@TheCrimsonification I need no knowledge of what other people tell me about Him, for I am 100% sure that my way of thinking is tge only right one, and all who discard the one true way shall forever be doomed with lousy beer and STDs.
Ha! More parents should encourage children to stick a finger into a light socket. It might hurt a little, but at least the kids would no longer have to BELIEVE it's a dumb thing to do.
Science has poven that the "Flood" never happened. Adam and Eve never happened. This stupid ass motherfuck has taken 1 too many classes in Christian Science. Dumbfucks.
@TheCrimsonification Science has proofen the Sauciest of Floods HAS happened, and that His Noodliness actually HAS created Adam and Steve. You should read more about Our Parmesan Overlord in the Book of Lolwut. Ramen.
@miniemor Noddle science has also proven that a Mountain, a tree and a Midget were the very 1st creations. Then he spent the next 3 days making the rest of everything. Including the 3 day Weekend and the Shroud of Napkin. Go Go Gadget Flying Spaghetti Monster.
@TheCrimsonification I am glad to see a fellow Pastafarian. However, I do think it was a hill, not a mountain, and a dwarf, not a midget. I am not sure, though, and I don't have the results available to me now. But keep on praising His word. May Parmesan be upon Him. Ramen.
@miniemor You need to re-read the FSM Bibblit. Google Flying Spaghetti Monster Uncyclopedia. (Yes UN.) Most of the important stuff is there, and the rest is easily linked.
"Where, where?" - Most people on the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
"Over there, idiots." Oscar Wilde on Most people on the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
@elvebrothergenju Since when are Theists ever accused of using common sense? If their Bibblit says a bush caught on fire and talked, then it must be so, after all, why would someone write it in an ancient book of "We don't get it, so Goddidit" if it wasn't true? Or maybe, they smoked the bush and just thought it was talking. Either way, religion is nothing more than mind control and lies. It has no purpose. None. Nadda. Zero. Ziltch. Zippo. It should pay us for tolerating it for so fucking long.
Basically what I was saying is that when Theists bring up the flood, all it takes is common sense to refute their claims. You don't need anything else, no books or knowledge, logical arguements, just common sense. By the way, you're over simplifying, not all religions are like that, though most are. That I know of anyway.
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I have a friend like that too, he's a hardcore Catholic but he's all into aliens and conspiracy theories. If there's a conspiracy version of something, that's the one he'll believe. It's ridiculous. At least he believes "birds came from dinosaurs", but I think he only believes it because it sounds far-fetched to him.
These closed-minded atheists didn't even call him on his point of the existence of gravity. Time and again they ignore the evidence that indicates His Noodley Appendages holding everything to the Earth.
The way science works is you start with an open mind and follow evidence wherever it leads. You don't start with a prior belief and interpret evidence with a presupposition that the belief is certainly true which is what young earth creationists do.
@jeremythehuman well, it's not that simple. once you have a theory that works and it becomes well established then you do ignore evidence that challenges its validity for as long as possible. only when the evidence accumulates and y ou can't solve the problems that keep piling up do you abandon the theory.
lol black hole. that must be why people disappear in bermuda sometimes XP we also have one in our university's bathroom because people go in and come out in the art building :3
@luyben12 Dont you mean twice? Cant you yanks count?
See this is exactly the kind of shit I predicted 'Christ brings hope and told us blah blah blah'. You aren't answering the question. That does not justify slavery you cock. Yes, im against giving slaves false hope and completely lying to them. They dont get freedom if you tell them that YOU believe there is a magical paradise you go to when you die. It's deceptive and immoral. Your justification for the shit you speak is terrible.
@luyben12 No, but until you provide the answers to these questions that dont completely contradict your beliefs than we will continue to ask questions like this.
Then explain it dipshit. If its so easy to explain do so, then the argument can progress from there. I bet it will be the same old same old references to the Bible and interpretations etc etc. No, and it's obvious that since you cant explain it, you resort to immature 'insults' like that. Are you sure you arent mentally challenged?
@luyben12 You just contradicted yourself. First you say "It's either follow Christ and live a good life or follow your own path towards self-destruction." Then you say "I intend to live a good, moral life and by doing that I choose to follow God...."
The second statement contradicts the first because you state that believing in God is essentially unnecessary to living a good, moral life (in essence).
@luyben12 That's rubbish, we determine what is right and wrong in society, years ago it was acceptable to enslave blacks (even said so in the bible I believe) now it is not. We determined that they have equal rights, not your absurd book. Your threats dont effect any Atheist. If God was moral, he would not say to kill homsexuals, or people who work on the Sabbath. Their would be no evil people and he would destroy hell. You are only being good because of the prospect of a paradise after death.
@luyben12 Exactly, you have just proved my comment. Free will within religion is an illusion, If God is perfect and all knowing as you all claim, then from the moment you are created, he knows every decision you make in life. Including belief or non belief in him. According to the rules of your own religion; there is no such thing as free will.
@luyben12 Rubbish. A perfect being need not give mercy or love. A perfect being would not create evil people, already knowing they will be condemned to hell for all eternity the moment it creates them. A real perfect being would not feel any of the human emotions. It would not need to destroy the Earth because of mans evil because it would have thought ahead and simply not created those who committed evil. How can you not see the fundamental flaws in your religion? Basic logic disproves God
Saying - "I'm going to pick one faith out of thousands without any evidence, I know what is written in this particular faith's holy text is 100 percent accurate, I know that my own interpretations of this text is also accurate, and I'm going to use this as a basis for my morality and condemn others who go against it" - What a disgusting pillar to base society on..
@luyben12 How are we supposed to tell what God thinks is evil and what's good? Cause if you go looking through the bible you find all sorts of disgusting things that he supposedly ordered to happen.
How do we decide which God we should be following for guidance on what's right and wrong? Cause there are thousands of different faiths and variations all with about the same about of evidence to support them.
Wait...atheists believe in the black holes? There's no evidence for black holes. Noone has ever seen a black hole. No Event Horizon has ever been witnessed. Black holes are thought to be time warps....so...do atheists believe in traveling through time? LOL....other dimensions...altelrnate reality. lol.....just as loony as the God story, h ugh?
@compsciguy Complete and absolute fail, dude. The gravity well, binary x-rays, and accretion discs of a black hole give it away. There is no other body in space that has that much concentrated mass and gravity. Time warps, condensed singularities, these are theoretical, and no one claims that they are real beyond a shadow of a doubt. The black holes, the very things that these ideas are built from, are real and measurable. If you have any further doubt, get to work falsifying Einstein.
@Tr0llinF0rC4sh I find it amusing that it took a year for someone to point that out, but it is far too late for me to correct it now even if I cared to.
This loss is conditioned also upon the "peaceful and uninterrupted reign" by an occupying power, which replaced the legal sovereign. This latter, the occupying power, could press the legal claim of prescription only if its possession of the territory extended for a reasonable time, and was open, notorious and active.
As for the Arab's occupation, it was more significant both in terms of numbers and authority. The Islamic conquest put an end to the rule of the West in the year 638, and except for the brief interlude of the Crusades in the twelfth century, Jerusalem remained under the Arabs up until 1967. This tenure gave them a prescriptive right to Palestine.
During nineteen centuries since their dispersion after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, they ceased to exist in Palestine as a people. A general history of non rule cannot serve as the basis for historic claims.
Moreover, this claim, supposedly accepted, ignores the rules of prescription existing in any legal order. A title to property is lost if not claimed within a reasonable period of time.
