defending `Iolani Palace 11

[TheStealthx808]

DEFEND HAWAII

TRUST NO HAOLE!!!!!

[Hakau72]

No point in having tiny dumb events like this with only about 10 supporters...... Hawaiians will never get their land back no matter how much they try......if the u.s. Hadn't taken over Hawaii some other country would have because of it's location......also there are barely/if any full blooded Hawaiians left, so why would they give the land back to a bunch of quarter Hawaiians......just need to face he truth already Hawaiians lost their land for a reason........

[UniteHawaii]

@Hakau72. What would make that country different? It would not make any difference. America is just the same as any other country that could've invaded Hawaii. BTW, Hawaiian is not an ethnicity. It is a nationality. It is not based on blood quantum or ancestry. America made that up! It is based upon loyality to the nation. Like Americans, for example. American is a nationality. You can be any ancestry and still be considered an American. That is if you live there. Same thing with Hawaiian.

[mamoahina]

@Hawnguy100 Yeah, only the Haoles cry out RACISM b/c THEY are not benefitting from anything which is what pisses them off. Never mind if the Asians, etc. can get a share too, they don't care about that. To them RACISM means THEY are not having a piece of the pie, so in order to make it seem like we're all equal, they have to ridicule the monarchy, the monarchs and our culture as well as quantify us trying to marginalize us in order to make us appear invisible or non-existent.

[SkipHawaii]

@mamoahina

A European style palace built by Europeans with electrical generators and lights made in the US and installed by US citizens at a cost that bankrupted the Hawaiian government is not much to brag about. It’s one of the reasons the monarchy was overthrown by the Republic of Hawaii.

What pie are you talking about? A tourist dependent container ship economy that can't even feed itself. Yep, you guys are the envy of every other state.

[mamoahina]

@SkipHawaii No bragging here, nor did I see anyone brag. But you're still denying the fact that you cannot absolve the actions of those who overthrew the Govt. & I know you're not an idiot to think otherwise but rather avoiding that by stating how terrible Kalakaua or the monarchy was for spending that money. Fact is, MANY were disenfranchised b/c of the 1887 Constitution including the Chinese like my own ancestor who was a citizen & voted. Now others like him couldn't vote for being Chinese.

[mamoahina]

@SkipHawaii The piece of pie i was talking about is what these mostly American businessmen were worried about losing so they had to exclude (a truly American concept) others in order to make sure they were able to profit. Profit from that piece of pie rather than let the govt. do what they felt was needed to do. Explain to me this (if you don't wait weeks or mos to reply) why if they believed in this "DEMOcracy" did they not do it democratically?

[SkipHawaii]

@mamoahina

I don't know how many times I've heard some sovereignty nut brag about the king buying US made & installed electricity like it was some sort of Hawaiian accomplishment.

The US needs Hawaii like the EU needs Greece so I'm with you on Hawaii getting its kingdom back, it deserves it. I'm guessing a Fiji in 10 years, a Hatti in 30. Good Luck.

[SkipHawaii]

@mamoahina

I'm not sure if a monarchy has ever been voted out anywhere. Kind of hard to vote out someone that believes they were appointed by God. And it was the Republic of Hawaii not the DEMOcracy of Hawaii, just like the US is the republic for which it stands.

Are republics flawed at times? Yes, it's a work in progress. But show me a form of government that gives more freedom to the common man.

[mamoahina]

@SkipHawaii as far as I know, no. That is considered a REVOLUTION in our language. This isn't about republics being flawed, Skip you're avoiding my question & trying to distract the issue here. We're not talking Republic vs. CONSTITUTIONAL Monarchy, but rather a so called DEMOcracy (hint...root word fr Greek) in which the illegal ROH was actually an OLIGarchy. You claim that a republic gives MORE freedom to the common man, but compared to what exactly?

[SkipHawaii]

@mamoahina

We just had an election, who wasn't allowed to vote?

I know, I know, you want a do over with the revolution and the monarchy put back in power, better yet, bring back the Ali'i.

Like I said, I agree with you. Hawaii deserves to be out of the USA.

[mamoahina]

@SkipHawaii Skip, now you're acting like a spoiled brat. You know very well I'm talking about 1887, NOT today. Grow up.

