Please stop all donations to Zimbabwe. Any website that has a supportZimbabwe must not be donated to. Funds ends up not for the people but for the leader Mugabe.
Even the sites that have by word or photo of Desmond Tutu that supportsZimbabwe are funds for Mugabe, and his one communist party.
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EH EH! Someone is an expert on Zimbabwe, check out the rigorous posts on here, I wish people would have more vigour in living life instead of being so negative about everything and everything.
Africa has got problems at the moment, so What? it is a phase, and it will pass, people will look back as say Never Again. Every dog has its day!
If you dont like it, get a life, go and live on the moon.
There are targeted sanctions against about 200 corrupt ZANU and government officials and their businesses. And even these sanctions are not UN endorsed. They are only by US and EU countries. This is why ZANU thieves, line Grace Mugabe can still travel to China and other countries. The poverty in Zimbabwe is not because of 'sanctions' that do not affect absolute majority of the people, but because ZANU destroyed private businesses and forced most of educated, productive people out of the country.
Once again, specifically for those who still does not get it: there are no sanctions against ordinary Zimbabweans. They can freely travel where they want. Compare it with sanctions against Rhodesia: Rhodesian passport has not been recognised by any country except SA. There are no sanctions against fair Zimbabwean businesses; they can freely export or import products. Compare it with sanctions on Rhodesia: all exports to Rhodesia and almost all imports have been fully banned by UN resolution.
Mugabe should be tried and hanged. In 1982 he started Gukurahundi - terror and murder of Ndebele people who did not want to align with ZANU. The scale of atrocities obscured Nazis: 3 FEB 1983: Mass beating of villagers and shooting of 2 young pregnant girls, followed by their being bayonetted open to reveal the still moving foetuses. 13 FEB 1983: Whole village beaten, and 7 shot dead, including a teacher, after digging their own grave. Witnesses refer to a fountain of blood from the pit.
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President Mugabe is and will always be a legend of the African people.
Every time you see pinks "whites" getting involved into African people affairs it is only to push their agenda of dominating us, ne-colonising us, and distributing pain to us.
so i wonder why are some Africans still not getting it?
is it because they watch pink "white" propanganda on TV more than they read real news or the internet about that criminal entity that illegally call itself white?
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There are no sanctions against Zimbabwe. Sanctions are targeted against about 200 corrupt ZANU officials, like former minister of women's affairs, Joyce Mujuru, who fraudulently received Z$389,472 from War Victims Compensations Fund prior its collapse in 1997 and leaving hundreds of thousand disabled without any means for existence. Mujuru received the money on the basis of 'poor vision' and 'mental stress disorder'. And these targeted sanctions are by US and EU only. China and SA are opened.
There are no sanctions against Zimbabwe. Sanctions are targeted against about 200 corrupt ZANU officials, like former minister of women's affairs, Joyce Mujuru, who fraudulently received Z$389,472 from War Victims Compensations Fund prior its collapse in 1997 and leaving hundreds of thousand disabled without any means for existence. Mujuru received the money on the basis of 'poor vision' and 'mental stress disorder'. And these targeted sanctions are by US and EU only. China and SA are opened.
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End the evil sanctions U.S , London , and Brussels.
The natural resources are supposed to benefit the the people of Zim, Mugabe is just doing what's right.Governments in the West just think about what you are doing to the innocent people of Zim.
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Znaika1: This constant harping that ZANU is Communist is a SAD way to DEMONIZE that party, inorder to refresh SMITH'S rhetoric that kept him suppressing Blacks for 15 years using international support he got by "SCARE-MONGERING TACTICS" saying Mugabe & Nkomo & Blacks are COMMUNISTS to torture & shoot to kill! Afterall China Communist country has traded with Africa for more than 50,000 years & China NEVER colonized Africa or enslaved Blacks but treated Africa with respect. Chinese NEVER RAPED
ZANU does not need to be demonized; it does the job very well itself. Can you imagine all these palaces that ZANU leaders live in? They cost tens of millions to build and millions in running expenses. Each of them took away from the people of Zimbabwe fully quipped and staffed hospital or several schools or a thousand of buses. I am not demonizing anyone, it's just plain arithmetic. Can you explain what for Gideon Gono needs more than 40 bedrooms? What do you call it? I say they are fat cats.
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Znaika1: This partnership is NEVER going to be "a transition of power from Mugabe to MDC." That is NEVER going to happen & to even dream of it, is beyond wishful thinking that negates REALITY. U say "power from Mugabe to MDC". That does not make sense. Mugabe will one day EXIT when his time to go comes, BUT ZANU will not go away like it or not. After 2 years if Mugabe runs for elections, other ZANU contestants might run too! If MDC wins, ZANU will NOT go. If ZANU wins, MDC will NOT go!
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Znaika1: Labeling & enticing people of Zimbabwe to break apart doesnt work in Zimbabwe! Learn history of Africa, colonial inflitration, colonial tools to divide & conquer, colonial ways to see Africa's leaders assassinated, colonial mentality to manipulate & cause havoc, colonial think tanks that take FEW & afford them US$10m to cause CHAOS in African sovereign entities due to international corporate greed! Communist vs anti-communist NOISE is tactic to divide & conquer & must END with SMITH!
I am not trying to break anything apart, mchigubu. Even if I was, it would be naive on my part to expect this forum to be an effective tool for that. All I am doing - expressing my opinion on things. And every my opinion may be wrong including this one :)
In this particular case my opinion is that ZANU and MDC can not form a functioning government because these two parties are dramatically different. So one or the other will need to go. My bet it will be ZANU. It is clear they are loosing.
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Znaika1: MDC has come to partner with ZANU! Read the news! Mugabe is President, Tsvangirai is Prime Minister! Heard of the saying: "If you can't beat them?" Its just about time to bury the appetite to DIVIDE & RULE TO SUPPRESS & CONQUER". Quit it! Zimbabwe needs unity between Tsvangirai & Mugabe, and let those Zimbabweans sort themselves out without outside interference! Try another country to patronize, divide, & conquer with partisan divisions! As matter of fact, ZANU will NEVER die
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Learn the history of Zimbabwe, mchigubu. There was another partnership in 1979: between Smith and Muzorewa. and just as the first one was short lived, this partnership can not last because none of ideological differences between communist ZANU and democratic MDC have been resolved. Imagine the cabinet where half of ministers are communists and another half are anti-communists. What kind of decisions can such a cabinet make? This partnership is a part of transition of power from Mugabe to MDC.
Learn the history of Zimbabwe, mchigubu. There was another partnership in 1979: between Smith and Muzorewa. and just as the first one was short lived, this partnership can not last because none of ideological differences between communist ZANU and democratic MDC have been resolved. Imagine the cabinet where half of ministers are communists and another half are anti-communists. What kind of decisions can such a cabinet make? This partnership is a part of transition of power from Mugabe to MDC.
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Ghost voters? Who cares, Mugabe is in power and there is nothing any country can do about it.
The corruption money from the west 10 million dollars for regime change isn't long enough to move Mugabe. Get over it England, there is nothing you can do.
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YES! Glorify your TYRANT IAN SMITH THE GUY WHO TOLD THE WORLD THAT BLACKS IN ZIMBABWE ARE BORN INFERIOR, AND MUST HAVE THEIR LAND & WEALTH BE ADMINISTERED BY HIM ALONE & HIS DESCENDANTS!
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Znaika1: U give the EXACT definition of RHODES & SMITH'S MOB behavior. Rhodes & Smith and his mobs ransacked MUNHUMUTAPA KINGDOM now ZIMBABWE, stealing gold, diamonds & humans, FAKING SIGNATURES & CONTRACTS to steal ZIMBABWE. Thats MOB STEALING STYLE Rhodes & SMITH used, by beating & even murdering TONS of Blacks who dared to resist being enslaved by SETTLER trickery, butchering Blacks who REVOLTED & refused FORCED LABOR or FORCED LAND GRAB or forced to mine DIAMONDS for SLAVE-MOB-MASTERS
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Certainly not Smith, ot else give credible proof.
The Rozwi kingdom did not exist by the time Rhodes arrived. It has already been destroyed by Zulu, including Ndebele. This was one of the reasons Rhodes had to sign the contract with Ndebele for mashonaland, because there was noone else to sign it with.
As for oppressing blacks during the times of Rhodes and shortly after, yes it was the case. However we can not judge people living long ago in terms of today's morality.
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Decent black families and youth are not "mobs". "Mobs" are those, who, regardless of their family status, flock together like a pack of hyenas with the purpose to attack their prey, to steal everything that can be sold: tools, household goods, even clothes and to vandalize the rest. They are a bunch of faceless thieves who under the disguise of restoring justice commit greatest injustice of robbing, beating and even murdering people who produce food, provide jobs and pay taxes. These are mobs.
Decent black families and youth are not "mobs". "Mobs" are those, who, regardless of their family status, flock together like a pack of hyenas with the purpose to attack their prey, to steal everything that can be sold: tools, household goods, even clothes and to vandalize the rest. They are a bunch of faceless thieves who under the disguise of restoring justice commit greatest injustice of robbing, beating and even murdering people who produce food, provide jobs and pay taxes. These are mobs.
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Znaika1: The ARROGANCE of calling Black families, youths, & children as (MOBS) reflects the ARROGANCE Rhodes & Smith used to describe natives as Settler Regime saw fit to grab Africa's land from owners & enslave natives to farm on SLAVE-HOLDERS' stolen land! Rhodes & Smith ruled with ARROGANCE & IGNORANCE, demeaning NATIVES by undermining their DIGNITY & by name-calling them as "MOBS" as today's bigots see fit & to extend that yesterday EU announced tightening SATANIC SANCTIONS on ZIMBABWE!
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Znaika1: Dont speak for Zimbabweans Abroad! Who returns to a country that's been deliberately PUT in JAIL by SATANIC SANCTIONS imposed on ZIMBABWE that destroy FAMILY INSTITUTIONS & WILL TO LIVE A NORMAL LIFE? HOW CAN ONE THROW A PYTHON, KING COBRA, BLACK MAMBA INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE & EXPECT THE HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS TO STAY IN THAT HOUSE? OF COURSE, ALL FROM THAT HOUSE WOULD RUN AWAY FOR SAFETY FROM THE SNAKES DELIBERATELY THROWN INTO THAT HOUSE! ITS INSULTING FOR u TO TALK 4 ZIMBABWEANS OK
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Are you still ranting about sanctions? I will tell you where the real problem is: there is no food because agriculture collapsed because farms do not work because mobs ruined them because ZANU called for a land grab because it was a effective measure to win black votes because Zimbabwe received a rule of largely ignorant majority because liberal governments of Wilson and Carter allowed it to happen, sacrificing common sense in favour of political correctness. The same is true for manufacturing.
Are you still ranting about sanctions? I will tell you where the real problem is: there is no food because agriculture collapsed because farms do not work because mobs ruined them because ZANU called for a land grab because it was a effective measure to win black votes because Zimbabwe received a rule of largely ignorant majority because liberal governments of Wilson and Carter allowed it to happen, sacrificing common sense in favour of political correctness. The same is true for manufacturing.
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Zimbabwean elites fail to return home due to SATANIC sanctions which are systematically causing huge BRAIN DRAIN, leaving EXTREMELY POOR MAJORITY UNDERCLASS stranded & strangled with SATANIC sanctions that have created a HUGE DIVIDE, HUGE DIGITAL DIVIDE between rich & poor. A FEW inside Zimbabwe & who have had ACCESS to US$10m, buy food at will while majority poor starve! External SECRET FUNDING of FEW ZIMs is CRIMINAL! Today EU tightened sanctions on ZIMBABWE & how EVIL does it have to be?
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Zimbabweans do not "fail" to return home, the do not want to return home due to the mess that ZANU and Mugabe have created in their country. There is nothing to eat, nowhere to work, closed schools and rampant diseases. Everyone except 200 corrupt officials is free to travel without restrictions. Compare it with true sanctions that have been imposed on Rhodesia in 1965: Rhodesian passport was not recognised anywhere except SA, ordinary Rhodesians could not travel on their passports.
