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  • I do not think Ireland was ready for a politician with Martin's past to be Head of State. I am originally from the west of Ireland and have never turned my nose up to people from Northern Ireland. It is unfair to generalise. Maybe some do but I certainly do not. I live and work in West Yorkshire and love it. I came here as I found it difficult to find a job that I was qualified for in Ireland and I left. it is sad to read such bickering! It will get us nowhere!!!

  • I always see the six counties as about as British as Algeria is French.

    It's a shame we didn't have a UK leader like De Gaulle and got shot of the place decades ago.

    I suspect the reason they didn't is that Protestants would have planted bigger and more efficient bombs in English pubs than the PIRA.

  • free state scum make me sick 90 years ago was a different story

  • @djleesus09 stfu bitch....boring.....

  • he joined the IRA because you are an asshole and ryan tubridy cant justify himself amongst the local population.

    :)

  • More northern irish catholics go to universities in Britain than in the republic of ireland (i did myself). We have more in common with others in the UK (shared culture) than those in the republic of ireland.

    Martin should never have set foot in the republic of ireland. It isn't his business down there so i can understand the people down there being pissed off that he has intruded into their affairs. He knows nothing about their politics (Gerry Adams too should be back home).

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  • tiocfaidh ar la .the so called failed campaign brought ye fuckers to table.a brave man who put his life on line for us

  • @MrTaximan1234 The brits were already at the table with the SDLP to negotiate an internal solution. Eventually the IRA gave up and decided to join them.

  • @MrTaximan1234 are you really that stupid?

  • what a man .devoted his life for ireland.

  • @MrTaximan1234 Yeah devoted his life to a failed IRA campaign which killed thousands of people. At least he got cross-border bodies eh!

  • I wish he had been asked why 6 hunger strikers were allowed to die after the British deal, which the IRA inside the H Blocks had accepted, to end the protest was rejected.

    Or the continued grief of the families of the disappeared who were executed and buried in the forests of Louth.

  • How much does McGuinness get paid from the British government for administering British rule in Ireland?

  • @RonainMacCathain The average industrial wage and he is only administering this rule to eventually achieve irish reunification and freedom.

  • @chriscolferrocks The average industrial wage makes it ok? He is working for the British government. He even welcomed the Tories taking part in elections in the north. He campaigned for Derry to be labelled UK city of culture. Now he has advocated Sinn Féin handing out awards to members of the British army. He regularly calls for people to pass information on Republicans to the crown forces. He is a quisling.

  • @slothgoonies This cunt and all of his kind should have been killed years ago. He is a lying, deceitful murdering bastard that doesnt fool me.

  • how can any1 like this dirty bastard he the 1 that started bloody sunday mguiness dont 4 get there will be no utd ireland and plus the brittish will rule u when u went to the republic they didt even want u because ur a murderer u dirty low life scumbag .

  • @bosshog21ful how the fuck did martin start bloody sunday it was murdering British soldiers who killed fourteen men and wounded fourteen others and you're sadly mistaken about a united Ireland in the next 25 years I guaranty there will be a United Ireland led by Sinn Féin.

    Sinn Féin Abú.

    Beidh Ár Lá Linn.

  • Why should Loyalists take a boat anywhere , they were born in Ulster , its their country ...Norn Iron , the land of the Red Hand. Loyalist have no attachment to gaelic football , hurling or the Irish language , its not their culture or tradition. There is nothing wrong with that culture , its a fabulous culture , as much as the French or German culture is great.

  • Nice to see he dressed up for the occasion

  • Hmmm .... Martin McGuiness accusing others of being "cruel and brutal".

  • I feel no shame for anything the IRA has done or will do concerning the arm struggle but the path can be peaceful as well. We are 1 people. If Loyalists don't see that then they can take a boat to England. There is no N.Ireland there is only Ireland and England. No Londonderry only Derry or London. Long live a United Irish Republic

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  • once a liar always a liar hes a joke

  • @granda1960 What do you expect but resistance from a unique culture when it'sthreatened by being dictated the rules from the privilaged that you will never see but will be fodder for? You may be used to the class system but the people of Ireland and America said no,Only one person in your culture opposed slavery not all of you.

  • ryan tubridy is uglier than sin!....

