I bet it was painful for Madden to have to say that, he NEVER seemed to like the Redskins. He never gave them the credit they deserved even in their winning years!
@ruadhrose you are so right ...when the pats where 16-0 in 07 he did a feature of the 07 pats vs the best nfl teams ever...not once were the 1991 redskins ever mentioned..i was like WTF????..the 91 skins was maybe the most complete NFL team ever!!!!
a true great he doesn't have a huge highlight reel for 20 years of play but that's all credit to his cover skills when the qb wont throw the ball to his receiver
and one of the few great football players who wasn't a arrogant POS one of the few who stuck with one team through good or bad times
people STOP with the Darrell beat Carl Lewis(YOUTUBE NFL TOP 100 DARRELL GREEN) Lewis sets it STRAIGHT= Green NEVER beat him !!! again green's best 100m
on modern rubberized surface track 10.08 bob hayes 47 yrs ago on a dead loose dirt track in Tokyo 10.05(and IT WAS electronic)Seiko the watch corp. had electronic timing built right into the starters pistol,so the millisecond it went off timing started hayes also ran 9.91 with wind just over legal on that same dead dirt track=crazy !
Every single game the Redskins put him against every top receiver in the NFL had to offer and he would proceed to shut them all down. Not too mention he was a class act- Unlike many of todays stars.
I will never forget him starting (way behind) then accelerating to catch Tony Dorsett. AMAZING!
one more thing rod woodson first covered jerry rice 1 on 1 in 1990 rice game stats in that game 3 catchs 30 yds so please dont say rice couldnt be covered by these guys
@chadalea oh yeah you are funny..tell me.. how many fastest man in the NFL competitions did rice win???...please repeat what you said to yourself 3 times and then smack yourself in the head 6 times for saying something so stupid...
@collin355 I did smack myself and realized something. Before Rice's injury, show me any corner that caught him from behind. As far as the NFL fastest man, Green definitely owned that title. Rice had game speed. Green, Woodson, Sanders, etc. could not keep up with Rice. He gets faster as the game goes on. If they could up with him, he would not have had 208TDS, 1500+receptions, and 22,000+receiving yards. Watch Jerry Rice Highlights thats 4:33 long. He burns Sanders twice, and Green falls.
@chadalea Spoken like a true 49er fan..ur funny..rice was a great wr but were talkin speed here and rice was "never" in the same class as green or gault or ron brown and bob hayes..and had ur 49ers played in the NFC east in the 80s they would never had won as many games as they did...49ers won only 5 more regular season games than the skins did in da 80s and they played in a crappy division..try playin the cowboys eagles and giants twice a year instead of those shitty NFC west teams..lol
@collin355 Actually, Im not a 49er fan, but Im a Rice fan. Once again, we are talking about speed on the damn gridiron. Carl Lewis was faster than Darrell Green, but I guarantee Lewis was not faster than Green on the field. Rice had game speed. Your speed is different when you have someone chasing your ass. Who gives a shit about speed off the field. And by you comparing the Skins to the 49ers in 80s, now thats funny as hell. 49ers use to spank the skins damn near everytime they played.
@collin355 Yea but Jerry Rice wasn't a 49er yet in 84. With Jerry Rice, we were able to beat the skins in the 2 playoff games after that one in the early 90s. Throughout most of their matchups, Jerry Rice has been able to put up pretty good numbers against Darrell Green. I'm not saying Darrell Green isn't great and hasn't had his moments against Rice, but I can't think of any player that has consistently take Rice out of games.
@ez3002008 Green had problems against bigger receivers...they would just screen him from the ball. That's what Rice did. He had 6 inches on Green (6'2" vs. 5'8").
@chadalea Actually, Rice's lack of true top end speed was obvious. Jessie Tuggle (Falcons MLB) caught him from behind in 1992. Green caught him from behind in this video. He never beat Deion for anything significant in his career (in part because Deion very rarely lined up against Rice). Rice benefited from offensive coordinators moving him around and getting him on second and third rate corners, if not linebackers.
That isn't to say he wasn't a great player, though.
@chadalea Rice never out-ran Green in his career. What he DID do was use his size to his advantage, shielding Green from the ball.
Rice could burn the slower corners in the league (such as Lionel Washington, Toi Cook, Charles Dimry, and Tim McKyer), and he got plenty of matchups versus those kinds of guys. But he didn't out-run anyone doing 4.4 or better. His brilliance after the catch is what put him on a different level. He was strong, he was fluid, and he was the toughest player of all-time
Darrell also catches Jerry Rice from behind in this video. Johnny (Mr. Superlative ) would claim that neon Deion was the fastest in the league one week and then he would say that Willie Gault was the fastest the next week and then maybe Darrell. It drove me crazy.
Darrell was the fastest guy I ever saw in football equipment except for Bullet Bob Hayes. Unfortunately, due to age differences they never faced each other.
DG is such a classy guy..he was very fast on the football field..and as a Dallas fan..you got to give it up to him..he was that good, and could catch just about everyone...I was very impressed by his induction speech into the HOF..and though I'm not a Washington fan, I am a DG fan..every team since he was drafted wishes they had a Darrell Greeen on their team.
@playmaker88 are you stupid are just an ignorant piece of shit????? TD didnt torch Green, Green was already falling over in that video and TD already had speed in his favor while Green was trying to gather himself, you cant even say TD torched Green, Green wouldve easily caught him like he did in this video. Make sure ur videos are legit before you post things like that and actually tell people to go see it, dumbass.
@RypeTomato He was falling over from that cut TD made, then he managed to stay on his feet and make a run at Tony, but he saw he wasnt going to gain any ground so he dove. The video doesnt lie... souind familiar?
In the vid Green catches Tony, I contend Tony saw him late and, and while TD DID pick up speed after Green came into view, he didnt have enough real estate to break away. But, your man caught him. Video doesnt lie.
Now I offer a video of Green getting beat by Tony, and you wanna ask me how many NFL Fastest Man did Dorsett win???? Irrelevant.
This guy has chased down more cream of the crop players then anyone in football ! Name three players who has chased down Tony Dorsett and Eric Dickerson from behind in open field ?! Then chased down some of NFL'S TOP recievers ! He was a class act on the field and even better off the field. That's hard to find in today ego crazy NFL ! Take notice T.O ! You were never this good !
@wyzard214 Owens chased down Julius Jones, Patrick Crayton, and Nick Collins from WAY behind. Caught up to Garrison Hearst to throw blocks in the 98 OT breakaway run vs. Jets. Nearly caught Robert Bailey from behind in 01 on Bailey's INT TD return, starting 10+ yards behind. Caught Travis Fisher from behind on INT return in first 03 Rams game. Ran record 9.02 in 2001 Superstars competition 100 yard dash. Second year in a row he won. Smoked former FSU sprinter Michael Jennings in 40 yard race.
@EmceeNolan any proof???? oh and by the way T.O was scared shitless of Sean Taylor...LMFAO!!!!...he was always looking over his shoulder when sean was coming at him..ummm incomplete pass...lol
But, dawg, earlier tho', the nigga broke his fuckin' rib cartilage. How is he runnin' with a broken rib cartilage? Look at this nigga holdin' his shit, du'. Dawg, he put the team on his back. Dawg, let's go inside the mind of a Darrell Green. Brdrdrdrdrdrp. "Dawg, I gotta do this shit. I put the team on my fuckin' back, du'. My rib cartilage broke, I don't know how the fuck I'm runnin' right now, du'. I'll do this shit....for da Redskins." ACROSS THE PLANEEEEEE. TOUCHDOOOWNNNNN Darrell. Green.
I hate when these white men try to always claim that black athletes are "gifted." This man works out like crazy and still continues to do so. Give the man credit for his work ethic as well instead of acting as if this is all just a "gift."
Even though Rice and the 49ers knocked the Redskins out of the playoffs twice it was amazing to see Jerry Rice and Darrell Green compete against each other. Darrell Green is my favorite Redskins player ever.
well i am a big Dorsett fan but the fact is there on film, Mr. Green caught Tony and stopped the Cowboys from scoring a touchdown.i was watching the game and was like who is that guy? i was still just a kid then, it was funny cause my brother was a redskin fan,lol, he just laughed about it .
You guys are so dumb. Darrell Green with or without pads would burn Dorsett in the 40 dash, or the entire football field starting at the same line. Unofficially clocked a 4.09 in 1988, and 4.2 at the age of 40. DO THE MATH
@haroonGTO He sure did run a 4.2 at the age of 40 immediately after he signed that 5-yr extension to show the Redskins that he was still a good investment.
what that richard petty thing and sealtle slew thing was that darrell could not out run a horse or a stock car but I will say this the best d back I ever seen I am a life long redskins fan I could go threw the players but my favorites of all time where riggo monk and darrell green they don't make nfl players like that anymore.
