@thoostorm4 I always get a kick out of drawing out the weakest minded individuals like yourself that can't even pick up on an obvious joke comment. (Well, obvious for the intelligent anyway. ;) And so there you are, the idiot that took it serious.. LOL! (BTW, you forgot to comment on my Marvis Frazier comment as best P4P fighter dummy.) So, go count your brain cells. Hint: Just use one hand. ;D
Wrong. Duran was always intimidated by Hearns, it's in his biography and Hearns' biography. Hearns would have beaten him, by massacre, any time they ever could have met.
Ayala? Who did Ayala ever beat that indicated he would even lay a glove on Hearns?
I don' think Roberto was really intimidated, the guy feared no other human on earth, but I think at some point before the fight he realised that Hearns could hurt him very very badly and that the fight was a little bit of a mismatch.
I've got both men's official biographies. Duran was not his usual self around Hearns and never tried to intimidate him the way he did with Leonard and Hagler.
Yes my friend! Having a great under-card was insurance in case the main event was a stinker. Then promoters got greedy cheap and threw in 2-bit under-cards so they could put more of your money in their deep pockets. As for the big "H" People hated Howard Cosell cuz he was an ass. Even George Foreman called him a racist on live TV. Mike Tyson loved Mexicans! And we love Mike Tyson!
Howard Cosell did not like Mexicans. I hope he died a painful death. The knockdown was actually the 3rd suffered by Carlos Palomino. The 1st was against Zovek Barrajas, 2nd knockdown against Armando Muniz, and this one.
@tayzerdbaby33 it's not howard cossel comentating fool.. btw .. as a Jew Howard had to take a lot of racial abuse and misuse coming up the ranks so to say he doesnt like any group of nationality is flat out dumb
Ignorance is something to worry about, Palomino had trouble tagging Duran cus Duran you may hit him with the first punch but second and third forget it he's countering. Please fans analize don't hate, the boxing game is hard enough.
they're talking about a knockout but Palomino wasn't getting slaughtered, he was landing some shots but he just wasn't in the same class as Duran. Still, he was a good fighter and this is a good fight.
Couple of interesting things in this fight. 1. Duran was approaching or in his prime. 2. one of the last fights the great Don Dunphy called. Historic. Remember this as if it was yesterday.
@johnleemd I never said that hearns didnt fight an awesome fight against duran..i simply said.. and you and everyone knows.. that tommy couldnt take a sweet pea on the jaw before he looked like zab judah... duran stood a punchers chance against hearns..and won titles after the hearns fight.. and is one of the GREATEST OF ALL TIME...
Duran stood no chance against Hearns. Hearns was just wrong for Duran. The hit man did not have a good chin but Duran was the wrong man to try and expose it.
Duran, at the end of the day, is a naturally smaller man than Hearns and a slow starter to boot.
At lightweight and welterweight, Duran was a truly great fighter, however.
@BruceinFalkirk very true, Hearns was a huge welter and Duran was a lightweigt..Styles makes fights though and as you say Hearns was soo wrong style vise.. But better to test youreself against the best and loose, not like some of today that knows that some fights aint right, and just dont want to risk it.
Indeed. Interestingly I have a fight on tape between Palomino and England's Dave 'Boy' Green. Green was a mile ahead after 10 rounds of swarming Palomino and then his eye started to swell and Palomino knocked him out with a punch in round 11.
There would have been no chance of him doing that to Duran though as you're not going to deck Duran with one punch and Duran doesn't swell easily.
This is Duran in his prime, before he beat Leonard. Very intimidating figure. Look at his broad shoulders and chiseled physique at 147 lbs. Too bad he couldn't get his lifestyle and weight problems under control. It clearly caught up to him when he hit 30. He was pushing it when he moved above 147, because he began to look more pudgy and was fighting bigger framed, leaner, and faster men like Hagler and Hearns, who were in their primes.
for sure palomino was no slouch. very very tough kid.. duran should have called it a day after the first leonard fight..he couldn't leave the spotlight. looked at alot of your commentaries. duran would have been in the top ten for sure. carlos ortiz, a young mando ramos?,ismael laguna as contemporaries, would be nice matches.. but, barney ross, henry armstrong,ike williams,ray robinson as a welter, to name a few, would have handed both duran and leonard their head?? but tough guys for sure..
@genovegas7 Duran was always better at LW, maybe the best but I think he is revered more 4what he achieved after his prime & against the odds. His failures & triumphs, the rise & fall of his career are what a lot of people, myself included identify with. An emotional response, not a logical conclusion but personally Duran is one the GOAT, behind only Armstong & Robinson. Leonard top 20.
Palomino did go down but that tuff as nails mexican american fighter never touched a knee or a but on the canvass. I loved Palomino a true LA, world boxing Legend.
Duran was easily in anybody's top 5 list that you care to name, plain, and simple. There were 2 Duran's though. Duran Light (HUNGRY), &Duran(HEAVY), ill trained. It didn't matter if he were lightweight. or middleweight. When Duran was hungry he could scrap with Mike Tyson, but like the old adage goes in the fight game,"When a fighter ain't hungry, he gets fat". He represents up there with Ali, Fraizier, Robinson, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, and the list goes on as a boxing immortal.
Absolute genius. The way he picks off and slips shots as he sets up his own, the way he slides to the side to find an angle, the feints, the body angling, the precise judgment of range that let him pull away from jabs and then come back over them. Closest to all round perfect blend of defence and offence boxing ever produced. Robinson may of been a better fighter since he had such incredible athleticism & power to go with his skill, but nobody was ever as deft as Duran as an all round fighter.
@rd062080 good answer, but knocking out Cervantes or Arguello could have meant more money for him when facing Leonard. For many years Burt Sugar and others always said that Cervantes could have beaten Duran, it would have been nice for Duran to prove him wrong. Also by busting up Arguello it would have added to his legacy and guys (like Sugar again) who continue to say Benny Leonard or Stanley Ketchel was better then Duran would have had no leg to stand on.
It's a shame Duran never fought Alexis Arguello or Antonio Cervantes. I wonder why he bypassed the junior welterweights? Cervantes in his prime would have nice to see vs Roberto
@judaschongo Roberto Duran was either the greatest lightweight ever or a close second. If he had one weakness it was against good boxers, Leonard was a great ring general, thats why i said he might beat him.
not as a Lightweight pal; observe his only loss to DeJesus. Very close fight; could of literally gone either way. Roberto was coming on strong towards the latter half of the fight. Had it been a championship 15 rounder? Duran really hurts or stops him during the championship rounds(13,14,15).
if thats the case , I hope everyone realises how over rated leonard was and that is coming from alot of in the know boxing people including manny Stewerd who i had the plesure of meeting and talking boxing for 20mins and he said Hagler beat Leonerd in his oppinon , ps sorry about the spelling im guessing blank keyboard, but hagler and duran in my top 5
Hagler dominated a weak middleweight division. Best win was against Hearns, who was coming up to fight. Hearns was never the best of his weight-Leonard was always better. Benitez was behind Hearns & Leornard in his weight. Duran, like Hagler dominated his weight class for years BUT stepped up & beat good fighters like Cuevas, Palomino & the great Leonard. He also beat Moore and Barkley (good fighters) & gave Hagler one of his toughest fights! Why is it hard for some not to see Durans greatness?
Duran was great but as for giving hagler 1 of his toughest fights ever ,I have to disagree hagler just didnt fight the way he could have, he faught a chess match but still won comfortable no matter what the judges scored it, Hagler had many ways of fighting, lots of diferent styles and sometimes he may not have chose the best but still got the job done, and yes Hagler is 1 of my top 3 fighters but so is Duran
judge the man as a Lightweight! true the walk off was bullshit but then again look at his numerous victories. He simply quit big deal; it's not like he was knocked down or was getting dismantled? he simply got frustrated and felt he was being made fun of and quit.
@judaschongo I judge him highly as a middleweight too. He may have been the best fighter yea. If you watch the severe beating he gave Ken Buchanon. WOW! I may have to agree with you.
i will honestly say, that if duran beats benitez, ray (rematch), haggler and hearns, then, yes hes way above any of the aforementioned fighters. he'd be right there with ray robnson. heck!! if he beat at least hagler and benitez, but still lost to hearns and ray (rematch), or vice-versa, then he would be high, but not nxt 2 ray robnson. but to lose 2 the aforementioned fighters, besides first match vs ray, and still put him at #5 all time is ridiculous. thats why i dont listen 2 all the media.
