@jonnyb1900 hummers are the joke of the 4x4 world? loll only land rover owner will be so low class to say that..:) may be that's why u drive defender and i drive H1 alpha :)
@REAL4wd i drive a Land Cruiser actually, and if i were given a choice between the said Land Rover Defender and the Hummer H1 Alpha i would go for the defender, why you ask ? because its 4x4 ability is superior as standard to the H1a, its more cost effective, its more practical, and lastly, because its not (insert bad word here) ugly, but i will concede the H1a does look like a beast .
@jonnyb1900 here is the thing, i own 2 classic range rovers , and one of them is with diesel motor , and i own few hummers, i know what defender can and cant do, defender is 98% like classic , i use the hummer and the land rover offroad,, let me give u somthing to think about it, my hummer is 2 inch lower and 2 ft wider than my rover, with 18" ground clearance,65% less chance to roll over . that's just one example, 50 more to go, :) :)
@jonnyb1900 i am not trying to advertise a hummer, but its just the way it is, regardless land rover fans like it or not,, HUMMER H1 is made to be used offroad every day under very hard conditions. DEFENDER is just a farm truck being used by the army.
dont get me wrong i love the defender and i will get one for me this year, but don't challenge with the hummer h1 offroad,
@REAL4wd All 4x4's have their good points and bad points, but as we both know, the car can only do so much, most of it is down to the driver, And yes i'd agree with you, the defender is "just a farm truck" but at a selling price of £25k (for the mid range ones) its a darn lot cheaper than the $150k Hummer, but i stick with my main point, the driver is too blame for many of either 4x4s reputation, but i think we can safely say that when the production stops for both, its a sad day for us
lads you doing a great job out there yous dont need extra protection remember the yanks are thick as pig shit there bullet bags just let them soak up the bullets for you
Stock Hummers can go anywhere too, but these are the uparmored hummers designed to combat the IEDs and survive incoming fire. If that Landy gets hit by an IED, no one will survive. The Hummer gets hit by the same IED, (hopefully) 75 to 100% of the occupants will survive.
@razvan1966 of course i don't mind! i'm always happy to hear of the very many unacknowledged contributions to the allied war effort. Thanks for sharing the information friend.
@MrEthekyaa So you're saying you'd rather have a higher risk of death then get stuck in the mud once or twice with a large armored 360 degree 50 caliber browning atop?
@jackhedger they are but it'll be a long while yet as the G wagon is being slowly phased in so the land rover will be around for a bit longer, probably find that the initial batch will be for replacing unimogs and other medium to large trucks which were always mercedes anyway. When the land rovers are replaced I'll be the first to go to the auction yards.
land rovers stil not good enuf, i would be willing to pay a little more tax vat or what ever if the government would give u guys better vehicles with more protection, not a humvee like cos u even said ther useless on the tracks but mabye something on caterpiller tracks or just bulkier, mabye u should all get tanks that would solve the ied problem mabye , but just looking ive seen american videos of ied's blowing up next to them and they can handle it to a degree.
nein nein nein. HAVE A G WAGEN inbetween both. brilliant stronger than landy, less clumbersome than hummer. tubular chassis can take armour plate. merc turbo diesel better than others engines. the french use them under peugeout brand name, and most other eu countries do.
i love the way a 41 year old yank prick has to think he is better and keep up his wikipedia use to try and win dont you just want to blow up americans like him?
It's not that we better or not - it's about you cannot accept that something could be superior to british. You can tell fairytale about your superiority to third world - aka 'former British empire'.
We do have Rovers here and well aware what they are.
What is this idiot compare in the video - soft skin Defender to ARMORED HMMWV?
Why not to Snatch? How is Snatch does in mud?
Go to sleep dummy - you spent whole night drooling over keyboard .
im guessing you are nothing but a child im also guessin you have no other half as you have spent over an hour arguing with me cos i no my other half would be pretty pissed of if she wasnt sleepin.Not realy cos you were speaking out of your arse go to bed its almost 10 where you are
I know technology is something you don't like but you should know at least this much - you can open TWO (and more) windows on your computer. I'm working in the other window...
Why don't you mind your 'half' - you spent entire night arguing online. How sick is that?
To all you Britfags: We, America are YOUR fault. We are your fail. And how. You're basically jealous of our success.
About the Landrovers vs. the hummers, the way i see it, the Hummers have one thing on the landies: width. You won't see a HMMWV tip as often as you will a Landie. They cant sell the Landrover Defender in the US anymore because the fuckers tip. I say make those things wider if you're so smart, Britain!
@phrawgg2 Jeeps and Rovers kick ass over any Hummer. Hummers on any given day offroading here in the 4-corners pale in comparrison. The Hummers are some of the most miserable engineering ever conceived in a vehicle.
Now that Hummer is owned by a Chinese company you can expect your wide assed vehicle to be even less reliable and durable.
The situations you would have a Hummer in where you worry of being off-canter the Hummer cannot hack in the first place. Pathetic, penis envy garbage.
@numerus As a former owner of half a dozen of Jeeps and Rover all I can say - they not even come close to real Hummer. If they would - there would be no reason for Jeep owners to heavily modify them before even considering going off-road. Why do you need wider tires when you put lift kit ? Why new Jeeps gets wider and longer? H1 and HMMWV made by AM General and designed by Jeep engineers. AM General has nothing to do with GM and Chinese - you sir are complete idiot.
We are that smart, that's why US special forces use the Jackal not hummers. Landrover has better speed, mobility and good firepower Vs the hummers restricted visability, less ground clearance and less speed, I know which I would rather be in Mr USGAY.
it has nothing to do with stabilty its air bags if it was stabilty we would have many more accidents here as we have corners that you take at more than 30 mph not just endless straight roads
well im guessing it isnt because we dont sell unsafe cars in this country the reason there be no air bags is because the landrover design hasnt change in 40 years so no room for them.
Hummers are different they are built in america so get away with not having them as they are not an import if defenders are so shit why do so many americans come over here and buy 20 year old ones to take back with them
learn you can registar a landy from overseas as long as it is 25 years or older and original and that would be 15 years or older in canada learn your laws
The basic layout of a landy hasnt changed just improved you do not have a clue i have lived with a series 2 landy since i was born i know much about its history and how to repair them
I love Internet - everyone is 'an expert'. Jackass, you can register old vehicle as a 'historic' - not but not as a daily driver. How is 'basic' layout of Land Rover any different from Jeep or G-wagon or UAZ etc? So suspension (most important part) did not changed? How about shitty turning radius and lack of lockers?
the landrover suspension started as leaf springs and then changed to coils learn bitch.
landrovers dont seem to need lockers to go off road as i have said have had landrovers around me my whole life and the g wagon was a copy of the landrover to hence why it looks so similar
Damn. you slow - that right it was coils I was talking about. Land Rovers don't need lockers when you babbling online. It seems that they do when you drive them in real life. G-wagon was a 'copy' of LR? Really? The Steyr Puch made 4x4's decade before anyone heard of Land Rover.
and you be a 41 year old hummer driver so im guessing it is close to your bedtime grow up if you dont like landrovers why do you watch videos about them
we just wanted you for cannon fodder and you yanks only got involved in the war because you had already sold zyclone b and fuel additives to the nazis and realised they were teaming up with the japs and would rape you we in britain would have been safe from invasion it has been proved by nato
Chamberlain signs treaty with Hitlers, sells Czech, Poles just to realize that UK is next.
Didn't japs took your colonies - short memory?
Retard - NATO 'proved' in exercise. The history never proved it. You got nothing of your own. All they had to do - built more U-boat and simply starve you.
we tried to stop the war before it got europe wide at least we didnt help by selling them zyclone b and additives for the fuel that went in their bombers learn some of your countrys history america always wanted in to the war but the people didnt want it so they let pearl harbour happen and approval went up over night
that 3.9 engine you speak of started life in 1969 and was found in an american boatyard by the then boss of rover who bought the rights to use the engine this engine started life as a small block 3.5 litre v8 which was then worked on to get more Bhp and was made upto 5 litres it was used in rovers to tvrs learn your history stop using wikipedia
its an engine that buick didnt want as it was to small for you fucktards to get any decent power out of (as you cant tune an engine to save your lives) it this engine lived for over 40 years powering half of britain when the engine was brought rover was in money troubles as they always were due to idiots in charge so found somthing that would have never have been used by you yanks
So how come you couldn't come up with your own engine,transmission? How come it took BMW and Ford to resolve Lucas (aka King of Darkness) issues? How come you still fly in C-130 and CH-47's? Your mouth is lot bigger then your abilities...
we use what is proven not what is deemed to be better america would not win a fair fight anywhere in the world without tech where as we would kick your arse without tech
Has it ever strike you that Humvee is around for the last 25 years? 50+ Armed Forces around the globe use Humvee. Spain,Turkey, Switzerland,China, Russia, India,Ukraine manufacture vehicles on Humvee chassis or concept.
and has it not occured to you that landrover has been around for 60 years and is used by 50+ militarys around the world most of the armies you state also use landrovers because they can go places mummers cant as this video proves
For slow thinkers - it has at least a ton of extra weight. Even the guy in the video said it's better protected. There is a video 'H1(unarmored) vs. D90' - see how D-90 measures up.
