Basic Introductory Hung Gar and Arrow Hand

[naumutroi]

i did a hung ga "arrow hand" inspired form at a tournament once using the iron rings on my wrists. totally freaked people out, as if they never seen it before. one of the people working for the tournament asked me if i was in right line thinking the iron rings were weapons. They could be used that way but it is not thier primary purpose in gung-fu. unfortunately that was before i got into doing videos, wished i had a video of that and i don't do tournaments no more. Might film it anyways later.

[winglamkungfu]

@TheMartialartsJedi Sifu Lam's complete lineage can be seen at wle(dot)com(slash)school(slash­)sifu-lam-lineage.gif

[Emangroove]

Wing Lam is the man! I've seen very few people with this combination of speed, power and precision. It's obvious he's been training hard for a long time.

[IrishKagura]

QUESTION

I'm looking 4 a mar. art that is good in real life/ can be used in a street fight where anything goes, not a for "show" or turnament type mar. I'm thinking about Tai Chi Chain and Hun Gar what would be the better mar. 4 a no rules type fight? (and is also easy on the student's back)

I'm going 2 go looking 4 trouble but if I'm going 2 learn a mar. I want it 2 be 1 that isn't just 4 "show"

thax 4 any and all help ^_^

[manupdrk]

@IrishKagura *scratches head* I kinda wanna lol at this..but you seem like your asking for real. Anyways, There really isn't a "Better" martial art.. but rather the person who wields it to determine that. Don't ask which is better in a street fight.. because all of them have their set of applications that have been tested through the times.. even in today's society.

And I dunno if you made a grammar mistake or not.. but if your looking to harm people, real teachers will turn you away.

[IrishKagura]

@manupdrk when I asked my question I didn;t mean 4 it 2 sound like I was going 2 hurt some1. I'm VERY SORRY if that's the impression u got. I just meant that I'm looking 4 a mar. art that wasn't all flash/ tourment type fighting. But something easy on the students back and comparing tai chi chun 2 hun gar what's the better mar. of the 2?

P.S. again I'm NOT LOOKING 4 TROUBLE OR 2 CAUSE HARM, I'm just not able 2 walk during the day so I walk at nite. That's y I'm asking, walking is also the

[IrishKagura]

@manupdrk (ran out of room on the last comment box) I can;t do much in the way of exercise 'cos of my back. That's y I take walks when I can and sadly I can only do that at nite. So I'm just looking 4 a mar. 2 defend myslef w/ NOT SOMETHING 2 HURT PPL W/.

thanks four your time and help

[manupdrk]

@IrishKagura Hmm.. You might want to take a stab at Tai-Chi.. since its really more an internal art than external. I'm taking only a mere guess considering I am only a White sash (I'm not going to claim a black belt or sash when.. I'm not lol). However I do study when I have time. Anyways In regards to your back, It depends on how bad it is. I've forgotten if the video I saw is on youtube or not but.. there's a guy doing all his forms with just 1 leg. So I dunno, do some research on Tai-Chi

[IrishKagura]

@manupdrk  thank you for all of ur help ^_^

[winglamkungfu]

@IrishKagura I'll throw in some supplementary advice regarding your back: Sun Tai Chi and (I've heard) Wu/Hao Tai Chi are both good for promoting a healthy spine.  Xing Yi would be good as well...it is also much easier for a beginner to grasp its application. Hung Gar is very strenuous in its training, so it may be a bit rough. I have no idea what the status of your back is, though, so I'm not suggesting you count it out completely. Whatever you choose, take the time to find a good teacher.

[Alien0one]

@IrishKagura for a beginner wing chun is very good

[IrishKagura]

@Alien0one thax ^-^

[UsernameofBoang]

Holy poop! I thought the first demo was the "normal speed".

[ChaosRynth]

YES HE PIVOTS ON THE HEEL!

[harveydentaka]

i thought hungar is everything goes 0_0

[ederheros]

otimo..hunggar nois que tah

[Obiwan198]

Are these basics the movements you use when practicing Hung Gar?

[Hateyaall]

If anyone practice south kung fu like hung gar , wing chun will see how simular they are .

[tang3reen]

Yeah, they're similar for a reason.

[SuperTutorialKing]

Awesome!

