Really. Is she the one who got her face ripped off? If not, does she know about that incident?
Now I may not be a ape/chimp/monkey expert but I wouldn't be teaching them to start fires, drive and play games. I mean giving these monkeys the basic ideas to GTA would make me rather uncomfortable being around them.
I am so pissed that people like me can not adopt bonobo's to save them from being eaten/killed.Why are they just sitting back do something before there gone.Have lessons over there teach the people that there eating our own kind,maybe they will stop thinking there near human. I would give love,and meet all there needs with constant education.Help me help bonobo's I want to give home to a few bonobos Also I would suggest a back round check like the military gave us to make sure there in save home
How people can still not believe in evolution is beyond me. Look at wolves and dogs. Its not macro evolution but that's like saying that.."I believe 1+1 = 2 but 100+100 cannot equal 200."
@Futabuda I know I don't get why people think macro evolution is any different lol I just look at my anatomy, and study other evidence, I KNOW I am a primate, and I'm honored to be one ;)
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Yes animals are cool. Training them to make a propaganda film to sell evolution is sad however. God created man to have dominion over the animals of the earth. As you can see the the animals are attentive to this.
They are morally and emotionally superior to us. We began dimming those traits as we became more intelligent, which made us fearful of imaginary dangers and other competitive humans. But have no question, we evolved from a species very similar to Bonobo. Our ancestors were leaner however, and were also aquatic which makes sense of how we look today, mostly hairless, some people in isolated places of the world have webbed feet.
maybe aliens came down taught all this shit like the language and stuff to monkeys they died out we evolved to where we are and we are doing the same to the bonobos and when we die out they will evolve to apes like beings like us. btw im high so ya
This is amazing!!!!! They can comprehend what they are doing. And they can walk up straight. and use there thumbs and scissors I know they can do a-lot more than what they show in this video.
It must be somewhat biology, otherwise the bonobos would be writing English fluently, not just attempting lexograms. But point taken, there are obviously a lot more similarities and much more potential and than we realised.
@matthew77899 Very true, only a dumb person would assume another creature is dumb. I realise this recently when i noticed that my cat was craftily waiting til people were in different rooms, then begging them for food one by one. That way she gets fed 3 or four times. Wild animals especially are very "street wise", and u notice it if u study them closely.
@matthew77899 Very true, only a dumb person would assume another creature is dumb. I realise this recently when i noticed that my cat was craftily waiting til people were in different rooms, then begging them for food one by one. That way she got fed 3 or 4 times. Wild animals especially are very "street wise", and u notice it if u study them closely.
@clusterfuck667 i think you should go fuck yourself. are you some kind of retard or something? is it really that bad that i had a suspicion it w it was fake for a second. you know what, screw it. i cant explain something this simple to a retarded douche.
@gorgeconowitz fuckoff you sad sad cunt but before you do allow me to give you a lesson. when you are trying to abbreviate 'you are' you spell it "you're" not "your" - in future if you spell it correctly it will make you look like less of a retard, only marginally though. now, go back to mario karts and shut the fuck up. BLOCKED!
@clusterfuck667 so wow, im gesing your just sad becase your dad butfucked you wen you wer a cid. hapens al the time in brittan, im gesing. your prolly just a fat chav with a computer. also, great job on comenting on my aproval pending video, that was a smart move, and shows your not a troll at al.
@clusterfuck667 i didnt satrt it. yur te ne who got butraped to begin with, so its your falt. if you didnt get butraped by yur drunk brit dad, you wouldnt be suh a bitch starting shit all ovr the intrnet.
What gets to me, is the way some mouvements appear to be so human like. When he breaks the wood sticks with the help of his foot... man that's so close to what we'd do in that very position...
This is the cruelest thing I have seen. How dare my fellow humans do this to these anlmals. They should be left to live in their natural habitat. Watch them from a distance if you want but please let them be.
@pammyoneto And then someone asked, "If we shared a common ancestor, why did humans separate and become so different from the rest of the primates?" And the answer came: "Not every primate was given a choice in the matter." At this point, so late in the game of human deforestation and the destruction of this thing called "natural habitat", the only remaining habit is "human habitat". To understand these creatures, and advocate for them by educating humans about our similarities, is compassion.
@pammyoneto I guess that was a bit of an exaggeration, technically. In common usage, the term "natural habitat" refers to the notion that there is still some distinction between natural and artificial space, like there's still virgin wilderness insulated from the effects of human activity. From that perspective, keeping animals in their "natural" habitat, means keeping them somewhere relatively purified of human interaction. As an environmentalist, I have trouble imagining where such a place is.
@pammyoneto Sure, but if things get to a point where we have a choice between extinction and captivity primate research, like the kind depicted in this video, I would rather see the latter. We don't have the luxury of being purists anymore, and this type of primate research is positive for promoting species protection. We're in the earliest phases of global environmental collapse, which is a bigger issue for species conservation than rehabilitation. See WWF Living Planet Report Oct 24th, 2006
@pammyoneto BTW, I was replying originally to your post that this is cruel. Her researchers are anything but cruel. A more accurate term might be "worshipful"; they identify with her to the point that its hard to say if proximity to humans is anthropomorphizing the bonobos, or the other way around. That sounds extremely unfair to these researchers, who seem to obviously love the apes they work with.
Seen this twice now and it gets more amazing each time i realize something i didn't the first time.
My fav part right now is when the little baby near the end wanted picking up and just stood there with he's arm out, just like my 5 year old. Amazing speech.
Most amazing video ever. The bit where he is chipping flint to make a tool made my head almost explode. You just watched one of the ancestors of the next human like race on earth in my opinion. Learning about fire and using flint tools,he just needs to catch a spark next then we fucked. Lets just hope he doesn't learn html or we will have an internet full of monkey porn o.0
this is amazing, I never underestimate animals, And i think its kind of ignorant to consider ourselves as the most intelligent species, cos there may be a bird that looks at us and thinks we're stupid cos we haven't learnt how to fly or w/e. Animals are only measured on OUR version of intelligence, there may be lots of other stuff that they can do (and would class as intelligent) which we can not.