You people are nuts. Pac is a feather weight pretending to be a walterweight and that pussy Mayweather wants tests. Mayweather is a disease to the sport of Boxing. I am 50 and I would fight that puck right now.
duran ahead of hagler or leonard...youre kiddin right?? cmon now. duran was great, but not that great. he's 1-5 against the best all time greats in his era: hagler, hearns, benitez and leonard. he beat leonard once and then lost 2 leonard and the others already mentioned. he's an all time great...but not in the top 20 p4p of all time.
you are fogetting that Duran was a natural lightweight and he cleaned out that division when the division was full of stars,All the fighters you mentioned were above Durans natural weight especialy Hagler Duran ruled the lightweights for 7 1/2 yrs
Please, dude, Duran was super-great and is almost always included in at least the top 10 in any credible list of all-time greats, including the Bible of Boxing, Ring Magazine, which placed him No. 5, Leonard No. 9, and Hagler No. 17. "Not that great," you say? Puh-leeze...he was awesome.
duran ahead of both hagler and leonard???? r u serious??? thats my point. duran is great. no doubt!! but to put him ahead of hagler and leonard is ridiculous!! so he cleaned out the lw division. so what?? if pac stayed at the smaller weight classes he couldve done the same thing. but he moved up after dominating them.
Duran also moved up in weight and won titles at welter and junior middleweight and gave Hagler fits at middleweight (without steroids, I might add). He didn't even bother with junior welterweights after leaving the lightweight class. He was super great and deserves his status at No. 5. I don't know what Pacquiao has to do with it but good thing he doesn't have Duran in front of him--Hands of Stone would've have picked him apart with relative ease, smashed his face in and ruined him.
so he beat moore (who had 12 fights b4 fighting duran) and barkley (who was a good, not great fighter). thats enough??? noo waay! people put him up there cause the media puts him up there. but when u do your research you'll find out that he's not above hagler or leonard, and he's not in same company as ali, ray robinson, joe luis, etc...(in the p4p all time greats list). btw, do u have any proof that pac is on roids??? if not, u shouldnt be saying that. give me proof. not just your speculation.
I forgot that Duran beat Barkley at middleweight so he won titles in four weight classes, three of them major (light, welter, middle). He was 72-1 after beating Leonard in their 1st fight; and his win over Barkley cemented his status as an all-time great. It is YOU, friend, who needs to do his research, made obvious by questioning Duran's credentials. Watch this fight here against Palomino--he was a nightmare in there! And no, I don't have proof re: Pacquiao & steroids; but it'll come to pass.
@Kedbuka so he won in 4 weight classes?? thats good. but guess what?? pacquiao has done it in 7 weight classes against guys much bigger than him. never done before. as 4 the roids.... floyd and his dad think he's on roids too. ....freddie roach agreed to have olympic style testing prior to mayweather fight to prove he's clean.
how could you compare Pacquiao's competition to that of Duran's? Pacquiao is an awesome little fighter who's proved to be the best of his generation and deserves to be considered & mentioned within the pantheon of Great Boxers. Could you honestly envision Manny defeating a Duran or Leonard? NO! that isn't even fair to Pacquiao. He should be consired among the 126-40lbs range at most. But NOT against Duran! vs a Chavez? who's static & somewhat predictable; different story though?
not just because of his final title at Middleweight over Barkley is it that his Greatness or legacy is cemented? his tenure at Lightweight is sufficient enough for Greatness to a keen observer of the sport.
What would you know about "keen" observation? You like to toot your own horn but it's for others to tell you whether you demonstrate any sort of acumen regarding the Sweet Science. And I'd say the jury's out on that question. In fact, you seem to be quite a knucklehead, one who searches out "facts" to support his own pre-drawn conclusions. Bertram Russell once said, "The problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt." You seem quite sure of yourself.
"seems" but looks or perceptions can be deceiving. Pre-drawn? your correct in a sense; I have a certain opinions, just as you do I'm sure; if that's what your referring to?
Very contradictory the way in which you were or are so quick to pass judgement on Pacquiao for some alleged violation on his part.
@Kedbuka 7 months later but better late than never. I never have been that much into stats or records, But I do agree with your statement "the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt." Smart people will second guess what they think they know all the time. Cause as soon as you think you know it all you're wrong already. Back to the sweet science Duran was a bad ass, so was SRL, Hearns and Hagler. the one common loss they all had was to SRL. Does that make him the best of that trio?
@tellthetruthg: Duran beat SRL in their first go-round so it's hard to say Ray's better. Plus, Duran was the one stepping up in weight--if the roles were reversed, do you think a smaller SRL could've beaten a bigger Duran? Really though, they're all hall-of-fame fighters and each of them, at their peak, would give any fighter hell from any generation. By the way, I liked your remark about Palomino. He did SoCal proud when he beat Stracey in London to bring home the world title.
@Kedbuka the size and weight was never that much of factor between them; it was always fair. Unlike Maywether vs Marquez. Duran vs Hearns. those were 2 matches the size disparity was significant. Ray vs Donny Ladon (Spell check) he made ray look tiny in the ring. Until Ray started throwing combos Donny never faced before.But before SRL used him as a punching bag, Donny hit him like SRL never felt before a shot bigger than Hearns threw. Ray knew he had to fight his best fight or see stars
MOST of the fighters of the 70s would have minced-meat out of the bums of today. They're too showy, no real heart and not hungry at all. The 1970s Foreman would have KOed Holyfied and Moorer within 4 rounds.
it doesn't take a genius to comprehend & know Duran's superiority; those are just the facts and it doesn't diminish Pacquiao in any sense. But Manny could of had a chance against other Lightweights though? and 1 for instance was Chavez. He may very well have been routed by Pacquaio.
i did. my daddy said the same thing (lol). more importantly i did the research myself. because everyone has their own opinion. but if its not based on fact, then their opinion is very biased. thats why everyone should do the research on their own. and draw their own conclusions. fair enough??
listen, i respect duran. he's great. just not as great as alot of people have him. whats the criteria 4 duran 2 b among the best of all time?? can any of durans fan answer that? what: that he dominated the lw 4 about 7 yrs.?? or that he beat ray once? or that he beat ok fighters in moore and barkley at a later age 4 the title?? is that the criteria? im sorry, that criteria does not warrant duran a top 10 spot among the all time greats. that makes no sense.
@judaschongo yes, but the media can be, and alot if times, is bias. we live in the days when the media dont just present u with information. they put twists on just about everything now. nothing is presented to the gen public without some sort of agenda behind it---whether good or bad. the media doesnt want u to think 4 yourself. they want to do the thinking 4 u. if the media can present something and then, factually, support it, than i respect that. but if not, than i wont buy it.
you make valid points with regards to media manipulation; but not all analysts & professional opinions or opinions in general could be deemed biased & incorrect.
i agree with u. if the media, or anyone, cause use facts to back up their information then i'll buy into it. but if its based on their view, then i wont. 4 example, alot of people have duran high on the all time greats list, but based on his career, i dont see it. so my question i ask is: "whats the criteria" that puts duran at #5 (ring mag)? duran fans dont state a criteria, they state their opinion. its not who he beat, its who he lost to that doesnt warrant him a spot that high.
How about best lightweight of all time? Of course it is Duran. Moore an Barkley just "good"? World champions just aren't "good". This easily puts him in the top 5. Many experts agree
Well, well, well...it appears Manny is refusing "Olympic-style testing" in advance of the Mayweather bout. Specifically, he's refusing to provide any blood samples within 30 days of the fight, samples which could then be analyzed for a greater number of steroids and human growth hormone. Gee, I wonder why he's refusing that sort of request? Duh....
no doubt. if manny comes out dirty, then he will lose all credibility. but lets not jump the gun just yet. so far he is willing to take the blood test, just not when floyd wants it. he's willing to take it immediately after the fight, on the same night. but floyd wants it taken before the fight. whats the diff between right after and before?? u would think that would satisfy floyd, but apparently not. floyds pushing the issue cause he knows that manny paranoid about drawing blood. its a ploy.
Even if Mayweather's using it as a ploy, it's a legitimate concern and the request ought to be honored. Before the fight seems to be the time to take the sample; afterwards, there's a concern Pacquiao could do something to disguise the steroid or HGH. And yes, if Pacquiao turns out dirty, no only will he lose all credibility but his shame--like Ben Johnson--will be absolute.
if they take the test afterwards, it would be "immediately" after the fight. and im sure their would be people from floyds camp that would be there to make sure that nothing "strange" happened. I BELIEVE PACQUIAO. if pac said he didnt want to take the test AT ALL than i would have my doubts. but he's not saying that. all floyd has to do is make sure his people are with pac the whole time after the fight. thats it! but hes makin' it harder than it should be. i dont think floyd wants to fight pac.
look WADA testing may very well be the future; maybe 1yr or 5yrs down the line? but it isn't the here & now! So why should Pacquiao have to submit himself to a testing procedure that NO other boxer before(that's been approved by the NSAC or CSAC! e.g.), has ever been subjected to?
legitamate concern? LOL! if that's the case? then all boxing & boxers are dirty, HGH injected cyborgs! Haha!
and what if it is? so what! it's still NOT up to a certain fighter to make those testing demands. He should just join the masses, get inline and recieve his Steroid, H1N1 or whatever the fuck type of inoculation to level the playing field. LOL!
since when is it up a fighter to decide that? why is Mayweather supercedinig & usurping in areas designed for commissions? and actually he did agree to test within 24days of the bout! but Floyd still insisted on testing 3-7days prior to the fight? when in actuallity the final test in the locker room would decide the matter; and Mayweather is negated! Why in hell should Manny bend over backwards to those demands? Gee I wonder? have you even asked yourself that?
why do you have to go up or down to prove your worth as a boxer. duran was a master at his trade and he IS in my top ten all time! even with his outcomes against leonard, i rate him ahead of leonard. also hagler and hearns.
