That was absolutely phenomenal game play!! I know so many people have already said this already but I don't think people understand the presence of mind, multi-tasking and the tactical decision making implemented in this particular match, absolutely out of this world. I wish I could have seen the point of view from either of them, I'm sure the APM for this match was ridiculous. My hats off to both Naama and Empirekas, for absolutely breath-taking play.
@Ruben5Bass No, terran is not all that micro intensive. But, Terran vs Terran is one of the most micro intensive matchups, because there are no good terran counters for other terran units.
I hate Terran with a passion but that was the best game of Starcraft II that i've ever seen.
as a side note no single race are full of babies they are all complainers that don't know how to practice vs strategies instead they complain about op builds.
That game was absolutely amazing. Phenomenal play on both sides, a genuine nail biter up until the end. This kind of game will propel Starcraft into being a "real" sport.
great game but guys did you see there was no 2nd gas till 7:25 sc2 min 45 supply for either player. Good to know as I'm getting my 2nd gas after 22 supply to save gas for tanks then thors and upgardes.
I love the Almay smokey eye make up commercial. They really nailed their target demographic. Day9 really needs to do something about those bags under his eyes.
@Novofreeze those are the companies that are paying for everything the only reason they have this competition and the prize money is due to them so stop bitching
@ak5250 wasn't supposed to be seen as a insult or anything xD Just found it funny ^^ + im not talking about the logos (day9s logo, AMD...) i was talking about the coke bottles, which are perfectly lined up ^^
@divshayan no upgrades that late useless, 5 fully upgraded Marines will take it down personal experince. However I think he should have hold on to the one he had.
OP whiners remind me of Fox News- constantly drilling issues that are far away no longer relevant to the situation at hand. Yes, terrans were OP in beta. No, terrans are not OP in the current game.
If you can't deal with marines when you are tier 3- you don't deserve to win anyways
@Hobomo85 because marines have higher DPS and they can shoot air.. though if you like late game helion play you should be rooting at LiquidTLO he's doing those things
@Hobomo85 Becuase they make very little damage to buildings and armored units also siege tanks are much better but hard to micro. When TLO uses them he knows what build the oponent went like heavy bio and mostly uses them for scout and harassment of workers.
FUCKKING AMZING GAME I LOVE EMPIREKAS ;AKLSDFJD;SKLFJAKLDSFJAKL;SDFJAKLD;SFJAKLDSJFALDSK;JFASKLFJD;ALDSKJFDSAKL;FJSKL;FJKLSA;JFKLDSAJF;LDAS I LOVE THIS GAEM SO MUCH I SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@mgyldz uhh.. yeah your right.. :D i was referring at the times of France VS Great Britain though.. i think that's somewhere where musket gun got invented :D
@umadbrow I feel Zerg is much more powerful than Terran (I'm a Zerg player, high platinum) And also this is a TvT so this comment doesn't really apply.
@umadbrow i've been seeing this a lot, trolls pressing opinions as proven facts, it's damned well everywhere i tell ya. you have trolling down, i'll give ya that, but replies like that are just a red flag. instead, try to push that you're right with something flawed, like Mules, scans, and supply drops. it really gets the rage flowing.
@umadbrow -- What you don't seem to understand is that Terrans have to actually *work* for their wins. If you don't know how to micro as a Terran, you're gonna have a hard time holding your own in the higher tiers of play. All the other races have a lot of a Attack-move units for click-and-forget play. Zerg especially. Protoss require *some* micro, but their Death Ball is almost unassailable. Terran infantry requires Stim use, Siege Tanks need Sieged, and Terran air is very fragile.
@Lndmk227 I agree, one millisecond to late sieging and there goes all your tanks. Same with stim when snipping or trying to EMP, all has to be exact more so with Terran then the other races.
@Lndmk227 Click-and-forget? Zerg especially??? Try any decent ZvT/P match, you'll find that the zerg has to be extremely careful, having his army torn apart by ffs or banelings/mutas having no effect on the MMS combo of terrans. And in lategame, broodlords are as hard to micro as siege tanks against blink stalkers or vikings. Zerg is high dps, guerilla warfare. Never tanking, never click-and-forget. Bad example, mate.
