Indoctrination? Wow, some of these people have issues. I don't care for most sports (especially the big three) because I think they're kind of boring, plain and simple. But diffinately not indoctrnation or training for war.
What I dislike about high school sports is that it takes away from the kids who want to do other things. In my high school all the money when to the sports department and not the music&art department. Families that couldn't afford art supplies (and there where a lot of them) couldn't participate in these activities. But there where always balls and uniforms for the sport teams. But kids had to bring their own paper, paint, crayons. My art teacher spent most of her paycheck paying for kids....
@YourFavoriteKilljoy (continued from my last comment) who couldn't afford art supplies. But most art teacher can't do that. They have families and bills. I just happened to be lucky and have an art teacher that gave a damn about her students. She was about the only teacher in my school who did. And we all respected her for it. But we should just have to depend on teachers or parents to buy supplies. For some kids the promise of art club is the only thing that gets them through the day.
I dislike sports. That doesn't mean sports are bad, it just means sports are definitely not my thing. WAY too many people mistake their own dislike of whatever (in this case, sports), for meaning that thing is necessarily bad or wrong.
Sadly, many self-proclaimed "intellectuals" are not self-aware enough to realize this ridiculous bias in themselves.
The problem with competition can arise mostly when it turns from rivalry or a desire to excel into a hatred of those with whom you share a rivalry. I usually perform better on tasks when I'm pitted "against" a colleague in some form of competition because I'm naturally motivated by being the best, but that doesn't mean I dislike anyone who is better or worse than me, nor does it mean I'm a dick about it when I come out ahead. I've heard some facile arguments before, but sports are religion? Wtf?
As Peter Joseph of the Zeitgeist Movement has been pointing out within the Occupy Movement, we are the 100% when it comes to endorsing the system we have. It is extremely unbalanced due to that fact. Nice post. Thanks
Kids getting way much pushed into sports very early.
I personally experienced being forced into sports as a kid, my dads biggest dream was for me to become a football player. His desire was so big, that I can't even watch Super Bowl. The result was that I don't watch football, but got more interested in hockey.
Man. As much as I hate sports... those comments are... a thing. I personally find sports stupid and boring, but that's just me. It's mostly due to getting harassed/bullied a lot by jocks in high school. And I like entertainment that involves creativity, not physical strength. But again. That's just my opinion.
Way back in college, when I was a math major, I wore a Seahawks shirt to school. The people I was studying with went on a 20min tirade about violence and such. I became an engineering major after that :)
Personaly I love to play basket ball and football, what you in the USA call soccer, but I find it dull to watch. I agree with what you said in your video. Thumbs up
The only thing I hate about sports is a the pro level it seems like everyone is cheating and this sets a bad example for kids but the same could be said about politics, religion, or the business world.
Have you ever seen the documentary Bigger Stronger Faster?
It looks at steroid use and probably the first time I've heard anything objective about them.
@MisterKaBar The same reason I feel most drugs should be legal. I don't see the government's right to decide what other people get to put into their own bodies, unless it is infringing on the personal rights/liberties of others.
I thought sports not only built character and a great way to stay in shape while socializing but provides people a reason to party. Whether it's a Harvard/Yale tailgating party or a lower middle class Superbowl backyard barbeque and drinking ceremony sports do provide that much needed pretext.
I never took the cross town rivalry stirred in my high school atheltics seriously. I always saw as a plot device to make the meeting of these two teams more entertaining. The so called rivalry has not prevented me from socializing, befriending, and effeciently working in unison with those same kids from that crosstown school.
My only complaint relates to the college level. More specifically, I feel there is no good reason a sports program should take precedence over education facilities.
While I don't care for sports much personality, but as I see it sports can help teach cooperation as long as the whole competition between groups thing isn't taken anywhere close to a extreme. Plus its exercise for those involved. And as a side note; if there is one constant in this universe I have noticed, which while obvious if you actually look, but is often overlooked is that balance and moderation seem to be the key to everything. Just my observation though.
My objections to sports wasn't really intrinsic to sports per se. When I went to University of Oklahoma, they had just completed a multi-million dollar dorm specially constructed for athletes, while my own dorm did not have functional heat in the winter or doors that worked. Sports sucked so much money away from academics that OU was one English teacher away from losing national accreditation. The school basically had two programs: "Sports" and "Other." THAT is what I hate about it.
To be honest, I actually agreed with the other individual for quite some time. I used to compare religion and sports all the time. It wasn't until recently that I broke that analogy.
Thank you for making this video. It certainly helps me better understand why it was foolish for me to believe such a thing in the first place.
Well, you've seen The Shining right? "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy." Entertainment isn't necessarily a bad thing. Studies have shown that a mind that is entertained is more productive and less stressed out. I hardly see how making yourself stressed out, trashing your health, or ruining your mental stamina is in any way "sticking it to the 1%"
I don't like sports - I hate sports, but nobody's forcing me to participate in them.
I find watching sports is incredibly boring, and I have a very hard time seeing how anyone can care enough to watch every game that "their" team plays. And I find the loyalty people show to a given team, usually simply based on where the fan was born, rather silly.
@gatorboymike I greatly enjoyed seeing my favorite football team destroy Tim Tebow yesterday in his home stadium after he started the game by praying in the end zone.
you would do society an in justice if you do not run for a political office, or position in the decision making process we adhere to, just a thought I had after listening to you again
Ok someone explain to me how sports are like religions. I find no faiths, dogmas, or moral decrees. In fact i think sports is a good way to break free from religion. It provides a social network away from some of the influences of the churches, promotes respect for your opponents, and teaches players that their success is from their hard work and is not given from up upon high (although people constantly than jesus for some stupid reason or another)
@JEL625 I think the argument is it's a form of cultural indoctrination of a presuppose idea that competition is good and healthy. But when you step back and look at it objectively what options can you recall in playing non competitive games. There are studies showing when given an equal chance early in life, almost all girls and most boys prefer cooperative games over competitive ones. So like religion, there is a presupposed idea that is not questioned and excepted as "just the way it is"
@moety2 What non-competitive sports can you name that schools participate in? Most people don't play school sports but rather play games with friends or family. I also see the value in both competitive and non-competitive sports.
But back to topic. I have never heard of sports indoctrination. There are parents who force children into sports but there are also parents who force kids to go to beauty pageants, that's a problem with parents not sports.
@JEL625 Just look at the different sports different societies, cultures in different times had. A recent example, look at how soccer was viewed for a very long time in america. It has been said to be the worlds most popular sport but you wouldn't have known it growing up in america. As for studies, the book No Contest: The Case Against Competition by Alfie Kohn. He arrived at conclusions based on hundreds of studies. I am not an absolutist but that book convinced me.
Personally, I am fine with sport. I enjoy the games. However, I never much understood higher-level sports. It seems that there are quite a lot of people who do nothing but spectate and cheer, who still feel part of the game (and spend money on things like jerseys to show their support). I am not saying its "bad" or "wrong", I simply do not comprehend it. It makes no sense whatsoever to me. Then again, I am down in aus, where sport is a massive part of everyday life
Sports are a form of cultural indoctrination. Not as extreme as religion but looking at sports in different cultures and different times it's not a hard case to prove. From bull fighting to gladiators fighting to the death. Generally people living in those times or cultures find those sports fine and enjoyable while others outside it and not accustomed to it see it as grotesque and barbaric. As for competition, the book No Contest: The Case Against Competition has some compelling evidence
@moety2 It doesn't refute the millions of people, myself included, who enjoy competition as a friendly engagement with other people, who (thanks in large part to playing sports) know that the competition ends with the game/match. The you vs. me is temporary, and done for the fun of everyone, not out of malice. There's a huge difference.