I've seen D-90 rolled over where H1 would go 30 mph without stopping short while ago - choke on it!
yes i have seen that video and if you look to 90 driver doesnt know what he was doing if it was a 110 versus the hummer it would have been fair wheel base is everything.
when he says better protection it is in comparison to the current unarmoured landy he is in.
what is it with you yanks and my car is bigger so its better you have no idea why is it that the american rangers use landrovers and not hummers?
So when Brit compares apples to oranges - it's fare?
US Rangers use Humvees just as well.
Actually it is you who don't have idea why US Rangers use landrovers - inability to fit Humvee inside helicopter. Russians wouldn't have this issue - would they?
@phrawgg2 Defenders are not sold in the U.S because they dont have airbags. Defenders have a quite low centre of gravity actually ergo the dont tip over easily at all.
but in all seriousness i am assuming this video was taken earlyer in the war in afghanistan. becuase arnt most of the deaths in afghanistan from IED's? the land rover doesnt look like it offers much pertection in that aspect.
America can fuck up UK in a week!!!, you think you can beat US? one of the most highly armed nation on earth? whilst your people shoot water pistols for fun and training? Ok then go to America and single handedly fight 10 american and see if you can beat them, cos thats the number that outnumberes you, fucking retard english bastards
dont you know that the sas go to america to train you rangers and seals and the rangers have also been to a gurka assault course that takes the gurkas 30 mins to do and it took the rangers 2 hours plus we would kick your arse in a fair fight thats why you buy weapons from us Britain = armour of the world
countrys send troops every where around the world to train with other forces. britain sent a large armoured force to suffield alberta canada to train fromt he canadians. does this mean canada is better no.
Britain sends troops to train in canada because we dont have the space i know this because i have friends and family in the military and have been told stories of people dying on these trainin missions
@IMnotSAS Come see if you can take us! A lot have tried. You came and helped in WW2, but only after you saw which side was winning - and you let what (to you) was an ethnically inferior nation, sink half your pacific nv, despite we gave you radar and told you it was about to happen? Maybe you should know and trust your friends. Who do you want for mates? Oh, by the way, you did "fxxx" us up (+ most of the wrld) in 1 week - ta for the worst recession in history. Maybe we can sort it together???
The recession was man made, with the help of banks, ever wonder why they came out so well, and how the west came out of the biggest recession since the great depression so quickly? it was a way to weaken the economies of the east, look what happened to dubai, and what effects it had on china, the next great super power has been set back from its glory for at least a generation.
Yup - China is doing so bad they just bought a big chunk of Ford today. They have been snapping up US and European aquisitions right through this recession as they are the only country that has bazillions of dollars in cash just now, thanks to the West's desire for the cheapest kit over the last 2 decades. I think maybe, they have a lot more sway in this wold than you credit them - otherwise, why are "we" just watching what is happening in NK and Iran??
I wouldn't argue on 'after you saw which side was winning' but whether you realize it not - you start receiving US help way before US entered WWII on your side.
You are absolutely right - Britain got a huge amount of financial aid from US which was desperately needed. I think we were still paying it back in the 1990's. But without it we would have been in more trouble than even we were.
zyclone b had stuff in it that could only come from america if nyou type in american zeitguiste into youtube you will find out the truth of america and the corruption that is involved. The rangers use landrovers it is a well know fact outside america and also they did a piece on them in one of the landrover magazines a few years ago because the guy who ordered the hummers didnt see if they would fit in the choppers first
Germans started to mass produce 'zyclone B' in 1942. Do you really believe that US sold anything to Germany in 1942?
Few dozens of Defenders used by US Army Rangers does not mean 'Britain = armour of the world' . Not to mention that Defenders are not 'armour' and UK is only on 7-th place in weapons sales. Pentagon (not the guy didn't see) dropped requirement for the HMMVW width. Defender magazines hardly the source for Humvee history.
Please don't look for conspiracy - I posted twice by mistake.. Flashback - Brits and French gave out Czechoslovakia to Hitler without shot fired thus encouraging him to go further with his plans. They just didn't realize his true intentions.
Your conspiracy theories don't make any sense but I smell serious grudge against America.
no grudge against america its just the rest of the world can see how corrupt the country is most americans im guessing are ok its just the people who are in power have other intrests as most have worked for big buisness aka mr bush.
i notice how you mention nothing about the payments that america demanded after the ww1 which bankrupted germany and forced a war.
We didnt need a shot fired we had seen the military build up of germany and were tryin to stop it.
So UK and France had nothing to do with German reparations after WWI ? State of German economy led to Hitler - not to war. How exactly you was trying to 'stop' Hitler - by sponsoring him to take Czechoslovakia, not including Czech in Munich convention and feeding Hitler BS about USSR being threat to him? UK government just as corrupted as US. Why exactly UK was #2 in 'Coalition of the willing' with Bush? Vietnam? How many countries you took during 'Empire' time? You full of shit mate.
we didnt want germany to pay us money as we knew they could not afford it you americans wanted the money and wouldnt take no for an answer which led to hitler which led to war
How is our goverment corrupt if you are our pm you can not have been involved in a major corporation
We did take alot of countries and if it wasnt for that half the world would still be backwards including yours.
we only went along with bush to get saddam where as you yanks are in it for the oil and building contract.
By the way, we also send you enough material without which you couldn't fight Germans.
How many CMP trucks did you get? So stop running your mouth that you could beat Germans on your own and how great you are and how 'backward' all others. Your insecurity is pathetic!
we had to pay for everything you sent us so get off your high horse america was only in the war to make money the same with every other war they sell the other side weapons (so they have a reason) then go to war with them
You fought Germans with 100's of thousands pieces US and Canadian made trucks,armor, aircraft. You were supplied with raw material ,food and fuel. That flaw of your bloodline was protected by US and Canadian Navies. 8 out of 10 Germans were killed by Soviet Army. Thanks for Merline engine! I just wonder if you could fly that engine without airfame...?
Did I say - you got all that for free? I didn't. But could you fight with just money (that you finish paying in 1990's)? True, but few German large battleships were not your biggest problem - U-boats were. You couldn't deal with them on your own. Seems that you trying to prove British role in defeating Nazi Germany . Who can deny that Brits played significant part? Same way - you couldn't do it on your own.
@superdan1875 Again, you didn't deal with U-boat on your own. US supplied you with destroyers to deal with U-boats in 1940. US and Canadian Navy played as much role as British. There is no argument that Churchill and Roosevelt were phenomenal leaders. However, Soviets played disproportional role in breaking Hitlers back. Stalin may not be my favorite person but nobody can deny his part in victory.
You are genius - wasn't these bases used to help you?
Correction - Canada was self-governed by that time. Not to mention that significant amount of Canadian ships were made in US. So as manufactures in Canada were partially American. Does name 'Chevrolet' rings the bell?
Again, you could not defeat Hitler on your own - you did not have resources, production and power. Courage of British soldiers were hardly enough to stand German war machine . Get over it!
You are genius - wasn't these bases used to help you?
Correction - Canada was self-governed by that time. Not to mention that significant amount of Canadian ships were made in US. So as manufactures in Canada were partially American. Does name 'Chevrolet' rings the bell?
Again, you could not defeat Hitler on your own - you did not have resources, production and man power. Courage of British soldiers was hardly enough to stand German war machine . Get over it
It is you who talking like Hollywood since 'Soviet Union would fell without supplies' is a 'known fact' only in Hollywood... Flashback - when Germans lost initiative at Moscow Soviets hardly receive anything from the West. Whole Lend Lease program (with US being major supplier) - accounted for about 10% of Soviet war needs. Supplies were sent through Iran and Far East just as well.
Get educated yourself before giving education 'historian'.
@123A1231 which funnily enough, got turned into a film by hollywood claiming that the Americans did it (U-571). what an insult to the heroes who performed the incredible act and you have the balls to come on here and tell us that American supplies won the war. Pull your head out of your arse you fucking Yank cunt.