The Israeli claims do not include any long-standing territorial occupation and use of the territory; rather, they claim an ancient religious and cultural connection to it. In reality, established history reveals that consolidated Jewish rule lasted only 400 years, from 1000 BC to 587 BC.
Israelis nowadays do not place primary emphasis on religious dimension, which is more of a Christian idea. According to recent statistics, the number of Israelis living in Israel, who believe in JHWH, are fewer than those who do not believe are.
From a legal point of view, the basic criterion in any claim to territory is occupation. The key element in resolving such claims according to the ICJ is the effectiveness of occupation.
Atheism is the most unscientific premise, while we have no scientific alternative to creationism: what? This is evidenced by the lack of textual comprehension exposed of the Noah writings by so called free thinker. The Noah text preambles it is directed only at Noah & his possessions - this makes the texts totally credible in its grammar, location descriptions, while introducing the first historical reference to Mount Ararat and the first alphabetical book in the most supreme writings ever seen.
@ELVISCHALLENGE That's false. The book was translated into english a long, long time ago, and throughout the evolution of english, has changed even further. Text are not credible in proving a God nor proving walking on water and the likes. Just like any other ancient text, the Bible is not proof of itself.
He proved nothing. He was challenged to produce an Aramaic alphabetical book. The region of Noah was known for floods & famines - its texts require guided supervising. Moses is not provable because this is what the text guarantees, however 250 years down we have proof of David. Millions of identifiable & contemporary historical stats can be found in the Mosaic verses. These make the Hebrew bible the most vindicated scripture of all. Maybe he is confused with Zeus!
Deceptive, Elvischallenged - all your posts are deceptive, its why you refuse to respond to anyone who challenges your silly ancient mythical beliefs with rationality, science and reason
Hebrew stems from Aramaic, there was no great flood the covered the earth, mankind did not all come from Noah's incest, there's no evidence for Moses, Abraham, King David and the bible certainly does not contain any concept of evolution of 'creationism' - its a bunch of myths for indoctrinated sheeple
Nothing was refuted. Pls produce a phonecian or aramaic alphabetical book older than the Hebrew. Those languages did not possess the V alphabet and have no hard copy evidences - they merely reflect Europe's views which are 2000 + years after the fact, with no proofs. I gave a link reference showing Greeks got their alphabeticals from the Hebrew - this is also stated in the Joseohus writings. Mad [2000 lashes per frame] Mel was totally wrong for using Aramaic in his flick.
@ELVISCHALLENGE asking questions and then being unable to answer them is against your intellect - your very comment here shows that you have not been blocked
'Upon the earth' refers to earth/land of Noah's region only. 'Everything that creepeth' refers to those earth hugging life forms that were consumable [clean/kosher]. Only this reading aligns with all went into the arc on that self same day.
After the flood, the arc landed in different nearby region, where there were many life forms:
9/2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, and upon all wherewith the ground teemeth.
@MENTALLYCHALLENGED - what is your problem with replying? are you so afraid to have your beliefs challenged that you must be deceptive in not addressing people? oh ye of little faith .
"Upon the earth' refers to the earth and all that was upon it - t s in that book of ancient primitive books, originally written in Aramaic,that you continue to cite as some kinf of text.
Everything that creepeth, refers to, you guessed it, everything that creepeth - yet there are things still creeping now
@flumoxed2 All was answered. Yes, Hebrew bible is first alphabetical book [ a multi-page continueing narrative]. Which other book qualifies? Hebrew is not first language, but older than aramaic, & greeks got alphabeticals from Hebrew, not phonecians [check youtube: hist of Hebrew pt 7]. Pls produce an older alphabetical writing? Its a mystery how Hebrew alphabeticals emerged in deserts before returning to Canaan. We have no alphabetical books for 800 years thereafter.
@ELVISCHALLENGE as already refuted, the hebrew bible was originally written in Aramaic, a language that Hebrew stemmed from - it wasn't alphabetic. Aramaic predates Hebrew, because Hebrew stemmed from the phoneticians - There are inscriptions that evidence the earliest use of the language, dating from the 10th century BCE.
Greek has the longest documented history of any Indo-European language, spanning 34 centuries of written records. - Tis also older than hebrew
@MENTALLYCHALLENGED - "after the flood the arc landed in a nearby region, where there were many life forms"? but how was that possible, according to the ancient Babylonian story, which Judaism plagiarised, the entire earth was flooded, the only life was on board the ark - so of course, being flooded for a whole year meant there were no other life forms -
Youre not one to answer the logical fallacies of the ancient primitive myths, are you
Noah is told to make an ark that is 450 feet long (Genesis 6:14-15). The largest wooden ships ever built were just over 300 feet, and they required diagonal iron strapping for support. Even so, they leaked so badly that they had to be pumped constantly. Are we to believe that Noah, with no shipbuilding knowledge and no shipbuilding tradition to rely upon, was able to construct a wooden ship that was longer than any that has been built since?
At this time Creationism & Monotheism was not yet initiated, and this factor has no impact with the Noah story. There is a great disconnect in cherry picking some FX miracles, getting those wrong, while ignoring millions of stats in the Hebrew bible's verses which are correct & scientifically vindicated. Critical mass must apply.
The operative word in 7:21 is 'THE EARTH' - which refers to the land in Noah's vicinity only. Lands in plural is not stated. Domestic [no wild animals listed] is referred to by Noah's possessions. This is the only reading consistant with the boat's given sizes, where it landed [Mount Ararat, regional area] . Any other reading makes it non-sensical, namely Noah is asked to fit all life forms in a flask - inconsistant with the rest of the 5 books. Tasmania and London never existed at this time.
@ELVISCHALLENGE WOW.....that was the most convoluted apologist nonsense I've ever heard.
You are a perfect example of how Christians like to edit, interpret and twist the words to suit their purposes.
Oh, and London might not have been a city at the time Genesis was written, but the island of Tasmania was most certainly there....as well as every other land mass on the planet.
The reason any other reading besides your jerrymandered version is nonsensical is because IT IS MYTH, not fact.
@ciaochowbella "the island of Tasmania was most certainly there....as well as every other land mass on the planet."
This is your error. These land masses did not exist - to the people in Noah's time and region. At this time poeple usually never left their villages throughout the lives. This makes the writings 100% authentic and applying to the subjects it speaks to some 5000 years ago. In 5000 years from now, we may conquer Mars, but we cannot include that in today's discussion of ourworld.
@ELVISCHALLENGE Yet those people of Noah's time and place had no problem projecting their deity as the god of the entire universe and the whole world. You can't have it both ways. Either the god of Noah created and destroyed it all or he's a local god with no real significance and you're in the wrong worshipping him.
You're asking for special pleading. Pick a position. Either your god is the creator or he's a local deity.
@ELVISCHALLENGE " the people of mythical noahs time never left their villages"
Whether by twos or by sevens, Noah takes male and female representatives from each species of “every thing that creepeth upon the earth” (Genesis 7:8). Now this must have taken some time, along with expert knowledge of taxonomy, genetics, biogeography, and anatomy. How did Noah manage to collect the endemic species from the New World, Australia, Polynesia, and other remote regions entirely unknown to him?
@ELVISCHALLENGE How, once he found them, did he transport them back to his Near Eastern home? How could he tell the male and female beetles (there are more than 500,000 species) apart? How did he know how to care for these new and unfamiliar animals? How did he find the space on the ark?
How did Mythical magical Noah manage to find and care for the hundreds of thousands of parasitic species or the hundreds of thousands of plant species? (Plants are ignored in the Genesis account, but the animals wouldn’t last long if the plants died in the flood.) No, wait, don’t tell me, a miracle happened, millions of them.
