a bit of a hole in your armors guys when you go and lower yourself to praise Cena. "oh that's not his fault! oh he bust his ass!". really guy? are you gay for him?
actually the 18-34 demo stopped watching wwe loooong before it went pg because austin and rock had left and those r the only 2 guys they wanted to see basically.
Funny you mention Bischoff and Twitter, because I have talked to Taz on a few occasions and he has this opinion that what I think doesn't matter because I am not running the organization. HELLO? Who is the guy watching your show? I swear I skip through all of Impact every week and most of RAW and SD except when AJ or Danielson or Joe or anybody GOOD is on the show.
See... you still gotta build star's if these young guys like AJ was being put over Hogan or Flair in a one on one match with a lot of hype built up to it than AJ would be a bigger draw and bigger star .
Put the young guys over the veterans and than get rid of the veteran's when the young guys are ready to lead the company.
TNA is not really putting young guys tho that's the problem and TNA is no longer promoting there real young talent , they keep promoting old guys which turns people away .
@GeeeRiff That is not that easy. It is a matter of Charisma. Will the fans accept all the new guys. For Example, - I am a wrestling Fan since 1988 and I want to see old guys and new guys. I'm not willing to accept a guy like Jay Lethal as the new Superstar. He can beat Ric Flair 1000 times, but that doesn't make him the new Ric Flair.
@Konni1969 Your right but when a new generation comes theres no point of bringing in washed up wrestlers just to keep old fans interested , there is a time when u need to build a young fresh new star for a new generation
@GeeeRiff If it was so easyto be succesful maybe you should create your own wrestling company. By the way, - who will build the young, fresh star and who is going to bring them over????? There is always a place for the old guys. You are just thinking black and white. I guess it is because you are yourself under 20 and never felt the magic of the old days when one guy raised the roof just by shaking the ropes.
eric bichoff can't draw ratings anymore. flair and hogan can't draw ratings hogaqn and flair are broke that is why these old guys in 60's are there. hogan and flair are doing nothing to improve ratings ppv buyrates they are joke.
@thewcwguy Angle can still put on the best matches in the industry. He is still in shape, and he can keep up so I would let him be. Its people like Sting who have to cover up themselves with a shirt and Nash who needs a walker to get down to the ring.
These guys are 100% right, Bischoff doesnt know the business. Hogan has never known the business and Russo hasnt got a fucking clue.
Bill and Doug keep making it sound bad to have veteran's in wrestling but they keep forgetting that Angle is a veteran so in my opinion is that you can have veteran's as long as they can still deliver in the ring .
"Dixie Carter has got great news for us, all! She's signed 'em, all to contracts!: :) ... NO!?... No!!!... We already have so many veterans there & then you're going to take all these guys that arn't even the equivilent of 3 of your young guys! Just keep 'em all off the stage!...".
@tthomaselli2 I mean tna was million times better 1.5 ratings decent ppvs buyrates etc in 2004-2007 when it was about roh turned tna wrestlers x divison wrestlers aj styles vs joe vs daniels shelly vs williams i mean hogan and bischoff's are hurting tna not helping.
It all depends on who you ask.; The way I see it, I'm better off watching TNA & ROH because unlike WWE, those 2 havn't jumped the shark & changed their rating & targeted an all-new demographic by going TV-PG.
@TheFunkyDomination I would say if tnaq would fired hogan and flair and old wwf guys. focus on x divison x divison matches aj styles vs joe hire back daniels back put on great x divison matches that made them tna on map.
Thing is I want to see Ric Flair, Maybe not wrestle but in a manager role. Not get rid of him completly. This is stupid. When I think of wrestling I think of Flair,Hogan as well as some newer guys.
Getting rid of them would be stupid. Some veterns are stupid, like Nasty Boys etc.
"Honestly, I respect John Cena.; I really do. I think that guy has given everything to the company that he can give, he's taken all the heat in the world & he still goes out there.".; I thought you guys didn't like him???
its former WWE guys like Christian, Ken, Kurt, even RVD and Jeff that help the TNA guys come up. The guys from the 80s don't work anymore because they are to old and can't work in the fast paced TNA style.
<3'd the point about orton. i never saw the point for his psycho act when he became a face character either. it's pretty stupid for the funs to cheer for it ^^. on the good side though i got into roh by checking out a vid of kenny omega doing a hadou-like finisher just outta curiosity & by way of that saw some eye opening talent.+ i'm glad that i caught the shelton & haas debut(missed that team for sure)btw, nexus, even as an angle, does indeed suck
Haha it's funny how people can just find exuses to thumb down a video from were Bill and Doug have said something different in the past and then complain. Why can't people just know what someone is experiencing from the product they support and respect peoples opinions. It's a shame people can be overly critical to call these two "posers". I mean seriously. That's going too far. Why do people act like this? Is it puberty? Brainwashing? Dunno what the fuck I'm talking about now.
@compliancecenter They're here to talk about mistakes TNA and WWE have made. That's it. If you can't understand the purpose of their vid's then don't watch them.
wat i like in pro wrestling is x division type matches like in wsx high flying action intense storylines very good buildups young talent good matches no more 50 yr olds no pg heel cena christian getting a push cm punk getting a push
ok doug i understand at wat ur trying to get out hopefully but when u say "shouldnt we be more focused on what we do on impact than how we build our ppv?",, shouldnt we build our ppvs on impact?????
jeff hardy being fat LOL. Yeah he is gettin out off shape. You know a good storyline for fourtine would to attack kevin nash, sting and all the veterens and keep them off tv
@Trademark629 Bischoff has no clue how to run a wrestling company yet until this day he is the only man to lay claim to beating Vince McMahon for about 2 years. And if you all quit being such marks, you'd realize that he didn't insult you or the internet.
No , the basic's have not changed in the business . LOL ratings been important since the monday night war . wcwhad brett hart also. jarret can still go . gimmicks also entertain us tho dont forget . some of these young guys who have talent are still not over or ready yet . gen me are not booked properly . if you dont like the current TNA product than why watch ? reaction is probably for BFG and will probably leave after that. Kurt is a veteran? should he leave?
yep. and message for eric bischoff: the last time he became obsessed with ratings instead of great performance (when wcw was winning the ratings war) you fell apart. so dont make the mistake again bischoff. idiot!