@sixaremycharms Yea I know their environment is under threat but wouldn't the better project be one where they (Susan and co.) are working to protect Bonobos in their own natural environment. Instead of taking them away from it and training them to play pacman - what purpose does that serve?
I'm not sure I agree with putting any kind of chimp in a human environment. I think we should only observe their behavious in the wild. Okay, let them come up to humans, but don't tell them what to do. Just let them learn. Let them explore. Yes take musical instruments and let them watch and copy if they want. But early when she had a lead on the bonobo, I don't think that's right. To me they are human.
Why don't we start selectively breeding them? (for personality domestication like we did with dogs) It seems we could come really close to creating a new "race" that we can interact with.
@copperblade it would be quicker if you bread WITH them. It happened with the Neanderthals last time, now we can do it with the Bonobo and we'll be their equivalent of the Watchers in the Bible ;)
This video is amazing but I really wonder what the researchers' end goals are. if it is simply better understanding of ourselves and nature then great, more power to them . but they seem to be borderline going too far, like they are intervening too much - which could have unintended consequences. I hope the Bonobos natural environment is not being disturbed.
Just attempting to validate evolution which is all garbage. Look who sponsors the video and that's very evident. Sorry but you're not going to sell me on the fact that we are one step away from this monkey. Training them to do tricks is like teaching dogs tricks. Are we to say that because they understand our commands, they too are human. You and your nazi friends can sell the other stupid population on that one but not myself. God's word is tried and true.
They aren't selectively breeding for intelligence, no. Kanzi isn't more intelligent inherently than other bonobos, he has just had much more education and enculturation. They are creating a sort of pan-homo society at Yerkes, though, with the more educated bonobos and humans living together.
i just hope they dont show them any tv shows or films and never show them anyone using martial arts, weaponry or any kind of strategic combat stuff what so ever, showin em ms pacman was more than enough they better not show em g.t.a the results would be tragic and irreversable
so if the bonobos are the same as humans that means we were once just apes shown some 'culture' (aka technology and techniques) by some advanced species (aliens?) sounds like somethin sitchin says. and why teach 'em what they arn't teaching 'emselves? you wanna see the planet of the apes happen for real? them apes are still more physically stronger and faster than we are, and no matter how 'peacefull' they seem if they get half as smart as we are.. theyre gonna have some serious issues with us
I think these higher primates need to start being selectively bred for intelligence. That would be awesome! Then we can draft all the smart monkeys to work in all the factories!
@joshuaborn As I understand, the experiment is about how much of human culture the non-human apes can absorb; how profound the communication can be. It's not about watching, it's about exchanging and interacting. Of course Kanzi and Panbanisha are rather "humanized", but we are "humanized", too! We are born into an unnatural habitat, an artificial world made out of culture. Should psychology study only Maugli humans? GAT is a great scientific project.
There's a song in this video at 11:49 called "One World Key", by "Uman". I'm very surprised to have personally recognized this obscure group in this video. But that voice and wind instrument are very distinguishable.
I watched this video in psychology yesterday, I am now hooked and can't stop researching these fascinating animals. What I find strangest are their hands, when their hands are close up they could easily be the hands of a hairy human!
Fallacious. Humans did not descend from anything called an ape, and apes did not descend from anything called a human. We both descended from a common ancestor.
However, to be precise about it, humans are biologically apes, along with bonobos, gibbons, gorillas, orangutans, and chimpanzees. We all descended from a common ancestor. Nobody "turned into" anything.
So your question is not one of evolution then? Could you explain yourself a little more clearly? Are you referring to allegations of witchcraft or something? Which humans were allegedly turned into apes? I don't personally know of any. "Were turned into apes" is passive voice, meaning that someone or something else did the turning. Are you asking about a claim that God did that?
Again, apes did not descend from anything called a human. "Turned into?" What else would you mean?
PhD, former professor of biosciences and a research neuroscientist. I understand evolution (and sentence composition), but apparently that's not what you're talking about.
And no, the Quran is not banned here. I've only read the first 1/3 of it though. I'm not Muslim.
If it's really important that you get your question answered, please be clear about what you're asking. Otherwise it just comes off like baiting, and I won't go there.
What amazes me most is not the video, but the responses it evokes on the observers. What do you think we're doing when we talk about "knowledge", "consciousness" and (that's the funniest of all) "scientific community"? We, humans who are discussing these issues, are organisms just like those animals we're judging, trying to talk about things we're observing and making a sense out of it. are those scientific concepts confortable to you? Congratulations then, human observers!
You see, there aren't even 'levels' of conscoiusness, but rather 'styles'. Different life froms have different styles dependent on many factors - such as there individual species biology. We need to be able to rethink consciousness and finally see it as either what defines life, or as a bi-product of life. No other definition is adequate. Where you find life you find a style of consciousness - even in plants, moulds, etc - that's what enables it to react to stimuli for one thing.
I also went to the Natural history museum in London 2 years ago. They had an expo on consciousness that stated pretty much that only humans were conscious and all other life forms exhibited the illusion of consciousness. This underpins the flawed thinking in biological sciences at the moment, which needs redressing.
Well, Joshuaborn, I kind of agree with you. However, all pets - like all people we interact with - are subject to our culture as we are theirs. The annoying thing here is watching someone 'humanise an animal', and even have them on a rope. Surely you could enjoy the same experience without an actual physical restraint - after all, the arguement runs that these creatures have cultural restraint equal to, and compatible with, our own? Plus the best pet owners EXCHANGE culture with their pets.
The leash is law in that state. Nobody with any sense whatsoever much less these scientists would ever expect to be able to STOP an adult chimpanzee with a leash, the very idea is ridiculous to begin with-- but it's required by law in that area.
this video is a disgrace to the scientific community. I can make a vid of my dog playing the Beethoven's 9th symphony by editing random notes he plays on a piano
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This girl is seeing something that just is not there. If a dog had thumbs than we could teach it to do all those activities. There is nothing special about them. She has been working with the bonobos a little to long and has clouded her judgement.
This is what makes me incredibly sad, that sapient species are being killed and eaten, worse, sapient species that are only a few genes away from us.
But seeing that how little humanity as a whole cares about morality, I would not be surprised that if, say Homo habilis suddenly lived again in this age, that some would eat them.