[SifuPat]

i hear whats you are saying, i do northern mantis, and jook lum, thanks

[SifuPat]

looking at just the upper body and hands tech, cool

[SifuPat]

is it just me, or dose it look alittle like wing chun, i know he created this set, it interesting, both are south systems, interesting form, i think some good though went into it, good stuff

[ibuchanan82]

wing chun is a cousin style of hung gar, so you will see similar techinques, both are from southern shaolin temple

[mjm1991nsx]

Nice Sa Pa Mah

[hgearangler]

mjm1991nsx, better Cantoese pronounciation as:{ say ping mah}, share !!

[LoveLuka22]

Its ridiculous how people from behind their computer screen talk about how wrong this is, when The GUY FREAKING INVENTED THIS. Also, would he be a Sifu if he was doing it wrong his whole martial arts career? No No No!! Leave alone, dweebs

[SolXIV]

Normally I just ignore what some of you idiots have to say...But this takes the cake..Anyone that thinks he is doing ANY detail wrong is a fool...for Sifu Wing Lam INVENTED this set you fuckin morons

[hedleygrange04]

lol, I like you.

[naumutroi]

@SolXIV i totally agree

[wrj9221]

Sifu Lam is a High Quality Master and should be respected by the viewers not trashed by some little assholes!!

[Kirkinho1]

we don't really get into the techniques and grappling until after you get your jab straight and body shots down and your basic kicks and then i think our sifu teaches alittle bit of a style of Tai Chi along with our Hung Gar and the last thing we start to learn is weaponary but everyone is different

[Kirkinho1]

i don't think this is wrong but it might be, but i just started Hung Gar like 3 weeks ago and those aren't basics. for our dojo and sifu our style might be alittle different than others but basics to us are kinda like simple boxing moves like jabs and straights and we focus on mouse stepping or basicly hopping back and fourth and we do alot of foot work in the beginning i just learned 4 basic kicks today, but everyone teaches different i suppose

[anhkhoinguyen]

your studying a chinese system but yet you call your school a "dojo"...ha..ha..ha its called a kwoon

[mttmizzletizzle]

i'm glad these vids are available...its been 10 years since i did this set.

[oOjeffoOo]

The background music was epic.

[shinken0]

first that is not the complete form...second...just wrong...

[azndude1408101]

ahahaha. he does it all wrong no lie

[IrishSpaniard]

wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong crap

[somethingallright]

is there an explenation what the technicks in form mean I mean what they are in a fight with other person ?

[RenegadeRows]

There are applications included, yes.

[skink517]

This is great. I'm learning this form and this will be a great reference for when I'm not at the kwoon and I forget something. Thanks alot!

[jadefist2000]

does anyone know the chinese name for this set?

[barno65]

jin jeung or chuen jeung

[irishninja16]

if you go to the black belt magizine shop, they have a set of 5 dvds and a few books.

[PingBeiFong]

xcdoes anyone here know where i can find hung Gar fighting techniques?!

[ayotechnology5050]

great

[glimmeroftruth]

Good fighters are adaptable. Most MMA fighters seem to lack this quality, where CMA can downgrade if need be.

[glimmeroftruth]

Hey I seen you on some magazine covers I think alan. You make funny faces!

[FrankyLau]

hung gar people dont have those ego problems to prove them self..I know enough that went through life safe ..never got beaten up or anything..nobody needs too prove shit..specially not to u..now u piss off

[FrankyLau]

this comment coming from a so called wing chun teacher,just speaks a lot about u !

[alanorrchusaulei]

I am not Alan Orr, just a fan of his

[FrankyLau]

ok my bad

[nifka72]

I remember seeing a documentary on the Japanese invasion of China during World War 2,and these Chinese soldiers coming out of the trees and bushes with small axes,coming in low and swinging in circles...the japanese guy with the camera hauled ass through the fighting out of there...God I wish I could find this again. I dont know if this was any Kung Fu,but it damn sure looked like it.

[ahiJabo]

good

[crushintome01]

Everyone is free to believe what they want to believe if one dude says he believes that Hung Gar isn't deadly then that's ok, its his opinion. I've met a real hung gar master, i've never seen him main or kill anyone. I've noticed that they're fast, they can channel alot of power into a hit, and they can use knives, staves, swords, and spears pretty effectively.

Deadly seems relative, if a dude with a ballpen stabs you in the eye with it then its deadly isn't it?

