Jefferson himself had introduced a bill designed to end slavery (The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D. C.: Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1903), Vol. I, p. 4. )
[N]ever in my life did I own a slave. 10 John Adams,
(The Works of John Adams, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown and Co., 1854) Vol. IX, p. 92, letter to George Churchman and Jacob Lindley on January 24, 1801.)
. . . a disposition to abolish slavery prevails in North America, that many of Pennsylvanians have set their slaves at liberty, and that even the Virginia Assembly have petitioned the King for permission to make a law for preventing the importation of more into that colony. This request, however, will probably not be granted as their former laws of that kind have always been repealed. (The Works of Benjamin Franklin, , editor (Boston: Tappan, Whittemore, and Mason, 1839), Vol. VIII, p. 42,
Many of our founding fathers were abolitionist. Most were. I wish the liberals would just check history. History written before the 1920 revisionist got hold of it. 75% !! Benjamin Franklin, in a 1773 letter to Dean Woodward, confirmed that whenever the Americans had attempted to end slavery, the British government had indeed thwarted those attempts. (cont.)
Thomas Paine was fervently anti-slavery and was a Founding Father (from my town in Norfolk UK). His anti-slavery views led to his exclusion from the early years of the republic. Sadly republicans never mention him due to his ridiculing of Christianity, support of progressive taxation, support for indigenous Americans and coming up with the old-age pension. More sadly for me he is neither mentioned by non-morons/republicans.
lol she actually can do one thing right. she can bring people together..to hate on her because people regardles of political party we can all agree shes just an idiot.
@cdoftx "Don't think that Republicans who pay attention like this demagogue. That's why she's out of the race."
But, now Rick Santorum is the new Republican favorite. I don't see much difference. Truth is, the once respectable Republican party has been hijacked by the Tea Party fanatic fringe.
It seems to be ok ....thus far if this woman ran.
I'm here checking it out as well....as others.
Pressed for time because, to the public: we all witnessed the heart attacks, the medical treatment is/was horrendous AND ALL are/have been working out more. Then they could eat IF THAT is a means for stress released... But Ahmadinejad was in Erie County's large Univ. Med. Sch's commercial as a Doctor/Terrorist
Do your homework regarding the founding fathers regarding their viewpoint on slavery. Propaganda hacks. Bachmann should learn her history better also, but you're just as guilty for posting a video like this without understanding the whole issue. There's tons of records including letters and assorted quotes from many of our founding fathers regarding their repugnation of slavery. To classify the fathers as racists is to nullify the DOI and US Const. I guess that's the point though.
she wants more americans to die serving the zionist state of israel. no more lies for israels wars, when did america because nazis? our founding fathers sure as hell didnt want us invading countries and murdering millions who never did shit to us. that is what nazis and communist do not america , well we use to not do that until the zionist got into our government .
She's actually right- the Founders did work to end slavery. Thomas Jefferson attempted to multiple times. However, as to why she chose to talk about John Quincy Adams is beyond me. He's definitely one the last few great presidents from the founding era but I don't think I would consider him a Founding Father.
Well, in one way, she was correct...they did address the issue of slavery quite often when devising the Constitution and it was resolved... to be resolved at a later date (little did they know it was going to be a war). Even some slave owning statesmen, like Jefferson was for the abolishment of slavery. So for all the Dems out there who want politicians to compromise - not ridding the US of slavery was their first compromise.
@sims24025 In 200 years there might be a person like you asking "How could all those liberals be for the killing of innocent babes??" Context of the time matters...Secondly, people who smoke can explain to how you can do something and know it's bad, and not want it to their children to do it, but can't help it because they depend upon it.
Where, oh where is the REAL TEA PARTY? "Occupy Wall Street"people warned not to let their efforts get hijacked (like the GOP hijacked the Tea Party) Napolitano suggests common goals.
@BloodTar I was referencing Obama admitting his mistakes. Did you watch the damn video? She clearly doesn't understand a damn thing about the Founding Fathers and slavery. Cenk is just pointing out the frickin obvious as usual when it comes to people like her and Palin. The constant stupidity, and immaturity to admit mistakes is disturbing for a person striving for a position she is going for.
@BloodTar Got me there, I swore there was somewhere I heard he was referencing to the entire U.S. union. But even so, he's human, and slip ups are slip ups, not that he's off the hook, but not understanding basic history of the U.S. on a consistent basis as she does? Unacceptable.
@BloodTar messing up on one things that he clearly messed up on, not didnt realyl know the answer, is one thing... actually after the fact of saying something stupid, and then reaffirming it like michelle bachmann did, now thats just retarded. Obama at least retracted what he said and contributed it to being exhausted (campaigns do that). Michelle Bachmann said something just as retarded, and stuck by it, thats worse.
@BloodTar its not really an excuse... its a pretty good reason... and to be honest michelle bachmann could have used the same reason, instead she chose to embrace her inner retard and believe the crap shes saying. Thats the difference.. and yeah its not a good excuse for her.
Why don't you hold Obama accountable for his mistakes he called Russia the Soviet Union in his first run for President. He also did not know the number of states in the USA
@Redstenox Yeah but he owned up to them. What does this jackass do every single time someone brings up her gaffes, dance around it or go blame liberals for just pointing out her shit. It's one thing to mispeak, it's another thing to constantly not know any facts on history, etc. and act immature when someone just points it out. Oh yeah she recently said the Soviet Union was on the rise. ON THE RISE?.....
@TheBigfanofeminem ur such an idiot!! She has to be one of the stupidest people on earth!! It'll be a sad day for America when Michele Bachmann becomes president!!!
We recognize that a Civil War was necessary to end slavery and that it took another 80 years for the beginnings of social equality. And the sad part about this, is that this stone-faced ditz could be the 1st woman to be commander-in-chief. What a great day that'll be in US history.
oh dear God.. this woman is a flash in the pan. I BEG HER TO RUN AGAINST OBAMA! Barack's a shoe-in. And, by the way, it's pronounced John QUIN' zee Adams. The Quincy Family pronounces it "QUIN' zee". The level of stupidity pervading the airwaves is truly disturbing.
Lol, we no longer have slavery, that is a good thing...hahaha, she has to remind the tparty because lots of them would love a return to the good old days when white men owned everthing and everyone.
John Quincy Adams was born on July 11th 1767, so he would actually have been a week away from turning 9 when the Declaration of Independence was adopted.
When I was growing up in high school, I often had classes people who would write essays for English and present them out loud. I'd always notice how their essays would be full of words they weren't quite sure of how to use, and ultimately sound like a robot with uneven language. I felt confident growing up knowing that these people would either learn to speak thoughtfully or fail to progress very far in life, at least not run for presidency.
Let's dispel this 'worked tirelessly 2 end slavery' MYTH: It's tha same claim crediting LBJ 4 ending Civil Rights discrimination. If I witness a hit & run, I'm presented with some options – let's assume I choose tha one of least involvement, calling 911 & simply leaving tha scene. One may argue I've done my civic duty. Everything tha founding fathers did from ending slave importation (1808) 2 the Emancipation Proclamation (1863) was motivated by either economic or political gain or both.
@MRrhythmsNflows I could try 2 get the offenders plate number, physical description, or comfort tha victim till help arrives perhaps administer medical aid (if so qualified) etc. The point... is my intent 2 help tha victim or merely assuage my conscience. Tha founding fathers were interested only in easing their consciences but unwilling 2 do tha REAL work of 'extinguishing' slavery. They chose instead tha path of least resistance which only served 2 replace one human injustice 4 another.
@MRrhythmsNflows Bcuz truth is... tha founding fathers weren't interested in racial integration. We know this because of what started tha Civil War – tha southern states desire 2 expand slavery into tha new territories versus tha northern states desire 2 prevent its expansion (in order 2 forge an 'all white utopia'). And what happened after the Eman. Proc. is very telling - tha Compromise of 1877 which led 2 tha Jim Crow era which extended well into tha period of tha Civil Rights movement.
@MRrhythmsNflows That tha victims of British tyranny would then inflict even worse tyranny upon another race iz unconscionable. This sadly is tha REAL legacy of tha founding fathers - hypocritical & lacking tha true strength of character it takes 2 evoke sensible, long lasting & meaningful change. They may have been men of great ideals but change isn't forged on ideals alone rather tha courageous acts of those willing to honor ideals (in deeds) and not simply flourishing literary documentation.