I understand what you are trying to say but... What I don't agree with is that you believe Humanity as a whole is at fault for what happens to animals. You think only Sapient creatures are the only things going extinct? I am not an expert in science, nor am I religious holding onto my beliefs(I'm agnostic), but even I can tell it's wrong to sit there and say, "Well, us humans are at fault for the declination of these great animals." I may be being a tad defensive(cont.)
but I hate people who group humanity as a whole just because this country or that country is doing this or that. All countries have their faults, but did you ever come to the conclusion that maybe people in Africa feel they're the easiest thing to hunt so they do it? A lot of the countries in Africa are very poor and people are starving there. Things like animals going extinct is exactly why more civilized countries have laws against hunting certain animals and set regulations on hunting others
I have every right to judge humanity as a whole. If the same things were done on humans, even the "good" ones wo forcibly castrate animals would be treated as war criminals.
That's right! You do have every right to make uninformed, foolish generalizations. And every right to act on them and make a ton of stupid mistakes too! Yay for free will!
Where I'm trying to go with this, is that you shouldn't make it sound like humans as a whole don't have any sympathy or care for animals. But it is human nature to regard the life of a human as more important than that of an animal. That will never change. Don't group everyone together, just because YOU think that humans don't treat animals properly(because if you want to not be hypocritical, you should find the survival of all species important; not just "smart ones").
Why?Because they are going to be extinct otherwise, people HUNT THEM FOR BUSHMEAT in Africa today, they are not going to stop unless there is some way for the bonobo to make its sapience appearant to the ignorant african poachers, the same with every other great ape, yes, humans are perfectly capable of murdering their closest non Homo sapiens living relatives and roasting them on a fire.
(Continue): Many religious thumpers and anthropocentrists full of themselves will probably dismiss the idea I am going to propose, but I think we should give the bonobo the ability to use verbal language using genetic and cybernetic engineering.
Magnificent creatures! I hope we humans learn to respect their habitat and their right to be wild too. These wonderful creatures are not pets and should stay in the wild where they belong. I caution researchers not to glamorize these creatures for their cuteness, intelligence or human likeness because when we overdo it, these creatures suffer the consequences. They are captured and displayed in facilities not for altruistic purposes but for gain.
I agree 100%, but I'm much less optimistic. Unless the world seizes control of Congo and declares it a global wildlife refuge, the Bonobo's future in the wild seems bleak.
The humans who live there would need to be kept fed and housed to try and keep the peace.
I would think any setting that allows a population of bonobos to naturally reproduce is good.
LOL! Homeschooled bonobos. 13:00 on learning... "the most important thing for permitting bonobos to acquire language is not to teach them. Its simply to use language around them. The driving force in language acquisition is to understand what others that are important to you are saying to you.... We want to create an
environment in which bonobos like all of the individuals with whom they are interacting." Lucky bonobos, too bad we don't care that much about the kids we send to school.
And we shall never hurt our furry ape brothers, with who we share 99 percent of our DNA.
Hurting them is like hurting your brother.
These bonobos are just like our first ancestors.
"Copycats"?"Parroting"?You MORONS, by this standart everything you do is copycat, you don't have "creativity" to create modern art in your head from birth, nor language or civil., you learn it from your parents, search for info about "wild children", those were left in the wild from early age, they lived like animals.
In fact did you know that dolphin has bigger brain than us?It has lesser brain density, but still bigger, many animals are constrained by their body plan, for example elephants are sapient too.
Sapience is not just human level intelligence, ANY being that can use introspection, logic and recognises itself in the mirror is sapient.
For example, animal mothers protect their babies, animals mourn and get angry when they see someone dead of their kind.
And animals use facial expressions, just not usually humanlike, but I can say if my dogs are sad or happy by just looking at their face, and if they see I am sad they come to me.
And while I approve of meat eating for reasons that we needs the proteins in them, people are still starving in some countries, and predation is a part of nature, sapient animals must not be hunted.
In fact religion can be called instinctual as there are genes that make people more prone to it, it is based only on emotion and faith not actual reason.How ironic; the agressive religionists who think themselves some superbeings who have nothing in common with animals share the most animal traits; agression, tribe (pack, herd) mentality (AKA Us. vs Them).
And there are people who have no concience (psychopaths), yet they function, expect for their amorality, and animals have concience.
Most animals are only SENTIENT, not SAPIENT, but it is proven that elephnts, dolphins, whales and apes are SAPIENT like us, just because their logical thinking is more primitive does mean it is not there, please don't say things "but humans have religion...", it is proven that some humans have the genes that make them prone to religion, others don't have it and are hard atheists like me who find religion totally ridiculous.
SAPIENCE = the logical part of mind, most animals use only simple logic and emotion/instinct, emotion is instinctual, instict does not mean preprogrammed like a computer, instict are this that you do without thinking about it, for example the fear reaction is instinctual, compassion is instinctual.
There is no excuse to hurt ANY harmless animals except for food because the fact that they CAN SUFFER IS IMPORTANT, not if they can make up some worthless philosophy laden with superiority complex.
As someone who has worked with people with moderate to severe mental disabilities I can say that these apes are more capable and intelligent than even some people, just because you have never met a mentally disabled human does not mean all of us are smarter than many animals.
And all animals have emotions and conceptual states, even if these are simple in say insects who flee from danger, or complex like in monkeys, every animals is SENTIENT this is different from SAPIENCE.
Bonobo's and other great apes were used in vivisection until the longitudinal experiment with washoe the chimp. We realised they have theory of mind,and therefore can recognise emotion and have there own emotions just like us but a bonobo is the only ape that can use facial expressions. There are new regulations for great apes; such as not allowed to be experimented on, they are a protected species and it is all thanks to people like susan savage-rumbaugh.
I think she's trying to point out that they HAVE intelligence and that they are closely related to us humans. She isn't saying they ARE us, but merely trying to shed light on our evolution and the reason WHY we have culture/civilisation etc.
we've taught them these basics and now we will put them on their own planet and watch them progress into philosophers. when we appear to them after many years of observation so will our masters appear to us.
However, I was rather disappointed to see how their writings were merely drawings of keys on a keyboard given to them by humans. Their "use" of fire was just a bonobo playing with a lighter as well. Still, very intelligent creatures.