Good news is Bischoff and Hogan's contract is up in 3 months, Kevin Nash will be gone after Bound for Glory, Team 3d is gone already, and Sting is probably leaving soon too. The vets are leaving for good very shortly
I think i have to agree with you guys about Cena, yeah it isnt his fault.. Its Vince's.. hes controlling the company and running it into the ground. Cena is a good guy who has 100% passion for what he loves to do. Bishoff on the other hand is making TNA look bad and he's stiring up something he might not wantto stir. one thing i have to say is that we are over 100% of the fan base of wrestling..
@CommissionerSpanky what do you mean 'when it was cool'. i'm pretty sure they were into TNA when it was about good wrestling and not jerkoff ric and hogan showing up every week with 30 minute promos about alzheimers and the dangers of wrestling with a plastic hip.
the only thing they said about ROH was that the lack of a TV deal made it worthless in comparison to TNA/WWE. well guess what, since then they have acquired a TV deal. idiot.
Just thought you guys would appreciate this. I just posted on Bischoffs wall on Facebook about getting rid of the older guys so we can see the future and have what TNA should be and that we dont need him....he deleted my post lol
@ryan61874 Last time I checked, Fortune, Pope, Anderson,Hardy were all being pushed well by TNA. All of those guys are young. If you think the vets are the biggest or sole problem in TNA, then you are sadly mistaken.
@kob456 so you think that Hulk Hogan and eric arent making themselves to be the biggest thing in wrestling? They are the problem because so many worthless wrestlers are brought in by them...also notice how on your list apart from fortune they are all already made stars from wwe...time to build their own stars like before!
@ryan61874 Worthlelss wrestlers like who? What worthless wrestlers did Hogan & EB bring to TNA that r currently on the roster? AJ, Kaz, James Storm Robert Roode, Morgan, Hernandez, and The Pope are all young guys and are not WWE created and are all receiving decent pushes. Hardy himself is a guy that TNA invested in early back in 2004-2006, so even he's not quite WWE made IMO. He's a product of both WWE/TNA IMO.
"well rvdtito did say they were pro-wrestling fans. they will follow the company that is doing things right. they would follow the company that stands out from the others. in other words BANDWAGONERS!! lol"
@CommissionerSpanky Can opinions not change? Can people not develope their tastes and mature over time? So what if they didn't like it before but now like it, why does that matter and how does it make them posers and where is the hypocrissy in any of this. And I don't recall them ever saying that they liked ROH from the beginning. Why idiotic comments like yours get high ratings, I'll never know.
Tna though I still watch it really been dissapointing. The fact that Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff "Were suppose to help TNA" When TNA has gone nowhere since they have been there. They could atleast give us fans who have been loyal to them atleast a decent x division. God Bischoff is a hypocrite with the whole "The X division is the adrenaline of TNA" Yeah where is the X division?. Seen more X division when the whole Main Event Mafia crap was going on. But as for the WWE goes they have no balls.
Linda Mcmahon owns the balls of the WWE. Even if and she should lose the WWE will probably keep being PG because of how bad they would look if they all the sudden changed after she lost.
@CommissionerSpanky well rvdtito did say they were pro-wrestling fans. they will follow the company that is doing things right. they would follow the company that stands out from the others. in other words BANDWAGONERS!! lol is that a word? mayb? and TNA is fucking boring. i hate Jay Lethal. i hate sting. i hate this ECW i always hated hulk hogan. i fucking cant stand eric bitchoff lol. fuck this show. The orton and cena match yesterday topped anything TNA has done this year.
@CommissionerSpanky Well. ROH did NOT have an HDNET deal, so the only way to follow them was via DVD. Idk the backyard fed ref. How are they acting like they've been fans from the beggining? Who cares about T shirts. TNA was never "the cool" thing to like, incase you havent noticed, the TNA of today and TNA of 05-07 was COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! Duh
I tried to watch Raw the other day. It made no sense and it was boring. So wwe fans I have tried to watch it. I have REALLY tried but just too boring to me.
So you have a problem with Wade's finisher? Can somebody remind me what Hulk Hogan's finisher is? And what John Cena's is? (both of whom are sadly iconic of two eras, but they got over). And imo daniel bryan/bd is still the best wrestler in the world, despite the WWE "handcuffs". Give me another example, by all means.
imo this is the order of promotions:
1) ROH
2) WWE
3) TNA- that's because every time I've watched it, with the exception of the Whole F'N show, its been horseshit.
@EternalDeathSavior Who the fuck said for a show to be good it needs to be m-14 or higher? stop judging this fucking show by it's tv classification. It's wrestling 'fans' like you who make me sick not Cena loving kids but those inbred rednecks who consider it a 'bad' show when they don't see their blood.
@ROHFutureOfWrestling It's not just that. The fact that Vince Mcmahon says that the they are with the times. Last time I seen tv that is not the times. And the fact that he thinks being pg is the right thing to be. When in fact the attitude era saved his company which was dying and being destroyed by WCW. And by the way. It's fake ROH fans who make me sick because if you are such a ROH fan you would be against WWE because it is what ROH is 100% against. So before judging me look at yourself.
@EternalDeathSavior So to be a real ROH fan you have to hate the WWE? That's so stupid, it's not even funny. PG is nothing but a couple of letters, pro wrestling is still pro wrestling. So when the WWE remained TV-14 after the late 90's early 2000's, was it still good? The attitude era really brainwashed you pretty good.
@steeltownbrown52 No no no, The problem is, The WWE is blatant in being pg. You know they at one time were blatant in being too springer like at one time. The WWE sold out only because of Linda Mcmahon. See the WWE is too extreme in their quest in being for the kids. They could be PG and cater to the die hard wrestling fan BUT they are blatantly catering to the kids, And Vince Mcmahon has even admited that. I am not saying you cannot be both an ROH and WWE fan.
I am saying that the ROH is everything against the WWE stands for. Be what you want, Just that it makes no sense. Especially if you down TNA, Drangonsgate and so forth.
@EternalDeathSavior I don't look at ROH and WWE for their subject matter. They're both pro wrestling companies. Pro wrestling is for all ages(just like it says on my ROH ticket). And that's what the attitude era did to the youth then, brainwashed them into thinking that pro wrestling is supposed to be for only teens and adults portraying shock value. Also, today's fan just wants something to blame cause it's not the attitude era anymore. Today it's "TV-PG", yesterday it was Cena-hate.