All of the animals boarded the ark “in the selfsame day” (Genesis 7:13-14).
Since there were several million species involved, they must have boarded at a rate of at least 100 per second. How did poor Noah and his family make sure that the correct number of each species entered through the door and then get them all settled into their proper living quarters so efficiently?
The flood covered the highest mountain tops (Mount Everest?) with fifteen cubits to spare (Genesis 7:20). Where did all the water come from? Where did it all go? Why is there no evidence of such a massive flood in the geological record?
Noah kills the “clean beasts” and burns their bodies for God (Genesis 8:20). According to Genesis 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all “clean” animals since only 2 of each were taken onto the ark.
When the animals left the ark (Genesis 8:19), what would they have eaten? There would have been no plants after the ground had been submerged for nearly a year.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone extinct. And how did the New World primates or the Australian marsupials find there way back after the flood subsided?
gee, this 'creationism. you claim exists is full of holes,
Why is not a single wild animal listed, if all the world was referred to? Why is not a single country or land outside that region mentioned? The Hebrew bible is the greatest example of perfect grammar and literary merit: one must take the most commonsense path for correct comprehension. Your reading renders the verse of Noah's possessions as superfluous - roof it is the wrong reading.
@ELVISCHALLENGE Genesis 7:21 specifies that all animals wild and domestic died. The bible is full of grammatical, translation, historical and factual inaccuracies. These stories may be based on regional events but the stories tell of worldwide and total ones. You sir are incorrect.
@SPACKlick The pivotal, operative factors are no wild animals are listed; no lands outside the region are mentioned. There are no anomalies in the Hebrew bible. Of note, despite containing millions of numbers throughout its verses, not a single mathematical error exists. Its writings are cherished and used by the greatest writers and poets. Grammaticaly, it employs the shoretst distance between two words - the mark of perfect writings. Historically identifiable rivers & mounts are introduced.
@ELVISCHALLENGE No animals are listed at all, only types of animal, but in genesis 7:21 specifies in the hebrew domestic animals and wild beats ll perished in the flood. As for mathematical errors I'll simply point ot the round table with pi=3. The geography is not perfect for if you look at the exodus the route and the timings simply do not match up to the number of peoples involved,
The bible speaks of a worldwide flood, covering ALL the earth and it is in this case as in other wrong.
@SPACKlick Many domestic animals are listed, both clean [consumable; kosher] and non-clean [beasts of burden]. Tigers, crocs, bears - these are not listed. If you were told to take your possessions and household and get on the train because a flood is coming - would you include polar bears and butterflies? Ridiculously, millions of wondrous stats are ignored which are unequalled in any writings, and a few FX items are obsessed with.
@ELVISCHALLENGE Please give reference to the version of the bible and verses in which animals are listed. Also tell me why Gen 7:21 does not mean to you that all wild beasts perished in the flood. The bible has many errors but if you wish to point to one or two specifically wonderous statements I'd be pleased to see them for I have never seen one.
The point in the ones that are focussed on is they are clear and unquestionable errors, which refutes an inerrant bible.
@SPACKlick Only Noah's household is called upon: 7/1 And the LORD said unto Noah: 'Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before Me in this generation.
Only domestic animals in Noah's household are listed [domestic cattle & fowl]: 6/20 Of the fowl after their kind, and of the cattle after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind. [In this ancient times, creeping things were consumed].
@ELVISCHALLENGE7:21 specifically refers to all animals wild and domestic being killed, not just domestic. The text in the bible speaks of a flood covering all the lands, and killing all the people and all the animals, your position is inconsistent and flawed.
@ELVISCHALLENGE In Genesis 7:4, god says, "and every living substance that I have made I will destroy off the face of the earth." No where does it specify only domestic animals. No where does it imply just the area local to Noah will be destroyed. It says, "every living substance".
Genesis 7:21 says, "And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, amd every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man."
@ELVISCHALLENGE And it's clear dietary laws and restrictions were already in place since "both clean and unclean" animals were collected. They didn't eat "creeping things", only that which was deemed clean.
@ELVISCHALLENGE No animals are listed at all, only types of animal, but in genesis 7:21 specifies in the hebrew domestic animals and wild beats ll perished in the flood. As for mathematical errors I'll simply point ot the round table with pi=3. The geography is not perfect for if you look at the exodus the route and the timings simply do not match up to the number of peoples involved,
The bible speaks of a worldwide flood, covering ALL the earth and it is in this case as in other wrong.
@SPACKlick@SPACKlick 7.21 refers to earth, not all earth, namely the region in context. Obviously, all life in the region perished, including wild animals in this region - but none outside this region, and while historically identifiable locations are listed, none outside the region are named.
ANALOGY. If today we report all the earth was flooded - does it include the moon also? No, yet in 5000 years from now, we will inhabit the moon. The Noah report is 5000 years old: Moscow never exsted
@SPACKlick The Exodus route is not yet known. But there is no question a large group of Israelites were in Egypt, then migrated to Canaan, and held sovereign rule there till Rome's invasion. See 3,500 year old Egyptian stelle mentioning a war with "ISRAEL". The most astounding math is seen in the Hebrew bible: that the 10 Commandments were given on a saturday ['Remember "THIS" day as the sabbath] - it matches the entire 3000 year calendar of millions of dates and numbers in the fve books.
If they can have a bag of holding, then why didn't they make the totally obvious reference! They had an excellent opportunity to mention it and permanently brand themselves as total nerds, and they passed it up! The bag of holding is not good enough
Noah's text speaks of a regional flood only, The animals were domestic ['Noah's possessions - the text]. No wild animals are mentioned. The point of all the world was flooded means this is how it appeared to the people: Tasmania never existed at this time.
@SPACKlick The term 'regional' did not exist then. But the text limits to Noah's possessions & household only, the sites mentioned [Mount Ararat] align with its regional bounderies only. Of course, at this time there was no such thing as 'global' in any case - most of the continents we know today never existed as inhabited places. The Noah writings bear astonishing historical & mathematical credibility even outside of the size of the flood, and cannot be regarded myth. No global reports exist.
@ELVISCHALLENGE "all the people of the earth" were killed by the flood. Noah was commanded to take "every kibd" of the animals listed. and the flood was to kill "every living creature [God had] made" "all creatures that have the breath of life in them" entered the ark. "all the high mountains on the earth were covered". "everything that had lived on dry land died.
These are not selective or regional statemnets but absolutes encompassing the whole earth. Bible is GLOBAL FLOOD, you are wrong.
@SPACKlick And all the earth was that region only. All the animals were Noah's domestic animals - no other animals are listed - thus it cannot be read as all global animals. The [regional] mountains were covered; the earth refers to regional land only, not all lands; no other lands were known to this people. The absolutes are limited to the region only. Of note, Egypt and Cush are not mentioned, negating any global premises. The boat rested at the end in a nearby mount of the region.
@ELVISCHALLENGE Find one historical example of "all things on the earth" being used to refer to a small region of the earth in another text to support your case or admit that the story, which is probably BASED on a regional event has been expanded to cover the entire earth.
@SPACKlick 'every kid' - from Noah's household. 'all the people of earth' refers to the earth of that region. 'Which God had made' means all life was made by God. These are not absolutes, you are mis-reading what earth means: consider all the earth of Japan? There is not a single word which points to wild animals or a country outside the region! A rainbow is not seen all over the world but only in one region at any given time.