Sometimes I wonder how tomorrow's historians will respond when students ask why so many decent people put up with so much idiocy from such stupid, self-absorbed, power-hungry demagogues for so long. Then, I think about the Texas School Board rewriting history and the ways that schools everywhere are being handed over to corporations, and I realize that there probably won't be any historians, let alone history students, to ask such questions in the future.
fucking stupid ignorant lying bitch...PLEASE teabaggers and Kock suckers nominate this crazy fuck as the Repig candidate so we can all have at least a few laughs during the next circle jerk campaign for POTUS!
Too bad John Adams actually was a vociferous foe of slavery. Who cares if Thomas Jefferson owned slaves? He also impregnated one. Still, he did work for abolition in Virginia. So did Ben Franklin in Pennsylvania. I wouldn't say any of them worked "tirelessly" though. Just because she couldn't name any founding fathers, it suddenly becomes factually untrue? Liberal rationalism par excellence.
@r0nchmeister I know right, just because you owned slaves your entire life doesn't mean you supported slavery, how silly is that? Exactly, getting one of your slaves pregnant means you must have wanted to end slavery, great argument.
@r0nchmeister He went around Virginia and said guys we need to stop the slave stuff and they were like don't you own slaves? Yea but we should stop. Why don't you just let your slaves go? Nah, that's stupid, but we should really stop.
@r0nchmeister no it's because the ignorant cunt doesn't have two functioning brain cells to rub together moron, and if you're too stupid to realize this then you DEFINITELY qualify to vote Repugnant...sweet holy jeebus how is it ALL of you Repiglickin assholes are so fucking mentally retarded? The stupid, it MUST hurt!
she is a robot! and needs a history lesson. She doesn't know what the hell she is talking about. If she is my president I am going to jump off a bridge.
John Quincy Adams acted as secretary to John Adams and even went all the way to France with him to plea for naval assistance from the King. They fought British ships on the way.
Imagine that for a second. You're 10, on a battleship for weeks, having a role in securing allies for the revolution, only to later be told you had no part in it!?
He was a founding father. Bachmann was mostly wrong in what she initially said, but you're wrong also, stupid.
@chronDiggity The only stupidity here is from Cenk. It is a never ending attempt to portray republicans as stupid and they have to lie to do it. "We WON independence int 1776"?, No Cenk, you moron, we DECLARED independence in 1776. We didn't win independence until 1783 and the constitution was not ratified until 1789, when John Quincy Adams was 22. Adams participated in the ratification of the constitution, which makes him a founding father.
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 You must be a 12 year old that received a less than marginal education. Bachmann was right, This YoungTurd moron doesn't know what he is talking about.
No she wasn't, John Quincy Adams was not a founding father, his father was. Go back and repeat social studies dipshit, maybe when you get your diploma you can land a lofty career bagging groceries.
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 I guess you have decide what qualifies as a "founding father", if it is a signer of the Declaration of Independence, then Alexander Hamilton is not a founding father. If it is participating in the ratification of the Constitution, then John Adams was not, but John Quincy Adams is. Paul Revere did neither, is he not a founding father?
@bluegsp Dont founding fathers have to be either signers of the Declaration of Independence or delegates during the Constitutional convention of 1787? JQA was neither.
Otherwise we sometimes consider those who contributed in philosophical set up, like T Pain (pun intended), a founding father.
@UncontestedTruth I agree, that he was not a large contributor, but under the definition of both Wikipedia and Britannica (the only two that actually gave a definition,) It was anyone who contributed to the founding of our country. Paul Revere was neither and most people consider him a founding father. Either way, It demonstrates that Bachmann is not "insane" with her reference of JQA and their were a lot of other FF's who tried to abolish slavery. Cenk and these reporters are idiots.
@bluegsp Still not a founding father, you need to go back to 7th grade, any of the great American figures who signed the constitution.......soooooo our special, has to corrolate with the american revolution and those who assembled our government post revolution such as, benjamin franklin, goerge washigton, etc. He was not a founding father and i don't think anyone thinks of Paul reveere as a founding father, thats just you....... war hero , yes kinda, founding father, no
@ocarlson007 Your babbling response was barely coherent, so I am posting the definition from Encyclopedia Britannica
Founding Fathers: The most prominent statesmen of America's Revolutionary generation responsible for the successful war for colonial independence form Great Britain.
They also list people like Abigail Adams, Dolly Madison and Mercy Otis Warren.
Its too bad you did not continue past the 7th grade, you have so much more to learn.
@bluegsp still nothing about an eleven year old boy......so your sounding really stupid right now, he wasn't a statesman either, sooo i don't know were you are mis translating this
@ocarlson007 Of course he was a statesman, what are you retarded? JQA worked on the ratification of the constitution so he did participate in the founding of this nation. Women involved with the founding country are called founding mothers and there is quite a list of them. Your "Colt" analogy is stupid and irrelevant, you make it sound like JQA helped found a different country. I don't know what you are on about with an "11 year old boy", JQA was 22 when the constitution was ratified.
@ocarlson007 at the time he was 11 years old he would have broke the record as the youngest statesman in america dumb shit, i'm talking about during the revolution, not later in life. Thus not a founding father, he was eleven years old! He wasn't even a father, let alone a founding one
Respond to this video... by the way those women aren't founding fathers.....fail, the dictionary might list them as other important figures, but they are not considered founding fathers. If I look up Samuel colt, it might mention other famous gun makers like remington, and others, that doesn't mean they had anything to do with making his guns.
You're just ignorant of the facts. He really did have a role in our revolution and spent most of his life helping our country at it's infancy. You just hear founding father all the time and think a child can't be a father, so your stupid ass dismisses him.
Just think of them as FOUNDERS and take out father, and your puny liberal brain might comprehend.
@chronDiggity I never said he didn't have a role but dose that mean everyone who did is a founder of american society, he wasn't a political activist, he was a soldier, and not even a regular a militia member at that,...... i love how all of you are willing to fuck up facts and history to cover up how much of a dipshit she is, this isn't even a personnel attack on you, i am just appauled how you will defend somone who is completely wrong.
well, you dumb shit, I'm not defending her, just pointing out how ridiculous you people sound acting like John Quincy Adams had absolutely no role in our revolution and the founding of America.
Did you even know he went with his father to France to plead for assistance from the King, fighting British ships on the way?
You sit on an old wooden ship out in the middle of the ocean for months only to have liberal retards say you had nothing to do with the revolution, douche.
@chronDiggity Never said he didn't have a role, in LATER AMERICA, to be a founding father, you had to have been one of the statesman that signed the US constitution, what he did later does not make him a founding father end of story
Respond to this video... I am a historian, revolutionary war reanactor and am a crew member on a the lynx a privateer from 1812, get some bars bitch! I'v been on board a ship for 5 months at a time so why don't you just shut up before I spank you again
Respond to this video... oh and one more time so listen up, I never said he didn't have a part in the revolution, I said he wasn't a founding father, and if I'm a liberal douche, then your a right wing swamp rat who can't admit when the one they adore sounds like a complete fool
Cenk is always eager to show us his stupidity, he said we won independence in 1776, but that is not true, we DECLARED Independence in 1776. The war was not won until 1783 and The constitution was not ratified until 1787 when John Quincy Adams would have been 21, and an apprentice lawyer. There are countless examples of how the founding fathers worked to end slavery. Both Palin and Bachmann were correct about history, and these liberals flout their ignorance and attack them out of stupidity.
@bluegsp . Why did slavery not end in their lifetime if the founding fathers "worked so hard to end slavery?'. Why was Britain, France, and so many other Western Nations ( as well as black african tribes who outlawed slavery in their society) able to end slavery with a stroke of a pen, and not have to fight a civil war that could have NOT ended slavery?Why did so many of the founding fathers ( Washington, Madison, Jefferson, and so many others) owned slaves(hundreds of them)?
@Iwobinator2014 I explained that in my post. The founding fathers wanted to preserve all of the colonies as one nation. If they would have demand emancipation, the south would not have participated. Here are some examples of how they worked to abolish slavery in addition to Article 1 section 9 of the Constitution:
1. In 1794, they prohibited an out-going slave-trade—-that is, the taking of slaves FROM the United States to sell.
@bluegsp . These acts that you have cited are more like actions to prevent the expansion of slavery, not ending it. Like Britain and France the founders could have ended the entire slave system with stroke of a pen.If they really cared about the dignity and human/civil rights of blacks they would have fought to eradicate the entire system. End it point blank. I mean come on it took a CIVIL WAR for the slavery system to really even be threatened, and initially the war was NOT about slavery!!