@Entertekken -- I don't mean it in all cases, but Zerg has that as a more viable strategy than the other races. THey can repopulate faster than either opponent. Not saying it's a *good* plan, but if you're focusing on building up your infrastructure, sending off your army as a distraction is viable as long as you've saved up the larva to replenish yourself.
@capierce LOL, you can take every bit of your intelligence and multiply it by five and still won't come close to making Kas, MMA, tlo, naama, or any other pro terran break a single sweat
@wiitubeaccount -- Okay, I *obviously* exaggerated that comment, but Terran is easily the most micro-intensive race. If they don't babysit their units, they die, or are at least much less effective. Marines and Marauders without Stim get massacred. Unsieged tanks (or tanks caught unsieged) get ripped apart at a huge cost. Terran armies are, in addition, the least mobile. Medivac drops and Hellions are a bit of a reprieve for that, but overall their armies are just horribly slow to advance.
@Lndmk227 I would disagree with Terran armies being the least mobile. MMM play is definitely more mobile than a Protoss ball, especially due to those drops. Marines and marauders without stim get massacred? When do you ever see marines and marauders without stim? Unsieged tanks are actually more effective against armoured units than sieged ones, and their defences dont improve when they siege. Microing marines v banelings is 'perhaps' the most micro intensive common matchup, but MMM play is easy
I would agree that Siege Tanks are good in tank form, the range upgrade provided by siege mode gives them a type of indirect defense bonus--especially if accompanied by other units to serves as a shield. They live longer shelling from afar if something is in between them and their targets. Also I realize Medivacs help with little drops, but I'm talking big armies as a whole. (It's hard for Terrans to pull back to their base.)
@ScientologyisFTL (CONT'D from before): Zerg have Zerglings and Mutas which are the fastest units in the game on the ground and in the air respectively, so they can withdraw quickly to deal with a threat. Larva can quickly morph into a defense. Protoss can warp in reinforcements anywhere. Stalkers can Blink and Colossus can cliff-walk. Terrans though, are forced to just build more units and/or pull all/part of their army back, and a back-stab on their retreating army leaves them vulnerable.
@17flyingspud01 -- Oh, yeah. Pheonix. Sorry. (Thank you for pointing that out.) But Pheonix barely count for my example. Mutas are both ground and air attack. The ability of the Pheonix to clean up drop harassment is limited to its energy amount, and it can't stop Nydus Worms or Pylon warp-ins, period. Mutas, however, clean up *any* drop when they reach that critical mass. I'll concede though, that Pheonix *are* wonderful for dealing with said Muta harassment.
@Lndmk227 They can, but remember that zerglings are useless against certain armies, as are mutalisks. So just because they can 'get there quickly' isn't going to help if that army will defeat them. E.g. a marine ball suddenly attacking your main: it'd be pretty useless trying to defend with zerg or muta. Yes, backstabs are potentially worrying, which is why Terran have some really amazing abilities in Siege Tank siege mode, marauder slow and stim for marines and marauders.
Oh so Terrans micro is the brainless marine kite which even a monkey could perfectly execute and pressing 1 button for tanks to siege while zerg and protoss have to 1. Engage at the PERFECT spot 2. Have the PERFECT combination of units 3. Have PERFECT timing when attacking
@umadbrow -- Oh, I see--so you think Terrans automatically always have perfect positioning and combination of units and timing? What about all those times where you catch all their tanks unsieged and you just slaughter them? What about all the ungodly death balls that the other races can reassemble with Warp Gates and Larva vomit? Believe it or not, THE ENTIRE GAME is about having better positioning, timing and unit combinations! That's what RTS are all about!
hooollllyy kaas !
Glock3500 3 months ago
I saw this live. The best game in the whole tournament!
DominoVlog 7 months ago
wow. that was amazing. what a crazy game
GEAR414 7 months ago
Omg, that was an epic TvT.
Eventhough it was only marine tank alot of the time, it was a nice game.
Digifier 7 months ago
Guys, does anyone know, where to watch GAME 1 of the series?!?!?