@ELVISCHALLENGE "'Which God had made' means all life was made by God." Yes, and since ALL th life which god had made was killed by the flood it must have been worldwide.
Also as for your lack of regional language consider the plagues of egypt, Every first born son IN EGYPT was killed the waters of THE NILE were turned to blood EX7:19 Everyhere in the land of Egypt the waters will turn to blood.
It refers to frogs across the entire land of the pharoah. Regional language existed.
I stuck my finger in the light socket, when I was a small child, and let me tell you...
Energy IS what people call 'God'. Does it care about you? Nope. Does it have the power to create things? Yup. Can it hurt you? Absolutely. Does it do all of this consciously? Not at all!
@LordBLB "Energy IS what people call 'God'. Does it care about you? Nope. Does it have the power to create things? Yup. Can it hurt you? Absolutely. Does it do all of this consciously? Not at all!"
then why bother calling it "god" at all? Why bother elevating such a natural force to the status of deity?
Yeah I kind of got the same vibe too. The way he is saying it denotes that he is reading from a page because he wrote something to tell and he thinks it is very important. Also, the way that he thinks it is important lets us know that he is very involved in it now but the fire may die down later. He will either become a more relaxed atheist or convert.
but i was interested and i started to question how all the animals fit so i started doing some research and here is what i found to prove that the animals fit
if you search this on you tube :How Did All The Animals Fit On The Ark? and the account should be by ExamineTheEvidence
I agree with what the caller was saying but he could've emailed that statement.
I started accidentally tuning him out because there was no dialogue. I understand why he did that and I could even see myself accidentally making that mistake
He's just too overwhelmed by the ignorance that he sees. But still, whew, I feel embarrassed for the guy.
I dont put much stock in the claim that religion makes people credulous. Ive heard many Atheist make this claim I believe you caller was reading from Dawkins god delusion. At best its an untested hypothesis. To me it seems that it is the other way around makes more sense, that is naturally credulous people become religious. People need to reevaluate evangelizing atheism to the extent they believe it is for altruist means.
Actually, at "best" - from the perspective of the believer - it's an untestable hypothesis. Usually, however, it's an eminently testable hypothesis that is trivially shown false.
I should clarify what I meant by it. By it I mean the suggestion that religion makes people foolish/gullible is an untested hypothesis. I don't think this is the case.
In that case, I'll say that people are generally credulous. If you add to their natural credulity the idea that certain things should be accepted without supporting evidence or other justification, then they are _definitionally_ more credulous than otherwise.
I AM NOT OVER SIMPLIFYING!! Just relax and fucking be smart...otherwise shut the fuck up. :)
TheCrimsonification 3 days ago
@TheCrimsonification I need no knowledge of what other people tell me about Him, for I am 100% sure that my way of thinking is tge only right one, and all who discard the one true way shall forever be doomed with lousy beer and STDs.
miniemor 1 week ago
Still glad they let him speak. That was a really good message. =)
NairuOnLife 1 week ago
Ha! More parents should encourage children to stick a finger into a light socket. It might hurt a little, but at least the kids would no longer have to BELIEVE it's a dumb thing to do.
ChipArgyle 2 weeks ago
Science has poven that the "Flood" never happened. Adam and Eve never happened. This stupid ass motherfuck has taken 1 too many classes in Christian Science. Dumbfucks.
TheCrimsonification 1 month ago
@TheCrimsonification Science has proofen the Sauciest of Floods HAS happened, and that His Noodliness actually HAS created Adam and Steve. You should read more about Our Parmesan Overlord in the Book of Lolwut. Ramen.
miniemor 3 weeks ago
@miniemor Noddle science has also proven that a Mountain, a tree and a Midget were the very 1st creations. Then he spent the next 3 days making the rest of everything. Including the 3 day Weekend and the Shroud of Napkin. Go Go Gadget Flying Spaghetti Monster.
TheCrimsonification 3 weeks ago
@TheCrimsonification I am glad to see a fellow Pastafarian. However, I do think it was a hill, not a mountain, and a dwarf, not a midget. I am not sure, though, and I don't have the results available to me now. But keep on praising His word. May Parmesan be upon Him. Ramen.
miniemor 3 weeks ago
@miniemor You need to re-read the FSM Bibblit. Google Flying Spaghetti Monster Uncyclopedia. (Yes UN.) Most of the important stuff is there, and the rest is easily linked.
"Where, where?" - Most people on the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
"Over there, idiots." Oscar Wilde on Most people on the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
TheCrimsonification 1 week ago
@TheCrimsonification
I think Common sense is sufficient to prove those wrong.:3
elvebrothergenju 1 week ago
@elvebrothergenju Since when are Theists ever accused of using common sense? If their Bibblit says a bush caught on fire and talked, then it must be so, after all, why would someone write it in an ancient book of "We don't get it, so Goddidit" if it wasn't true? Or maybe, they smoked the bush and just thought it was talking. Either way, religion is nothing more than mind control and lies. It has no purpose. None. Nadda. Zero. Ziltch. Zippo. It should pay us for tolerating it for so fucking long.
TheCrimsonification 1 week ago
@TheCrimsonification
Basically what I was saying is that when Theists bring up the flood, all it takes is common sense to refute their claims. You don't need anything else, no books or knowledge, logical arguements, just common sense. By the way, you're over simplifying, not all religions are like that, though most are. That I know of anyway.
elvebrothergenju 1 week ago
AHAHA God has Bag of Holding.
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The title of this video sounds like an awesome title for a sci-fi flick!
maujo2009 2 months ago
I have a friend like that too, he's a hardcore Catholic but he's all into aliens and conspiracy theories. If there's a conspiracy version of something, that's the one he'll believe. It's ridiculous. At least he believes "birds came from dinosaurs", but I think he only believes it because it sounds far-fetched to him.
GuacamoleKun 2 months ago
Then why make the ark???
LiberalsUtopian 2 months ago
This vid was boring as batshit
Pigroota 3 months ago
Respond to this video... I am queen of the Universe ! Problem solved!
420gma 3 months ago
I am God in Heaven & God on Earth, mystery solved.
RBGSolider 3 months ago
These closed-minded atheists didn't even call him on his point of the existence of gravity. Time and again they ignore the evidence that indicates His Noodley Appendages holding everything to the Earth.
TuahShinguru 3 months ago
@TuahShinguru We did not have the knowledge of his noodley greatness back in 2008. They have an idol of him on there desk nowadays.
BelialAndar 2 months ago
LOL, a Noah's Ark of Holding
I wonder if it holds a Crash of Rhinos +2
Draginvry2 3 months ago
Good point but it ain't really appropriate to call into a talk show and read your essay into the record. Start a blog.
Kailoa36 3 months ago
@luyben12 your comment is so stupid that i'm calling troll
topperheartramada 3 months ago
The way science works is you start with an open mind and follow evidence wherever it leads. You don't start with a prior belief and interpret evidence with a presupposition that the belief is certainly true which is what young earth creationists do.
jeremythehuman 4 months ago
@jeremythehuman well, it's not that simple. once you have a theory that works and it becomes well established then you do ignore evidence that challenges its validity for as long as possible. only when the evidence accumulates and y ou can't solve the problems that keep piling up do you abandon the theory.
topperheartramada 3 months ago
Off topic a bit: what's the intro song?
chrisrhudy02 4 months ago
I wish they didn't have to cut him off early :(
Rizimar 5 months ago 2
lol black hole. that must be why people disappear in bermuda sometimes XP we also have one in our university's bathroom because people go in and come out in the art building :3
darkchibicosmos 5 months ago
@darkchibicosmos nice! that art building bathroom sucked me in a few times. X)
chrisrhudy02 4 months ago
@luyben12 Dodging the question as always.