Hahaha, you need to understand that YouTube is open to public, inclusive ignorant people (it's different from people with lower IQ or learning disabilities)
Learn not to take anything from ignorants seriously =D
Epic intro lol
whitewolfwithblackSP 8 hours ago
LOL THEY ARE THE SAME IQ LEVEL AS NIGGERS :D
Gichnni 1 day ago
@Gichnni o.o...wow dude, do me a favour...never reproduce..
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Really. Is she the one who got her face ripped off? If not, does she know about that incident?
Now I may not be a ape/chimp/monkey expert but I wouldn't be teaching them to start fires, drive and play games. I mean giving these monkeys the basic ideas to GTA would make me rather uncomfortable being around them.
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ThirdClassCitizen 2 days ago
the apes look like the obama family
SOVAchannel 3 weeks ago
@SOVAchannel fuk me thats bad!
MrChazz1985 4 days ago
so what you teach him a few tricks.
bezimeni2000 3 weeks ago
I am so pissed that people like me can not adopt bonobo's to save them from being eaten/killed.Why are they just sitting back do something before there gone.Have lessons over there teach the people that there eating our own kind,maybe they will stop thinking there near human. I would give love,and meet all there needs with constant education.Help me help bonobo's I want to give home to a few bonobos Also I would suggest a back round check like the military gave us to make sure there in save home
lucymarykathyrn 2 months ago 2
How people can still not believe in evolution is beyond me. Look at wolves and dogs. Its not macro evolution but that's like saying that.."I believe 1+1 = 2 but 100+100 cannot equal 200."
Futabuda 2 months ago 8
@Futabuda I know I don't get why people think macro evolution is any different lol I just look at my anatomy, and study other evidence, I KNOW I am a primate, and I'm honored to be one ;)
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Wow it's better than me at pac-man.
NJLyons27 2 months ago
Wow it's better than me at pac-man.
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Yes animals are cool. Training them to make a propaganda film to sell evolution is sad however. God created man to have dominion over the animals of the earth. As you can see the the animals are attentive to this.
campfirechat 2 months ago
@campfirechat wat
fuzzb0y 2 months ago
They are morally and emotionally superior to us. We began dimming those traits as we became more intelligent, which made us fearful of imaginary dangers and other competitive humans. But have no question, we evolved from a species very similar to Bonobo. Our ancestors were leaner however, and were also aquatic which makes sense of how we look today, mostly hairless, some people in isolated places of the world have webbed feet.
sil3nst 2 months ago
I really think it's kind of shitty to put a bmw commercial at the end of these.
hnbsniper 2 months ago
I don't care what anyone says; Mankind is not special.
zenzetra 2 months ago
I'm crying.
cnycncnycn 2 months ago
SHE IS THE VOICE OF MICKEY MOUSE
LISTEN!!!!
Bowser899 2 months ago
Wow thats amazing!
Fashion4life 2 months ago
this was a good watch
Flukeshott 3 months ago
maybe aliens came down taught all this shit like the language and stuff to monkeys they died out we evolved to where we are and we are doing the same to the bonobos and when we die out they will evolve to apes like beings like us. btw im high so ya
unholychunk 3 months ago 12
Yeah... but this is before she reportedly had two fingers bitten off by Kanzi.
MRWhiteFolksCakes 4 months ago
remember the chimpanzee on xanax that ripped off the woman's face? drug dealer flick rahke does - he sent me here
mikefiftynine 5 months ago
@mikefiftynine That was a common chimpanzee.
Not a Bonobo.
NiHuWi 3 months ago
@NiHuWi thank u
mikefiftynine 3 months ago
This is amazing!!!!! They can comprehend what they are doing. And they can walk up straight. and use there thumbs and scissors I know they can do a-lot more than what they show in this video.
nyckillaheat 5 months ago
That harmonica and piano doodling's better than half the stuff on the radio today. The Bonobos should start a band!
cleon24769 8 months ago
I've seen chimpanzees do the same things when trained by humans; I don't see the difference.
moreshige2 8 months ago
@moreshige2 They do those things trained by humans. These do by learning themselves.
gwaur 8 months ago
I call this the dawn of a new era. Let's clone bonobo apes and make em construction workers. Yes we can (J/K)
chriskypri 9 months ago 2
@chriskypri We already have Mexicans.
MindofaJedi 6 months ago
@MindofaJedi and albanians
marcus6938 5 months ago
It must be somewhat biology, otherwise the bonobos would be writing English fluently, not just attempting lexograms. But point taken, there are obviously a lot more similarities and much more potential and than we realised.
ellieban 10 months ago
Dr. Sue and Kanzi are awesome!
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@matthew77899 Very true, only a dumb person would assume another creature is dumb. I realise this recently when i noticed that my cat was craftily waiting til people were in different rooms, then begging them for food one by one. That way she gets fed 3 or four times. Wild animals especially are very "street wise", and u notice it if u study them closely.
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@matthew77899 Very true, only a dumb person would assume another creature is dumb. I realise this recently when i noticed that my cat was craftily waiting til people were in different rooms, then begging them for food one by one. That way she got fed 3 or 4 times. Wild animals especially are very "street wise", and u notice it if u study them closely.
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Shiftee88 11 months ago
i think this is fake. if not, than awesome, and amazing. but seriously.
gorgeconowitz 11 months ago
@gorgeconowitz i think you are fake. i wish you were endangered instead.
clusterfuck667 10 months ago
@clusterfuck667 i think you should go fuck yourself. are you some kind of retard or something? is it really that bad that i had a suspicion it w it was fake for a second. you know what, screw it. i cant explain something this simple to a retarded douche.
gorgeconowitz 10 months ago
@gorgeconowitz i can explain it. you're american.
clusterfuck667 10 months ago
@clusterfuck667 i can explain it. your also american, but a liberal douche.
gorgeconowitz 10 months ago
@gorgeconowitz stop playing computer games and you might have some idea of the outside world, which would be a first for an american.
clusterfuck667 10 months ago 3
@clusterfuck667 oh how cute, babbys first troll.