@martanava1 Let me refresh your memory - Bismark was sunk after sinking Hood. Rommel lacked supplies shifted to Eastern Front and it was US made M4 that made the difference in the Desert. Until Jeep - the best thing you had was 4x2 Tilly. Not to mention that 8 out of 10 Germans were killed by Soviet Army. Go back to school and learn history you paranoid imbecile.
Why is it so difficult for America to appreciate Britains war efforts? We were at a time in our illustrious history where we could hardly bring ourselves to enter a war, yet we did. That alone is commendable because if we hadn't, Europe would be under Nazi control and along with it, the largest Empire in history. That would put the U.S in a big heap of shit. Before American resouces finally arrived, we had to use our ingenuity which we did to devastating effect.
@THErunn1ngMAN You should learn how to use YT before posting - it wasn't 'America not appreciating Britain's war effort' - it was Britain (let me rephrase - Brits) not appreciating other nations who heavily participated in WWII.
How exactly did you stop Germans from occupying Europe? Wait - you did not! You 'stopped' Germans from occupying - YOU. By the time you (with our significant help) decided to take continental Europe - Wehrmacht back was fatally broken by Soviets at Kursk.
If only a certain other nation who got passed the flag for western power after Britains demise could use their brains in the same way, they might, and thats a very big "might" get somewhere close to our achievments. Your history is to throw your abundent resources at things and hope and hope for the best (e.g. Vietnam). We've never had that luxury. So we invent. What happened their? the NVA outsmarted and outfought you. Learn from Britain, don't be jealous of her. For yours and Britain's sake.
@THErunn1ngMAN Did you mean you 'invented' Land Rover (isn't what's this video about) after receiving thousand of Lend Lease Jeep?
We lost Vietnam like you lost your whole Empire - is that what is it? Did you mean NVA 'outsmarted' us by throwing sharpened bamboo sticks into B-52's at 10000 ft? Did they threw rocks at us or fired batteries of Soviet long range 130mm guns? We lost to unlimited military budget of the former USSR.
The Empire was lost at the expense of facing up to the krauts. Having to pay America back for their supplies used up all of our gold reserves (and mainly on proposterous interest, not the raw value of the resources). Vietnam was lost on lack of experience and having the completely wrong approach. I must add that yes, without Americas intervention in WW2 we have absolutely got crushed, no doubt and any reasonable person can understand this. The difference is that we acknowledge your contribution.
The land rover? no. Although that was the vehicle of choice for the outstanding LRDG. Instead we invented the worlds first computer (still to be found in Bletchley Park) which decoded German transmissions (not known or acknowledged by nearly all Americans) and helped incredibly with winning the war. Radar and the Spitfire were invented and combined to win the BOB, The SAS were created to carry out guerilla warfare. Most of these things go unnoticed by 99% of Americans and that's the problem.
@THErunn1ngMAN Dude, the country would of get bombarded in anyway, if you had the radars or not, you were still losing, until more allies rolled in and others helped.
It is just something I know and discuss a lot with others.
@GiaJ1 Sorry my friend, firstly your grammar is horrendous so taking you seriously with regards to historical context is fairly difficult. Secondly, you need to research the BOB a little bit before commenting on other peoples posts. The U.S.A played no part whatsoever in the victory against the luftwaffe. It was British and Empire born pilots (Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc) that did so. Inventing the radar and the Spitfire were crucial to our success. No Yank help. Thanks
Yeah, I speak 5 languages, so I might have a bit difficulty in speaking English, so dont compare my intelegence to your own. Second of all, in every book you read, states that US and USSR were the most credited countries for what they did to stop Hitler. If Hitler did not attack USSR, and USA did not supply you with MILLIONS of warfare and several thousands of troops, you would be Hailing HITLER. Pretty much your technology was too late to stop anything without help.
@THErunn1ngMAN Actually, the spitfire (although much more famous) wasn't the mainstay of the RAF during WW2. That honour went to the Hawker Hurricaine - a superb pane that made up the bulk of the RAF's planes and shot down by far the majority of Luftwaffe aircraft.
@THErunn1ngMAN What most American's won't admit either is that we were beating the German navy into a pulp without American help thanks to a captured German Navy Enigma machine. They only jumped in AFTER we'd turned the tide of the war.
Also, if it were not for the SAS, Hitler may have finished a nuclear bomb before them. And with his second-stage extended range V2's he could've nuked New York and Washington from western europe. Saved our asses? Saved their own, more like.
You can point out little facts that turned the tide of the war but it doesn't mean shit. Every country played a vital roll in the war. The United States didn't jump in only after England had turned the war around, American mass production and resources is what saved England from obliteration from the Germans.
People can whine all they want about who did this and who did that but in the end it was the United States involvement that had the biggest impact on the turning of WW2
@danframe I'm not claiming that the US didn't play a vital role in the war, I'm claiming that you lot often pretend that you only got involved for altruistic reasons - and that is WRONG. Yes, american mass production played a massive part in the war - but selling the arms you made to the allies also made you rich whilst bankrupting Europe.
If you hadn't got involved when you did, NY and washington would be smouldering holes in the ground right now and everyone left would speak german.
@danframe Also, the british navy WAS winning the war on the seas before you lot jumped in. The RAF was holding off the Luftwaffe too. We'd never have won without you, but until Hitler finished a nuclear weapon, we'd probably have held him off without you. But then we'd all have been nuked - Englishman and American alike.
My point is that this "we saved you" garbage that many Americans spout is just that - garbage. You lot knew you were in danger and you saved yourselves.
@danframe I wonder if the Poles who delivered the first Enigma machines to Britain ever feel forgotten. Or the Native Americans that made the radio calls that baffled the Germans, or the Kerens, who assisted with fighting the Japanese.
Maybe if America had not been quite so laissez faire in 1919/20 WW2 would not have happened.
I thought that Zhukov won the biggest battles, but then it was the Soviets that made the whole thing possible.
@THErunn1ngMAN Ah, Colossus, I live just 5 miles from it and have seen it many times, a superb machine.
The one in Bletchley park now is a replica built by Tony Sale and a team of people with only a few fragments of diagrams and photo reference, without a doubt shortened the war by many months.
It didn't actually decode the transmissions, only found the wheel positions, then they fed that into a seperate machine to give them the correct german message.
Why are you referencing Hollywood? oh yea, I forgot that's where your military gets its inspiration. Vietnam? haha the unlimited budget of the USSR? I didn't see many t-52's in the jungle or Migs in the air, the NVA took the completely opposite approach. u lost because the NVA mastered camoflage and concealment living in tunnels whilst you guys were whooping 1000ft in the sky the NVA were smashing your poor young troops to pieces who were highly visible and vastly inexperienced. God bless them.
Why Hollywood? Because that is where all British actors go to become famous and rich - what jealousy are you talking about?
Seems that your military and politicians are not far behind. I mean following us into our screw ups like Iraq and Afghanistan. Why with all your 'military expertise' (especially in Afghanistan) - we can't subdue loosely organized gangs of Islamic extremist for a decade and there is no resolution in sight? Seems that you not that 'perfect'...
The LRDG coupled with our military's knowledge and experience of desert warfare made more of a difference than the M4 tank I can assure you. If you want to make claims like this i shall have to remind you that Britain invented the tank in the first place so without us you wouldn't have been able to invent the M4. Whooops!
@THErunn1ngMAN You can't assure me since you hardly a 'historical' source.
By now kids aware that Rommel lost due to limited supplies and weak allies. Is 'military knowledge' was the reason why Churchill replaced number of commanders in the Desert? Or was the reasons of so many losses and defeats? Can you actually prove that nobody else would invent tank if you didn't?
Why did you even need thousands of M4's being 'tank inventors'?
Since you feel that US benefited by getting your bases in exchange for destroyers etc.. , I should remind you - the help you sent to USSR benefited you just as much as it did Soviets. It would take lot more then Montgomery talent to defeat Rommel if his supplies were not diverted to the Eastern Front.
@123A1231 "Courage of British soldiers was hardly enough" absolutely which is why we invented the spitfire and won the BOB (if we'd have lost, the entire empire would have fallen into German hands.....) sunk the Bismarck, defeated Rommel in Africa (regardless of where the supplies came from, Englishmen used to a cold climate were fighting in 50 degree heat in tanks..... and won) created the SAS, performed operation pegasus, survived the Blitz, stole the Enigma machine from a German u-boat
How come we chucked you out of America in the war, and saved you from destruction in the 2nd world war, and how come Tony blair said " there is only one super power in the world" mean usa.
you didnt save us from the war if you didnt come into it we still would have won if you didnt notice on d day more yanks died than any other as you were there as cannon fodder.
