Toyota 911 Crash Official Accident Report from Carquestions

[carquestions]

@autoconsumeradvocate Both Kane and Gilbert have been widly discredited by industry experts and are now keeping a very low profile. In case you haven't noticed they have not replied to any criticisms - something you need to do in order to keep your reputation. Kane and Gilbert should both have been charged with perjury in my opinion.

[carquestions]

@autoconsumeradvocate Mrs Smith sold her car with less than 3000 to someone else - nice old lady. The next owner drove it for 30,000 miles with no problems. NHTSA bought the car and has NASA helping them. So far in three months independent government investigators are unable to validate her cliams. Thats science and thats a fact.

[carquestions]

@autoconsumeradvocate Old news - if you'd like your car fixed its free - go to your dealer - Toyota has a special policy on it after a big lawsuit was settled. Where have you been?

[autoconsumeradvocate]

@carquestions No, I'm afraid it is not old news. Your data may not be up-to-date. Toyota models and model years beyond the CSP are still experiencing a major problem with engine oil sludge. Toyota did not follow through with its CSP as it claimed it would. Many owners never received the letter promised by Toyota.

[matthvm]

What I like know is why the driver could not shift the car into neutral and stopped the car from moving? I had incident where the accelerator return spring broke and caused the car to do the samething as this vehicle that was 30 years ago .

[carquestions]

March 31, 2010, 9:30 pm - Sources familiar with the NHTSA / Toyota investigations have reported to Carquestions that all of the investigations of the past two weeks (more than 8) have all resulted in a finding of "driver error" and no vehicle defects have been found. It is also reported that NHTSA will halt its current round of investigations into Toyota sudden acceleration claims until further notice.

[carquestions]

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[CRISTO359]

Here is what concerns me:

The CHP at least can read:

San Diego County Sheriff's Department

Incident Report: Saylor Family Accident

So for eample, when the sheriff clearly pointed out that the lack of knowledge of the fact that the driver needs to hold the power button for 3 seconds was deadly, and recommended that drivers must be explained that, how come this new CHP report about the Prius does not mention anything about it?

They still dont know about it? Do they have a different agenda?

[carquestions]

@CRISTO359 The SDSD knows about it - Sikes was just a Fruad

[carquestions]

@CRISTO359 I want to know why the cops won't charge him? Improper use of 911 emergency system, dangerous driving, reckless driving, speeding, fail to stop etc. etc. 3 different investigative teams all reached the same conclusion exactly that the driver failed to stop and this isn't considered

evidence? Cops have convicted people for murder with just one eyewitness - 3 teams of experts aren't good enough?

[wolfmage64]

Thanks for sharing this. This report brings insight to 1) check that the floor mats and other objects do not obstruct the downward motion of the accelerator pedal

2) Make sure that the correct floor mat is used for your model and they are secured both sides properly.

Makes you more aware even for your own car and renting a car to check for these things!

[Mandy7D7]

Thank you carquestions for posting this report.

So so sad but we all need to be informed.

[carquestions]

@Psssomeoneslistening You know what kills me? The filming of this guy Sykes and his suspect car. If I was holding the camera I would have loved the chance to solve this problem for a nation. First thing I would have done was open the door and film the area near his feet - see if there are floor mats, cans of coke etc. Then I would stay with the car and film the investigation live no matter were it went or how long - This is viedography story telling 101 - Why aren't they doing this?

[kobejamess]

it all a game by ford company to get toyota out of business. paid some employee to mess up the car at the manufacture company in u..s why is the cars made in japan is not a recall. you think for yourself ford is big loser and cant win if toyota in the game.

[carquestions]

The vehicle had the shift lever in drive - the road was very short he had no time - this is on pg 28 of the SDSD report - three days before the accelerator stuck on another customer and he told the dealer it was the mat.