Zimbabweans do not "fail" to return home, the do not want to return home due to the mess that ZANU and Mugabe have created in their country. There is nothing to eat, nowhere to work, closed schools and rampant diseases. Everyone except 200 corrupt officials is free to travel without restrictions. Compare it with true sanctions that have been imposed on Rhodesia in 1965: Rhodesian passport was not recognised anywhere except SA, ordinary Rhodesians could not travel on their passports.
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Znaika1: U assume every Black person has Inferiority Complex? That goes to show PHD earned from the RHODESIA SMITH SATANIC SCHOOL OF SYSTEMATIC SEGREGATION, SARCASM, SANCTIONS & STEREOTYPING OF BLACKS, WHILE PROTECTING WELL-INTENDED BIGOTS WHO ARE GRADUATES OF SATANIC SCHOOL OF NAMECALLING! ILL-GOTTEN! GUTS TO PROTECT A RACIST WHO'S SPREADING SUPREMACY BY CALLING BLACKS GORILLAS? TYPICAL OF SMITH'S SATANIC STEREOTYPING. WHAT A PHD THUS EARNED! ALL ABOUT BASHING BLACKS & HATE-MONGERING!
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What rubbish. Whites, blacks... Who cares about the skin pigmentation? There are professional and civilized people of all colours and there are barbarians of all colors. For historical reasons in Zim educated and professional people were mostly white. Educated people, black and white, left Zimbabwe not because it is ruled by blacks, but because it is ruled by criminals that ruined the country and now appeasing uneducated majority with false promises and diverting their anger to wrong direction.
What rubbish. Whites, blacks... Who cares about the skin pigmentation? There are professional and civilized people of all colours and there are barbarians of all colors. For historical reasons in Zim educated and professional people were mostly white. Educated people, black and white, left Zimbabwe not because it is ruled by blacks, but because it is ruled by criminals that ruined the country and now appeasing uneducated majority with false promises and diverting their anger to wrong direction.
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Sgangelina: Hatemongering allows u to call Blacks "gorilas". Having graduated from RHODESIA Smith Satanic School of Segregation, Slavery & Sanctions, one can never be surprised from hateful language u spit against Blacks in Zimbabwe, save the LIES about hoarding of food! Do u know who is giving secret money to cause HOARDING of US dollars to FEW in Zimbabwe today? Ask new FOREIGN POLICY SECRETARY why she secretly set aside US$10m to FUND FEW in ZIMBABWE who TRADE in USdollars on black market
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Well, I think she really meant to say "guerrillas". You know, from french "la guerre" - the war. Your inferiority complex clearly showing here. Relax, [s]he did not mean to call you gorilla or babboon or any other ape, [s]he just does not know the spelling, that's all.
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this gorilas look well fed fat and thriving. they have no hunger they just want to hord food for what is coming people do not believe them they do not let even President Carter go inside to see the sick people. they are hording food medicines for their survival for what is coming of Nibiru worldwide distruction do not give out anything now keep to support your family this actors just want more so most of us starve when time is here of nothing they will not help feed us heal us blacks hate us
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southboy: DONT LISTEN to LIES. Get TRUTHS from BLACKS educated during SMITH regime, not PROPAGANDA cooked from man-made stories to glorify a TYRANT who preached that BLACKS in RHODESIA did not need EDUCATION! In Rhodesia, Whites were 15% of population, but at University of Rhodesia, u could be lucky to find 20% Blacks. That was UNIVERSITY for WHITES built in WHITES ONLY area. Smith's doctrine was: "The MOST DANGEROUS APE IS AN EDUCATED BLACK" & he had INFERIOR EDUCATION SYSTEM for BLACKS!
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Read and analyze UNESCO reports, Mchigubu. Then come up with a judgement. Only 250,000 (4%, not 15) of Rhodesias 6 million population was white. The number of blacks doubled every 20 years. Blacks paid <1% of all taxes. Whites could not provide nearly million of black children with the same level of education as their own kids without destroying their education system. To give all African children the same education would require in 1967 L250 million. Total GDP was L366 million.
Read and analyze UNESCO reports, Mchigubu. Then come up with a judgement. Only 250,000 (4%, not 15) of Rhodesias 6 million population was white. The number of blacks doubled every 20 years. Blacks paid <1% of all taxes. Whites could not provide nearly million of black children with the same level of education as their own kids without destroying their education system. To give all African children the same education would require in 1967 L250 million. Total GDP was L366 million.
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Whites could have just dropped the idea of black education, however they did not. Given the demography, black rule was inevitable in some time. The need for black middle class was desperate, so the government adopted strategy of educational pyramid: all blacks would receive basic education, only successful ones would receive secondary education and same number of black and white would receive university education, so that in 10-20 years there would be enough educated blacks to form black elite.
Whites could have just dropped the idea of black education, however they did not. Given the demography, black rule was inevitable in some time. The need for black middle class was desperate, so the government adopted strategy of educational pyramid: all blacks would receive basic education, only successful ones would receive secondary education and same number of black and white would receive university education, so that in 10-20 years there would be enough educated blacks to form black elite.
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So, you are wrong. In 1972, 21 million was spent on education of white children and 20 million on blacks. Primary enrolment was 40,000 whites, 700,000 blacks. Secondary enrolment was already equal: 28,000 whites, 29,000 blacks. In 1972, 978 students were registered at the University of Rhodesia: 510 whites, 478 blacks and other races. With these policies by 90s there would have been educated black middle class, but ZANU/ZAPU did not allow this to happen.
So, you are wrong. In 1972, 21 million was spent on education of white children and 20 million on blacks. Primary enrolment was 40,000 whites, 700,000 blacks. Secondary enrolment was already equal: 28,000 whites, 29,000 blacks. In 1972, 978 students were registered at the University of Rhodesia: 510 whites, 478 blacks and other races. With these policies by 90s there would have been educated black middle class, but ZANU/ZAPU did not allow this to happen.
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Znaika1: DONT LIE about TYRANT SMITH who didnt allow Blacks to be educated. Blacks, denied of education in motherland escaped by night to Mozambique/Zambia/South Africa & fly abroad if offered SCHOLARSHIPS! This is how FREEDOM FIGHTERS from outside RHODESIA began when Blacks sneaked out for higher education. Blacks who stayed were denied entry to RHODESIA UNIVERSITY for WHITES only. Blacks in Rhodesia were for teaching/nursing / preaching/ woodwork & garden boys & housemaids for WHITES!
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Scholarships? They were promised scholarship and then cheated and forced into ZIPRA this way. They did not volunteer. Read Narratives of Rhodesian Guerrillas, Mchigubu. This will give you a good insight.
As for University of Salisbury - it was both for blacks and whites. See my next message with UNESCO data.
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Even if it wasn't policy he didn't nothing to stop it.Then ask yourself, why would zanu use violence against white? Is there something in their history that would provoke racial violence? Give me info please.
The only way to avoid racism is to make sure that all races have equal opportunities and _succeed_ in using them. Racism will exist as long as one race is perpetually uneducated, unskilful and is only capable of cheap labour. Given the demographic trends, it was clear to Rhodesian government as early as in the 60ies that Rhodesia will eventually be ruled by black majority. Rhodesia tried to prepare black majority to rule the country: it made tremendous efforts in the area of public education.
The only way to avoid racism is to make sure that all races have equal opportunities and _succeed_ in using them. Racism will exist as long as one race is perpetually uneducated, unskilful and is only capable of cheap labour. Given the demographic trends, it was clear to Rhodesian government as early as in the 60ies that Rhodesia will eventually be ruled by black majority. Rhodesia tried to prepare black majority to rule the country: it made tremendous efforts in the area of public education.
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This is why Zimbabwe inherited superb educational system. In 1972 675,000 black kids and 57,000 white kids were in school. According to the 1964 UNESCO Report 91.5 percent of all children was at school (for comparison - in Nigeria - 40.8 percent, in Sudan - 15.9 percent, in Ethiopia 5 percent). Rhodesian government paid 100% of their education expenses; effectively white minority paid for education of blacks as in 1969 all Africans (96% of the population) contributed less than 1% of all taxes.
This is why Zimbabwe inherited superb educational system. In 1972 675,000 black kids and 57,000 white kids were in school. According to the 1964 UNESCO Report 91.5 percent of all children was at school (for comparison - in Nigeria - 40.8 percent, in Sudan - 15.9 percent, in Ethiopia 5 percent). Rhodesian government paid 100% of their education expenses; effectively white minority paid for education of blacks as in 1969 all Africans (96% of the population) contributed less than 1% of all taxes.
The number of blacks and whites in the University of Salisbury was equal. Appearing black middle class provided conditions for peaceful transition to equal representation of blacks in all areas over the period of 30 to 50 years (by now), however this tendency deprived black nationalists of support and so they chose the way of confrontation, boycotted 1962 elections (thus doing a bad service Whiteheads party that favoured social advancement of blacks) and waged civil war on Rhodesian government.
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You make it seem so good when Ian was in power. You should talk to blacks who where in zim at that time to understand the racial atmosphere at that time.You have no knowledge of black suffering and dismay. YOu just care about how good it was for whites. Are you racist?
I'm not saying that everything was so good. There were serious problems stemming from huge gap between rich and poor and almost complete absence of black middle class. These problems were aggravated by the fact that most of poor were black and most of rich were white, but this difference is actually misleading. Indeed the same situation has repeated in countries of the same race. Some of these countries managed to avoid communism (like Germany or Italy) and some did not (like Russia or China).
Here is where I see the true cause of this kind of problems. When the society is deeply divided on extra poor majority and extra rich minority, it provides fertile grounds for communists: they offer to the poor simple answers to the questions why and what to do. They politicize the poor and mobilize them for armed struggle. After the revolution it always appears that communist state is the new capitalist and those who were poor become poorer and those who mobilized the poor become new rich.
Could Rhodesia evade this fate? There were many missed opportunities on all sides. Rhodesia should have been growing local black middle class which by its very presence would instil racial tolerance and mitigated white racism. They should have started education of blacks twenty years earlier. Black leaders should have been a more patient and supported liberal reforms proposed at 1962 elections instead of boycotting it. Britain should have supported Rhodesian government instead of shunning it.
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Znaika1: If u are do not "BELIEVE BLACKS ARE INHERENTLY INFERIOR OR THAT ZIMBABWE'S PROBLEMS ARE DUE TO RACE" according to your words, why then do u turn a BLIND EYE to ATROCITIES & TERRORISM committed against BLACKS By IAN SMITH? Why do u NEVER attack crimes committed by non-BLACKS? Why are u so overly obsessed to have MUGABE a BLACK hanged, while U NEVER make references to NUMEROUS WHITES out there who've committed far worse crimes than what your obssession drives u to write about? RACISM!
"why then do u turn a BLIND EYE to ATROCITIES & TERRORISM committed against BLACKS By IAN SMITH"
Because I am not aware of it. Give me at least one example of a terrorist act against blacks that was approved by Ian Smith and we will take it from there. As far as I know it has never been a policy of Ian Smith to kill people just because they were black. On the opposite it was a policy of ZANU from the very inception to kill white farmers, their wives and children just for their skin colour.
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Znaika1
I see your logic is faltering.Again you mentioned whites being killed by blacks,but you think whites have never commited any violence against blacks in Zim.What are you thinking?You need a reality check.
I am waiting for mchigubu to provide me an example of a terrorist act against blacks that was approved by Ian Smith. You can join him in his futile efforts.
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So do you think there was never any violence against blacks in Zim? Come on Znaika you can't be falling apart now. I thought you would come up with some info defending white violence in Zim.
Did I use the word 'never'? Did I speak about just any violence? Do not pretend you don't understand. I said 'it has never been a policy of Ian Smith to kill people just because they were black. On the opposite it was a policy of ZANU from the very inception to kill white farmers, their wives and children just for their skin colour'. Do you know what the word 'policy' means? It is a pre-approved action plan. Ian Smith has never pre-approved killing civilians for their skin colour, ZANU did.
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So you're saying a white in Zim never killed a black for reasons based soley on race?Give info on why whites commit violence againt blacks period. Tell me something.Don't stop with the propaganda now. Tell me why whites hate.
I did not say this. Please don't put the words into my mouth. I said 'it has never been a policy of Ian Smith to kill people just because they were black. It was a policy of ZANU to kill whites just for their skin colour'.