You funded the Nazis the zyclone b came from an american company and the additive for the german bombers was sold to them by an american company so in fact you are responsible for the many millions of deaths that happened so get ya facts right before you open your mouth
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. i am canadian so dont think this is american loyalty. but the uk woulda lost if it wasnt for the americans. the amount of resources they gae where huge.
the yanks gave us sweet fuck all we had to pay for all that stuff to stop the Nazis takin over the world so learn some history before you type something so yet again it was all about money
do your self a favour search up "battle of the atlantic" in wikipedia. read it all, but pay special attention to "strategic objectives". heres a quote from the paragraph "As a nation with an overseas empire, the United Kingdom was highly dependent on imported goods. Britain required more than a million tons of imported material per week in order to be able to survive and fight". nuff said
dont believe every thing you read on the internet specily wikapedia it only goes on what people put in and not the facts this has been proved many times before.
we may have needed to import stuff but we paid for it and the americans profited from it they are as they always will be money grabbing war mongers
wikipedia is more accurate then almost all other sources becuase the ability of anyone around the world being able to change it. not just one countrys point of view ( at least high traffic pages).
back to the point. it doesnt matter that britain had to pay for it. if it wherent for north america britain would have ran out of resources to fight and would have had to surrender. proving me right
Britain would never have surrendered we would have let Hitler try and invade and destroyed him as it was proved in the 70's with the defensive plan we had in case of invasion
Land Rover FTW, need I say more?
DefenderRocks 4 months ago
Hummers are the joke of the 4x4 world.
jonnyb1900 4 months ago
@jonnyb1900 And your the joke of the world
HaloCOD816 2 months ago
@HaloCOD816 No, that would be religion.
jonnyb1900 2 months ago
@jonnyb1900 What the heck are you talking about?
HaloCOD816 1 month ago
@jonnyb1900 hummers are the joke of the 4x4 world? loll only land rover owner will be so low class to say that..:) may be that's why u drive defender and i drive H1 alpha :)
REAL4wd 2 weeks ago
@REAL4wd i drive a Land Cruiser actually, and if i were given a choice between the said Land Rover Defender and the Hummer H1 Alpha i would go for the defender, why you ask ? because its 4x4 ability is superior as standard to the H1a, its more cost effective, its more practical, and lastly, because its not (insert bad word here) ugly, but i will concede the H1a does look like a beast .
jonnyb1900 2 weeks ago
@jonnyb1900 here is the thing, i own 2 classic range rovers , and one of them is with diesel motor , and i own few hummers, i know what defender can and cant do, defender is 98% like classic , i use the hummer and the land rover offroad,, let me give u somthing to think about it, my hummer is 2 inch lower and 2 ft wider than my rover, with 18" ground clearance,65% less chance to roll over . that's just one example, 50 more to go, :) :)
REAL4wd 2 weeks ago
@jonnyb1900 i am not trying to advertise a hummer, but its just the way it is, regardless land rover fans like it or not,, HUMMER H1 is made to be used offroad every day under very hard conditions. DEFENDER is just a farm truck being used by the army.
dont get me wrong i love the defender and i will get one for me this year, but don't challenge with the hummer h1 offroad,
REAL4wd 2 weeks ago
@REAL4wd All 4x4's have their good points and bad points, but as we both know, the car can only do so much, most of it is down to the driver, And yes i'd agree with you, the defender is "just a farm truck" but at a selling price of £25k (for the mid range ones) its a darn lot cheaper than the $150k Hummer, but i stick with my main point, the driver is too blame for many of either 4x4s reputation, but i think we can safely say that when the production stops for both, its a sad day for us
jonnyb1900 2 weeks ago
I think every one forgets the UK also has Panther's which are stronger than Humvees.
ryantika 5 months ago
lads you doing a great job out there yous dont need extra protection remember the yanks are thick as pig shit there bullet bags just let them soak up the bullets for you
v6cabby 7 months ago
Hummer are cool but rubbish at off roading. Land Rovers, on the other hand, kick ass.
RunWildWind 9 months ago
Go hit an IED with your land rover and you will be wishing for a up-armored Humvee
danframe 10 months ago
Stock Hummers can go anywhere too, but these are the uparmored hummers designed to combat the IEDs and survive incoming fire. If that Landy gets hit by an IED, no one will survive. The Hummer gets hit by the same IED, (hopefully) 75 to 100% of the occupants will survive.
jonnyfilmboy 10 months ago
Land Rover > Hummer
ricks1709 10 months ago
If I was in a warzone I'd rather be lightly armored than stuck in open ground.
Land Rover ftw.
G1NZOU 10 months ago
@razvan1966 of course i don't mind! i'm always happy to hear of the very many unacknowledged contributions to the allied war effort. Thanks for sharing the information friend.
THErunn1ngMAN 11 months ago
sad and very very borering,, hats
micktaylorpara 1 year ago
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You don't join the fucking military because you're afraid of the possibility of getting shot at. Its the Land Rover for me.
MrEthekyaa 1 year ago
You don't join the fucking military because you're afraid of the possibility of getting shot at. Its the Land Rover for me.
MrEthekyaa 1 year ago
@MrEthekyaa So you're saying you'd rather have a higher risk of death then get stuck in the mud once or twice with a large armored 360 degree 50 caliber browning atop?
StarsMarsRadio 1 year ago
Are British Landrovers being phased out of the military? Please let me know
jackhedger 1 year ago
@jackhedger Your point being?
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
@zrvpvo8789 what the fuck? i asked a question you twat...
jackhedger 1 year ago
@jackhedger So did I.
Take a pill retard.
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
@jackhedger they are but it'll be a long while yet as the G wagon is being slowly phased in so the land rover will be around for a bit longer, probably find that the initial batch will be for replacing unimogs and other medium to large trucks which were always mercedes anyway. When the land rovers are replaced I'll be the first to go to the auction yards.
vaestanfors 1 year ago
Why do all brit soliders come from newcastle?
nw8000 1 year ago
Come on now! Lets not argue or bicker over who hates who? Surly we should be united against the common enemy..............The New World Order!
nw8000 1 year ago
land rovers stil not good enuf, i would be willing to pay a little more tax vat or what ever if the government would give u guys better vehicles with more protection, not a humvee like cos u even said ther useless on the tracks but mabye something on caterpiller tracks or just bulkier, mabye u should all get tanks that would solve the ied problem mabye , but just looking ive seen american videos of ied's blowing up next to them and they can handle it to a degree.
Mrboombastic50 1 year ago
nein nein nein. HAVE A G WAGEN inbetween both. brilliant stronger than landy, less clumbersome than hummer. tubular chassis can take armour plate. merc turbo diesel better than others engines. the french use them under peugeout brand name, and most other eu countries do.
sexybritgent 1 year ago
bloody that landrover look swell unsafe
555banzai 1 year ago
what the hell was that anyway ? 1.25sec of f... you we are better because we have shity trucks? now tell yourself that when the shit flys,
Conservativepacheat 1 year ago
i love the way a 41 year old yank prick has to think he is better and keep up his wikipedia use to try and win dont you just want to blow up americans like him?
spliffthedog 1 year ago
@spliffthedog
It's not that we better or not - it's about you cannot accept that something could be superior to british. You can tell fairytale about your superiority to third world - aka 'former British empire'.
We do have Rovers here and well aware what they are.
What is this idiot compare in the video - soft skin Defender to ARMORED HMMWV?
Why not to Snatch? How is Snatch does in mud?
Go to sleep dummy - you spent whole night drooling over keyboard .
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
Mate, your insecurity is pathetic!
123A1231 1 year ago
why have your comments been removed
spliffthedog 1 year ago
Do you want to enjoy them again?
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
im guessing you are nothing but a child im also guessin you have no other half as you have spent over an hour arguing with me cos i no my other half would be pretty pissed of if she wasnt sleepin.Not realy cos you were speaking out of your arse go to bed its almost 10 where you are
spliffthedog 1 year ago
I know technology is something you don't like but you should know at least this much - you can open TWO (and more) windows on your computer. I'm working in the other window...
Why don't you mind your 'half' - you spent entire night arguing online. How sick is that?
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
well that shows you have little else to do but argue with me im busy watching other stuff you are just an after thort for me.
as i said i work nights so this is nothing for me days off are just like work days sleep all day up all night
spliffthedog 1 year ago
When I working all day on my PC and simultaneously argue with you , it's 'shows you have little else to do' .