@301ricardo Agreed Ricardo I remember watching a episode of The NFL's Fastest Man and Primetime cheated twice in the 60 yd dash but no matter Darrell STILL SMOKED HIM
Hahaha, when I first watched this video, I went to look up NFL players named 'Richard Petty' and 'Seattle Slew', surprised I'd never heard of them if they were that fast..... Joke's on me there, eh?
Regardless, in a foot race if they both started at the same position, same yard line, Darrell would smoke Dorsett. 4.2 speed vs 4.4 Tony has no chance. HAIL
no im not admitting shit until your ignorant ass admits that green is one of the fastest to ever play the game. a 4x nfl fastest man award doesnt lie just admit it already, such a typical cowboys fan all they do is bitch and moan but they never man up
Green is one of the fastest who ever played the game. I never doubted that. He's a marvel. But there are factors in that play that are worth arguing. To disagree with that is just plain bias.
Green a rookie vs. a dorsett 6 yrs in the league. Yes he was still fast, but not fresh out of college fast. And dorsett did some weaving and circling before he got square with the sideline, so that gave Green time to set up a sprint. It takes energy avoiding tacklers and circling to the outside.,
yes it takes energy to avoid tacklers...but on alot of plays, after Tony avoids those tackles, most players still cant catch him..but darrell can, even if Tony had a straight shot
@playmayker88- that could happen as nobody says that he was the surest tackler of all time. If you are off balance it is hard to recover and catching Dorsett after that would be difficult for anybody. What makes this so impressive is that Darrell is about 7-10 yards behind and laterally far away and Dorsett is solid chugging with no barriers, not off balance and Darrell still runs him down like a father catching his little boy.
Dorsett doesnt become parallel with the sideline until Green is 1.5 yds behind and maybe 4 yds right of Tony. The video even pauses the instant Dorsett straightens out...So to say Dorsett is "chugging down the SL the whole time" is inaccurate. Tony was weaving thru tkls and looping to the outside. If anyone was in a straight line, it was Green who was bullseying a cut off point at the Sideline to cut Dorsett off.
@playmayker88 D green once beat Ron Brown who was in the Olympics in the 100 and he was undefeated on the NFL's fastest man race like four times. he never ever lost a race. he would kill Dorsett in a foot race.
Dorsett took it all the way on green a FEW times! Those happened to be plays where he actually knew where Green was on the feild and wasnt sheilded by another defender to block his view. I remember Tony putting a juke move on Green just passed the line of scrimmage that buckled Darrel's knees so hard that he had to put his hand on the ground to recover, then Tony burned it up the field 30 yards to the end zone with Green chasing and not catching.
No, thats the whole point. If Tony had a straight shot as Dickerson did when Green ran him down, we wouldnt be having this discussion.
Green had to dive to catch Dickerson. And anyone who thinks Dickerson is faster than Dorsett is fooling themselves, or youre just all-out Dallas haters.
He didn't really dive to catch Dickerson. Besides the fact that he was able to catch up to both of them from as far out as he was, shows that Darrell is way fast them both of them. Duh!!
Tony saw him late, and picked up speed but it was too late at that point. But great play by Darrell. I'll give him that play , for the sake of argument. But there are plenty of plays that he did not catch Tony. One in particular, Tony juked him so hard it nearly broke darrel's ankles and he hand to put his hand on the ground not to fall over.. and Tony took it 40 yds to the house with Green chasing.
And other plays in TD's 1st-5th year that Green wasnt gonna catch him
I didnt say Tony slowed down, I said he saw Green late because the LB was shielding his view until the end. When he saw green appear, he strided harder but it was too late.
Either way, I would love to have seen Green catch Tony on a Dickerson type play, where there were no tacklers to weave thru and no looping around LB's and burning energy before making a final sprint. Or the counter-delay Dorsett burned Atlanta on playing on turf for 60 yds. ( search: Tony Dorsett RB #2 )
type in "miller to michael haynes" green didn't catch ron brown from behind and in this vid haynes slows down 2 strides to catch the ball then throws it back into gear whengreen was already running full out and he pulled away from him
One more point on the thin line of fast and faster between 2 speedsters.
And its not something I'm contributing to the result of the Dorsett play. But more so in Off vs Def player in general, I'd just like everyone's thoughts on this.
Do you think carrying the football affects a guys speed to some degree, given that he cant use full extension with the arm he's carrying the football with?
(Like I said, this has more to do with body mechanics, not the weight of the football obviously.)
I'm sure it does, and maybe Tony wasn't full 100% until the end. But the first we see of Green he's at least a yard behind parallel to the yard markers, and probably 6 yards behind laterally.
Plus DG is reknowned for his speed in many other examples including multiple fastest man in NFL, if there's benefit of doubt it's surely to him and not Dorsett.
when you first see Green, Tony is not parallel withthe sideline yet, he's actually still curling around to the outside. When Dorsett DOES become parallel, the video freezes. At that point Green is only a yard and a half behind. not 6.
DG is not the only man reknowed for his speed. Afterall, catching Dorsett made Green famous.
I say theres plenty of reasonable boubt in this play. Like I said, proof would be catching Tony on the same play he caught Dickerson on.
But gfalkinder's point about the hypoteneuse is still sound. To make that clearer, imagine Green was on the opposite sideline and caught him. That lateral movement is still ground to cover. And it's a testament to Green's smarts and knowledge of his own speed that he knows what the best angle is.
Either way it's a great video and despite him being a Cowboy Dorsett was also a great player, my favorite 'Boy actually. What a terrific time it was watching players like these!
Who says Green came from the other sideline, and not the middle of the field anticipating a run up the middle. Remember Dorsett broke it outside.
Also, Dorsett wasnt running straight, parellel to the sideline until Green comes into the picture, where he was 1.5 yds behind Tony, and maybe 5yds across, AS Tony starts to run in a straight line.
So i think its bogus to say Darrell caught his from across the field, plus 5 yds behind Tony.
@playmayker88 Ur an idiot, the only reason why he tackled dickerson that way is because he was in open field, in that case, you always go for the legs, but Dorsett was right next to the sideline where it would be easier to just push them out. It was not because he needed more effort to tackled dickerson. He is a much lighterweight person than Dickerson and therefore you are always taught to go for the legs.
@playmayker88 tell me exactly what you read that made you think i believed that. All i did was negate your statement that Green had to make an "Effort" to take dickerson down.
It didnt look like Green was running 3/4 speed to catch Eric. Looked like he was going all-out - no?
So hypothetically, and Im giving your man credit for catching both guys to a certain extent, but if he was all out to catch ED on a break away up the middle run, how do you suppose he would have caught a faster Tony Dorsett on that same type of run?
@playmayker88 So what your trying to tell me, is that he should have gave it his all? That the meaning of football isnt putting out all you got every single minute you are out there on the field. So you think he should have just jogged and took him down? Its not like dickerson was slow... It would take a couple yards for even a guy with 4.2 speed to catch someone with 4.3 speed especially when behind like 15 yards...
No,. Im saying Green WAS giving his all, and caught Dickerson, whos is slower than Dorsett. Had that been Dorsett on an openfield run between the hashes, Green watches him spike the ball in the end zone.
thats fine.. and a good point.. I'm sure Dorsett wish he had been going full-out on the play in this video. But its part of how a 185lb RB made it 12 yrs in the NFL... he conserved.. he only thought he had the LB to beat... Someone once asked Dorsett: " just how fast are you?"... and he said " depends on who's chasing me".
I'll take Dorsett any day on that Dickerson play vs Green. Thats not a knock on Green. He;s phenomenal. But TD beat Green for scores before.
@playmayker88 20 years in a league as DEFENSIVE BACK. You know how hard it is? RB's dont have to keep up with anyone. A 40 Yr Old man Covering Receiver fresh out of college. 4.4 speed at age 40
Again, Im not saying Green is anything less than a true hall of famer. But while CB's cover all the time, they dont get nearly as much contact every play as RBs do & they dont have 11 guys chasing them down 3k touchers in a career either. Otherwise Deion woulda had a 1 yr career.
Dorsett wasnt much bigger than Green. Yet he always had a front line, LB core, and secondary to bang against in some manner.
Dorsett was running a 4.34 at Broncos minicamp at age 34.
@playmayker88 Yes but Runningbacks have no responsibility. If he becomes slower. Nothing happens, just a little less productive, if a CB gets slower, he becomes a serious liability and will continously get scored on.