  • IRA SCUM

  • Its amusing when the sanctimonious southern people turn their nose up at the "black north" and IRA, guns, etc, when it was the southerners who split up the island into two countries 90 years ago and left nationalists stranded in the north facing British anti catholic rule

    If i had witnessed the murder of catholics on civil rights marches that McGuinness did i too would pick up a gun and defend my people. But the sanctimious southerners wouldn't of course. Im glad we have no part of the south

  • @Ali74 Hello! :) I'm from the south of Ireland and I have absolutely nothing against Northern Ireland. I do however have a problem with you calling us all sanctimonious. I hate the IRA because now, they are not fighting for our freedom or all of that bullshit, now they are a bunch of terrorists who are just spoiling for a fight. I don't want a united Ireland because I like going up the North. I feel like I am in a different country and I enjoy meeting people up in the North. :)

  • @emmadignam people in the republic of ireland turn their nose up at people in northern ireland. People in the south divided what used to be Ireland over 90 years ago, and while those in the south lived free of any oppression, 43% in the north suffered terribly from a state "police" force. The south never helped, and no sympathy has ever been given to this community, the whole friendly irish thing is a myth

    I will always support the irish in anything but i too wouldn't want a united ireland

  • @Ali74 Grow up ffs,,

  • @TheNormankingdom if the truth offends you dont bother commenting.

  • @Ali74 Do you call yourself british?

  • @TheNormankingdom no i don't. I would never say i'm British, but i'm not Irish (in the true sense) either. No catholic in Northern Ireland is. Wouldn't say northern irish either. Perhaps irish with a small i. The Irish in the republic are completely Irish because theres no cultural hybrid, which is the case in northern ireland.

    I'm quite happy to live within the UK, and i would only a agree to a united ireland by remaining in it.

  • @Ali74  Are you a "paddy'?

  • HAIL TO THE CHIEF!

  • was martin mcguiness really an active member of the ira and did he ever shoot to kill?

  • FROM BELFAST VOTE MARTIN MCGUINESS

    EVEN THOUGH HES A WANKER MANY IRA MEN HAVE DIED FOR HE CAUSE

  • Tubridy - what a comfortable coward

  • No proof though! XD

  • I think Martin has a great chance in the elections....I'm voting him no:1

  • The north of Ireland. The south of Ireland. 'Northern Ireland' does not exist. It must not be legitimised by even the very tacit acknowledgement of it's 'right' to exist when the name is mentioned. FF had no right to relinquish Ireands claim over all her territories. Not in my name. All of Ireland is part of one island.

  • @username777777777779 its not the north of ireland.. its northern ireland.. a country in its own right. What happened 90 years ago cannot be undone.. it should not have happened but it did.

    We are a very different irish to those in the republic of ireland. We are a British/Irish hybrid and share very little in common with the southern people. Whenever i cross the border i instantly feel like im in a different country. McGuinness is trespassing on southern issues. Come home Martin.

  • @username777777777779 there is no country called Ireland. It doesnt exist.

  • @Ali74 ...yet.

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  • @atmoi666 it will be a long way off pal (if ever). As a catholic kid in Northern Ireland i thought "yeah a united Ireland would be great"..then i grew up. Its a naive, sentimental, nostalgic outlook

    Northern Ireland is a wealthy country, the Republic of Ireland is dirtpoor. First time i went down to Dublin i was warned to stay vigiliant for pickpockets. I support everything Irish (prefer ROI team over NI) but i wouldn't agree to being run by Dublin. A united Ireland thats part of the UK?..ok

  • @Ali74 You are dumb as a rock son..

  • @TheNormankingdom A United Ireland, under the Union flag

  • @MrMickroach You really are a dumbass limey lol

  • @TheNormankingdom And you are just another fat mouthed opinionated ignramous who has a puerile vision of the Irish people. Its none of your business you cretin!

  • @MrMickroach You have just described yourself ya dumb limey lol lol lol

  • @TheNormankingdom It is my business you plastic mick cunt..The clue is in the name "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" Now piss off and hump someone elses leg mutley!

  • @MrMickroach The limey is angry as well as dumb...typical.

  • @TheNormankingdom A plastic mick calling anyone else dumb is funny, it shows just how cretinous and lame of brain they are! Sorry old son, you arent a mick, you are a yank, and rather [athetic at that!

  • @MrMickroach The limey is intellectually challenged I see...typical.