Yet, when you ' work nights' and arguing with me - you have a lot to do!
You are 'genius' !
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
i have done all i need to do as i said day off = lazy day but the otherhalf is getting up now so will go make her breakfast and take her to work
spliffthedog 1 year ago
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zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
i posted a video on my profile how defender rolled over in front of me, that place my hummer would of pass 30 miles per hour..
defender has 90% more chance rolling over and getting stuck .
i dont care what ppl see and say. i drive them and use them i know
TheRANGEROVER1989 1 year ago 2
Two things:
To all you Britfags: We, America are YOUR fault. We are your fail. And how. You're basically jealous of our success.
About the Landrovers vs. the hummers, the way i see it, the Hummers have one thing on the landies: width. You won't see a HMMWV tip as often as you will a Landie. They cant sell the Landrover Defender in the US anymore because the fuckers tip. I say make those things wider if you're so smart, Britain!
phrawgg2 1 year ago
@phrawgg2 Jeeps and Rovers kick ass over any Hummer. Hummers on any given day offroading here in the 4-corners pale in comparrison. The Hummers are some of the most miserable engineering ever conceived in a vehicle.
Now that Hummer is owned by a Chinese company you can expect your wide assed vehicle to be even less reliable and durable.
The situations you would have a Hummer in where you worry of being off-canter the Hummer cannot hack in the first place. Pathetic, penis envy garbage.
numerus 1 year ago
Yes the Hummer Brand is owned by the chinese marketing only H2's and H3's. Not AM General. Moron.
ocbountyhunter 1 year ago 3
@numerus As a former owner of half a dozen of Jeeps and Rover all I can say - they not even come close to real Hummer. If they would - there would be no reason for Jeep owners to heavily modify them before even considering going off-road. Why do you need wider tires when you put lift kit ? Why new Jeeps gets wider and longer? H1 and HMMWV made by AM General and designed by Jeep engineers. AM General has nothing to do with GM and Chinese - you sir are complete idiot.
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
@phrawgg2
100% agreed I AM ROVER OWNER AND HUMMER H1 OWNER, land rover has no chance in any way no way over the hummer.
TheRANGEROVER1989 1 year ago
We are that smart, that's why US special forces use the Jackal not hummers. Landrover has better speed, mobility and good firepower Vs the hummers restricted visability, less ground clearance and less speed, I know which I would rather be in Mr USGAY.
1who2what3where4when 1 year ago
they cant sell the defender in america because it doesnt have an air bag and that is a big no no in your fucked up and backward country
spliffthedog 1 year ago
@spliffthedog
Funny thing but Hummer H1 sold in 'backward country' without airbags. It's just a bit more stable on the road...
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
it has nothing to do with stabilty its air bags if it was stabilty we would have many more accidents here as we have corners that you take at more than 30 mph not just endless straight roads
spliffthedog 1 year ago
I hope you not going to deny the fact -Defender lot less stable on high speeds then average car.
Add lack of air bags and do the math.
Hummers were sold without airbag 10 years after import of Defenders was stopped.
Frankly, I don't see why you so proud about LR not able to install air bags and make thousands of sales - pathetic!
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
well im guessing it isnt because we dont sell unsafe cars in this country the reason there be no air bags is because the landrover design hasnt change in 40 years so no room for them.
Hummers are different they are built in america so get away with not having them as they are not an import if defenders are so shit why do so many americans come over here and buy 20 year old ones to take back with them
spliffthedog 1 year ago
Actually Rovers did change in 40 years.
Since you cannot even register Defender from overseas your 'so many' is bull crap!
Especially considering the opposite location of the controls.
I doubt you have a slight clue about H1 or Defender mechanics - you would be arguing with technical terms not paranoid crap.
Get lost.
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
learn you can registar a landy from overseas as long as it is 25 years or older and original and that would be 15 years or older in canada learn your laws
The basic layout of a landy hasnt changed just improved you do not have a clue i have lived with a series 2 landy since i was born i know much about its history and how to repair them
spliffthedog 1 year ago
I love Internet - everyone is 'an expert'. Jackass, you can register old vehicle as a 'historic' - not but not as a daily driver. How is 'basic' layout of Land Rover any different from Jeep or G-wagon or UAZ etc? So suspension (most important part) did not changed? How about shitty turning radius and lack of lockers?
Is that what makes it better then Humvee?
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
the landrover suspension started as leaf springs and then changed to coils learn bitch.
landrovers dont seem to need lockers to go off road as i have said have had landrovers around me my whole life and the g wagon was a copy of the landrover to hence why it looks so similar
spliffthedog 1 year ago
Damn. you slow - that right it was coils I was talking about. Land Rovers don't need lockers when you babbling online. It seems that they do when you drive them in real life. G-wagon was a 'copy' of LR? Really? The Steyr Puch made 4x4's decade before anyone heard of Land Rover.
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
you have proved you are a child grow up go to bed and try to get some sleep and wikipedia must be lovin you tonight
spliffthedog 1 year ago
@spliffthedog
I already told you get EDUCATED.
It's only 9 p.m here in California....
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
and you be a 41 year old hummer driver so im guessing it is close to your bedtime grow up if you dont like landrovers why do you watch videos about them
spliffthedog 1 year ago
If you don't have anything else logical to say - just STFU.
Wait, you cannot - your deluded national pride keeps you awake whole night.
Let go back to beginning. Wasn't it Churchill asking US for help?
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
we just wanted you for cannon fodder and you yanks only got involved in the war because you had already sold zyclone b and fuel additives to the nazis and realised they were teaming up with the japs and would rape you we in britain would have been safe from invasion it has been proved by nato
spliffthedog 1 year ago
Yeah,yeah,yeah.
Chamberlain signs treaty with Hitlers, sells Czech, Poles just to realize that UK is next.
Didn't japs took your colonies - short memory?
Retard - NATO 'proved' in exercise. The history never proved it. You got nothing of your own. All they had to do - built more U-boat and simply starve you.
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
we tried to stop the war before it got europe wide at least we didnt help by selling them zyclone b and additives for the fuel that went in their bombers learn some of your countrys history america always wanted in to the war but the people didnt want it so they let pearl harbour happen and approval went up over night
spliffthedog 1 year ago
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zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
that 3.9 engine you speak of started life in 1969 and was found in an american boatyard by the then boss of rover who bought the rights to use the engine this engine started life as a small block 3.5 litre v8 which was then worked on to get more Bhp and was made upto 5 litres it was used in rovers to tvrs learn your history stop using wikipedia
spliffthedog 1 year ago
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zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
its an engine that buick didnt want as it was to small for you fucktards to get any decent power out of (as you cant tune an engine to save your lives) it this engine lived for over 40 years powering half of britain when the engine was brought rover was in money troubles as they always were due to idiots in charge so found somthing that would have never have been used by you yanks
spliffthedog 1 year ago
So how come you couldn't come up with your own engine,transmission? How come it took BMW and Ford to resolve Lucas (aka King of Darkness) issues? How come you still fly in C-130 and CH-47's? Your mouth is lot bigger then your abilities...
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
we use what is proven not what is deemed to be better america would not win a fair fight anywhere in the world without tech where as we would kick your arse without tech
spliffthedog 1 year ago
'without tech'
Have you checked calendar lately? It's 2010..
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
so you dont know what happens when a nuke goes off then fucking idiot
spliffthedog 1 year ago
'what is proven '
Has it ever strike you that Humvee is around for the last 25 years? 50+ Armed Forces around the globe use Humvee. Spain,Turkey, Switzerland,China, Russia, India,Ukraine manufacture vehicles on Humvee chassis or concept.
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
and has it not occured to you that landrover has been around for 60 years and is used by 50+ militarys around the world most of the armies you state also use landrovers because they can go places mummers cant as this video proves
spliffthedog 1 year ago
I repeat , Hummer in the video - ARMORED.
For slow thinkers - it has at least a ton of extra weight. Even the guy in the video said it's better protected. There is a video 'H1(unarmored) vs. D90' - see how D-90 measures up.
I've seen D-90 rolled over where H1 would go 30 mph without stopping short while ago - choke on it!
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
yes i have seen that video and if you look to 90 driver doesnt know what he was doing if it was a 110 versus the hummer it would have been fair wheel base is everything.
when he says better protection it is in comparison to the current unarmoured landy he is in.
what is it with you yanks and my car is bigger so its better you have no idea why is it that the american rangers use landrovers and not hummers?
spliffthedog 1 year ago
O, so now what's 'wrong with us'?