@steeltownbrown52 No it's the fact that no matter what direction wwe goes they have fallowers. It's the fact that they think just because the wwe is doing it causes them to come to the conclusion that the WWE is "with the times" When in fact I don't see how a pg revolution is going on. Ok fine wwe is pg BUT instead of trying to promote themselves to the wrestling fan who wants to see a good match they promote themselves to children and they will change again.
Plus Linda is running for as a republican and that party is all about morals and so forth. around the time they went PG. So in essence it's all about the WWE doing it for votes and so forth The WWE only gets support from mostly kids and those who will never give up on them no matter what they do.
ROH is a joke and their shows are low-budget, low-talent crap. They have a handful of good talents (Kenny King, Erik Stevens and Chris Hero) but they are dropping the ball because they're all stuck in tag-teams.
wow man all this bill and doug guys do is complain about pro wrestling in every videos. If you dont enjoy it dont watch it you morons so you wont waste 40minutes of ur life.
At 9:12 he says, "No one pays to see those people in the ring." Is he honestly saying no one would pay to see Foley, Austin, Nash, Hogan, Roddy Piper, and any other veteran you can mention? Well, the "casual" fan definitely isn't going to pay top dollar to see unestablished names like Beer Money, MMG, Lethal, Kaz, Styles, etc... Those guys are a lot better wrestlers, true, but with no name recognition it is more closely related to a company like ROH, and every company can't be a pseudo-ROH.
I don't get what all the bitching is about with the vets. The vets are no longer in the main event/world title picture with the exception of Kurt Angle. Pope.Anderson/Hardy r all young. Sting/Nash/Jarrett have their own program going on and I'm intrigued. Really there 4 so many issues with TNA but all I ever hear is bitching about vets. Vets aren't the problem. Sting, Jarrett, & Nash were in TNA in 2004-2006 and main eventing and you had no problem with TNA back then. They aren't the issue.
@kob456 You're right, it seems like they want every wrestling company to hire wrestlers between 20-35 years old and thats it. Plus, if they would stop watching it, they wouldn't have anything to complain about for forty minutes.
if Flair wasnt in Fourtune, theyd job all the time.. i honestly think the only reason the vets havent totally screwed the TNA guys over is because Flair is there.. i think he really does care about the young guys.. hes doing for AJ what he did for Orton and Batista.. thats more then Hogan ever did for anybody..
echoing what someone commented on one of your recent videos ROH for me is good enough to pass an hour when you watch it and you can see the potential yes definitely but it just seems to lack something unexplainable. it just doesn't really draw you back to watch it next week plus its a pain in the arss having to watch it on some random you tube channel (we don't get hdfightnet in the uk), I dunno maybe the pay per views are allot better than the weekly show.
I think if it wernt for CM Punk coming to WWE and winning the World title, then the other Indie guys prolly wouldnt that much of a chance like Kaval, Danielson
@24varner Yes, I have a silver ball.... on the tip of my cane and I will let you wear lipstick, eyeliner, and any kind of color bandana you want to wear and I will make you
get out in the public and give me my $75 or I will slap the shit out of you...reply youtube style!
I think ROH is pro wrestling's last hope, because TNA is not changing and not listening to the fans. Other than pro wrestling, MMA is where it's at now. Paul Heyman is jumping on the MMA bandwagon now.
once again, good job on talking about the business of pro wrestling. Doug, you are right on the money about WCW taking Hall and Nash and other former WWE wrestlers and trying to become WWE II on TNT. Bischoff obviously had help with Time Warner on bringing those guys to WCW.
today's era is messed up. they say that edge and christan weren't brothers but were just friends. nowadays they char's background stories dont coencide with the way they were back than.
@truewarriorwithpride on the show in the beginng their charcters were brothers and they were a great tag-team most wwe fans no nothing about wwf and how badly they are making jericho look from undisputed champion to a crybaby?
@OLDYOUTH i used to enjoy watching jericho back when he was in ECW and WCW and now its like wtf happened. edge and christan were a great tag team and if the creative team an ounce of a brain as a collective unit they would put them as a team again so edge can get out of the wwe/whc title spotlight. same with orton and cena need to get out of the wwe/whc title spotlight.
@truewarriorwithpride but he was great in wwf until new writers took over now he looks terrible maybe nitro would make a good champ don't know anyone else that is good in wwe . and most of the divas have no wrestling skill. and that double women title is to copy tna beautiful people
@OLDYOUTH i agree with you with nitro being champ. he can put on in my opinion a good match. as for the divas, thats a whole other things. trish and lita knew what they were doing and now with the divas they have now are just there for looks and thats it. with lacool they are more annoying than anything. are they supposed to be like high school valley girls with no acting skills because that's how they are. i just hope they dont fuck over kaval cause he is a good wrestler.
1) Bischoff is a ignorant twat so his words mean nothing to me he long ago lost any credibility much like vince russo, vince mcmahon, and even jim cornette to a degree
2) TNA seems to be improving last sunday's ppv was good and i think tonight's impact will be a good follow up
3) GBH IX will probably be a good ppv but I will admit I'm a little tired of all the over hype it's getting
4) Ratings=nothing it doesn't reflect enjoyment or lack thereof
Great video guys. 1 suggestion, could you split this video and ones like it up? I don't want to interrupt your train of thought but if you could just edit it into like 2 or 3 parts it would make it much easier to watch. It is hard for your demographic to find 40 minutes to sit down and watch a vid :)
@beasttubbs What a load of horse shit. So you're implying that the whole of their 'audience' have ADD or lack the ability to hold their attention for 40 mins?
There is a PAUSE button and you can skip foward to any point in the video.
@venger Can you calm down real quick? Thanks. No I wasn't saying that everyone that watches bill and doug has ADD. I really don't know where you got that idea. I was simply suggesting that by spliting the video up into parts they might get more views because it would be easier to watch. I'm part of the demographic I was reffering to. I know I'm busy and I was "implying" that other people have busy lives. If you were offended by that, then something is wrong with you. Let's not bicker
It's sad seeing Bill and Doug suck ROH's dick like this. They're no doubt the most entertaining shooters on YouTube by a long way but this whole 'ROH is the future' thing is a joke. It was good with TNA because TNA was awesome - ROH isn't. It's as if they're trying to convince themselves that ROH is good but can't quite, but they still make videos of it.
they way that TNA lets WWE rejects just walk straight through the front door to their company automatically lowers their worth, they shud have to actually work and prove themselves to get given a chance in TNA
ppl who just started hating cena in the last few yrs are just following a crowd
martinjamesglasgow 2 weeks ago
rvdtito4life- What's the logo on Doug's hat?
tthomaselli2 6 months ago
@tthomaselli2 Dallas Cowboys.
vivalaestero 2 months ago in playlist More videos from rvdtito4life
a bit of a hole in your armors guys when you go and lower yourself to praise Cena. "oh that's not his fault! oh he bust his ass!". really guy? are you gay for him?
skinwalkerxxx 9 months ago
v I like the way that guy spells "retarded" v
Nessrox444 11 months ago
the guy on the left is one retarted son of a bitch
TanmanM99 11 months ago
@TanmanM99 Says the guy who cant even spell retarded. OWNED!!