And a guy like Dorsett, his whole game revolved around acceleration, speed, and manipulating defenses with that speed. He would sometimes take a designed sweep, and dip inside as if he was going off tackle, just to draw in the secondary, because he knew he had the speed to compensate and bounce it back outside with a lane down the sideline that he just created for himslef with that off=tack dip. If TD lost any speed, those plays wouldnt work.
@playmayker88 damn man you are stupid as shit. thats what made darrell so great he didnt conserve, he went 110 percent all of the time, so thats TDs fault for not running his hardest, which is his job as a football player. but clearly in the video DG runs him down which is non debatable so get out of here with all your bullshit about angles and conserving energy and this and that, clearly you are just upset TD got caught and now your taking it out on DG youtube videos
go look up See How They Run - Tony Dorsett... theres a clip of Tony smoking DG to the end zone.. Darrel is grasping at the turf , losng his balance trying to keep pace.. but TD out runs him,..
@playmayker88 that happens... Every player has been beat or caught from behind. Moss was caught from behind by Terrence Newman before. Darrell Green is still one of the fastest men to ever play football. Guy could flat out fly.
What the hell are you talking about? Using an angle to catch someone requires covering more ground...green played the corner position and take a pursuit angle from across the field which is not in the picture...by the time both men are running parallel...Green has to make up almost two yards to hawk him down...which he does...if Dorsett was faster he would have made it to the end zone.
Dorsett wasnt trying to outrun Green, he was just taking it up enough to beat the LB. He saw green late, somwhere near the 35. You can see Tony do a double take at Green once Darrell gets in his view ecliplsing the LB. Tony see's him and strides a little harder to max out, but by then Green is too close.
This is not the Eric dickerson play. Green doesnt catch Tony up the middle of the field like he did Dickerson.
@ :22 , after the narrator finishes saying Seattle Slew, right as Dorsett is at the 35 yd line, he see's green then Looks up field with a harder stride as he crosses the 30.
So from the 35 to the 30 is where Dorsett max's out. Because thats where he spots Green approaching.
Yeah, I give Green props for cathcing Dorsett. It made him famous. But there were other plays where did NOT catch Tony. Give Tony a beeline like Dickerson, without DEF to weave thru, and nobody catches him.
He wasnrt trying to out run Green. He never saw him. When he did, he picked up speed. So it can be argued. Just like numerous other times when Green couldnt catch him.
I don't even see him pick up speed. He goes for the stiffarm because he cant out run him. I've seen it many times... Green was always the fastest player in the league!
At the 35 he looks straight ahead, after spotting Green, and runs harder. He saw him late, there's no arguing that.
By the way, Dorsett didnt oarticipate in these fastest man drills.
But I'll give Green the benefit of my doubt. Of many doubts. He made the play. Now, ask yourself the question, is Eric Dickerson faster than Dorsett? I dont think so. Green labored to catch Dickerson. That was a striaght up race. Eric didnt curl or weave or bounce it outside. Tony doesnt get caught like that
why would he not try to outrun green isnt that his job as a running back? i dont care what you give dorsett, darrell green is one of the, if not THE fastest to ever play the game, hence the 4x nfls fastest man award, all of whcih were while dorsett was in the league so shut the fuck up and get on someone elses nut
First of all, Not every speedster participated in the Fastest Man contests.
Secondly, the reason Dorsett survived in the NFL for 12 years as a feature back weighing 189 lbs, is because he didnt "max out" on every play if he didnt think he had to, and because he didnt try to be superman and break tackles and exert himself on every play trying to make something out of nothing if it wasnt there. Thats just intelligent running.
By the way, Herschel Walker beat Green in Fasest Man contest.
@playmayker88 No, he beat him over 100m in the summer of 1987--NOT in the fastest man contest. Darrell Green was undefeated in every fastest man competition he entered. Additionally, if you want to say he didn't "max out" on every play, you've basically given up the argument. At that point, I could rule out every time Albert Haynesworth gets caught from behind, by making some ridiculous argument that he wasn't trying hard enough. Frankly, for Big Al, it's actually a more reasonable argument.
@playmayker88 Seriously, man? Find me video of those times where Green fails to catch him from a similar position (e.g. not from across the field, not blocked), and we'll say you have an argument. Until then, you're just pulling bs out of thin air, as you've been doing for months here now. You've got nothing to back you up, you never did, and the best you can put out is that Dorsett might have given up, or didn't run hard? PLEASE. The only thing we can say definitively is, he got CAUGHT.
I have admitted that he got caught. But in fairness, youve never admitted the obvious that Dorsett saw him late. How can you say that seeing him late does not make a difference. Even the smallest difference involving 2 speedsters, makes all the difference.
Obviously he saw him late--Darrell Green came from behind. I certainly admit that Dorsett wasn't looking over his shoulder for the entire run. I don't know whether he sped up after seeing him or not--my point is that is entirely subjective. Dorsett was running for the endzone, with nothing but green in front of him, KNOWING he was being pursued. If he wasn't running flat out in those circumstances, he doesn't have the desire to be in the NFL, and I bet he'd agree with me on that.
I guess ultimately my point is that there are ten million little subjective arguments you could make if you wanted, which MIGHT explain how Dorsett could be faster and still get caught..... but the fact is, few of them make much sense, and those which are possible, are much more complex than the simplest (and by Occam's Razor, the most likely) explanation--that he got run down because Darrell Green on that day, was that much faster than he was.
plus he never "maxed out" you dumbass, he just tried a lazy, desperate and pathetic stiff arm attempt because he knew he was done, a stiff arm that doesnt even phase darrell green
It does matter if a player doesnt see another approaching player, until late in the play. How could it NOT matter???
The tape doesnt lie. Its easy to see that Tony doesnt see Green till late and he looks at Green once, then turns straight ahead to maximize his stride, then looks back again, but its too late. If you watch the play, its as irrefutable as Green catching Dorsett in the end. I give Green credit for making the play, you should admit Tony saw him late as well though.
exactly if tony was good he would have felt darrell green from behind but instead he was too confident and eased up. thats the difference between darrell green and tony dorsett green was always "maxed out" and thats what makes him one of the greatest ever. who cares if dorsett didnt see him, he didnt see him bc green was running so fast. plus the fact that darrell green had no angle on him at all which makes it harder than catching up in the middle of the field
and even more so you sound really dumb. go back and take geometry lessons. to catch someone from a straight shot, ie the dickerson play, is harder than to catch someone from an angle. why do you think they are taught to run up the sideline their whole football careers? its to cut off an angle. so therefore your just weakening your point, and making his play seem even that much more incredible
An All-time NFL play like this, involving 2 HOF players, in a debate about speed...
there should be no excuse not to use the technology and conceinence of places like Youtube, wherre we can interact and mayybe bring up a point that nobody else thought about.
If you watch Doesett, u can plainly see that he doesnt s Green till late.. and even then, TD picks it up a notch.
Green covered more distance because his yard marker position was behind Dorsett. Use a ruler and check it out on a table. This was actually a mismatch, Green probably covered 5 yards or more than Dorsett. Green's speed was awesome.
Dude....you don't know what you're talking about. How do you possibly use physics to explain away the difference in distance covered? velocity (speed in a given direction) is made up of distance covered over the time taken. Basic geometry shows Green covered more ground over the exact same amount of time--ergo, he had higher velocity. This is an UNBELIEVABLY simple model in physics, whereas you're trying to use an extremely complicated one (body position after takedown). Occam's Razor wins.
Green's credit for catching Dorsett is bogus and it always has been. He had an angle and a head start even though he crossed the field. I have the entire game on tape and I sae the play when it actually happened.
um, what the hell? how could green have had a "head start"? they were both at the end of a 60 yard run. secondly, it was plain on the replay above that green did not have the angle. at about the 50 yard line, you see darrell green fly into the picture, about 5 yards behind dorsett. green is at the cowboys 48; dorsett is at the redskins 47, and green is also about 10 yards away from him and has to run diagonally while dorsett runs straight. he caught dorsett from behind.
Darrell didn't have an angle on Tony D. That was a pure hunt down.
Interesting contrast in running styles. In track sprinters run in a Dig Phase, a Drive Phase, & an Acceleration Phase. Tony has a dramatic dig phase. Note the extreme forward lean when he takes the ball for about 13yds but he runs with an extreme back kick. The long leg drag behind his butt. Darrell runs with the more sprint efficient short back kick recovering his heel just under his butt at full sprint.
Remember back to the time you were failing Geometry class. It's only a shorter distance if Green's yard marker position was in front of Dorsett. Green was behind Dorsett. Check my other post on this video. Hope your ego is not too big to admit you are wrong.