So when Brit compares apples to oranges - it's fare?
US Rangers use Humvees just as well.
Actually it is you who don't have idea why US Rangers use landrovers - inability to fit Humvee inside helicopter. Russians wouldn't have this issue - would they?
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
@phrawgg2 Defenders are not sold in the U.S because they dont have airbags. Defenders have a quite low centre of gravity actually ergo the dont tip over easily at all.
serepx 1 year ago
but in all seriousness i am assuming this video was taken earlyer in the war in afghanistan. becuase arnt most of the deaths in afghanistan from IED's? the land rover doesnt look like it offers much pertection in that aspect.
finnnnnny 2 years ago 2
If people dont like land rovers or the uk just go home we are not forcing you to stay here !
northernnumpty 2 years ago
America can fuck up UK in a week!!!, you think you can beat US? one of the most highly armed nation on earth? whilst your people shoot water pistols for fun and training? Ok then go to America and single handedly fight 10 american and see if you can beat them, cos thats the number that outnumberes you, fucking retard english bastards
IMnotSAS 2 years ago
@IMnotSAS
dont you know that the sas go to america to train you rangers and seals and the rangers have also been to a gurka assault course that takes the gurkas 30 mins to do and it took the rangers 2 hours plus we would kick your arse in a fair fight thats why you buy weapons from us Britain = armour of the world
spliffthedog 2 years ago
countrys send troops every where around the world to train with other forces. britain sent a large armoured force to suffield alberta canada to train fromt he canadians. does this mean canada is better no.
finnnnnny 2 years ago
@finnnnnny
spliffthedog 2 years ago
@finnnnnny
Britain sends troops to train in canada because we dont have the space i know this because i have friends and family in the military and have been told stories of people dying on these trainin missions
spliffthedog 2 years ago
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'thats why you buy weapons from us Britain = armour of the world '
What exactly 'armor' US buys from UK?
Enlighten me please!
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hmco9797 1 year ago
@IMnotSAS Come see if you can take us! A lot have tried. You came and helped in WW2, but only after you saw which side was winning - and you let what (to you) was an ethnically inferior nation, sink half your pacific nv, despite we gave you radar and told you it was about to happen? Maybe you should know and trust your friends. Who do you want for mates? Oh, by the way, you did "fxxx" us up (+ most of the wrld) in 1 week - ta for the worst recession in history. Maybe we can sort it together???
brok328 2 years ago
The recession was man made, with the help of banks, ever wonder why they came out so well, and how the west came out of the biggest recession since the great depression so quickly? it was a way to weaken the economies of the east, look what happened to dubai, and what effects it had on china, the next great super power has been set back from its glory for at least a generation.
IMnotSAS 2 years ago
Yup - China is doing so bad they just bought a big chunk of Ford today. They have been snapping up US and European aquisitions right through this recession as they are the only country that has bazillions of dollars in cash just now, thanks to the West's desire for the cheapest kit over the last 2 decades. I think maybe, they have a lot more sway in this wold than you credit them - otherwise, why are "we" just watching what is happening in NK and Iran??
brok328 2 years ago
And a merry Christmas to you all (that celebrate Christmas). Best wishes to the rest of you!
brok328 2 years ago
@brok328
I wouldn't argue on 'after you saw which side was winning' but whether you realize it not - you start receiving US help way before US entered WWII on your side.
zrvpvo8789 1 year ago
You are absolutely right - Britain got a huge amount of financial aid from US which was desperately needed. I think we were still paying it back in the 1990's. But without it we would have been in more trouble than even we were.
brok328 1 year ago
its true they did give us money and we finnished paying it back about 5 to 10 years ago
spliffthedog 1 year ago
I've read your comments. Seems that you forget things. You said earlier that you could win on your own'.
Enlighten me please - where did you get that Americans sold 'Zyclone B' to Germany when it's a known fact - it was developed in Germany.
I also wonder where did you find that US buy armor from you?
123A1231 1 year ago
zyclone b had stuff in it that could only come from america if nyou type in american zeitguiste into youtube you will find out the truth of america and the corruption that is involved. The rangers use landrovers it is a well know fact outside america and also they did a piece on them in one of the landrover magazines a few years ago because the guy who ordered the hummers didnt see if they would fit in the choppers first
spliffthedog 1 year ago
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123A1231 1 year ago
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Germans started to mass produce 'zyclone B' in 1942. Do you really believe that US sold anything to Germany in 1942?
Few dozens of Defenders used by US Army Rangers does not mean 'Britain = armour of the world' . Not to mention that Defenders are not 'armour' and UK is only on 7-th place in weapons sales. Pentagon (not the guy didn't see) dropped requirement for the HMMVW width. Defender magazines hardly the source for Humvee history.
123A1231 1 year ago
i notice you deleted a comment did you watch what i told you to?
and also if it was not for america gettin germany to pay money to them after the 1st world war there would have been no second world war
spliffthedog 1 year ago
Please don't look for conspiracy - I posted twice by mistake.. Flashback - Brits and French gave out Czechoslovakia to Hitler without shot fired thus encouraging him to go further with his plans. They just didn't realize his true intentions.
Your conspiracy theories don't make any sense but I smell serious grudge against America.
123A1231 1 year ago
no grudge against america its just the rest of the world can see how corrupt the country is most americans im guessing are ok its just the people who are in power have other intrests as most have worked for big buisness aka mr bush.
i notice how you mention nothing about the payments that america demanded after the ww1 which bankrupted germany and forced a war.
We didnt need a shot fired we had seen the military build up of germany and were tryin to stop it.
Do i have to bring up vietnam?
spliffthedog 1 year ago
So UK and France had nothing to do with German reparations after WWI ? State of German economy led to Hitler - not to war. How exactly you was trying to 'stop' Hitler - by sponsoring him to take Czechoslovakia, not including Czech in Munich convention and feeding Hitler BS about USSR being threat to him? UK government just as corrupted as US. Why exactly UK was #2 in 'Coalition of the willing' with Bush? Vietnam? How many countries you took during 'Empire' time? You full of shit mate.
123A1231 1 year ago
we didnt want germany to pay us money as we knew they could not afford it you americans wanted the money and wouldnt take no for an answer which led to hitler which led to war
How is our goverment corrupt if you are our pm you can not have been involved in a major corporation
We did take alot of countries and if it wasnt for that half the world would still be backwards including yours.
we only went along with bush to get saddam where as you yanks are in it for the oil and building contract.
spliffthedog 1 year ago
You didn't want Germany to pay money and yet you took money. O sure you made 'world' prosperous, especially places like Afghanistan, Africa...
You only went along with Bush to get OIL.
Like I said you a paranoid nationalist that can't get over the fact that you no longer have Empire. Get a life.
123A1231 1 year ago
we didnt have a choice im sure america said they would put sanctions on us and the rest of europe if we didnt.
we didnt go along with bush to get oil we have plenty in the north sea and around the falklands.
im not paranoid nationalist at least we had an empire which is somthing america has always wanted and will always want
spliffthedog 1 year ago
By the way, we also send you enough material without which you couldn't fight Germans.
How many CMP trucks did you get? So stop running your mouth that you could beat Germans on your own and how great you are and how 'backward' all others. Your insecurity is pathetic!
123A1231 1 year ago
we had to pay for everything you sent us so get off your high horse america was only in the war to make money the same with every other war they sell the other side weapons (so they have a reason) then go to war with them
spliffthedog 1 year ago
@123A1231
We gave you the Merlin Engine for use in the P51 Mustang :)
superdan1875 1 year ago 13
@superdan1875
And we gave you the Mustang...
123A1231 1 year ago
@123A1231
The Mustang was nothing without the Merlin Engine that had been so sucessful in the Supermarine Spitfire.
superdan1875 1 year ago
@superdan1875
You fought Germans with 100's of thousands pieces US and Canadian made trucks,armor, aircraft. You were supplied with raw material ,food and fuel. That flaw of your bloodline was protected by US and Canadian Navies. 8 out of 10 Germans were killed by Soviet Army. Thanks for Merline engine! I just wonder if you could fly that engine without airfame...?
123A1231 1 year ago
@123A1231
100 of thousands of aircraft made by USA + Canada, paid for in full by Her Majesty's Government if I may add.
8 out of 10 Germans were killed by the Soviet Army + All of the German large battleships were destroyed by the ROYAL NAVY.