[MariuszJames]

it takes a good 3-4 months just to get adapt to the movement from your body standpoint ... Hung Gar is NOT A SPORT ! Get that in your head !!

[MariuszJames]

you can't learn from a DVD ... Hung gar is so much more than just throwing a punch or moving your legs ... It's a connection with your body. You can do all the fancy moves but without the basic training with a master that can teach and rebuke you, it will be useless!

[Medracin]

I agree, that it is a lot harder to learn a martial art by dvd, but what if you live no where near a hung gar school, and you don't think you ever will? Then it really is your last resort. Anyway, I think they do explain the philosophy of hung gar, and stuff as well...maybe.

[MariuszJames]

if you really have the dedication you can learn the move but if you don't have the mentality of behind in depth connection with yourselves it will be useless in real fights. Obviously Hung gar was created so they used hypothetical moves to create the style ... Get a good training, continue to be deep with yourselves and connect your mind well and after that you can learn more easilly other style, you should always be evolving

[barno65]

Thats true learning from a dvd is better than nothing at all.

[clfguardian]

You got to be careful when learning from a dvd, think of it like looking for the knob to a door in a huge dark room and your blindfolded thats kind of what learning from a dvd is like. You really don't have someone guiding you along the way preventing you from improper learning. I am thankful for My Sifu he trained me for 4yrs in Hung Gar not this 3 time a wk stuff either, as soon as I got off work I trained for 4hrs everyday.

[burgerslave]

where did you train I want to go there.

[Clfguardian26]

Phoenix Arizona, My Sifu was a retired Siu Chef from red Lobster LOL. But he was trained in Hung Ga at an early age from his father, He then trained me. We mostly did Stance/isometric training at first seeing as he called my JKD "Modern Bruce Lee Garbage" LOL I love my sifu.

[hgearangler]

clfguardian, good training, I love your dedication to HungGar or whatever forms !!! You get a good health ~~c h e e r ~~

[Clfguardian26]

Yeah thanks man. I'm still working on learning BJJ let me tell you its fun but really rough on the shoulders and the gi's are heavy and you sweet alot in them. But over-all that mixed with my Hung Ga and Choy Lee Fut I think I have a nice combo there, but I still want to keep traditional values.

[hgearangler]

yes Clfguardian26, you made it, congrat !!!

[Clfguardian26]

thanks man. When I can afford to buy a good camcorder I might put me sparring some MMA students and maybe a Gung Gee Form on youtube until then its all talk LOL,.

[rengokunoikiru]

You see those thugs getting their asses handed to themsleves in Jet Li and Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee movies...they all studied hard under the tootalage of The UFC.

To be a great fighter one must know oneself and their surrondings. Not a complex sequence of moves and elbow strikes to the head for maxium damage.

A quote from Bruce Lee "To use an advancded move on a foe is great and one should be proud of themselves but to use the simplest move, then one is truly a (Amazing or a Master).

[alanorrchusaulei]

You WILL NOT learn how to fight from a DVD. I had access to dozens and I watched them all. You need to get in a school with a good teacher

[VisionCommenter]

well maybe. but after watching I don't want to go to a school. pointless. In those day ppl pay to see and learn. with the net there aren't any use. especially with Chinese martial arts, where techniques are based on form.

[alanorrchusaulei]

I'll say this again, you will not learn how to fight from a DVD. You can only go that far learning from DVD because you have no master to correct all those subtle mistakes. The UFC taught us one thing, 95% of what you see in that form is unusable in a fight. Wake up.

[VisionCommenter]

UFC is a sport. And learning from these are cheaper. This is a violent world. There's alway people who want to fight. Y? Jealousy,revenge,money etc Don't need some who spares in the class tell me this isn't right

[ibuchanan82]

To say that 95% of this form is unusable in a fight is a bold statement Have you applied 100% of the form in a fight to reach this conclusion? Hunggar is an effective style when applied the correct way, forms are constructed to allow people to easily memorise each of the strikes within that form.

[alanorrchusaulei]

Do you have any proof for these statements? I want to see Hung Gar people fighting and winning in various competitions. Until then all you have is pure speculation which is worthless.

[evildrgo]

The fact that Hung Gar is still around is proof enough. Don't neglect your history and your training.

