

[deunasolavez1]

@TheOckawaga um... yes he had

[TheOckawaga]

@deunasolavez1 oh well he wanted daniel to bet it so he could do a check raise most likely

[TheOckawaga]

@deunasolavez1 he wanted to get more money

[deunasolavez1]

@TheOckawaga dwan screw it, cause,if daniel had something like A trips he probably would call an average continue bet by dwan in the river,(but he will never bet on a check) if he was bluffing, he was not gonna bet that board(like it happen)and if he had something like straight or fullhouse, he will absolutely call or rise, (he had 2/3 of his chips in the pot already) so, a bet by dwan was the obvious move, but then again we have all the time in the world to analyze the play, they have seconds

[TheOckawaga]

@deunasolavez1 yeah now that i think about it, it was a bad play

[Vipersss1]

@deunasolavez1 No, I think you'll find he would value bet Straights and smaller Full Houses on the river for one very good reason - that Dwan only flatted the reraise on the turn. It implies he is slightly uncertain about his hand strength. It opens the door for weaker hands to alue bet the river when he checks - but opens the door for bluff reraises on the turn to fire at river with the one big bet that Daniel has left in his stack (which Dwan knows because he asked him what he had behind).

[bestpokercoach]

dwan is better than negreanu in my opinion

[AppleKidX]

If i had $5.00 for every pixel in this video, I would have $1.00.

[athriaxo]

@AppleKidX hahaha awesome comment! ill remember that one!

[Duzykutas]

Nice call pre with J8 Daniel

[odailoka]

@onlypedro care to explain?

[deunasolavez1]

@odailoka tom dwan play online with the alias of durrr, so everybody knows him by durrr, he is probably the best bluffer today(ever?), so when somebody is trying an insane bluff, its called a durrrr, so negreanu is trying to pull of a durrr on durrr :)

[rfwelsh]

Daniel has to be one of the most overrated players in the history of poker.

[rjohson]

@rfwelsh i agree with you i think they are all over rated danny played this hand like a complete donkey, he should of bailed out on the pre flop re raise

[VicenzoV]

@rjohson He made a mistake before that even... it was trying to attack Dwan's straddle.

[ColourboyMarkyboy]

Durrrr has such a HUGE edge of Negreanu. Way out of his depth. Heads up Dwan would make him cry

[fatman295]

lol, you had what i was pretending to have

[Jirobaay]

so why you wrote durrrr twice?

[asianmonk]

and Daniel hits the bottle 

[bestpokercoach]

You got durrrrred

[durrrred]

@onlypedro LOL

[deunasolavez1]

@durrrred the $400 000 is just  to juice up the title?

[Waidas211]

300k pot

[sunmutsison]

@Waidas211 383,4k pot

[korgotth]

ouch