[mamoahina]

@SkipHawaii I mentioned the 1887 Constitution. Do you even know what changes were made in that constitution never mind the means of how it was created, which was unconstitutional, but I'll keep it simple since it's obvious you're not familiar w/ it. Basically it made changes so that the ELITE HAOLEs could rule & profit while NOT ALLOWING "Chinese" as well as Kanaka (unless they were rich) to vote. W/ the Const Monarchy, those 2 I mentioned WERE allowed to vote. That is the issue!

[mamoahina]

@SkipHawaii So you're only justifying the overthrow as well as the 1887 Constitution as the ONLY way to have an elite group of Haoles who had an investment in the kingdom's economy (ie sugar tariffs by the USA) DISALLOWING kanakas & Chinese who made up a HUGE percentage of the population to vote in order to keep $ in their pockets. Yet you flash back to the spending of the kingdom. He was the King, so what, it wasn't stated that he couldn't spend, yet the Legislature ALLOWED it.

[mamoahina]

@SkipHawaii Your YT profile says it all what I suspected. Just an outsider who remain to stick out like a sore thumb rather than get along w/ the locals. Unfortunately people like yourself blame kanaka when you know very well there's a lot of Japanese, Filipino, Samoan, Korean & Chinese people causing people like yourself grief. Yet you trolling other ethnic sites/channels & the fact that you can't even answer a simple question let alone comprehend it says a lot about your mentality.

[SkipHawaii]

@mamoahina

And where I live on the mainland no ethnic group is causing me grief. It cracks me up that you hillbillies think of the mainland like it's some sort of tiny racist island like yourself. You seem to have this strange belief that is 1955 Alabama everywhere on the mainland.

[SkipHawaii]

@mamoahina

Too funny, I'm an outsider, "you ante frome around here is ya?" "we don't cotton to strangers" Ok Jeb.

Are you saying you don't want Hawaii out of the US? If not, then what do you want? I also said I DO want Hawaii out of the US. I don't live in Hawaii, nor do I have any desire to.

[mamoahina]

@Hawnguy100 He wrote "not pono to this elder." Pahleez, he's only a 3 yrs. older than me. lol Worse, he wrotes about not being pono yet he is boasting about his genealogy. As the saying goes: E noho iho i ke opu weuweu, mai ho'oki'eki'e - remain among the clumps of grass & don't elevate yourself. Meaning don't assume an attitude of superiority. NOW who is not pono? I can't speak of the Holau line & which line that comes (had 2 wahine Holau) but he's not stating that either, but still wrong

[MolokaiAlika]

Dysfunctionality runs rampid among ko'u po'e.

[MolokaiAlika]

Not pono to this elder, very disrespectful. As the haole is correct as to history by decree of HRM King Kamehameha III. Stop the drama triangle and step out of the victim stance.... aue!

[mamoahina]

@MolokaiAlika by what decree? You're not even stating anything & not even citing your facts.

[MolokaiAlika]

I am Native Hawaiian of a chiefly line, but errors occurred in the Kalakaua dyanasty that sealed the Kingdom's fate. Both Kalakaua and Liliu were extravogant in their spending and they were incompetent as rulers. Strong willed, stubborn and impulsive. This lead to concerns by the Hawaiian community. Her attempt to initiate a revised constitution that would give her more power was of concern, since the dynasty was already impetuous. Liliu's signing of abdication concluded the revolution. Pau

[MolokaiAlika]

The Ceded lands to the US Government was established about 1898. The Ceded lands were returned to the state of Hawaii upon statehood in 1959. King Kamehameha III designated the crown lands to benefit ALL Hawaii citizens, including ALL races. Sorry, but the benefit of the trust is for all Hawaii residents. I am a Native Hawaiian, but we must not be revisionists, and accept the facts for what it is, maybe the moi made mistakes in decisions, but it is what it is.

[mamoahina]

@Hawnguy100 and the reason why they can't tell the difference is that they consider all non-White people the same and that is below them...below the Haoles. Remember, Conklinites preach EQUALITY or speak about it under the guise of racism. Racism is nothing more than PREJUDICE + POWER. Look at what happened in 1887, it was abt POWER which they believed only WHITES had the right to control - MANIFEST DESTINY.

