There were a lot of aftermarket multiple carb intakes for the flatheads, notably the Offenhauser. They invariably ran the Stromberg 97 carbs. But I've never seen anything quite like this manifold. Looks to be some adaptation of the long ram high rises Chrysler was playing with in the 60s.
@39LIMEY Very hard to find the Lincoln flathead, even back in the day. You must have used the Zephyr gears too - the Ford transmission wouldn't take that torque.
@slowpokebr549 the Caddy and LaSalle had flatheads , but the exhaust exited out up by the intake manifold. Flat Fords had three pipes out the side like this one has.
real car, real motor,real tires,real seats, real steering wheel. all on a "reaL car of the good past.
heck even fans where made better back then. same with motorcycles. pilot a 1930-40"s german army motorcycle like steve mcqueen rode in the great escape. pure real machines.
Awesome ! Seemed to me that it wasn't easy to overtake ..... and I love the way the driver's seat is set far back, or is that my imagination ? Either way, cool car , legal or not, who cares ? It puts a smile on people's faces, well, maybe not everybody, but you try wiping mine off of my face : -) Anna.
Nope - That's not from "Hot Rod Lincoln" That's the end of the song "Hot Rod Race" by Jimmy Dolan - 1951 Damn cool song about a race between a hot rod Ford & a souped up Mercury.. but in the end they both get beat by a kid in a hopped up Model A "Yeah, just a hopped-up Model A " It's meant to be ironic & funny, because the Ford & the Merc that race in the song were both V8-powered cars, yet in the end they both get beat by a 4-cylinder Model A
Looks cool but seems slow to me. Best way to make a Ford fast is take the motor off and put a chevy in it. I would take that motor off and put one of my corvette motors in it.
and then watch that tiny frame twist as you fly past and you wreck your rod. good luck surviving that. i bet you would also want a stereo system in the trunk.
what does a 572 and a barbie doll have in common? they both come out of a box!!! get your girly emo hands dirty and build something REAL, Mr Atreyu1611.
thats why you box the frame, and believe me that 572 will be my stereo...won't even be able to hear you as I fly by with open headers...and actually it's a crate, and the funny thing is I'm an apprentice mechanic right now and my hands can barly be clean, so get off your computer and stop reading about cars and start working on them
box the frame? did you get that off the show American Hotrod? listen son, i've fixed and rebuilt more engines than you have probably creamed your tight emo jeans over while browsing youtube.
and FYI a crate is a wooden box. i think you should go back to school and doi drugs with your emo friends.
Last engine I rebuilt was 440 bored over, with high comp pistons and a high performance cam, Timing gears, High rise intake with a blower to top it off..I have been building engines/working on cars for almost 10 years now, and where the fuck do you get I'm an emo you stupid fuck, unlike you I can't wear tight jeans cuz I actually have something in between my legs..I'm a fucking metal head so get it right, done school and I have no emo friends so looks like your comment went to shit pretty quick
i bet all those 440 parts were brand new out of a catalogue. try carrying an oxy-acetylene outfit through a farmers field only to drag back a rusted rear axle out of a 47 powerwagon.
calm down and stop swearing. its only youtube bud, you can win em all. and if you want to be known as a metalhead. dont use an emo band for your username... emo emo emo muahaha
well I'm sorry I'm not some farmer like you, but I have actually just finished a welding school where we had to do acetylene cutting, not in some hick as farm so I know all the different sides of it, I used to work in a junkyard so I know all about hack jobs and going to collect car parts
been to school much i see? i now can see where you got your love of emo. a hick, farmer, fag like me must seem pretty stupid because i dont mention my education on youtube. but i have the balls to let anyone post on my profile without having to approve for insecurity purposes. emo emo emo emo emo ahaha
We had topped it off with a twin screw supercharger, with a Holley 175 Blower, with a 12lb pulley to get 7-8lbs boost...anything else you wann know...or did I confuse you
Umm a supercharger IS a blower so you wouldn't have "a twin screw supercharger WITH a Holley 175 blower".You don't seem to have done as much as you have copied from a magazine lol
yes you know it's possible to work on cars before you go to school, I started help work on cars in grade 8 all the way through highschool and into my apprenticeship program, so yes 10 years
What did the Law have against that? Looks perfectly reasonable transport to me. I've been to Billing for the past 3 years, bloody good show. Shame I can't get insured on a V8 Model A or something...