1000imps 7 months ago
nice TvT, crazy game
JuanAndresRamirezCom 8 months ago
/copies url to youtube downloader
computergasm 8 months ago
That is possibly the best match ever!
computergasm 8 months ago
i dont know why people think sc2 is for nerds just cause its a video game. regardless if you like video games or not, this shit is awesome
justchill919 8 months ago
Terran are OP.
soulofshiver 8 months ago
@soulofshiver Practise more. Whine less.
Hankatu 8 months ago
@soulofshiver No they are not lol:P Toss vs Zerg is op noob^^
imnot15im84 8 months ago
@soulofshiver lol, i think so too, especially in a tvt. rofl. go train to reach silver league.
GrouEEf 8 months ago
Best TvT I've ever seen.
Fireeyes1991 8 months ago
Where is G1?
lordcrull 8 months ago
fawk crazy sick!
MyNameIsRuSe 8 months ago
that was epic
leahcimevlak 8 months ago 20
Wow. Hot damn! This game caused me to cream my jeans several times.
Zeuts85 8 months ago
@ All people responding to "umadbrow"
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS PLEASE. If you give the mouse a cookie, he's gonna want a glass of milk.
Lndmk227 8 months ago
naama throw so many units away, unbelievable he survived this long.
KriegImBlut 8 months ago
This game is an artefact!
AndrewHanderson 8 months ago
2:47 HELLLION !!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOoO
239riders 8 months ago
This has got to be put in a hall of fame to be one of the best games ever.
LehmannDaHero 8 months ago
Holy F%^*(%ing crap!
boofneenee 8 months ago
Fucking amazing.
HaxenSlash 8 months ago
IM SOOO THIRSTYYY
Xxgodlike1xX 8 months ago
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snoooters 8 months ago
TvT is so good when the players are awesome.
kennykakakaka 8 months ago
Wow....mind=blown
Just...wow
nemzeh 8 months ago
Best game I've seen ever!!!!!!!!!! THX for that emotional experience :-D
F71P87 8 months ago
THAT WAS a GG! OMG Well played for both players!
AkatsukiSwordmaster 8 months ago
wow
blakewoodworth 8 months ago
This is equivalent quality to the Naama vs Mana series last dreamhack, easily one of the best TvTs I've ever seen
accountNo9 8 months ago
Amazing
kuigaming 8 months ago
I wonder what soft drink sponsored this event
Peaceshitty 8 months ago
madness? this is starcraaaft ... two
Capeau 8 months ago
op terran
antimonius199 8 months ago
cant believe terran won well played
ifc090 8 months ago
@ifc090
good call in a TvT^^
Fanta7utzer 8 months ago
one of the best games ive ever seen, I called it 3 times.
aSheeple 8 months ago 25
11:47 A Marine, a Helion, a Viking :D
Petersaberros 8 months ago
Now that's how you play tvt
OnlyBrainLeft 8 months ago
...After the game ended I remembered to breathe again.
Holy titfarts that was epic.
Daealis 8 months ago
holy crap, this game is so awesome no single commentator can possibly keep track of everything that's happening...
willyolio 8 months ago
@willyolio thats why they are 2
firedrive45 8 months ago
Factree... Planetree Fortress. It seems Europeans really like trees.
darkside50 8 months ago
that game was ridonk
Monerasauce 8 months ago
I paused my porn to watch this.
diablo7010 8 months ago 13
insane game play!!!
chenwei95 8 months ago
WOW!!!! Best TT I've ever seen!!!!! A definite Tug o war!!!!
Bachpat 8 months ago
urge to create new youtube account to like twice rising...
KastleMeyer 8 months ago
By far the best TvT I have ever seen...and I watch a lot of SC2 games =P
Kamoshida124 8 months ago 5
now that was a game
Aerothorn1 8 months ago
Loved it, just got a little annoyed by Apollo constantly saying "Woooow," I think I heard him say that about 10 times.
ThatPsychopathGuy 8 months ago
If there was nukes in this game ... it should be EPIC!!!!!!!!
eddy23058 8 months ago
Game of the year.
lllevokelll 8 months ago
the game itself was nice, yes
but its only nice to watch with good casters <3 <3 (imagine if the cam was in naamas base the whole time.. lol)
nioxic 8 months ago
It's this sort of games that make me sad that one side has to lose. Neither of the 2 deserved it.