  • @TheNormankingdom How strange for a plastic mick to accuse anyone of that, Pot calls to kettle!

  • @MrMickroach Is your Mummy helping you type?

  • @TheNormankingdom Ah, now the plastic mick is being puerile. Best let us think you a twat than you reply any more and remove all doubt!

  • @MrMickroach Your mummy has taught you a new word I see... she taught me more than words in her day, she always had a great mouth.

  • @MrMickroach Your mothers leg was great back in the day son... she always gave it to me for free also.

  • Ryan Tubridy is a feckin gobshite.

  • @hipyaboyya could'nt have said it better myself

  • @hipyaboyya Exactly....And whoever thought he was tv material should be fired.

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  • nelson mandela had a similar past,how can we make one a hero and the other not? I think its quite clear what martin has to say and its even more clear where has come from.

  • @corkonians

    You my dear just hit the nail on the head. I agree.

  • @limerick321 YYYYAAAWWWNNN  still boring everyone i see :--)

  • up martin and the i.r.a. we were fighting scum english soldiers!! who took our country!!

  • @vinnothelizard

    Fuck the IRA!

  • @mwillis1000 = JUST THE WELL KNOWN TROLL MRMICKROACH HIDING BEHIND A MULTI SEEKING ATTENTION PATHETIC !!!!

  • @Che870

    Stop fucking stalking me!

  • @mwillis1000 STOP TROLLING THEN ;---) ROACHY

  • ryan tubridy is the worst interviewer ever hes not up to  intervieing polictions like mcguiness or blair

  • ha ha,martin feels upset over the death of someone...

  • @gerardy345 De Valera was a thug who interned IRA members, had them executed, and let Republicans die on hunger strike. McGuinness is no different calling for informing on Irish republicans to be jailed. Republicans have always been against the 26 county state.

  • I think its very important that you are very clear when u talk about irish history, as for calling martin a "thug...we will let the people decide that :)

  • @corkonians The Irish people have voted in thugs in the past.

  • a man of the caliber and substance should not and can not be labelled a "thug"...its quite clear what he has done for the island or Ireland

  • @corkonians Your even speaking like him ''island of Ireland''. What has he done for this country apart from sell the 6 counties out?

  • well firstly,Ireland is an island...and secondly he did not "sell the 6 counties out"

  • @corkonians It doesnt take a rocket scientist to work out Ireland is an island. Most people in Ireland are not stupid you know. You parrot this 'island of Ireland' speak straight from the provo leaderships mouths. They have reduced Ireland from being a nation with a right to self determination to being no more than being a mere island. They have accepted partition and that two 'countries' exist on 'the island'. This is a long way from Irish republicanism.

  • The first question I want to ask u is who is "they"? and how did "they"reduce ireland? I think its quite clear,if you looked thru the forum, that I have always stated ireland as an island, if thats what u call a parrot then so be it..

  • @corkonians true, Collins did that.

  • 'Mr' Mcguiness is certainly a 'thug in a suit' ! I was born and bred in NI and underwent traditional childhood conditioning as a Protestant,...thank goodness it didn't take. I wish more peopel woul dtry to take several steps backwards from the relentless programming that they receive as a child and youth,...just analyse and think about how others are behaving ! If McGuiness were to be President, we would have to add 'knee-breakers' and 'hit-men' to the quaint 'Land of Saints and Scholars' axiom.

  • The IRA has been there "before" martin mcguinness, if he did not come along and dedicate himself to the peace process then there would still be bombs going off ...

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  • Take him apart Ryan your heads above him !!

  • Irishman ?...a saint ?....a scholar?....no way !!! Thug in a suit....that sounds more like it. Remember, 99% of evil arise from 'hate' and 'greed' ,....it's the human condition. When children are dosed with a particular form of hate, they can't discern that what they hear is wrong,...everything they encounter is dealt with in terms of what their parents and/or associates trot out. ( Associates includes religion and numpties like the Orange Order) just condition responses.. and so it goes on !

  • @439514 Are you Irish ? Also did you mean Mr mcguinness is a thug in a suit , i couldnt be sure , thanks for reading :)

  • the bottom line is this guy was involved with murders, rubbed shoulders with murderers and for all we know is a murderer.

    what image does this give of our country.

  • Who thinks Martin McGuinness and George Bush look alike? :)

  • This is classic, the cunt isn't even from the Republic.