The cop gave it all the no windscreen bs & fly's in your eyes bollox, we should have mentioned Land Rovers with folding screens & motorcycles have the same problem but didn't want to aggrivate the situation, sometimes its better to say yes officer you know everything.
It infuriates me the way these young arrogant idiots are given the badge of the law and try to tell everyone whats right and whats not, half the time they are guessing (i should know I work with coppers everyday!)
It needs a dead rat in a rat trap and a Skull to make it perfect. And it needs a giant shifter with a piston for a handle coming out of the top of the car!! Awesome!!!
ctyboy2008,if your so hooked on russia,hop the next plane to russia and fuck off. At age 23 you have no idea what you are even looking at,much less the history of AMERICAN HOT RODS !
Lincoln 337 flathead ? Looks like a FORD 337truck engine to me. Runs like one too. The 337 Lincoln engine in a 1949 to 1951 Lincoln car ran a lot better than this rat rod ! Nice to see a 337, wither it be a Ford truck, industrial, (1943 to 1951 ) or Lincoln engine in a " A-V8 " hot rod.
Definately a Lincoln 337 i've known the '49 Cosmopolitan it came out of for over 20 yrs, 337 truck motor is the same animal! They probably did run better in '49 but 59 yrs later & never been rebuilt yes its worn out.
Just been rebuilt with some hard to find speed equipment & sounds pretty good.
very nice..i just bought a 1940 ford p/u with original flatheard and tranny...i believe someone has changed the gear ratio in the rearend though.. 50-55 mph tops ... what gear ratio are you running? i'm thinking about changing mine. thx
This guy also owns the 36' Lincoln Zephyr rat I filmed on my profile..
bunklefee 5 months ago
how fast you was?
It looks fast! ;D
Palestinow 1 year ago
Gotta love cruisin
ChevyToughRebel 1 year ago
Cool! GET"R"DONE & Keep it between the ditches!
RebelStangII 1 year ago
I don't believe I've ever seen an old coupe chopped and channeled this much.
MrStrictlyStock 1 year ago
There were a lot of aftermarket multiple carb intakes for the flatheads, notably the Offenhauser. They invariably ran the Stromberg 97 carbs. But I've never seen anything quite like this manifold. Looks to be some adaptation of the long ram high rises Chrysler was playing with in the 60s.
MrStrictlyStock 1 year ago
what is this car called?
ANDRELATAYTAY 2 years ago
Ok, I sure thought it was long for a flathead.
slowpokebr549 2 years ago
@slowpokebr549 If youwant to see long, check out a Lincoln V-12 sometime. I believe the Auburn made a V-24 in the mid-late 30s - now that's long!
MrStrictlyStock 1 year ago
hard to get a good look, I only count four wires though. Still looks awful long to me.
slowpokebr549 2 years ago
Yeah it is a Ford flatty... but its the bigger 337 from a '49 Lincoln, much larger than the more popular 8BA style.
39LIMEY 2 years ago
@39LIMEY Very hard to find the Lincoln flathead, even back in the day. You must have used the Zephyr gears too - the Ford transmission wouldn't take that torque.
MrStrictlyStock 1 year ago
Block looks too long to be a flathead ford, I think it is a Cadillac 12.
slowpokebr549 2 years ago
It's a flat head ford. 3 exhaust runners, and notice the cooling hoses coming straight up, and forward to the radiator.
philyt 2 years ago
@slowpokebr549 the Caddy and LaSalle had flatheads , but the exhaust exited out up by the intake manifold. Flat Fords had three pipes out the side like this one has.
505197 2 years ago
lol mabe he was driving it to the dumb ha ha ha ha shita!
a1b2c3d4e5f67587484k 2 years ago
Talk about back seat drivers! The State H.P. must be building that thing with you on the weekends.
jeffreyrbuse 2 years ago
nice rat
duppygun 2 years ago
What?! Bwahahahhahahahhaha ! Ok "bbrand" whatever ,hahahaha oh brother !