Are you still unable to produce a single example of what you are incriminating to Ian Smith's government?
Isn't it because there is none? I can give you tens of names of Mugabe's victims complete with dates, places and grim circumstances of their deaths, no problem.
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Znaika1 U've no clue of practical ZIMBABWE political history. U never lived Rhodesia wearing BLACK skin! U never lived under Rhodesia's APARTHEID. U were never jailed for holding clear beer bottle wearing Black skin. U were never the BLACK forced to bleach/destroy melanin for Front Office job under Smith. U were NOT jailed 10 years receiving electric shocks 4X weekly & water boarding 4 talking FREEDOM in BLACK skin under Smith. U weren't called KAFFIR "N" word Smith termed surviving Blacks!
True, I have never lived in Rhodesia; did you live there? Regardless, it is not required to live some place to be able to come up with a qualified judgement about it. Otherwise the entire science of human history would have been not possible. I assure you I do know enough about Zim political history to come up with such judgement. There was no institutionalized apartheid in Rhodesia. There was racism, but it was not enshrined in the law. All codes and Rhodesian constitution were colour blind.
Also, I am not saying that whites did not commit any crime against blacks. For instance Industrial Conciliation Act disfavoured black workers. But things should be seen in balance: for instance in 1969 50% of educational budget was for education of blacks; 91.5% of all black children went to school. At the same time blacks contributed to less than 1% or all taxes. So on average one white family with two children paid for education of another 50 black children. And this is just one example.
Finally, if you look at the entire picture: education, health care, job opportunities and legal framework, you will realize that Rhodesia provided for smooth migration from white minority rule to white and black middle class rule in 30 to 50 years time frame (by now). Blacks had excellent opportunities to accept positive reforms at least twice: in 1962 and in 1972. However black nationalist leaders did not want it and led black majority to confrontation. White government failed to avert it.
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Znaika1 Smith the Bomber never got tried. Where were u? Smith bombed millions of BLACKS in Zimbabwe & Nyadzonia who dared free themselves from tyranny & oppression of Settler Regime. U never told the world to have Smith hanged. Rhodesia Front labelled "TERRORIST" any Black who revolted against his DISCRMINATORY LAWS, nobody suggested to have him hanged. Smith's Rhodesia Front relocated BLACKS in Concentration CAMPS called KEEPS, paid heavily BLACK "informers" forced at gunpoint to sell out!
It was a policy and practice of ZANU and ZAPU to attack and kill white people in Rhodesia regardless of who they were. ZANU terrorists were sent to Rhodesia with an objective to attack white farms and to kill all whites and those blacks who collaborate with whites. On the opposite, it has never been a policy of Rhodesia to kill black civilians just because they were black. Civilian casualties happened, as they happen in any war, but they have not been an objective, unlike of guerrillas' case.
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Znaika1 U suggest Mugabe should be hanged, what reasons do u have besides that he's a BLACK CIVIL rights leader, who had respect of Mr. Martin Luther King, & whose wife Lady Coretta King visited DZIMBAHWE to affirm Black CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST, Mr. Robert Mugabe! This insatiable appetite to kill BLACK LEADERS must end! Countless BLACK ACTVISTS have been assassinated for voicing FREEDOM & SOCIAL JUSTICE, that MUST stop! Mugabe didnt drop bombs on any country's people why hang him, NOT BOMBERS?
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Bombers will hopefully deserve their own trial; Mugabe deserved his own one. He was in charge of ZANU. In 70s ZANU deliberately killed white civilians, including children and women and those blacks that worked for whites. In 80s they purposely gang raped, mass murdered and burnt entire villages of blacks in Matabeleland, tens of thousands were murdered. In 2000 they robbed white farmers of their land. Including those who bought this land after 1980. Now cholera. Yes, Mugabe should be tried.
Bombers will hopefully deserve their own trial; Mugabe deserved his own one. He was in charge of ZANU. In 70s ZANU deliberately killed white civilians, including children and women and those blacks that worked for whites. In 80s they purposely gang raped, mass murdered and burnt entire villages of blacks in Matabeleland, tens of thousands were murdered. In 2000 they robbed white farmers of their land. Including those who bought this land after 1980. Now cholera. Yes, Mugabe should be tried.
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Mugabe should be tried and hanged. In 1982 he started Gukurahundi - terror and murder of Ndebele people who did not want to align with ZANU. The scale of atrocities obscured Nazis: 3 FEB 1983: Mass beating of villagers and shooting of 2 young pregnant girls, followed by their being bayonetted open to reveal the still moving foetuses. 13 FEB 1983: Whole village beaten, and 7 shot dead, including a teacher, after digging their own grave. Witnesses refer to a fountain of blood from the pit.
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znaika
blah blah blah. Gukur was labeled a terror organation by ian the evil. Mugabe is for black empowerment.period.I know you are not black so you don't care.
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Oh, yes? Why don't you read official report? Just google Catholic Commission for Justice and Peace in Zimbabwe. It is not labelling. It states facts along with names, dates and places. It is a 106 page PDF document, but you can go straight to page 56, chapter 5 - the village by village summary - detailing of incidents according to time and place. You will feel nausea after reading a few pages.
Oh, yes? Why don't you read official report? Just google Catholic Commission for Justice and Peace in Zimbabwe. It is not labelling. It states facts along with names, dates and places. It is a 106 page PDF document, but you can go straight to page 56, chapter 5 - the village by village summary - detailing of incidents according to time and place. You will feel nausea after reading a few pages.
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Catholic Commission for Peace?What about the peace among blacks and whties?Most of the religious groups from Europe were there to subdue and control the minds of blacks anyway.
They never condemed the colonist brits on a serious level.
Are you contemplating that the report is falsified and the events did not take place? This is ridiculous; even on youtube you will find live testimonials. There is no doubt that all of it indeed happened.
Mugabe should be tried and hanged. In 1982 he started Gukurahundi - terror and murder of Ndebele people who did not want to align with ZANU. The scale of atrocities obscured Nazis: 3 FEB 1983: Mass beating of villagers and shooting of 2 young pregnant girls, followed by their being bayonetted open to reveal the still moving foetuses. 13 FEB 1983: Whole village beaten, and 7 shot dead, including a teacher, after digging their own grave. Witnesses refer to a fountain of blood from the pit.
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You keep saying Mugabe should be tried and hanged, but you failed to menition what should happen to the evil brits.I know why BECAUSE YOU ARE A RACIST WHITE right.If not you should support Mugabe.
I don't remember Brits doing anything even remotely resembling Mugabe's atricities since WWII. Remind me please.
This is where your weak point is, Southbobby: I give you facts - you, for the lack of any factual infornation is unable to attack the speech, so you attack the speaker.
You may ignore this, but I am not a racist because I do not believe blacks are inherently inferior or that Zimbabwes problems are due to race. Indeed the same problems existed elsewhere, including Europe.
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Znaika1: Every country in the world has corrupt leaders, and some believe in constitutions that say "Blacks are sub-human". BUT, the people in those nations do not get punished by evil sanctions! Sanctions on Zimbabwe are diabolic and if intended to punish corrupt leaders, unfortunately those sanctions are hurting the poor, BIG TIME! SATANIC sanctions exist in ZIMBABWE, but some are in DENIAL!
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Not every country in the world has corrupt leaders and I am not aware of any country which constitution would say or even imply that blacks are "sub humans". Last such country was South Africa.
As for the sanctions, I told you - there none. The real problem is that (a) industry does not manufacture goods the way it did and (b) most of commercial farms have been given to new owners who perform only at a fraction of the past efficiency. Hence, no product for the money and hyperinflation.
Not every country in the world has corrupt leaders and I am not aware of any country which constitution would say or even imply that blacks are "sub humans". Last such country was South Africa.
As for the sanctions, I told you - there none. The real problem is that (a) industry does not manufacture goods the way it did and (b) most of commercial farms have been given to new owners who perform only at a fraction of the past efficiency. Hence, no product for the money and hyperinflation.
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Znaika1: Sanctions in Zimbabwe exist! In 1600s when slavery existed, there were two kinds of slave trades: public auctions & scrambles. At auctions slaves were placed on a high platform so dealers and plantation owners could see them and make bids. Each slave went to highest bidder. Scrambles were worse! Rhodes committed both in today's ZIMBABWE! Anyone who rebelled was hanged! Sanctions on Zimbabwe kill the poor with hyper-inflation, vestiges of slavery by RHODES' 1800's past policies!
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SATANIC sanctions exist in Zimbabwe, & are punishing the majority of innocent Blacks! Mugabe was duped to devalue the Zim dollar by IMF, and today the SATANIC embargo impoverishes the innocent poor!
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Do they? Ok, prove it. Give me and name of Zim company not on the black list that has been rejected an export or import deal and the date when it happened. I bet you will not be able to. This is why "sanctions" you are talking about do not exist. The problem is not inability to export what has been produced, but that Zimbabwe produces too little. There are no stockpiles of tobacco, maize or chrome waiting for a buyer. Sanctions are only against corrupt ZANU officials and their businesses.
Do they? Ok, prove it. Give me and name of Zim company not on the black list that has been rejected an export or import deal and the date when it happened. I bet you will not be able to. This is why "sanctions" you are talking about do not exist. The problem is not inability to export what has been produced, but that Zimbabwe produces too little. There are no stockpiles of tobacco, maize or chrome waiting for a buyer. Sanctions are only against corrupt ZANU officials and their businesses.
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Mugabe is my hero.
Whites never talk about how white farmers got the land in the first place. Now you want mugabe removed and using white sanctions against Zim.You white people are destroying this planet!
Who will purify this planet for the sake of mankind?!?
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Dridler00 Its how Blair/UK duped Mugabe by revoking Lancaster Agreement, a LEGAL CONTRACT signed by Mugabe/Nkomo/UK officials saying that after 10 years, Britain would compensate White Farmers for land to be redistributed to landless Blacks! Blair duped Mugabe by revoking contract. Blair/US/EU ganged against Mugabe by imposing ILLEGAL SATANIC sanctions! See why "MUGABE IS GETTING CRAZIER EVERY YEAR"! HOSNI MUBARAK has ruled Egypt 25+ years, Bongo of Gabon has ruled for 41 years. Define FOOL
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heikkuri, When Rhodes (1800s) came to Zimbabwe, it was Kingdom of Munhumutapa. Thru greed, he overturned Kingdom, enslaving, usurping power, stealing gold, diamonds & wealth from the Kingdom. When his cronies raped Black women, he chose to segregate & call them Coloreds, killing their husbands at will! Rhodes committed the worst genocide of Blacks ever reported in ZIMBO history, forcing Blacks from their land, forcing Black men into mines "Mutandizi" were thousands were massacred: GENOCIDE!
Rhodes can in 1888. The mineral rights agreement was signed with Ndebele (aggressive Zulu tribe) king Lobengula, whose father, Mzilikazi, came to Rhodesia only 50 years earlier and slaughtered Shona who were peaceful Bantu tribe and could not resist militarized Ndebele. Shona evaded Ndebele by moving far to North East. Between Ndebele and Shona was no man's land, which is why Rhodes decided to build there a capital, Salisbury (now Harare).
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Dear Reverend Desmond Tutu, You seem to be overly attacking Zimbabwe every now and again. We applaud that you won US$50,000 for Nobel Prize. The next thing we see from online news on Africa is about your venomous attack on Zimbabwe! For once, why don't you stop the BIGOTRY and DENOUNCE the EVIL, SATANIC, ILLEGAL SANCTIONS imposed on Zimbabwe? If you do not feel comfortable to talk about that, talk about the CHILD PROSTITUTION in South Africa, or poverty pervasive to Blacks in Soweto? ENOUGH
There are no sanctions. What you call "sanctions" is the refusal by US banks (e.g. IMF) to give Mugabe any more money. It is by no means "sanctions", it is simply a refusal to finance his corrupt regime! The only real sanctions are against personal effects and businesses owned by about 200 corrupt government officials. And even these sanctions are by US and EU only. The true obstacle for a trade is that there is nothing Zim can offer the world: both its economy and agriculture have collapsed.