[alanorrchusaulei]

Uhhhh no it's not proof enough. Karate is still around and we all know it's not that useful for real fighting.

[evildrgo]

You watch too much TV.

[ibuchanan82]

UFC is hardly an authority on real fighting it still has rules and limitations. Being in some street fights reveals that thugs want nothing more than jump on your head. UFC is just a grappling sport really. if you watch people that practice hung gar you will see the benefits extend beyond simple fighting skills,improved flexibility, speed, strength,and the benifits that result from strengthening ones chi energy.

[alanorrchusaulei]

Blah blah blah blah chi energy. I want to see Hung gar people fight and win. If your "chi energy" doesn't work in the ring it will not work in the street.

[1234iluvthemarinecor]

alanorr FYI rings have rules, most gong-fu is deadly and not meant for sport, whereas BJJ is basically watered down Jiu-Jitsu so it is not lethal for the sport arena. Big difference between martial arts and fighting arts.

[alanorrchusaulei]

Gong Fu is deadly huh? How do you know that? Got proof? Deadly my ass.

[1234iluvthemarinecor]

um prove that its deadly alanorr? How about the fact that it's been used for 2000+ years of war, and is still in use by the chinese military special forces. Oh and never mind the fact that all the shit you see in UFC is meant to NOT KILL. There is a big difference between fighting arts and martial arts. Fighting arts are for two people in a ring with rules. Martial arts are fast, deadly and meant to cripple or kill.

[alanorrchusaulei]

No offense but it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about, are you very young? Do you have videos from war where Hung Gar is used to kill people? Any stories of war by genuine war veterans that would support what you are saying? No? I thought so. So I shoud just take your word that Hung Gar is the deadly art of war...NOT!

[S1t2e3f4a5n6o7]

the way u r commenting sounds like little children fighting over toys n candies..

never say anything that u dun know.. martial arts is not use only 4 war but also for peace..

it is d discipline for d mind and body..d strikes are lame but never underestimate d force it delivers..

d energy n force comes from what we called "tenja"..like i'd tell you what dat is..

i would not like to fight head-on with this people eventhough i m d master in my own field of expertise..

[efme45]

the way you type looks like a little child banging on a keyboard. how dare you say the strikes are "lame". id like to see you take a blow from a hung gar sifu, then we'll see how "lame" it is.

[1234iluvthemarinecor]

Gong Fu was used by the chinese back before film was invented, you're not going to find any videos of it used in war my friend. The technology didn't exist. And fyi I'm not sure how many 2000 year old war vets you expect to find :P. And I wouldn't say that Hung Gar is a war art specifically, no. It was brought from Shaolin and is a Gong Fu that has been made to be mainly used man to man.

[FrankyLau]

one hung gar guy fought a few mma fights even in UFC and won..so what ?

[evildrgo]

Interesting comment. In a street fight of HG vs. UFC, I'd pick the 5% in Arrohand. Don't discount a form, until you've studies all the applications. The old school forms all have double and triple meanings. I have countered many MMA attacks with unmodified moves from Gung Gee. Usually have to hold back on the counter attacks cause it would cause serious damage... :)

[alanorrchusaulei]

Run a search for John F Springer a master of Hung Gar of 40 years got beat up in a parking lot by a BJJ blue belt.

I don't believe a word you people say until I see video of you doing more than some ridiculous moves in a horse stance. Put up or shut up.

[FrankyLau]

I agree ..its poor excuses to say Kung Fu is too deadly force or ring fighting..but the concept of kung fu styles is not suitable for competition fights..specially mma..

however outside the ring its a different story..just because u enter mma fights u dont have the right to put down cma..

kung fu its not a ring sport..period

[synthapete]

@alanorrchusaulei Soooo a BJJ dude can beat up a 60 year old? Whoopity fucking doo.

Wing Lam is a Master. Respect.

[monkeywyk]

wao! excellent!!great movie!

[facio70]

Hi, this is great. Do you have kung gee fook fu kuen, by any chance?

cheers

[Astaroth315]

hey dude thx for the vid i forget this form xD

[chibat666]

i am a new student to hung gar and just learned this basic form this was a good refrence thank you for posting

[crannogdog]

Qite similar to Siu Lim Tao from our Wing Chun first form :)

[diegowushu]

Sifu Lam is great! Thanks for posting.

[metegol2006]

keep posting,great video!