BillyKnockout 2 years ago
whoever fuckin says fail is a faggot. go home you nerd
bbrand2010 2 years ago
Way cool. Wish she was mine!
mrfifer 2 years ago
nice touch having the exhaust poke out
ballm0use 2 years ago
wowee wawazat!!!!! awesome ride!!! old school fosho!!!
ushouldntjudgeme 2 years ago
Fail.
BillyKnockout 2 years ago
nice motor sounds like a german bomber plane
fordjailbar 2 years ago 5
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U cats actually think this stupid wreck is cool? cmon now!
BillyKnockout 2 years ago
First off...it wasn't built for you, but I am willing to bet the owner would smile from ear to ear to find your so annoyed by it.
and yes...it's way beyond cool
pulppeeler 2 years ago
Felicitacions no me canso de ver este video muy bueno!!!
vblown 2 years ago
A beauty.
Keep the rods alive forever.
Photoshopper9 3 years ago 3
real car, real motor,real tires,real seats, real steering wheel. all on a "reaL car of the good past.
heck even fans where made better back then. same with motorcycles. pilot a 1930-40"s german army motorcycle like steve mcqueen rode in the great escape. pure real machines.
lukeslandspeeder 3 years ago
Flatheads for life!!
SheriffSkank 3 years ago
Sick Ass Rod!!
Bajabrnc 3 years ago
it would be legal here in tennessee..i own a couple..
centervilletn 3 years ago
Where was this?
andykulka 3 years ago
In the UK near Oxford!
39LIMEY 3 years ago
Awesome ! Seemed to me that it wasn't easy to overtake ..... and I love the way the driver's seat is set far back, or is that my imagination ? Either way, cool car , legal or not, who cares ? It puts a smile on people's faces, well, maybe not everybody, but you try wiping mine off of my face : -) Anna.
MemphisMaiden 3 years ago
Street legal?
rbecker2007 3 years ago
if you mean can it out run the cops, yes. without a fucking sweat.
AtrumVerum 3 years ago
What a cool machine. I love it
panzr 3 years ago
Mpala67 3 years ago
Well i looked in th mirror n I saw somethin comin,
thought it was plane by the way it was a-runnin,
hummin along at a terrible pace
an I knew right then it was the end of the race.
When he flew by us I turned the other way
and the guy in the Mercury had nothin to say..
For it was a kid, in a hopped up Model A..
Yeah, just a hopped up Model A...
Mpala67 3 years ago
is this from the clampets lol... its sad that i remember that
280zx2by2 3 years ago
is it a flat head V6?
280zx2by2 3 years ago
Its a flathead V8 valve in block, the two center valves use a common port to exit the block... hence only three exhaust ports per side!
39LIMEY 3 years ago
thank you lol never knew that
280zx2by2 3 years ago
so do you own both cars if not
your racing someone!
heheh
bluebutdude1 3 years ago
Nice video.. Thanks.
rpeek 3 years ago
Very cool car. I could drive that for days.
70camaro406 3 years ago 2
welding school and rat rods are the shit nuf said!!
shuaninja420 3 years ago
Looks cool but seems slow to me. Best way to make a Ford fast is take the motor off and put a chevy in it. I would take that motor off and put one of my corvette motors in it.
alex369 3 years ago
That thing is amazing, my dream car...maybe with a 572 if I ever win the lottery
Atreyu1611 3 years ago
572 boo put a real engine in it like a flathad or an inline 6.
Ratbiker 3 years ago
ohh ya a 572 stock with 750hp is not a real engine at all huh, you keep your inline 6 and have fun with that, while I fly past you with my 572
Atreyu1611 3 years ago
and then watch that tiny frame twist as you fly past and you wreck your rod. good luck surviving that. i bet you would also want a stereo system in the trunk.
what does a 572 and a barbie doll have in common? they both come out of a box!!! get your girly emo hands dirty and build something REAL, Mr Atreyu1611.
Ratbiker 3 years ago
Hahahahaha!
39LIMEY 3 years ago
thats why you box the frame, and believe me that 572 will be my stereo...won't even be able to hear you as I fly by with open headers...and actually it's a crate, and the funny thing is I'm an apprentice mechanic right now and my hands can barly be clean, so get off your computer and stop reading about cars and start working on them
Atreyu1611 3 years ago
box the frame? did you get that off the show American Hotrod? listen son, i've fixed and rebuilt more engines than you have probably creamed your tight emo jeans over while browsing youtube.
and FYI a crate is a wooden box. i think you should go back to school and doi drugs with your emo friends.