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heikkuri, Its not about White farmers teaching Blacks! Zimbabwe went through guerilla warfare, Zambia didn't! Zimbabwe was duped by Rhodes in 1800s to sign & surrender all land, mineral wealth, & its people to BRITAIN. Zambia didn't go thru such! Zimbabwe was later ruled under SEGREGATION by IAN SMITH who believed every Black person is subhuman, & must be enslaved & not educated, Zambia didn't go such! Zimbabwe fought for land, not Zambia! Mugabe dismantled SEGREGATION! EVIL SANCTIONS KILL!
Zambia and Zimbabwe did not exist as such in the 1800s. Mugabe replaced segregation with terror and genocide. While segregation is reprehensible, how much more so is the killing of your own people, whatever their color.
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To proudly state that the life expectancy in Zimbabwe is 35 years sounds pervasive! Denounce the illegal, Satanic, EVIL sanctions that are causing shortages in Zimbabwe while enhancing the wallets of a chosen few who are amassing huge amounts of usdollars and using for own greedy machinations! LIFT SATANIC SANCTIONS that have diminished the life expectancy of the majority poor, while the wealthy few eat themselves out and look obese while others are undernourished!
Mugabe is the one who is stockpiling money for his eventual getaway. I don't think you know what pervasive means, because it doesn't make sense contextually in your sentence as written.
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hekkuri, As researcher, I wrote to us Congress to lift sanctions imposed on Zimbabwe, following my ethnography, & book I wrote on plight of masses of poor families & children now impacted by failed foreign policy of Evil SANCTIONS. I received a letter detailing how us$10 million had been set aside for regime change. I have the document & if you have a document about the stockpile you mention, thats great! As I have tangible proof of the document, I shall keep giving voice to marginalized poor
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As we talk openly about ghost voters in Zimbabwe, lets unravel open secret that some opposition party members in Zimbabwe get ten million usdollars for regime change! As a researcher, last year I wrote to Kongrez requesting that ILLEGAL, SATANIC Sanctions be lifted as they hurt majority Negro poor, while enhancing wallets of the elite few! They responded with a letter stating ten millioni usdollars had been set aside to fund "Zim Regime Change"! Who gets BIG bucks, as trillions rot in poverty?
As billions "rot in poverty," Mugabe's cronies are awarded lands illegally taken from white farmers. Stop labelling everything as Satanic. It undermines your credibility. People will think you're a nut.
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heikkuri, SATANIC SANCTIONS, imposed illegally to punish majority poor. No matter how one chooses to call one a"NUT", Zimbabwe has been turned into JAIL, where unemployment has hiked to 80% & inflation 238million%. Illegal sanctions have turned Zimbabwe into a PRISON! That is SATANIC, DISCRIMINATORY as it affects poor Blacks! SATANIC SANCTIONS MUST BE REMOVED. I have never seen Mr Mugabe or Mr Tsvangirai wearing tattered clothes, but majority I see are poor! Hence sanctions hurt underclass
There are no sanctions. What you call "sanctions" is the refusal by US banks (e.g. IMF) to give Mugabe any more money. It is by no means "sanctions", it is simply a refusal to finance his corrupt regime! The only real sanctions are against personal effects and businesses owned by about 200 corrupt government officials. And even these sanctions are by US and EU only. The true obstacle for a trade is that there is nothing Zim can offer the world: both its economy and agriculture have collapsed.
There are no sanctions. What you call "sanctions" is the refusal by US banks (e.g. IMF) to give Mugabe any more money. It is by no means "sanctions", it is simply a refusal to finance his corrupt regime! The only real sanctions are against personal effects and businesses owned by about 200 corrupt government officials. And even these sanctions are by US and EU only. The true obstacle for a trade is that there is nothing Zim can offer the world: both its economy and agriculture have collapsed.
While we are wasting our time, what are you doing? Saving the world? What does a black man from Mississippi know about Africa? Duh, of course Mugabe doesn't care about whites. That is hardly the observation of the century. Anything that educates ignorant black Americans about Africa is a success. You wouldn't last 5 minutes with African blacks.
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I wouldn't last 5 minutes with african blacks?
Africans are the only option i have to learn about africa.I'm not that silly to believe anything from such hateful whites.I started learning about africa when i found out i didn't come from europe.hehe
Did you even watch the video? Mugabe and his party are faking voter lists. What does color matter where justice is concerned? Don't whites have a right to take a stand on issues? These stories are true. You need an attitude adjustment.
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usa1964,
So what if he did actually fake voters?Britain colonized them;stop over looking your own evil behavior. He's trying to cut off all ties to the west and i hope he gets rid of democracy.You can take a stand on issues, but mugabe does want anything to do with you people.
Bobby,1.That he actually faked voters is illustrative of his evil, and lack of fairness. That you see nothing wrong casts suspicion on your own ethics.2.I am American, and Britain's colonization of Zimbabwe is hardly "my own evil behavior." 3. Cutting off ties to the West has already occurred through Western sanctions.4. Hoping he gets rid of democracy makes you ideologically, undemocratic, i.e. repressive. 5. What hwe wants is not at question, it is what his methods are in attaining his goals.
Why are YOU worried about Zim? Or not worried, as it were. It is about to go bankrupt. Millions have fled. You CAN'T possibly think he's doing a good job. When the whites were there, Zim still have a thriving economy. How can blacks benefit from joblessness and starvation? Just look at Zambia, which welcomes WHITE AFRICANS and their economic situation has improved. I think your views against whites in Africa parallel your own hatred of white Americans.
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It's not like the blacks in Zambia have access to global markets, be serious. They'rejust cheap labor in a system they didn't ask for.Whites had no intention to teach blacks how to progress in a european system.Then they would be competition.
Hello? Zambia had self-rule long before Zimbabwe. And it had fewer whites. It is their system. And they have fewer problems than Zim, don't they? White farmers are teaching blacks to farm in ambia and Nigeria. Why must Zimbabwe be so stupid? Because of Mugabe's racism.
u r not serious bobby people are dying at the hands of this lunatic don't u have a heart. u wouldn't last a min if u were to go to zim and c 4 ur self what he has done.
All the crimes are caused by MDC people who are doing everyhting to sabotage mugabe so that the world will hate him.MDC is behind all the killing.Mugabe will never do such a thing because he loves his people
The MDC doesn't need to sabotage Mugabe to make the world hate him because they already do. Did MDC bring down the Hunyani? Did MDC kill the Ndebele? No, it wasn't even in existence at that time. It Is Mugabe. You are brainwashed.
No, fool, they didn't bomb their flunkies and lackies, as you claim, because the west does NOT control aljazeera. You are simply wrong, as well as wrongfully simple. If the west controlled aljazeera as you asserted earlier, they wouldn't be bombing them would they? If they controlled aljazeera, then aljazeera wouldn't be reporting bad things about them (the west) as you claim, now would they? I am not saying they didn't bomb them, I am saying they didn't bomb who they control. That's senseless
What's your point dude? Are you now going to try to convince me aljazeera is any different from bbc,american propaganda , and other european news corporations? Who cares what they have to say besides people who don't know anything and have to take every word for truth.
My point is that it is indeed different. That it is not controlled by the West is the reason it was bombed! Why does Mugabe prevent journalists from freely going to Zimbabwe?
heikkuri, Its an open secret that incoming usforeign policy secretary of state set aside ten million usdollars to fund some members for Zimbabwe's Regime Change! Mugabe was labeled terrorist by Smith, jailed for 10 years for trying to dismantle RACISM, SEGREGATION, & EXPLOITATION of BLACKS, was electricuted, water-boarded, & named COMMUNIST. ZANUPF was named "TERRORIST" With ILLEGAL SATANIC SANCTIONS, Mugabe acts with cynicism! Treat person like rabid dog he'll bark like one. Try RESPECT & see
Oh god, at least Al Jazeera interviews people in question instead of being the CNN Sound bit Rememeber kids Mugabe is bad, Tsvingirai is good. Thank god for objective reporting. (but Al Jazeera does suffer from other weaknesses, it overstretches itself and tends to biased towards their hobbyhorses).
was in dande and saw with my eyes people eating frogs, blaz in my kumusha, they were so hungry they are eating frogs and mbewa rats, you zanu pf people are going to pay my grandfather was sick but because he was MDC HE WAS GIVEN NO FOOD AND DIED BLAZO MHATA TO YOU PLLE
The ZANU PF youth militia forced scores of voters in Morgenster in Masvingo to go and cast their votes for ZANU PF candidate Robert Mugabe. The youths have launched operation Chigunwe Tione (Lets See Your
Finger) to see if people had voted or not. Those whose finger does not show red ink are brutalized.
Did he say the life expectancy there was thirty? THIRTY?
HOLY FUCK!
Thirty?!?!
That's aslong as cavemen in the stone ages ffs. What the fuck is happening, why is nobody helping that country?
Lpoolboy 2 years ago
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Please stop all donations to Zimbabwe. Any website that has a supportZimbabwe must not be donated to. Funds ends up not for the people but for the leader Mugabe.
Even the sites that have by word or photo of Desmond Tutu that supportsZimbabwe are funds for Mugabe, and his one communist party.
idrobinhood 2 years ago
Mugabe is a mad man!
Kryptonian250 2 years ago 2
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EH EH! Someone is an expert on Zimbabwe, check out the rigorous posts on here, I wish people would have more vigour in living life instead of being so negative about everything and everything.
Africa has got problems at the moment, so What? it is a phase, and it will pass, people will look back as say Never Again. Every dog has its day!
If you dont like it, get a life, go and live on the moon.
jondobigballs 2 years ago
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znaika musatan wamai vamai vako
Phoonguy 2 years ago
This poor child needs Therapy!!
jondobigballs 2 years ago
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I used to be a wolf but I am alright NAAAAOOOOOOOOOO!
jondobigballs 2 years ago
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Znaika 1 QUEEN OF THE MATABELE AND MASHONA AND ALL AFRICA.
Znaika 1 Her Imperial majesty, Queen of Queens of Africa. Most knowledgeable Sage, and chief priestess,sangoma of the highest calibre.
Znaika 1 conquerer of Robert Mugabe and Zanu PF.
jondobigballs 2 years ago
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Znaika1 2 years ago
There are targeted sanctions against about 200 corrupt ZANU and government officials and their businesses. And even these sanctions are not UN endorsed. They are only by US and EU countries. This is why ZANU thieves, line Grace Mugabe can still travel to China and other countries. The poverty in Zimbabwe is not because of 'sanctions' that do not affect absolute majority of the people, but because ZANU destroyed private businesses and forced most of educated, productive people out of the country.
Znaika1 2 years ago
Once again, specifically for those who still does not get it: there are no sanctions against ordinary Zimbabweans. They can freely travel where they want. Compare it with sanctions against Rhodesia: Rhodesian passport has not been recognised by any country except SA. There are no sanctions against fair Zimbabwean businesses; they can freely export or import products. Compare it with sanctions on Rhodesia: all exports to Rhodesia and almost all imports have been fully banned by UN resolution.
Znaika1 2 years ago
Mugabe should be tried and hanged. In 1982 he started Gukurahundi - terror and murder of Ndebele people who did not want to align with ZANU. The scale of atrocities obscured Nazis: 3 FEB 1983: Mass beating of villagers and shooting of 2 young pregnant girls, followed by their being bayonetted open to reveal the still moving foetuses. 13 FEB 1983: Whole village beaten, and 7 shot dead, including a teacher, after digging their own grave. Witnesses refer to a fountain of blood from the pit.
Znaika1 2 years ago
VivaMugabe:
Well, viva the PINKS, asshole. The "Pinks" were the ones farming the land.
Zimbabwe now receives 50% of all food imports from humanitarian aid corporations...aid corps funded by whom??? Yes! The VERY WHITES YOU DESPISE.
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President Mugabe is and will always be a legend of the African people.
Every time you see pinks "whites" getting involved into African people affairs it is only to push their agenda of dominating us, ne-colonising us, and distributing pain to us.
so i wonder why are some Africans still not getting it?
is it because they watch pink "white" propanganda on TV more than they read real news or the internet about that criminal entity that illegally call itself white?