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actually the 18-34 demo stopped watching wwe loooong before it went pg because austin and rock had left and those r the only 2 guys they wanted to see basically.
Ratmann3684 1 year ago
Hardcore justice was voted worst ppv of the year 2010
kingmula2 1 year ago
@kingmula2
im not sure that hardcore justice was worse than summerslam 2010 or wwe over the limit 2010 OR tna turning point 2919
THANK GOD that wwe has somewhat improved since the sumer of 2010
TNA has just gotten worse
mania17austin 1 year ago
It was voted that by PWR
kingmula2 1 year ago
Funny you mention Bischoff and Twitter, because I have talked to Taz on a few occasions and he has this opinion that what I think doesn't matter because I am not running the organization. HELLO? Who is the guy watching your show? I swear I skip through all of Impact every week and most of RAW and SD except when AJ or Danielson or Joe or anybody GOOD is on the show.
3timeMVPNash 1 year ago 3
hip-hop's dead and so is professional wrestling.
deathlockish 1 year ago 2
Well, the magic I was talking about wasn't 8 Years ago.
Konni1969 1 year ago
eric bischoff is a huge douche in real life what a prick
76e76r9176er961r 1 year ago
What's got Bishoffs hair to do with the problems of todays wrestling.
Konni1969 1 year ago
See... you still gotta build star's if these young guys like AJ was being put over Hogan or Flair in a one on one match with a lot of hype built up to it than AJ would be a bigger draw and bigger star .
Put the young guys over the veterans and than get rid of the veteran's when the young guys are ready to lead the company.
TNA is not really putting young guys tho that's the problem and TNA is no longer promoting there real young talent , they keep promoting old guys which turns people away .
GeeeRiff 1 year ago
@GeeeRiff That is not that easy. It is a matter of Charisma. Will the fans accept all the new guys. For Example, - I am a wrestling Fan since 1988 and I want to see old guys and new guys. I'm not willing to accept a guy like Jay Lethal as the new Superstar. He can beat Ric Flair 1000 times, but that doesn't make him the new Ric Flair.
Konni1969 1 year ago
@Konni1969 Your right but when a new generation comes theres no point of bringing in washed up wrestlers just to keep old fans interested , there is a time when u need to build a young fresh new star for a new generation
GeeeRiff 1 year ago
@GeeeRiff If it was so easyto be succesful maybe you should create your own wrestling company. By the way, - who will build the young, fresh star and who is going to bring them over????? There is always a place for the old guys. You are just thinking black and white. I guess it is because you are yourself under 20 and never felt the magic of the old days when one guy raised the roof just by shaking the ropes.
Konni1969 1 year ago
@Konni1969 i am under the age of 20 and i did feel the magic ....... when i was like 12 or 5 LOL
GeeeRiff 1 year ago
eric bichoff can't draw ratings anymore. flair and hogan can't draw ratings hogaqn and flair are broke that is why these old guys in 60's are there. hogan and flair are doing nothing to improve ratings ppv buyrates they are joke.
MrDivalover1 1 year ago
Get D mORE AND konnan iback n tna.
lodirulez2335 1 year ago
but what about veterans like Kurt Angle ? Not every veteran is that bad to keep going with there career
thewcwguy 1 year ago
@thewcwguy Angle can still put on the best matches in the industry. He is still in shape, and he can keep up so I would let him be. Its people like Sting who have to cover up themselves with a shirt and Nash who needs a walker to get down to the ring.
These guys are 100% right, Bischoff doesnt know the business. Hogan has never known the business and Russo hasnt got a fucking clue.
gbanger666 1 year ago
@gbanger666 EXSACLY MY POINT !!!
Bill and Doug keep making it sound bad to have veteran's in wrestling but they keep forgetting that Angle is a veteran so in my opinion is that you can have veteran's as long as they can still deliver in the ring .
thewcwguy 1 year ago
1:59.; Bischoff's had the same hair-do & hair color since he lost to Eugene at 'WWE Taboo Tuesday 2004'. Times have changed!!!
tthomaselli2 1 year ago 3
14:37.; Of course it's 'generic crap', rvdtito4life. WWE's got all the original themes copy-righted, so, what more can they do?
tthomaselli2 1 year ago 9
"Dixie Carter has got great news for us, all! She's signed 'em, all to contracts!: :) ... NO!?... No!!!... We already have so many veterans there & then you're going to take all these guys that arn't even the equivilent of 3 of your young guys! Just keep 'em all off the stage!...".
Love that part.
tthomaselli2 1 year ago 18
@tthomaselli2 I mean tna was million times better 1.5 ratings decent ppvs buyrates etc in 2004-2007 when it was about roh turned tna wrestlers x divison wrestlers aj styles vs joe vs daniels shelly vs williams i mean hogan and bischoff's are hurting tna not helping.
MrDivalover1 1 year ago
@MrDivalover1
It all depends on who you ask.; The way I see it, I'm better off watching TNA & ROH because unlike WWE, those 2 havn't jumped the shark & changed their rating & targeted an all-new demographic by going TV-PG.
tthomaselli2 1 year ago
@tthomaselli2 I hear you and agree on that. I like x divison matches and tag team divisonm is great.
MrDivalover1 1 year ago
@MrDivalover1
Thank you.: :)
tthomaselli2 1 year ago
I bough the UFC 121 PPV. It was good
Brock got smashed up by Cain
Easy E is a fucktard. Hogan is a grade-A moron. He was a star, not a promoter, not a booker, just a star. He needs to get over themselves
The focus groups likes ECW even though the focus group was in Philly
TheFunkyDomination 1 year ago
@TheFunkyDomination I would say if tnaq would fired hogan and flair and old wwf guys. focus on x divison x divison matches aj styles vs joe hire back daniels back put on great x divison matches that made them tna on map.