@GrapplingIgnorance It wasn't meant to refute what people enjoy but if your bench mark is based on enjoyment, then you should know that enjoyment is subjective and people can feel enjoyment from some pretty despotic things. Oddly enough your argument is exactly what religious people say about religion. It brings enjoyment to millions. But we atheist consider more then what people feel, we look at the wide range of effects. I would suggest you do the same about competition. Read that book.
@GrapplingIgnorance Well it's intended to be that way, and maybe it is for the players, but that doesn't prevent cities from rioting when their town loses a match. This is not the every day case, but it happens and it is nowhere near as civil as you describe. That is to say, if you account for fans, then the you vs. me does not always end with the game.
@moety2 So because other cultures find it detestable that makes it indoctrination? Many cultures find the diet of others to be detestable (EX: America to china, or vegetarians to omnivores) so is eating indoctrination?
Competition is a good thing. It runs our society. Capitalism is all about competing. I even enter some programing competitions. I can't see any problem with it as long as it isn't taken too far.
@DragonGreenFire Yes, that is exactly indoctrination. It's what's passed down to you by your culture. Some forms are extreme like religion others are mild and excepted because it's seen as cultural normality like the food we eat. You say competition is a good thing, but cooperation has already proven to far more productive in every category. When have you ever heard anybody say I can't see any problem with it as long as it isn't taken too far referring to cooperation? Why settle for less?
@DragonGreenFire indoctrination - "to teach a person or group of people systematically to accept doctrines, esp uncritically. or principle, or ideology, especially one with a specific point of view." We are ALL indoctrinated. Do you think eating cats, dogs or monkey brains is ok? Why do some people in different parts of the world have no problem with that? Because they were raised to accept that as normal without any critical analysis. The word indoctrination is not only for the religious
our 'purpose' in life is self-defined. i would identify my purpose as to enjoy life without hurting others or creating the idea of 'losers'. perhaps america is not my place. i may find greater happiness with a 'tribal' type of group such as may be found in s.america or s.e.asia. where cooperation may be embraced more. i dunno know, i'm just less than comfortable with the idea of being perceived as 'better'.
@hoosiergambler This is one of the silliest things I have ever read. You honestly believe that tribal cultures do not compete with each other? Please tell me the bizarre books you read or the failure school you attended. I want to keep myself and my children far away from your fantasy land.
@ricksterZ "Please tell me the bizarre books you read or the failure school you attended. I want to keep myself and my children far away from your fantasy land."
with all due respect, you appear to be living the fantasy that does not take into account the reality of our world. go to school and take some anthropology and you will learn that there are, indeed, isolated tribal cultures that do not compete with other tribes and actually do practice egalitarianism within their culture.
@hoosiergambler Look, you blew your response out of the water. Obviously, an isolated tribal culture will not compete, because, well, they are isolated. Egalitarianism is a fantasy. In isolated cultures, infanticide, matricide, shit like that are normal. You need to take some anthropology like I have.
@hoosiergambler Sorry, but people didn't invent the concept of loss. Life did it. Not everything in life is about winning or losing- but some things about it are. And it can be fun to work hard and compete against each other just for the individual satisfaction of becoming the winner, or to learn the lesson that "loss" just means you ran into someone better, and it's not the end of the world. Failure is part of improvement and learning in general,
@hoosiergambler I hate to tell you, but you are romanticizing the "tribal group" model of social order. Yes small tribes of indigenous peoples in remote locations cooperate in order to survive. To elevate and equate this cooperation to a utopian society is foolhardy at best, if not entirely dishonest. Tribal members do compete, dominate and submit to the power of others. We see tribalism in modern society as well, but it is generally reviled. It is most notably evident in nepotistic groups.
and, no, when i was engaged in sports (little league) i was one of the few who excelled; i refused to take the role that the head coach was strongly encouraging me to take because of this, i.e. team leader. i was engaged for my own selfish pursuit of pleasure. i never respected the hierarchy and ultimately applied my hedonism to skateboarding where my friends and i cooperated and inspired each other to perform at a comparable level without much progression but great application of having fun.
"... yes- co-operation can result in everyone losing if the group fails to accomplish its goal."
less than correct. if the group fails to accomplish its goal then the group is not finished and it continues until it reaches its goal(s). how can we have egalitarianism if we are identifying winners and losers?
you can only understand these ideas at the most shallow level!?!
how do expect to reasonably argue with opposition if you are inclined to insult their ideas, especially at the forefront!?!
@hoosiergambler If the forefront of their ideas is flawed, I'm going to reject them on that flawed premise. As for goals- it is certainly possible for a group to fail a goal. Just because they're working together at something doesn't mean the goal is impossible to be unmet. It's no different than an individual goal. I could just as easily say that If I fail to accomplish a goal than i am not finish and continue until I reach it. I still have failed it until it's actually been accomplished.
@GrapplingIgnorance acceptance or rejection is perfectly fine, but where i take issue is your reference to an opposing view only being able to be understood on a 'shallow' level and your reference of 'so-called' intellectuals. people are much more likely to 'put their ear plugs in' and become defensive when you insult their ideas before you even deliver a rebuttal resulting in your effective waste of breath even if your point is valid. you have only failed if you quit before the goal is achievd
@GrapplingIgnorance you attempt to figuratively redefine arrogance. to be an 'intellectual' is a self-defined concept; who are you to say that you are an intellectual and someone else is not? o.k., we'll exclude the apparent such as 'thugs and gangbangers' or even yt commentators that aim to insult or demean, but i am confident that you understand some of the people that i am referencing, e.g. myself. your failure to understand their ideas does not equate an intellectual fail on their part.
@hoosiergambler Disagreeing with someone is not failure to understand. It's arrogance to think that someone who disagrees with you does not understand your idea. God damn slick, you are trying to sound arrogant. When you use "e.g." in anyway shape or form, you should be sent to hell. Fuck, I bet you get laid every night.
@sillygames No, sports are events taking place in the state. A lot of people would rather read sports news than news about a cop shooting someone in the face. The newspaper has the means to run both stories too. You're placing blame on the sport for the actions of a news agency.
@GrapplingIgnorance Then those people are SUCKERS. Gullible. Naive. Placated. Apathetic. Yeah, I said it.
Are you going to tell me that the Roman games were just "events taking place in the states?" Big sports were INVENTED by the state because of their tendency to glass over the eyes of able-bodied males who would otherwise grow bored of being peasants very quickly.
Much respect, dude, but big sports are part of the reason we still have Republicans.
@sillygames And regardless of whether a bunch of rednecks would "rather" read the sports page, AP is a reputable news source with a RESPONSIBILITY to report on serious news around the world. By neglecting OWS for days during VERY PIVOTAL EVENTS (THAT YOU MUST CURRENTLY BE OBLIVIOUS OF THANKS TO THE SPORTS PAGE), while repeatedly posting sports drivel (an effing MUSTACHE CONTEST for example), AP has completely de-legitimized itself.
@sillygames Sports are play. We can't work all the time, we need recreation. If we aren't actively doing recreation, we're watching recreation. It's great you can work every waking hour without fail but for the rest of us mortals, we need play time from work. What next, Sony and Microsoft are conspiring together to release blockbuster games during the republican primary season? Chill out, breathe, go for a jog. We as humans are wired for competition and sports feeds off of that.