gorgeconowitz 10 months ago
@gorgeconowitz fuckoff you sad sad cunt but before you do allow me to give you a lesson. when you are trying to abbreviate 'you are' you spell it "you're" not "your" - in future if you spell it correctly it will make you look like less of a retard, only marginally though. now, go back to mario karts and shut the fuck up. BLOCKED!
clusterfuck667 10 months ago
@clusterfuck667 so wow, im gesing your just sad becase your dad butfucked you wen you wer a cid. hapens al the time in brittan, im gesing. your prolly just a fat chav with a computer. also, great job on comenting on my aproval pending video, that was a smart move, and shows your not a troll at al.
gorgeconowitz 10 months ago
@gorgeconowitz hey, check it out! an ape that writes (badly), starts fires and plays Pac-Man!
clusterfuck667 10 months ago
@clusterfuck667 i didnt satrt it. yur te ne who got butraped to begin with, so its your falt. if you didnt get butraped by yur drunk brit dad, you wouldnt be suh a bitch starting shit all ovr the intrnet.
gorgeconowitz 10 months ago
wenn ihr das auch für Philosophie seht.. daumen hoch (Y) :D
Mrhck 11 months ago
What gets to me, is the way some mouvements appear to be so human like. When he breaks the wood sticks with the help of his foot... man that's so close to what we'd do in that very position...
This is bringing tears to my eyes...
spriteofbones 1 year ago
HELLO MY PSYCHOLOGY CLASS!
vote this up so when we watch it in psychology we see this.
CSGProductions13 1 year ago
I think, I think, Karl Pilkington needs to hear about "monkeys" playing videogames. Someone please contact him.
KalleVarta 1 year ago
lol, its a silver top monkey. ;)
is she good at pacman?
TheJustinfernandez 1 year ago
This is the cruelest thing I have seen. How dare my fellow humans do this to these anlmals. They should be left to live in their natural habitat. Watch them from a distance if you want but please let them be.
How dare these humans do this.
pammyoneto 1 year ago
@pammyoneto And then someone asked, "If we shared a common ancestor, why did humans separate and become so different from the rest of the primates?" And the answer came: "Not every primate was given a choice in the matter." At this point, so late in the game of human deforestation and the destruction of this thing called "natural habitat", the only remaining habit is "human habitat". To understand these creatures, and advocate for them by educating humans about our similarities, is compassion.
iod3k 1 year ago
@iod3k `The only remaining habitat is human habitat` What exactly so you mean by that?
pammyoneto 1 year ago
@pammyoneto I guess that was a bit of an exaggeration, technically. In common usage, the term "natural habitat" refers to the notion that there is still some distinction between natural and artificial space, like there's still virgin wilderness insulated from the effects of human activity. From that perspective, keeping animals in their "natural" habitat, means keeping them somewhere relatively purified of human interaction. As an environmentalist, I have trouble imagining where such a place is.
iod3k 1 year ago
@iod3k As a environmentalist I would have thought you would be all for protecting natural habitation.
pammyoneto 1 year ago
@pammyoneto Sure, but if things get to a point where we have a choice between extinction and captivity primate research, like the kind depicted in this video, I would rather see the latter. We don't have the luxury of being purists anymore, and this type of primate research is positive for promoting species protection. We're in the earliest phases of global environmental collapse, which is a bigger issue for species conservation than rehabilitation. See WWF Living Planet Report Oct 24th, 2006
iod3k 1 year ago
@pammyoneto BTW, I was replying originally to your post that this is cruel. Her researchers are anything but cruel. A more accurate term might be "worshipful"; they identify with her to the point that its hard to say if proximity to humans is anthropomorphizing the bonobos, or the other way around. That sounds extremely unfair to these researchers, who seem to obviously love the apes they work with.
iod3k 1 year ago
@iod3k I do not doubt that the researchers care for these animals.
pammyoneto 1 year ago
Seen this twice now and it gets more amazing each time i realize something i didn't the first time.
My fav part right now is when the little baby near the end wanted picking up and just stood there with he's arm out, just like my 5 year old. Amazing speech.
DreamsCatcher101 1 year ago
Most amazing video ever. The bit where he is chipping flint to make a tool made my head almost explode. You just watched one of the ancestors of the next human like race on earth in my opinion. Learning about fire and using flint tools,he just needs to catch a spark next then we fucked. Lets just hope he doesn't learn html or we will have an internet full of monkey porn o.0
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lakmalifarsan 1 year ago
this is amazing, I never underestimate animals, And i think its kind of ignorant to consider ourselves as the most intelligent species, cos there may be a bird that looks at us and thinks we're stupid cos we haven't learnt how to fly or w/e. Animals are only measured on OUR version of intelligence, there may be lots of other stuff that they can do (and would class as intelligent) which we can not.
9t5Gina2k7 1 year ago
@sixaremycharms Yea I know their environment is under threat but wouldn't the better project be one where they (Susan and co.) are working to protect Bonobos in their own natural environment. Instead of taking them away from it and training them to play pacman - what purpose does that serve?
CamronJohn 1 year ago
I'm not sure I agree with putting any kind of chimp in a human environment. I think we should only observe their behavious in the wild. Okay, let them come up to humans, but don't tell them what to do. Just let them learn. Let them explore. Yes take musical instruments and let them watch and copy if they want. But early when she had a lead on the bonobo, I don't think that's right. To me they are human.
Jenmp3 1 year ago
this is so fucking amazing!
AndreLeCoz 1 year ago
Why don't we start selectively breeding them? (for personality domestication like we did with dogs) It seems we could come really close to creating a new "race" that we can interact with.
copperblade 1 year ago
@copperblade it would be quicker if you bread WITH them. It happened with the Neanderthals last time, now we can do it with the Bonobo and we'll be their equivalent of the Watchers in the Bible ;)
ClearYoga 1 year ago
@copperblade Ethical considerations.
greylights888 1 year ago
This video is amazing but I really wonder what the researchers' end goals are. if it is simply better understanding of ourselves and nature then great, more power to them . but they seem to be borderline going too far, like they are intervening too much - which could have unintended consequences. I hope the Bonobos natural environment is not being disturbed.