Duran is probably top 5 P4P alltime. Leonard wouldnt be in the top 15. He didnt fight enough nor did he dominate a weight class for any period of time.
Hell Ya...youre not kiddin!.... this guy wasnt afraid of anybody. He fought all who was there to fight in all divisions. Fought 5 different decades. 4 Division champion. Exciting fighter. You name it!
I would agree with you except I would rank Hagler even with Duran as the two best fighters of my lifetime (I was born in 1967) pound for pound. Of the fighters you mentioned (Duran, Hagler, Leonard, and Hearns), only Duran and Hagler dominated weight classes over a long period of time. Moving up, to me, is overrated; you must clean out your division. Even Henry Armstrong, a three-division champ, made 19 defenses at welterweight.
I looked at your profile... you are 21 as I am 21! LOL
By the way... I like that mamita's behind! Soy Dominicano y mi mujer tiene un culo mas o menos parecido! If you don't understand don't worry is just me being bad!
Roberto Duran was the best fighter(pound for pound) that has ever lived! Hearns was the only guy who really beat him... and only because he had a BAZOOKA in his right hand which when landed squarely could take out an elephant! With a slightly different strategy, Duran could have easily defeated him! Notice that he never got a rematch!
Most of these top guys keep fighting each other to milk the audience while they are hot. Hearns handlers were businessmen, they saw that there was no gain in exposing themselves a second time to a cautious Duran, so they went with Ray Leonard for the Money and later Marvin Hagler for the same reason...Hearns lost both, while Duran kept winning and won the World junior Middle weight
tittle. Don't get me wrong, I liked Hearns... he was exciting,but a one punch fighter is still a one punch fighter!
No matter how good you are..there is always someone who is better.
At 154lbs HEARNS was to fast and to powerful for DURAN.HEARNS had that long reach,fast left jab and that incredible straight right hand.And HEARNS could box as well..just ask ray leonard who had to retire,after their first fight.
Good points, I agree with you! Except for the boxer part... he didn't need to box that much as most of the times he overwhelmed his opponents with his reach and power. He was not shaped right for dancing around the ring like Leonard, and his stamina was questionable for the same reason! An exciting, devastating puncher(the Detroit cobra)in the 154Lbs junior Middleweight division but I don't think he'll make it into the Boxing Hall of Fame any time soon! IMOP
Remember..in their 1981 bout,for the first five rounds HEARNS tried to throw bombs..but leonard was to fast.And then in the 6th round..when leonard landed that left hook to hearns body,he had to turn to the role of boxing leonard,and did a great job.So much so that,leonard had to play the role of slugger to get him.
hearns fought leonard, lost ( premature stoppage IMO) beat Benitez and then KO'd Duran lost a shoot out with Hagler and by that time Duran really wasnt the fighter he was so why have a rematch? Duran was too small and he just couldnt get at hearns to hit him
@Harrygton I was in your corner until you said Duran would've won the rematch. Styles make fights and Duran didn't have the style to ever whup Hearns. Maybe the rematch never happened because Duran knew that too. Too small too slow and not even Duran can take that punch again and he diidn't want to find out. You can beat me I can beat your buddy but you can't.
@tellthetruthg duran vs hearns i believe he stood a punchers chance against hearns.. if he touched hearns jaw... because as awesome a puncher as hearns was..he couldnt take a kleenex on the jaw... so if Roberto could hit him.. he could beat him.
@prophetdaryl What fight did you watch? Hearns schooled Duran so bad, it honestly looked like a dad boxing his young son. A G.o.A.T would never go out like that. Duran was great; but let's not call him GOAT material.
@JohnLeeMD Dolt, you are watching two Latino greats fight(1 being Mexican). Why would you even insult mexicans at this point? Your hypocrisy disgusts me.
for all those who had bad feelings and negative perpective about Duran´s Career...
Duran is in the Hall of Fame, Period...
Are you saying, millions of people in the world are wrong about Duran but you not?? Got to live with the hrting truth... Duran is an !!All time Leyend!!
i couldn't agreee more with that comment. if Benitez beat Duran at 140 or 147 then i'd give him nothing but credit. But he never did...he waited around for him to become washed up and fought him at a weight class that he wasn't so effecient in. Benitez held 154 good and could still move...Duran actually called out Benitez at 140 and 147, but he ran off and fought palomino for a title shit and acted like that was an accomplishment.
benitez was washed up before duran was.don't have any excuses for duran.he makes enough for himslef.I'm a fan, but saying benitez waited around is utterly ridiculous.
washed up before Duran? Benitez fans claim he was washed up when he lost to Hamsho,Moore and whoever else whooped his ass. that was around 1983-1984. Duran wasn't the same by 1981. Benitez was supposedly at his peak around 1982 when he beat Duran. Duran at 1982, not so much..154 was not a good weight for Duran, and Benitez capitalized on this. whether he waited or not he lost to everybody else relavent anyway.
bueno duran solo gano un titulo mas que benitez por categorias pera benitez lo vancio limpiamente asi que benitez es mas que duran refuta lo que quieras
loco del carajo! Benitez no tiene el palmarés que tiene Durán......El hecho que benitez le haya ganado por decisión no lo hace más grande. Durán venció a Sugar Ray quien noqueó a Benitez......Durán es el mejor latino de todos los tiempos, digas lo que digas....
Si diles lo que se merecen sobrino. ademas, tambien diles que Duran perdiò el segundo encuentro contra Sugar Ray leonard, retirandose de la pelea como el propio maricon. que pena, que pena.
Benitez didn't face anywhere near the Duran like the one in the above fight. Benitez might've always beaten him at 154, he was just better at that weight, while Duran was very inconsistent outside of the Moore fight, where it'd have been interesting. At 140 and 147 though, I'd take the best Duran to beat Benitez, in fact a late stoppage over 15 wouldn't be out of bounds. IMO Palomino was Duran's best performance along with the Leonard fight above LW, and even as good as any LW of his LW fight.
I agree that this performance by Duran is one of his greatest in any of his fights above lightweight. Palomino was a good fighter but Duran was in shape, motivated, and won every round by quite a bit. He was just really GREAT in this fight. It's one of my favorite fights to watch. Duran's just amazing here.
R.O.B.E.R.T.O. D.U.R.A.N. = "Ribs Or Body Experienced Real Torture Once Doctor's Unrelenting Ringmanship Attacked Nonstop!"
Yes, If there ever were a doctor of boxing it was Duran. His ring-savvy knowledge and movements were calculating. Instead of the sundry trunks he wore in many different colors, he should have come in simply white trunks with a white robe to boot.....like a physician!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh god. benitez got knocked down by moore and broke hes ankle, hard to make a come back when you cant stand. different fighters hit their primes at different ages, so stop using this "he was only 25" as an excuse, same thing happened to tyson. cant be bothered with all the other comments. instead of arguing about how shit this and that fighter is, why dont you just acknowledge what they have done for the sport n so forth? :)
and one last thing to put the nail in the coffin. Get any lightweight, ever. Now tell me which one would've have beaten leonard @ 147. Now tell me which would demolish Moore at middelweight. Now go ahead and tell me which one would come back @ 38, floor Iran Barkley and beat him. checkmate. Your problem is you listen to too many crazed Duran fans on youtube. Duran is great. not that great. i dont even have him in my top 10 but the man was a beast from 135-147 and EVERYBODY knows this. goodnight.
Tell ME which other lightweight woulda hired panama Lewis in a rematch to CHEAT for him, then when it doesnt workout, QUIT like a coward. Boy, thats some nail in the coffin you got
and lmao @ Benitez being spent....did DURAN look like the same Duran when he fought Hearns,Hagler and Benitez? He was 30+ fighting @ weight classes that most lightweights don't even go into against AVERAGE fighters. Yet when Benitez goes up to 160 and gets owned by tomato cans you've never heard of like matthew hilton, it's reasonable? How can you give credit to Benitez for beating a shot middleweight Duran, But not Moore for fighting a shot Middleweight Benitez? exactly...Bye.