@Jahaison I fight for fun. I'm not criticizing the doing of the sport. I'm talking about the spectacle. We've replaced the slave gladiators and wild animals of ancient Rome with pampered millionaires, and now the state doesn't even have to foot the bill.
Look, you'll never convince me that AP is justified in being completely silent about the most important thing happening in the entire solar system, while peppering their channel with completely UNIMPORTANT stories such as PITCHER'S MUSTACHES.
I think that it's ignorant to say that sports in general are bad when there's such a large variety of sports and we have such a large problem with obesity in this country. Sports don't have to be overly competetive. The karate class I was in didn't compete at all, and we didn't even count points when we spared in class. All kids need to be involved with some sort of physical activity, parents just need to find an activity their kid likes instead of forcing a specific sport on their kid.
The main martial art I trained in was shotokan karate and I think it was more Japanese culture than religion. Mostly we were just taught to be polite and respectful. I stayed in that class for 7 years, but eventually our instructor moved and the college stopped requiring a PE credit so we couldn't get enough ppl to keep the class going. It was only when I tried kungfu with that acupuncturist that I ran into a bunch of the woo woo stuff.
i normly almost always agree with every thing you say gi but i hate sports the sports culture suppress-is intelligence in school if i kid shows iny sine of intelligence they are disowned. not only that but we care to much about sports my school spent half a million on a new field but cut teachers. most boys in my school think they are going to get a job as a sports man so they throw away everything else and will most likely work menial wages for the rest of there life
@dracolobo666 That's not a "sports culture" you're complaining about. Your school prioritized that athletic investment because it's one of the only things that actually produced revenue for your school. Those teachers who got cut were likely going to be cut anyway, because if the school didn't absolutely need them they were an unjustified cost. The majority of people aren't smart, and the majority of those not-smart young people ostracize their intelligent peers. That's not sports' fault.
I used to feel that sports were a waste of time and intelligent people wouldn't get involved. I later changed my mind when I learned that the only reason why I didn't like sports was because I didn't understand them and couldn't participate in them. Competition can be highly motivating, enriching, and fun! And there's no reason to assume that sports fans are not intelligent. Your last video only served to deepen my appreciation for the aesthetic qualities that sports can possess.
@GrapplingIgnorance I'm one of those in the sport-hating camp -- athough this is probably due to it being forced on me (like you said earlier) and not ever being good at them anyway. However, I enjoyed the basketball vid and I thought it was an interesting perspective and made the point clearer than other similar points.
It's taken me years to understand why people appreciate sports (and even now, I still don't fully undertstand it). I also don't act like a douche towards those who enjoy it.
"Soccer is the balance between creativity and and discipline". (he said this in a video posted in summer '10)
I think this applies to all sports. Lets take my favourite sport, MMA. If you are too aggressive, you leave yourself open; if you aren't aggressive enough, you become too predictable and can be methodically picked-apart by your opponent.
Perhaps anyone bitter about sports just needs to try joining a local league and see how fun it is to participate? Eh. To each their own but you can't ignore how good it makes you feel to compete in any sport that allows you to interact with others and achieve cooperative victory. What a rush! I hear frisbee golf is hella fun!
That's a good question... maybe 'flushing the baby out with the toilet water'? No... that implies someone is intentionally putting babies in toilets. Hrm. *ponders...*
Sorry but seeing as you admit that humans are generally whimsical in decision making having a system that counters the negative effects of that "nature" would seem to be a better way to go then the current system which exploits those failings of human behavior to perpetuate itself. We can do much better.
I'm not that big a fan of sports, but these guys are either masterful trolls/satirists or they're just that stupid. Very sloppy equivocation either way.
Some people I work with are insane about sports. The tvs in the break room are litterally ALWAYS on sports. China could invade and these people would never know it.
I'm not really a sports fan, but I've never been the type beat down on it. It's just something done for the love of it, whether to play or watch. Sure, some people can be cunts about it, but that's their problem and not due to sport.
one time I watched a sports game and it was awesome. they all ran around doing stuff and I said GO GO GO! then the other guy stopped the other guy from doing something,. then it was over. then the crowd started burning cars and buildings. sports are awesome.
@ForYeensSake Because, as I said, these comments are just a couple of examples. I hear this sort of thing far more often than I should, and therefore I call it out.
If you fatten sports and religion with grotesque amounts of money the that is their right the only things I ask is A: pay the taxes you should be paying, and B: For the NCAA, pay the athletes who actually draw the fucking crowds!
@GrapplingIgnorance Yes, but that's sort of a non-liquid-benefit, like health insurance. But after covering tuition, books, parking, housing, etc. some athletes are still worth more through supply and demand, and should get the 6 - 8 figure cut that they earned.
Sports also gives a community within a team. The idea that we stick together through loses and all emerge victorious together reguardless of skill or the size of their part in the team. That is why I play Rugby (look it up if you don't know what i'm talking about) and that is why my dad has played Rugby for upwards of 30 years.
@MaggotKing9 The only problem with that is that you can create massive hatred toward other teams. I live in Salt Lake City, I don't like football, but I am well aware of the University of Utah - Brigham Young University rivalry that exists here. And people hate each other because of their support for the other team, and why? The only profits go to people with stock in the university, the victory of The UofU isn't going to improve the lives of anyone in Salt Lake City
@SinnFein4ever I find your analysis of the sport to be hyper simplistic, but if you don't appreciate the things about it that other people enjoy there's nothing wrong with that. I feel the same way about hockey, mostly because I've never played it and I don't have the same intimate appreciations for its intricacies as I do with a sport like basketball.
I don't care one way or the other, whether other people like to watch sports.
Everybody's entitled to have different opinions.
It's game-day traffic that I hate.
Fans who are going to a game, should either carpool, take public transportation, arrive there the night before and have a tail-gating camp-out, or ride a motercycle.
@SinnFein4ever What I like is when they interview the players or coaches, especially the coaches, pre-game. What the hell are they going to say? They can't say anything meaningful about their strategy without the other team hearing about it, so it's always "Well, we're going to try to win". No SHIT? Really? You're not just blowing off this game, eh, Coach?
@SinnFein4ever If I was a sportscaster, I'd just cue up file footage of some black and white interview from the 60s and show that for everybody, just changing the name in a caption. (I'm all excited for Halloween-- Hope you're doing good!)
The problem with competition, is there's only one winner and a great many losers. That is why I much prefer co-operation. With co-operation, everyone wins and no one loses!
@MisterEvil1 People co-operate in sports, and the point is to understand that winning and losing are not the end of the world. Also, yes- co-operation can result in everyone losing if the group fails to accomplish its goal.
@MisterEvil1 Part of sport is learning from mistakes and enjoying victory. If you hate losing than maybe you shouldn't be a sportsman. My team lost most of our games last season (rugby but that is irrelevant) but this season we have won all but one of our games. Only through hard work and training did we accomplish this and we came on top. Our team wins because we co-operate, their teams don't because they have a smaller collective skill level. Simple
@MisterEvil1: "With co-operation, everyone wins and no one loses!" This is a very non-productive reality. Three companies offer the exact same product, they cooperate and set their prices so that each makes the maximum profit. The problem is there is zero motivation to improve the product, hence, stagnation of progress. If everyone wins all of the time, there is no need to improve, or try harder/smarter. "Everyone Wins" breeds apathy.
@MisterEvil1 There are bad ways to win and good ways to lose, it's best if it's done like this because it teaches people the value of a victory and a defeat. Our failures teach us far more than our successes, which is why I always enjoy the possibility of failure in almost every senario. It's what makes the sport a competition.