@Iwobinator2014 Europe did not abolish slavery "with the stroke of a pen". This is an example of your pathetically limited knowledge (or even ability to research) history.
Lets face it, you are in way over your head and your lies and propaganda will never pass the truth test.
@bluegsp . Okay einstein how did Europe end slavery? Britain passed the Slavery Abolition Act 1833 which ended slavery.They did not have to fight a major civil war to do it. And if they did have to use military force it was minuscule and more like a skirmish than a full fledged war(fighting mostly pirates). Your claim that the founding fathers decided that it was worth allowing blacks to be enslaved for the sake of unity (WHITE UNITY) reveals that the founders did not really want equality
@Iwobinator2014 .BTW. I was being facetious when I said "stroke of the pen" you moron. Obviously it takes more than just that to end such a horrible institution. But compared to the way the United States had to end slavery ( southern succession, civil war, mass causalities, bitterness among southerns towards northerners, etc) you could say the Brits way of doing was MUCH LESS damaging
@bluegsp . Are you telling me that "preserving all of the colonies as one nation" is more important than preserving the dignity and humanity of blacks who also fought and died in the American revolution?The American colonist claimed that they had the moral high ground against Britain in their struggle for indepedence. Yet they couldn't extend this supposed moral high ground to the Southern States, stating that they would not be part of a country that LEGALIZES terrorism (U.S slavery)
@Iwobinator2014 You are too stupid to understand that the colonists were taking on the worlds largest super power for independence and logic dictates that it should not have happened and would not have happened without the support of the southern states. At the time of the revolution, slavery was legal and the way of the world, the founding fathers were among the first to speak out against it and attempt to abolish it.
@bluegsp . What does taking on the worlds largest super power for independence have to do with the fact that slavery continued to exist in America almost 100years AFTER the declaration of independence? And remember Britain ended slavery 30 years BEFORE America and did not need a war to do it. And you do realize that many of the founders came from the SOUTH right? You treat the south as if it is some separate entity. The first few presidents came from SOUTHERN SLAVE OWNING STATES
@Iwobinator2014 Again you display your complete ignorance. The north was an industrial economy and south was an agrarian economy, so yes, in that regard, they were "separate entities", and as you have already stated, when the Civil War began, it was not about slavery, but Lincoln emancipated the slaves to rally the north after a series of devastating defeats.(Slavery would have ended soon without the Civil War)
@bluegsp . How do you know that slavery would have ended soon had the Civil War not taking place? You do not know that at all. As entrenched as many southerners were I would bet it would have lasted longer than you think. And the fact that Lincoln emancipated the slaves out of political expediency rather than moral-based illustrate how nonchalant and ineffectual so much of leadership was about ending slavery.
Read this: Complicity: How the North Promoted, Prolonged, and Profited from Slavery
@Iwobinator2014 England abolished slavery in 1772 in a court case (R v Knowles, ex parte Somersett)
While Somersett's case provided a boon to the abolitionist movement and ended the holding of slaves within England, serfdom having died out there centuries before, it did not end British participation in the slave trade or slavery in other parts of the British Empire. The Slavery Abolition Act 1833 only freed slaves under the age of 6 and excluded the holdings of the East India Trading Company.
@bluegsp .Founders "first" to speak out against slavery? WRONG. First of all Queen Nzinga of Angola in the late 1500s fought to end the slave trade in Angola. King Affonso of the Kongo in the same period wrote a letter to the Portugese Monarch demanding and end to the slave trade because it was decimating African societies adjacent to the Kongo (they depended on these societies for trade and commerce). The kingdom of Benin in the 1600s prevented Europeans from acquiring slaves.
@Iwobinator2014 If you had any clue about the founding of this country, you would know that the founders drafted the constitution to limit the power of the federal government (few and enumerated). Each colony (or state) was like its own sovereign country united for common goals (hence the name United States of America) but if they wanted independence for England they would have to ban together.
That's correct. They all needed to. New York wouldn't vote yes, but they didn't stand in the way. Everyone else voted yes, and that's what they said they would need to declare independence.
2. In 1798, they prohibited the bringing of slaves from Africa, INTO the Mississippi Territory—-this territory then comprising what are now the States of Mississippi and Alabama. This was TEN YEARS before they had the authority to do the same thing as to the States existing at the adoption of the constitution.
3.In 1800 they prohibited AMERICAN CITIZENS from trading in slaves between foreign countries—-as, for instance, from Africa to Brazil.
4. In 1803 they passed a law in aid of one or two State laws, in restraint of the internal slave trade.
5. In 1807, in apparent hot haste, they passed the law, nearly a year in advance to take effect the first day of 1808—-the very first day the constitution would permit—-prohibiting the African slave trade by heavy pecuniary and corporal penalties.
6.In 1820, finding these provisions ineffectual, they declared the trade piracy, and annexed to it, the extreme penalty of death. While all this was passing in the general government, five or six of the original slave States had adopted systems of gradual emancipation; and by which the institution was rapidly becoming extinct within these limits.
They hedged and hemmed it in to the narrowest limits of necessity.
It is amazing how ignorant liberals are of American History. Bachmann was right, the founding fathers did work to end slavery but they knew they would lose the southern colonies, Virginia, North and South Carolina and Georgia if they tried to do it immediately. As a comprise, Art. 1 Sec 9 does not allow congress to restrict the slave trade for 30 years. There are many examples like that, too many to list here. These reporters shouldn't confront people on issues they know nothing about.
Wow, she doesn't even try to hide the fact that she's not going to answer the question. "Well, what's marvelous is that slavery is wrong and no longer exists." OK you disrespectful asshole please shut the hell up.
While I agree that Bachmann misspoke, I find it ironic and a bit hilarious that the host is lambasting her for this error by making one just as egregious. We didn't *win* independence in 1776. We *declared* independence in 1776. We didn't win until the war ended in 1783. When every word you speak is dissected by millions, it is easy to err.
@EllenSmyth Yeah but it's one thing to make an error but its another when you refuse to admit it and still stick by a lie which in this case Bachmann does. This makes her completely ignorant.
I agree, @trooper40below, and it is so frustrating when politicians desperately cling to their falsehoods. Why can't they simply admit when they are wrong? This is painfully obvious with Sarah Palin, but don't all politicians do this? What politicians admit they are wrong, especially on the first go around?
The problem with the GOP and the Tea party, theforgot how the world know days, U.S. isn't the super power as before, thanks to those politician who gave away donze tax loop holes for company to operate oversea without paying those taxes (GE, Walmart etc..) middle class as we know is all gone.
When anyone in public office describes anything as "a good thing" or "a bad thing" I immediately become worried.
Yet again the teabaggers show their absurd grip on American history. It makes my head spin that I, sitting here in Scotland and never having been to the US, apparently know more about the history of the USA than the teabaggers, or most Repubicans do. Scary.
That's typical politicians (not just repubs or teabaggers). They NEVER take a statement back or admit that they're wrong, even when they're so obviously wrong. They always try to juke and jive away from the questions asked of them and even if they're asked a simple yes or no question they STILL try to answer a question that wasn't even asked.
Even though this bitch is obviously full of shit with her statement about the founding fathers, like most christians always are, however she IS right that the U.S is pretty much pissing away its rights. Has been for a while.
Thank you Michelle for the revisionist history lesson. Now down to brass tacks, Michelle would replace the Constitution with the Bible. The Bible as the statement of faith and laws of the new US would have homosexuals being "disciplined and stoned," unruly children being stoned at the city limits, people who commit adultery being stoned, rape as a weapon of war, pillaging, wearing of 2 types of cloth would be prohibited, working on the Sabbath would cause the death penalty, and on and on. Really
impressive statement of faith Michelle. Also, slavery would be reinstated as a way of life for those who could not afford to pay their own way. The taking of prisoners, would lead to the enslavement of those captured and slaves bought and sold as property. Is this what you want America? Are we to turn back the hands of time, to the Dark Ages, medical care in the hands of an imperfect and unwieldy god? Are we to believe that this is what the American people want? Are you sure Amerikkka?