CamronJohn 1 year ago
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Just attempting to validate evolution which is all garbage. Look who sponsors the video and that's very evident. Sorry but you're not going to sell me on the fact that we are one step away from this monkey. Training them to do tricks is like teaching dogs tricks. Are we to say that because they understand our commands, they too are human. You and your nazi friends can sell the other stupid population on that one but not myself. God's word is tried and true.
BFResearchSE 1 year ago
@BFResearchSE Right..
alebed 1 year ago
amazingly extraordinary, specially the pacman part hahaha the face is priceless.
arevsteffen 1 year ago 2
Are they selective breeding the more intelligent bonobos in captivity?
shorty962 1 year ago
@shorty962
They aren't selectively breeding for intelligence, no. Kanzi isn't more intelligent inherently than other bonobos, he has just had much more education and enculturation. They are creating a sort of pan-homo society at Yerkes, though, with the more educated bonobos and humans living together.
reverons 1 year ago 3
One of the best TED talks, hands down.
mapscannotcontainme 1 year ago 14
i just hope they dont show them any tv shows or films and never show them anyone using martial arts, weaponry or any kind of strategic combat stuff what so ever, showin em ms pacman was more than enough they better not show em g.t.a the results would be tragic and irreversable
WallKenshiro 1 year ago
so if the bonobos are the same as humans that means we were once just apes shown some 'culture' (aka technology and techniques) by some advanced species (aliens?) sounds like somethin sitchin says. and why teach 'em what they arn't teaching 'emselves? you wanna see the planet of the apes happen for real? them apes are still more physically stronger and faster than we are, and no matter how 'peacefull' they seem if they get half as smart as we are.. theyre gonna have some serious issues with us
WallKenshiro 1 year ago
WOW!!!!!!! speechless really. xxxxxxx
sexua1choco1ate 1 year ago
The most inspiring part of this entire presentation is that the bonobo has curiosity.
1ProbablyHateYou 1 year ago 3
This is the most incredible thing I have ever seen.
siofsi 1 year ago
I think these higher primates need to start being selectively bred for intelligence. That would be awesome! Then we can draft all the smart monkeys to work in all the factories!
DeraJa 1 year ago
@DeraJa - er, ever heard of racism and slavery? :p But I know you're just joking... right?
MrDickensRob 1 year ago
YAY
DeraJa 1 year ago
@joshuaborn As I understand, the experiment is about how much of human culture the non-human apes can absorb; how profound the communication can be. It's not about watching, it's about exchanging and interacting. Of course Kanzi and Panbanisha are rather "humanized", but we are "humanized", too! We are born into an unnatural habitat, an artificial world made out of culture. Should psychology study only Maugli humans? GAT is a great scientific project.
neithere 1 year ago
arsonist monkey on the lose
acidtehk23 1 year ago
that first ape looks like he can tear you to pieces in about ten seconds. his biceps were thicker than my head.
thevandy24 1 year ago
very interesting! may not be the best environments for them, but they seem to have a sense of understanding.
itwontbelongyayaya1 1 year ago
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I dont really know about the wrighting, its looks random, but if its true then its pretty cool
ovejocke 1 year ago
"I dont really know about the wrighting"
I don't really know about your writing dude.
DerelictWrath 1 year ago 27
Primatology is amazing.
snothammer 1 year ago
This is wonderful, its like a glimpse of the past :D
kardentyrell 2 years ago
There's a song in this video at 11:49 called "One World Key", by "Uman". I'm very surprised to have personally recognized this obscure group in this video. But that voice and wind instrument are very distinguishable.
Audity31 2 years ago
All I can think of now is the monolith telling them to hit things with sticks.
GnarlyCranium 2 years ago
Once they learn to use the internet its the matrix all over again, but with apes instead of machines.
anothermassacration 2 years ago
@anothermassacration Nah... it's "Planet of the Apes"... err... Bonobos.
jaywolfe82 2 years ago
I watched this video in psychology yesterday, I am now hooked and can't stop researching these fascinating animals. What I find strangest are their hands, when their hands are close up they could easily be the hands of a hairy human!
AbsolutelyCrackers 2 years ago
What of the claim that humans were turned into apes?
I only clicked on this tube for apes writing... what's with the fancy clip??
faro0485 2 years ago
Fallacious. Humans did not descend from anything called an ape, and apes did not descend from anything called a human. We both descended from a common ancestor.
However, to be precise about it, humans are biologically apes, along with bonobos, gibbons, gorillas, orangutans, and chimpanzees. We all descended from a common ancestor. Nobody "turned into" anything.
dcs002 2 years ago 4
I said "what of the claim that humans were turned into apes"
Do you know anything about such a claim? I don't expect you would.
faro0485 2 years ago
So your question is not one of evolution then? Could you explain yourself a little more clearly? Are you referring to allegations of witchcraft or something? Which humans were allegedly turned into apes? I don't personally know of any. "Were turned into apes" is passive voice, meaning that someone or something else did the turning. Are you asking about a claim that God did that?
Again, apes did not descend from anything called a human. "Turned into?" What else would you mean?
dcs002 2 years ago
You're one smart man. In fact you almost sound like me. Is the quran banned in your region of the world?
faro0485 2 years ago
PhD, former professor of biosciences and a research neuroscientist. I understand evolution (and sentence composition), but apparently that's not what you're talking about.
And no, the Quran is not banned here. I've only read the first 1/3 of it though. I'm not Muslim.
If it's really important that you get your question answered, please be clear about what you're asking. Otherwise it just comes off like baiting, and I won't go there.
dcs002 2 years ago
So I take it that you know a little bit about Oliver Curry's thoughts?
watch?v=IhptKiANDeo
faro0485 2 years ago
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Pembepanter44 2 years ago
wow, this is actually really fascinating. they are such amazing creatures :)
3loveiseverything 2 years ago 4
kanzi is totally amazing every time i see him doing things it just blows my mind !!
ta2joe13 2 years ago 4
What amazes me most is not the video, but the responses it evokes on the observers. What do you think we're doing when we talk about "knowledge", "consciousness" and (that's the funniest of all) "scientific community"? We, humans who are discussing these issues, are organisms just like those animals we're judging, trying to talk about things we're observing and making a sense out of it. are those scientific concepts confortable to you? Congratulations then, human observers!