Great points made well. The arguments addressed in the video are spurious, and similarly spurious arguments could be made about almost any form of entertainment.
TV/films/fiction books/music is just a form of escapism distracting us from real life,making profit for the companies!
Video games/non-fiction books/news/radio/internet is just indoctrination, escapism distracting us from real life e.t.c.
Also, ultrademigod makes a great point about how sports have helped combat racism here in the UK.
These comments were really stupid. There is nothing wrong with competition in limited, codified bounds for a purpose -
a market economy (to allocate resources efficiently), sport (to encourage fitness and at higher levels provide entertainment), school and other meritocracies (to encourage higher standards) etc
I here a lot people knocking sport on nationalist grounds, and while that can be true I think sport has had a positive role to play here in the UK, in regards to race relations.
Afro-Caribbean sportsman have helped promote a positive image of black people in Britain today.
@GrapplingIgnorance : I just though you may like that, I love that routine. As you said there is nothing wrong with good healthy competition, but this world is completely obsessed with sports. So much so that riots break out people get injured sometimes even killed, it is a kind of sickness that can always be traced back to the idiotic nature of humans.
@GrapplingIgnorance Not where I am. On my computer it says : "6 days ago" for the last one. Where I am 7 days haven't passed, what with time difference. A few hours and it'll be 7 days but not yet. Sorry for the confusion. And great vid by the way.
Yes, I am the kid that his father beat the shit out of because I struck out, It never ends I have been avoiding sports for 50 years now. Boorish,
seasidericky 2 weeks ago
fight the power man.
I'm thinking about doing something similar to this were I can speak my mind.
I think its the best way to get the message to the most amount of people.
TheCartographer89 2 months ago
Indoctrination? Wow, some of these people have issues. I don't care for most sports (especially the big three) because I think they're kind of boring, plain and simple. But diffinately not indoctrnation or training for war.
TheSensibleSimian 3 months ago
What I dislike about high school sports is that it takes away from the kids who want to do other things. In my high school all the money when to the sports department and not the music&art department. Families that couldn't afford art supplies (and there where a lot of them) couldn't participate in these activities. But there where always balls and uniforms for the sport teams. But kids had to bring their own paper, paint, crayons. My art teacher spent most of her paycheck paying for kids....
YourFavoriteKilljoy 3 months ago
@YourFavoriteKilljoy (continued from my last comment) who couldn't afford art supplies. But most art teacher can't do that. They have families and bills. I just happened to be lucky and have an art teacher that gave a damn about her students. She was about the only teacher in my school who did. And we all respected her for it. But we should just have to depend on teachers or parents to buy supplies. For some kids the promise of art club is the only thing that gets them through the day.
YourFavoriteKilljoy 3 months ago
Sports are okay as long as the money doesn't become the focus.
slicingwater 3 months ago
I dislike sports. That doesn't mean sports are bad, it just means sports are definitely not my thing. WAY too many people mistake their own dislike of whatever (in this case, sports), for meaning that thing is necessarily bad or wrong.
Sadly, many self-proclaimed "intellectuals" are not self-aware enough to realize this ridiculous bias in themselves.
Bobbiethejean 3 months ago
The problem with competition can arise mostly when it turns from rivalry or a desire to excel into a hatred of those with whom you share a rivalry. I usually perform better on tasks when I'm pitted "against" a colleague in some form of competition because I'm naturally motivated by being the best, but that doesn't mean I dislike anyone who is better or worse than me, nor does it mean I'm a dick about it when I come out ahead. I've heard some facile arguments before, but sports are religion? Wtf?
ChocoboKillerKanyo 3 months ago
As Peter Joseph of the Zeitgeist Movement has been pointing out within the Occupy Movement, we are the 100% when it comes to endorsing the system we have. It is extremely unbalanced due to that fact. Nice post. Thanks
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Kids getting way much pushed into sports very early.
I personally experienced being forced into sports as a kid, my dads biggest dream was for me to become a football player. His desire was so big, that I can't even watch Super Bowl. The result was that I don't watch football, but got more interested in hockey.
willda78 3 months ago
Personally I just don't care for sports. Then hold no interest to me.
Nagneto 3 months ago 2
Lacrosse was a substitute for war. The Mohawks/Iroquois invented it as a more peaceful way to settle differences.
laxpaint 3 months ago 2
@laxpaint Sounds great to me.
GrapplingIgnorance 3 months ago 2
Man. As much as I hate sports... those comments are... a thing. I personally find sports stupid and boring, but that's just me. It's mostly due to getting harassed/bullied a lot by jocks in high school. And I like entertainment that involves creativity, not physical strength. But again. That's just my opinion.
LoranCehack 3 months ago
Way back in college, when I was a math major, I wore a Seahawks shirt to school. The people I was studying with went on a 20min tirade about violence and such. I became an engineering major after that :)
sorienor 3 months ago
Have you seen the DS9 where Sisko tries to explain baseball to the Prophets?
sorienor 3 months ago
@sorienor I like the one where they play baseball against the Vulcans... though I'm the only one that does. D:
LoranCehack 3 months ago
4:05 that sentence was amazing ^_^
NihilistMonk 3 months ago
Personaly I love to play basket ball and football, what you in the USA call soccer, but I find it dull to watch. I agree with what you said in your video. Thumbs up
TheRenekruse 3 months ago
Personally I don't like sports, but I really don't care if other people enjoy it or not. What I don't like is how seriously people take it.
DeathnoteBB 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance Do you think that solders in the field should be allowed to take steroids to give them an advantage on there enemy's?
MisterKaBar 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance
The only thing I hate about sports is a the pro level it seems like everyone is cheating and this sets a bad example for kids but the same could be said about politics, religion, or the business world.
Have you ever seen the documentary Bigger Stronger Faster?
It looks at steroid use and probably the first time I've heard anything objective about them.
Tyjohnable 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance Could you give an explication on why you feel this way?
MisterKaBar 4 months ago
@MisterKaBar The same reason I feel most drugs should be legal. I don't see the government's right to decide what other people get to put into their own bodies, unless it is infringing on the personal rights/liberties of others.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
WTF? why are people hating on games and sports? That is stupid.
zellfalcon31 4 months ago
I thought sports not only built character and a great way to stay in shape while socializing but provides people a reason to party. Whether it's a Harvard/Yale tailgating party or a lower middle class Superbowl backyard barbeque and drinking ceremony sports do provide that much needed pretext.
jaymthegenius 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance I didn't mean steroids in sports i just said steroids.
MisterKaBar 4 months ago
@MisterKaBar I think if people chose to use them outside of sports they should be allowed to.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
I never took the cross town rivalry stirred in my high school atheltics seriously. I always saw as a plot device to make the meeting of these two teams more entertaining. The so called rivalry has not prevented me from socializing, befriending, and effeciently working in unison with those same kids from that crosstown school.
My only complaint relates to the college level. More specifically, I feel there is no good reason a sports program should take precedence over education facilities.
SchizophrenicDelight 4 months ago
Oh and physical sports can be fun and its good exercise, a healthy body supports a healthy mind.
NetraAmorosi 4 months ago
While I don't care for sports much personality, but as I see it sports can help teach cooperation as long as the whole competition between groups thing isn't taken anywhere close to a extreme. Plus its exercise for those involved. And as a side note; if there is one constant in this universe I have noticed, which while obvious if you actually look, but is often overlooked is that balance and moderation seem to be the key to everything. Just my observation though.