Dorsett started up the middle, and had to swing to the outside , and THEN up the sideline, avoiding tacklers along the way...
Green came in around a 40 degree angle, in a straight line... and he didnt come all the way across the field. he was in the middle of the field.
The tape doesnt lie.. Green comes in at 40 degrees, and Dorsett is just moving a little faster, simple as that. Watching DG close in from that angle even helps show that TD was moving faster.
No, you're not being fair--Look at 0:19. Green (28) is clearly further from the endzone than Tony Dorsett (Looks like Dorsett is at about the 48-49 yard line while Green is crossing the 50). Additionally, green has to make up the horizontal space between them--let's say it's 5 yards? Do the math--Green makes contact at about the 10 yard line--thus, Dorsett has run approximately 38 yards. In that time, green's run the root of 40^2+5^2=approximately 40.3 yards. He ran further, faster.
Now another thing to consider is that Tony didnt see Green until late in the play. Before that, Tony was anticipating an easy foot race against a LB and Safety.
You can actually see Dorsett do almost a double-take immdiately after DG passes the LB.
Once Tony identifies Green, he picks up his speed a notch, and you can even see Tony pick up his speed around the 34yd line ( @ :23 ) , but it was too late, because Darrell was too close at that point.
Jeesus Christ, where am I not accurate? I said they make contact at approximately the ten yard line--Look at 0:27, they're just short of the ten yard line (see the little black marker out of-bounds), and Green is making contact. Maybe it's closer to the 15, I'm sorry, but that doesn't change my basic point. @:20, as you said, DG is about a yard behind, as I said, and approximately 5 yards to the right of Tony Dorsett--hell, I'm being generous, it's almost certainly more than 5 yards. Yes?
Its your side that insists on using geometrical calculations , so if we're gonna break out actual measements...then we should be precise on the point of contact.
I bet it was painful for Madden to have to say that, he NEVER seemed to like the Redskins. He never gave them the credit they deserved even in their winning years!
ruadhrose 1 month ago
@ruadhrose you are so right ...when the pats where 16-0 in 07 he did a feature of the 07 pats vs the best nfl teams ever...not once were the 1991 redskins ever mentioned..i was like WTF????..the 91 skins was maybe the most complete NFL team ever!!!!
collin355 2 weeks ago
Darrell to Champ to Hall
Suprememmanuel 2 months ago
a true great he doesn't have a huge highlight reel for 20 years of play but that's all credit to his cover skills when the qb wont throw the ball to his receiver
and one of the few great football players who wasn't a arrogant POS one of the few who stuck with one team through good or bad times
doug8536 2 months ago
Tootsie Rolls BABY!
threepeice 3 months ago
i love derrel, miss seeing him on the field. funny thing could he be the father of fantashia berino?...think thats how you spell it.
cannibaljoe77 5 months ago
im buying a lifetime supply of tootsie rolls after watching this.
themuffman45 7 months ago
people STOP with the Darrell beat Carl Lewis(YOUTUBE NFL TOP 100 DARRELL GREEN) Lewis sets it STRAIGHT= Green NEVER beat him !!! again green's best 100m
on modern rubberized surface track 10.08 bob hayes 47 yrs ago on a dead loose dirt track in Tokyo 10.05(and IT WAS electronic)Seiko the watch corp. had electronic timing built right into the starters pistol,so the millisecond it went off timing started hayes also ran 9.91 with wind just over legal on that same dead dirt track=crazy !
use2slam2 8 months ago
My favorite Redskins (from my lifetime). He was a tremendous football player and a gentleman.
God bless you, Darrel and HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!
dcbandnerd 8 months ago
Darrell Green could stop ANYONE!
Every single game the Redskins put him against every top receiver in the NFL had to offer and he would proceed to shut them all down. Not too mention he was a class act- Unlike many of todays stars.
I will never forget him starting (way behind) then accelerating to catch Tony Dorsett. AMAZING!
CFURIN 9 months ago
one more thing rod woodson first covered jerry rice 1 on 1 in 1990 rice game stats in that game 3 catchs 30 yds so please dont say rice couldnt be covered by these guys
antvinpol 9 months ago
the player who tackles him in to endzone is daren woodson safety not your darrell green who would have caught him at the 10 yrd line no problem
antvinpol 9 months ago
prob you have there is the men chasing him run 4.8 40
antvinpol 9 months ago
Watch 49ers vs. Dallas Cowboys 1995. You will see that Rice is moving faster than a 4.6.
chadalea 9 months ago
Once again game speed and the forty yard dash are totally different. Jerry Rice smoked many corners who had a faster 40.
chadalea 9 months ago
haha your gettin even funnier ,now green, sanders and woodson couldnt catch him.
think is catch"s on those 3 were is great route running not is blazing 4.6 40 speed
antvinpol 9 months ago
green could never keep up with rice funniest thing ive read on youtube thanks for the laugh
antvinpol 10 months ago
He caught Rice after Rice's knee injury. Before that Green could never keep up with Rice.
chadalea 10 months ago
@chadalea oh yeah you are funny..tell me.. how many fastest man in the NFL competitions did rice win???...please repeat what you said to yourself 3 times and then smack yourself in the head 6 times for saying something so stupid...
collin355 9 months ago
@collin355 I did smack myself and realized something. Before Rice's injury, show me any corner that caught him from behind. As far as the NFL fastest man, Green definitely owned that title. Rice had game speed. Green, Woodson, Sanders, etc. could not keep up with Rice. He gets faster as the game goes on. If they could up with him, he would not have had 208TDS, 1500+receptions, and 22,000+receiving yards. Watch Jerry Rice Highlights thats 4:33 long. He burns Sanders twice, and Green falls.
chadalea 9 months ago
@chadalea Spoken like a true 49er fan..ur funny..rice was a great wr but were talkin speed here and rice was "never" in the same class as green or gault or ron brown and bob hayes..and had ur 49ers played in the NFC east in the 80s they would never had won as many games as they did...49ers won only 5 more regular season games than the skins did in da 80s and they played in a crappy division..try playin the cowboys eagles and giants twice a year instead of those shitty NFC west teams..lol
collin355 9 months ago
@collin355 Actually, Im not a 49er fan, but Im a Rice fan. Once again, we are talking about speed on the damn gridiron. Carl Lewis was faster than Darrell Green, but I guarantee Lewis was not faster than Green on the field. Rice had game speed. Your speed is different when you have someone chasing your ass. Who gives a shit about speed off the field. And by you comparing the Skins to the 49ers in 80s, now thats funny as hell. 49ers use to spank the skins damn near everytime they played.
chadalea 9 months ago
@chadalea The 49ers didnt spank them when it counted in the 84 NFC championship game!!!! LOL!!!
collin355 9 months ago
@collin355 Yea but Jerry Rice wasn't a 49er yet in 84. With Jerry Rice, we were able to beat the skins in the 2 playoff games after that one in the early 90s. Throughout most of their matchups, Jerry Rice has been able to put up pretty good numbers against Darrell Green. I'm not saying Darrell Green isn't great and hasn't had his moments against Rice, but I can't think of any player that has consistently take Rice out of games.
ez3002008 6 months ago
@ez3002008 Green had problems against bigger receivers...they would just screen him from the ball. That's what Rice did. He had 6 inches on Green (6'2" vs. 5'8").
EmceeNolan 5 months ago
@chadalea Actually, Rice's lack of true top end speed was obvious. Jessie Tuggle (Falcons MLB) caught him from behind in 1992. Green caught him from behind in this video. He never beat Deion for anything significant in his career (in part because Deion very rarely lined up against Rice). Rice benefited from offensive coordinators moving him around and getting him on second and third rate corners, if not linebackers.
That isn't to say he wasn't a great player, though.
EmceeNolan 5 months ago
@chadalea Rice never out-ran Green in his career. What he DID do was use his size to his advantage, shielding Green from the ball.
Rice could burn the slower corners in the league (such as Lionel Washington, Toi Cook, Charles Dimry, and Tim McKyer), and he got plenty of matchups versus those kinds of guys. But he didn't out-run anyone doing 4.4 or better. His brilliance after the catch is what put him on a different level. He was strong, he was fluid, and he was the toughest player of all-time
EmceeNolan 5 months ago
Darrell also catches Jerry Rice from behind in this video. Johnny (Mr. Superlative ) would claim that neon Deion was the fastest in the league one week and then he would say that Willie Gault was the fastest the next week and then maybe Darrell. It drove me crazy.
Darrell was the fastest guy I ever saw in football equipment except for Bullet Bob Hayes. Unfortunately, due to age differences they never faced each other.
