taekwondo 1957

[TraditionalTKD]

If you listen closely to the announcer, he says "Tae Kwon Do Chung Do Kwan".

[tshk5271221]

It says, Dang Soo Do, not Tae Kwon Do. Back then, Koreans did not use the word, Taekwondo. I'm a Korean by the way.

[papaiosif]

sweet hands ups as it is supposed to be. old fashioned but more realistic. original TKD. before politcs were involved and federation started to argue ...

[whitedragonawa]

That is so awesome how they are throwing strikes with the hands to the head! I wish Taekwondo would change its rules and be more realistic.

[ZEN824]

@whitedragonawa punching to the head might be too violent. Why not change the rule allowing to throw low kicks that might works. So if there's low kicks, it's quite easy to take on a fast kicker just by simply do low kicks to his legs. And another thing is the vest. when it's no vest it's going to be more realistic. when you put on the vest, every blow on full force is just like an ant hitting you.

[10chankc2]

@ZEN824 That would be more realistic but then it would be exactly the same as kyokushin karate. To keep it looking like tkd the koshiki karate rules are better: Supersafe helmet and chest protectors with face punching, sweeps and a bit of grappling but no leg kicks.

[Raitsogen]

@whitedragonawa try itf. they punch to the face

[katotheother]

@Raitsogen

[katotheother]

@Raitsogen We punch to the face, too (we're just not supposed to.) ;-) How best to explain "what" I am. Er. "Pre-Kukkiwon, non-WTF, Ji Di Kwon."

(In case you were wondering, or care. I recall you once telling me you did Moo Duk Kwon and I don't believe I ever told you my own background.)

[KoreanKidSteve]

dude this is badass

[siwon333]

태권도의 전신 당수도 수박도 수박...

[katotheother]

Woops. Didn't intend to give you the thumbs down. That was an error. Since I don't read Hangul, I can't judge what you said anyway. Sorry about that.

[efsq]

this looks like karate

[ipoful]

@efsq :

efectivamente, antes el taekwondo era exactamente igual que el karate; choi hon hi era 4o dan en karate

[katotheother]

Well, yeah.

[melonbarmonster]

It says it's Tangsoodo in the beginning, not TKD. Tangsoodo is korean version of karate.

[katotheother]

In the beginning, TKD was basically Shotokan, then spinning and hopping kicks were added over the years to more closely resemble ancient Korean arts like Taekyon and Subak. "Tang Soo Do" means "China Hand Way," and "Kong Soo Do" means "empty hand way." The various Kwans (schools) of martial arts adopted the name Tae Kwon Do at the suggestion of Gen Choi (as you probably know) Moo Do Kwan, as you also probably know, still calls itself Tang Soo Do.

[melonbarmonster]

Karate, TKD were and are all constructions that have never existed in neat systems. Back in 1950 karate didn't look the way it does now and "tkd" was just a moniker that didn't apply to any system. Regardless of what you call it, koreans were spinning and hopping kicks long before karate, tkd were formed.

[MadMonk108]

The Mudeokgwan practices Subakdo, not Dangsudo. It changed its art decades ago.

[katotheother]

Didn't know about that. But, under WTF poomse rules (if you care about that) there are three major categories of poomse: WTF, ITF, and Tangsoodo/Mudokwan, which is where I got my info on that. I like the Taekyon clips on your page. Cool stuff.

[katotheother]

Correction: Under the AAU Taekwondo rules, there are the three major categories of poomse.

[Raitsogen]

@katotheother you mean moo duk kwan?

[katotheother]

@Raitsogen Yes. Sorry about the misspelling.

[Raitsogen]

@katotheother i do moo duk kwan :D

[melonbarmonster]

@katotheother LOL Tangsoodo is transliteration of karate in Korean. It's karate and it's still practiced in Korea now. TKD is an amalgamation of MA' schools, including karate, that were united at the order of Park Chunghee into a unified MA in the 50's for ROK military use. Koreans have been kicking and practicing MA's long before the Japanese even knew about karate. You might want to calm down with your overblown claims.

[katotheother]

@melonbarmonster . What overblown claims? Karate, as you likely know, can mean "empty hand way" or "China hand way" depending upon the Japanese character used for "kara." That same duality exists in the Korean language. "Tang Soo Do" transliterates, if you insist, from the "China Hand Way" interpretation (T'ang Dynasty=China), and "Kong Soo Do" for "Empty Hand Way." What did I say that conflicts with anything you said? And, btw, I'll calm down when I'm tired.

[melonbarmonster]

@katotheother There is no duality anything. LOL. Tangsoodo means way of Chinese hand and that's it. Kongsoodo is empty hand. It's one thing to just not know but it's another to argue with me when I know the language and I correct you on linguistic fact. Karate was called 唐手 by Ryukaans. It was always called 'karate' to mean Chinese hand. It was switched to "empty hand", 空手, only in 1932 by Japanese nationalist racist freaks who wanted to hide Chinese origins of karate.

[melonbarmonster]

@melonbarmonster The nationalists also believed they were a divine superior race destined to conquer the world and kill and enslave as much of the planet as they possibly could with the help of their German Nazi and Italian Fascist allies. Believe who you will.

[melonbarmonster]

TKD was never Shotokan karete. That's a rumor stemming from General Choi having learned Shotokan in Japan during WWII. TKD was created by combining a dozen MA schools in Korea including Chinese MA's and indigenous Korean MA's. The Shotokan school actually defected from the unification under TKD and maintained their own schools which is why Tangsoodo still exists in Korea. The rift between General Choi and the Tangsoodo crowd is well documented.

[katotheother]

@melonbarmonster Well played, Mr, Melonbarmaster, IF that's your real name. But, seriously, I don't see that what you said is anything but a clarification - not a correction - of what I said. Yes you have a more intimate knowledge and facts at your command, but I still don't see that they've done anything but provide more detail to what I said, rather than a refutation. I think it may be the term Shotokan that's causing the problem. If I just said "karate" would that help?

[katotheother]

@melonbarmonster - Monster, I mean. 

[katotheother]

I thouht it was Funakoshi used "empty-hand way" in order to popularize karate (Shotokan, in his case) on the Japanese mainland. I don't know Funakoshi's political beliefs, and I'm not saying he originated the idea of using the "empty-hand," (my explanation of which differs from yours only in that you provide the Japanese characters to illustrate what I said about the dual interpretations of "kara." Thank you for showing what I meant) You can skip the LOL's. We get it. You're quite smart.

[katotheother]

@melonbarmonster As far as Japanese Nationalism is concerned, that is WHY TKD started as karate (karate-do, actually, before you "correct" me). Indigenous Koran MAs, along with the rest of Korean culture during the Japanese occupation, was repressed, causing knowledge of many Korean martial arts to largely die out. But I'm tired, so I shall "calm down" now.