You rite tho, benitez Wasnt spent at all, I already said I only said that to do you a favor, cuz Moore KOd the same Benitez who spent 15 long rnds kikkin durans poor ass from ringpost to ringpost. Moore was better that night with Benitez cause wilfred didnt THUMB him in the 1st like Duran had to do tho
and beating Leonard takes skill no matter how he fights his opponents. Benitez took an entertaining beatdown for 15 rds against him. Leonard used HIM as a tune up for Duran and didn't run around the ring at all. i wonder why Benitez didn't want to fight Duran around 1978-79 @ 140-147...hmm maybe he wanted an easier way to get his title, from Palomino, a good but not great technical boxer. Did he even win a fight after 1982?
Maybe beating leonard by one littl point does taks skill, but not as much skill as makin Duran Quit like a chikken does. Nobody knew Ray could do that
Duran made this fight with Palomino exciting. Did you see the Benitez/Palomino fight? Borning. Benitez fought this guy for his 147 title, and in the same year Duran fought the same man as a TUNE-UP for the Leonard fight in Montreal, which he won. Duran had called out Benitez around the same time here but his people backed out. so what does he do? wait for him to move up to Jr Middleweight and get sluggish. wise move Benitez.
Duran was a great fighter one of the legends. A street fighter at heart. Thats where he came from. Against cute fast boxers who just wanted to back pedal the whole fight he could look bad especially when he got older. It was like if you dont wanna fight me then fuck off and go ball room dancing. Comment about Sugar ray being only great fighter he beat is just wrong. He beat Buchanan a truly great fighter though he never gave him a rematch and Duran said he was the best he ever fought.
Duran began his pro career in 1968, fought over 75x, his prime was 72-78 he was knocked down twice by DeJesus(not knocked out) los the 1st by decision then knockout DeJesus twice in 74 and 78. He fought Hearns in 1984 20lbs over his natural weight, slower and older. How can you say that was his prime? It was Hearns prime. had they fought as welterweights 4yrs earlier it would have been a different story.
No, what I'm saying is that had they fought as welterweights Duran would have been quicker and able to avoid getting as often as he did. He also would have been in better condition. He only fought once in 1984. His previous fight was Hagler in Sept. then Hearns in June of '84 that's 9mos. He was more active as a welterweight. I believe he would have beat Hearns as Leonard did as a welterweight.
had they, 'If' whatever. All we got is what they DID. & to a boxing fan, what they really DID is all that matters. Duran quit. he fouled repeatedly, & he cheated. Most his biggest wins were over nobodies too
Some people would agree with you, others would say that you can't dismiss his great career because of "No Mas". Others would say that the Moore then the miraculous Barkley victory proved just how great he was. He was WAY past his prime and was able to beat two very strong young champions in their prime.
How did the Mooe fight proove anything? By thumming a virtual amature, a kid with 12 fights to his name, does that prove greatness? & Barkley got knocked down, thats all. before that Barkley was whupping Duran hands down
And Durans fans never get tired of choking-out excuses for him, thats for sure.If he wasnt 'way past his prime' he 'wasnt prepared' or he 'had the flu' or he ' partied too much' he 'didnt have time to train' etc, etc etc. It gets old & boring having to hear a boxing fan constantly make excuses like that, thats for sure
Duran,... Palomino,...
Are you kidding? These guys were the Hostess Twinkies of boxing.
Marvis Frazier was, and remains the best Pound 4 Pound fighter ever!
Ghstwn 3 months ago
@Ghstwn you wouldnt last half a round with either one faggotboy
thoostorm4 2 months ago
@thoostorm4 I always get a kick out of drawing out the weakest minded individuals like yourself that can't even pick up on an obvious joke comment. (Well, obvious for the intelligent anyway. ;) And so there you are, the idiot that took it serious.. LOL! (BTW, you forgot to comment on my Marvis Frazier comment as best P4P fighter dummy.) So, go count your brain cells. Hint: Just use one hand. ;D
Ghstwn 2 months ago
@MultiRocketman007
Wrong. Duran was always intimidated by Hearns, it's in his biography and Hearns' biography. Hearns would have beaten him, by massacre, any time they ever could have met.
Ayala? Who did Ayala ever beat that indicated he would even lay a glove on Hearns?
BruceinFalkirk 5 months ago
@BruceinFalkirk
I don' think Roberto was really intimidated, the guy feared no other human on earth, but I think at some point before the fight he realised that Hearns could hurt him very very badly and that the fight was a little bit of a mismatch.
toby099 4 months ago
@toby099
I've got both men's official biographies. Duran was not his usual self around Hearns and never tried to intimidate him the way he did with Leonard and Hagler.
BruceinFalkirk 4 months ago
Yes my friend! Having a great under-card was insurance in case the main event was a stinker. Then promoters got greedy cheap and threw in 2-bit under-cards so they could put more of your money in their deep pockets. As for the big "H" People hated Howard Cosell cuz he was an ass. Even George Foreman called him a racist on live TV. Mike Tyson loved Mexicans! And we love Mike Tyson!
chinelo3333 6 months ago
Unbelievable that this was an undercard bout. A great era before the big decline.
1899sharkey 7 months ago
Howard Cosell did not like Mexicans. I hope he died a painful death. The knockdown was actually the 3rd suffered by Carlos Palomino. The 1st was against Zovek Barrajas, 2nd knockdown against Armando Muniz, and this one.
tayzerdbaby33 7 months ago
@tayzerdbaby33 it's not howard cossel comentating fool.. btw .. as a Jew Howard had to take a lot of racial abuse and misuse coming up the ranks so to say he doesnt like any group of nationality is flat out dumb
nomadineternity 6 months ago
Howard Cosell did not like Mexicans. I hope he died a painful death.
tayzerdbaby33 7 months ago
Ignorance is something to worry about, Palomino had trouble tagging Duran cus Duran you may hit him with the first punch but second and third forget it he's countering. Please fans analize don't hate, the boxing game is hard enough.
samadorno1975 8 months ago 4
@samadorno1975
u have to watch duran in slomo some times cause he rolls with the puches so fast it looks he hes getting hit.
ghns1133 7 months ago
my name is duran
eight7nine 8 months ago
they're talking about a knockout but Palomino wasn't getting slaughtered, he was landing some shots but he just wasn't in the same class as Duran. Still, he was a good fighter and this is a good fight.
liljoerox 9 months ago
SALVADOR SANCHEZ THE GREATEZT!!!! REZT.IN.PARADIZE CHAMP!!!
TheFUTUREZHizTORY 10 months ago
Palomino was no longer himself here.
marcxopoco 1 year ago 2
roberto duran was one of the greatest fighters of all time. his defence was second to none
antonceta1 1 year ago 10
Couple of interesting things in this fight. 1. Duran was approaching or in his prime. 2. one of the last fights the great Don Dunphy called. Historic. Remember this as if it was yesterday.
lp32862 1 year ago
@johnleemd I never said that hearns didnt fight an awesome fight against duran..i simply said.. and you and everyone knows.. that tommy couldnt take a sweet pea on the jaw before he looked like zab judah... duran stood a punchers chance against hearns..and won titles after the hearns fight.. and is one of the GREATEST OF ALL TIME...
prophetdaryl 1 year ago
@prophetdaryl
Duran stood no chance against Hearns. Hearns was just wrong for Duran. The hit man did not have a good chin but Duran was the wrong man to try and expose it.
Duran, at the end of the day, is a naturally smaller man than Hearns and a slow starter to boot.
At lightweight and welterweight, Duran was a truly great fighter, however.
BruceinFalkirk 1 year ago
@BruceinFalkirk very true, Hearns was a huge welter and Duran was a lightweigt..Styles makes fights though and as you say Hearns was soo wrong style vise.. But better to test youreself against the best and loose, not like some of today that knows that some fights aint right, and just dont want to risk it.
connymat 8 months ago
@connymat
Indeed. Interestingly I have a fight on tape between Palomino and England's Dave 'Boy' Green. Green was a mile ahead after 10 rounds of swarming Palomino and then his eye started to swell and Palomino knocked him out with a punch in round 11.
There would have been no chance of him doing that to Duran though as you're not going to deck Duran with one punch and Duran doesn't swell easily.
BruceinFalkirk 8 months ago
Look at Duran slip those punches. He had defensive skill up there with the best of them he just didn't show them off as much
stlucianrasta92 1 year ago
Amazing inside fighting.