That Engine flew just nice in the Spitfire during the battle of britain (one of the most decisive battles of WW2)
superdan1875 1 year ago
@superdan1875
Did I say - you got all that for free? I didn't. But could you fight with just money (that you finish paying in 1990's)? True, but few German large battleships were not your biggest problem - U-boats were. You couldn't deal with them on your own. Seems that you trying to prove British role in defeating Nazi Germany . Who can deny that Brits played significant part? Same way - you couldn't do it on your own.
123A1231 1 year ago
@123A1231
Britain did exceptionally well to survive against the Nazis and take the fight to them in Africa.
Britain also did exceptionally well at dealing with the U-Boat threat via north atlantic Convoys.
But the defeat of Germany would have been impossible without the support of the USA + Roosevelt in particular.
We are lucky that we were able to have two such phenomenal leaders in the right place at the right time.
Churchill + Roosevelt made the unwinnable war winnable.
superdan1875 1 year ago
@superdan1875 Again, you didn't deal with U-boat on your own. US supplied you with destroyers to deal with U-boats in 1940. US and Canadian Navy played as much role as British. There is no argument that Churchill and Roosevelt were phenomenal leaders. However, Soviets played disproportional role in breaking Hitlers back. Stalin may not be my favorite person but nobody can deny his part in victory.
123A1231 1 year ago
@123A1231
The destroyers were exchanged for bases.
superdan1875 1 year ago
@superdan1875
I did not say US gave you them for free.
123A1231 1 year ago
@123A1231
"you didn't deal with the U-Boats on your own. US supplied you with destroyers to deal with U-Boats."
- We swapped them for bases
"Canadian Navy played as much role as British"
- Canada was part of the British Empire
superdan1875 1 year ago
@superdan1875
You are genius - wasn't these bases used to help you?
Correction - Canada was self-governed by that time. Not to mention that significant amount of Canadian ships were made in US. So as manufactures in Canada were partially American. Does name 'Chevrolet' rings the bell?
Again, you could not defeat Hitler on your own - you did not have resources, production and power. Courage of British soldiers were hardly enough to stand German war machine . Get over it!
123A1231 1 year ago
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123A1231 1 year ago
@superdan1875
You are genius - wasn't these bases used to help you?
Correction - Canada was self-governed by that time. Not to mention that significant amount of Canadian ships were made in US. So as manufactures in Canada were partially American. Does name 'Chevrolet' rings the bell?
Again, you could not defeat Hitler on your own - you did not have resources, production and man power. Courage of British soldiers was hardly enough to stand German war machine . Get over it
123A1231 1 year ago
@123A1231
I never said we defeated Hitler on our own.
I'm just giving you an education in what the British did in WW2, which is too often swept under the carpet by the US Media + Hollywood.
And it's a well known fact that the Soviet Union would have fell without vital supplies, which were sent via North Atlantic convoys from Britain.
Canada may have been self governing but British Parliament still had a say in Canadian politics.
superdan1875 1 year ago
@superdan1875
It is you who talking like Hollywood since 'Soviet Union would fell without supplies' is a 'known fact' only in Hollywood... Flashback - when Germans lost initiative at Moscow Soviets hardly receive anything from the West. Whole Lend Lease program (with US being major supplier) - accounted for about 10% of Soviet war needs. Supplies were sent through Iran and Far East just as well.
Get educated yourself before giving education 'historian'.
123A1231 1 year ago
@123A1231 which funnily enough, got turned into a film by hollywood claiming that the Americans did it (U-571). what an insult to the heroes who performed the incredible act and you have the balls to come on here and tell us that American supplies won the war. Pull your head out of your arse you fucking Yank cunt.
martanava1 1 year ago
@martanava1 Let me refresh your memory - Bismark was sunk after sinking Hood. Rommel lacked supplies shifted to Eastern Front and it was US made M4 that made the difference in the Desert. Until Jeep - the best thing you had was 4x2 Tilly. Not to mention that 8 out of 10 Germans were killed by Soviet Army. Go back to school and learn history you paranoid imbecile.
123A1231 1 year ago
Why is it so difficult for America to appreciate Britains war efforts? We were at a time in our illustrious history where we could hardly bring ourselves to enter a war, yet we did. That alone is commendable because if we hadn't, Europe would be under Nazi control and along with it, the largest Empire in history. That would put the U.S in a big heap of shit. Before American resouces finally arrived, we had to use our ingenuity which we did to devastating effect.
THErunn1ngMAN 1 year ago
@THErunn1ngMAN You should learn how to use YT before posting - it wasn't 'America not appreciating Britain's war effort' - it was Britain (let me rephrase - Brits) not appreciating other nations who heavily participated in WWII.
How exactly did you stop Germans from occupying Europe? Wait - you did not! You 'stopped' Germans from occupying - YOU. By the time you (with our significant help) decided to take continental Europe - Wehrmacht back was fatally broken by Soviets at Kursk.
123A1231 1 year ago
If only a certain other nation who got passed the flag for western power after Britains demise could use their brains in the same way, they might, and thats a very big "might" get somewhere close to our achievments. Your history is to throw your abundent resources at things and hope and hope for the best (e.g. Vietnam). We've never had that luxury. So we invent. What happened their? the NVA outsmarted and outfought you. Learn from Britain, don't be jealous of her. For yours and Britain's sake.
THErunn1ngMAN 1 year ago
@THErunn1ngMAN Did you mean you 'invented' Land Rover (isn't what's this video about) after receiving thousand of Lend Lease Jeep?
We lost Vietnam like you lost your whole Empire - is that what is it? Did you mean NVA 'outsmarted' us by throwing sharpened bamboo sticks into B-52's at 10000 ft? Did they threw rocks at us or fired batteries of Soviet long range 130mm guns? We lost to unlimited military budget of the former USSR.
You are genius!
123A1231 1 year ago
The Empire was lost at the expense of facing up to the krauts. Having to pay America back for their supplies used up all of our gold reserves (and mainly on proposterous interest, not the raw value of the resources). Vietnam was lost on lack of experience and having the completely wrong approach. I must add that yes, without Americas intervention in WW2 we have absolutely got crushed, no doubt and any reasonable person can understand this. The difference is that we acknowledge your contribution.
THErunn1ngMAN 1 year ago
@THErunn1ngMAN Learn how to read YT comments (from the beginning).
If all of you 'acknowledge' our contribution - we wouldn't be arguing here.
That's being said, we did not loose Vietnam militarily - we lost politically.
Obviously, you can't comprehend the fact. Fact that you call Vietcong - 'NVA' clearly shows that your knowledge of the subject is very primitive.
Let me enlighten you: NVA - North Vietnamese Army with Migs, SAM's, Artillery and armor.
123A1231 1 year ago
The land rover? no. Although that was the vehicle of choice for the outstanding LRDG. Instead we invented the worlds first computer (still to be found in Bletchley Park) which decoded German transmissions (not known or acknowledged by nearly all Americans) and helped incredibly with winning the war. Radar and the Spitfire were invented and combined to win the BOB, The SAS were created to carry out guerilla warfare. Most of these things go unnoticed by 99% of Americans and that's the problem.
THErunn1ngMAN 1 year ago 12
@THErunn1ngMAN Dude, the country would of get bombarded in anyway, if you had the radars or not, you were still losing, until more allies rolled in and others helped.
It is just something I know and discuss a lot with others.
GiaJ1 1 year ago
@GiaJ1 Sorry my friend, firstly your grammar is horrendous so taking you seriously with regards to historical context is fairly difficult. Secondly, you need to research the BOB a little bit before commenting on other peoples posts. The U.S.A played no part whatsoever in the victory against the luftwaffe. It was British and Empire born pilots (Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc) that did so. Inventing the radar and the Spitfire were crucial to our success. No Yank help. Thanks
THErunn1ngMAN 1 year ago
@THErunn1ngMAN Dear Th..
Yeah, I speak 5 languages, so I might have a bit difficulty in speaking English, so dont compare my intelegence to your own. Second of all, in every book you read, states that US and USSR were the most credited countries for what they did to stop Hitler. If Hitler did not attack USSR, and USA did not supply you with MILLIONS of warfare and several thousands of troops, you would be Hailing HITLER. Pretty much your technology was too late to stop anything without help.
GiaJ1 1 year ago
@THErunn1ngMAN you don't want to forget the Polish and Czechs too :)
cmaben 1 year ago
@cmaben Of course, I was just referencing a few to give an example. There were also some french and a Jamaican I believe. plus many more. Thanks
THErunn1ngMAN 11 months ago
@THErunn1ngMAN Actually, the spitfire (although much more famous) wasn't the mainstay of the RAF during WW2. That honour went to the Hawker Hurricaine - a superb pane that made up the bulk of the RAF's planes and shot down by far the majority of Luftwaffe aircraft.