NetraAmorosi 4 months ago
My objections to sports wasn't really intrinsic to sports per se. When I went to University of Oklahoma, they had just completed a multi-million dollar dorm specially constructed for athletes, while my own dorm did not have functional heat in the winter or doors that worked. Sports sucked so much money away from academics that OU was one English teacher away from losing national accreditation. The school basically had two programs: "Sports" and "Other." THAT is what I hate about it.
artgoat 4 months ago
To be honest, I actually agreed with the other individual for quite some time. I used to compare religion and sports all the time. It wasn't until recently that I broke that analogy.
Thank you for making this video. It certainly helps me better understand why it was foolish for me to believe such a thing in the first place.
JTrizzleFizzle 4 months ago
Nothing but a bunch of unsupported assertions from you in this one. Fortunately, this is JUST your (highly biased) opinion.
destronia123 4 months ago
@destronia123 Kindly explain how/why I'm wrong then. Simply saying someone is wrong and bias isn't isn't going to take the conversation anywhere.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
Competition is good, physical fitness is good, being entertained is good, pushing yourself is good. It is NOT even close to indoctrination.
ProportionalResponse 4 months ago
Well, you've seen The Shining right? "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy." Entertainment isn't necessarily a bad thing. Studies have shown that a mind that is entertained is more productive and less stressed out. I hardly see how making yourself stressed out, trashing your health, or ruining your mental stamina is in any way "sticking it to the 1%"
I don't like sports - I hate sports, but nobody's forcing me to participate in them.
luccaskunk 4 months ago
I'm pretty sure that video games are also a comparable example, as are any form of entertainment. Hmmmm... makes you think.
doboromon1 4 months ago
I find watching sports is incredibly boring, and I have a very hard time seeing how anyone can care enough to watch every game that "their" team plays. And I find the loyalty people show to a given team, usually simply based on where the fan was born, rather silly.
I do enjoy playing sports however.
MasauFuku 4 months ago
@MasauFuku Me too, though hardly anyone cares about the sports themselves but rather the alcohol and snacks.
jaymthegenius 4 months ago
GI, I mostly agree, but I'd still just like to say fuck Tim Tebow.
gatorboymike 4 months ago
@gatorboymike I greatly enjoyed seeing my favorite football team destroy Tim Tebow yesterday in his home stadium after he started the game by praying in the end zone.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance "God" must have let the Broncos lose as punishment for Tebow's violating Matthew 6:6.
gatorboymike 4 months ago
you would do society an in justice if you do not run for a political office, or position in the decision making process we adhere to, just a thought I had after listening to you again
AngstromJohnny 4 months ago
I only have one comment to make about the false dichotomy of "sports or real life"... Keith Olbermann
renegade4dio 4 months ago
Sport is fun. Get over it geeks.
ricksterZ 4 months ago
Ok someone explain to me how sports are like religions. I find no faiths, dogmas, or moral decrees. In fact i think sports is a good way to break free from religion. It provides a social network away from some of the influences of the churches, promotes respect for your opponents, and teaches players that their success is from their hard work and is not given from up upon high (although people constantly than jesus for some stupid reason or another)
JEL625 4 months ago
@JEL625 This.
AvatarZ 4 months ago
@AvatarZ huh? I don't follow you
JEL625 4 months ago
@JEL625 That means I like your comment! :-)
AvatarZ 4 months ago
@JEL625 I think the argument is it's a form of cultural indoctrination of a presuppose idea that competition is good and healthy. But when you step back and look at it objectively what options can you recall in playing non competitive games. There are studies showing when given an equal chance early in life, almost all girls and most boys prefer cooperative games over competitive ones. So like religion, there is a presupposed idea that is not questioned and excepted as "just the way it is"
moety2 4 months ago
@moety2 What non-competitive sports can you name that schools participate in? Most people don't play school sports but rather play games with friends or family. I also see the value in both competitive and non-competitive sports.
But back to topic. I have never heard of sports indoctrination. There are parents who force children into sports but there are also parents who force kids to go to beauty pageants, that's a problem with parents not sports.
ps can you link me a study, im curious
JEL625 4 months ago
@JEL625 Just look at the different sports different societies, cultures in different times had. A recent example, look at how soccer was viewed for a very long time in america. It has been said to be the worlds most popular sport but you wouldn't have known it growing up in america. As for studies, the book No Contest: The Case Against Competition by Alfie Kohn. He arrived at conclusions based on hundreds of studies. I am not an absolutist but that book convinced me.
moety2 4 months ago
Personally, I am fine with sport. I enjoy the games. However, I never much understood higher-level sports. It seems that there are quite a lot of people who do nothing but spectate and cheer, who still feel part of the game (and spend money on things like jerseys to show their support). I am not saying its "bad" or "wrong", I simply do not comprehend it. It makes no sense whatsoever to me. Then again, I am down in aus, where sport is a massive part of everyday life
Plausiblesarge 4 months ago
What When Sport becomes a Ritual?
A repetitive echo of a past glory.
Re enactments.
A cliché sport that you have to eat the ritual food and say the same phrases of audience response.
Unchanging
Formulaic.
The compulsory Saturday afternoon spent in sermon at the stadium
Singing the same Sports psalms with 3 generations.
Game without end Amen
The only reward is knowing which team god favours this week.
dubldeka 4 months ago
@dubldeka I don't think I'm alone in asking what the fuck you're talking about. Is English your second language?
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance The comment was My impressions of your topic in prose form.
It brought to mind the English football matches i had to endure in the 1950s.
It was a traditional unchanging format that occupied your Saturday afternoon.
Like church takes up a Sunday.
Young men that would rather be out exploring in motor cars would have to go with their father and all other males, to the Match.
It led to a lot of anger and violence
Sport should be played not watched.
dubldeka 4 months ago
Sports are a form of cultural indoctrination. Not as extreme as religion but looking at sports in different cultures and different times it's not a hard case to prove. From bull fighting to gladiators fighting to the death. Generally people living in those times or cultures find those sports fine and enjoyable while others outside it and not accustomed to it see it as grotesque and barbaric. As for competition, the book No Contest: The Case Against Competition has some compelling evidence
moety2 4 months ago
@moety2 It doesn't refute the millions of people, myself included, who enjoy competition as a friendly engagement with other people, who (thanks in large part to playing sports) know that the competition ends with the game/match. The you vs. me is temporary, and done for the fun of everyone, not out of malice. There's a huge difference.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago 5
@GrapplingIgnorance It wasn't meant to refute what people enjoy but if your bench mark is based on enjoyment, then you should know that enjoyment is subjective and people can feel enjoyment from some pretty despotic things. Oddly enough your argument is exactly what religious people say about religion. It brings enjoyment to millions. But we atheist consider more then what people feel, we look at the wide range of effects. I would suggest you do the same about competition. Read that book.
moety2 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance Well it's intended to be that way, and maybe it is for the players, but that doesn't prevent cities from rioting when their town loses a match. This is not the every day case, but it happens and it is nowhere near as civil as you describe. That is to say, if you account for fans, then the you vs. me does not always end with the game.
Bazement258Studios 4 months ago
@moety2 So because other cultures find it detestable that makes it indoctrination? Many cultures find the diet of others to be detestable (EX: America to china, or vegetarians to omnivores) so is eating indoctrination?
Competition is a good thing. It runs our society. Capitalism is all about competing. I even enter some programing competitions. I can't see any problem with it as long as it isn't taken too far.