MrDivalover1 1 year ago
Thing is I want to see Ric Flair, Maybe not wrestle but in a manager role. Not get rid of him completly. This is stupid. When I think of wrestling I think of Flair,Hogan as well as some newer guys.
Getting rid of them would be stupid. Some veterns are stupid, like Nasty Boys etc.
16TimeNatureBoyTV 1 year ago
dye your hair cuz your on tv? wtf? why. this is idiotic.
Thornaholic 1 year ago
"Honestly, I respect John Cena.; I really do. I think that guy has given everything to the company that he can give, he's taken all the heat in the world & he still goes out there.".; I thought you guys didn't like him???
tthomaselli2 1 year ago 3
@tthomaselli2 like and respect is totally different
TheFunkyDomination 1 year ago
@CommissionerSpanky
Try telling that to them, personally, Bro.; They have been fans for quite a while, as a matter of fact.
tthomaselli2 1 year ago 4
14:59-15:10.: :) .
tthomaselli2 1 year ago 4
@CommissionerSpanky
Try telling that tothem, personally, Bro.; They have been fans for quite a while, as a matter of fact.
tthomaselli2 1 year ago 4
Tell'em Natch Tell'em
KingKaysar 1 year ago
EV 2. NO
SupremeGor3 1 year ago
its former WWE guys like Christian, Ken, Kurt, even RVD and Jeff that help the TNA guys come up. The guys from the 80s don't work anymore because they are to old and can't work in the fast paced TNA style.
RustyTrombone 1 year ago
you guys are great, very insightful and entertaining, you say a lot of the same things me and my friends say.
TheGreenMark 1 year ago
I love this video
jon8342 1 year ago
@CommissionerSpanky key word 2 years ago
HolyMafiaLeader 1 year ago
<3'd the point about orton. i never saw the point for his psycho act when he became a face character either. it's pretty stupid for the funs to cheer for it ^^. on the good side though i got into roh by checking out a vid of kenny omega doing a hadou-like finisher just outta curiosity & by way of that saw some eye opening talent.+ i'm glad that i caught the shelton & haas debut(missed that team for sure)btw, nexus, even as an angle, does indeed suck
keimeira 1 year ago
You just can't finish a video without bashing WWE are you? If you don't like it don't watch it.. Simple as that..
roniboy987 1 year ago
i love ur show
ThaSpiderInternetsho 1 year ago
are u guys going 2 FInal Battle in ny on December 18 i know i iwll be there with my ROH shirt
ThaSpiderInternetsho 1 year ago
u bill and doug critics are jerks i bet u guys are wwe fans
jeffskid96 1 year ago
ROH/ UFC fanatics screaming about TNA???????????
Joeki11a 1 year ago
Haha it's funny how people can just find exuses to thumb down a video from were Bill and Doug have said something different in the past and then complain. Why can't people just know what someone is experiencing from the product they support and respect peoples opinions. It's a shame people can be overly critical to call these two "posers". I mean seriously. That's going too far. Why do people act like this? Is it puberty? Brainwashing? Dunno what the fuck I'm talking about now.
xDan92 1 year ago
@xDan92 Overly critical? If anyone's being "overly critical" it's these 2 D-Bags. They haven't even hit puberty yet.
compliancecenter 1 year ago
@compliancecenter They're here to talk about mistakes TNA and WWE have made. That's it. If you can't understand the purpose of their vid's then don't watch them.
xDan92 1 year ago
@xDan92 ignore him he just want attention
HolyMafiaLeader 1 year ago
sting nash and jarret and the ev 2.0 guys
dnt care about ruining their legacy
they jst care about getting paychecks
that we give them the money thru our ppv buys
SuperR1991 1 year ago
SuperR1991 1 year ago
tna ppv's need to be 15 bucks a month to start off.
they need a amazing website second of all.
its a new era
JOESGONNAKILLY0U 1 year ago
hahahaha Great video guys.. I only wish wwe and tna management watch yer videos.. I hope they do.
Keep up the great work.
jamietna1 1 year ago
good to talk to you at Glory By Honor Bill..
gilbertblaze 1 year ago
I have one question: Who wants Michael Cole to get fire?
comcast8HD 1 year ago
"dye your hair you're on TV".....LOL
Oozingmachismo24 1 year ago
I will definitly watch Glory By Honor. Will be my first RoH ppv.
Kontkaalnes 1 year ago
ok doug i understand at wat ur trying to get out hopefully but when u say "shouldnt we be more focused on what we do on impact than how we build our ppv?",, shouldnt we build our ppvs on impact?????
phenomenalclassic93 1 year ago
"Sting in the ring"... they make ointment for that.
SeenuhIsGawd 1 year ago
jeff hardy being fat LOL. Yeah he is gettin out off shape. You know a good storyline for fourtine would to attack kevin nash, sting and all the veterens and keep them off tv
kingmula2 1 year ago
Spot on, WWE sucks and Bischoff is a pig fucking hunk of shit.
OutForAMeal 1 year ago
eric bischoff is a fucking retard
kingofkings604 1 year ago
@Trademark629 Bischoff has no clue how to run a wrestling company yet until this day he is the only man to lay claim to beating Vince McMahon for about 2 years. And if you all quit being such marks, you'd realize that he didn't insult you or the internet.
kob456 1 year ago
GeeeRiff 1 year ago
yep. and message for eric bischoff: the last time he became obsessed with ratings instead of great performance (when wcw was winning the ratings war) you fell apart. so dont make the mistake again bischoff. idiot!
drhnotorious 1 year ago
@drhnotorious lol
wade's finisher is worse than cena's f-u
GeeeRiff 1 year ago
Good news is Bischoff and Hogan's contract is up in 3 months, Kevin Nash will be gone after Bound for Glory, Team 3d is gone already, and Sting is probably leaving soon too. The vets are leaving for good very shortly
TheWill1225 1 year ago
@TheWill1225 If you think like these guys in the video and think the veterans are the sole problem of TNA, then you are sadly mistaken.
kob456 1 year ago
I think i have to agree with you guys about Cena, yeah it isnt his fault.. Its Vince's.. hes controlling the company and running it into the ground. Cena is a good guy who has 100% passion for what he loves to do. Bishoff on the other hand is making TNA look bad and he's stiring up something he might not wantto stir. one thing i have to say is that we are over 100% of the fan base of wrestling..