[Burnedice]

The driver was provably a woman. Obviously, if you ran into a stuck accelerator you would change from D to neutral, that way accelerator stops functioning and you can use brake for safety or if brakes doesnt work use hand brake or foot brake after slowing down

[floodtime]

@Burnedice The driver was male, a 16 year veteran officer of CHP.

[box262]

Toyota is hanging themselves for lawsuits. They admitted to the public in the last few days that even with the recalls they weren't sure if it would fix the problems - ie it's really a major software or more probable electronic hardware glitch which will cost a heck of alot more in parts and time to fix than a plate in the accellartor.

Big lawsuits are coming there way !!

[carquestions]

What most people seem to miss is Lentz also said it could be other things like "brake pedal misapplication" - the press prefers the computer bogeyman story.

[carquestions]

@lolsmileyface If you want people to believe you - you have to keep your facts straight - the vehicle was a RX400H

Sure - it could have fused to a hundred different parts - even the brake pedal - but it didn't. This accident has benn well investigated and it was concluded the floor mat caused the accident

[lolsmileyface]

Thanks for posting the crash investigative report!

Note: That heat from the crash fused the floormat ( the same mats in my Prius - only sized for an LS 450h, and in a loaner ES350 ), is zero...ZERO proof that this was in some way the cause of the incident, as Toyota has held to it's customers and press. It simply proves that fire and heat fused rubber and plastics inside the passenger compartment.

[lolsmileyface]

@lolsmileyface NOTE: The paragraph detailing that the push-button ignition takes 3 seconds to activate a disengagement. Toyota states a 3-5 second button press to shut down the ignition of a running/moving Toyota.

I have held all along Officer Saylor was in a loaner vehicle, and was NOT familiar with this peculiar fact to vehicles equipped with push-button ignition. I own a Toyota thusly equipped and I MYSELF did not know this - and I'm certain Officer Saylor did not as well.

[carquestions]

Wrong again - Saylor owned an IS250 himself which had push button start. He like most owners and you didn't likely read the section of the manual that states how to shut the car off. Again this is in the SD police report - I can tell you what page if you like. Stop repeating inaccurate info from CNN or Fox. SUA is a serious problem and rumors like yours won't help anyone be safe or solve the problem.

[carquestions]

Get your facts straight - the mat found in the Saylor Lexus was from a RX400H. 2nd -The police tested the mat over and over in a ES350 and it stuck every time it was floored. 3rd Frank Bernard (witness) had the accelerator stick on him 3 days before the Saylor's were loaned the same exact car. Bernard told the dealership "I think the mat caused it" when he returned the vehicle. The dealership did nothing then loaned the car to Saylor.

[ledzep4090]

What was 5?

[carquestions]

That is the section that is known to include the final concluding statements. If it implicates the driver it is considered personal information and is blacked out becuase of FOI considerations.

[Steve197201]

Why was item number five blacked out?

[1001Hobbies]

After seeing the condition of the passenger compartment in total disarray I believe it's difficult to say what the condition of the floormat was before the impacts, rolls, and burning.

Mr. Saylor, being a Patrolman, I would have to believe, had the intelligence to check the pedal for obstruction or at least attempt to hook his foot under the pedal to pull it up, at which time he would have found the mat/pedal interference with his 19 years experience of making quick, smart desicions.

[carquestions]

A couple of points - His job for the past 4 years was "special duties, school bus program officer" 3 days before a customer Frank Bernard had the car and told the dealership the car accelerated out of control on him and told the dealer receptionist this when he returned it - quote (from his witness statement) "I think the mat caused it" - Police investigators confirmed the wrong floor mat causes the accelerator in an ES350 to stick every time it is floored. I have the 29 page Police report -

[1001Hobbies]

Very interesting information. Even after the previous driver reported the floormat interfering with the pedal it was left in place. Possible evidence that the dealership didn't bother to look into the complaint.

I wouldn't reduce the Officer's credibility due to his duties of the last 4 years. He still had 15 years which were likely more typical.

Thanks for keeping on top of this. The next couple months should be interesting.