Ratbiker 3 years ago
Last engine I rebuilt was 440 bored over, with high comp pistons and a high performance cam, Timing gears, High rise intake with a blower to top it off..I have been building engines/working on cars for almost 10 years now, and where the fuck do you get I'm an emo you stupid fuck, unlike you I can't wear tight jeans cuz I actually have something in between my legs..I'm a fucking metal head so get it right, done school and I have no emo friends so looks like your comment went to shit pretty quick
Atreyu1611 3 years ago
i bet all those 440 parts were brand new out of a catalogue. try carrying an oxy-acetylene outfit through a farmers field only to drag back a rusted rear axle out of a 47 powerwagon.
calm down and stop swearing. its only youtube bud, you can win em all. and if you want to be known as a metalhead. dont use an emo band for your username... emo emo emo muahaha
Ratbiker 3 years ago
well I'm sorry I'm not some farmer like you, but I have actually just finished a welding school where we had to do acetylene cutting, not in some hick as farm so I know all the different sides of it, I used to work in a junkyard so I know all about hack jobs and going to collect car parts
Atreyu1611 3 years ago
lol youre still talking!
been to school much i see? i now can see where you got your love of emo. a hick, farmer, fag like me must seem pretty stupid because i dont mention my education on youtube. but i have the balls to let anyone post on my profile without having to approve for insecurity purposes. emo emo emo emo emo ahaha
Ratbiker 3 years ago
sounds like you dont know shit about what your talking about what type of blower was it running then?
253UC 3 years ago
We had topped it off with a twin screw supercharger, with a Holley 175 Blower, with a 12lb pulley to get 7-8lbs boost...anything else you wann know...or did I confuse you
Atreyu1611 3 years ago
Umm a supercharger IS a blower so you wouldn't have "a twin screw supercharger WITH a Holley 175 blower".You don't seem to have done as much as you have copied from a magazine lol
nzdragme 3 years ago
wait i missed this 1 your an apprentice mechanic but youve been building motors for 10 years sounds like bs to me...
253UC 3 years ago
yes you know it's possible to work on cars before you go to school, I started help work on cars in grade 8 all the way through highschool and into my apprenticeship program, so yes 10 years
Atreyu1611 3 years ago
not the USA, Australia?
powersliding 3 years ago
In the UK! :-)
39LIMEY 3 years ago
uuuhh yeah, takes whats american and beat'em
powersliding 3 years ago
Damn!! Flathead can scoot!! Nice vid.
Jurgy777 3 years ago
5 stars and an "atta Boy!" to the builder!!!!
steveinbelgium 3 years ago
Flathead ford FTW!!!!
Flatheads are underrated just as much as SBC's are overrated
1970bosshemi 3 years ago
I love flatheads!
350 SBC are over used, not really over-rated.
They're popular because of their versatility.
Me? I'll stick to my 396 BBC!
50chevyguy 3 years ago
thats a flathead ya goofy guy
kevinsbuick 3 years ago
i'm suprised, only a v6.
caprimentle 3 years ago
Its a flathead V8 valve in block, the two center valves use a common port to exit the block... hence only three exhaust ports per side!
39LIMEY 3 years ago
aahhh, thats quite interesting, ta for that.
caprimentle 3 years ago
christ thats low!
lamage89 3 years ago
not low enough.
Ratbiker 3 years ago
ohhh goodness that thing is sexxy
GraveShifterSkeeter 3 years ago
rat rods rule!!! kustom kulture
DoorGunner808 3 years ago 2
whoa.. looks like that thing rolled outta hell!
kmhergohom 3 years ago 5
Great sound. But I'm thinking that rod could be capable of something like 150mph? Don't fancy taking evasive on those ol' skinnies! :-O
;-)
wordreet 3 years ago 2
I mean ...Thats the way it's done!!! Hot Damn!
ntesla66 3 years ago
why are you calling me a dumbass? people theese days wow..
noremorse126 3 years ago 4
cool, my dad had one of those. selled it thou, for alot! :D
simonrunkar93 3 years ago
you cant get anybetter sound than a flathead :]
mattkempharo 3 years ago 5
thats scary!