  • @BaronVonPenguin

    Tubridy? I think you'll find he is.

  • @mark57153 Is he? Fuckin hell, who'd a thunk it...

  • @BaronVonPenguin So? Neither was Mary Macaleese.  Stupid cunt!!

  • @shcubasteve How does that make one a stupid cunt?

  • ha ha what a let down for ireland if this shitbag gets the job...it will just show ireland up for what it is.

  • I hate Ryan Tubridy.

  • A holes

    

  • and next week we have osama bin laden

  • Hill

  • Iwill never see u as anything else as murdering terrorist  , may God forgive you

  • What a classy interviewe Ryan Turbidy is he pulls no punches , I wish we had him up in northern Ireland..

  • he's a GOBSHITE

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  • RIP to the Late Late show killed by Ryan bloody Tubridy and his ridiculous interviews.

  • Tubridy is a petty little man.

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  • Cinema-maniak love-looser

  • Workoholism kills!

  • It is too dangerous to ppl to grow up such a great Ego. It explodes at the end. in the all parts of the Universe

  • This is just as embarrassing as gay byrnes interview of Gerry Adams.mcguinness rightly points out when brittish ministers are on the show they are not asked the same questions.The host expects a higher moral standard from the opressed than the opressor

  • @mrbrianmoran presumably the opressor is the security forces and the oppressed are the IRA in your mind. The security forces are held to a much higher standard than the IRA. There are no multi-million pound inquiries into the actions of the IRA. If only the IRA were held to account for their actions in the way the Brits are.

  • @jonoessex its true i wish the IRA people where imprisoned just like the british soldiers involved in bloody sunday where ! .... How long was their sentence again ???

  • @kargwain187 The soldiers were not convicted. However the parachute regiment has been condemned by the saville report. Enormous attention is focused on the fact that those soldiers were not punished. What about all the IRA members who have never been convicted of their murders?

  • @jonoessex condemed ?? ... one of them is a high ranking general for god sake ... what kind of condemnation is a promotion to one of the highest ranks in their army ???

    This type of rhetorical speak is ridiculas. I dont think anyone has the right to kill civilians ... that includes the parachute regiment and the IRA ... It is just strange to me that you would only pick one side to speak about. It shows an obvious bias.

  • @kargwain187 The soldiers of support company were condemned in the report. If your talking about Major general robert ford he was cleared of any blame for the shootings. I condemn the killing of civilians by all sides it's worth pointing out though that the IRA killed hundreds more civilians than the british army.

  • @jonoessex First of all that is untrue .... second, it is not a soccer game ... you do not win by getting the highest score. This is the lives of people we are talking about. If you want to condemn civilian murder then read about how many died when fallujah was chemically and randomly bombed and that will tell you about your british army. Condemned in a report, you must be joking.

  • @kargwain187 The IRA killed hundreds more civilians than the British army during the troubles that is a statistical fact. When we are assessing the actions of the British army and the IRA those statistics are important to understanding the truth of the conflict. I have been a consistent opponent of the war in Iraq. Support company of the parachute regiment have been condemned in a report. The inquiry cost £200 million you must give the british credit for that

  • @kargwain187 What is untrue? The fact that the IRA killed hundreds more civilians than the british army during the troubles is a statistical fact. It is also an important fact in assessing the moral actions of the British army vs the IRA. Falluja is a different conflict. I have been opposed to that war from the very beginning.

  • @jonoessex so because it is a different conflict none of the british soldiers who have murdered possible in the hundreds of thousands of people , should be charged ? are they less than us ?? What is wrong with you ... are you some fan of the british army or something , i dont understand where you are coming from

  • @kargwain187 I'm not a fan of the british army. I think blair and bush should be charged with war crimes over iraq. Any british soldiers found to be killing civilians deliberately should be charged. The point I'm making is that bloody sunday does not justify the IRA campaign. There should and could have been a political solution decades ago

  • @jonoessex In what you have said i9 agree , however you would not preclude any british army officer from being the prime minister just because the organisation he was a member of was found to be killing little kids and is currently as we speak selling weaponry to the likes of bahrain. So why then should mcguinness be precluded from the presidency unless you have a bias ? ... Any attack on civilians is a shocking murder ... any