VivaMugabe31 2 years ago
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There are no sanctions against Zimbabwe. Sanctions are targeted against about 200 corrupt ZANU officials, like former minister of women's affairs, Joyce Mujuru, who fraudulently received Z$389,472 from War Victims Compensations Fund prior its collapse in 1997 and leaving hundreds of thousand disabled without any means for existence. Mujuru received the money on the basis of 'poor vision' and 'mental stress disorder'. And these targeted sanctions are by US and EU only. China and SA are opened.
Znaika1 2 years ago
There are no sanctions against Zimbabwe. Sanctions are targeted against about 200 corrupt ZANU officials, like former minister of women's affairs, Joyce Mujuru, who fraudulently received Z$389,472 from War Victims Compensations Fund prior its collapse in 1997 and leaving hundreds of thousand disabled without any means for existence. Mujuru received the money on the basis of 'poor vision' and 'mental stress disorder'. And these targeted sanctions are by US and EU only. China and SA are opened.
Znaika1 2 years ago
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znaika hauzive chinhu uri mwana wehure iwe
Phoonguy 2 years ago
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Znaika1 3 years ago
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End the evil sanctions U.S , London , and Brussels.
The natural resources are supposed to benefit the the people of Zim, Mugabe is just doing what's right.Governments in the West just think about what you are doing to the innocent people of Zim.
southbobby 3 years ago
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ZANU forever!
Mugabe the great leader.
southbobby 3 years ago
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Znaika1: This constant harping that ZANU is Communist is a SAD way to DEMONIZE that party, inorder to refresh SMITH'S rhetoric that kept him suppressing Blacks for 15 years using international support he got by "SCARE-MONGERING TACTICS" saying Mugabe & Nkomo & Blacks are COMMUNISTS to torture & shoot to kill! Afterall China Communist country has traded with Africa for more than 50,000 years & China NEVER colonized Africa or enslaved Blacks but treated Africa with respect. Chinese NEVER RAPED
mchigubu 3 years ago
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ZANU does not need to be demonized; it does the job very well itself. Can you imagine all these palaces that ZANU leaders live in? They cost tens of millions to build and millions in running expenses. Each of them took away from the people of Zimbabwe fully quipped and staffed hospital or several schools or a thousand of buses. I am not demonizing anyone, it's just plain arithmetic. Can you explain what for Gideon Gono needs more than 40 bedrooms? What do you call it? I say they are fat cats.
Znaika1 2 years ago
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Znaika1: This partnership is NEVER going to be "a transition of power from Mugabe to MDC." That is NEVER going to happen & to even dream of it, is beyond wishful thinking that negates REALITY. U say "power from Mugabe to MDC". That does not make sense. Mugabe will one day EXIT when his time to go comes, BUT ZANU will not go away like it or not. After 2 years if Mugabe runs for elections, other ZANU contestants might run too! If MDC wins, ZANU will NOT go. If ZANU wins, MDC will NOT go!
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Znaika1 3 years ago
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Znaika1: Labeling & enticing people of Zimbabwe to break apart doesnt work in Zimbabwe! Learn history of Africa, colonial inflitration, colonial tools to divide & conquer, colonial ways to see Africa's leaders assassinated, colonial mentality to manipulate & cause havoc, colonial think tanks that take FEW & afford them US$10m to cause CHAOS in African sovereign entities due to international corporate greed! Communist vs anti-communist NOISE is tactic to divide & conquer & must END with SMITH!
mchigubu 3 years ago
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Znaika1 2 years ago
I am not trying to break anything apart, mchigubu. Even if I was, it would be naive on my part to expect this forum to be an effective tool for that. All I am doing - expressing my opinion on things. And every my opinion may be wrong including this one :)
In this particular case my opinion is that ZANU and MDC can not form a functioning government because these two parties are dramatically different. So one or the other will need to go. My bet it will be ZANU. It is clear they are loosing.
Znaika1 2 years ago
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Znaika1: MDC has come to partner with ZANU! Read the news! Mugabe is President, Tsvangirai is Prime Minister! Heard of the saying: "If you can't beat them?" Its just about time to bury the appetite to DIVIDE & RULE TO SUPPRESS & CONQUER". Quit it! Zimbabwe needs unity between Tsvangirai & Mugabe, and let those Zimbabweans sort themselves out without outside interference! Try another country to patronize, divide, & conquer with partisan divisions! As matter of fact, ZANU will NEVER die
mchigubu 3 years ago
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Learn the history of Zimbabwe, mchigubu. There was another partnership in 1979: between Smith and Muzorewa. and just as the first one was short lived, this partnership can not last because none of ideological differences between communist ZANU and democratic MDC have been resolved. Imagine the cabinet where half of ministers are communists and another half are anti-communists. What kind of decisions can such a cabinet make? This partnership is a part of transition of power from Mugabe to MDC.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Learn the history of Zimbabwe, mchigubu. There was another partnership in 1979: between Smith and Muzorewa. and just as the first one was short lived, this partnership can not last because none of ideological differences between communist ZANU and democratic MDC have been resolved. Imagine the cabinet where half of ministers are communists and another half are anti-communists. What kind of decisions can such a cabinet make? This partnership is a part of transition of power from Mugabe to MDC.
Znaika1 2 years ago
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Ghost voters? Who cares, Mugabe is in power and there is nothing any country can do about it.
The corruption money from the west 10 million dollars for regime change isn't long enough to move Mugabe. Get over it England, there is nothing you can do.
southbobby 3 years ago
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"Who cares, Mugabe is in power and there is nothing any country can do about it."
Read the news Southbobby. MDC has come! Now it is only a question of time until ZANU is fully defeated. Corrupt bastards.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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YES! Glorify your TYRANT IAN SMITH THE GUY WHO TOLD THE WORLD THAT BLACKS IN ZIMBABWE ARE BORN INFERIOR, AND MUST HAVE THEIR LAND & WEALTH BE ADMINISTERED BY HIM ALONE & HIS DESCENDANTS!
mchigubu 3 years ago
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So when and where did Ian Smith say that? How about date and place? He never said that, you are putting words in his mouth, mchigubu.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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Znaika1: U give the EXACT definition of RHODES & SMITH'S MOB behavior. Rhodes & Smith and his mobs ransacked MUNHUMUTAPA KINGDOM now ZIMBABWE, stealing gold, diamonds & humans, FAKING SIGNATURES & CONTRACTS to steal ZIMBABWE. Thats MOB STEALING STYLE Rhodes & SMITH used, by beating & even murdering TONS of Blacks who dared to resist being enslaved by SETTLER trickery, butchering Blacks who REVOLTED & refused FORCED LABOR or FORCED LAND GRAB or forced to mine DIAMONDS for SLAVE-MOB-MASTERS
mchigubu 3 years ago
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Certainly not Smith, ot else give credible proof.
The Rozwi kingdom did not exist by the time Rhodes arrived. It has already been destroyed by Zulu, including Ndebele. This was one of the reasons Rhodes had to sign the contract with Ndebele for mashonaland, because there was noone else to sign it with.
As for oppressing blacks during the times of Rhodes and shortly after, yes it was the case. However we can not judge people living long ago in terms of today's morality.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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Decent black families and youth are not "mobs". "Mobs" are those, who, regardless of their family status, flock together like a pack of hyenas with the purpose to attack their prey, to steal everything that can be sold: tools, household goods, even clothes and to vandalize the rest. They are a bunch of faceless thieves who under the disguise of restoring justice commit greatest injustice of robbing, beating and even murdering people who produce food, provide jobs and pay taxes. These are mobs.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Decent black families and youth are not "mobs". "Mobs" are those, who, regardless of their family status, flock together like a pack of hyenas with the purpose to attack their prey, to steal everything that can be sold: tools, household goods, even clothes and to vandalize the rest. They are a bunch of faceless thieves who under the disguise of restoring justice commit greatest injustice of robbing, beating and even murdering people who produce food, provide jobs and pay taxes. These are mobs.
Znaika1 2 years ago
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Znaika1: The ARROGANCE of calling Black families, youths, & children as (MOBS) reflects the ARROGANCE Rhodes & Smith used to describe natives as Settler Regime saw fit to grab Africa's land from owners & enslave natives to farm on SLAVE-HOLDERS' stolen land! Rhodes & Smith ruled with ARROGANCE & IGNORANCE, demeaning NATIVES by undermining their DIGNITY & by name-calling them as "MOBS" as today's bigots see fit & to extend that yesterday EU announced tightening SATANIC SANCTIONS on ZIMBABWE!
mchigubu 3 years ago
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Znaika1: Dont speak for Zimbabweans Abroad! Who returns to a country that's been deliberately PUT in JAIL by SATANIC SANCTIONS imposed on ZIMBABWE that destroy FAMILY INSTITUTIONS & WILL TO LIVE A NORMAL LIFE? HOW CAN ONE THROW A PYTHON, KING COBRA, BLACK MAMBA INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE & EXPECT THE HOUSEHOLD MEMBERS TO STAY IN THAT HOUSE? OF COURSE, ALL FROM THAT HOUSE WOULD RUN AWAY FOR SAFETY FROM THE SNAKES DELIBERATELY THROWN INTO THAT HOUSE! ITS INSULTING FOR u TO TALK 4 ZIMBABWEANS OK
mchigubu 3 years ago
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Are you still ranting about sanctions? I will tell you where the real problem is: there is no food because agriculture collapsed because farms do not work because mobs ruined them because ZANU called for a land grab because it was a effective measure to win black votes because Zimbabwe received a rule of largely ignorant majority because liberal governments of Wilson and Carter allowed it to happen, sacrificing common sense in favour of political correctness. The same is true for manufacturing.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Are you still ranting about sanctions? I will tell you where the real problem is: there is no food because agriculture collapsed because farms do not work because mobs ruined them because ZANU called for a land grab because it was a effective measure to win black votes because Zimbabwe received a rule of largely ignorant majority because liberal governments of Wilson and Carter allowed it to happen, sacrificing common sense in favour of political correctness. The same is true for manufacturing.
Znaika1 2 years ago
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Zimbabwean elites fail to return home due to SATANIC sanctions which are systematically causing huge BRAIN DRAIN, leaving EXTREMELY POOR MAJORITY UNDERCLASS stranded & strangled with SATANIC sanctions that have created a HUGE DIVIDE, HUGE DIGITAL DIVIDE between rich & poor. A FEW inside Zimbabwe & who have had ACCESS to US$10m, buy food at will while majority poor starve! External SECRET FUNDING of FEW ZIMs is CRIMINAL! Today EU tightened sanctions on ZIMBABWE & how EVIL does it have to be?
mchigubu 3 years ago
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Zimbabweans do not "fail" to return home, the do not want to return home due to the mess that ZANU and Mugabe have created in their country. There is nothing to eat, nowhere to work, closed schools and rampant diseases. Everyone except 200 corrupt officials is free to travel without restrictions. Compare it with true sanctions that have been imposed on Rhodesia in 1965: Rhodesian passport was not recognised anywhere except SA, ordinary Rhodesians could not travel on their passports.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Zimbabweans do not "fail" to return home, the do not want to return home due to the mess that ZANU and Mugabe have created in their country. There is nothing to eat, nowhere to work, closed schools and rampant diseases. Everyone except 200 corrupt officials is free to travel without restrictions. Compare it with true sanctions that have been imposed on Rhodesia in 1965: Rhodesian passport was not recognised anywhere except SA, ordinary Rhodesians could not travel on their passports.
Znaika1 2 years ago
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Znaika1: U assume every Black person has Inferiority Complex? That goes to show PHD earned from the RHODESIA SMITH SATANIC SCHOOL OF SYSTEMATIC SEGREGATION, SARCASM, SANCTIONS & STEREOTYPING OF BLACKS, WHILE PROTECTING WELL-INTENDED BIGOTS WHO ARE GRADUATES OF SATANIC SCHOOL OF NAMECALLING! ILL-GOTTEN! GUTS TO PROTECT A RACIST WHO'S SPREADING SUPREMACY BY CALLING BLACKS GORILLAS? TYPICAL OF SMITH'S SATANIC STEREOTYPING. WHAT A PHD THUS EARNED! ALL ABOUT BASHING BLACKS & HATE-MONGERING!
mchigubu 3 years ago
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What rubbish. Whites, blacks... Who cares about the skin pigmentation? There are professional and civilized people of all colours and there are barbarians of all colors. For historical reasons in Zim educated and professional people were mostly white. Educated people, black and white, left Zimbabwe not because it is ruled by blacks, but because it is ruled by criminals that ruined the country and now appeasing uneducated majority with false promises and diverting their anger to wrong direction.