@journeyer58 Agreed. The Bible has no place is civilized reality. It never has. It has always been the greatest weapon Our primate brains could come up with.
I'm embarrassed by the republican party ONLY in as much as I care about the reputation of the country as a whole; I cannot feel sorry for them or be embarrassed by them all on their own...they're digging their own graves, not mine, by their chowderheadedness.
@BionicDance Palin and Bachmann continually in news with headlines exposing their intellect damaged the republican party's image. The sad part is they are damaging the image of women too.
@77Totems I d'know...in a weird way they're almost affirming. It's like, "Wow...I am SO not like that, and I think the rest of the world knows it. They know these idiots are not representations of women in general, and they serve more as contrast than as examples."
...at least, that's kind of how I feel about it, anyway.
@OukaKisa The incredible thing about this interview is that Stephanopoulos will be cast by the Tea Party as an evil mainstream media reporter that asked poor Michelle a "gotcha" question and picked on her. Reality is not part of the agenda for these people.
WOW! Its amazing that people representing the Tea Party like Bachmann and Palin, dont know 5th grade American history! And, whats WORSE is that they REFUSE to be corrected when their mistakes are pointed out to them. They are certainly counting on low information voters, aka, FOX viewers, for their support.
@0mega101 ... big business will just take over the White House and rape American domestic policy, and foreign policy would descend into more wars to shore up the defence industry. But the politicians will get richer for sure.
Don't get me wrong. Everything else Cenk said was pure gold. It's just a tad ironic when you're bashing someone else for getting their Revolutionary War facts wrong. Bachmann's screwup is WAY worse.
I more posted that as an FYI to everyone ELSE as to what happened in 1776.
Actually, no. It's a bit ironic but it's a common mistake so no biggie. We didn't quite "win" our independence in 1776, not really.
askdavetaylor [dot] com/what_happened_on_july_4_1776 [dot] html
"It took years before the relationship between England and the new United States of America, all 13 states, became cordial, not tense, years during which other countries like Germany and France played a surprisingly large role."
Even after being confronted with the erroneous statement, she still didn't blink. Now r us sure u want someone like this for president? I mean she didn't even bother to verify her facts before airing them, and it's not the first time.
its almost rude to try and represent american woman with Bachman and Palin I mean the world will think thats what woman are like in the US.
They are nothing more than jiggling bags of botox and hollow statements.
Making statements like this should be equal to a police officers stating false laws, they should know this stuff they are running and are in office this is what they are supposed to learn.
They dont know anything about the country except for what their handlers tells them..useless
@geebus80 What grade did you finish in school? Why even bother using punctuation? That is one thing that makes me laugh. I keep seeing newscasts, articles, and comments about how much more educated liberals are? I beg to differ. Just because you have a degree, doesn't mean a thing if you ain't got that swing. Meaning, you have to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Especially when it comes to the news from liberals. You can tell they use spell check and still get them incorrect.
Jefferson himself had introduced a bill designed to end slavery (The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D. C.: Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1903), Vol. I, p. 4. )
[N]ever in my life did I own a slave. 10 John Adams,
(The Works of John Adams, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown and Co., 1854) Vol. IX, p. 92, letter to George Churchman and Jacob Lindley on January 24, 1801.)
anthonyehooker 3 days ago
. . . a disposition to abolish slavery prevails in North America, that many of Pennsylvanians have set their slaves at liberty, and that even the Virginia Assembly have petitioned the King for permission to make a law for preventing the importation of more into that colony. This request, however, will probably not be granted as their former laws of that kind have always been repealed. (The Works of Benjamin Franklin, , editor (Boston: Tappan, Whittemore, and Mason, 1839), Vol. VIII, p. 42,
anthonyehooker 3 days ago
Many of our founding fathers were abolitionist. Most were. I wish the liberals would just check history. History written before the 1920 revisionist got hold of it. 75% !! Benjamin Franklin, in a 1773 letter to Dean Woodward, confirmed that whenever the Americans had attempted to end slavery, the British government had indeed thwarted those attempts. (cont.)
anthonyehooker 3 days ago
Michele Bachmann is so fucking retarded
ace1012006 1 week ago
CENK OGRE OR WHAT EVER THE HELL YOUR NAME IS YOUR A TURK DID YOU KNOW GOD HATES TURKS MEANING YOU TURKISH DEVILS
TheRivetthead 1 week ago
dropouts in my highschool know better history than her...
MrBsct 2 weeks ago
Thomas Paine was fervently anti-slavery and was a Founding Father (from my town in Norfolk UK). His anti-slavery views led to his exclusion from the early years of the republic. Sadly republicans never mention him due to his ridiculing of Christianity, support of progressive taxation, support for indigenous Americans and coming up with the old-age pension. More sadly for me he is neither mentioned by non-morons/republicans.
edwardlsanders 3 weeks ago
In this day and age, the republican abstinence "education" is making sure we have some 11 year old fathers..
junoguten 1 month ago
I can't even stand to listen to an entire 3 minute video of this slut.
merrittdude 1 month ago
lololololol i love it when politicians just go on about nothing without answering the question directly.
IndividualParties 1 month ago
lol she actually can do one thing right. she can bring people together..to hate on her because people regardles of political party we can all agree shes just an idiot.
GeoAl09 1 month ago
Lying Ass bitch...Great song to describe this lyin ass bitch...
pooyan6969 1 month ago
Look at her emotionless face!! She refuses 2 accept she is wrong!!!!!
ZOMBIETH44 1 month ago
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@ZOMBIETH44 - She is no better than Sara Palin.
69johnwc 2 weeks ago
Most of the founding fathers OWNED SLAVES YOU CRAZY NUTJOB
floresebu 1 month ago
Bachmann was wrong, but there were founders who did work against slavery or at least spoke out against it, Thomas Paine and Franklin.
clarkbailey1973 1 month ago
@clarkbailey1973 Bachmann isn't where I go to get history, nor should anyone else.
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kluber2 1 month ago
@clarkbailey1973 - Founders like John Quicny Adams...who was 11 yrs old at the time. LOL she is a lunatic, like most Republicunts.
kluber2 1 month ago
Don't think that Republicans who pay attention like this demagogue. That's why she's out of the race.
cdoftx 1 month ago
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@cdoftx "Don't think that Republicans who pay attention like this demagogue. That's why she's out of the race."
But, now Rick Santorum is the new Republican favorite. I don't see much difference. Truth is, the once respectable Republican party has been hijacked by the Tea Party fanatic fringe.
markhinr 2 weeks ago
haha shes creepy!
shadburgess30 2 months ago
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YOUTUBE: "Michele Bachmann Endorses Ron Paul" amazing political hypocrisy! The lady IS a lyin-ass-b!
marcusSchmarcus 2 months ago
Well, at least I had a laugh...XD
ratonL 2 months ago
We were given inalienable rights in the USA.
Check out Bachmann as candidate ??
It seems to be ok ....thus far if this woman ran.
I'm here checking it out as well....as others.
Pressed for time because, to the public: we all witnessed the heart attacks, the medical treatment is/was horrendous AND ALL are/have been working out more. Then they could eat IF THAT is a means for stress released... But Ahmadinejad was in Erie County's large Univ. Med. Sch's commercial as a Doctor/Terrorist
JoseCleveland 2 months ago
Do your homework regarding the founding fathers regarding their viewpoint on slavery. Propaganda hacks. Bachmann should learn her history better also, but you're just as guilty for posting a video like this without understanding the whole issue. There's tons of records including letters and assorted quotes from many of our founding fathers regarding their repugnation of slavery. To classify the fathers as racists is to nullify the DOI and US Const. I guess that's the point though.
spindillio 2 months ago 2
@spindillio yes they were so repugnated at slavery that they owned them...
ThePowerV3 2 months ago
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she wants more americans to die serving the zionist state of israel. no more lies for israels wars, when did america because nazis? our founding fathers sure as hell didnt want us invading countries and murdering millions who never did shit to us. that is what nazis and communist do not america , well we use to not do that until the zionist got into our government .
PatriotRadioMilitia 2 months ago
I'm ashamed she is from my state.