DragonGreenFire 3 months ago
@DragonGreenFire Yes, that is exactly indoctrination. It's what's passed down to you by your culture. Some forms are extreme like religion others are mild and excepted because it's seen as cultural normality like the food we eat. You say competition is a good thing, but cooperation has already proven to far more productive in every category. When have you ever heard anybody say I can't see any problem with it as long as it isn't taken too far referring to cooperation? Why settle for less?
moety2 3 months ago
@moety2 Okay, you're writing eating as indoctrination so I'm done here.
DragonGreenFire 3 months ago
@DragonGreenFire indoctrination - "to teach a person or group of people systematically to accept doctrines, esp uncritically. or principle, or ideology, especially one with a specific point of view." We are ALL indoctrinated. Do you think eating cats, dogs or monkey brains is ok? Why do some people in different parts of the world have no problem with that? Because they were raised to accept that as normal without any critical analysis. The word indoctrination is not only for the religious
moety2 3 months ago
our 'purpose' in life is self-defined. i would identify my purpose as to enjoy life without hurting others or creating the idea of 'losers'. perhaps america is not my place. i may find greater happiness with a 'tribal' type of group such as may be found in s.america or s.e.asia. where cooperation may be embraced more. i dunno know, i'm just less than comfortable with the idea of being perceived as 'better'.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler This is one of the silliest things I have ever read. You honestly believe that tribal cultures do not compete with each other? Please tell me the bizarre books you read or the failure school you attended. I want to keep myself and my children far away from your fantasy land.
ricksterZ 4 months ago
@ricksterZ "Please tell me the bizarre books you read or the failure school you attended. I want to keep myself and my children far away from your fantasy land."
with all due respect, you appear to be living the fantasy that does not take into account the reality of our world. go to school and take some anthropology and you will learn that there are, indeed, isolated tribal cultures that do not compete with other tribes and actually do practice egalitarianism within their culture.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler Look, you blew your response out of the water. Obviously, an isolated tribal culture will not compete, because, well, they are isolated. Egalitarianism is a fantasy. In isolated cultures, infanticide, matricide, shit like that are normal. You need to take some anthropology like I have.
ricksterZ 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler Sorry, but people didn't invent the concept of loss. Life did it. Not everything in life is about winning or losing- but some things about it are. And it can be fun to work hard and compete against each other just for the individual satisfaction of becoming the winner, or to learn the lesson that "loss" just means you ran into someone better, and it's not the end of the world. Failure is part of improvement and learning in general,
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago 11
@hoosiergambler I hate to tell you, but you are romanticizing the "tribal group" model of social order. Yes small tribes of indigenous peoples in remote locations cooperate in order to survive. To elevate and equate this cooperation to a utopian society is foolhardy at best, if not entirely dishonest. Tribal members do compete, dominate and submit to the power of others. We see tribalism in modern society as well, but it is generally reviled. It is most notably evident in nepotistic groups.
ravindurkson 4 months ago
and, no, when i was engaged in sports (little league) i was one of the few who excelled; i refused to take the role that the head coach was strongly encouraging me to take because of this, i.e. team leader. i was engaged for my own selfish pursuit of pleasure. i never respected the hierarchy and ultimately applied my hedonism to skateboarding where my friends and i cooperated and inspired each other to perform at a comparable level without much progression but great application of having fun.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
I love youtube debates xDD
fermerwuvu 4 months ago 2
"... yes- co-operation can result in everyone losing if the group fails to accomplish its goal."
less than correct. if the group fails to accomplish its goal then the group is not finished and it continues until it reaches its goal(s). how can we have egalitarianism if we are identifying winners and losers?
you can only understand these ideas at the most shallow level!?!
how do expect to reasonably argue with opposition if you are inclined to insult their ideas, especially at the forefront!?!
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler If the forefront of their ideas is flawed, I'm going to reject them on that flawed premise. As for goals- it is certainly possible for a group to fail a goal. Just because they're working together at something doesn't mean the goal is impossible to be unmet. It's no different than an individual goal. I could just as easily say that If I fail to accomplish a goal than i am not finish and continue until I reach it. I still have failed it until it's actually been accomplished.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance acceptance or rejection is perfectly fine, but where i take issue is your reference to an opposing view only being able to be understood on a 'shallow' level and your reference of 'so-called' intellectuals. people are much more likely to 'put their ear plugs in' and become defensive when you insult their ideas before you even deliver a rebuttal resulting in your effective waste of breath even if your point is valid. you have only failed if you quit before the goal is achievd
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance you attempt to figuratively redefine arrogance. to be an 'intellectual' is a self-defined concept; who are you to say that you are an intellectual and someone else is not? o.k., we'll exclude the apparent such as 'thugs and gangbangers' or even yt commentators that aim to insult or demean, but i am confident that you understand some of the people that i am referencing, e.g. myself. your failure to understand their ideas does not equate an intellectual fail on their part.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler Disagreeing with someone is not failure to understand. It's arrogance to think that someone who disagrees with you does not understand your idea. God damn slick, you are trying to sound arrogant. When you use "e.g." in anyway shape or form, you should be sent to hell. Fuck, I bet you get laid every night.
ricksterZ 4 months ago
Sport does suck though... or maybe I suck at it... or both.
oliethefolie 4 months ago
AP has been posting sports-related non-news instead of OWS news.
Consider this the next time you see a cop shooting someone in the face.
Sports are state tools.
sillygames 4 months ago
@sillygames No, sports are events taking place in the state. A lot of people would rather read sports news than news about a cop shooting someone in the face. The newspaper has the means to run both stories too. You're placing blame on the sport for the actions of a news agency.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance Then those people are SUCKERS. Gullible. Naive. Placated. Apathetic. Yeah, I said it.
Are you going to tell me that the Roman games were just "events taking place in the states?" Big sports were INVENTED by the state because of their tendency to glass over the eyes of able-bodied males who would otherwise grow bored of being peasants very quickly.
Much respect, dude, but big sports are part of the reason we still have Republicans.
They waste. Our. Precious. Time.
sillygames 4 months ago
@sillygames And regardless of whether a bunch of rednecks would "rather" read the sports page, AP is a reputable news source with a RESPONSIBILITY to report on serious news around the world. By neglecting OWS for days during VERY PIVOTAL EVENTS (THAT YOU MUST CURRENTLY BE OBLIVIOUS OF THANKS TO THE SPORTS PAGE), while repeatedly posting sports drivel (an effing MUSTACHE CONTEST for example), AP has completely de-legitimized itself.
sillygames 4 months ago
@sillygames Sports are play. We can't work all the time, we need recreation. If we aren't actively doing recreation, we're watching recreation. It's great you can work every waking hour without fail but for the rest of us mortals, we need play time from work. What next, Sony and Microsoft are conspiring together to release blockbuster games during the republican primary season? Chill out, breathe, go for a jog. We as humans are wired for competition and sports feeds off of that.
Jahaison 4 months ago
@Jahaison I fight for fun. I'm not criticizing the doing of the sport. I'm talking about the spectacle. We've replaced the slave gladiators and wild animals of ancient Rome with pampered millionaires, and now the state doesn't even have to foot the bill.
Look, you'll never convince me that AP is justified in being completely silent about the most important thing happening in the entire solar system, while peppering their channel with completely UNIMPORTANT stories such as PITCHER'S MUSTACHES.
sillygames 4 months ago
Doesn't debate have competition?
Impmon51 4 months ago
I think that it's ignorant to say that sports in general are bad when there's such a large variety of sports and we have such a large problem with obesity in this country. Sports don't have to be overly competetive. The karate class I was in didn't compete at all, and we didn't even count points when we spared in class. All kids need to be involved with some sort of physical activity, parents just need to find an activity their kid likes instead of forcing a specific sport on their kid.