0121zero 1 year ago
This is Duran in his prime, before he beat Leonard. Very intimidating figure. Look at his broad shoulders and chiseled physique at 147 lbs. Too bad he couldn't get his lifestyle and weight problems under control. It clearly caught up to him when he hit 30. He was pushing it when he moved above 147, because he began to look more pudgy and was fighting bigger framed, leaner, and faster men like Hagler and Hearns, who were in their primes.
matsugo24 1 year ago
for sure palomino was no slouch. very very tough kid.. duran should have called it a day after the first leonard fight..he couldn't leave the spotlight. looked at alot of your commentaries. duran would have been in the top ten for sure. carlos ortiz, a young mando ramos?,ismael laguna as contemporaries, would be nice matches.. but, barney ross, henry armstrong,ike williams,ray robinson as a welter, to name a few, would have handed both duran and leonard their head?? but tough guys for sure..
genovegas7 1 year ago
@genovegas7 Duran was always better at LW, maybe the best but I think he is revered more 4what he achieved after his prime & against the odds. His failures & triumphs, the rise & fall of his career are what a lot of people, myself included identify with. An emotional response, not a logical conclusion but personally Duran is one the GOAT, behind only Armstong & Robinson. Leonard top 20.
DrMo249 1 year ago 2
Palomino did go down but that tuff as nails mexican american fighter never touched a knee or a but on the canvass. I loved Palomino a true LA, world boxing Legend.
tellthetruthg 1 year ago
also notice it was later in his career when he started going into fights out of shape.
casasjohn2000 1 year ago
Duran was easily in anybody's top 5 list that you care to name, plain, and simple. There were 2 Duran's though. Duran Light (HUNGRY), &Duran(HEAVY), ill trained. It didn't matter if he were lightweight. or middleweight. When Duran was hungry he could scrap with Mike Tyson, but like the old adage goes in the fight game,"When a fighter ain't hungry, he gets fat". He represents up there with Ali, Fraizier, Robinson, Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, and the list goes on as a boxing immortal.
Blkserpent1 1 year ago
Palomino was past His prime here, Duran dominated Him.
BigMDS67 1 year ago
Absolute genius. The way he picks off and slips shots as he sets up his own, the way he slides to the side to find an angle, the feints, the body angling, the precise judgment of range that let him pull away from jabs and then come back over them. Closest to all round perfect blend of defence and offence boxing ever produced. Robinson may of been a better fighter since he had such incredible athleticism & power to go with his skill, but nobody was ever as deft as Duran as an all round fighter.
huthut91 1 year ago
I can answer that question Lucky
Why fight at 140 for 200,000 when you can fight
at 147 against leonard for 9.5 million over two fights.
Econ 101 lesson over
ps Duran would have kicked the shit out of any 140 who ever fought
rd062080 1 year ago
@rd062080 good answer, but knocking out Cervantes or Arguello could have meant more money for him when facing Leonard. For many years Burt Sugar and others always said that Cervantes could have beaten Duran, it would have been nice for Duran to prove him wrong. Also by busting up Arguello it would have added to his legacy and guys (like Sugar again) who continue to say Benny Leonard or Stanley Ketchel was better then Duran would have had no leg to stand on.
luckychucky7777 1 year ago
@luckychucky7777 Haa....Burt Sugar's been wrong plenty of times!! Arcel himself admitted Duran was better than B. Leonard.
spareaxe 1 year ago
It's a shame Duran never fought Alexis Arguello or Antonio Cervantes. I wonder why he bypassed the junior welterweights? Cervantes in his prime would have nice to see vs Roberto
luckychucky7777 1 year ago
Duran looks muscular in this fight. After he left 147, his body looked more soft.
matsugo24 1 year ago
@matsugo24 duran liked to eat and party.he was a great enough fighter to get away with it for several years.
reg5381 1 year ago
Duran greatest lightweight.... Period!!!
wwill999576 1 year ago
Roberto duran mostve been one of the best fighters ever
TommyGun7111 1 year ago
Duran had it all as a lightweight, a true fighting machine. Only benny leonard might beat him.
TheRichmich 2 years ago
Benny Leonard? LOL! you've been listening to Bert Sugar's bias evidently!
judaschongo 1 year ago
@judaschongo- You are lol over Benny Leonard? Remember Edwin Viruet? You must get all your info from that idiot Max( never been in a ring) Kellerman.
TheRichmich 1 year ago
what about Viruet? either of them? were they ever a threat to Duran? NO! were they ever winning at any point? NO!
are your referring to a falsely percieved threat Viruet may of posed? or a similarity in styles between Leonard & Viruet?
judaschongo 1 year ago
@judaschongo Roberto Duran was either the greatest lightweight ever or a close second. If he had one weakness it was against good boxers, Leonard was a great ring general, thats why i said he might beat him.
TheRichmich 1 year ago
not as a Lightweight pal; observe his only loss to DeJesus. Very close fight; could of literally gone either way. Roberto was coming on strong towards the latter half of the fight. Had it been a championship 15 rounder? Duran really hurts or stops him during the championship rounds(13,14,15).
judaschongo 1 year ago
if thats the case , I hope everyone realises how over rated leonard was and that is coming from alot of in the know boxing people including manny Stewerd who i had the plesure of meeting and talking boxing for 20mins and he said Hagler beat Leonerd in his oppinon , ps sorry about the spelling im guessing blank keyboard, but hagler and duran in my top 5
marv1mjkenny 2 years ago
Hagler dominated a weak middleweight division. Best win was against Hearns, who was coming up to fight. Hearns was never the best of his weight-Leonard was always better. Benitez was behind Hearns & Leornard in his weight. Duran, like Hagler dominated his weight class for years BUT stepped up & beat good fighters like Cuevas, Palomino & the great Leonard. He also beat Moore and Barkley (good fighters) & gave Hagler one of his toughest fights! Why is it hard for some not to see Durans greatness?
pedrothedog1 2 years ago
Duran was great but as for giving hagler 1 of his toughest fights ever ,I have to disagree hagler just didnt fight the way he could have, he faught a chess match but still won comfortable no matter what the judges scored it, Hagler had many ways of fighting, lots of diferent styles and sometimes he may not have chose the best but still got the job done, and yes Hagler is 1 of my top 3 fighters but so is Duran
marv1mjkenny 2 years ago
hagler fought anyone they put in front of him,definitely top 3 middle weight ever, duran #1 lightweight
DrShittyBottomHammer 2 years ago
Duran more than deserves his ranking! and also as 1 of the best in the history of the sport.
judaschongo 2 years ago
if u cant back that up with facts and a criteria by which we can judge all fighters, then it remains your opinion...and i respect that.
st762410 2 years ago
@judaschongo The best fighter in history does not quit and walk off the ring.
Trashfished 2 years ago
judge the man as a Lightweight! true the walk off was bullshit but then again look at his numerous victories. He simply quit big deal; it's not like he was knocked down or was getting dismantled? he simply got frustrated and felt he was being made fun of and quit.
judaschongo 2 years ago
@judaschongo I judge him highly as a middleweight too. He may have been the best fighter yea. If you watch the severe beating he gave Ken Buchanon. WOW! I may have to agree with you.
Trashfished 2 years ago
i will honestly say, that if duran beats benitez, ray (rematch), haggler and hearns, then, yes hes way above any of the aforementioned fighters. he'd be right there with ray robnson. heck!! if he beat at least hagler and benitez, but still lost to hearns and ray (rematch), or vice-versa, then he would be high, but not nxt 2 ray robnson. but to lose 2 the aforementioned fighters, besides first match vs ray, and still put him at #5 all time is ridiculous. thats why i dont listen 2 all the media.
st762410 2 years ago
This is Duran at his best. Palomino was a very good fighter. A very good fight.
faltagh 2 years ago
not only Duran at his best? Duran is the Best in these waters! P4P!
judaschongo 2 years ago
You people are nuts. Pac is a feather weight pretending to be a walterweight and that pussy Mayweather wants tests. Mayweather is a disease to the sport of Boxing. I am 50 and I would fight that puck right now.
MrJerryw08 2 years ago
Mayweather is a disease to boxing; just like DelaHoya before him.
judaschongo 2 years ago
benitez ducked duran all his life as boxer until he waited duran get old and lazy . duran want to fight with benitez in 147 oh 140 .
wwefan9200 2 years ago
duran ahead of hagler or leonard...youre kiddin right?? cmon now. duran was great, but not that great. he's 1-5 against the best all time greats in his era: hagler, hearns, benitez and leonard. he beat leonard once and then lost 2 leonard and the others already mentioned. he's an all time great...but not in the top 20 p4p of all time.
st762410 2 years ago
you are fogetting that Duran was a natural lightweight and he cleaned out that division when the division was full of stars,All the fighters you mentioned were above Durans natural weight especialy Hagler Duran ruled the lightweights for 7 1/2 yrs
b52gf16c 2 years ago
Precisely.