Znaika1 3 years ago
What rubbish. Whites, blacks... Who cares about the skin pigmentation? There are professional and civilized people of all colours and there are barbarians of all colors. For historical reasons in Zim educated and professional people were mostly white. Educated people, black and white, left Zimbabwe not because it is ruled by blacks, but because it is ruled by criminals that ruined the country and now appeasing uneducated majority with false promises and diverting their anger to wrong direction.
Znaika1 2 years ago
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Sgangelina: Hatemongering allows u to call Blacks "gorilas". Having graduated from RHODESIA Smith Satanic School of Segregation, Slavery & Sanctions, one can never be surprised from hateful language u spit against Blacks in Zimbabwe, save the LIES about hoarding of food! Do u know who is giving secret money to cause HOARDING of US dollars to FEW in Zimbabwe today? Ask new FOREIGN POLICY SECRETARY why she secretly set aside US$10m to FUND FEW in ZIMBABWE who TRADE in USdollars on black market
mchigubu 3 years ago
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Well, I think she really meant to say "guerrillas". You know, from french "la guerre" - the war. Your inferiority complex clearly showing here. Relax, [s]he did not mean to call you gorilla or babboon or any other ape, [s]he just does not know the spelling, that's all.
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Znaika1 3 years ago
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this gorilas look well fed fat and thriving. they have no hunger they just want to hord food for what is coming people do not believe them they do not let even President Carter go inside to see the sick people. they are hording food medicines for their survival for what is coming of Nibiru worldwide distruction do not give out anything now keep to support your family this actors just want more so most of us starve when time is here of nothing they will not help feed us heal us blacks hate us
sgangelina 3 years ago
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southboy: DONT LISTEN to LIES. Get TRUTHS from BLACKS educated during SMITH regime, not PROPAGANDA cooked from man-made stories to glorify a TYRANT who preached that BLACKS in RHODESIA did not need EDUCATION! In Rhodesia, Whites were 15% of population, but at University of Rhodesia, u could be lucky to find 20% Blacks. That was UNIVERSITY for WHITES built in WHITES ONLY area. Smith's doctrine was: "The MOST DANGEROUS APE IS AN EDUCATED BLACK" & he had INFERIOR EDUCATION SYSTEM for BLACKS!
mchigubu 3 years ago
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Read and analyze UNESCO reports, Mchigubu. Then come up with a judgement. Only 250,000 (4%, not 15) of Rhodesias 6 million population was white. The number of blacks doubled every 20 years. Blacks paid <1% of all taxes. Whites could not provide nearly million of black children with the same level of education as their own kids without destroying their education system. To give all African children the same education would require in 1967 L250 million. Total GDP was L366 million.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Read and analyze UNESCO reports, Mchigubu. Then come up with a judgement. Only 250,000 (4%, not 15) of Rhodesias 6 million population was white. The number of blacks doubled every 20 years. Blacks paid <1% of all taxes. Whites could not provide nearly million of black children with the same level of education as their own kids without destroying their education system. To give all African children the same education would require in 1967 L250 million. Total GDP was L366 million.
Znaika1 2 years ago
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Whites could have just dropped the idea of black education, however they did not. Given the demography, black rule was inevitable in some time. The need for black middle class was desperate, so the government adopted strategy of educational pyramid: all blacks would receive basic education, only successful ones would receive secondary education and same number of black and white would receive university education, so that in 10-20 years there would be enough educated blacks to form black elite.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Whites could have just dropped the idea of black education, however they did not. Given the demography, black rule was inevitable in some time. The need for black middle class was desperate, so the government adopted strategy of educational pyramid: all blacks would receive basic education, only successful ones would receive secondary education and same number of black and white would receive university education, so that in 10-20 years there would be enough educated blacks to form black elite.
Znaika1 2 years ago
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So, you are wrong. In 1972, 21 million was spent on education of white children and 20 million on blacks. Primary enrolment was 40,000 whites, 700,000 blacks. Secondary enrolment was already equal: 28,000 whites, 29,000 blacks. In 1972, 978 students were registered at the University of Rhodesia: 510 whites, 478 blacks and other races. With these policies by 90s there would have been educated black middle class, but ZANU/ZAPU did not allow this to happen.
P.S. Your caps lock is still jammed.
Znaika1 3 years ago
So, you are wrong. In 1972, 21 million was spent on education of white children and 20 million on blacks. Primary enrolment was 40,000 whites, 700,000 blacks. Secondary enrolment was already equal: 28,000 whites, 29,000 blacks. In 1972, 978 students were registered at the University of Rhodesia: 510 whites, 478 blacks and other races. With these policies by 90s there would have been educated black middle class, but ZANU/ZAPU did not allow this to happen.
P.S. Your caps lock is still jammed.
Znaika1 2 years ago
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Znaika1: DONT LIE about TYRANT SMITH who didnt allow Blacks to be educated. Blacks, denied of education in motherland escaped by night to Mozambique/Zambia/South Africa & fly abroad if offered SCHOLARSHIPS! This is how FREEDOM FIGHTERS from outside RHODESIA began when Blacks sneaked out for higher education. Blacks who stayed were denied entry to RHODESIA UNIVERSITY for WHITES only. Blacks in Rhodesia were for teaching/nursing / preaching/ woodwork & garden boys & housemaids for WHITES!
mchigubu 3 years ago
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Scholarships? They were promised scholarship and then cheated and forced into ZIPRA this way. They did not volunteer. Read Narratives of Rhodesian Guerrillas, Mchigubu. This will give you a good insight.
As for University of Salisbury - it was both for blacks and whites. See my next message with UNESCO data.
P.S. Your caps lock jammed again :)
Znaika1 3 years ago
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Even if it wasn't policy he didn't nothing to stop it.Then ask yourself, why would zanu use violence against white? Is there something in their history that would provoke racial violence? Give me info please.
southbobby 3 years ago
The only way to avoid racism is to make sure that all races have equal opportunities and _succeed_ in using them. Racism will exist as long as one race is perpetually uneducated, unskilful and is only capable of cheap labour. Given the demographic trends, it was clear to Rhodesian government as early as in the 60ies that Rhodesia will eventually be ruled by black majority. Rhodesia tried to prepare black majority to rule the country: it made tremendous efforts in the area of public education.
Znaika1 3 years ago
The only way to avoid racism is to make sure that all races have equal opportunities and _succeed_ in using them. Racism will exist as long as one race is perpetually uneducated, unskilful and is only capable of cheap labour. Given the demographic trends, it was clear to Rhodesian government as early as in the 60ies that Rhodesia will eventually be ruled by black majority. Rhodesia tried to prepare black majority to rule the country: it made tremendous efforts in the area of public education.
Znaika1 2 years ago
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This is why Zimbabwe inherited superb educational system. In 1972 675,000 black kids and 57,000 white kids were in school. According to the 1964 UNESCO Report 91.5 percent of all children was at school (for comparison - in Nigeria - 40.8 percent, in Sudan - 15.9 percent, in Ethiopia 5 percent). Rhodesian government paid 100% of their education expenses; effectively white minority paid for education of blacks as in 1969 all Africans (96% of the population) contributed less than 1% of all taxes.
Znaika1 3 years ago
This is why Zimbabwe inherited superb educational system. In 1972 675,000 black kids and 57,000 white kids were in school. According to the 1964 UNESCO Report 91.5 percent of all children was at school (for comparison - in Nigeria - 40.8 percent, in Sudan - 15.9 percent, in Ethiopia 5 percent). Rhodesian government paid 100% of their education expenses; effectively white minority paid for education of blacks as in 1969 all Africans (96% of the population) contributed less than 1% of all taxes.
Znaika1 2 years ago
The number of blacks and whites in the University of Salisbury was equal. Appearing black middle class provided conditions for peaceful transition to equal representation of blacks in all areas over the period of 30 to 50 years (by now), however this tendency deprived black nationalists of support and so they chose the way of confrontation, boycotted 1962 elections (thus doing a bad service Whiteheads party that favoured social advancement of blacks) and waged civil war on Rhodesian government.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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You make it seem so good when Ian was in power. You should talk to blacks who where in zim at that time to understand the racial atmosphere at that time.You have no knowledge of black suffering and dismay. YOu just care about how good it was for whites. Are you racist?
southbobby 3 years ago
I'm not saying that everything was so good. There were serious problems stemming from huge gap between rich and poor and almost complete absence of black middle class. These problems were aggravated by the fact that most of poor were black and most of rich were white, but this difference is actually misleading. Indeed the same situation has repeated in countries of the same race. Some of these countries managed to avoid communism (like Germany or Italy) and some did not (like Russia or China).
Znaika1 3 years ago
Here is where I see the true cause of this kind of problems. When the society is deeply divided on extra poor majority and extra rich minority, it provides fertile grounds for communists: they offer to the poor simple answers to the questions why and what to do. They politicize the poor and mobilize them for armed struggle. After the revolution it always appears that communist state is the new capitalist and those who were poor become poorer and those who mobilized the poor become new rich.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Could Rhodesia evade this fate? There were many missed opportunities on all sides. Rhodesia should have been growing local black middle class which by its very presence would instil racial tolerance and mitigated white racism. They should have started education of blacks twenty years earlier. Black leaders should have been a more patient and supported liberal reforms proposed at 1962 elections instead of boycotting it. Britain should have supported Rhodesian government instead of shunning it.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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Znaika1: If u are do not "BELIEVE BLACKS ARE INHERENTLY INFERIOR OR THAT ZIMBABWE'S PROBLEMS ARE DUE TO RACE" according to your words, why then do u turn a BLIND EYE to ATROCITIES & TERRORISM committed against BLACKS By IAN SMITH? Why do u NEVER attack crimes committed by non-BLACKS? Why are u so overly obsessed to have MUGABE a BLACK hanged, while U NEVER make references to NUMEROUS WHITES out there who've committed far worse crimes than what your obssession drives u to write about? RACISM!
mchigubu 3 years ago
"why then do u turn a BLIND EYE to ATROCITIES & TERRORISM committed against BLACKS By IAN SMITH"
Because I am not aware of it. Give me at least one example of a terrorist act against blacks that was approved by Ian Smith and we will take it from there. As far as I know it has never been a policy of Ian Smith to kill people just because they were black. On the opposite it was a policy of ZANU from the very inception to kill white farmers, their wives and children just for their skin colour.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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Znaika1
I see your logic is faltering.Again you mentioned whites being killed by blacks,but you think whites have never commited any violence against blacks in Zim.What are you thinking?You need a reality check.
southbobby 3 years ago
I am waiting for mchigubu to provide me an example of a terrorist act against blacks that was approved by Ian Smith. You can join him in his futile efforts.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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So do you think there was never any violence against blacks in Zim? Come on Znaika you can't be falling apart now. I thought you would come up with some info defending white violence in Zim.
southbobby 3 years ago
Did I use the word 'never'? Did I speak about just any violence? Do not pretend you don't understand. I said 'it has never been a policy of Ian Smith to kill people just because they were black. On the opposite it was a policy of ZANU from the very inception to kill white farmers, their wives and children just for their skin colour'. Do you know what the word 'policy' means? It is a pre-approved action plan. Ian Smith has never pre-approved killing civilians for their skin colour, ZANU did.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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So you're saying a white in Zim never killed a black for reasons based soley on race?Give info on why whites commit violence againt blacks period. Tell me something.Don't stop with the propaganda now. Tell me why whites hate.
southbobby 3 years ago
I did not say this. Please don't put the words into my mouth. I said 'it has never been a policy of Ian Smith to kill people just because they were black. It was a policy of ZANU to kill whites just for their skin colour'.
Are you still unable to produce a single example of what you are incriminating to Ian Smith's government?
Isn't it because there is none? I can give you tens of names of Mugabe's victims complete with dates, places and grim circumstances of their deaths, no problem.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Doesn't the truth burn, mchigubu?