JetsToReason 2 months ago
Why is it such a horrible thing to admit that you were wrong?
abret69 2 months ago
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PSNy2kUK 3 months ago
Even though certain people within the Founding Fathers who were against slavery..... Michelle Bauchman obviously didn't know about them.
ryukXsayu27 3 months ago
Keep digging a hole for yourself Bachmann.
Mimi2591 3 months ago
Africans sold there own people in slavery its not there fault
JDPKRevolution 4 months ago
She's actually right- the Founders did work to end slavery. Thomas Jefferson attempted to multiple times. However, as to why she chose to talk about John Quincy Adams is beyond me. He's definitely one the last few great presidents from the founding era but I don't think I would consider him a Founding Father.
Pantalaimon345 4 months ago
@Pantalaimon345 Come visit VA and get real history. No they certainly did not. None of them
splicedenergy 3 months ago
Well, in one way, she was correct...they did address the issue of slavery quite often when devising the Constitution and it was resolved... to be resolved at a later date (little did they know it was going to be a war). Even some slave owning statesmen, like Jefferson was for the abolishment of slavery. So for all the Dems out there who want politicians to compromise - not ridding the US of slavery was their first compromise.
rolling126r 5 months ago
@rolling126r call a spade a spade how they were pro- slavery and every generation should learn that how can you participle in slavery and oppose it
sims24025 5 months ago
@sims24025 In 200 years there might be a person like you asking "How could all those liberals be for the killing of innocent babes??" Context of the time matters...Secondly, people who smoke can explain to how you can do something and know it's bad, and not want it to their children to do it, but can't help it because they depend upon it.
rolling126r 5 months ago
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Where, oh where is the REAL TEA PARTY? "Occupy Wall Street"people warned not to let their efforts get hijacked (like the GOP hijacked the Tea Party) Napolitano suggests common goals.
End the Fed
End the wars
End the income tax
/watch?v=nF30eMuWFHI
vechorik 4 months ago
@sims24025 how can you oppose killing and pay taxes that support wars?
ZKoftherebellion 2 months ago
How 'bout TheYoungTurds ask nObama-rama-ding-dong how many US states there are because he thinks there are 57 of them.
BloodTar 6 months ago
@BloodTar at least the guy admits his mistakes and not dance around shit like this dingus.
menkeion 6 months ago
@menkeion
That still doesn't let your guy off the hook for being illinformed, unlearned and an idiot to boot.
BloodTar 6 months ago
@BloodTar I was referencing Obama admitting his mistakes. Did you watch the damn video? She clearly doesn't understand a damn thing about the Founding Fathers and slavery. Cenk is just pointing out the frickin obvious as usual when it comes to people like her and Palin. The constant stupidity, and immaturity to admit mistakes is disturbing for a person striving for a position she is going for.
menkeion 6 months ago
@menkeion
Okay, so when and where did Obama admit that he was wrong about his 57 states remark?
BloodTar 6 months ago
@BloodTar Got me there, I swore there was somewhere I heard he was referencing to the entire U.S. union. But even so, he's human, and slip ups are slip ups, not that he's off the hook, but not understanding basic history of the U.S. on a consistent basis as she does? Unacceptable.
menkeion 6 months ago
@BloodTar messing up on one things that he clearly messed up on, not didnt realyl know the answer, is one thing... actually after the fact of saying something stupid, and then reaffirming it like michelle bachmann did, now thats just retarded. Obama at least retracted what he said and contributed it to being exhausted (campaigns do that). Michelle Bachmann said something just as retarded, and stuck by it, thats worse.
eddieisfiction 4 months ago
@eddieisfiction
Good excuse, I didn't fall for it but I'm sure it works for you and your fellow libtards.
BloodTar 4 months ago
@BloodTar its not really an excuse... its a pretty good reason... and to be honest michelle bachmann could have used the same reason, instead she chose to embrace her inner retard and believe the crap shes saying. Thats the difference.. and yeah its not a good excuse for her.
eddieisfiction 4 months ago
She was wrong but the people accusing her of not knowing anything about the Founding Fathers don't really know anything either.
8TheManWithNoName8 6 months ago
Why don't you hold Obama accountable for his mistakes he called Russia the Soviet Union in his first run for President. He also did not know the number of states in the USA
Redstenox 6 months ago
@Redstenox Yeah but he owned up to them. What does this jackass do every single time someone brings up her gaffes, dance around it or go blame liberals for just pointing out her shit. It's one thing to mispeak, it's another thing to constantly not know any facts on history, etc. and act immature when someone just points it out. Oh yeah she recently said the Soviet Union was on the rise. ON THE RISE?.....
menkeion 6 months ago
Why didn't she instead mention John Adams, Hamilton, or Franklin as better examples of abolutionists?
MrNicMachiavelli 6 months ago
@TheBigfanofeminem ur such an idiot!! She has to be one of the stupidest people on earth!! It'll be a sad day for America when Michele Bachmann becomes president!!!
talkingmuffin98 6 months ago
She is such an idiot
talkingmuffin98 6 months ago
Ron Paul is the only candidate who is not on the take
effrin999 6 months ago
We recognize that a Civil War was necessary to end slavery and that it took another 80 years for the beginnings of social equality. And the sad part about this, is that this stone-faced ditz could be the 1st woman to be commander-in-chief. What a great day that'll be in US history.
R4t10n4L 7 months ago
I question your sanity if you're only just now questioning the conservative's sanity..
PushBeats 7 months ago
@squigly.. you're wrong about that.. dems apologize all the time.. it's annoying.
PushBeats 7 months ago
oh dear God.. this woman is a flash in the pan. I BEG HER TO RUN AGAINST OBAMA! Barack's a shoe-in. And, by the way, it's pronounced John QUIN' zee Adams. The Quincy Family pronounces it "QUIN' zee". The level of stupidity pervading the airwaves is truly disturbing.
Shubael1809 7 months ago
Lol, we no longer have slavery, that is a good thing...hahaha, she has to remind the tparty because lots of them would love a return to the good old days when white men owned everthing and everyone.
sissyfist 7 months ago
its time to start it up tea party lets party
hotrod4you2 7 months ago
Fuck, this host is annoying!
MCrue2 7 months ago
John Quincy Adams was born on July 11th 1767, so he would actually have been a week away from turning 9 when the Declaration of Independence was adopted.
Just thought I'd point that out...
Boyninja616 7 months ago
When I was growing up in high school, I often had classes people who would write essays for English and present them out loud. I'd always notice how their essays would be full of words they weren't quite sure of how to use, and ultimately sound like a robot with uneven language. I felt confident growing up knowing that these people would either learn to speak thoughtfully or fail to progress very far in life, at least not run for presidency.
Behold.
theshonen8899 7 months ago
Let's dispel this 'worked tirelessly 2 end slavery' MYTH: It's tha same claim crediting LBJ 4 ending Civil Rights discrimination. If I witness a hit & run, I'm presented with some options – let's assume I choose tha one of least involvement, calling 911 & simply leaving tha scene. One may argue I've done my civic duty. Everything tha founding fathers did from ending slave importation (1808) 2 the Emancipation Proclamation (1863) was motivated by either economic or political gain or both.
MRrhythmsNflows 7 months ago
@MRrhythmsNflows I could try 2 get the offenders plate number, physical description, or comfort tha victim till help arrives perhaps administer medical aid (if so qualified) etc. The point... is my intent 2 help tha victim or merely assuage my conscience. Tha founding fathers were interested only in easing their consciences but unwilling 2 do tha REAL work of 'extinguishing' slavery. They chose instead tha path of least resistance which only served 2 replace one human injustice 4 another.
MRrhythmsNflows 7 months ago
@MRrhythmsNflows Bcuz truth is... tha founding fathers weren't interested in racial integration. We know this because of what started tha Civil War – tha southern states desire 2 expand slavery into tha new territories versus tha northern states desire 2 prevent its expansion (in order 2 forge an 'all white utopia'). And what happened after the Eman. Proc. is very telling - tha Compromise of 1877 which led 2 tha Jim Crow era which extended well into tha period of tha Civil Rights movement.
MRrhythmsNflows 7 months ago
@MRrhythmsNflows That tha victims of British tyranny would then inflict even worse tyranny upon another race iz unconscionable. This sadly is tha REAL legacy of tha founding fathers - hypocritical & lacking tha true strength of character it takes 2 evoke sensible, long lasting & meaningful change. They may have been men of great ideals but change isn't forged on ideals alone rather tha courageous acts of those willing to honor ideals (in deeds) and not simply flourishing literary documentation.