HardcoreKatsu 1 year ago
@CommissionerSpanky what do you mean 'when it was cool'. i'm pretty sure they were into TNA when it was about good wrestling and not jerkoff ric and hogan showing up every week with 30 minute promos about alzheimers and the dangers of wrestling with a plastic hip.
the only thing they said about ROH was that the lack of a TV deal made it worthless in comparison to TNA/WWE. well guess what, since then they have acquired a TV deal. idiot.
asshowl 1 year ago
@asshowl its too bad that fcw doesn't train there student's to do high impact moves
GeeeRiff 1 year ago
Just thought you guys would appreciate this. I just posted on Bischoffs wall on Facebook about getting rid of the older guys so we can see the future and have what TNA should be and that we dont need him....he deleted my post lol
ryan61874 1 year ago
@ryan61874 Last time I checked, Fortune, Pope, Anderson,Hardy were all being pushed well by TNA. All of those guys are young. If you think the vets are the biggest or sole problem in TNA, then you are sadly mistaken.
kob456 1 year ago
@kob456 so you think that Hulk Hogan and eric arent making themselves to be the biggest thing in wrestling? They are the problem because so many worthless wrestlers are brought in by them...also notice how on your list apart from fortune they are all already made stars from wwe...time to build their own stars like before!
ryan61874 1 year ago
@ryan61874 Worthlelss wrestlers like who? What worthless wrestlers did Hogan & EB bring to TNA that r currently on the roster? AJ, Kaz, James Storm Robert Roode, Morgan, Hernandez, and The Pope are all young guys and are not WWE created and are all receiving decent pushes. Hardy himself is a guy that TNA invested in early back in 2004-2006, so even he's not quite WWE made IMO. He's a product of both WWE/TNA IMO.
kob456 1 year ago
"well rvdtito did say they were pro-wrestling fans. they will follow the company that is doing things right. they would follow the company that stands out from the others. in other words BANDWAGONERS!! lol"
No, stupid, in other words...sensible.
WrestlingBC12 1 year ago
@CommissionerSpanky Can opinions not change? Can people not develope their tastes and mature over time? So what if they didn't like it before but now like it, why does that matter and how does it make them posers and where is the hypocrissy in any of this. And I don't recall them ever saying that they liked ROH from the beginning. Why idiotic comments like yours get high ratings, I'll never know.
WrestlingBC12 1 year ago
Tna though I still watch it really been dissapointing. The fact that Hulk Hogan and Eric Bischoff "Were suppose to help TNA" When TNA has gone nowhere since they have been there. They could atleast give us fans who have been loyal to them atleast a decent x division. God Bischoff is a hypocrite with the whole "The X division is the adrenaline of TNA" Yeah where is the X division?. Seen more X division when the whole Main Event Mafia crap was going on. But as for the WWE goes they have no balls.
Misanthropicalist 1 year ago
Linda Mcmahon owns the balls of the WWE. Even if and she should lose the WWE will probably keep being PG because of how bad they would look if they all the sudden changed after she lost.
Misanthropicalist 1 year ago
RoH's card sounds sick.
JOESGONNAKILLY0U 1 year ago
AND FUCK UFC! ITS ALL ABOUT BOXING BITCHES!!
davidpfp 1 year ago
@CommissionerSpanky U GOT MY THUMBS UP. POSERS LOL! I LIKED THE VIDEOS WHERE THEY WOULD DO RANTS ON WWE.
davidpfp 1 year ago
@CommissionerSpanky well rvdtito did say they were pro-wrestling fans. they will follow the company that is doing things right. they would follow the company that stands out from the others. in other words BANDWAGONERS!! lol is that a word? mayb? and TNA is fucking boring. i hate Jay Lethal. i hate sting. i hate this ECW i always hated hulk hogan. i fucking cant stand eric bitchoff lol. fuck this show. The orton and cena match yesterday topped anything TNA has done this year.
davidpfp 1 year ago
@CommissionerSpanky Well. ROH did NOT have an HDNET deal, so the only way to follow them was via DVD. Idk the backyard fed ref. How are they acting like they've been fans from the beggining? Who cares about T shirts. TNA was never "the cool" thing to like, incase you havent noticed, the TNA of today and TNA of 05-07 was COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! Duh
AsukuraPunk 1 year ago
I tried to watch Raw the other day. It made no sense and it was boring. So wwe fans I have tried to watch it. I have REALLY tried but just too boring to me.
EternalDeathSavior 1 year ago
So you have a problem with Wade's finisher? Can somebody remind me what Hulk Hogan's finisher is? And what John Cena's is? (both of whom are sadly iconic of two eras, but they got over). And imo daniel bryan/bd is still the best wrestler in the world, despite the WWE "handcuffs". Give me another example, by all means.
imo this is the order of promotions:
1) ROH
2) WWE
3) TNA- that's because every time I've watched it, with the exception of the Whole F'N show, its been horseshit.
Steelflex33 1 year ago
@Steelflex33 I guess RAW is never horseshit huh?
kob456 1 year ago
I find it sad when adults come here to comment in defense of a kid show like wwe.
EternalDeathSavior 1 year ago
@EternalDeathSavior yea its really pathetic the wwe demographic is pg and it sucks and they should smart enough to acknowledge that
loadedsean17 1 year ago
@EternalDeathSavior Who the fuck said for a show to be good it needs to be m-14 or higher? stop judging this fucking show by it's tv classification. It's wrestling 'fans' like you who make me sick not Cena loving kids but those inbred rednecks who consider it a 'bad' show when they don't see their blood.
ROHFutureOfWrestling 1 year ago
@ROHFutureOfWrestling It's not just that. The fact that Vince Mcmahon says that the they are with the times. Last time I seen tv that is not the times. And the fact that he thinks being pg is the right thing to be. When in fact the attitude era saved his company which was dying and being destroyed by WCW. And by the way. It's fake ROH fans who make me sick because if you are such a ROH fan you would be against WWE because it is what ROH is 100% against. So before judging me look at yourself.