BTVIANNA 2 years ago 8
where the hell did that come from?
sanandreas818 2 years ago
You see, there aren't even 'levels' of conscoiusness, but rather 'styles'. Different life froms have different styles dependent on many factors - such as there individual species biology. We need to be able to rethink consciousness and finally see it as either what defines life, or as a bi-product of life. No other definition is adequate. Where you find life you find a style of consciousness - even in plants, moulds, etc - that's what enables it to react to stimuli for one thing.
gotaskor 2 years ago 2
I also went to the Natural history museum in London 2 years ago. They had an expo on consciousness that stated pretty much that only humans were conscious and all other life forms exhibited the illusion of consciousness. This underpins the flawed thinking in biological sciences at the moment, which needs redressing.
gotaskor 2 years ago 3
Well, Joshuaborn, I kind of agree with you. However, all pets - like all people we interact with - are subject to our culture as we are theirs. The annoying thing here is watching someone 'humanise an animal', and even have them on a rope. Surely you could enjoy the same experience without an actual physical restraint - after all, the arguement runs that these creatures have cultural restraint equal to, and compatible with, our own? Plus the best pet owners EXCHANGE culture with their pets.
gotaskor 2 years ago
The leash is law in that state. Nobody with any sense whatsoever much less these scientists would ever expect to be able to STOP an adult chimpanzee with a leash, the very idea is ridiculous to begin with-- but it's required by law in that area.
GnarlyCranium 2 years ago
this video is a disgrace to the scientific community. I can make a vid of my dog playing the Beethoven's 9th symphony by editing random notes he plays on a piano
ehsaaaan 2 years ago
Kinda spooky, and scary too.
tahirphysio 2 years ago
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This girl is seeing something that just is not there. If a dog had thumbs than we could teach it to do all those activities. There is nothing special about them. She has been working with the bonobos a little to long and has clouded her judgement.
football2themax 2 years ago
This film is set about 10 years before the events in the final film of the original Planet of the Apes series.
pilgrimomega 2 years ago 3
This is what makes me incredibly sad, that sapient species are being killed and eaten, worse, sapient species that are only a few genes away from us.
But seeing that how little humanity as a whole cares about morality, I would not be surprised that if, say Homo habilis suddenly lived again in this age, that some would eat them.
MrHal90000 2 years ago 3
I understand what you are trying to say but... What I don't agree with is that you believe Humanity as a whole is at fault for what happens to animals. You think only Sapient creatures are the only things going extinct? I am not an expert in science, nor am I religious holding onto my beliefs(I'm agnostic), but even I can tell it's wrong to sit there and say, "Well, us humans are at fault for the declination of these great animals." I may be being a tad defensive(cont.)
mint1k 2 years ago
but I hate people who group humanity as a whole just because this country or that country is doing this or that. All countries have their faults, but did you ever come to the conclusion that maybe people in Africa feel they're the easiest thing to hunt so they do it? A lot of the countries in Africa are very poor and people are starving there. Things like animals going extinct is exactly why more civilized countries have laws against hunting certain animals and set regulations on hunting others
mint1k 2 years ago
I have every right to judge humanity as a whole. If the same things were done on humans, even the "good" ones wo forcibly castrate animals would be treated as war criminals.
MrHal90000 2 years ago
You're not very smart are you? You respond to all of my posts with this retarded post? You're hopeless.
mint1k 2 years ago
That's right! You do have every right to make uninformed, foolish generalizations. And every right to act on them and make a ton of stupid mistakes too! Yay for free will!
bentothetenthpower 2 years ago
Where I'm trying to go with this, is that you shouldn't make it sound like humans as a whole don't have any sympathy or care for animals. But it is human nature to regard the life of a human as more important than that of an animal. That will never change. Don't group everyone together, just because YOU think that humans don't treat animals properly(because if you want to not be hypocritical, you should find the survival of all species important; not just "smart ones").
mint1k 2 years ago 3
I Agree with U 100%.
zendersn 2 years ago
Morality < Tastiness
freewayxx 2 years ago
freewayxx: Tell that to a future "superior" lifeform that will find Homo sapiens sapiens tasty.
MrHal90000 2 years ago
Or to a human cannibal.
MrHal90000 2 years ago
Why?Because they are going to be extinct otherwise, people HUNT THEM FOR BUSHMEAT in Africa today, they are not going to stop unless there is some way for the bonobo to make its sapience appearant to the ignorant african poachers, the same with every other great ape, yes, humans are perfectly capable of murdering their closest non Homo sapiens living relatives and roasting them on a fire.
MrHal90000 2 years ago
(Continue): Many religious thumpers and anthropocentrists full of themselves will probably dismiss the idea I am going to propose, but I think we should give the bonobo the ability to use verbal language using genetic and cybernetic engineering.
MrHal90000 2 years ago
Magnificent creatures! I hope we humans learn to respect their habitat and their right to be wild too. These wonderful creatures are not pets and should stay in the wild where they belong. I caution researchers not to glamorize these creatures for their cuteness, intelligence or human likeness because when we overdo it, these creatures suffer the consequences. They are captured and displayed in facilities not for altruistic purposes but for gain.
victube0418 2 years ago 3
I agree 100%, but I'm much less optimistic. Unless the world seizes control of Congo and declares it a global wildlife refuge, the Bonobo's future in the wild seems bleak.
The humans who live there would need to be kept fed and housed to try and keep the peace.
I would think any setting that allows a population of bonobos to naturally reproduce is good.
ThePipersNicks 2 years ago
LOL! Homeschooled bonobos. 13:00 on learning... "the most important thing for permitting bonobos to acquire language is not to teach them. Its simply to use language around them. The driving force in language acquisition is to understand what others that are important to you are saying to you.... We want to create an
environment in which bonobos like all of the individuals with whom they are interacting." Lucky bonobos, too bad we don't care that much about the kids we send to school.
givebirthathome 2 years ago 2
And we shall never hurt our furry ape brothers, with who we share 99 percent of our DNA.
Hurting them is like hurting your brother.
These bonobos are just like our first ancestors.
"Copycats"?"Parroting"?You MORONS, by this standart everything you do is copycat, you don't have "creativity" to create modern art in your head from birth, nor language or civil., you learn it from your parents, search for info about "wild children", those were left in the wild from early age, they lived like animals.