Znaika1 3 years ago
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Znaika1 U've no clue of practical ZIMBABWE political history. U never lived Rhodesia wearing BLACK skin! U never lived under Rhodesia's APARTHEID. U were never jailed for holding clear beer bottle wearing Black skin. U were never the BLACK forced to bleach/destroy melanin for Front Office job under Smith. U were NOT jailed 10 years receiving electric shocks 4X weekly & water boarding 4 talking FREEDOM in BLACK skin under Smith. U weren't called KAFFIR "N" word Smith termed surviving Blacks!
mchigubu 3 years ago
True, I have never lived in Rhodesia; did you live there? Regardless, it is not required to live some place to be able to come up with a qualified judgement about it. Otherwise the entire science of human history would have been not possible. I assure you I do know enough about Zim political history to come up with such judgement. There was no institutionalized apartheid in Rhodesia. There was racism, but it was not enshrined in the law. All codes and Rhodesian constitution were colour blind.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Also, I am not saying that whites did not commit any crime against blacks. For instance Industrial Conciliation Act disfavoured black workers. But things should be seen in balance: for instance in 1969 50% of educational budget was for education of blacks; 91.5% of all black children went to school. At the same time blacks contributed to less than 1% or all taxes. So on average one white family with two children paid for education of another 50 black children. And this is just one example.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Finally, if you look at the entire picture: education, health care, job opportunities and legal framework, you will realize that Rhodesia provided for smooth migration from white minority rule to white and black middle class rule in 30 to 50 years time frame (by now). Blacks had excellent opportunities to accept positive reforms at least twice: in 1962 and in 1972. However black nationalist leaders did not want it and led black majority to confrontation. White government failed to avert it.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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Znaika1 Smith the Bomber never got tried. Where were u? Smith bombed millions of BLACKS in Zimbabwe & Nyadzonia who dared free themselves from tyranny & oppression of Settler Regime. U never told the world to have Smith hanged. Rhodesia Front labelled "TERRORIST" any Black who revolted against his DISCRMINATORY LAWS, nobody suggested to have him hanged. Smith's Rhodesia Front relocated BLACKS in Concentration CAMPS called KEEPS, paid heavily BLACK "informers" forced at gunpoint to sell out!
mchigubu 3 years ago
It was a policy and practice of ZANU and ZAPU to attack and kill white people in Rhodesia regardless of who they were. ZANU terrorists were sent to Rhodesia with an objective to attack white farms and to kill all whites and those blacks who collaborate with whites. On the opposite, it has never been a policy of Rhodesia to kill black civilians just because they were black. Civilian casualties happened, as they happen in any war, but they have not been an objective, unlike of guerrillas' case.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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Znaika1 U suggest Mugabe should be hanged, what reasons do u have besides that he's a BLACK CIVIL rights leader, who had respect of Mr. Martin Luther King, & whose wife Lady Coretta King visited DZIMBAHWE to affirm Black CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST, Mr. Robert Mugabe! This insatiable appetite to kill BLACK LEADERS must end! Countless BLACK ACTVISTS have been assassinated for voicing FREEDOM & SOCIAL JUSTICE, that MUST stop! Mugabe didnt drop bombs on any country's people why hang him, NOT BOMBERS?
mchigubu 3 years ago
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Bombers will hopefully deserve their own trial; Mugabe deserved his own one. He was in charge of ZANU. In 70s ZANU deliberately killed white civilians, including children and women and those blacks that worked for whites. In 80s they purposely gang raped, mass murdered and burnt entire villages of blacks in Matabeleland, tens of thousands were murdered. In 2000 they robbed white farmers of their land. Including those who bought this land after 1980. Now cholera. Yes, Mugabe should be tried.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Bombers will hopefully deserve their own trial; Mugabe deserved his own one. He was in charge of ZANU. In 70s ZANU deliberately killed white civilians, including children and women and those blacks that worked for whites. In 80s they purposely gang raped, mass murdered and burnt entire villages of blacks in Matabeleland, tens of thousands were murdered. In 2000 they robbed white farmers of their land. Including those who bought this land after 1980. Now cholera. Yes, Mugabe should be tried.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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LONG LIVE THE GREAT MUGABE!
southbobby 3 years ago
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Mugabe should be tried and hanged. In 1982 he started Gukurahundi - terror and murder of Ndebele people who did not want to align with ZANU. The scale of atrocities obscured Nazis: 3 FEB 1983: Mass beating of villagers and shooting of 2 young pregnant girls, followed by their being bayonetted open to reveal the still moving foetuses. 13 FEB 1983: Whole village beaten, and 7 shot dead, including a teacher, after digging their own grave. Witnesses refer to a fountain of blood from the pit.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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znaika
blah blah blah. Gukur was labeled a terror organation by ian the evil. Mugabe is for black empowerment.period.I know you are not black so you don't care.
southbobby 3 years ago
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Oh, yes? Why don't you read official report? Just google Catholic Commission for Justice and Peace in Zimbabwe. It is not labelling. It states facts along with names, dates and places. It is a 106 page PDF document, but you can go straight to page 56, chapter 5 - the village by village summary - detailing of incidents according to time and place. You will feel nausea after reading a few pages.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Oh, yes? Why don't you read official report? Just google Catholic Commission for Justice and Peace in Zimbabwe. It is not labelling. It states facts along with names, dates and places. It is a 106 page PDF document, but you can go straight to page 56, chapter 5 - the village by village summary - detailing of incidents according to time and place. You will feel nausea after reading a few pages.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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Catholic Commission for Peace?What about the peace among blacks and whties?Most of the religious groups from Europe were there to subdue and control the minds of blacks anyway.
They never condemed the colonist brits on a serious level.
southbobby 3 years ago
Are you contemplating that the report is falsified and the events did not take place? This is ridiculous; even on youtube you will find live testimonials. There is no doubt that all of it indeed happened.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Mugabe should be tried and hanged. In 1982 he started Gukurahundi - terror and murder of Ndebele people who did not want to align with ZANU. The scale of atrocities obscured Nazis: 3 FEB 1983: Mass beating of villagers and shooting of 2 young pregnant girls, followed by their being bayonetted open to reveal the still moving foetuses. 13 FEB 1983: Whole village beaten, and 7 shot dead, including a teacher, after digging their own grave. Witnesses refer to a fountain of blood from the pit.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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You keep saying Mugabe should be tried and hanged, but you failed to menition what should happen to the evil brits.I know why BECAUSE YOU ARE A RACIST WHITE right.If not you should support Mugabe.
southbobby 3 years ago
I don't remember Brits doing anything even remotely resembling Mugabe's atricities since WWII. Remind me please.
This is where your weak point is, Southbobby: I give you facts - you, for the lack of any factual infornation is unable to attack the speech, so you attack the speaker.
You may ignore this, but I am not a racist because I do not believe blacks are inherently inferior or that Zimbabwes problems are due to race. Indeed the same problems existed elsewhere, including Europe.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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Znaika1: Every country in the world has corrupt leaders, and some believe in constitutions that say "Blacks are sub-human". BUT, the people in those nations do not get punished by evil sanctions! Sanctions on Zimbabwe are diabolic and if intended to punish corrupt leaders, unfortunately those sanctions are hurting the poor, BIG TIME! SATANIC sanctions exist in ZIMBABWE, but some are in DENIAL!
mchigubu 3 years ago
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Not every country in the world has corrupt leaders and I am not aware of any country which constitution would say or even imply that blacks are "sub humans". Last such country was South Africa.
As for the sanctions, I told you - there none. The real problem is that (a) industry does not manufacture goods the way it did and (b) most of commercial farms have been given to new owners who perform only at a fraction of the past efficiency. Hence, no product for the money and hyperinflation.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Not every country in the world has corrupt leaders and I am not aware of any country which constitution would say or even imply that blacks are "sub humans". Last such country was South Africa.
As for the sanctions, I told you - there none. The real problem is that (a) industry does not manufacture goods the way it did and (b) most of commercial farms have been given to new owners who perform only at a fraction of the past efficiency. Hence, no product for the money and hyperinflation.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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Znaika1: Sanctions in Zimbabwe exist! In 1600s when slavery existed, there were two kinds of slave trades: public auctions & scrambles. At auctions slaves were placed on a high platform so dealers and plantation owners could see them and make bids. Each slave went to highest bidder. Scrambles were worse! Rhodes committed both in today's ZIMBABWE! Anyone who rebelled was hanged! Sanctions on Zimbabwe kill the poor with hyper-inflation, vestiges of slavery by RHODES' 1800's past policies!
mchigubu 3 years ago
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You mixed here "sanctions" and Rhodes. I replied to you on sanctions already, so I will refrain from repeating myself.
As for the Rhodes committing slave auctions in today's Zimbabwe, I will remind you that
Rhodes died in 1902.
Znaika1 3 years ago
You mixed here "sanctions" and Rhodes. I replied to you on sanctions already, so I will refrain from repeating myself.
As for the Rhodes committing slave auctions in today's Zimbabwe, I will remind you that
Rhodes died in 1902.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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SATANIC sanctions exist in Zimbabwe, & are punishing the majority of innocent Blacks! Mugabe was duped to devalue the Zim dollar by IMF, and today the SATANIC embargo impoverishes the innocent poor!
mchigubu 3 years ago
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Do they? Ok, prove it. Give me and name of Zim company not on the black list that has been rejected an export or import deal and the date when it happened. I bet you will not be able to. This is why "sanctions" you are talking about do not exist. The problem is not inability to export what has been produced, but that Zimbabwe produces too little. There are no stockpiles of tobacco, maize or chrome waiting for a buyer. Sanctions are only against corrupt ZANU officials and their businesses.
Znaika1 3 years ago
Do they? Ok, prove it. Give me and name of Zim company not on the black list that has been rejected an export or import deal and the date when it happened. I bet you will not be able to. This is why "sanctions" you are talking about do not exist. The problem is not inability to export what has been produced, but that Zimbabwe produces too little. There are no stockpiles of tobacco, maize or chrome waiting for a buyer. Sanctions are only against corrupt ZANU officials and their businesses.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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Mugabe is my hero.
Whites never talk about how white farmers got the land in the first place. Now you want mugabe removed and using white sanctions against Zim.You white people are destroying this planet!
Who will purify this planet for the sake of mankind?!?
southbobby 3 years ago
"Mugabe is my hero."
This clearly shows, southbobby.
Znaika1 3 years ago
mugabe is dictactor like Hitler and none of the world leaders are doing anything about it are they intimadated by that dickhead?
999chek 3 years ago
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Dridler00 Its how Blair/UK duped Mugabe by revoking Lancaster Agreement, a LEGAL CONTRACT signed by Mugabe/Nkomo/UK officials saying that after 10 years, Britain would compensate White Farmers for land to be redistributed to landless Blacks! Blair duped Mugabe by revoking contract. Blair/US/EU ganged against Mugabe by imposing ILLEGAL SATANIC sanctions! See why "MUGABE IS GETTING CRAZIER EVERY YEAR"! HOSNI MUBARAK has ruled Egypt 25+ years, Bongo of Gabon has ruled for 41 years. Define FOOL
mchigubu 3 years ago
Read Lancaster agreement first, man. It is only a few pages.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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heikkuri, When Rhodes (1800s) came to Zimbabwe, it was Kingdom of Munhumutapa. Thru greed, he overturned Kingdom, enslaving, usurping power, stealing gold, diamonds & wealth from the Kingdom. When his cronies raped Black women, he chose to segregate & call them Coloreds, killing their husbands at will! Rhodes committed the worst genocide of Blacks ever reported in ZIMBO history, forcing Blacks from their land, forcing Black men into mines "Mutandizi" were thousands were massacred: GENOCIDE!
mchigubu 3 years ago
Rewriting the history, mchligubu?
Rhodes can in 1888. The mineral rights agreement was signed with Ndebele (aggressive Zulu tribe) king Lobengula, whose father, Mzilikazi, came to Rhodesia only 50 years earlier and slaughtered Shona who were peaceful Bantu tribe and could not resist militarized Ndebele. Shona evaded Ndebele by moving far to North East. Between Ndebele and Shona was no man's land, which is why Rhodes decided to build there a capital, Salisbury (now Harare).