MegaLolburger 5 months ago 7
he stole matt's show!
aierce 5 months ago
@luyben12 I agree! These silly atheists could not possibly understand the delicious purity of the flying spaghetti monster, RAmen!
DMAN123223 5 months ago 19
@luyben12 Dont you mean twice? Cant you yanks count?
See this is exactly the kind of shit I predicted 'Christ brings hope and told us blah blah blah'. You aren't answering the question. That does not justify slavery you cock. Yes, im against giving slaves false hope and completely lying to them. They dont get freedom if you tell them that YOU believe there is a magical paradise you go to when you die. It's deceptive and immoral. Your justification for the shit you speak is terrible.
MegaLolburger 6 months ago 3
@luyben12 No, but until you provide the answers to these questions that dont completely contradict your beliefs than we will continue to ask questions like this.
Then explain it dipshit. If its so easy to explain do so, then the argument can progress from there. I bet it will be the same old same old references to the Bible and interpretations etc etc. No, and it's obvious that since you cant explain it, you resort to immature 'insults' like that. Are you sure you arent mentally challenged?
MegaLolburger 6 months ago
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@luyben12 You just contradicted yourself. First you say "It's either follow Christ and live a good life or follow your own path towards self-destruction." Then you say "I intend to live a good, moral life and by doing that I choose to follow God...."
The second statement contradicts the first because you state that believing in God is essentially unnecessary to living a good, moral life (in essence).
atheistram 6 months ago
@luyben12 That's rubbish, we determine what is right and wrong in society, years ago it was acceptable to enslave blacks (even said so in the bible I believe) now it is not. We determined that they have equal rights, not your absurd book. Your threats dont effect any Atheist. If God was moral, he would not say to kill homsexuals, or people who work on the Sabbath. Their would be no evil people and he would destroy hell. You are only being good because of the prospect of a paradise after death.
MegaLolburger 6 months ago
@luyben12 Exactly, you have just proved my comment. Free will within religion is an illusion, If God is perfect and all knowing as you all claim, then from the moment you are created, he knows every decision you make in life. Including belief or non belief in him. According to the rules of your own religion; there is no such thing as free will.
MegaLolburger 6 months ago
@luyben12 Rubbish. A perfect being need not give mercy or love. A perfect being would not create evil people, already knowing they will be condemned to hell for all eternity the moment it creates them. A real perfect being would not feel any of the human emotions. It would not need to destroy the Earth because of mans evil because it would have thought ahead and simply not created those who committed evil. How can you not see the fundamental flaws in your religion? Basic logic disproves God
MegaLolburger 6 months ago
Cont.
Saying - "I'm going to pick one faith out of thousands without any evidence, I know what is written in this particular faith's holy text is 100 percent accurate, I know that my own interpretations of this text is also accurate, and I'm going to use this as a basis for my morality and condemn others who go against it" - What a disgusting pillar to base society on..
Thank God for secularism =p
antichrist65535 6 months ago 2
@luyben12 How are we supposed to tell what God thinks is evil and what's good? Cause if you go looking through the bible you find all sorts of disgusting things that he supposedly ordered to happen.
How do we decide which God we should be following for guidance on what's right and wrong? Cause there are thousands of different faiths and variations all with about the same about of evidence to support them.
antichrist65535 6 months ago
So there's an invisible vortex between Mt. Ararat and Australia. LOL.
cometrally 6 months ago
Wait...atheists believe in the black holes? There's no evidence for black holes. Noone has ever seen a black hole. No Event Horizon has ever been witnessed. Black holes are thought to be time warps....so...do atheists believe in traveling through time? LOL....other dimensions...altelrnate reality. lol.....just as loony as the God story, h ugh?
compsciguy 7 months ago
@compsciguy Complete and absolute fail, dude. The gravity well, binary x-rays, and accretion discs of a black hole give it away. There is no other body in space that has that much concentrated mass and gravity. Time warps, condensed singularities, these are theoretical, and no one claims that they are real beyond a shadow of a doubt. The black holes, the very things that these ideas are built from, are real and measurable. If you have any further doubt, get to work falsifying Einstein.
MyChallengeChannel 7 months ago
Why don't we die when the sun goes down?
Daiblix 7 months ago
party on wayne , party on garth
needle11 7 months ago
His vampire analogy was brilliant.
greenjelly01 7 months ago
@Malignis And Noah was a Time Lord from the planet Gallifrey, it all makes sense now!
TheBlueManChoo 8 months ago
Started turning off after about three minutes of the callers long involved speech.
dilwich123 8 months ago
There is probably a god.
CambridgeHeights 9 months ago
@CambridgeHeights for my part, it is probable that god is a concept invented by humans and does not trace to an actual entity.
CntrBrdr 8 months ago
@luyben12 Ah, you mean Dick Cheney! Why didn't you say so in the first place.
GreyLabyrinthine 9 months ago 2
tsk tsk... people reading off a paper during a debate, no matter what side they're on, fail
joe1234567890i 9 months ago 2
@luyben12 ... Dr. Phil?
GreyLabyrinthine 9 months ago
@luyben12 Winston Churchill?
GreyLabyrinthine 9 months ago
That calller actually irritated me more than the creationists they get on that show. Such a stunted world view.
gleehmee 9 months ago
Quote.. I am trying to cut down on the people who agree with us? So is contention, strife, boasting, pride, and ego running your show? I think so.
freespeachrulez 9 months ago
@Malignis Does that mean Noah was the Doctor?
DalomirD 9 months ago
@DalomirD Since God gave Noah the specifications for the build, the only logical conclusion is that the Doctor is God.
Asmodaeus1 9 months ago
@Malignis *than
Tr0llinF0rC4sh 9 months ago
@Tr0llinF0rC4sh I find it amusing that it took a year for someone to point that out, but it is far too late for me to correct it now even if I cared to.
Asmodaeus1 9 months ago
they have a pretty weird music at the beginning....
bbphnix 10 months ago
@Malignis
You mean like in Harry Potter?
LanteanKnight 11 months ago
This loss is conditioned also upon the "peaceful and uninterrupted reign" by an occupying power, which replaced the legal sovereign. This latter, the occupying power, could press the legal claim of prescription only if its possession of the territory extended for a reasonable time, and was open, notorious and active.
flumoxed2 1 year ago
As for the Arab's occupation, it was more significant both in terms of numbers and authority. The Islamic conquest put an end to the rule of the West in the year 638, and except for the brief interlude of the Crusades in the twelfth century, Jerusalem remained under the Arabs up until 1967. This tenure gave them a prescriptive right to Palestine.
flumoxed2 1 year ago
During nineteen centuries since their dispersion after the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, they ceased to exist in Palestine as a people. A general history of non rule cannot serve as the basis for historic claims.
Moreover, this claim, supposedly accepted, ignores the rules of prescription existing in any legal order. A title to property is lost if not claimed within a reasonable period of time.
flumoxed2 1 year ago
The Israeli claims do not include any long-standing territorial occupation and use of the territory; rather, they claim an ancient religious and cultural connection to it. In reality, established history reveals that consolidated Jewish rule lasted only 400 years, from 1000 BC to 587 BC.
flumoxed2 1 year ago
Israelis nowadays do not place primary emphasis on religious dimension, which is more of a Christian idea. According to recent statistics, the number of Israelis living in Israel, who believe in JHWH, are fewer than those who do not believe are.