[mamoahina]

@Hawnguy100 That's b/c Maui locals don't put up w/ their Haole mentality, unlike Oahu where it's more assimilated. So the foreigners to Maui experience it worse, in my own opinion, therefore they become more racist. Unfortunately kanakas get blamed for it even though these unskilled foreigners can't tell the different between a Chinese or Japanese or Filipino or Korean from a Kanaka.

[Kaluaokalani]

Wavefool is racist. Why are so many of you complaining about it. He's beneath us. Sad he never evovled from being a caveboy. He's just a bitter hauole punk who got pushed around. Just look at the things he says. Bitter bitter bitter. Stop crying little boy. Go get educated. Oh and before you say anything else..... Bitter

[joshua81em]

What exactly was happening there? What started the argument?

[wavefool]

Their is no "Nation of Hawaii." Check it out. The US, NATO, World Court, nobody recognizes these folk as a nation. They bullshit and bullshit and are relentless in their lies and if you try to reason with them they shout you down. The real Hawaiians are out their working, just like the rest of us trying to make something of their lives beyond the ignorant relics that spend their time whining about the past. These punks represent a foul part of Hawaiian culture best forgotten.

Blame Game 101.....

[TheBlueRose7]

The State of Hawaii and Maui county do not recognize these people as a legitimate group. The reason should be obvious. Just in case you missed it. These are not the kind, loving citizens of Hawaii. These are the wretched refuse that would have their way as long as they didn't have to actually work for it. They represent the lost children of the past, unable to blend in with the world as it is today. Dead heat on a merry-go-round.

[mamoahina]

@TheBlueRose7 I don't understand what you mean by the lost children of the past. You're not referring to these people as wanting the "old ways" are you, b/c we already know for a fact that isn't what they're about. And your username sounds so familiar but I noticed you replied a year ago so maybe I already replied. Anyway, a group doesn't have to be recognized by any state or county, that's not how groups are considered "valid" but I think you already knew that.

[wavefool]

Your Queen pal not ours. Presently our Queen is a black woman named Michelle. Oh and the "apology law" doesn't exist. There was no law passed as a result of Clinton's apology. This is just a bunch of losers who want something for nothing and represent less than 1% of the total population of Hawaii. You don't like they way things are fine, change them legally.

Some of us Haoles are sick of this bull shit. This land is our land, ALL OF US. Don't want to be part of it then get the Fuck out.

[TheBlueRose7]

"Those who fail to acknowledge the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat it." The "Apology" from President Clinton was a key to unlock the door. The sovereignty groups are still fighting over who owns the house. They have fought each other since they discovered each other and will never learn to cooperate or unite. It is simply beyond their capabilities. Since 1957 not one thing has been accomplished to further the quest of independence. Fight on brothers, it's the best show in Hawaii.

[mamoahina]

@TheBlueRose7 I agree, but trust me, you think all of this fighting is the best show in Hawaii? It's just that this fighting reminds me sooo much of the constant bickering between the Democrats & the Republicans even before California became a state! Gotta love America for its divisive & racists ways to split apart its citizenship. Unlike Canada or Australia or G.B., they're much more cohesive. It's obvious where Hawaii got its most recent influence from.

[Hawaiianstile]

lol so the retarded duo have regretted what they said and removed every racist post they made XD. what happened to their bravery? they seemed so fearless before lol. yes racist cowards run XD. wavefool and thebluerose7, a couple of racist children, pathetic really :/

[Hawaiianstile]

really? cause i found "cane niggar" and "'Ewa Beach porch monkey" to be pretty racist indeed. lol im too smart to throw away my life for beating up some racist moron i saw online. and if that was your real address you can count yourself lucky its me you gave it to. some aren't as lenient with racists as i am.

[Hawaiianstile]

you don't even know what the meaning of haole is. for a perfect definition i would suggest you look into a mirror. what meets your gaze when you do so is a haole, and a racist. you know what give me your address again big guy.

[Hawaiianstile]

lol what no more racist insults? trying to behave like a adult for a change? well your little ruse isn't fooling anybody. your just an ignorant racist and your beneath me.