HoracePL 3 years ago
That hot rod that "sounds like a plane" just took you lol. Nice Video
HotNastySpeed 3 years ago
love rat rods
harley145000 3 years ago 2
omg thats amazing its so fucking fast
noremorse126 3 years ago 2
this car is freakin wild. just plan nutty and badass
indawaitinroom 3 years ago
that looks good
nukiwimet 3 years ago 2
Straight out of the TV show The Munsters. Looks like something grandpa would design lol.
EnigmaNZ1 3 years ago
you know you have arrived when you sit as far back in the cabin as possible...bitchin!
pentimonerestoration 3 years ago
this reminds me of the song hot rod lincoln!!!
'he says hes seeing spots well its because the lines on the road look just like dots'
1964corvan 3 years ago
The light poles look like a picket fence!
Detoyato 3 years ago
nice Rat rod! :D
fourstar7 3 years ago
That's the point.
billville111 3 years ago
if you built it
nice job
My7EatsV8s 3 years ago 2
wasnt that jimmy shine's car?
sanderk12345 3 years ago
Haha i don't think he'd be seen in this one :-)
39LIMEY 3 years ago
hahah. it actuall sounds like a prop plane passing. gorgeous. wish i could have seen the cherry car taking the vid.
zjt310 3 years ago
it´s to low i like high boys
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hrspwrprofiles 3 years ago
that's low even lower than glconet
kyosho94 3 years ago
That a model A? Looks like you're in Limey land. Where you off to? Billing or something? Or just out for a blast?
1959BB 3 years ago
As it happens we was on our way to Billing until the Law decided otherwise :-)
good guess!
39LIMEY 3 years ago
What did the Law have against that? Looks perfectly reasonable transport to me. I've been to Billing for the past 3 years, bloody good show. Shame I can't get insured on a V8 Model A or something...
1959BB 3 years ago
The cop gave it all the no windscreen bs & fly's in your eyes bollox, we should have mentioned Land Rovers with folding screens & motorcycles have the same problem but didn't want to aggrivate the situation, sometimes its better to say yes officer you know everything.
39LIMEY 3 years ago
Yep - because he knew everything, that made the copper a COMPLETE CNUT ;) ;)
TachyonDriver 3 years ago 3
It infuriates me the way these young arrogant idiots are given the badge of the law and try to tell everyone whats right and whats not, half the time they are guessing (i should know I work with coppers everyday!)
mickeymoose76 3 years ago 3
A pity it wouldn't be able to get over speed bumps! Pretty cool though.
neraru 3 years ago
I think rat rods are the missing link between art cars and hot rods. Yes?
HunterMann 3 years ago
It needs a dead rat in a rat trap and a Skull to make it perfect. And it needs a giant shifter with a piston for a handle coming out of the top of the car!! Awesome!!!
fiddlerpin 3 years ago
Look at the headers dumpin soot on the door, thats what hardcore rodz are all about, blood, sweat, and tears.
birdmankustomz666 3 years ago
u did a good job of holding the camera while going that fast.
XboobtubeX 3 years ago
sick lookin car man!
love to have one of those
Fastback91 3 years ago
what was u drivin???
lollerdelolenlol 3 years ago
'39 coupe :-)
39LIMEY 3 years ago
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dusty old thing could use a new paint job
StevoElsupremo 3 years ago
very disrespectful!, that is a classic, oh man to just be cruisin down the road wit the wind in my hair, and my butt in a rod!
malakaijub 3 years ago
are you kidding?
markab71 3 years ago
...er..that's kind of the point of a Rat Rod! ;)
TachyonDriver 3 years ago 2
wow, what an absolutely ridiculous looking rat rod! absolutely awesome haha :D
steelwagon6 3 years ago
That's a rat rod,but still gr8!
isomikieee 3 years ago
cool to see it where it belongs....on the road running. cool vid. 5 stars.