From a legal point of view, the basic criterion in any claim to territory is occupation. The key element in resolving such claims according to the ICJ is the effectiveness of occupation.
flumoxed2 1 year ago
Atheism is the most unscientific premise, while we have no scientific alternative to creationism: what? This is evidenced by the lack of textual comprehension exposed of the Noah writings by so called free thinker. The Noah text preambles it is directed only at Noah & his possessions - this makes the texts totally credible in its grammar, location descriptions, while introducing the first historical reference to Mount Ararat and the first alphabetical book in the most supreme writings ever seen.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE That's false. The book was translated into english a long, long time ago, and throughout the evolution of english, has changed even further. Text are not credible in proving a God nor proving walking on water and the likes. Just like any other ancient text, the Bible is not proof of itself.
iliveon 9 months ago
He proved nothing. He was challenged to produce an Aramaic alphabetical book. The region of Noah was known for floods & famines - its texts require guided supervising. Moses is not provable because this is what the text guarantees, however 250 years down we have proof of David. Millions of identifiable & contemporary historical stats can be found in the Mosaic verses. These make the Hebrew bible the most vindicated scripture of all. Maybe he is confused with Zeus!
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
Deceptive, Elvischallenged - all your posts are deceptive, its why you refuse to respond to anyone who challenges your silly ancient mythical beliefs with rationality, science and reason
Hebrew stems from Aramaic, there was no great flood the covered the earth, mankind did not all come from Noah's incest, there's no evidence for Moses, Abraham, King David and the bible certainly does not contain any concept of evolution of 'creationism' - its a bunch of myths for indoctrinated sheeple
flumoxed2 1 year ago
Deceptive - which part? You claimed the Hebrew bible is not the first alphabetical book - pls prove your case.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
Nothing was refuted. Pls produce a phonecian or aramaic alphabetical book older than the Hebrew. Those languages did not possess the V alphabet and have no hard copy evidences - they merely reflect Europe's views which are 2000 + years after the fact, with no proofs. I gave a link reference showing Greeks got their alphabeticals from the Hebrew - this is also stated in the Joseohus writings. Mad [2000 lashes per frame] Mel was totally wrong for using Aramaic in his flick.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE who are you posting this at? - why is it you persist in posting your rubbish in such a deceptive manner
flumoxed2 1 year ago
Asking questions then putting a 'block' is against forum rules.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE asking questions and then being unable to answer them is against your intellect - your very comment here shows that you have not been blocked
flumoxed2 1 year ago
'Upon the earth' refers to earth/land of Noah's region only. 'Everything that creepeth' refers to those earth hugging life forms that were consumable [clean/kosher]. Only this reading aligns with all went into the arc on that self same day.
After the flood, the arc landed in different nearby region, where there were many life forms:
9/2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, and upon all wherewith the ground teemeth.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@MENTALLYCHALLENGED - what is your problem with replying? are you so afraid to have your beliefs challenged that you must be deceptive in not addressing people? oh ye of little faith .
"Upon the earth' refers to the earth and all that was upon it - t s in that book of ancient primitive books, originally written in Aramaic,that you continue to cite as some kinf of text.
Everything that creepeth, refers to, you guessed it, everything that creepeth - yet there are things still creeping now
flumoxed2 1 year ago
@flumoxed2 All was answered. Yes, Hebrew bible is first alphabetical book [ a multi-page continueing narrative]. Which other book qualifies? Hebrew is not first language, but older than aramaic, & greeks got alphabeticals from Hebrew, not phonecians [check youtube: hist of Hebrew pt 7]. Pls produce an older alphabetical writing? Its a mystery how Hebrew alphabeticals emerged in deserts before returning to Canaan. We have no alphabetical books for 800 years thereafter.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE as already refuted, the hebrew bible was originally written in Aramaic, a language that Hebrew stemmed from - it wasn't alphabetic. Aramaic predates Hebrew, because Hebrew stemmed from the phoneticians - There are inscriptions that evidence the earliest use of the language, dating from the 10th century BCE.
Greek has the longest documented history of any Indo-European language, spanning 34 centuries of written records. - Tis also older than hebrew
flumoxed2 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE Epic of Gilgamesh bro. and no Greek: 8th century BC Hebrew: 3rd century BCE
SorryStamin 2 weeks ago
@MENTALLYCHALLENGED - "after the flood the arc landed in a nearby region, where there were many life forms"? but how was that possible, according to the ancient Babylonian story, which Judaism plagiarised, the entire earth was flooded, the only life was on board the ark - so of course, being flooded for a whole year meant there were no other life forms -
Youre not one to answer the logical fallacies of the ancient primitive myths, are you
flumoxed2 1 year ago
@ELVI
Noah is told to make an ark that is 450 feet long (Genesis 6:14-15). The largest wooden ships ever built were just over 300 feet, and they required diagonal iron strapping for support. Even so, they leaked so badly that they had to be pumped constantly. Are we to believe that Noah, with no shipbuilding knowledge and no shipbuilding tradition to rely upon, was able to construct a wooden ship that was longer than any that has been built since?
flumoxed2 1 year ago
At this time Creationism & Monotheism was not yet initiated, and this factor has no impact with the Noah story. There is a great disconnect in cherry picking some FX miracles, getting those wrong, while ignoring millions of stats in the Hebrew bible's verses which are correct & scientifically vindicated. Critical mass must apply.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
The operative word in 7:21 is 'THE EARTH' - which refers to the land in Noah's vicinity only. Lands in plural is not stated. Domestic [no wild animals listed] is referred to by Noah's possessions. This is the only reading consistant with the boat's given sizes, where it landed [Mount Ararat, regional area] . Any other reading makes it non-sensical, namely Noah is asked to fit all life forms in a flask - inconsistant with the rest of the 5 books. Tasmania and London never existed at this time.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE WOW.....that was the most convoluted apologist nonsense I've ever heard.
You are a perfect example of how Christians like to edit, interpret and twist the words to suit their purposes.
Oh, and London might not have been a city at the time Genesis was written, but the island of Tasmania was most certainly there....as well as every other land mass on the planet.
The reason any other reading besides your jerrymandered version is nonsensical is because IT IS MYTH, not fact.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ciaochowbella "the island of Tasmania was most certainly there....as well as every other land mass on the planet."
This is your error. These land masses did not exist - to the people in Noah's time and region. At this time poeple usually never left their villages throughout the lives. This makes the writings 100% authentic and applying to the subjects it speaks to some 5000 years ago. In 5000 years from now, we may conquer Mars, but we cannot include that in today's discussion of ourworld.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE Yet those people of Noah's time and place had no problem projecting their deity as the god of the entire universe and the whole world. You can't have it both ways. Either the god of Noah created and destroyed it all or he's a local god with no real significance and you're in the wrong worshipping him.
You're asking for special pleading. Pick a position. Either your god is the creator or he's a local deity.
Either way, you still have to prove he's god.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE " the people of mythical noahs time never left their villages"
Whether by twos or by sevens, Noah takes male and female representatives from each species of “every thing that creepeth upon the earth” (Genesis 7:8). Now this must have taken some time, along with expert knowledge of taxonomy, genetics, biogeography, and anatomy. How did Noah manage to collect the endemic species from the New World, Australia, Polynesia, and other remote regions entirely unknown to him?
flumoxed2 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE How, once he found them, did he transport them back to his Near Eastern home? How could he tell the male and female beetles (there are more than 500,000 species) apart? How did he know how to care for these new and unfamiliar animals? How did he find the space on the ark?
flumoxed2 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE
How did Mythical magical Noah manage to find and care for the hundreds of thousands of parasitic species or the hundreds of thousands of plant species? (Plants are ignored in the Genesis account, but the animals wouldn’t last long if the plants died in the flood.) No, wait, don’t tell me, a miracle happened, millions of them.
flumoxed2 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE
All of the animals boarded the ark “in the selfsame day” (Genesis 7:13-14).