MRrhythmsNflows 7 months ago
Some of them fought slavery...some of them owned slaves.
Baroque1750 7 months ago
"PLEASE STOP TALKING!"
hunkeychunkeymunkey 7 months ago
Sometimes I wonder how tomorrow's historians will respond when students ask why so many decent people put up with so much idiocy from such stupid, self-absorbed, power-hungry demagogues for so long. Then, I think about the Texas School Board rewriting history and the ways that schools everywhere are being handed over to corporations, and I realize that there probably won't be any historians, let alone history students, to ask such questions in the future.
godzilla1979 7 months ago
fucking stupid ignorant lying bitch...PLEASE teabaggers and Kock suckers nominate this crazy fuck as the Repig candidate so we can all have at least a few laughs during the next circle jerk campaign for POTUS!
oneirishpoet 7 months ago 16
@oneirishpoet she is so smart dude why cant u see it? she is one of the smartest people ever probally an I.Q of 150
TheBigfanofeminem 7 months ago
Too bad John Adams actually was a vociferous foe of slavery. Who cares if Thomas Jefferson owned slaves? He also impregnated one. Still, he did work for abolition in Virginia. So did Ben Franklin in Pennsylvania. I wouldn't say any of them worked "tirelessly" though. Just because she couldn't name any founding fathers, it suddenly becomes factually untrue? Liberal rationalism par excellence.
r0nchmeister 8 months ago
@r0nchmeister I know right, just because you owned slaves your entire life doesn't mean you supported slavery, how silly is that? Exactly, getting one of your slaves pregnant means you must have wanted to end slavery, great argument.
adrenacrumb 7 months ago
@r0nchmeister He went around Virginia and said guys we need to stop the slave stuff and they were like don't you own slaves? Yea but we should stop. Why don't you just let your slaves go? Nah, that's stupid, but we should really stop.
adrenacrumb 7 months ago
@r0nchmeister no it's because the ignorant cunt doesn't have two functioning brain cells to rub together moron, and if you're too stupid to realize this then you DEFINITELY qualify to vote Repugnant...sweet holy jeebus how is it ALL of you Repiglickin assholes are so fucking mentally retarded? The stupid, it MUST hurt!
oneirishpoet 7 months ago
she is a robot! and needs a history lesson. She doesn't know what the hell she is talking about. If she is my president I am going to jump off a bridge.
ocarlson007 8 months ago
"The founding fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery." What the heck?
pillowsnake94 8 months ago
Oh hey, I'm going to change the subject...
FROZYO 8 months ago
And people wonder why so many young folks are praying for the zombie apocalypse instead of voting...
CaptainKaddywhak 8 months ago
Cenk, you're wrong.
John Quincy Adams acted as secretary to John Adams and even went all the way to France with him to plea for naval assistance from the King. They fought British ships on the way.
Imagine that for a second. You're 10, on a battleship for weeks, having a role in securing allies for the revolution, only to later be told you had no part in it!?
He was a founding father. Bachmann was mostly wrong in what she initially said, but you're wrong also, stupid.
chronDiggity 8 months ago
@chronDiggity The only stupidity here is from Cenk. It is a never ending attempt to portray republicans as stupid and they have to lie to do it. "We WON independence int 1776"?, No Cenk, you moron, we DECLARED independence in 1776. We didn't win independence until 1783 and the constitution was not ratified until 1789, when John Quincy Adams was 22. Adams participated in the ratification of the constitution, which makes him a founding father.
bluegsp 8 months ago
What's especially funny is that this clueless bimbo has a law degree and doesn't know something any marginally educated american 12 year old knows.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 8 months ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 You must be a 12 year old that received a less than marginal education. Bachmann was right, This YoungTurd moron doesn't know what he is talking about.
bluegsp 8 months ago
@bluegsp "Bachmann was right"
No she wasn't, John Quincy Adams was not a founding father, his father was. Go back and repeat social studies dipshit, maybe when you get your diploma you can land a lofty career bagging groceries.
JACKtheRIPP3R189 8 months ago
@JACKtheRIPP3R189 I guess you have decide what qualifies as a "founding father", if it is a signer of the Declaration of Independence, then Alexander Hamilton is not a founding father. If it is participating in the ratification of the Constitution, then John Adams was not, but John Quincy Adams is. Paul Revere did neither, is he not a founding father?
Your ignorance is appalling. Liberal morons! XD
bluegsp 8 months ago
@bluegsp Dont founding fathers have to be either signers of the Declaration of Independence or delegates during the Constitutional convention of 1787? JQA was neither.
Otherwise we sometimes consider those who contributed in philosophical set up, like T Pain (pun intended), a founding father.
But I dont quite think JQA is a founding father.
UncontestedTruth 8 months ago
@UncontestedTruth I agree, that he was not a large contributor, but under the definition of both Wikipedia and Britannica (the only two that actually gave a definition,) It was anyone who contributed to the founding of our country. Paul Revere was neither and most people consider him a founding father. Either way, It demonstrates that Bachmann is not "insane" with her reference of JQA and their were a lot of other FF's who tried to abolish slavery. Cenk and these reporters are idiots.
bluegsp 8 months ago
@bluegsp Still not a founding father, you need to go back to 7th grade, any of the great American figures who signed the constitution.......soooooo our special, has to corrolate with the american revolution and those who assembled our government post revolution such as, benjamin franklin, goerge washigton, etc. He was not a founding father and i don't think anyone thinks of Paul reveere as a founding father, thats just you....... war hero , yes kinda, founding father, no
ocarlson007 8 months ago
@ocarlson007 Your babbling response was barely coherent, so I am posting the definition from Encyclopedia Britannica
Founding Fathers: The most prominent statesmen of America's Revolutionary generation responsible for the successful war for colonial independence form Great Britain.
They also list people like Abigail Adams, Dolly Madison and Mercy Otis Warren.
Its too bad you did not continue past the 7th grade, you have so much more to learn.
bluegsp 8 months ago
@bluegsp still nothing about an eleven year old boy......so your sounding really stupid right now, he wasn't a statesman either, sooo i don't know were you are mis translating this
ocarlson007 8 months ago
@ocarlson007 Of course he was a statesman, what are you retarded? JQA worked on the ratification of the constitution so he did participate in the founding of this nation. Women involved with the founding country are called founding mothers and there is quite a list of them. Your "Colt" analogy is stupid and irrelevant, you make it sound like JQA helped found a different country. I don't know what you are on about with an "11 year old boy", JQA was 22 when the constitution was ratified.
bluegsp 8 months ago
@ocarlson007 at the time he was 11 years old he would have broke the record as the youngest statesman in america dumb shit, i'm talking about during the revolution, not later in life. Thus not a founding father, he was eleven years old! He wasn't even a father, let alone a founding one
ocarlson007 8 months ago
Respond to this video... by the way those women aren't founding fathers.....fail, the dictionary might list them as other important figures, but they are not considered founding fathers. If I look up Samuel colt, it might mention other famous gun makers like remington, and others, that doesn't mean they had anything to do with making his guns.
ocarlson007 8 months ago
@ocarlson007
You're just ignorant of the facts. He really did have a role in our revolution and spent most of his life helping our country at it's infancy. You just hear founding father all the time and think a child can't be a father, so your stupid ass dismisses him.
Just think of them as FOUNDERS and take out father, and your puny liberal brain might comprehend.
chronDiggity 8 months ago
@chronDiggity I never said he didn't have a role but dose that mean everyone who did is a founder of american society, he wasn't a political activist, he was a soldier, and not even a regular a militia member at that,...... i love how all of you are willing to fuck up facts and history to cover up how much of a dipshit she is, this isn't even a personnel attack on you, i am just appauled how you will defend somone who is completely wrong.
ocarlson007 8 months ago
@ocarlson007
well, you dumb shit, I'm not defending her, just pointing out how ridiculous you people sound acting like John Quincy Adams had absolutely no role in our revolution and the founding of America.
Did you even know he went with his father to France to plead for assistance from the King, fighting British ships on the way?