42marisol1 11 months ago
DG is such a classy guy..he was very fast on the football field..and as a Dallas fan..you got to give it up to him..he was that good, and could catch just about everyone...I was very impressed by his induction speech into the HOF..and though I'm not a Washington fan, I am a DG fan..every team since he was drafted wishes they had a Darrell Greeen on their team.
Shadofx 11 months ago
@playmaker88 are you stupid are just an ignorant piece of shit????? TD didnt torch Green, Green was already falling over in that video and TD already had speed in his favor while Green was trying to gather himself, you cant even say TD torched Green, Green wouldve easily caught him like he did in this video. Make sure ur videos are legit before you post things like that and actually tell people to go see it, dumbass.
RypeTomato 11 months ago
@RypeTomato thank you
EpiCxM0n3Y 11 months ago
@RypeTomato He was falling over from that cut TD made, then he managed to stay on his feet and make a run at Tony, but he saw he wasnt going to gain any ground so he dove. The video doesnt lie... souind familiar?
playmayker88 11 months ago
For all you Tony Dorsett haters on this page...check out ya boy Darrel Green getting torched by Tony D.
search ( Tony Dorsett Highlights - Tribute) 3:40 ( Cowboys-Redskins highlight)
playmayker88 11 months ago
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@playmayker88 somthing is wrong with you
EpiCxM0n3Y 11 months ago
@playmayker88 how many NFL fastest man contests did Tony Dorsett win???? ZERO!!!!!! now shut the f^%# up!!!!!
collin355 11 months ago
@collin355
I dont care.. this is play for play.
In the vid Green catches Tony, I contend Tony saw him late and, and while TD DID pick up speed after Green came into view, he didnt have enough real estate to break away. But, your man caught him. Video doesnt lie.
Now I offer a video of Green getting beat by Tony, and you wanna ask me how many NFL Fastest Man did Dorsett win???? Irrelevant.
playmayker88 11 months ago
@playmayker88 you offer a video of dorsett beating green??? well where in the hell is it????..you are funny!!!
collin355 9 months ago
@collin355
Hey genius, I provided the search keywords, as well as the place in the video, but here it is again. (3:40 of Tony Dorsett Tribute)
playmayker88 9 months ago
@collin355 what did green post in the 100 yd dash in the Superstar's series (ABC).. anyone know/?
playmayker88 5 months ago
This guy has chased down more cream of the crop players then anyone in football ! Name three players who has chased down Tony Dorsett and Eric Dickerson from behind in open field ?! Then chased down some of NFL'S TOP recievers ! He was a class act on the field and even better off the field. That's hard to find in today ego crazy NFL ! Take notice T.O ! You were never this good !
wyzard214 1 year ago
@wyzard214 Owens chased down Julius Jones, Patrick Crayton, and Nick Collins from WAY behind. Caught up to Garrison Hearst to throw blocks in the 98 OT breakaway run vs. Jets. Nearly caught Robert Bailey from behind in 01 on Bailey's INT TD return, starting 10+ yards behind. Caught Travis Fisher from behind on INT return in first 03 Rams game. Ran record 9.02 in 2001 Superstars competition 100 yard dash. Second year in a row he won. Smoked former FSU sprinter Michael Jennings in 40 yard race.
EmceeNolan 5 months ago
@EmceeNolan any proof???? oh and by the way T.O was scared shitless of Sean Taylor...LMFAO!!!!...he was always looking over his shoulder when sean was coming at him..ummm incomplete pass...lol
collin355 2 weeks ago
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But, dawg, earlier tho', the nigga broke his fuckin' rib cartilage. How is he runnin' with a broken rib cartilage? Look at this nigga holdin' his shit, du'. Dawg, he put the team on his back. Dawg, let's go inside the mind of a Darrell Green. Brdrdrdrdrdrp. "Dawg, I gotta do this shit. I put the team on my fuckin' back, du'. My rib cartilage broke, I don't know how the fuck I'm runnin' right now, du'. I'll do this shit....for da Redskins." ACROSS THE PLANEEEEEE. TOUCHDOOOWNNNNN Darrell. Green.
spncrgrn 1 year ago
I hate when these white men try to always claim that black athletes are "gifted." This man works out like crazy and still continues to do so. Give the man credit for his work ethic as well instead of acting as if this is all just a "gift."
BlacksAreBeautiful 1 year ago
why the hell did he became a corner back when he had the ability
and the speed of a running back or maybe faster...
boyeks 1 year ago
he is not big enough to be running back when he played
Bassn1ck 1 year ago
@boyeks true, but he made some major plays as a corner back!
S0nnyS1d3Up 11 months ago
why does eric dickerson run on his heels and he runs upright thats why he got caught
heathj200 1 year ago
in the top five for interceptions ,three super rings .....Im not even a redskin fan .{but 20 years in the nfl...come on easy one there !!!!!
koolkurd82 1 year ago
Even though Rice and the 49ers knocked the Redskins out of the playoffs twice it was amazing to see Jerry Rice and Darrell Green compete against each other. Darrell Green is my favorite Redskins player ever.
dirtyanimal80 1 year ago
the dislikes are dorsett and Eric Dickerson
gusabreu 1 year ago 47
im puttin tootsie rolls in my socks from now on
xXJohnDXx1 1 year ago
talk about a shut down corner this guy rite here was the best ever
GRAFFPHEEN 1 year ago
I can go to work happy after watching this clip.
DarrellGreenFan 1 year ago
dam thats heart..see him holdin his side for the whole run and then come back and play hurt again..
jonnybaze 1 year ago
I would like to see Ginn against him. Not that it could happen. I can't think of anybody else that is that fast on the football field.
nickma71 1 year ago
Imagine Usain Bolt in NFL
2927093 1 year ago
well i am a big Dorsett fan but the fact is there on film, Mr. Green caught Tony and stopped the Cowboys from scoring a touchdown.i was watching the game and was like who is that guy? i was still just a kid then, it was funny cause my brother was a redskin fan,lol, he just laughed about it .
thetruckinlife 1 year ago
Happy to say I grew up in DG's era and got to see him play in person. One could argue he was the greatest Redskin ever, behind Sammy Baugh IMO
DButz65 1 year ago
You guys are so dumb. Darrell Green with or without pads would burn Dorsett in the 40 dash, or the entire football field starting at the same line. Unofficially clocked a 4.09 in 1988, and 4.2 at the age of 40. DO THE MATH
haroonGTO 1 year ago
@haroonGTO 4.09 is literally INSANE! He was fast as hell.
onblock7 1 year ago
@haroonGTO and a 4.4 on his 50th birthday
sean4440 1 year ago
@haroonGTO He sure did run a 4.2 at the age of 40 immediately after he signed that 5-yr extension to show the Redskins that he was still a good investment.
arkansoul 1 year ago
@haroonGTO yup...he wasnt called the FASTEST MAN IN THE NFL to be second to Dorsett...he caught all the elite RB's when he played
Bassn1ck 1 year ago
but he DIDN'T catch ron brown or micheal haynes from behind, check out the vids.
use2slam2 1 year ago
I can say I AM PROUD TO BE A REDSKIN, my room is surrounded by a HUGE personal autougraph framed photo of him
HendrixLiveOn4ever 1 year ago
Praise to one of God's greatest athletes! Great player & Great Human Being! HTTR!
threepeice 1 year ago
what that richard petty thing and sealtle slew thing was that darrell could not out run a horse or a stock car but I will say this the best d back I ever seen I am a life long redskins fan I could go threw the players but my favorites of all time where riggo monk and darrell green they don't make nfl players like that anymore.
fedexskins 1 year ago
Darrell Green beated Carl Lewis in 100 metres in a college track and field meeting, in the very early 80's
turboreattore 1 year ago
Playmaker you said that if Tony had a straight line a la Dickerson that no one would catch him.How about Primetime????????????
dal4018 1 year ago
I often wondered that myself.
playmayker88 1 year ago
@dal4018 - Maybe but he still wasn't as fast as Darrell.
301ricardo 1 year ago
@301ricardo Agreed Ricardo I remember watching a episode of The NFL's Fastest Man and Primetime cheated twice in the 60 yd dash but no matter Darrell STILL SMOKED HIM
dal4018 1 year ago
Hahaha, when I first watched this video, I went to look up NFL players named 'Richard Petty' and 'Seattle Slew', surprised I'd never heard of them if they were that fast..... Joke's on me there, eh?
harlequin115 1 year ago
@harlequin115 wow...you really didnt know who richard petty is....joke is on you...