Since there were several million species involved, they must have boarded at a rate of at least 100 per second. How did poor Noah and his family make sure that the correct number of each species entered through the door and then get them all settled into their proper living quarters so efficiently?
I wish the airline companies could do as well!
flumoxed2 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE
The flood covered the highest mountain tops (Mount Everest?) with fifteen cubits to spare (Genesis 7:20). Where did all the water come from? Where did it all go? Why is there no evidence of such a massive flood in the geological record?
Noah kills the “clean beasts” and burns their bodies for God (Genesis 8:20). According to Genesis 7:8 this would have caused the extinction of all “clean” animals since only 2 of each were taken onto the ark.
We still have “clean” animals?
flumoxed2 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE
When the animals left the ark (Genesis 8:19), what would they have eaten? There would have been no plants after the ground had been submerged for nearly a year.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone extinct. And how did the New World primates or the Australian marsupials find there way back after the flood subsided?
gee, this 'creationism. you claim exists is full of holes,
flumoxed2 1 year ago
chcuk norris built the ark but gave creadet to this pussy nowa
l4dlovemaker2000 1 year ago
@l4dlovemaker2000 Chuck never knew how to spell mount ararat or where it is.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@Malignis The found jelly babies in the empty tomb!
stinkylettuce 1 year ago
Why is not a single wild animal listed, if all the world was referred to? Why is not a single country or land outside that region mentioned? The Hebrew bible is the greatest example of perfect grammar and literary merit: one must take the most commonsense path for correct comprehension. Your reading renders the verse of Noah's possessions as superfluous - roof it is the wrong reading.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE Genesis 7:21 specifies that all animals wild and domestic died. The bible is full of grammatical, translation, historical and factual inaccuracies. These stories may be based on regional events but the stories tell of worldwide and total ones. You sir are incorrect.
SPACKlick 1 year ago
@SPACKlick The pivotal, operative factors are no wild animals are listed; no lands outside the region are mentioned. There are no anomalies in the Hebrew bible. Of note, despite containing millions of numbers throughout its verses, not a single mathematical error exists. Its writings are cherished and used by the greatest writers and poets. Grammaticaly, it employs the shoretst distance between two words - the mark of perfect writings. Historically identifiable rivers & mounts are introduced.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE No animals are listed at all, only types of animal, but in genesis 7:21 specifies in the hebrew domestic animals and wild beats ll perished in the flood. As for mathematical errors I'll simply point ot the round table with pi=3. The geography is not perfect for if you look at the exodus the route and the timings simply do not match up to the number of peoples involved,
The bible speaks of a worldwide flood, covering ALL the earth and it is in this case as in other wrong.
SPACKlick 1 year ago
@SPACKlick Many domestic animals are listed, both clean [consumable; kosher] and non-clean [beasts of burden]. Tigers, crocs, bears - these are not listed. If you were told to take your possessions and household and get on the train because a flood is coming - would you include polar bears and butterflies? Ridiculously, millions of wondrous stats are ignored which are unequalled in any writings, and a few FX items are obsessed with.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE Please give reference to the version of the bible and verses in which animals are listed. Also tell me why Gen 7:21 does not mean to you that all wild beasts perished in the flood. The bible has many errors but if you wish to point to one or two specifically wonderous statements I'd be pleased to see them for I have never seen one.
The point in the ones that are focussed on is they are clear and unquestionable errors, which refutes an inerrant bible.
SPACKlick 1 year ago
@SPACKlick Only Noah's household is called upon: 7/1 And the LORD said unto Noah: 'Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before Me in this generation.
Only domestic animals in Noah's household are listed [domestic cattle & fowl]: 6/20 Of the fowl after their kind, and of the cattle after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind. [In this ancient times, creeping things were consumed].
You have not pointed out any errors.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE 7:21 specifically refers to all animals wild and domestic being killed, not just domestic. The text in the bible speaks of a flood covering all the lands, and killing all the people and all the animals, your position is inconsistent and flawed.
SPACKlick 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE In Genesis 7:4, god says, "and every living substance that I have made I will destroy off the face of the earth." No where does it specify only domestic animals. No where does it imply just the area local to Noah will be destroyed. It says, "every living substance".
Genesis 7:21 says, "And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, amd every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man."
Ever read that book of yours?
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE And it's clear dietary laws and restrictions were already in place since "both clean and unclean" animals were collected. They didn't eat "creeping things", only that which was deemed clean.
Seriously, you've got to do better than that.
ciaochowbella 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE No animals are listed at all, only types of animal, but in genesis 7:21 specifies in the hebrew domestic animals and wild beats ll perished in the flood. As for mathematical errors I'll simply point ot the round table with pi=3. The geography is not perfect for if you look at the exodus the route and the timings simply do not match up to the number of peoples involved,
The bible speaks of a worldwide flood, covering ALL the earth and it is in this case as in other wrong.
SPACKlick 1 year ago
@SPACKlick @SPACKlick 7.21 refers to earth, not all earth, namely the region in context. Obviously, all life in the region perished, including wild animals in this region - but none outside this region, and while historically identifiable locations are listed, none outside the region are named.
ANALOGY. If today we report all the earth was flooded - does it include the moon also? No, yet in 5000 years from now, we will inhabit the moon. The Noah report is 5000 years old: Moscow never exsted
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE The moon will never be "the world". "world" has and always will refer to the planet we live on.
Khyrid 1 year ago
@SPACKlick The Exodus route is not yet known. But there is no question a large group of Israelites were in Egypt, then migrated to Canaan, and held sovereign rule there till Rome's invasion. See 3,500 year old Egyptian stelle mentioning a war with "ISRAEL". The most astounding math is seen in the Hebrew bible: that the 10 Commandments were given on a saturday ['Remember "THIS" day as the sabbath] - it matches the entire 3000 year calendar of millions of dates and numbers in the fve books.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@SPACKlick All animals with the proviso of Noah's household and possessions [the text]. The poor comprehension you display needs help.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
If they can have a bag of holding, then why didn't they make the totally obvious reference! They had an excellent opportunity to mention it and permanently brand themselves as total nerds, and they passed it up! The bag of holding is not good enough
:P
Plausiblesarge 1 year ago
Such an annoying drone of a voice...
mehashi 1 year ago
Noah's text speaks of a regional flood only, The animals were domestic ['Noah's possessions - the text]. No wild animals are mentioned. The point of all the world was flooded means this is how it appeared to the people: Tasmania never existed at this time.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE Show me where the text mentions a regional flood.
SPACKlick 1 year ago
@SPACKlick The term 'regional' did not exist then. But the text limits to Noah's possessions & household only, the sites mentioned [Mount Ararat] align with its regional bounderies only. Of course, at this time there was no such thing as 'global' in any case - most of the continents we know today never existed as inhabited places. The Noah writings bear astonishing historical & mathematical credibility even outside of the size of the flood, and cannot be regarded myth. No global reports exist.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE "all the people of the earth" were killed by the flood. Noah was commanded to take "every kibd" of the animals listed. and the flood was to kill "every living creature [God had] made" "all creatures that have the breath of life in them" entered the ark. "all the high mountains on the earth were covered". "everything that had lived on dry land died.