Londron 8 months ago
*THIS* is how you play TvT!
ForsakenObserver 8 months ago
That was absolutely phenomenal game play!! I know so many people have already said this already but I don't think people understand the presence of mind, multi-tasking and the tactical decision making implemented in this particular match, absolutely out of this world. I wish I could have seen the point of view from either of them, I'm sure the APM for this match was ridiculous. My hats off to both Naama and Empirekas, for absolutely breath-taking play.
xxwhitedragonxx 8 months ago
the player i wanted to win with an amazing win..awesome
xTheNIL8Rx 8 months ago
i love the fake coke inbetween them lol
keganjdsoccer1 8 months ago
@keganjdsoccer1 thats not fake coke... why should it?
timlvb 8 months ago
This game was AMAZING
MangrolaProductions 8 months ago
Holy shit this is epic.
tautisg1 8 months ago
Is it considered a waste of minerals and gas to repair your units?
MangrolaProductions 8 months ago
@MangrolaProductions
definitely not
Goauld999 8 months ago
that has to be one of the most epic games i've ever seen!
clubhollis 8 months ago
amazing game!
Mercino311 8 months ago
even at 35min i didnt know who will win
ellomatezz 8 months ago 3
Game starts at 1:30
MangrolaProductions 8 months ago 29
terran players are lucky. acording to the portraits, theyre the only race that gets to use hands..
anthonywhistler 8 months ago
Best TvT match I have ever seen O.O
Cryxo93 8 months ago
Most Epic TvT ever in SC2!
avenyadota 8 months ago
"Units at the south, units at the fourth base; Units at the natural, units at the main".
guomaster 8 months ago
best tvt I have ever seen. period
LittleMikeStarCraft 8 months ago
Nice eseevee's.
TheReallydontcare 8 months ago
Best TvT game I have seen.
Jaggling 8 months ago
OMFG this was amazing
glenn819Gaming 8 months ago
wow that was fucking amazing
imadork123 8 months ago
TvT are the most micro intensive games.
That was absolutely awesome. Would have liked to see these general builds on a map with more xpos though
e13e7 8 months ago
OMG Sick game! That's so good played by EmpireKas
flezria 8 months ago
holy shit. epic game!
insearchofdiamonds 8 months ago
epic tvt
ManOfMarz 8 months ago
Best. TvT. EVAR!
Daragonis 8 months ago
TvT requires the most skill out of any mirror match ups i think.
Warphaker 8 months ago
omg i hate tvt games, the terran is SOOO imba.
samurai3502 8 months ago
WHAT A FUCKING AWESOME GAME !
EmpireKas is just a god.
Thumbs up if you agree !
SinjikuAoD 8 months ago
Most epic game of SCII ever.
guitara7x6661 8 months ago
EPIC!!! BUT really long
MwFreezd 8 months ago
TvT games are the most strategic ones
commentator89 8 months ago
both player are OP... lol
Roxass00 8 months ago
That was fucking impressive.
Hankatu 8 months ago
Don't know why, but I'm really feeling liek drinking a coke now.
Rand0mUser08 8 months ago
@Ruben5Bass No, terran is not all that micro intensive. But, Terran vs Terran is one of the most micro intensive matchups, because there are no good terran counters for other terran units.
TheTwistedToast 8 months ago
That was the most epic match of a multiplayer game I have ever seen in my entire life.
RenegadeBurger 8 months ago
this game is the defenition of epic gaming
rostyloco1 8 months ago
I hate Terran with a passion but that was the best game of Starcraft II that i've ever seen.
as a side note no single race are full of babies they are all complainers that don't know how to practice vs strategies instead they complain about op builds.
njones1091 8 months ago
wow epic game... and lol coke advertisement much? :P
ZomgitsaznZ 8 months ago
that game was fuking awesome.
skullmanwizard 8 months ago
That game was absolutely amazing. Phenomenal play on both sides, a genuine nail biter up until the end. This kind of game will propel Starcraft into being a "real" sport.