REHJR2008 3 years ago
can't believe it! so beautiful.
luxOculta 3 years ago 2
yee haa look at the flathead haul awsome video
snaggletooth1351 3 years ago
wow thats one hell of a car! i'd love to have one just like it!
mykle15 3 years ago
yea but they are driving it on british road
arudge69 3 years ago
rare to see one in britain
arudge69 3 years ago
It's probably because we're overrun with speed bumps and potholes. You couldn't drive it round here... well you could, but you'd cry a lot.
zuspadt 3 years ago
@arudge69 There are loads of them in the UK, just go to the Hayride..
bunklefee 5 months ago
ctyboy2008,if your so hooked on russia,hop the next plane to russia and fuck off. At age 23 you have no idea what you are even looking at,much less the history of AMERICAN HOT RODS !
smoothie6ft3 3 years ago
Ditto smoothie ditto!
39LIMEY 3 years ago
that's the coolest fkin car i ve ever seen
diondrechsler 3 years ago
commie
chevyissicknasty 3 years ago
As Martha would say,...."It's a good thing"
debaucheryBotched 3 years ago
That my friends is the epoitme of cool!
ChromeRust 3 years ago
its called a RatRod, i guess you could call it the poor mans hotrod except its not cheap
thefarfarone 3 years ago 4
you need to be a vampire to drive such a car
caraccer 3 years ago 2
Who needs Fenders? pfft yeah right.
Ford1801 3 years ago
motherf''ker! U cant get any cooler than that. Want a rod like that, really. really bad.
el6milonguero 3 years ago 4
Very cool!
bugz4me 3 years ago
wat were u drivin?
10CEDD 4 years ago
39 Ford coupe :-)
39LIMEY 4 years ago
Older. Maybe 31'. It's a Rat Rod ! Very popular. No rules in what you put together. Many older speed parts from years ago.
Auggie56 3 years ago
no ur rite, its a flat head v8
hypercordz 4 years ago
Yeah its the big Lincoln 337ci
39LIMEY 4 years ago
Lincoln 337 flathead ? Looks like a FORD 337truck engine to me. Runs like one too. The 337 Lincoln engine in a 1949 to 1951 Lincoln car ran a lot better than this rat rod ! Nice to see a 337, wither it be a Ford truck, industrial, (1943 to 1951 ) or Lincoln engine in a " A-V8 " hot rod.
1950F8 3 years ago
Definately a Lincoln 337 i've known the '49 Cosmopolitan it came out of for over 20 yrs, 337 truck motor is the same animal! They probably did run better in '49 but 59 yrs later & never been rebuilt yes its worn out.
Just been rebuilt with some hard to find speed equipment & sounds pretty good.
39LIMEY 3 years ago
Am I crazy or the car is powered by a Flathead
Ford V-8???
abhronsius69 4 years ago
Siiiick. I want one!
SnDin9 4 years ago
I like how the exhausts leave that sooty residue on the side of the hotrod, such a machine
RobbieStott 4 years ago
rat rod
vivalarey619 4 years ago
That is one cool video!!!!
JoeLifGard 4 years ago
this is sum mean sh!t bro!! c0ol!
nofgood 4 years ago
This is from England?!
getbiggergeeks 4 years ago
Sure is...
39LIMEY 4 years ago
Awesome..
thebroomers 4 years ago
sweet , where's the power
kpj200 4 years ago
Looks cool but how can you see infront of you?
Energonorama 4 years ago
Arkie Shibley went so hard! So does this rod!
starchief59 4 years ago
perfect place to drive
sourman91 4 years ago
Beautiful, I like the rough look of rat rods. Has a great sound, and it was really cruisin' for a while there.
JCHigginsSuperDeluxe 4 years ago
Low N Loud Just the way god intended them to be.....two thumbs up and 5 stars man...Badass ride.
capridrifter 4 years ago
Beauty in it's raw form =)
JCHigginsSuperDeluxe 4 years ago
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that thing is ugly as shit
sertoow 4 years ago
Now thats channelled! Well cool great vid.
19671958 4 years ago
SWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet......ummh, sorry but I liked it.
tatersgravy 4 years ago
"son you're gonna drive me to drinkin"
39LIMEY 4 years ago
what year is the car the camera is in..looks like a 1940 ford or simialr?
killingtime2night 4 years ago
39 std still runnin a flathead too! ;-)
39LIMEY 4 years ago
very nice..i just bought a 1940 ford p/u with original flatheard and tranny...i believe someone has changed the gear ratio in the rearend though.. 50-55 mph tops ... what gear ratio are you running? i'm thinking about changing mine. thx
killingtime2night 4 years ago