Bassn1ck 1 year ago
He's rather underrated. You always hear about Woodson and Deion Sanders but this guy was the truth!
atlballer81 1 year ago
Just ran the 40 in 4.43 at 50 years old! Still the fastest.
cskirby1972 1 year ago 3
True enough. They call Favre the ultimate iron man playing QB, how about this ageless wonder playing 20 years and still running like a kid?
keysersoze2k1 1 year ago
One Of The Top 3 Greatest Corners Of All Time. Hands Down...
cpr1287 1 year ago
D Green is BETTER, husband, father and man than he ever was a football player... Now that is GREATNESS!
VA50DET 1 year ago 15
Green ran a 4.24 at 40...name any player in league history ran that fast at that age...just one i say
BIGTEE1471 2 years ago 4
And Dickerson was stopped well short of the end zone
Sn8kdoktr 2 years ago
Regarding carrying the ball having an affect on your speed, of course it does. It doesn't allow the full use
of your arms to propel yourself. It is an obstacle.
GOATAli 2 years ago
Regardless, in a foot race if they both started at the same position, same yard line, Darrell would smoke Dorsett. 4.2 speed vs 4.4 Tony has no chance. HAIL
haroonGTO 2 years ago
4.4 speed???
Dorsett was running a 4:3 when he was with Denver at 34 years of age! Where you getting 4:4 from?
playmayker88 2 years ago
no im not admitting shit until your ignorant ass admits that green is one of the fastest to ever play the game. a 4x nfl fastest man award doesnt lie just admit it already, such a typical cowboys fan all they do is bitch and moan but they never man up
coolcustodian 1 year ago
Green is one of the fastest who ever played the game. I never doubted that. He's a marvel. But there are factors in that play that are worth arguing. To disagree with that is just plain bias.
Green a rookie vs. a dorsett 6 yrs in the league. Yes he was still fast, but not fresh out of college fast. And dorsett did some weaving and circling before he got square with the sideline, so that gave Green time to set up a sprint. It takes energy avoiding tacklers and circling to the outside.,
playmayker88 1 year ago
yes it takes energy to avoid tacklers...but on alot of plays, after Tony avoids those tackles, most players still cant catch him..but darrell can, even if Tony had a straight shot
r3v3r3nd2008 1 year ago
@r3v3r3nd2008
Ive seen tony Juke Green himself then take it to the house on him. Green didnt catch him then.
playmayker88 1 year ago
@playmayker88- that could happen as nobody says that he was the surest tackler of all time. If you are off balance it is hard to recover and catching Dorsett after that would be difficult for anybody. What makes this so impressive is that Darrell is about 7-10 yards behind and laterally far away and Dorsett is solid chugging with no barriers, not off balance and Darrell still runs him down like a father catching his little boy.
301ricardo 1 year ago
@301ricardo
Dorsett doesnt become parallel with the sideline until Green is 1.5 yds behind and maybe 4 yds right of Tony. The video even pauses the instant Dorsett straightens out...So to say Dorsett is "chugging down the SL the whole time" is inaccurate. Tony was weaving thru tkls and looping to the outside. If anyone was in a straight line, it was Green who was bullseying a cut off point at the Sideline to cut Dorsett off.
playmayker88 1 year ago
@playmayker88 D green once beat Ron Brown who was in the Olympics in the 100 and he was undefeated on the NFL's fastest man race like four times. he never ever lost a race. he would kill Dorsett in a foot race.
mrwhatever213 1 year ago
@mrwhatever213
Dorsett took it all the way on green a FEW times! Those happened to be plays where he actually knew where Green was on the feild and wasnt sheilded by another defender to block his view. I remember Tony putting a juke move on Green just passed the line of scrimmage that buckled Darrel's knees so hard that he had to put his hand on the ground to recover, then Tony burned it up the field 30 yards to the end zone with Green chasing and not catching.
playmayker88 1 year ago
@r3v3r3nd2008
No, thats the whole point. If Tony had a straight shot as Dickerson did when Green ran him down, we wouldnt be having this discussion.
Green had to dive to catch Dickerson. And anyone who thinks Dickerson is faster than Dorsett is fooling themselves, or youre just all-out Dallas haters.
playmayker88 1 year ago
He didn't really dive to catch Dickerson. Besides the fact that he was able to catch up to both of them from as far out as he was, shows that Darrell is way fast them both of them. Duh!!
AeolianSkinner1983 1 year ago
@AeolianSkinner1983
Tony saw him late, and picked up speed but it was too late at that point. But great play by Darrell. I'll give him that play , for the sake of argument. But there are plenty of plays that he did not catch Tony. One in particular, Tony juked him so hard it nearly broke darrel's ankles and he hand to put his hand on the ground not to fall over.. and Tony took it 40 yds to the house with Green chasing.
And other plays in TD's 1st-5th year that Green wasnt gonna catch him
playmayker88 1 year ago
@playmayker88 Tony dorsett only slowed down when he turned his head over his shoulder and realized he just got pwned.
Tightness8 1 year ago
@Tightness8
I didnt say Tony slowed down, I said he saw Green late because the LB was shielding his view until the end. When he saw green appear, he strided harder but it was too late.
Either way, I would love to have seen Green catch Tony on a Dickerson type play, where there were no tacklers to weave thru and no looping around LB's and burning energy before making a final sprint. Or the counter-delay Dorsett burned Atlanta on playing on turf for 60 yds. ( search: Tony Dorsett RB #2 )
playmayker88 1 year ago
@playmayker88 Do you think Tony was faster than Green was?
yfz01 1 year ago
type in "miller to michael haynes" green didn't catch ron brown from behind and in this vid haynes slows down 2 strides to catch the ball then throws it back into gear whengreen was already running full out and he pulled away from him
use2slam2 2 years ago
One more point on the thin line of fast and faster between 2 speedsters.
And its not something I'm contributing to the result of the Dorsett play. But more so in Off vs Def player in general, I'd just like everyone's thoughts on this.
Do you think carrying the football affects a guys speed to some degree, given that he cant use full extension with the arm he's carrying the football with?
(Like I said, this has more to do with body mechanics, not the weight of the football obviously.)
playmayker88 2 years ago
I'm sure it does, and maybe Tony wasn't full 100% until the end. But the first we see of Green he's at least a yard behind parallel to the yard markers, and probably 6 yards behind laterally.
Plus DG is reknowned for his speed in many other examples including multiple fastest man in NFL, if there's benefit of doubt it's surely to him and not Dorsett.
And of course the Cowboys suck!
PerkyMcPerkypants 2 years ago
@PerkyMcPerkypants
when you first see Green, Tony is not parallel withthe sideline yet, he's actually still curling around to the outside. When Dorsett DOES become parallel, the video freezes. At that point Green is only a yard and a half behind. not 6.
DG is not the only man reknowed for his speed. Afterall, catching Dorsett made Green famous.
I say theres plenty of reasonable boubt in this play. Like I said, proof would be catching Tony on the same play he caught Dickerson on.
playmayker88 2 years ago
But gfalkinder's point about the hypoteneuse is still sound. To make that clearer, imagine Green was on the opposite sideline and caught him. That lateral movement is still ground to cover. And it's a testament to Green's smarts and knowledge of his own speed that he knows what the best angle is.
Either way it's a great video and despite him being a Cowboy Dorsett was also a great player, my favorite 'Boy actually. What a terrific time it was watching players like these!
PerkyMcPerkypants 2 years ago
@PerkyMcPerkypants
Who says Green came from the other sideline, and not the middle of the field anticipating a run up the middle. Remember Dorsett broke it outside.
Also, Dorsett wasnt running straight, parellel to the sideline until Green comes into the picture, where he was 1.5 yds behind Tony, and maybe 5yds across, AS Tony starts to run in a straight line.
So i think its bogus to say Darrell caught his from across the field, plus 5 yds behind Tony.
And Tony saw him late, watch again.
playmayker88 2 years ago
@PerkyMcPerkypants
...but however you look at it,
I think its not very arguable that Dorsett was faster than Dickerson. Look how Green had to exert himself catching Dickerson.
Now Imagine Dorsett taking it straight up the middle of the field like Dickerson did on that play. I dont see him being caught.
But youre right, that was a great era of NFL to watch.
playmayker88 2 years ago
@playmayker88 Ur an idiot, the only reason why he tackled dickerson that way is because he was in open field, in that case, you always go for the legs, but Dorsett was right next to the sideline where it would be easier to just push them out. It was not because he needed more effort to tackled dickerson. He is a much lighterweight person than Dickerson and therefore you are always taught to go for the legs.
Tightness8 1 year ago
@Tightness8
You think Dickerson was faster than Dorsett?
playmayker88 1 year ago
@playmayker88 tell me exactly what you read that made you think i believed that. All i did was negate your statement that Green had to make an "Effort" to take dickerson down.