Soulblackman 2 years ago
Please, dude, Duran was super-great and is almost always included in at least the top 10 in any credible list of all-time greats, including the Bible of Boxing, Ring Magazine, which placed him No. 5, Leonard No. 9, and Hagler No. 17. "Not that great," you say? Puh-leeze...he was awesome.
Kedbuka 2 years ago
duran ahead of both hagler and leonard???? r u serious??? thats my point. duran is great. no doubt!! but to put him ahead of hagler and leonard is ridiculous!! so he cleaned out the lw division. so what?? if pac stayed at the smaller weight classes he couldve done the same thing. but he moved up after dominating them.
st762410 2 years ago
Duran also moved up in weight and won titles at welter and junior middleweight and gave Hagler fits at middleweight (without steroids, I might add). He didn't even bother with junior welterweights after leaving the lightweight class. He was super great and deserves his status at No. 5. I don't know what Pacquiao has to do with it but good thing he doesn't have Duran in front of him--Hands of Stone would've have picked him apart with relative ease, smashed his face in and ruined him.
Kedbuka 2 years ago
so he beat moore (who had 12 fights b4 fighting duran) and barkley (who was a good, not great fighter). thats enough??? noo waay! people put him up there cause the media puts him up there. but when u do your research you'll find out that he's not above hagler or leonard, and he's not in same company as ali, ray robinson, joe luis, etc...(in the p4p all time greats list). btw, do u have any proof that pac is on roids??? if not, u shouldnt be saying that. give me proof. not just your speculation.
st762410 2 years ago
I forgot that Duran beat Barkley at middleweight so he won titles in four weight classes, three of them major (light, welter, middle). He was 72-1 after beating Leonard in their 1st fight; and his win over Barkley cemented his status as an all-time great. It is YOU, friend, who needs to do his research, made obvious by questioning Duran's credentials. Watch this fight here against Palomino--he was a nightmare in there! And no, I don't have proof re: Pacquiao & steroids; but it'll come to pass.
Kedbuka 2 years ago
@Kedbuka so he won in 4 weight classes?? thats good. but guess what?? pacquiao has done it in 7 weight classes against guys much bigger than him. never done before. as 4 the roids.... floyd and his dad think he's on roids too. ....freddie roach agreed to have olympic style testing prior to mayweather fight to prove he's clean.
st762410 2 years ago
how could you compare Pacquiao's competition to that of Duran's? Pacquiao is an awesome little fighter who's proved to be the best of his generation and deserves to be considered & mentioned within the pantheon of Great Boxers. Could you honestly envision Manny defeating a Duran or Leonard? NO! that isn't even fair to Pacquiao. He should be consired among the 126-40lbs range at most. But NOT against Duran! vs a Chavez? who's static & somewhat predictable; different story though?
judaschongo 2 years ago
not just because of his final title at Middleweight over Barkley is it that his Greatness or legacy is cemented? his tenure at Lightweight is sufficient enough for Greatness to a keen observer of the sport.
judaschongo 2 years ago
What would you know about "keen" observation? You like to toot your own horn but it's for others to tell you whether you demonstrate any sort of acumen regarding the Sweet Science. And I'd say the jury's out on that question. In fact, you seem to be quite a knucklehead, one who searches out "facts" to support his own pre-drawn conclusions. Bertram Russell once said, "The problem with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt." You seem quite sure of yourself.
Kedbuka 2 years ago
"seems" but looks or perceptions can be deceiving. Pre-drawn? your correct in a sense; I have a certain opinions, just as you do I'm sure; if that's what your referring to?
Very contradictory the way in which you were or are so quick to pass judgement on Pacquiao for some alleged violation on his part.
judaschongo 2 years ago
@Kedbuka 7 months later but better late than never. I never have been that much into stats or records, But I do agree with your statement "the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent full of doubt." Smart people will second guess what they think they know all the time. Cause as soon as you think you know it all you're wrong already. Back to the sweet science Duran was a bad ass, so was SRL, Hearns and Hagler. the one common loss they all had was to SRL. Does that make him the best of that trio?
tellthetruthg 1 year ago
@tellthetruthg: Duran beat SRL in their first go-round so it's hard to say Ray's better. Plus, Duran was the one stepping up in weight--if the roles were reversed, do you think a smaller SRL could've beaten a bigger Duran? Really though, they're all hall-of-fame fighters and each of them, at their peak, would give any fighter hell from any generation. By the way, I liked your remark about Palomino. He did SoCal proud when he beat Stracey in London to bring home the world title.
Kedbuka 1 year ago
@Kedbuka the size and weight was never that much of factor between them; it was always fair. Unlike Maywether vs Marquez. Duran vs Hearns. those were 2 matches the size disparity was significant. Ray vs Donny Ladon (Spell check) he made ray look tiny in the ring. Until Ray started throwing combos Donny never faced before.But before SRL used him as a punching bag, Donny hit him like SRL never felt before a shot bigger than Hearns threw. Ray knew he had to fight his best fight or see stars
tellthetruthg 1 year ago
MOST of the fighters of the 70s would have minced-meat out of the bums of today. They're too showy, no real heart and not hungry at all. The 1970s Foreman would have KOed Holyfied and Moorer within 4 rounds.
Soulblackman 2 years ago
it doesn't take a genius to comprehend & know Duran's superiority; those are just the facts and it doesn't diminish Pacquiao in any sense. But Manny could of had a chance against other Lightweights though? and 1 for instance was Chavez. He may very well have been routed by Pacquaio.
judaschongo 2 years ago
@st762410 Yup ask yo daddy about duran, he will tell you he is very ranked, even above hagler and leonard, legend super great fighter!
lhtbuilder 2 years ago
i did. my daddy said the same thing (lol). more importantly i did the research myself. because everyone has their own opinion. but if its not based on fact, then their opinion is very biased. thats why everyone should do the research on their own. and draw their own conclusions. fair enough??
st762410 2 years ago
actually that's precisely correct! Duran is unanimously regarded as the Greatest of the 3!
judaschongo 2 years ago
listen, i respect duran. he's great. just not as great as alot of people have him. whats the criteria 4 duran 2 b among the best of all time?? can any of durans fan answer that? what: that he dominated the lw 4 about 7 yrs.?? or that he beat ray once? or that he beat ok fighters in moore and barkley at a later age 4 the title?? is that the criteria? im sorry, that criteria does not warrant duran a top 10 spot among the all time greats. that makes no sense.
st762410 2 years ago
it does to Ring Magazine # 5!
judaschongo 2 years ago
@judaschongo yes, but the media can be, and alot if times, is bias. we live in the days when the media dont just present u with information. they put twists on just about everything now. nothing is presented to the gen public without some sort of agenda behind it---whether good or bad. the media doesnt want u to think 4 yourself. they want to do the thinking 4 u. if the media can present something and then, factually, support it, than i respect that. but if not, than i wont buy it.
st762410 2 years ago
you make valid points with regards to media manipulation; but not all analysts & professional opinions or opinions in general could be deemed biased & incorrect.
judaschongo 2 years ago
i agree with u. if the media, or anyone, cause use facts to back up their information then i'll buy into it. but if its based on their view, then i wont. 4 example, alot of people have duran high on the all time greats list, but based on his career, i dont see it. so my question i ask is: "whats the criteria" that puts duran at #5 (ring mag)? duran fans dont state a criteria, they state their opinion. its not who he beat, its who he lost to that doesnt warrant him a spot that high.
st762410 2 years ago
How about best lightweight of all time? Of course it is Duran. Moore an Barkley just "good"? World champions just aren't "good". This easily puts him in the top 5. Many experts agree
honest1963 1 year ago
yes he is questionably the best lightweight ever
marv1mjkenny 2 years ago
just because the media says something doesnt mean its the law. they dont speak for me. i can speak for myself.
st762410 2 years ago
Well, well, well...it appears Manny is refusing "Olympic-style testing" in advance of the Mayweather bout. Specifically, he's refusing to provide any blood samples within 30 days of the fight, samples which could then be analyzed for a greater number of steroids and human growth hormone. Gee, I wonder why he's refusing that sort of request? Duh....
Kedbuka 2 years ago
no doubt. if manny comes out dirty, then he will lose all credibility. but lets not jump the gun just yet. so far he is willing to take the blood test, just not when floyd wants it. he's willing to take it immediately after the fight, on the same night. but floyd wants it taken before the fight. whats the diff between right after and before?? u would think that would satisfy floyd, but apparently not. floyds pushing the issue cause he knows that manny paranoid about drawing blood. its a ploy.
st762410 2 years ago
Even if Mayweather's using it as a ploy, it's a legitimate concern and the request ought to be honored. Before the fight seems to be the time to take the sample; afterwards, there's a concern Pacquiao could do something to disguise the steroid or HGH. And yes, if Pacquiao turns out dirty, no only will he lose all credibility but his shame--like Ben Johnson--will be absolute.