EternalDeathSavior 1 year ago
@EternalDeathSavior So to be a real ROH fan you have to hate the WWE? That's so stupid, it's not even funny. PG is nothing but a couple of letters, pro wrestling is still pro wrestling. So when the WWE remained TV-14 after the late 90's early 2000's, was it still good? The attitude era really brainwashed you pretty good.
steeltownbrown52 1 year ago
@steeltownbrown52 No no no, The problem is, The WWE is blatant in being pg. You know they at one time were blatant in being too springer like at one time. The WWE sold out only because of Linda Mcmahon. See the WWE is too extreme in their quest in being for the kids. They could be PG and cater to the die hard wrestling fan BUT they are blatantly catering to the kids, And Vince Mcmahon has even admited that. I am not saying you cannot be both an ROH and WWE fan.
EternalDeathSavior 1 year ago
I am saying that the ROH is everything against the WWE stands for. Be what you want, Just that it makes no sense. Especially if you down TNA, Drangonsgate and so forth.
EternalDeathSavior 1 year ago
@EternalDeathSavior I don't look at ROH and WWE for their subject matter. They're both pro wrestling companies. Pro wrestling is for all ages(just like it says on my ROH ticket). And that's what the attitude era did to the youth then, brainwashed them into thinking that pro wrestling is supposed to be for only teens and adults portraying shock value. Also, today's fan just wants something to blame cause it's not the attitude era anymore. Today it's "TV-PG", yesterday it was Cena-hate.
steeltownbrown52 1 year ago
@steeltownbrown52 No it's the fact that no matter what direction wwe goes they have fallowers. It's the fact that they think just because the wwe is doing it causes them to come to the conclusion that the WWE is "with the times" When in fact I don't see how a pg revolution is going on. Ok fine wwe is pg BUT instead of trying to promote themselves to the wrestling fan who wants to see a good match they promote themselves to children and they will change again.
EternalDeathSavior 1 year ago
Plus Linda is running for as a republican and that party is all about morals and so forth. around the time they went PG. So in essence it's all about the WWE doing it for votes and so forth The WWE only gets support from mostly kids and those who will never give up on them no matter what they do.
EternalDeathSavior 1 year ago
ROH is a joke and their shows are low-budget, low-talent crap. They have a handful of good talents (Kenny King, Erik Stevens and Chris Hero) but they are dropping the ball because they're all stuck in tag-teams.
Headliner187 1 year ago
@Headliner187 ROFLMAO! Oh my gosh! You're killing me! Hahahahahahaha! Woo, good one man. I needed a laugh.
AsukuraPunk 1 year ago
STFU!
sports1379 1 year ago
bill and doug drink to much star bucks
79cheapshot 1 year ago
@79cheapshot #What!
jhebert95 1 year ago
@79cheapshot a14 year old troll fail
CinemaEpic 1 year ago
eric bishoff is god
79cheapshot 1 year ago
wow man all this bill and doug guys do is complain about pro wrestling in every videos. If you dont enjoy it dont watch it you morons so you wont waste 40minutes of ur life.
vivilakers 1 year ago
@vivilakers bill and doug are virgins and girls barf at the site of them
79cheapshot 1 year ago
@79cheapshot
very true, mate
deathhadou 1 year ago
@79cheapshot dougs married
fpascale789 1 year ago
@79cheapshot oh my! what are you doing here?
come back to this channel when your an adult,ok^^
HolyMafiaLeader 1 year ago
@vivilakers What? So they can give up on TNA too. NO! Don't think so!
jhebert95 1 year ago
roh sucks it even on tv fuck roh they are marks it's like ther i a LAW that you gotta like roh they roh fan suck
TheBillionDollarboy9 1 year ago
relax guys
StinkyPenisCheese 1 year ago
EV2.0 is ruining their legacy too.....
billa107 1 year ago 7
When Tyler Black came out... we booed the shit out of him. We said he would be in NXT, future Jobber, Job to Cena all that shit.
Gio447788 1 year ago
At 9:12 he says, "No one pays to see those people in the ring." Is he honestly saying no one would pay to see Foley, Austin, Nash, Hogan, Roddy Piper, and any other veteran you can mention? Well, the "casual" fan definitely isn't going to pay top dollar to see unestablished names like Beer Money, MMG, Lethal, Kaz, Styles, etc... Those guys are a lot better wrestlers, true, but with no name recognition it is more closely related to a company like ROH, and every company can't be a pseudo-ROH.
wrestlingcircuit1995 1 year ago
I don't get what all the bitching is about with the vets. The vets are no longer in the main event/world title picture with the exception of Kurt Angle. Pope.Anderson/Hardy r all young. Sting/Nash/Jarrett have their own program going on and I'm intrigued. Really there 4 so many issues with TNA but all I ever hear is bitching about vets. Vets aren't the problem. Sting, Jarrett, & Nash were in TNA in 2004-2006 and main eventing and you had no problem with TNA back then. They aren't the issue.
kob456 1 year ago
@kob456 You're right, it seems like they want every wrestling company to hire wrestlers between 20-35 years old and thats it. Plus, if they would stop watching it, they wouldn't have anything to complain about for forty minutes.
wrestlingcircuit1995 1 year ago
if Flair wasnt in Fourtune, theyd job all the time.. i honestly think the only reason the vets havent totally screwed the TNA guys over is because Flair is there.. i think he really does care about the young guys.. hes doing for AJ what he did for Orton and Batista.. thats more then Hogan ever did for anybody..
ERock471 1 year ago
U know who the Guy in the Left Looks like, The Guy from American Pie (Maybe its Him who know)
1rubi111 1 year ago
Im going to be at Glory By Honor IX. First ROH show for me and my buddies.
mgvortex66 1 year ago
doug looks exactly like fred durst
fpascale789 1 year ago 2
@fpascale789 hannah montana wrestling
what her finisher "the hannah slam" or "the montana bash"
wwe would be pg repersonified
fpascale789 1 year ago
echoing what someone commented on one of your recent videos ROH for me is good enough to pass an hour when you watch it and you can see the potential yes definitely but it just seems to lack something unexplainable. it just doesn't really draw you back to watch it next week plus its a pain in the arss having to watch it on some random you tube channel (we don't get hdfightnet in the uk), I dunno maybe the pay per views are allot better than the weekly show.
murray1234567891011 1 year ago
I think if it wernt for CM Punk coming to WWE and winning the World title, then the other Indie guys prolly wouldnt that much of a chance like Kaval, Danielson
LilC2012 1 year ago
This is ALL true. I should go be a pro-wrestling writer cause I would own shit.
ShadowStalker999 1 year ago
spot on about cena
yabigspoon 1 year ago
Don't you love it? You guys were so hyped up over One Night Stand, and it was shit. Just like a lot of people knew it was.