  • @kargwain187 All countries have a military. The british army is the legitimate legal army of britain. I would not preclude anyone who was part of that legal organisation from becoming prime minister. There conduct within it could be an issue not their membership of it. The IRA was an illegal paramilitary organisation so the fact that mcguiness was head of it would make me feel he should'nt be president. The IRA and the british army are different even if killing civilians is killing civilians

  • @jonoessex So basically what you have just said , in print , i might add, is that its actually legally ok for the british army to kill civilians but its wrong if the IRA or any other private citezen does ??? ... May I ask if you feel comfortable with this morality ? ... Why do you feel its ok for people to die, just because someone is the member of this organisation or that. Do you not stand by your own concience rather than taking conscientious queues from organisations. I disagree with you.

  • @kargwain187 I have said nothing of the kind. It is NOT ok for anyone to kill civilians whether they are in a legal army or a banned paramilitary organisation. However someone who is the leader or was the leader of a proscribed paramilitary organisation should not be president in my opinion. It is ok for a member or leader of a legitimate legal army to be president. However if information comes to light they have killed civilans deliberately or recklessly they should not be president either.

  • @jonoessex Do you think that nelson mandella should have been a leader, what about michael collins, what about hugo chavez, what about charles de gaulle, or george washington as you can imagion the list continues. These people represent in some cases the best of the leaders these nations would ever have .... and all where members of illegal organisations responcible for the deaths of civilians. The question becomes where all these peoples wrong for making these great men their leaders ? If not..

  • @kargwain187 Nelson mandela and michael collins, charles de gaulle etc were all people fighting against repressive and or colonial regimes headed by governments which sought to deny them human rights. It's perfectly legitimate that mandela etc were made leaders after what they did for their people. PIRA which mcguiness lead have caused nothing but harm to their people. Mcguiness was no manela

  • @jonoessex You realise of coarse that at the time of his joining the IRA , catholics didnt have the same voting rights , housing rights , rights to join the police and rights to work as protestants. That is the definition of the denial of human rights. I would further more go to say that if it was not for the violence this situation would still exist today as it did all the way up till the violence. Now people are equal in all things and the violence has stopped. I dont understand your issue ?

  • @kargwain187 Ofcourse I'm aware of the anti-catholic inequalities in NI at the time. The IRA was not the armed wing of the civil rights movement. It was dedicated to removing the brits from NI. The SDLP were the ones who wanted to reform NI not overthrow it. The IRA refused to engage in reform of the NI state until they realised they couldn't win. I disagree with your suggestion that 3500 had to die for us to get to this stage. We could have acheived it decades ago without loss of life.

  • @jonoessex The IRA where born out of discrimination and murder. If the british are so innocent why was their an aparthied state in the first place. I would suggest sir that without the Ira that they would have been perfectly content to ignore the pleas of the populatrion for another 50 years. Why is it that the world supports the NTC in libya. They have hung thousands nof black people and are responcible for 10s of thousands of deaths but they hold government without so much as a peep. Hypocracy

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  • @kargwain187 You can suggest that without the ira there would not be civil rights for catholics but it's not true. The british were trying to deal with the civil rights issue before the IRA became such a large force. The IRA rejected any peaceful solution to the problems in NI until they were forced to end their campaign by the security forces. It was a total waste of human life.

  • @jonoessex They where dealing with them , they where beating them off the streets and sending attack dogs to savage them. Followed illegal arrests and detainment. If we are going to have this debate, which has been very pleasant I must say, we need to treat each other with respect and not muddy the history. It would not have been difficult to to insure equal rights and oppertunities in northern Ireland if it had of been their goal. I only want to see true equality and reconciliation for all, all

  • @kargwain187 Arrest and detainment was used against IRA suspects not civl rights activists. It was very difficult to bring about equal rights in NI. It was vigorously opposed by unionists. A peaceful solution was possible.

  • @jonoessex may I ask how much evidence was required for these arrests and why they could be treated in a seperate manner than the rest of the UK. Also equlity can be opposed by whoever wants, the fact of the matter is that as a member of the UN and human community they had a responcibility to ensure those people had their rights. They failed them and then they compounded that failure by random acts of violence and random arrests. To see it in the modern world one can look to basra.