MudBarf 11 months ago
@THErunn1ngMAN What most American's won't admit either is that we were beating the German navy into a pulp without American help thanks to a captured German Navy Enigma machine. They only jumped in AFTER we'd turned the tide of the war.
Also, if it were not for the SAS, Hitler may have finished a nuclear bomb before them. And with his second-stage extended range V2's he could've nuked New York and Washington from western europe. Saved our asses? Saved their own, more like.
MudBarf 11 months ago
You can point out little facts that turned the tide of the war but it doesn't mean shit. Every country played a vital roll in the war. The United States didn't jump in only after England had turned the war around, American mass production and resources is what saved England from obliteration from the Germans.
People can whine all they want about who did this and who did that but in the end it was the United States involvement that had the biggest impact on the turning of WW2
danframe 9 months ago
@danframe I'm not claiming that the US didn't play a vital role in the war, I'm claiming that you lot often pretend that you only got involved for altruistic reasons - and that is WRONG. Yes, american mass production played a massive part in the war - but selling the arms you made to the allies also made you rich whilst bankrupting Europe.
If you hadn't got involved when you did, NY and washington would be smouldering holes in the ground right now and everyone left would speak german.
MudBarf 9 months ago
@danframe Also, the british navy WAS winning the war on the seas before you lot jumped in. The RAF was holding off the Luftwaffe too. We'd never have won without you, but until Hitler finished a nuclear weapon, we'd probably have held him off without you. But then we'd all have been nuked - Englishman and American alike.
My point is that this "we saved you" garbage that many Americans spout is just that - garbage. You lot knew you were in danger and you saved yourselves.
MudBarf 9 months ago 2
@danframe I wonder if the Poles who delivered the first Enigma machines to Britain ever feel forgotten. Or the Native Americans that made the radio calls that baffled the Germans, or the Kerens, who assisted with fighting the Japanese.
Maybe if America had not been quite so laissez faire in 1919/20 WW2 would not have happened.
I thought that Zhukov won the biggest battles, but then it was the Soviets that made the whole thing possible.
harryfaber 3 months ago
@THErunn1ngMAN Ah, Colossus, I live just 5 miles from it and have seen it many times, a superb machine.
The one in Bletchley park now is a replica built by Tony Sale and a team of people with only a few fragments of diagrams and photo reference, without a doubt shortened the war by many months.
It didn't actually decode the transmissions, only found the wheel positions, then they fed that into a seperate machine to give them the correct german message.
G1NZOU 10 months ago
@THErunn1ngMAN 'don't be jealous of her. For yours and Britain's sake'
Jealous? Is that the reason why all your famous actors become such in Hollywood?
123A1231 1 year ago
Why are you referencing Hollywood? oh yea, I forgot that's where your military gets its inspiration. Vietnam? haha the unlimited budget of the USSR? I didn't see many t-52's in the jungle or Migs in the air, the NVA took the completely opposite approach. u lost because the NVA mastered camoflage and concealment living in tunnels whilst you guys were whooping 1000ft in the sky the NVA were smashing your poor young troops to pieces who were highly visible and vastly inexperienced. God bless them.
THErunn1ngMAN 1 year ago
@THErunn1ngMAN
It's B-52 you moron.
123A1231 1 year ago
@THErunn1ngMAN
Why Hollywood? Because that is where all British actors go to become famous and rich - what jealousy are you talking about?
Seems that your military and politicians are not far behind. I mean following us into our screw ups like Iraq and Afghanistan. Why with all your 'military expertise' (especially in Afghanistan) - we can't subdue loosely organized gangs of Islamic extremist for a decade and there is no resolution in sight? Seems that you not that 'perfect'...
123A1231 1 year ago
The LRDG coupled with our military's knowledge and experience of desert warfare made more of a difference than the M4 tank I can assure you. If you want to make claims like this i shall have to remind you that Britain invented the tank in the first place so without us you wouldn't have been able to invent the M4. Whooops!
THErunn1ngMAN 1 year ago
@THErunn1ngMAN You can't assure me since you hardly a 'historical' source.
By now kids aware that Rommel lost due to limited supplies and weak allies. Is 'military knowledge' was the reason why Churchill replaced number of commanders in the Desert? Or was the reasons of so many losses and defeats? Can you actually prove that nobody else would invent tank if you didn't?
Why did you even need thousands of M4's being 'tank inventors'?
123A1231 1 year ago
@superdan1875
Since you feel that US benefited by getting your bases in exchange for destroyers etc.. , I should remind you - the help you sent to USSR benefited you just as much as it did Soviets. It would take lot more then Montgomery talent to defeat Rommel if his supplies were not diverted to the Eastern Front.
123A1231 1 year ago
@123A1231
this is what I'm actually trying to explain.
that it took ALL of the allies to defeat the Germans.
Without any one of them the Germans would have been unstoppable.
superdan1875 1 year ago
@123A1231 "Courage of British soldiers was hardly enough" absolutely which is why we invented the spitfire and won the BOB (if we'd have lost, the entire empire would have fallen into German hands.....) sunk the Bismarck, defeated Rommel in Africa (regardless of where the supplies came from, Englishmen used to a cold climate were fighting in 50 degree heat in tanks..... and won) created the SAS, performed operation pegasus, survived the Blitz, stole the Enigma machine from a German u-boat
martanava1 1 year ago
Ill take the HMMWV. It can go just about anywhere, it has good armor, and it can be made to do many different tasks.
patsfanczar 2 years ago
UK is pussy, never wins sport yet think ye will win the war, fuck off, daft bastards
IMnotSAS 2 years ago
too many fucking ruperts on here
IMnotSAS 2 years ago
What was that Humvee? Looks like an Airforce one. Anyone know?
ihateforigners 2 years ago
the american can beat the uk. uk is too small and backward.
IMnotSAS 2 years ago
@IMnotSAS i
if we are small and backward how come we spawned you stupid fucks?
spliffthedog 2 years ago
How come we chucked you out of America in the war, and saved you from destruction in the 2nd world war, and how come Tony blair said " there is only one super power in the world" mean usa.
IMnotSAS 2 years ago
you didnt save us from the war if you didnt come into it we still would have won if you didnt notice on d day more yanks died than any other as you were there as cannon fodder.
You funded the Nazis the zyclone b came from an american company and the additive for the german bombers was sold to them by an american company so in fact you are responsible for the many millions of deaths that happened so get ya facts right before you open your mouth
spliffthedog 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. i am canadian so dont think this is american loyalty. but the uk woulda lost if it wasnt for the americans. the amount of resources they gae where huge.
finnnnnny 2 years ago
@finnnnnny
the yanks gave us sweet fuck all we had to pay for all that stuff to stop the Nazis takin over the world so learn some history before you type something so yet again it was all about money
spliffthedog 2 years ago
do your self a favour search up "battle of the atlantic" in wikipedia. read it all, but pay special attention to "strategic objectives". heres a quote from the paragraph "As a nation with an overseas empire, the United Kingdom was highly dependent on imported goods. Britain required more than a million tons of imported material per week in order to be able to survive and fight". nuff said
finnnnnny 2 years ago
@finnnnnny
dont believe every thing you read on the internet specily wikapedia it only goes on what people put in and not the facts this has been proved many times before.
we may have needed to import stuff but we paid for it and the americans profited from it they are as they always will be money grabbing war mongers
spliffthedog 2 years ago
@spliffthedog
wikipedia is more accurate then almost all other sources becuase the ability of anyone around the world being able to change it. not just one countrys point of view ( at least high traffic pages).
back to the point. it doesnt matter that britain had to pay for it. if it wherent for north america britain would have ran out of resources to fight and would have had to surrender. proving me right
finnnnnny 2 years ago
@finnnnnny
Britain would never have surrendered we would have let Hitler try and invade and destroyed him as it was proved in the 70's with the defensive plan we had in case of invasion
spliffthedog 2 years ago
with no supplys that would be no more ammo no more planes no more fuel no more reasorces to defend you little island. they woulda starved u out.
finnnnnny 2 years ago
if it wasn't for scotland there would be no:
the flush toilet,
the bicycle
macadamisation (not to be confused with Tarmac or Tarmacadam )
the telephone,
television,
the motion picture, penicillin, electromagnetics, radar, insulin,
and the light bulb
WITHOUT THESE THE "WORLD"(INCLUDING YOUR LITTLE COUNTRY OF AMERICA) COULD NOT FUNCTION!
Landy2landsend 2 years ago