Kedbuka 2 years ago
if they take the test afterwards, it would be "immediately" after the fight. and im sure their would be people from floyds camp that would be there to make sure that nothing "strange" happened. I BELIEVE PACQUIAO. if pac said he didnt want to take the test AT ALL than i would have my doubts. but he's not saying that. all floyd has to do is make sure his people are with pac the whole time after the fight. thats it! but hes makin' it harder than it should be. i dont think floyd wants to fight pac.
st762410 2 years ago
look WADA testing may very well be the future; maybe 1yr or 5yrs down the line? but it isn't the here & now! So why should Pacquiao have to submit himself to a testing procedure that NO other boxer before(that's been approved by the NSAC or CSAC! e.g.), has ever been subjected to?
judaschongo 2 years ago
legitamate concern? LOL! if that's the case? then all boxing & boxers are dirty, HGH injected cyborgs! Haha!
and what if it is? so what! it's still NOT up to a certain fighter to make those testing demands. He should just join the masses, get inline and recieve his Steroid, H1N1 or whatever the fuck type of inoculation to level the playing field. LOL!
judaschongo 2 years ago
since when is it up a fighter to decide that? why is Mayweather supercedinig & usurping in areas designed for commissions? and actually he did agree to test within 24days of the bout! but Floyd still insisted on testing 3-7days prior to the fight? when in actuallity the final test in the locker room would decide the matter; and Mayweather is negated! Why in hell should Manny bend over backwards to those demands? Gee I wonder? have you even asked yourself that?
judaschongo 2 years ago
benitez beat duran.
st762410 2 years ago
damn was Duran in shape for this fight! Duran in shape at Welterweight could give any of the all time Greats a run for their money.
judaschongo 2 years ago
Benitez was joke compare to Duran, the greatest light weight
ever...
Chefguevara 2 years ago
Loved the way Roberto rolled with a punch then came back with a loaded-up counter. Great finisher.
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jamecpa10 2 years ago
why do you have to go up or down to prove your worth as a boxer. duran was a master at his trade and he IS in my top ten all time! even with his outcomes against leonard, i rate him ahead of leonard. also hagler and hearns.
anthony13331 2 years ago
not only do you rate him above Leonard, Hagler & Hearns; but most boxing experts and analysts do too.
judaschongo 2 years ago 2
i wouldnt rate duran higher then leonard id probably rate him more a less as much as hagler but i really do rate him more then hearns
koddswollop 2 years ago
Duran is probably top 5 P4P alltime. Leonard wouldnt be in the top 15. He didnt fight enough nor did he dominate a weight class for any period of time.
ExplosiveThinMan 2 years ago
Hell Ya...youre not kiddin!.... this guy wasnt afraid of anybody. He fought all who was there to fight in all divisions. Fought 5 different decades. 4 Division champion. Exciting fighter. You name it!
ASD8199 2 years ago 7
@ASD8199 5 different decades?
Hardysamnin 10 months ago
I would agree with you except I would rank Hagler even with Duran as the two best fighters of my lifetime (I was born in 1967) pound for pound. Of the fighters you mentioned (Duran, Hagler, Leonard, and Hearns), only Duran and Hagler dominated weight classes over a long period of time. Moving up, to me, is overrated; you must clean out your division. Even Henry Armstrong, a three-division champ, made 19 defenses at welterweight.
vidnut67 2 years ago
VIVA EL CHOLO DURAN, NADIE COMO EL ....
Ricky0777 2 years ago
I looked at your profile... you are 21 as I am 21! LOL
By the way... I like that mamita's behind! Soy Dominicano y mi mujer tiene un culo mas o menos parecido! If you don't understand don't worry is just me being bad!
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Harrygton 3 years ago
so am i 21 !
Manos De Piedra !
mrphilosophical 3 years ago
Roberto Duran was the best fighter(pound for pound) that has ever lived! Hearns was the only guy who really beat him... and only because he had a BAZOOKA in his right hand which when landed squarely could take out an elephant! With a slightly different strategy, Duran could have easily defeated him! Notice that he never got a rematch!
Harrygton 3 years ago 6
And why would there have been a rematch?
The whole point of a rematch..is because the first fight was exciting.
There was no excitement in the first fight.
Just duran getting knocked the fuck out.
daredevil8900 3 years ago
Most of these top guys keep fighting each other to milk the audience while they are hot. Hearns handlers were businessmen, they saw that there was no gain in exposing themselves a second time to a cautious Duran, so they went with Ray Leonard for the Money and later Marvin Hagler for the same reason...Hearns lost both, while Duran kept winning and won the World junior Middle weight
tittle. Don't get me wrong, I liked Hearns... he was exciting,but a one punch fighter is still a one punch fighter!
Harrygton 3 years ago
Understand one thing..styles make fights.
No matter how good you are..there is always someone who is better.
At 154lbs HEARNS was to fast and to powerful for DURAN.HEARNS had that long reach,fast left jab and that incredible straight right hand.And HEARNS could box as well..just ask ray leonard who had to retire,after their first fight.
daredevil8900 3 years ago
Good points, I agree with you! Except for the boxer part... he didn't need to box that much as most of the times he overwhelmed his opponents with his reach and power. He was not shaped right for dancing around the ring like Leonard, and his stamina was questionable for the same reason! An exciting, devastating puncher(the Detroit cobra)in the 154Lbs junior Middleweight division but I don't think he'll make it into the Boxing Hall of Fame any time soon! IMOP
Harrygton 3 years ago
Remember..in their 1981 bout,for the first five rounds HEARNS tried to throw bombs..but leonard was to fast.And then in the 6th round..when leonard landed that left hook to hearns body,he had to turn to the role of boxing leonard,and did a great job.So much so that,leonard had to play the role of slugger to get him.
daredevil8900 3 years ago
hearns fought leonard, lost ( premature stoppage IMO) beat Benitez and then KO'd Duran lost a shoot out with Hagler and by that time Duran really wasnt the fighter he was so why have a rematch? Duran was too small and he just couldnt get at hearns to hit him
ricardoparker93 2 years ago
@Harrygton
I wouldnt go that far. I love Duran too but DeJesus beat him as did Benitez later on. Hagler, Robbie Sims.
I think Roberto was one of the elite fighters of alltime but #1 is reserved for Ray Robinson. He earned it.
ExplosiveThinMan 1 year ago
@Harrygton Also Duran was WAY PAST HIS PRIME when he fought Hearns. I think the Duran from the welterweight days pre-Leonard would have beaten him.
Armando316 1 year ago
@Harrygton I was in your corner until you said Duran would've won the rematch. Styles make fights and Duran didn't have the style to ever whup Hearns. Maybe the rematch never happened because Duran knew that too. Too small too slow and not even Duran can take that punch again and he diidn't want to find out. You can beat me I can beat your buddy but you can't.
tellthetruthg 1 year ago
@tellthetruthg duran vs hearns i believe he stood a punchers chance against hearns.. if he touched hearns jaw... because as awesome a puncher as hearns was..he couldnt take a kleenex on the jaw... so if Roberto could hit him.. he could beat him.
prophetdaryl 1 year ago
@prophetdaryl What fight did you watch? Hearns schooled Duran so bad, it honestly looked like a dad boxing his young son. A G.o.A.T would never go out like that. Duran was great; but let's not call him GOAT material.
JohnLeeMD 1 year ago
@JohnLeeMD cough* Chinks/gooks don't watch boxing. Back to tae kwon do class and slurping noodles for you my good boy.
MidnightPaperBoy 1 year ago
@MidnightPaperBoy Sure we do. And you can go back to selling flowers by the freeway, aye friend?
JohnLeeMD 1 year ago
@JohnLeeMD What does selling flowers by a freeway have to do with this? lol dude?
MidnightPaperBoy 1 year ago
@JohnLeeMD Dolt, you are watching two Latino greats fight(1 being Mexican). Why would you even insult mexicans at this point? Your hypocrisy disgusts me.
NearlyFreeSpeech 1 year ago
for all those who had bad feelings and negative perpective about Duran´s Career...
Duran is in the Hall of Fame, Period...
Are you saying, millions of people in the world are wrong about Duran but you not?? Got to live with the hrting truth... Duran is an !!All time Leyend!!