Tightness8 1 year ago
@Tightness8
Ok here's why I posed the question:
It didnt look like Green was running 3/4 speed to catch Eric. Looked like he was going all-out - no?
So hypothetically, and Im giving your man credit for catching both guys to a certain extent, but if he was all out to catch ED on a break away up the middle run, how do you suppose he would have caught a faster Tony Dorsett on that same type of run?
playmayker88 1 year ago
@playmayker88 So what your trying to tell me, is that he should have gave it his all? That the meaning of football isnt putting out all you got every single minute you are out there on the field. So you think he should have just jogged and took him down? Its not like dickerson was slow... It would take a couple yards for even a guy with 4.2 speed to catch someone with 4.3 speed especially when behind like 15 yards...
Tightness8 1 year ago
@Tightness8
No,. Im saying Green WAS giving his all, and caught Dickerson, whos is slower than Dorsett. Had that been Dorsett on an openfield run between the hashes, Green watches him spike the ball in the end zone.
playmayker88 1 year ago
@playmayker88 You are supposed to give it your all every play.. Regardless if a Linemen is running down the field at 2 mph
Tightness8 1 year ago
@Tightness8
thats fine.. and a good point.. I'm sure Dorsett wish he had been going full-out on the play in this video. But its part of how a 185lb RB made it 12 yrs in the NFL... he conserved.. he only thought he had the LB to beat... Someone once asked Dorsett: " just how fast are you?"... and he said " depends on who's chasing me".
I'll take Dorsett any day on that Dickerson play vs Green. Thats not a knock on Green. He;s phenomenal. But TD beat Green for scores before.
playmayker88 1 year ago
@playmayker88 20 years in a league as DEFENSIVE BACK. You know how hard it is? RB's dont have to keep up with anyone. A 40 Yr Old man Covering Receiver fresh out of college. 4.4 speed at age 40
Tightness8 1 year ago
@Tightness8
Again, Im not saying Green is anything less than a true hall of famer. But while CB's cover all the time, they dont get nearly as much contact every play as RBs do & they dont have 11 guys chasing them down 3k touchers in a career either. Otherwise Deion woulda had a 1 yr career.
Dorsett wasnt much bigger than Green. Yet he always had a front line, LB core, and secondary to bang against in some manner.
Dorsett was running a 4.34 at Broncos minicamp at age 34.
playmayker88 1 year ago 2
@playmayker88 Yes but Runningbacks have no responsibility. If he becomes slower. Nothing happens, just a little less productive, if a CB gets slower, he becomes a serious liability and will continously get scored on.
Tightness8 1 year ago
@Tightness8
Depends on the RB and what he loses.
And a guy like Dorsett, his whole game revolved around acceleration, speed, and manipulating defenses with that speed. He would sometimes take a designed sweep, and dip inside as if he was going off tackle, just to draw in the secondary, because he knew he had the speed to compensate and bounce it back outside with a lane down the sideline that he just created for himslef with that off=tack dip. If TD lost any speed, those plays wouldnt work.
playmayker88 1 year ago 6
@playmayker88 damn man you are stupid as shit. thats what made darrell so great he didnt conserve, he went 110 percent all of the time, so thats TDs fault for not running his hardest, which is his job as a football player. but clearly in the video DG runs him down which is non debatable so get out of here with all your bullshit about angles and conserving energy and this and that, clearly you are just upset TD got caught and now your taking it out on DG youtube videos
coolcustodian 1 year ago
@coolcustodian
go look up See How They Run - Tony Dorsett... theres a clip of Tony smoking DG to the end zone.. Darrel is grasping at the turf , losng his balance trying to keep pace.. but TD out runs him,..
playmayker88 1 year ago
@playmayker88 that happens... Every player has been beat or caught from behind. Moss was caught from behind by Terrence Newman before. Darrell Green is still one of the fastest men to ever play football. Guy could flat out fly.
yfz01 1 year ago
@playmayker88 could'nt find shit on what you are commenting about..go smoke another one..green was faster than dorsett..nuff said!!
collin355 1 year ago
@playmayker88
I know...but the Skin fans are in denial...haha
playmayker88 11 months ago
stfu ur a retard
tyluscious 2 years ago
What the hell are you talking about? Using an angle to catch someone requires covering more ground...green played the corner position and take a pursuit angle from across the field which is not in the picture...by the time both men are running parallel...Green has to make up almost two yards to hawk him down...which he does...if Dorsett was faster he would have made it to the end zone.
Sn8kdoktr 2 years ago 23
Dorsett wasnt trying to outrun Green, he was just taking it up enough to beat the LB. He saw green late, somwhere near the 35. You can see Tony do a double take at Green once Darrell gets in his view ecliplsing the LB. Tony see's him and strides a little harder to max out, but by then Green is too close.
This is not the Eric dickerson play. Green doesnt catch Tony up the middle of the field like he did Dickerson.
playmayker88 1 year ago
@ :22 , after the narrator finishes saying Seattle Slew, right as Dorsett is at the 35 yd line, he see's green then Looks up field with a harder stride as he crosses the 30.
So from the 35 to the 30 is where Dorsett max's out. Because thats where he spots Green approaching.
Yeah, I give Green props for cathcing Dorsett. It made him famous. But there were other plays where did NOT catch Tony. Give Tony a beeline like Dickerson, without DEF to weave thru, and nobody catches him.
playmayker88 1 year ago
@playmayker88 HOW ABOUT PRIMETIME?????
dal4018 1 year ago
Green was clearly the faster player. I don't think that can be argued.
yfz01 1 year ago
He wasnrt trying to out run Green. He never saw him. When he did, he picked up speed. So it can be argued. Just like numerous other times when Green couldnt catch him.
playmayker88 1 year ago
I don't even see him pick up speed. He goes for the stiffarm because he cant out run him. I've seen it many times... Green was always the fastest player in the league!
yfz01 1 year ago
At the 35 he looks straight ahead, after spotting Green, and runs harder. He saw him late, there's no arguing that.
By the way, Dorsett didnt oarticipate in these fastest man drills.
But I'll give Green the benefit of my doubt. Of many doubts. He made the play. Now, ask yourself the question, is Eric Dickerson faster than Dorsett? I dont think so. Green labored to catch Dickerson. That was a striaght up race. Eric didnt curl or weave or bounce it outside. Tony doesnt get caught like that
playmayker88 1 year ago
That was great though. Watching 2 great speedsters battle. Dont see that anymore.
playmayker88 1 year ago
why would he not try to outrun green isnt that his job as a running back? i dont care what you give dorsett, darrell green is one of the, if not THE fastest to ever play the game, hence the 4x nfls fastest man award, all of whcih were while dorsett was in the league so shut the fuck up and get on someone elses nut
coolcustodian 1 year ago
First of all, Not every speedster participated in the Fastest Man contests.
Secondly, the reason Dorsett survived in the NFL for 12 years as a feature back weighing 189 lbs, is because he didnt "max out" on every play if he didnt think he had to, and because he didnt try to be superman and break tackles and exert himself on every play trying to make something out of nothing if it wasnt there. Thats just intelligent running.
By the way, Herschel Walker beat Green in Fasest Man contest.
playmayker88 1 year ago
@playmayker88 No, he beat him over 100m in the summer of 1987--NOT in the fastest man contest. Darrell Green was undefeated in every fastest man competition he entered. Additionally, if you want to say he didn't "max out" on every play, you've basically given up the argument. At that point, I could rule out every time Albert Haynesworth gets caught from behind, by making some ridiculous argument that he wasn't trying hard enough. Frankly, for Big Al, it's actually a more reasonable argument.
harlequin115 1 year ago
@playmayker88 Seriously, man? Find me video of those times where Green fails to catch him from a similar position (e.g. not from across the field, not blocked), and we'll say you have an argument. Until then, you're just pulling bs out of thin air, as you've been doing for months here now. You've got nothing to back you up, you never did, and the best you can put out is that Dorsett might have given up, or didn't run hard? PLEASE. The only thing we can say definitively is, he got CAUGHT.
harlequin115 1 year ago
I have admitted that he got caught. But in fairness, youve never admitted the obvious that Dorsett saw him late. How can you say that seeing him late does not make a difference. Even the smallest difference involving 2 speedsters, makes all the difference.
playmayker88 1 year ago
Obviously he saw him late--Darrell Green came from behind. I certainly admit that Dorsett wasn't looking over his shoulder for the entire run. I don't know whether he sped up after seeing him or not--my point is that is entirely subjective. Dorsett was running for the endzone, with nothing but green in front of him, KNOWING he was being pursued. If he wasn't running flat out in those circumstances, he doesn't have the desire to be in the NFL, and I bet he'd agree with me on that.
harlequin115 1 year ago
I guess ultimately my point is that there are ten million little subjective arguments you could make if you wanted, which MIGHT explain how Dorsett could be faster and still get caught..... but the fact is, few of them make much sense, and those which are possible, are much more complex than the simplest (and by Occam's Razor, the most likely) explanation--that he got run down because Darrell Green on that day, was that much faster than he was.
harlequin115 1 year ago
plus he never "maxed out" you dumbass, he just tried a lazy, desperate and pathetic stiff arm attempt because he knew he was done, a stiff arm that doesnt even phase darrell green
coolcustodian 1 year ago
It does matter if a player doesnt see another approaching player, until late in the play. How could it NOT matter???