Primalxbeast 4 months ago
Great video. I find it funny that people were that hard on sports in the first place.
I have never been super athletic, but I love the adrenaline rush and natural high you get from sports.
I am also a physics major, and a pot smoker, and gamer.
I also find it funny that some of those groups have to be exlusive of the others. Why can't somone explore all methods of having fun in life?
Silentsam7532 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance
The main martial art I trained in was shotokan karate and I think it was more Japanese culture than religion. Mostly we were just taught to be polite and respectful. I stayed in that class for 7 years, but eventually our instructor moved and the college stopped requiring a PE credit so we couldn't get enough ppl to keep the class going. It was only when I tried kungfu with that acupuncturist that I ran into a bunch of the woo woo stuff.
Primalxbeast 4 months ago
i normly almost always agree with every thing you say gi but i hate sports the sports culture suppress-is intelligence in school if i kid shows iny sine of intelligence they are disowned. not only that but we care to much about sports my school spent half a million on a new field but cut teachers. most boys in my school think they are going to get a job as a sports man so they throw away everything else and will most likely work menial wages for the rest of there life
dracolobo666 4 months ago
@dracolobo666 Your English teacher isn't doing very well with you.
ricksterZ 4 months ago
@dracolobo666 You disagree with sport on the premise that it suppresses your intelligence. What's your excuse?
ricksterZ 4 months ago
@dracolobo666 That's not a "sports culture" you're complaining about. Your school prioritized that athletic investment because it's one of the only things that actually produced revenue for your school. Those teachers who got cut were likely going to be cut anyway, because if the school didn't absolutely need them they were an unjustified cost. The majority of people aren't smart, and the majority of those not-smart young people ostracize their intelligent peers. That's not sports' fault.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance thanks that helps me see things in a new light. i just have alot of hate for sports cuss of all the Jocks that cussed me hell.
dracolobo666 4 months ago
I used to feel that sports were a waste of time and intelligent people wouldn't get involved. I later changed my mind when I learned that the only reason why I didn't like sports was because I didn't understand them and couldn't participate in them. Competition can be highly motivating, enriching, and fun! And there's no reason to assume that sports fans are not intelligent. Your last video only served to deepen my appreciation for the aesthetic qualities that sports can possess.
Caeruleus000 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance I'm one of those in the sport-hating camp -- athough this is probably due to it being forced on me (like you said earlier) and not ever being good at them anyway. However, I enjoyed the basketball vid and I thought it was an interesting perspective and made the point clearer than other similar points.
It's taken me years to understand why people appreciate sports (and even now, I still don't fully undertstand it). I also don't act like a douche towards those who enjoy it.
Satanos777 4 months ago
@Satanos777 Sounds like you're alright in my book.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
people who don't like sports are twats, and highly untrustworthy.
phead80 4 months ago
To paraphrase John Green:
"Soccer is the balance between creativity and and discipline". (he said this in a video posted in summer '10)
I think this applies to all sports. Lets take my favourite sport, MMA. If you are too aggressive, you leave yourself open; if you aren't aggressive enough, you become too predictable and can be methodically picked-apart by your opponent.
Headhunters for life!
breakingcyc 4 months ago
Perhaps anyone bitter about sports just needs to try joining a local league and see how fun it is to participate? Eh. To each their own but you can't ignore how good it makes you feel to compete in any sport that allows you to interact with others and achieve cooperative victory. What a rush! I hear frisbee golf is hella fun!
chicarbiomed 4 months ago
...ok Grap... Yankee fans are humans deserving dignity and respect.
Now I'll have to unlearn everything taught to me growing up in Boston.
bb1134 4 months ago 2
That's a good question... maybe 'flushing the baby out with the toilet water'? No... that implies someone is intentionally putting babies in toilets. Hrm. *ponders...*
Tigranis 4 months ago
Sorry but seeing as you admit that humans are generally whimsical in decision making having a system that counters the negative effects of that "nature" would seem to be a better way to go then the current system which exploits those failings of human behavior to perpetuate itself. We can do much better.
karakzanreal 4 months ago
@karakzanreal What "system" are you critiquing here?
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
@karakzanreal Huh?
ricksterZ 4 months ago
3:03 lol you think way too hard xP
ReiaSage 4 months ago
I'm not that big a fan of sports, but these guys are either masterful trolls/satirists or they're just that stupid. Very sloppy equivocation either way.
MedievalWerewolf 4 months ago
Some people I work with are insane about sports. The tvs in the break room are litterally ALWAYS on sports. China could invade and these people would never know it.
14ByTheSword 4 months ago
Saw your previous video. Can't believe people had a problem with it just because it involved a comparison to basketball. It was a good video.
MrImmoli 4 months ago
I'm not really a sports fan, but I've never been the type beat down on it. It's just something done for the love of it, whether to play or watch. Sure, some people can be cunts about it, but that's their problem and not due to sport.
lackin124 4 months ago
one time I watched a sports game and it was awesome. they all ran around doing stuff and I said GO GO GO! then the other guy stopped the other guy from doing something,. then it was over. then the crowd started burning cars and buildings. sports are awesome.
Slapnuts6931 4 months ago
Why do you feature stupid comments ?
ForYeensSake 4 months ago
@ForYeensSake Because, as I said, these comments are just a couple of examples. I hear this sort of thing far more often than I should, and therefore I call it out.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance Ok. Thanks for answering.
ForYeensSake 4 months ago
@ForYeensSake
ForYeensSake 4 months ago
If you fatten sports and religion with grotesque amounts of money the that is their right the only things I ask is A: pay the taxes you should be paying, and B: For the NCAA, pay the athletes who actually draw the fucking crowds!
TheRepublicOfUngeria 4 months ago
@TheRepublicOfUngeria Don't you consider scholarships a form of payment?
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance Yes, but that's sort of a non-liquid-benefit, like health insurance. But after covering tuition, books, parking, housing, etc. some athletes are still worth more through supply and demand, and should get the 6 - 8 figure cut that they earned.
TheRepublicOfUngeria 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance Not a realistic one. Compared to the amount of money the NCAA rakes in, the scholarship is nothing at all.
MasauFuku 4 months ago
Indoor plumming was invented in circa 1500 B.C.
imbored2 4 months ago
I don't really care what people enjoy, but sports are slightly homoerotic. Think about it...
fiend1669 4 months ago
@fiend1669 well its also a great way to get into theater
mocktheweekfan92 4 months ago
@mocktheweekfan92 playing sports or being homoerotic?
fiend1669 4 months ago
@fiend1669 bit of both
mocktheweekfan92 4 months ago
Competition created these computers (and socialist co-operation connected them :P)
TheRepublicOfUngeria 4 months ago
It's a shame a video like this has to be made.
razredge07 4 months ago
Sports also gives a community within a team. The idea that we stick together through loses and all emerge victorious together reguardless of skill or the size of their part in the team. That is why I play Rugby (look it up if you don't know what i'm talking about) and that is why my dad has played Rugby for upwards of 30 years.
MaggotKing9 4 months ago
@MaggotKing9 The only problem with that is that you can create massive hatred toward other teams. I live in Salt Lake City, I don't like football, but I am well aware of the University of Utah - Brigham Young University rivalry that exists here. And people hate each other because of their support for the other team, and why? The only profits go to people with stock in the university, the victory of The UofU isn't going to improve the lives of anyone in Salt Lake City
TheRepublicOfUngeria 4 months ago
I've always enjoyed playing sports.