These are not selective or regional statemnets but absolutes encompassing the whole earth. Bible is GLOBAL FLOOD, you are wrong.
SPACKlick 1 year ago
@SPACKlick And all the earth was that region only. All the animals were Noah's domestic animals - no other animals are listed - thus it cannot be read as all global animals. The [regional] mountains were covered; the earth refers to regional land only, not all lands; no other lands were known to this people. The absolutes are limited to the region only. Of note, Egypt and Cush are not mentioned, negating any global premises. The boat rested at the end in a nearby mount of the region.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE Find one historical example of "all things on the earth" being used to refer to a small region of the earth in another text to support your case or admit that the story, which is probably BASED on a regional event has been expanded to cover the entire earth.
SPACKlick 1 year ago
@SPACKlick You make a good factor of reasoning. This must be researched.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@SPACKlick 'every kid' - from Noah's household. 'all the people of earth' refers to the earth of that region. 'Which God had made' means all life was made by God. These are not absolutes, you are mis-reading what earth means: consider all the earth of Japan? There is not a single word which points to wild animals or a country outside the region! A rainbow is not seen all over the world but only in one region at any given time.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE "'Which God had made' means all life was made by God." Yes, and since ALL th life which god had made was killed by the flood it must have been worldwide.
Also as for your lack of regional language consider the plagues of egypt, Every first born son IN EGYPT was killed the waters of THE NILE were turned to blood EX7:19 Everyhere in the land of Egypt the waters will turn to blood.
It refers to frogs across the entire land of the pharoah. Regional language existed.
SPACKlick 1 year ago
I love contentious calls and that is indeed why I kept watching the show.
HRRyan2 1 year ago
I have no idea what that guy was ranting about.
superwowie111 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@superwowie111 You must be a fucking moron then!
stiv70 1 year ago
Dangerous concept.
seeqer66 1 year ago
shouldnt this dude just email them this stuff. instead of reading the whole thing.
880330145789 1 year ago
How did I know that Martin Wagner played role playing games...
instereovideos 1 year ago
He started off strong, with entertainment, but then ruined it with his "short" speech.
YetAnthony 1 year ago
Many minutes of bullshit. Make sure you don't fall asleep. Watch TV while listening.
MagnusRulerHardt 1 year ago
Tl; dl
Annulable 1 year ago
@Malignis it didnt float, just made a grating sound, then dissappeared. the dove flew out, saw the time vortex, and came back glowing.
850kell531 1 year ago
Urgh. When will he stop talkinnnnggg/preaching. :/
Raherin 1 year ago
This caller makes me want to convert to theism.
BrokenBassBin 1 year ago
does anyone know what channel is this on directTV?
i would love to watch this
NOVAGIRL666 2 years ago
Bag of holding. Or Captain Caveman`s hair, he pulls everything out of there lol.
or maybe the Ark was like Dr. WHO`s TARDIS, bigger on the inside, lol.
peteq1972 2 years ago 6
Damn, that's one good call.
SexyMelon 2 years ago
I stuck my finger in the light socket, when I was a small child, and let me tell you...
Energy IS what people call 'God'. Does it care about you? Nope. Does it have the power to create things? Yup. Can it hurt you? Absolutely. Does it do all of this consciously? Not at all!
Peace
LordBLB 2 years ago 87
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@LordBLB "Energy IS what people call 'God'. Does it care about you? Nope. Does it have the power to create things? Yup. Can it hurt you? Absolutely. Does it do all of this consciously? Not at all!"
then why bother calling it "god" at all? Why bother elevating such a natural force to the status of deity?
stiimuli 1 year ago
Is there a boner in Blake's mouth?
johnd94 2 years ago
More like fuck up the world
lolol3121 2 years ago
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iiiiblaze 2 years ago
I am an atheist. My previous comment was against religious people
lolol3121 2 years ago
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Theists FTW!!
CirnoPreacher94040 2 years ago
way to raise the par for theists.....instead of giving a reason just say it louder :) lol Its not like theists need a par raising.....right?
boorens18 2 years ago 3
I hate when people read out this shit have conversation when reads it out like that I don't know if it is his ideas.
bumfire007 2 years ago
That caller is reading that. He is about 23 years old. His opinions will change drastically after his... I better not say.
xvirg 2 years ago
Yeah I kind of got the same vibe too. The way he is saying it denotes that he is reading from a page because he wrote something to tell and he thinks it is very important. Also, the way that he thinks it is important lets us know that he is very involved in it now but the fire may die down later. He will either become a more relaxed atheist or convert.
PillsC2E 2 years ago
Blah blah blah. Next caller!!!!
Domzdream 2 years ago 6
@Domzdream Yeah, dude. He's a loser. He obviously wrote that and then read it to them.
righteousrat 1 year ago
the "why don't we die when the sun goes down" call was hilarious and also depressing.
sorrysonofa 2 years ago 2
hey,
this is pretty interesting
not dissing this or anything i promise
but i was interested and i started to question how all the animals fit so i started doing some research and here is what i found to prove that the animals fit
if you search this on you tube :How Did All The Animals Fit On The Ark? and the account should be by ExamineTheEvidence
thats how i know that they could fit,
yeah so thats just to expand on this :)
cya
kaykrytal 2 years ago
my god shut up blake
7StoryMagnet 2 years ago 6
ha ha ha 3 phone lines...and yet they reach thousands of people.
Internet, have I ever told you I love you?
lycurgusthelawgiver 2 years ago 3
he needed to shut the fuck up!
evilsanta1989 2 years ago 3
lol pink unicorn to candy mountain... CHARLIEEEEEE :D
XainSF 2 years ago 2
HAHAHAHHA XD!!!!!!!
oratadin 2 years ago
I agree with what the caller was saying but he could've emailed that statement.
I started accidentally tuning him out because there was no dialogue. I understand why he did that and I could even see myself accidentally making that mistake
He's just too overwhelmed by the ignorance that he sees. But still, whew, I feel embarrassed for the guy.
JrobHartley 2 years ago
black hole vortex? and people where afraid that CERN with its LHC would make one....
anyway back t o the caller.... he should start preaching.... i guess writing it on forums wasn't good enough for him
robinvan1983 3 years ago
someone should tell the caller to STFU
MarcusTheReverent 3 years ago 4
I have never in my life heard someone read so badly.
nicksum29 3 years ago
who's reading badly,and what does that have anything to do with the important subject being discussed?
sillysylviesly 2 years ago 2
I dont put much stock in the claim that religion makes people credulous. Ive heard many Atheist make this claim I believe you caller was reading from Dawkins god delusion. At best its an untested hypothesis. To me it seems that it is the other way around makes more sense, that is naturally credulous people become religious. People need to reevaluate evangelizing atheism to the extent they believe it is for altruist means.
cdog4100 3 years ago
Actually, at "best" - from the perspective of the believer - it's an untestable hypothesis. Usually, however, it's an eminently testable hypothesis that is trivially shown false.
PedanticTwit 3 years ago
I should clarify what I meant by it. By it I mean the suggestion that religion makes people foolish/gullible is an untested hypothesis. I don't think this is the case.
cdog4100 3 years ago 2
Ah, I see what you mean.
In that case, I'll say that people are generally credulous. If you add to their natural credulity the idea that certain things should be accepted without supporting evidence or other justification, then they are _definitionally_ more credulous than otherwise.
PedanticTwit 3 years ago
i got bored as hell ...
gencoss 3 years ago 2
This caller had some good points, but he was really hogging the show's time. I wonder how long it took him to write his message.
jvondd 3 years ago 2