Midnightblues94 8 months ago 68
great game but guys did you see there was no 2nd gas till 7:25 sc2 min 45 supply for either player. Good to know as I'm getting my 2nd gas after 22 supply to save gas for tanks then thors and upgardes.
anawa083 8 months ago
I love the Almay smokey eye make up commercial. They really nailed their target demographic. Day9 really needs to do something about those bags under his eyes.
andypaur 8 months ago
holy s
arsenalf9 8 months ago
Great game! (still wish Naama would've won, go Finland!)
morri1234 8 months ago
Terran is so OP
CheeseFish7 8 months ago
What. The. Hell.
That was an unbelievable match.
71CommodoreGSE 8 months ago
...wow... that w-wa-was AWESOME!!!!!
it was so close i'm so glad Kas won!!!
MrLollygaging 8 months ago
Every time the camera is on the commentators all i can say is "PRODUCTPLACEMENT MUCH?!"
Novofreeze 8 months ago 2
@Novofreeze those are the companies that are paying for everything the only reason they have this competition and the prize money is due to them so stop bitching
ak5250 8 months ago 2
@ak5250 wasn't supposed to be seen as a insult or anything xD Just found it funny ^^ + im not talking about the logos (day9s logo, AMD...) i was talking about the coke bottles, which are perfectly lined up ^^
Novofreeze 7 months ago
BUILD FUCKING BATTLECRUSERS!!!!
divshayan 8 months ago
@divshayan no upgrades that late useless, 5 fully upgraded Marines will take it down personal experince. However I think he should have hold on to the one he had.
anawa083 8 months ago
fucking amazing game
213Hybrid 8 months ago
epic
Shuttlekilla 8 months ago
OP whiners remind me of Fox News- constantly drilling issues that are far away no longer relevant to the situation at hand. Yes, terrans were OP in beta. No, terrans are not OP in the current game.
If you can't deal with marines when you are tier 3- you don't deserve to win anyways
Totorosushi 8 months ago
@Totorosushi Funny and so true.
anawa083 8 months ago
Day nines co caster looks like he is 10.
kornickronic 8 months ago
WHOOOO!!!
InfiniteRagnarok 8 months ago
watching porn AND watching SC2 epic replays.
insanitaruisPH 8 months ago
Why dont people get helions late game??
Hobomo85 8 months ago
@Hobomo85 limited usefulness. A single siege tank can hold off 4 hellions trying to harass the mineral line
Totorosushi 8 months ago
@Hobomo85 because marines have higher DPS and they can shoot air.. though if you like late game helion play you should be rooting at LiquidTLO he's doing those things
peterpaul0803 8 months ago
@Hobomo85 Becuase they make very little damage to buildings and armored units also siege tanks are much better but hard to micro. When TLO uses them he knows what build the oponent went like heavy bio and mostly uses them for scout and harassment of workers.
anawa083 8 months ago
FUCKKING AMZING GAME I LOVE EMPIREKAS ;AKLSDFJD;SKLFJAKLDSFJAKL;SDFJAKLD;SFJAKLDSJFALDSK;JFASKLFJD;ALDSKJFDSAKL;FJSKL;FJKLSA;JFKLDSAJF;LDAS I LOVE THIS GAEM SO MUCH I SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trikk1Nikk1 8 months ago
Such a good game!!! Saw this on the live stream...for anyone who missed it...ENJOY!!! :)))
twotonemunki 8 months ago
that was the most impressive TvT I have ever seen
HolidayNova 8 months ago
1st minute of video lesson CHINESE PPL GRIND WARCRAFT!
NightHawk3121 8 months ago
this was the most exciting game ive ever seen! very well casted and played! this is why im considering switching to terran!
kthxbye13 8 months ago
SPOILER
terran wins!
TheNightMayr 8 months ago
Probably the greatest TvT I have ever seen
barraged 8 months ago
I feel like watching the re-enactment of France VS Great Britain during WW1 :D
peterpaul0803 8 months ago
@peterpaul0803 France vs Britain? They were allies in WW1. Read some history.
mgyldz 8 months ago
@mgyldz uhh.. yeah your right.. :D i was referring at the times of France VS Great Britain though.. i think that's somewhere where musket gun got invented :D
peterpaul0803 8 months ago
@mgyldz and ww2
DarkOne57s 8 months ago
@mgyldz but they were fighting for along time way before that like the 1800s back was all hem fighting
DarkOne57s 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@DarkOne57s Your comment was "I feel like watching the re-enactment of France VS Great Britain during WW1 :D"
mgyldz 8 months ago
@mgyldz i think that he was referring to the french and indian war, since he mentioned muskets, not WW1, lol.