See U....
akhree22 3 years ago
i couldn't agreee more with that comment. if Benitez beat Duran at 140 or 147 then i'd give him nothing but credit. But he never did...he waited around for him to become washed up and fought him at a weight class that he wasn't so effecient in. Benitez held 154 good and could still move...Duran actually called out Benitez at 140 and 147, but he ran off and fought palomino for a title shit and acted like that was an accomplishment.
ksjb85 3 years ago
are you kidding?
benitez was washed up before duran was.don't have any excuses for duran.he makes enough for himslef.I'm a fan, but saying benitez waited around is utterly ridiculous.
icarus2orpheus 3 years ago
washed up before Duran? Benitez fans claim he was washed up when he lost to Hamsho,Moore and whoever else whooped his ass. that was around 1983-1984. Duran wasn't the same by 1981. Benitez was supposedly at his peak around 1982 when he beat Duran. Duran at 1982, not so much..154 was not a good weight for Duran, and Benitez capitalized on this. whether he waited or not he lost to everybody else relavent anyway.
ksjb85 3 years ago
benitez's fans? hardly anybody mentions him.get your head out durans ass.he lost fair and fucking square.fucking fan boy.
icarus2orpheus 3 years ago
vos sos un estupido,decir que benitez es mas
que duran.aprende boxeo ignorante.
elmuco2006 3 years ago
bueno duran solo gano un titulo mas que benitez por categorias pera benitez lo vancio limpiamente asi que benitez es mas que duran refuta lo que quieras
yingxiaoxiao 2 years ago
loco del carajo! Benitez no tiene el palmarés que tiene Durán......El hecho que benitez le haya ganado por decisión no lo hace más grande. Durán venció a Sugar Ray quien noqueó a Benitez......Durán es el mejor latino de todos los tiempos, digas lo que digas....
efravi25 2 years ago
Si diles lo que se merecen sobrino. ademas, tambien diles que Duran perdiò el segundo encuentro contra Sugar Ray leonard, retirandose de la pelea como el propio maricon. que pena, que pena.
talovillalobos 2 years ago
noooooooo benitez no peleo con tanto desconocido antes de ser campeon ni perdio tantas veces
yingxiaoxiao 2 years ago
Benitez didn't face anywhere near the Duran like the one in the above fight. Benitez might've always beaten him at 154, he was just better at that weight, while Duran was very inconsistent outside of the Moore fight, where it'd have been interesting. At 140 and 147 though, I'd take the best Duran to beat Benitez, in fact a late stoppage over 15 wouldn't be out of bounds. IMO Palomino was Duran's best performance along with the Leonard fight above LW, and even as good as any LW of his LW fight.
Mowglieboy69 3 years ago
I agree that this performance by Duran is one of his greatest in any of his fights above lightweight. Palomino was a good fighter but Duran was in shape, motivated, and won every round by quite a bit. He was just really GREAT in this fight. It's one of my favorite fights to watch. Duran's just amazing here.
Kedbuka 2 years ago
Read the article by journalist Pete Hamill: The Greatest Street Fighter. Entirely on Roberto Duran & his 1st showdown with Leonard.
judaschongo 2 years ago
Benitez was great, Duran was great. end of story.
huthut91 3 years ago
R.O.B.E.R.T.O. D.U.R.A.N. = "Ribs Or Body Experienced Real Torture Once Doctor's Unrelenting Ringmanship Attacked Nonstop!"
Yes, If there ever were a doctor of boxing it was Duran. His ring-savvy knowledge and movements were calculating. Instead of the sundry trunks he wore in many different colors, he should have come in simply white trunks with a white robe to boot.....like a physician!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Acronym77 3 years ago
oh god. benitez got knocked down by moore and broke hes ankle, hard to make a come back when you cant stand. different fighters hit their primes at different ages, so stop using this "he was only 25" as an excuse, same thing happened to tyson. cant be bothered with all the other comments. instead of arguing about how shit this and that fighter is, why dont you just acknowledge what they have done for the sport n so forth? :)
olddirtypelican 3 years ago
and one last thing to put the nail in the coffin. Get any lightweight, ever. Now tell me which one would've have beaten leonard @ 147. Now tell me which would demolish Moore at middelweight. Now go ahead and tell me which one would come back @ 38, floor Iran Barkley and beat him. checkmate. Your problem is you listen to too many crazed Duran fans on youtube. Duran is great. not that great. i dont even have him in my top 10 but the man was a beast from 135-147 and EVERYBODY knows this. goodnight.
ksjb85 3 years ago
Tell ME which other lightweight woulda hired panama Lewis in a rematch to CHEAT for him, then when it doesnt workout, QUIT like a coward. Boy, thats some nail in the coffin you got
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
and lmao @ Benitez being spent....did DURAN look like the same Duran when he fought Hearns,Hagler and Benitez? He was 30+ fighting @ weight classes that most lightweights don't even go into against AVERAGE fighters. Yet when Benitez goes up to 160 and gets owned by tomato cans you've never heard of like matthew hilton, it's reasonable? How can you give credit to Benitez for beating a shot middleweight Duran, But not Moore for fighting a shot Middleweight Benitez? exactly...Bye.
ksjb85 3 years ago
You rite tho, benitez Wasnt spent at all, I already said I only said that to do you a favor, cuz Moore KOd the same Benitez who spent 15 long rnds kikkin durans poor ass from ringpost to ringpost. Moore was better that night with Benitez cause wilfred didnt THUMB him in the 1st like Duran had to do tho
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
and beating Leonard takes skill no matter how he fights his opponents. Benitez took an entertaining beatdown for 15 rds against him. Leonard used HIM as a tune up for Duran and didn't run around the ring at all. i wonder why Benitez didn't want to fight Duran around 1978-79 @ 140-147...hmm maybe he wanted an easier way to get his title, from Palomino, a good but not great technical boxer. Did he even win a fight after 1982?
ksjb85 3 years ago
Maybe beating leonard by one littl point does taks skill, but not as much skill as makin Duran Quit like a chikken does. Nobody knew Ray could do that
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
Duran made this fight with Palomino exciting. Did you see the Benitez/Palomino fight? Borning. Benitez fought this guy for his 147 title, and in the same year Duran fought the same man as a TUNE-UP for the Leonard fight in Montreal, which he won. Duran had called out Benitez around the same time here but his people backed out. so what does he do? wait for him to move up to Jr Middleweight and get sluggish. wise move Benitez.
ksjb85 3 years ago
Duran was a great fighter one of the legends. A street fighter at heart. Thats where he came from. Against cute fast boxers who just wanted to back pedal the whole fight he could look bad especially when he got older. It was like if you dont wanna fight me then fuck off and go ball room dancing. Comment about Sugar ray being only great fighter he beat is just wrong. He beat Buchanan a truly great fighter though he never gave him a rematch and Duran said he was the best he ever fought.
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rumblebee1975 3 years ago
past his prime lol hitman ko durans ass out cold and duran was still duran if not how come duran kod barkley?
rumblebee1975 3 years ago
Duran was never KO'd in his prime. Do you research before popping off, foo'.
Kedbuka 3 years ago
Duran began his pro career in 1968, fought over 75x, his prime was 72-78 he was knocked down twice by DeJesus(not knocked out) los the 1st by decision then knockout DeJesus twice in 74 and 78. He fought Hearns in 1984 20lbs over his natural weight, slower and older. How can you say that was his prime? It was Hearns prime. had they fought as welterweights 4yrs earlier it would have been a different story.
los005 3 years ago
So, what are you saying? If it took Hearns ONLY 2 ROUNDS TO ko Duran when Durans 32, it would take him 4 rounds to doit when hes in his prime?
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
No, what I'm saying is that had they fought as welterweights Duran would have been quicker and able to avoid getting as often as he did. He also would have been in better condition. He only fought once in 1984. His previous fight was Hagler in Sept. then Hearns in June of '84 that's 9mos. He was more active as a welterweight. I believe he would have beat Hearns as Leonard did as a welterweight.
los005 3 years ago
had they, 'If' whatever. All we got is what they DID. & to a boxing fan, what they really DID is all that matters. Duran quit. he fouled repeatedly, & he cheated. Most his biggest wins were over nobodies too
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
matter of fact, he had only ONE win over a truly great fighter. Problem is, he ruined that win his very next fight by QUITTING against him!
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
& because he quit, he dont even deserved to be mentioned in the same sentance with really great fighters like Leonard
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
Some people would agree with you, others would say that you can't dismiss his great career because of "No Mas". Others would say that the Moore then the miraculous Barkley victory proved just how great he was. He was WAY past his prime and was able to beat two very strong young champions in their prime.
los005 3 years ago
How did the Mooe fight proove anything? By thumming a virtual amature, a kid with 12 fights to his name, does that prove greatness? & Barkley got knocked down, thats all. before that Barkley was whupping Duran hands down
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
And Durans fans never get tired of choking-out excuses for him, thats for sure.If he wasnt 'way past his prime' he 'wasnt prepared' or he 'had the flu' or he ' partied too much' he 'didnt have time to train' etc, etc etc. It gets old & boring having to hear a boxing fan constantly make excuses like that, thats for sure
BoDiddley24 3 years ago
If a fighter is just going to make excuses every time he fights, he should have retired long ago, I know that
BoDiddley24 3 years ago