Znaika1 3 years ago
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Dear Reverend Desmond Tutu, You seem to be overly attacking Zimbabwe every now and again. We applaud that you won US$50,000 for Nobel Prize. The next thing we see from online news on Africa is about your venomous attack on Zimbabwe! For once, why don't you stop the BIGOTRY and DENOUNCE the EVIL, SATANIC, ILLEGAL SANCTIONS imposed on Zimbabwe? If you do not feel comfortable to talk about that, talk about the CHILD PROSTITUTION in South Africa, or poverty pervasive to Blacks in Soweto? ENOUGH
mchigubu 3 years ago
There are no sanctions. What you call "sanctions" is the refusal by US banks (e.g. IMF) to give Mugabe any more money. It is by no means "sanctions", it is simply a refusal to finance his corrupt regime! The only real sanctions are against personal effects and businesses owned by about 200 corrupt government officials. And even these sanctions are by US and EU only. The true obstacle for a trade is that there is nothing Zim can offer the world: both its economy and agriculture have collapsed.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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heikkuri, Its not about White farmers teaching Blacks! Zimbabwe went through guerilla warfare, Zambia didn't! Zimbabwe was duped by Rhodes in 1800s to sign & surrender all land, mineral wealth, & its people to BRITAIN. Zambia didn't go thru such! Zimbabwe was later ruled under SEGREGATION by IAN SMITH who believed every Black person is subhuman, & must be enslaved & not educated, Zambia didn't go such! Zimbabwe fought for land, not Zambia! Mugabe dismantled SEGREGATION! EVIL SANCTIONS KILL!
mchigubu 3 years ago
Zambia and Zimbabwe did not exist as such in the 1800s. Mugabe replaced segregation with terror and genocide. While segregation is reprehensible, how much more so is the killing of your own people, whatever their color.
heikkuri 3 years ago
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To proudly state that the life expectancy in Zimbabwe is 35 years sounds pervasive! Denounce the illegal, Satanic, EVIL sanctions that are causing shortages in Zimbabwe while enhancing the wallets of a chosen few who are amassing huge amounts of usdollars and using for own greedy machinations! LIFT SATANIC SANCTIONS that have diminished the life expectancy of the majority poor, while the wealthy few eat themselves out and look obese while others are undernourished!
mchigubu 3 years ago
Mugabe is the one who is stockpiling money for his eventual getaway. I don't think you know what pervasive means, because it doesn't make sense contextually in your sentence as written.
heikkuri 3 years ago
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hekkuri, As researcher, I wrote to us Congress to lift sanctions imposed on Zimbabwe, following my ethnography, & book I wrote on plight of masses of poor families & children now impacted by failed foreign policy of Evil SANCTIONS. I received a letter detailing how us$10 million had been set aside for regime change. I have the document & if you have a document about the stockpile you mention, thats great! As I have tangible proof of the document, I shall keep giving voice to marginalized poor
mchigubu 3 years ago
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As we talk openly about ghost voters in Zimbabwe, lets unravel open secret that some opposition party members in Zimbabwe get ten million usdollars for regime change! As a researcher, last year I wrote to Kongrez requesting that ILLEGAL, SATANIC Sanctions be lifted as they hurt majority Negro poor, while enhancing wallets of the elite few! They responded with a letter stating ten millioni usdollars had been set aside to fund "Zim Regime Change"! Who gets BIG bucks, as trillions rot in poverty?
mchigubu 3 years ago
As billions "rot in poverty," Mugabe's cronies are awarded lands illegally taken from white farmers. Stop labelling everything as Satanic. It undermines your credibility. People will think you're a nut.
heikkuri 3 years ago
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heikkuri, SATANIC SANCTIONS, imposed illegally to punish majority poor. No matter how one chooses to call one a"NUT", Zimbabwe has been turned into JAIL, where unemployment has hiked to 80% & inflation 238million%. Illegal sanctions have turned Zimbabwe into a PRISON! That is SATANIC, DISCRIMINATORY as it affects poor Blacks! SATANIC SANCTIONS MUST BE REMOVED. I have never seen Mr Mugabe or Mr Tsvangirai wearing tattered clothes, but majority I see are poor! Hence sanctions hurt underclass
mchigubu 3 years ago
mugu
DrIdler00 3 years ago
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There are no sanctions. What you call "sanctions" is the refusal by US banks (e.g. IMF) to give Mugabe any more money. It is by no means "sanctions", it is simply a refusal to finance his corrupt regime! The only real sanctions are against personal effects and businesses owned by about 200 corrupt government officials. And even these sanctions are by US and EU only. The true obstacle for a trade is that there is nothing Zim can offer the world: both its economy and agriculture have collapsed.
Znaika1 3 years ago
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There are no sanctions. What you call "sanctions" is the refusal by US banks (e.g. IMF) to give Mugabe any more money. It is by no means "sanctions", it is simply a refusal to finance his corrupt regime! The only real sanctions are against personal effects and businesses owned by about 200 corrupt government officials. And even these sanctions are by US and EU only. The true obstacle for a trade is that there is nothing Zim can offer the world: both its economy and agriculture have collapsed.
Znaika1 3 years ago
plan and simple mugabe doesn't care about how whites feel.they're wasting their time with this inflation,cholera, and zanu pf stories.
southbobby 3 years ago
While we are wasting our time, what are you doing? Saving the world? What does a black man from Mississippi know about Africa? Duh, of course Mugabe doesn't care about whites. That is hardly the observation of the century. Anything that educates ignorant black Americans about Africa is a success. You wouldn't last 5 minutes with African blacks.
johannesdow 3 years ago
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I wouldn't last 5 minutes with african blacks?
Africans are the only option i have to learn about africa.I'm not that silly to believe anything from such hateful whites.I started learning about africa when i found out i didn't come from europe.hehe
Don't get so mad.
go mugabe go!
southbobby 3 years ago
Did you even watch the video? Mugabe and his party are faking voter lists. What does color matter where justice is concerned? Don't whites have a right to take a stand on issues? These stories are true. You need an attitude adjustment.
usa1964girl 3 years ago
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usa1964,
So what if he did actually fake voters?Britain colonized them;stop over looking your own evil behavior. He's trying to cut off all ties to the west and i hope he gets rid of democracy.You can take a stand on issues, but mugabe does want anything to do with you people.
southbobby 3 years ago
Bobby,1.That he actually faked voters is illustrative of his evil, and lack of fairness. That you see nothing wrong casts suspicion on your own ethics.2.I am American, and Britain's colonization of Zimbabwe is hardly "my own evil behavior." 3. Cutting off ties to the West has already occurred through Western sanctions.4. Hoping he gets rid of democracy makes you ideologically, undemocratic, i.e. repressive. 5. What hwe wants is not at question, it is what his methods are in attaining his goals.
usa1964girl 3 years ago
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Why are you worried about zim? They only see you as evil pinks.
All this news and propaganda is to convince white to intervene in the white farmers interest.Let the niggers suffer as you whites say.
southbobby 3 years ago
Why are YOU worried about Zim? Or not worried, as it were. It is about to go bankrupt. Millions have fled. You CAN'T possibly think he's doing a good job. When the whites were there, Zim still have a thriving economy. How can blacks benefit from joblessness and starvation? Just look at Zambia, which welcomes WHITE AFRICANS and their economic situation has improved. I think your views against whites in Africa parallel your own hatred of white Americans.
usa1964girl 3 years ago
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It's not like the blacks in Zambia have access to global markets, be serious. They'rejust cheap labor in a system they didn't ask for.Whites had no intention to teach blacks how to progress in a european system.Then they would be competition.
All in the name of money.
southbobby 3 years ago
Hello? Zambia had self-rule long before Zimbabwe. And it had fewer whites. It is their system. And they have fewer problems than Zim, don't they? White farmers are teaching blacks to farm in ambia and Nigeria. Why must Zimbabwe be so stupid? Because of Mugabe's racism.
heikkuri 3 years ago
yes mugabe is getting crazier every year.
how did that fool live so damned long...
DrIdler00 3 years ago
u r not serious bobby people are dying at the hands of this lunatic don't u have a heart. u wouldn't last a min if u were to go to zim and c 4 ur self what he has done.
jefmuj 3 years ago
i wanted to give u 10 thumbs up but hey there is no freedom of expression here.
jefmuj 3 years ago
All the crimes are caused by MDC people who are doing everyhting to sabotage mugabe so that the world will hate him.MDC is behind all the killing.Mugabe will never do such a thing because he loves his people
takoradiguy 3 years ago
The MDC doesn't need to sabotage Mugabe to make the world hate him because they already do. Did MDC bring down the Hunyani? Did MDC kill the Ndebele? No, it wasn't even in existence at that time. It Is Mugabe. You are brainwashed.
johannesdow 3 years ago
Oh media,enough is enough.Everyday brandnew propaganda.
takoradiguy 3 years ago
Oh, people, enough is enough; everyday, brand new crimes exposed.
heikkuri 3 years ago
aljazeera news is controlled by the west. they bombed and bombed the aljazeera station in iraq for showing america as the enemy.
Now they are doing shows about Africa?hehe what a joke
southbobby 3 years ago
Why would they bomb their flunkies? Why would their lackeys report something negative about them? They didn't, you're just wrong.
heikkuri 3 years ago
Are you fucking serious?They didn't bomb aljazeera? google it before you make a fool of yourself again.
southbobby 3 years ago
No, fool, they didn't bomb their flunkies and lackies, as you claim, because the west does NOT control aljazeera. You are simply wrong, as well as wrongfully simple. If the west controlled aljazeera as you asserted earlier, they wouldn't be bombing them would they? If they controlled aljazeera, then aljazeera wouldn't be reporting bad things about them (the west) as you claim, now would they? I am not saying they didn't bomb them, I am saying they didn't bomb who they control. That's senseless
heikkuri 3 years ago
What's your point dude? Are you now going to try to convince me aljazeera is any different from bbc,american propaganda , and other european news corporations? Who cares what they have to say besides people who don't know anything and have to take every word for truth.
southbobby 3 years ago
My point is that it is indeed different. That it is not controlled by the West is the reason it was bombed! Why does Mugabe prevent journalists from freely going to Zimbabwe?
heikkuri 3 years ago
heikkuri, Its an open secret that incoming usforeign policy secretary of state set aside ten million usdollars to fund some members for Zimbabwe's Regime Change! Mugabe was labeled terrorist by Smith, jailed for 10 years for trying to dismantle RACISM, SEGREGATION, & EXPLOITATION of BLACKS, was electricuted, water-boarded, & named COMMUNIST. ZANUPF was named "TERRORIST" With ILLEGAL SATANIC SANCTIONS, Mugabe acts with cynicism! Treat person like rabid dog he'll bark like one. Try RESPECT & see
mchigubu 3 years ago
see my "vids" online now before youtube takes them off again R
kevkan1974 3 years ago
U someone lick my puss 0
560887577 3 years ago
Oh god, at least Al Jazeera interviews people in question instead of being the CNN Sound bit Rememeber kids Mugabe is bad, Tsvingirai is good. Thank god for objective reporting. (but Al Jazeera does suffer from other weaknesses, it overstretches itself and tends to biased towards their hobbyhorses).
Bozewani 3 years ago
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You can do something about Zimbabwe besides wring your hands. Please see video posted by Acts520.
Acts520 3 years ago
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look at mugabe idiot dictator and killer to hell with him
mugabemboroako 3 years ago
yes mugabe crooked the voters role by adding people that werent even there
mugabesanus 3 years ago
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was in dande and saw with my eyes people eating frogs, blaz in my kumusha, they were so hungry they are eating frogs and mbewa rats, you zanu pf people are going to pay my grandfather was sick but because he was MDC HE WAS GIVEN NO FOOD AND DIED BLAZO MHATA TO YOU PLLE
chigudo 3 years ago
zimbabwe's official inflation index is 2,000,000% check out my profile and watch my video on it
talkwallstreetdotorg 3 years ago
The ZANU PF youth militia forced scores of voters in Morgenster in Masvingo to go and cast their votes for ZANU PF candidate Robert Mugabe. The youths have launched operation Chigunwe Tione (Lets See Your
Finger) to see if people had voted or not. Those whose finger does not show red ink are brutalized.
The operation is meant to flush out