You sit on an old wooden ship out in the middle of the ocean for months only to have liberal retards say you had nothing to do with the revolution, douche.
chronDiggity 8 months ago
@chronDiggity Never said he didn't have a role, in LATER AMERICA, to be a founding father, you had to have been one of the statesman that signed the US constitution, what he did later does not make him a founding father end of story
ocarlson007 8 months ago
Respond to this video... I am a historian, revolutionary war reanactor and am a crew member on a the lynx a privateer from 1812, get some bars bitch! I'v been on board a ship for 5 months at a time so why don't you just shut up before I spank you again
ocarlson007 8 months ago
Respond to this video... oh and one more time so listen up, I never said he didn't have a part in the revolution, I said he wasn't a founding father, and if I'm a liberal douche, then your a right wing swamp rat who can't admit when the one they adore sounds like a complete fool
ocarlson007 8 months ago
@ocarlson007
you're assuming everything about my feelings towards Bachmann because you're an idiot, as made evident by your comments.
I SAY GOOD DAY SIR
chronDiggity 8 months ago
Bachmann is an ignorant wingnut. Worse than Palin & Trump.
sutircomed 8 months ago
Cenk is always eager to show us his stupidity, he said we won independence in 1776, but that is not true, we DECLARED Independence in 1776. The war was not won until 1783 and The constitution was not ratified until 1787 when John Quincy Adams would have been 21, and an apprentice lawyer. There are countless examples of how the founding fathers worked to end slavery. Both Palin and Bachmann were correct about history, and these liberals flout their ignorance and attack them out of stupidity.
bluegsp 8 months ago
@bluegsp . Why did slavery not end in their lifetime if the founding fathers "worked so hard to end slavery?'. Why was Britain, France, and so many other Western Nations ( as well as black african tribes who outlawed slavery in their society) able to end slavery with a stroke of a pen, and not have to fight a civil war that could have NOT ended slavery?Why did so many of the founding fathers ( Washington, Madison, Jefferson, and so many others) owned slaves(hundreds of them)?
Iwobinator2014 8 months ago
@Iwobinator2014 I explained that in my post. The founding fathers wanted to preserve all of the colonies as one nation. If they would have demand emancipation, the south would not have participated. Here are some examples of how they worked to abolish slavery in addition to Article 1 section 9 of the Constitution:
1. In 1794, they prohibited an out-going slave-trade—-that is, the taking of slaves FROM the United States to sell.
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bluegsp 8 months ago
@bluegsp . These acts that you have cited are more like actions to prevent the expansion of slavery, not ending it. Like Britain and France the founders could have ended the entire slave system with stroke of a pen.If they really cared about the dignity and human/civil rights of blacks they would have fought to eradicate the entire system. End it point blank. I mean come on it took a CIVIL WAR for the slavery system to really even be threatened, and initially the war was NOT about slavery!!
Iwobinator2014 8 months ago
@Iwobinator2014 Europe did not abolish slavery "with the stroke of a pen". This is an example of your pathetically limited knowledge (or even ability to research) history.
Lets face it, you are in way over your head and your lies and propaganda will never pass the truth test.
bluegsp 8 months ago
@bluegsp . Okay einstein how did Europe end slavery? Britain passed the Slavery Abolition Act 1833 which ended slavery.They did not have to fight a major civil war to do it. And if they did have to use military force it was minuscule and more like a skirmish than a full fledged war(fighting mostly pirates). Your claim that the founding fathers decided that it was worth allowing blacks to be enslaved for the sake of unity (WHITE UNITY) reveals that the founders did not really want equality
Iwobinator2014 8 months ago
@Iwobinator2014 .BTW. I was being facetious when I said "stroke of the pen" you moron. Obviously it takes more than just that to end such a horrible institution. But compared to the way the United States had to end slavery ( southern succession, civil war, mass causalities, bitterness among southerns towards northerners, etc) you could say the Brits way of doing was MUCH LESS damaging
Iwobinator2014 8 months ago
@bluegsp . Are you telling me that "preserving all of the colonies as one nation" is more important than preserving the dignity and humanity of blacks who also fought and died in the American revolution?The American colonist claimed that they had the moral high ground against Britain in their struggle for indepedence. Yet they couldn't extend this supposed moral high ground to the Southern States, stating that they would not be part of a country that LEGALIZES terrorism (U.S slavery)
Iwobinator2014 8 months ago
@Iwobinator2014 You are too stupid to understand that the colonists were taking on the worlds largest super power for independence and logic dictates that it should not have happened and would not have happened without the support of the southern states. At the time of the revolution, slavery was legal and the way of the world, the founding fathers were among the first to speak out against it and attempt to abolish it.
bluegsp 8 months ago
@bluegsp . What does taking on the worlds largest super power for independence have to do with the fact that slavery continued to exist in America almost 100years AFTER the declaration of independence? And remember Britain ended slavery 30 years BEFORE America and did not need a war to do it. And you do realize that many of the founders came from the SOUTH right? You treat the south as if it is some separate entity. The first few presidents came from SOUTHERN SLAVE OWNING STATES
Iwobinator2014 8 months ago
@Iwobinator2014 Again you display your complete ignorance. The north was an industrial economy and south was an agrarian economy, so yes, in that regard, they were "separate entities", and as you have already stated, when the Civil War began, it was not about slavery, but Lincoln emancipated the slaves to rally the north after a series of devastating defeats.(Slavery would have ended soon without the Civil War)
bluegsp 8 months ago
@bluegsp . How do you know that slavery would have ended soon had the Civil War not taking place? You do not know that at all. As entrenched as many southerners were I would bet it would have lasted longer than you think. And the fact that Lincoln emancipated the slaves out of political expediency rather than moral-based illustrate how nonchalant and ineffectual so much of leadership was about ending slavery.
Read this: Complicity: How the North Promoted, Prolonged, and Profited from Slavery
Iwobinator2014 8 months ago
@Iwobinator2014 England abolished slavery in 1772 in a court case (R v Knowles, ex parte Somersett)
While Somersett's case provided a boon to the abolitionist movement and ended the holding of slaves within England, serfdom having died out there centuries before, it did not end British participation in the slave trade or slavery in other parts of the British Empire. The Slavery Abolition Act 1833 only freed slaves under the age of 6 and excluded the holdings of the East India Trading Company.
bluegsp 8 months ago
@bluegsp .Founders "first" to speak out against slavery? WRONG. First of all Queen Nzinga of Angola in the late 1500s fought to end the slave trade in Angola. King Affonso of the Kongo in the same period wrote a letter to the Portugese Monarch demanding and end to the slave trade because it was decimating African societies adjacent to the Kongo (they depended on these societies for trade and commerce). The kingdom of Benin in the 1600s prevented Europeans from acquiring slaves.
Iwobinator2014 8 months ago
@Iwobinator2014 If you had any clue about the founding of this country, you would know that the founders drafted the constitution to limit the power of the federal government (few and enumerated). Each colony (or state) was like its own sovereign country united for common goals (hence the name United States of America) but if they wanted independence for England they would have to ban together.
bluegsp 8 months ago
@bluegsp
That's correct. They all needed to. New York wouldn't vote yes, but they didn't stand in the way. Everyone else voted yes, and that's what they said they would need to declare independence.
chronDiggity 8 months ago
@Iwobinator2014
2. In 1798, they prohibited the bringing of slaves from Africa, INTO the Mississippi Territory—-this territory then comprising what are now the States of Mississippi and Alabama. This was TEN YEARS before they had the authority to do the same thing as to the States existing at the adoption of the constitution.
3.In 1800 they prohibited AMERICAN CITIZENS from trading in slaves between foreign countries—-as, for instance, from Africa to Brazil.
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bluegsp 8 months ago
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4. In 1803 they passed a law in aid of one or two State laws, in restraint of the internal slave trade.
5. In 1807, in apparent hot haste, they passed the law, nearly a year in advance to take effect the first day of 1808—-the very first day the constitution would permit—-prohibiting the African slave trade by heavy pecuniary and corporal penalties.
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bluegsp 8 months ago
@Iwobinator2014
6.In 1820, finding these provisions ineffectual, they declared the trade piracy, and annexed to it, the extreme penalty of death. While all this was passing in the general government, five or six of the original slave States had adopted systems of gradual emancipation; and by which the institution was rapidly becoming extinct within these limits.