MrHal90000 2 years ago 4
In fact did you know that dolphin has bigger brain than us?It has lesser brain density, but still bigger, many animals are constrained by their body plan, for example elephants are sapient too.
Sapience is not just human level intelligence, ANY being that can use introspection, logic and recognises itself in the mirror is sapient.
MrHal90000 2 years ago 2
For example, animal mothers protect their babies, animals mourn and get angry when they see someone dead of their kind.
And animals use facial expressions, just not usually humanlike, but I can say if my dogs are sad or happy by just looking at their face, and if they see I am sad they come to me.
And while I approve of meat eating for reasons that we needs the proteins in them, people are still starving in some countries, and predation is a part of nature, sapient animals must not be hunted.
MrHal90000 2 years ago 2
In fact religion can be called instinctual as there are genes that make people more prone to it, it is based only on emotion and faith not actual reason.How ironic; the agressive religionists who think themselves some superbeings who have nothing in common with animals share the most animal traits; agression, tribe (pack, herd) mentality (AKA Us. vs Them).
And there are people who have no concience (psychopaths), yet they function, expect for their amorality, and animals have concience.
MrHal90000 2 years ago
Most animals are only SENTIENT, not SAPIENT, but it is proven that elephnts, dolphins, whales and apes are SAPIENT like us, just because their logical thinking is more primitive does mean it is not there, please don't say things "but humans have religion...", it is proven that some humans have the genes that make them prone to religion, others don't have it and are hard atheists like me who find religion totally ridiculous.
MrHal90000 2 years ago
SAPIENCE = the logical part of mind, most animals use only simple logic and emotion/instinct, emotion is instinctual, instict does not mean preprogrammed like a computer, instict are this that you do without thinking about it, for example the fear reaction is instinctual, compassion is instinctual.
There is no excuse to hurt ANY harmless animals except for food because the fact that they CAN SUFFER IS IMPORTANT, not if they can make up some worthless philosophy laden with superiority complex.
MrHal90000 2 years ago
As someone who has worked with people with moderate to severe mental disabilities I can say that these apes are more capable and intelligent than even some people, just because you have never met a mentally disabled human does not mean all of us are smarter than many animals.
And all animals have emotions and conceptual states, even if these are simple in say insects who flee from danger, or complex like in monkeys, every animals is SENTIENT this is different from SAPIENCE.
MrHal90000 2 years ago
She's good!!! 10/10
LUCIDity2009 2 years ago
I don't know how I feel about an ape other then a human learning about fire...
gopherdude 2 years ago
Dr. Sue is a wonderful caring person as well as a great Dr. in her field of work.
lucymarykathyrn 2 years ago 2
Oh my god... These little guys are amazing. I would kill to meet a bonobo in person.
Pralbpralbpralb 2 years ago 2
Bonobo's and other great apes were used in vivisection until the longitudinal experiment with washoe the chimp. We realised they have theory of mind,and therefore can recognise emotion and have there own emotions just like us but a bonobo is the only ape that can use facial expressions. There are new regulations for great apes; such as not allowed to be experimented on, they are a protected species and it is all thanks to people like susan savage-rumbaugh.
its awesome and it amazes me.
Sparkus22334 2 years ago 9
@Sparkus22334 most primates use facial expression actually, the ones with hair on their faces dont.
9t5Gina2k7 1 year ago
This is amazing.
These dudes need to be protected. I'd hate to see them become show animals on TV or worse - humanities evolutionary slave.
tillo2008 2 years ago 3
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while i agree that bonobos are amazing
this lady is retarded
they ARE smart, but about as smart as a human kid
you wouldnt give a kid a lighter, or encourage it to light shit,
this lady does, and in a forrest to boot!
what a fucking idiot
hellojayo 2 years ago
I think she's trying to point out that they HAVE intelligence and that they are closely related to us humans. She isn't saying they ARE us, but merely trying to shed light on our evolution and the reason WHY we have culture/civilisation etc.
WillSKB88 2 years ago 5
we should really take care of those little ones. How much more human like do you need to be before you are entitled to any rights....
mattyabsley 2 years ago 3
That's interesting, we wouldn't take a 2 year old's rights away would we...
WillSKB88 2 years ago 2
they are better at pacman then i am :')
xfreya 2 years ago 3
this is incredible. i would be so happy if when i was out of college i could do ape research
kidmay124 2 years ago 2
He was brilliant at Pacman. Incredible.
Dutchdrummer99 3 years ago
Watch THIS creationists!
kennebacasiskyle 3 years ago 13
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You are gonna burn.
Frostybeek 3 years ago
@kennebacasiskyle took the words right out of my mouth =D
kardentyrell 2 years ago
they should give the monkey star control 2, that was an awesome game
emulator900 3 years ago 3
Wow, that was pretty awesome.
dreamdewil 3 years ago 3
we've taught them these basics and now we will put them on their own planet and watch them progress into philosophers. when we appear to them after many years of observation so will our masters appear to us.
jayslavick 3 years ago
Wow, bonobos are very intelligent!
However, I was rather disappointed to see how their writings were merely drawings of keys on a keyboard given to them by humans. Their "use" of fire was just a bonobo playing with a lighter as well. Still, very intelligent creatures.
gunpei 3 years ago
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I really don't know how much of it to believe. these "researchers" get their bread and butter by putting on a show.
gonzee 3 years ago
Wow, you got thumbed down for expressing an opinion.
What kind of place is this that people who express reasonable doubts get shunned and denounced? Oh wait, it's called Youtube.
SonicWings 3 years ago 4
Hahaha, you need to understand that YouTube is open to public, inclusive ignorant people (it's different from people with lower IQ or learning disabilities)
Learn not to take anything from ignorants seriously =D
SaburoOkita 3 years ago 3
those thumbs downs are also expression of their thoughts.
sibelyil 3 years ago 2
Good point.
All you crazy sobs get a thumbs down... there I have expressed myself.
Frostybeek 3 years ago
:) fair enough
sibelyil 3 years ago
It's ok... I'll be there as well... the more the marrier.
Frostybeek 3 years ago