The tape doesnt lie. Its easy to see that Tony doesnt see Green till late and he looks at Green once, then turns straight ahead to maximize his stride, then looks back again, but its too late. If you watch the play, its as irrefutable as Green catching Dorsett in the end. I give Green credit for making the play, you should admit Tony saw him late as well though.
playmayker88 1 year ago
exactly if tony was good he would have felt darrell green from behind but instead he was too confident and eased up. thats the difference between darrell green and tony dorsett green was always "maxed out" and thats what makes him one of the greatest ever. who cares if dorsett didnt see him, he didnt see him bc green was running so fast. plus the fact that darrell green had no angle on him at all which makes it harder than catching up in the middle of the field
coolcustodian 1 year ago
and even more so you sound really dumb. go back and take geometry lessons. to catch someone from a straight shot, ie the dickerson play, is harder than to catch someone from an angle. why do you think they are taught to run up the sideline their whole football careers? its to cut off an angle. so therefore your just weakening your point, and making his play seem even that much more incredible
coolcustodian 1 year ago
@Sn8kdoktr correct. "he has the angle" has to be one of the dumbest things announcers say during a fooball game
nickma71 1 year ago
Green ran the Hypotenuse, the longest side of a right-angled triangle. The % effort issue is irrelevant, nobody knows.
gfalkinder 2 years ago
To me, catching Eric Dickerson was bigger than Dorsett because he had the angle on Dorsett and Dickerson ran track at SMU.
LostBoyyy 2 years ago
An All-time NFL play like this, involving 2 HOF players, in a debate about speed...
there should be no excuse not to use the technology and conceinence of places like Youtube, wherre we can interact and mayybe bring up a point that nobody else thought about.
If you watch Doesett, u can plainly see that he doesnt s Green till late.. and even then, TD picks it up a notch.
playmayker88 2 years ago
Darrel Green, a True REdskin and Warrior
Veretax 2 years ago
OL Darrell had the angle on Dorsett.
He straight up caught Dickerson though.
playmayker88 2 years ago
Green covered more distance because his yard marker position was behind Dorsett. Use a ruler and check it out on a table. This was actually a mismatch, Green probably covered 5 yards or more than Dorsett. Green's speed was awesome.
GOODY61 2 years ago
Here's proof that TD is faster AND that DG had the angle...
Answer this: Where was Green's body in relation to Tony when he took him down?
He was to the rear-left of Tony as they fell to the ground, with DG hitting the ground first.
If he didnt have an angle (which he was losing) , he would have drove Tony out of bounds landing on top of him.
If I failed Geometry, then you flunked physics.
playmayker88 2 years ago
Dude....you don't know what you're talking about. How do you possibly use physics to explain away the difference in distance covered? velocity (speed in a given direction) is made up of distance covered over the time taken. Basic geometry shows Green covered more ground over the exact same amount of time--ergo, he had higher velocity. This is an UNBELIEVABLY simple model in physics, whereas you're trying to use an extremely complicated one (body position after takedown). Occam's Razor wins.
harlequin115 2 years ago
Darrell Green was the best player the Redskins ever fielded!
gbrady3434 2 years ago 3
thtas how u run like a cornerback
lebronbus1 2 years ago 2
damn hes fast as fuck
inakiaguas 2 years ago 3
darrel green 40 yard=4.2
usain bolt 40 yard= +4.0 if he does one
darrel greens 100m= 10.08
usain bolts 100m= 9.72
wesal13 2 years ago
usain bolt is 9.58 100m noww
Fr3shChriS13 2 years ago
yeah lets see usain bolt with a football helment on..(TRUE ATHLETE) and with out the steroids in his system!!!!...NUFF SAID...
collin355 2 years ago
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bfrye1990 2 years ago
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bfrye1990 2 years ago
Green's credit for catching Dorsett is bogus and it always has been. He had an angle and a head start even though he crossed the field. I have the entire game on tape and I sae the play when it actually happened.
cllamont 2 years ago
um, what the hell? how could green have had a "head start"? they were both at the end of a 60 yard run. secondly, it was plain on the replay above that green did not have the angle. at about the 50 yard line, you see darrell green fly into the picture, about 5 yards behind dorsett. green is at the cowboys 48; dorsett is at the redskins 47, and green is also about 10 yards away from him and has to run diagonally while dorsett runs straight. he caught dorsett from behind.
idster7 2 years ago 9
He is a really nice guy, he came and talked to my football team this past week
6xL1oydx5 2 years ago 3
Darrell didn't have an angle on Tony D. That was a pure hunt down.
Interesting contrast in running styles. In track sprinters run in a Dig Phase, a Drive Phase, & an Acceleration Phase. Tony has a dramatic dig phase. Note the extreme forward lean when he takes the ball for about 13yds but he runs with an extreme back kick. The long leg drag behind his butt. Darrell runs with the more sprint efficient short back kick recovering his heel just under his butt at full sprint.
Makes him faster.
californiaquake86 2 years ago 2
He had an angle on Dorsett. It is there in the video. People who truly understand football recoginze and admit this.
cllamont 2 years ago
Remember back to the time you were failing Geometry class. It's only a shorter distance if Green's yard marker position was in front of Dorsett. Green was behind Dorsett. Check my other post on this video. Hope your ego is not too big to admit you are wrong.
GOODY61 2 years ago
Well lets be fair about this...
Dorsett started up the middle, and had to swing to the outside , and THEN up the sideline, avoiding tacklers along the way...
Green came in around a 40 degree angle, in a straight line... and he didnt come all the way across the field. he was in the middle of the field.
The tape doesnt lie.. Green comes in at 40 degrees, and Dorsett is just moving a little faster, simple as that. Watching DG close in from that angle even helps show that TD was moving faster.
playmayker88 2 years ago
No, you're not being fair--Look at 0:19. Green (28) is clearly further from the endzone than Tony Dorsett (Looks like Dorsett is at about the 48-49 yard line while Green is crossing the 50). Additionally, green has to make up the horizontal space between them--let's say it's 5 yards? Do the math--Green makes contact at about the 10 yard line--thus, Dorsett has run approximately 38 yards. In that time, green's run the root of 40^2+5^2=approximately 40.3 yards. He ran further, faster.
harlequin115 2 years ago
Now another thing to consider is that Tony didnt see Green until late in the play. Before that, Tony was anticipating an easy foot race against a LB and Safety.
You can actually see Dorsett do almost a double-take immdiately after DG passes the LB.
Once Tony identifies Green, he picks up his speed a notch, and you can even see Tony pick up his speed around the 34yd line ( @ :23 ) , but it was too late, because Darrell was too close at that point.
playmayker88 2 years ago
woah woah woah..the 10 yard line??
If youre gonna throw numbers out there, at least attempt to be accurate.
@ :20 the video freezes . This is the point where Dorsett is now parallel with the sideline and no longer weaving thru tacklers.
This is where the footrace truly starts.
TD's lead foot is on the 47 ; DG's lead foot is on the 48 (Not a 5 yd headstart for TD)
Tony was weaving thru tacklers & cutting through the line while DG had a clear path to the sideline where he meets Tony. (contd)
playmayker88 2 years ago
Jeesus Christ, where am I not accurate? I said they make contact at approximately the ten yard line--Look at 0:27, they're just short of the ten yard line (see the little black marker out of-bounds), and Green is making contact. Maybe it's closer to the 15, I'm sorry, but that doesn't change my basic point. @:20, as you said, DG is about a yard behind, as I said, and approximately 5 yards to the right of Tony Dorsett--hell, I'm being generous, it's almost certainly more than 5 yards. Yes?
harlequin115 2 years ago
Its your side that insists on using geometrical calculations , so if we're gonna break out actual measements...then we should be precise on the point of contact.
At 0:22 (right @the 34 yd line