I also love how not too long ago, you guys were TRASHING ROH and now that you went to ONE SHOW, you promote it. hah.
MclarryOtto 1 year ago
did u guys decide to switch shirts for this video? :p
niok123 1 year ago
I have NEVER seen an ROH show before but I want to order the show, can I do it in the UK????
kev2427 1 year ago
@kev2427 Yes! gofightlive
yujamie123 1 year ago
ROH RULES!!
humankiller99 1 year ago
WCW ended its run in 2001.
TNA will end in 2011.
woonyukwoo 1 year ago
@woonyukwoo Do you have a silver ball wear a bandana, lipstick and eyeliner?
24varner 1 year ago
@24varner Yes, I have a silver ball.... on the tip of my cane and I will let you wear lipstick, eyeliner, and any kind of color bandana you want to wear and I will make you
get out in the public and give me my $75 or I will slap the shit out of you...reply youtube style!
woonyukwoo 1 year ago
@woonyukwoo lame
24varner 1 year ago
I think ROH is pro wrestling's last hope, because TNA is not changing and not listening to the fans. Other than pro wrestling, MMA is where it's at now. Paul Heyman is jumping on the MMA bandwagon now.
woonyukwoo 1 year ago 2
once again, good job on talking about the business of pro wrestling. Doug, you are right on the money about WCW taking Hall and Nash and other former WWE wrestlers and trying to become WWE II on TNT. Bischoff obviously had help with Time Warner on bringing those guys to WCW.
woonyukwoo 1 year ago
I think they should keep legends around to job to the new guys.
Ministrytaker666 1 year ago
today's era is messed up. they say that edge and christan weren't brothers but were just friends. nowadays they char's background stories dont coencide with the way they were back than.
truewarriorwithpride 1 year ago
@truewarriorwithpride on the show in the beginng their charcters were brothers and they were a great tag-team most wwe fans no nothing about wwf and how badly they are making jericho look from undisputed champion to a crybaby?
OLDYOUTH 1 year ago
@OLDYOUTH i used to enjoy watching jericho back when he was in ECW and WCW and now its like wtf happened. edge and christan were a great tag team and if the creative team an ounce of a brain as a collective unit they would put them as a team again so edge can get out of the wwe/whc title spotlight. same with orton and cena need to get out of the wwe/whc title spotlight.
truewarriorwithpride 1 year ago
@truewarriorwithpride but he was great in wwf until new writers took over now he looks terrible maybe nitro would make a good champ don't know anyone else that is good in wwe . and most of the divas have no wrestling skill. and that double women title is to copy tna beautiful people
OLDYOUTH 1 year ago
@OLDYOUTH i agree with you with nitro being champ. he can put on in my opinion a good match. as for the divas, thats a whole other things. trish and lita knew what they were doing and now with the divas they have now are just there for looks and thats it. with lacool they are more annoying than anything. are they supposed to be like high school valley girls with no acting skills because that's how they are. i just hope they dont fuck over kaval cause he is a good wrestler.
truewarriorwithpride 1 year ago
Thank God common sense prevails so refreshing hearing you guys- you know your stuff.
belamoure 1 year ago
1) Bischoff is a ignorant twat so his words mean nothing to me he long ago lost any credibility much like vince russo, vince mcmahon, and even jim cornette to a degree
2) TNA seems to be improving last sunday's ppv was good and i think tonight's impact will be a good follow up
3) GBH IX will probably be a good ppv but I will admit I'm a little tired of all the over hype it's getting
4) Ratings=nothing it doesn't reflect enjoyment or lack thereof
TheWinglessSaint 1 year ago
5) Cena get of my fucking tv already it's been 4 years now go away and don't come back
TheWinglessSaint 1 year ago
@TheWinglessSaint
There is no TNA show today
Descendant37 1 year ago
@Descendant37 yeah I just remembered that
TheWinglessSaint 1 year ago
@Descendant37 yea why is that i notice that too today
honorablekunglao 1 year ago
Can't wait to see you guys Saturday
Gio447788 1 year ago
TNA is going down and it is sad :(
Great video guys. 1 suggestion, could you split this video and ones like it up? I don't want to interrupt your train of thought but if you could just edit it into like 2 or 3 parts it would make it much easier to watch. It is hard for your demographic to find 40 minutes to sit down and watch a vid :)
beasttubbs 1 year ago
@beasttubbs What a load of horse shit. So you're implying that the whole of their 'audience' have ADD or lack the ability to hold their attention for 40 mins?
There is a PAUSE button and you can skip foward to any point in the video.
venger 1 year ago
@venger Can you calm down real quick? Thanks. No I wasn't saying that everyone that watches bill and doug has ADD. I really don't know where you got that idea. I was simply suggesting that by spliting the video up into parts they might get more views because it would be easier to watch. I'm part of the demographic I was reffering to. I know I'm busy and I was "implying" that other people have busy lives. If you were offended by that, then something is wrong with you. Let's not bicker
beasttubbs 1 year ago
I support a Doug "Yep".
CattleStunner 1 year ago
Bitchoff, we comin for you, nigguh!
DenzAlot 1 year ago
It's sad seeing Bill and Doug suck ROH's dick like this. They're no doubt the most entertaining shooters on YouTube by a long way but this whole 'ROH is the future' thing is a joke. It was good with TNA because TNA was awesome - ROH isn't. It's as if they're trying to convince themselves that ROH is good but can't quite, but they still make videos of it.
09JLambert 1 year ago
they way that TNA lets WWE rejects just walk straight through the front door to their company automatically lowers their worth, they shud have to actually work and prove themselves to get given a chance in TNA
danverinodude 1 year ago
@danverinodude your right i don't care ABOUT WCW ANYMORE IT WAS SHUTDOWN LIKE 10 YEARS AGO THEY SHOULD WORK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE
OLDYOUTH 1 year ago
I would actually spend half an hour to watch some WOW women wrestling shows on tv because they put a halfway decent match.
They need to just throw most of the tv time to showcase young male talent, and the ratings will slowly trickle in.
takerdust 1 year ago
yeah wade barret needs a new finisher shittiest finisher ever justin gabriel 450 is good at least its just a firemans carry then scoops forward
and when he did it to mark henry it was uber pathetic look like he was gonna botch it by the fact he coidnt hold his fat ass
fpascale789 1 year ago