[Hawaiianstile]

racist slurs don't discriminate, they are insults on all of us. when you use words like nigger and porch monkey and the like against me. they are not insults directed at me but insults directed at my race. QED it has everything to do with race.

[Hawaiianstile]

for saying things like that and you general demeanor you ARE haole. if you don't like it then drop your racist ways.

[Hawaiianstile]

blah blah blah. you wana call me out because i deleted your address rather than coming down there and sticking my foot in your racist ass? well enough talk give me your address again. i wana see if you will call me a cane nigger or an 'Ewa Beach porch monkey in person.

[wavefool]

Just to let you know. I restored the "Cane nigger" coment to show you the content of which the term was used.

A) it was a quote noted by quotation marks

B) it is a term used on Maui to designate field workers.

You don't like the slightest implication of racial tones do you? but anybody that disagrees with you gets pegged as someone without soul.

Who the hell are you to make that call?

[Hawaiianstile]

lol i don't give a rats dick what you call me. but don't call someone a bunch of racial slurs and then call them a racist. how retarded can you get. lol well then again you gave a person you made racial insults to your address so your not the brightest bulb in the house.

[wavefool]

Don't need to be smart to defeat the brain damaged it does however require patience. The brightest bulb in my house is a laser sight. I noticed you didn't recant my statement above you just keep flapping your mouth. You really need someone with English language skills to help you along; pay special attention to the punctuation. It is in fact what separates you from understanding the true meaning of the message. A message of truth that I now realize you have no interest in. No more time for you.

[Hawaiianstile]

you ran your mouth and regretted it afterward. you revealed your true colors as a bigot and a racist, and your feeble attempts at retracting your moronic statements is nothing short of laughable.

[wavefool]

Thank you.

[TheBlueRose7]

porch monkey huh?

[wavefool]

pretty much.

[Hawaiianstile]

haole can be applied to any race. historically it has been applied to white people. in this day it can be used negatively but is more often used as a simple descriptive. your ignorance is showing

[Hawaiianstile]

i use haole by its traditional meaning. and that meaning describes a racist like you perfectly. you are a haole its that simple.

[Hawaiianstile]

this haole guy what a moron. im surprised haoles that where there didn't get beat up. its like supporting the KKK at a Martin Luther King rally.

[Hawaiianstile]

where were we? we were ready to fight, outnumbered and outgunned we were ready to do battle. but our queen told us not to shed blood, neither ours nor our enemies. it was her folly for believing that america was a just country that believed in peace, justice, and equality. how was she to know what a savage and evil entity it really is. racist haole people like you, so big and tough online. its so easy for a little dog to bark from behind his fence.

[PUKONAKONA]

Stolen Footage from Hawaiians, thats why Hawaiians wont get Freedom...

[mustafakane]

I was dea this not yours but I hear you when sell yours. Kanaka's for sale. Samad

[TIMERGH]

Kanaka for sale... Ha ha ha, thats a good one, I have to say again forgive me for myself, but also my intention on selling a part of my film was to give a balance to the film being made...

and what I sold was trash anyways... Kanaka's dont care! about their LORD and who he is? they all want to be enslaved... Thinking they will have freedom when they will have facilitation...

[mustafakane]

Thanks for the information Pukonakona the next time you come around looking for you know what, you can go to your know where.

[mustafakane]

I am so glad you are not hawaiian but from the nutgrass folks. Thanks for the enlightenment. TIMERGH

[Hakau72]

that haole guy get balls yeah.

haha. but he stay right

[nesianboy]

Indigenous RIGHTS!

I support this movement. As well as other indigenous people's quest for Self-Determination. Decolonize Guam and the CNMI! Mexica Movement!

[imuahawaiian13]

Opinion:

I really don't mind Haole people coming to Hawaii. All I ask of them is that they respect our land, culture, history, and people.

P.S. I would have kicked that haole guys ass!!!

[Leimana]

Luckily I wasn't there because I would've given him my peace of mind, and probably went to jail for kickin' his ignorant ass on behalf of myself and my kupuna! 'AMO PILO!!!