They hedged and hemmed it in to the narrowest limits of necessity.
bluegsp 8 months ago
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It is amazing how ignorant liberals are of American History. Bachmann was right, the founding fathers did work to end slavery but they knew they would lose the southern colonies, Virginia, North and South Carolina and Georgia if they tried to do it immediately. As a comprise, Art. 1 Sec 9 does not allow congress to restrict the slave trade for 30 years. There are many examples like that, too many to list here. These reporters shouldn't confront people on issues they know nothing about.
bluegsp 8 months ago
Michele bachman is trying to pull a Sarah Palin but i dont think she can do it.
Ivan951 8 months ago
Wow, she doesn't even try to hide the fact that she's not going to answer the question. "Well, what's marvelous is that slavery is wrong and no longer exists." OK you disrespectful asshole please shut the hell up.
dmcarefuldriver 8 months ago
While I agree that Bachmann misspoke, I find it ironic and a bit hilarious that the host is lambasting her for this error by making one just as egregious. We didn't *win* independence in 1776. We *declared* independence in 1776. We didn't win until the war ended in 1783. When every word you speak is dissected by millions, it is easy to err.
EllenSmyth 8 months ago
@EllenSmyth Yeah but it's one thing to make an error but its another when you refuse to admit it and still stick by a lie which in this case Bachmann does. This makes her completely ignorant.
trooper40below 8 months ago
I agree, @trooper40below, and it is so frustrating when politicians desperately cling to their falsehoods. Why can't they simply admit when they are wrong? This is painfully obvious with Sarah Palin, but don't all politicians do this? What politicians admit they are wrong, especially on the first go around?
EllenSmyth 8 months ago
Soon there's only 2 class in America (Rich and the Poor) middle classs is all gone, even so called safe job in the public sector is gone too.
0mega101 8 months ago
The problem with the GOP and the Tea party, theforgot how the world know days, U.S. isn't the super power as before, thanks to those politician who gave away donze tax loop holes for company to operate oversea without paying those taxes (GE, Walmart etc..) middle class as we know is all gone.
0mega101 8 months ago
A person who is never wrong has no room for improvement
BlankPicketSign 8 months ago
When anyone in public office describes anything as "a good thing" or "a bad thing" I immediately become worried.
Yet again the teabaggers show their absurd grip on American history. It makes my head spin that I, sitting here in Scotland and never having been to the US, apparently know more about the history of the USA than the teabaggers, or most Repubicans do. Scary.
ThomasTrue 8 months ago
That's typical politicians (not just repubs or teabaggers). They NEVER take a statement back or admit that they're wrong, even when they're so obviously wrong. They always try to juke and jive away from the questions asked of them and even if they're asked a simple yes or no question they STILL try to answer a question that wasn't even asked.
Squiglypig 8 months ago 17
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This is why I feel the last people who should be in Politics are Politicians. ¬_¬
BlankPicketSign 8 months ago
Even though this bitch is obviously full of shit with her statement about the founding fathers, like most christians always are, however she IS right that the U.S is pretty much pissing away its rights. Has been for a while.
Vire70 8 months ago
Thank you Michelle for the revisionist history lesson. Now down to brass tacks, Michelle would replace the Constitution with the Bible. The Bible as the statement of faith and laws of the new US would have homosexuals being "disciplined and stoned," unruly children being stoned at the city limits, people who commit adultery being stoned, rape as a weapon of war, pillaging, wearing of 2 types of cloth would be prohibited, working on the Sabbath would cause the death penalty, and on and on. Really
journeyer58 8 months ago
impressive statement of faith Michelle. Also, slavery would be reinstated as a way of life for those who could not afford to pay their own way. The taking of prisoners, would lead to the enslavement of those captured and slaves bought and sold as property. Is this what you want America? Are we to turn back the hands of time, to the Dark Ages, medical care in the hands of an imperfect and unwieldy god? Are we to believe that this is what the American people want? Are you sure Amerikkka?
journeyer58 8 months ago
@journeyer58 Agreed. The Bible has no place is civilized reality. It never has. It has always been the greatest weapon Our primate brains could come up with.
civwarfan 8 months ago
Bachmann and Palin, are they indeed the MOST obviously uneducated persons to run for the presidency in recent history?
AjunkoMilitak 8 months ago
I'm embarrassed by the republican party ONLY in as much as I care about the reputation of the country as a whole; I cannot feel sorry for them or be embarrassed by them all on their own...they're digging their own graves, not mine, by their chowderheadedness.
BionicDance 8 months ago
@BionicDance Palin and Bachmann continually in news with headlines exposing their intellect damaged the republican party's image. The sad part is they are damaging the image of women too.
77Totems 8 months ago
@77Totems I d'know...in a weird way they're almost affirming. It's like, "Wow...I am SO not like that, and I think the rest of the world knows it. They know these idiots are not representations of women in general, and they serve more as contrast than as examples."
...at least, that's kind of how I feel about it, anyway.
BionicDance 8 months ago
@BionicDance But the people it will influence run on automatic.
77Totems 8 months ago
@77Totems Well, true. But there'z not much we can do about that short of badger 'em with why they're wrong until they get it.
Or hit them with sticks.
Whatever works. ;)
BionicDance 8 months ago
wouldn't he be a founding son?
newdawn23 8 months ago
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"The US was founded by a group of slaveowners who told us all men are created equal..."
George Carlin
eyehategumbo 8 months ago
Hehe... she's not so good at redirecting the conversation to something else =3
OukaKisa 8 months ago
@OukaKisa The incredible thing about this interview is that Stephanopoulos will be cast by the Tea Party as an evil mainstream media reporter that asked poor Michelle a "gotcha" question and picked on her. Reality is not part of the agenda for these people.
foxlake02 8 months ago
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WOW! Its amazing that people representing the Tea Party like Bachmann and Palin, dont know 5th grade American history! And, whats WORSE is that they REFUSE to be corrected when their mistakes are pointed out to them. They are certainly counting on low information voters, aka, FOX viewers, for their support.
thenewmike2012 8 months ago
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thenewmike2012 8 months ago
problem with tea party politician, they make up its own rule and not follow what really happend iin history.
0mega101 8 months ago
Imagine she and Palin team up become our president and vp, our country would definite be fall like babylon quickly.
0mega101 8 months ago
@0mega101 ... big business will just take over the White House and rape American domestic policy, and foreign policy would descend into more wars to shore up the defence industry. But the politicians will get richer for sure.
dcanmore 8 months ago
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Maginomicon 8 months ago
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Okay, yeah, just double-checked. It was 1783.
wikipedia [dot] org/wiki/1783
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Don't get me wrong. Everything else Cenk said was pure gold. It's just a tad ironic when you're bashing someone else for getting their Revolutionary War facts wrong. Bachmann's screwup is WAY worse.
I more posted that as an FYI to everyone ELSE as to what happened in 1776.
Maginomicon 8 months ago
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Maginomicon 8 months ago
1:50 "You know we won our independence in 1776?"
Actually, no. It's a bit ironic but it's a common mistake so no biggie. We didn't quite "win" our independence in 1776, not really.
askdavetaylor [dot] com/what_happened_on_july_4_1776 [dot] html
"It took years before the relationship between England and the new United States of America, all 13 states, became cordial, not tense, years during which other countries like Germany and France played a surprisingly large role."
Maginomicon 8 months ago
Even after being confronted with the erroneous statement, she still didn't blink. Now r us sure u want someone like this for president? I mean she didn't even bother to verify her facts before airing them, and it's not the first time.
vutube379 8 months ago
Bachmann is George W. Bush with a Vagina .....
rocky19421 8 months ago
its almost rude to try and represent american woman with Bachman and Palin I mean the world will think thats what woman are like in the US.
They are nothing more than jiggling bags of botox and hollow statements.
Making statements like this should be equal to a police officers stating false laws, they should know this stuff they are running and are in office this is what they are supposed to learn.
They dont know anything about the country except for what their handlers tells them..useless
geebus80 8 months ago
@geebus80 What grade did you finish in school? Why even bother using punctuation? That is one thing that makes me laugh. I keep seeing newscasts, articles, and comments about how much more educated liberals are? I beg to differ. Just because you have a degree, doesn't mean a thing if you ain't got that swing. Meaning, you have to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. Especially when it comes to the news from liberals. You can tell they use spell check and still get them incorrect.
sfpatriot1 8 months ago
She sounds like she's Canadian
berner 8 months ago