  • @kargwain187 The arrests were made based on intelligence information. They were treated differently from the rest of the uk because there was a violent conflict going on in NI. There was no violent conflict in the rest of the uk. The british government had a responsibility to it's citizens in regard to their rights but governments are fallible. Internment was abolished in 1975. After that suspects were given trials. That was not comparable to basra

  • @jonoessex Would you go as far as to say you endorse what the british goverment did in northern ireland from 65 untill now. What intelligence info, that someone was a catholic , no more could known. Taking in thousands and beating information out of them ?? These are your own people that where taking this and you are defending those who did it , i dont understand.

  • @kargwain187 I'd make criticisms of british policy throughout the troubles. They should not have left unionists to run NI. Throughout the troubles there should have been more negotiation. There should have been more brit govenment initiatives to solve the problem. The british did not just arrest people because they were catholics. Alot of them were former republicans that were no longer involved, faulty info They didn't beat info out of them. There was unjustified brutality though.

  • @jonoessex They didnt beat them , but there was brutality ? .. Do you know how they used to interogate IRA suspects cos i know and i guarentee you wouldnt lable anything but an utter disgrace to humanity. Catholics and prodestants , unionists and nationalists where both commiting acts of "terror" how many unionists got shot by the army. How deeply was the british armies involvement with the creation and maintaining of the unionist paramilitaries. This needs to be asked too but never will be, why

  • @kargwain187 The "4 tecniques as they were known were banned in 1972. There were all sorts of measures in place to prevent brutality. Loyalist paramilitaries were not killing british soldiers so it's no wonder it was mainly IRA who were being killed by he army. The british army had absolutely no involvement in the maintainance of the loyalist paramilitaries.

  • @jonoessex Why dont you have any grasp of history before you comment or any knowledge whatsover , did you ever even hear of the FRU of John Black  no of course not please look into it before you continue to comment , The Loyalist paramilitaries were like a 5 a side over 60s pub football team untill the British FRU took them under their wing , do you know what an OOB is well they issued them to allow in the murder squads from the loyalists , your astonishingly misinformed

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  • @irishforfecksake Well if 'm astonishingly misinformed and have no grasp of history please tell me what I have said in this discussion that is astonishingly misinformed?

  • @jonoessex The British army had absolutely no involvement in the maintainance of the loyalist paramilitaries ,,,,,,,, that statement is the one to which i refer , by the way i read the comment you removed , you really should look up FRU you might find a startling contradiction to that statement , i have read your other comments out of interest you seem a reasonable person , .

  • @jonoessex The Force Research Unit (FRU) was responsible for arming, organising, and colluding with pro-British death squads in the north of Ireland. This sinister British Military unit was run by Lt Colonel Gordon Kerr (now Brigadier Gordon Kerr) which was based at Thiepval Barracks in Lisburn, County Antrim , since your interested this might help Stevens report , ... McGurks bar etc , i honestly dont want to go into this its thankfully in the past , why because of the peace process

  • @jonoessex

    Nonsense.

  • @mark57153 what is nonsense

  • what a cunt

  • one of the greatest irishmen who ever lived!!!!!!!

  • The protestants were their own worst enemies years ago by the way they treated catholics like crap...no wonder the catholics started fighting back. I am English with Irish/English ancestry and sympathise with both sides in Ireland...I wish Ireland could unite but I cant blame protestans either cuz why should they live by a flippin catholic church ways ?

  • @XxpauldadudexX The people on the Falls are saying my God my country ,my flag??

    On the Shankill they are saying my god my country my flag??

    Each one says my truth is correct?

    Society is still very ugly and sick!!! What have they the poisiners of the communitys done in,Government in 14 yrs?

    That is segregation housing,and segregation in education? Is the people feeling peace inwardly???

    Please inquire into all above without prejudice!!!

  • sO HE GIVES HIS LIFE TO jesus,pls.

  • fucking little rat tubridy. His gandfather fought in the exact same way in the south. Gordon brown was on a few weeks earlier and he didnt give him any stick about iraq or anything like that. fucking prick

  • Fuck it all, i was in a local airport with Martin recently, I flew ryanir and Martin flew BRITISH AIRWAYS, 1 burning question about all the troubles i would like to know, is did the IRA know the Omagh bombing was going to happen like it did, the Brits say yes, it was the only big bang that could happen that would take us out of Mass Murder forever, cause it was on a Mass scale, this question will never be answered, but i live in hope for the Irish people ???

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