wiitubeaccount 8 months ago
@peterpaul0803 they never fought in ww1
indoom666 8 months ago
Sc2 (Blizzard) seconds is a little 50% faster than real life time
atesaksac 8 months ago
how come the game go for 50 mins but only 30.48 in youtube ?
i though this is live cast....
anyway mad ass game
paulacsr 8 months ago
@paulacsr sc2 is plaid in somthing like x1.3 or 1.5 speed
J0ck3l95 8 months ago
@paulacsr
SC2 clock is faster than normal clock. 50 min SC time = 35ish real time. This is because the players play on "faster" gameplay.
lassefan 8 months ago
WTF, i had goosebumps. That was sick play!
jokerexorxismsy 8 months ago
i want some coke... and get me some cola after.
genskie24 8 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Why does Zerg need to execute everything perfectly and win 1000 skirmishes while
the braindead terran players can lose 1000 of them and still 1a stim marine/brainless tank push
to victory?
Why is terran so retardedly OP? All terran players are babies who dont have a brain so
they rely on the OPness of terran
umadbrow 8 months ago
@umadbrow How are Terran players babies, when Zerg cry about everything being OP?
KyleCook6 8 months ago 34
@KyleCook6 Only Idra does that.
Falaeith 8 months ago
@KyleCook6 I play zerg, and I don't cry about things being OP, but I cry about a few units that I forget to counter.
TheRamonesOwns 8 months ago
@KyleCook6 Cuz everything is OP..........
D3athangel1 8 months ago
@KyleCook6 zergs are not OP.
gorthorki 8 months ago
@umadbrow I feel Zerg is much more powerful than Terran (I'm a Zerg player, high platinum) And also this is a TvT so this comment doesn't really apply.
Rybread34 8 months ago
@umadbrow u mad lol? mad,bad and a fucking retard
barraged 8 months ago
@umadbrow You are retarded.
mgyldz 8 months ago
@mgyldz
Youre butthurt by the proven scientific fact that I stated
umadbrow 8 months ago
@umadbrow i've been seeing this a lot, trolls pressing opinions as proven facts, it's damned well everywhere i tell ya. you have trolling down, i'll give ya that, but replies like that are just a red flag. instead, try to push that you're right with something flawed, like Mules, scans, and supply drops. it really gets the rage flowing.
SovietOmega 8 months ago
@umadbrow -- What you don't seem to understand is that Terrans have to actually *work* for their wins. If you don't know how to micro as a Terran, you're gonna have a hard time holding your own in the higher tiers of play. All the other races have a lot of a Attack-move units for click-and-forget play. Zerg especially. Protoss require *some* micro, but their Death Ball is almost unassailable. Terran infantry requires Stim use, Siege Tanks need Sieged, and Terran air is very fragile.
Lndmk227 8 months ago
@Lndmk227 I agree, one millisecond to late sieging and there goes all your tanks. Same with stim when snipping or trying to EMP, all has to be exact more so with Terran then the other races.
anawa083 8 months ago
@Lndmk227 are u seriously saying terran is more micro intensive then protoss? u sir will never get out of silver/gold level :)
Ruben5Bass 8 months ago
@Lndmk227 Click-and-forget? Zerg especially??? Try any decent ZvT/P match, you'll find that the zerg has to be extremely careful, having his army torn apart by ffs or banelings/mutas having no effect on the MMS combo of terrans. And in lategame, broodlords are as hard to micro as siege tanks against blink stalkers or vikings. Zerg is high dps, guerilla warfare. Never tanking, never click-and-forget. Bad example, mate.
Entertekken 8 months ago
@Entertekken -- I don't mean it in all cases, but Zerg has that as a more viable strategy than the other races. THey can repopulate faster than either opponent. Not saying it's a *good* plan, but if you're focusing on building up your infrastructure, sending off your army as a distraction is viable as long as you've saved up the larva to replenish yourself.