Watching sports, on the other hand, I find incredibly boring.
Take basketball, for example...
You have two teams, two hoops, and a ball.
One team has the ball. They try to get it into the hoop at the other side, which is being guardeded by the other team.
They either succeed or they fail.
While the other team tries to block them, take the ball away, and get it into the other hoop.
They either succed or they fail.
Repeat ad nauseam.
SinnFein4ever 4 months ago
@SinnFein4ever I find your analysis of the sport to be hyper simplistic, but if you don't appreciate the things about it that other people enjoy there's nothing wrong with that. I feel the same way about hockey, mostly because I've never played it and I don't have the same intimate appreciations for its intricacies as I do with a sport like basketball.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance
(shrugs)
I don't care one way or the other, whether other people like to watch sports.
Everybody's entitled to have different opinions.
It's game-day traffic that I hate.
Fans who are going to a game, should either carpool, take public transportation, arrive there the night before and have a tail-gating camp-out, or ride a motercycle.
SinnFein4ever 4 months ago
@SinnFein4ever What I like is when they interview the players or coaches, especially the coaches, pre-game. What the hell are they going to say? They can't say anything meaningful about their strategy without the other team hearing about it, so it's always "Well, we're going to try to win". No SHIT? Really? You're not just blowing off this game, eh, Coach?
GoblinXXX 4 months ago
@GoblinXXX
Hi Goblin!
How are you doing today?!
(laughs)
I know EXACTLY what you mean.
I feel the same way about post-game interviews.
What are they going to say except, "We tried our best. Everybody worked as a team; and we're going to try harder next time."?
SinnFein4ever 4 months ago
@SinnFein4ever If I was a sportscaster, I'd just cue up file footage of some black and white interview from the 60s and show that for everybody, just changing the name in a caption. (I'm all excited for Halloween-- Hope you're doing good!)
GoblinXXX 4 months ago
3:12 made me laugh out loud.I wanted to say something meaningful about the subject,but that line made me forget what.Bravo.
DaemianLucifer 4 months ago
Chess is my sport...
daemonowner 4 months ago
personally i find sports dull.
that being said these people whose comments you adressed in this video were really stretching it a bit.
deathman1021 4 months ago
@OldSchoolSkill Make a video response! I think people could benefit from the dialogue.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
I hate sports but I loved the meaning video and don't think sports are evil. Just bland
branfransisco9 4 months ago
Thinking about all the money that could be put into something else then stuff relating to Justin Biber makes me sick.
karikon11 4 months ago
@MisterEvil1
Well competition is healthy. You learn more when you lose, and it's fun to win. Nothing wrong with a little competition now is there?
MillenniumRequiem 4 months ago
I'm a little baffled that anyone would have such a reaction to a sports referance in your video. It was just an analogy.
sports bore me but im not gonna go all conspiracy theorist about a sports referance.
competition is a good thing. It drives us to improve both physically and mentally. I wouldn't want to live in a society devoid of competition.
stiimuli 4 months ago
@badnewsBH
True. Thats the only real problem I have with sports. Although I do love the parties on sunday when it comes around, so much good food!
MillenniumRequiem 4 months ago
I don't really like sports, but I do not have problem w/ 'em.
1646Alex 4 months ago
Sports is aiming for the highest physical levels of the human body/mind
Yahweigh 4 months ago
The problem with competition, is there's only one winner and a great many losers. That is why I much prefer co-operation. With co-operation, everyone wins and no one loses!
MisterEvil1 4 months ago
@MisterEvil1 People co-operate in sports, and the point is to understand that winning and losing are not the end of the world. Also, yes- co-operation can result in everyone losing if the group fails to accomplish its goal.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago 4
@MisterEvil1 Part of sport is learning from mistakes and enjoying victory. If you hate losing than maybe you shouldn't be a sportsman. My team lost most of our games last season (rugby but that is irrelevant) but this season we have won all but one of our games. Only through hard work and training did we accomplish this and we came on top. Our team wins because we co-operate, their teams don't because they have a smaller collective skill level. Simple
MaggotKing9 4 months ago
@MisterEvil1: "With co-operation, everyone wins and no one loses!" This is a very non-productive reality. Three companies offer the exact same product, they cooperate and set their prices so that each makes the maximum profit. The problem is there is zero motivation to improve the product, hence, stagnation of progress. If everyone wins all of the time, there is no need to improve, or try harder/smarter. "Everyone Wins" breeds apathy.
orbnorian 4 months ago
@MisterEvil1 There are bad ways to win and good ways to lose, it's best if it's done like this because it teaches people the value of a victory and a defeat. Our failures teach us far more than our successes, which is why I always enjoy the possibility of failure in almost every senario. It's what makes the sport a competition.
elvebrothergenju 4 months ago
Great points made well. The arguments addressed in the video are spurious, and similarly spurious arguments could be made about almost any form of entertainment.
TV/films/fiction books/music is just a form of escapism distracting us from real life,making profit for the companies!
Video games/non-fiction books/news/radio/internet is just indoctrination, escapism distracting us from real life e.t.c.
Also, ultrademigod makes a great point about how sports have helped combat racism here in the UK.
DreadedWalrus 4 months ago
I'm not a fan of sports myself, but that was well argued.
toonmonkey 4 months ago
These comments were really stupid. There is nothing wrong with competition in limited, codified bounds for a purpose -
a market economy (to allocate resources efficiently), sport (to encourage fitness and at higher levels provide entertainment), school and other meritocracies (to encourage higher standards) etc
discipleoftheteapot 4 months ago
While I have no love for sports, some of these comments are just plain stupid. It's a game, people, if you love it or hate, shut up about it!
Drakescythe9 4 months ago
I here a lot people knocking sport on nationalist grounds, and while that can be true I think sport has had a positive role to play here in the UK, in regards to race relations.
Afro-Caribbean sportsman have helped promote a positive image of black people in Britain today.
ultrademigod 4 months ago
"In football the object is for the Quarterback (AKA The Field General)
to be on target with his aerial assault,
riddling the defense by hitting his receivers with deadly accuracy in spite of the blitz
Even if he has to use the shotgun with short bullet passes
and long bombs he marches his troops into enemy territory
balancing this aerial assault with a sustained ground attack which punches holes in the forward wall of the enemy's defensive line."
mrfilthyrags 4 months ago
@mrfilthyrags George Carlin?
kelseama 4 months ago
@kelseama : But of course :)
mrfilthyrags 4 months ago
@mrfilthyrags Yes, people do use metaphors to describe sports. That doesn't make the sport another version of the metaphor being used to describe it.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance : I just though you may like that, I love that routine. As you said there is nothing wrong with good healthy competition, but this world is completely obsessed with sports. So much so that riots break out people get injured sometimes even killed, it is a kind of sickness that can always be traced back to the idiotic nature of humans.
Damn dirty apes!
mrfilthyrags 4 months ago
I love sports my only problem with it is the insane amount of money they get paid for it.
MrBlackatheist 4 months ago
Two vids in less than a week ? God bless you. Huh, wait...
gilless429 4 months ago
@gilless429 I don't know what you mean. My last video was uploaded on the 23rd, one week ago.
GrapplingIgnorance 4 months ago
@GrapplingIgnorance Not where I am. On my computer it says : "6 days ago" for the last one. Where I am 7 days haven't passed, what with time difference. A few hours and it'll be 7 days but not yet. Sorry for the confusion. And great vid by the way.
gilless429 4 months ago
I don't even think this analogy works on the shallowest level. Sometimes I really wonder about people.
PaulineTriage 4 months ago