[Hawaiianstile]

lol typical haole action, arguing from pure ignorance and total ethnocentrism. you should try learning some history before you spout off crap like that, and honestly look who's talking big guy, making disgustingly racist comments online because there is no way in hell you would make them in person, yes aren't you the brave little haole bitch. as i said before, its so easy for a little dog to bark from behind his fence. and if your gonna reply grow some nads and do it directly.

[Hawaiianstile]

try to stay on topic haole boy, your address has nothing to do with a comment on youtube. and your even dumber than i thought if you gave me your real address my god try a little common sense you moron, you don't go giving your address to random people on youtube, especially after making racist remarks to them. lol and you think were dumb XD.

[Hawaiianstile]

"Yeah that's the Hawaiian way, beat the ha ole down. Wait where were you warriors when the islands were being assaulted, right. Home eating pork and smokin dope, just like now." your first comment to me. first you stereotype ME as being unnecessarily violent, but look at your comment now. your just an ignorant, hypocritical, ethnocentric, haole. with a big mouth and a tinny brain. pathetic, just pathetic :/

[Hawaiianstile]

the dictionary definition of racism is "the belief or doctrine that ones race determines ones cultural or individual achievement" and here you say because of our race we are inherently prone to mindless violence. the dictionary says you made a racist comment you ignorant haole. and i really don't give a crap what your family did, all i know is that YOU are an ethnocentric bigot, a moron trying to sound smart and failing, making racist comments out of pure ignorance, your a hypocrite and a haole.

[Hawaiianstile]

haole: without breath (ha 'ole) ha to Hawaiians is the breath of life, when the first white people came to our islands their actions and behavior showed no ha. generally it was used to describe one that is loud, arrogant, and ignorant. this was an accurate description of the white people of that time, hence its common use on white people even now, and its an accurate description of you. however you will see it doesn't imply race, i have many white friends but haole they are not. get educated :/

[Hawaiianstile]

so your no longer denying that your a racist, not that you could my evidence is undeniable. you white supremacist are a pathetic bunch. out smarted by me so you go and boost your ego by making more racist comments and getting a pat on the back by your equally moronic racist friend there. honestly try getting educated and sprouting some brains in that skull of yours.

[Hawaiianstile]

god your a soar looser and a spectacular racist

[Hawaiianstile]

your the racist here not me. i have not yet made a single racist remark where as in your case the very first thing you posted was racist, then you denied it till i proved beyond any doubt that you did indeed make a racist remark. and once the cat was out of the bag you made even more blatantly harsh racial slurs. you don't know what the future holds, if history has taught us anything it is that no ruler, no mater how powerful, lasts forever, and america is no exception.

[Hawaiianstile]

lol how terribly irrelevant, too bad you don't have an advanced degree in logic. here we witness the desperate haole commit a logical fallacy, do you even know what that is? go on wiki it like i know you will. dodge the issue, name credentials that are unrelated to the topic at hand, lol in what new ways will your idiocy manifest itself next XD. lol pathetic XD

[Hawaiianstile]

lol don't use terms you don't understand. fallacies have terms and (not agreeing with my opinion) is NOT one of them. secondly, you are the only one making racial comments here, and despite your pathetic display of childish ignorance i never once called attention to your race, i wont be sinking to your level. lol grow up JR. and get educated, i suggest a loi class, it will help you not to seem like such a moon in the future ;)

[Hawaiianstile]

how bout, just for a change of pace, you post something based on reality. till then enjoy wallowing in your own pathetic racist ignorance.

[Hawaiianstile]

again you list claims but completely refuse to support them with evidence or facts. when i accused another of using racist comments i provided the dictionary definition of the term "racism" and explained how he was guilty of it, this is what an intelligent person does. you however just sling baseless accusations supported by nothing more than your imagination, this is what separates you and me,its a little thing called intelligence.

[Hawaiianstile]

well that was random, i never said i disagreed with that idea, in fact i am in full support of my people uniting to bring true justice to fruition, thats what i live for.

[Pubearxcore]

this is so maika'i....mahalo plenty for putting this up on youtube

[kimonui]

They chose the Palace for this. cheezus. No shame. More education for the masses on this. mahalo for this series!