Lndmk227 8 months ago
@Lndmk227 LOL, terran is the race for those too stupid to be able to play the other races :P Sorry, truth hurts.
capierce 8 months ago
@capierce -- Sorry troll--not playing your game.
Lndmk227 8 months ago
@capierce LOL, you can take every bit of your intelligence and multiply it by five and still won't come close to making Kas, MMA, tlo, naama, or any other pro terran break a single sweat
e13e7 8 months ago
@Lndmk227 i'm sure that saying that only terrran need to work for their wins is idiotic. in fact i think you're entire comment is ridiculous.
wiitubeaccount 8 months ago
@wiitubeaccount -- Okay, I *obviously* exaggerated that comment, but Terran is easily the most micro-intensive race. If they don't babysit their units, they die, or are at least much less effective. Marines and Marauders without Stim get massacred. Unsieged tanks (or tanks caught unsieged) get ripped apart at a huge cost. Terran armies are, in addition, the least mobile. Medivac drops and Hellions are a bit of a reprieve for that, but overall their armies are just horribly slow to advance.
Lndmk227 8 months ago
@Lndmk227 I would disagree with Terran armies being the least mobile. MMM play is definitely more mobile than a Protoss ball, especially due to those drops. Marines and marauders without stim get massacred? When do you ever see marines and marauders without stim? Unsieged tanks are actually more effective against armoured units than sieged ones, and their defences dont improve when they siege. Microing marines v banelings is 'perhaps' the most micro intensive common matchup, but MMM play is easy
ScientologyisFTL 8 months ago
@ScientologyisFTL -- Ah, at last--a person willing to discuss! =)
I would agree that Siege Tanks are good in tank form, the range upgrade provided by siege mode gives them a type of indirect defense bonus--especially if accompanied by other units to serves as a shield. They live longer shelling from afar if something is in between them and their targets. Also I realize Medivacs help with little drops, but I'm talking big armies as a whole. (It's hard for Terrans to pull back to their base.)
Lndmk227 8 months ago
@ScientologyisFTL (CONT'D from before): Zerg have Zerglings and Mutas which are the fastest units in the game on the ground and in the air respectively, so they can withdraw quickly to deal with a threat. Larva can quickly morph into a defense. Protoss can warp in reinforcements anywhere. Stalkers can Blink and Colossus can cliff-walk. Terrans though, are forced to just build more units and/or pull all/part of their army back, and a back-stab on their retreating army leaves them vulnerable.
Lndmk227 8 months ago
@Lndmk227 Mutas are not the fastest unit in the air. You're forgetting a particular protoss unit..
17flyingspud01 8 months ago
@17flyingspud01 -- Oh, yeah. Pheonix. Sorry. (Thank you for pointing that out.) But Pheonix barely count for my example. Mutas are both ground and air attack. The ability of the Pheonix to clean up drop harassment is limited to its energy amount, and it can't stop Nydus Worms or Pylon warp-ins, period. Mutas, however, clean up *any* drop when they reach that critical mass. I'll concede though, that Pheonix *are* wonderful for dealing with said Muta harassment.
Lndmk227 8 months ago
@Lndmk227 They can, but remember that zerglings are useless against certain armies, as are mutalisks. So just because they can 'get there quickly' isn't going to help if that army will defeat them. E.g. a marine ball suddenly attacking your main: it'd be pretty useless trying to defend with zerg or muta. Yes, backstabs are potentially worrying, which is why Terran have some really amazing abilities in Siege Tank siege mode, marauder slow and stim for marines and marauders.
ScientologyisFTL 8 months ago
@Lndmk227
Oh so Terrans micro is the brainless marine kite which even a monkey could perfectly execute and pressing 1 button for tanks to siege while zerg and protoss have to 1. Engage at the PERFECT spot 2. Have the PERFECT combination of units 3. Have PERFECT timing when attacking
umadbrow 8 months ago
@umadbrow -- Oh, I see--so you think Terrans automatically always have perfect positioning and combination of units and timing? What about all those times where you catch all their tanks unsieged and you just slaughter them? What about all the ungodly death balls that the other races can reassemble with Warp Gates and Larva vomit? Believe it or not, THE ENTIRE GAME is about having better positioning, timing and unit combinations! That's what RTS are all about!
Lndmk227 8 months ago