RIP Bobby Sands. True hero to all republicans (irish, if you don't know what I am talking about) and all who support true freedom. You will never be forgotten.
maybe movies are a powerful tool in order to make people think... i don't wanna live in a world full of zombies... if you wanna see a happy movie you can always watch Cartoon Network... go back to your cereal, kid.
a lot of people don't know what these people have gone through.. so a movie is a good idea to reach a lot of people.. you can always watch something else, can't you?
you might not be a kid, but you still have a childish attitude towards life.. SHOW SOME RESPECT TO BOBBY SANDS AND THE REST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE TORTURED IN HANDS OF THE BRITISH WHO, BY THE WAY, ARE OCCUPYING THE NORTH OF IRELAND.
Get your head out of the ground, yvie. there are "happy" movies everywhere. Slumdog Millionaire just won best picture. and if you think this movie could have been made in a "happy" fashion, you haven't heard Bobby Sand's story.
What happens on Northern Ireland (for me) it is pretty much the same with the Falklands (Malvinas). If you happen to occupy a house and live there for 50 years, your children and grandchildren will want to remain there since they have lived there their whole life. They think they have the right of SELF DETERMINATION, but honestly, they are wrong since they have no rights nor permission to be there.. Another lousy excuse that favors the more powerful side but an insult to common sense.
Thats what ive tried to explain to people and they just dont get it..They all say, "Well they lived in that house all their life, just cause their grandpa stole it from yours doesnt mean you have the right to it. Let by gones be by gones"
Im so sick of these idiots that now make up the larger population of the world...lol
"figures recognized by both the British and Irish governments."?????? Your kidding nobody here ive looked into depth and i have figuires and facts that i have acquired from official collective polls, census reports, the cain project that was used for the official death toll of the troubles, statistics approved by the economic and social research counsel. These are undisputed FACTS!! You my friend are a bigot trying to delude the truth. People want the truth not your lies.
"Our revenge will be the laughter of our children".
You may have distorted it on purpose but some people reading this might not be aware of it.
The hunger-strikers were members of a violent organisation and that's why they were in prison, but what they were fighting for in this case was justified. They wanted to be treated as special prisoners, and they were, arrested in special circumstances with special legislation... To claim that they were ordinary criminals was utterly dishonest.
Ok so he wrote basily a book worth of poams and intelligent political thoughts but yet you take one of his most famous quote and change it for your own begrudgery?
Bobby Sands is respected world wide. Loyalists in the kesh when he was dieing including gusty Spence respected him for his courage, will and determination. Your a fucking tool.
Yes the death of civilians in war is very sad especially some so young. 40,000+ innocent men, woman and children have been killed by the british and American armys since the beginning of the war in the middle east. That is over 40 times the amount of civilians that the IRA killed as a result of war. The IRAs campaign lasted 30 years the brits and yanks have only been in the middle east 7 years. So tell me whos the real terrorists. Why are they not murderers? Because its legal? BULLSHIT!
dont here you complaining about the deaths of these 17 people half of which are children as young as 10 killed by both Brits and RUC Rowntree, Francis (11) Catholic Molloy, Tobias (18) Catholic Friel, Thomas (21) Catholic Geddis, Stephen (10) Catholic Stewart, Brian (13) Catholic Donnelly, Michael (21) Catholic Whitters, Paul (15) Catholic Livingstone, Julie (14) Catholic Duffy, Henry (45) Catholic Kelly, Carol Anne (12) Catholic McCabe, Nora (30) Catholic
I dont see you going on loyalist videos and complaining about their death squads and the 558 innocents out of the 685 people they murdered. Or about the shankil butchers and there brutal slaughtering of random Catholics.
Your driving me up the wall please reframe from the lies. There were only 1857 civilians that died during the troubles all together so please tell me how the fuck you got the figure of 2056 killed by the IRA because i would love to know.
You stated and i quote-
"The IRA and INLA murdered 2056 people during the "Troubles"
What your doing is truly wrong as i said people here want the truth and there are many familys on both sides of the divide that would be very saddened by this kind of deceit.
hahaha look who you trying to kid here. I know your bullshiting because ive got the stats here. Its so sad that you would continue to lie even after being caught out. Its pathetic.
Oh and the 40,000+ innocent men woman and children killed since the beginning of the war in the middle east is fine because its legal? It a load of bureaucratic bullshit!!
The IRA fought a war against the occupation of Ireland, the british army and the armed security forces. Its not murder. Civilians that died as a result of IRA actions are casualtys of war. Its sad but thats war for ya people get hurt.
Iraq Is In A State of Civil War. So that means so was the UK when the PIRA was active, and so is Spain today because ETA is still active. Both IRA and ETA are said to be terrorist organizations but this is based on ethnic identity. India also has tribal separatist rebels who are quite active. That's not considered a civil war. This is all about partisans playing with labels for political ends, not accurately describing a terror campaign. The IRA are freedom Fighters.
You see you forget that the IRA was reformed to protect the nationalist community who were being murdered and burnt out of their homes by loyalists and b-specials. Who were then backed up by the british army.
I am fully aware that the IRA have killed innocent people. The same as every army in every war since the beginning of wars.
Again 40,000+ innocent men, woman and children have been killed by the british and American armys since the beginning of the war in the middle east. That is over 40 times the amount of civilians that the IRA killed as a result of war. The IRAs campaign lasted 30 years the brits and yanks have only been in the middle east 7 years. Why are they not terrorists and murderers?
What about the 40,000 inocent men woman and children that have been murdered by the british and American armys in the middle east.
Dont give me figures dickhead because they just dont compare to the billions of Irish people that have been murdered by the british in Ireland over the last 800 years.
I would hardly say a lot but there are some from the south yes. They are what we like to call traitor scumbags who have no patriotism or knowledge of their countrys history. I bet they didnt tell there family or friends they were joining. Oh the shame!
well i can understand where you are coming from but because of what the british army did to the irish but remeber that is in the past and at the end of the day britain is irelands closest ally so i hardly think they are scumbags and probably most of them were born after the worst parts of the struggle. Plus it the soldiers in the british armys fault they were just following orders from that crazy woman thatcher.
The british government is to blame and Ireland unfree shall never be at peace. You speak like its all behind us. There could be a troubles part 2 easily if things dont go our way politically.
During the troubles an estimated 15% of the RIR were directly linked to loyalist paramilitary's that killed 685 people 558 of which were innocent Catholics because of their faith. There are no Irishmen in the rir only loyalists.
Plastic paddy? There is more Irish in my big toe than in most people.
You're probably thinking about the RUC. If you're not a Plastic Paddy then how come nobody in the Republic drones on about the Troubles as much as you and irrelevently mentions it in unrelated assertions?
The Royal Irish Regiment is fighting in Iraq & Afghanistan. Irish (you know, actual people born in the Irish State) Catholics join it to fight in these wars for the British Army, because the Irish Army have a policy of neutrality. So you were wrong, Irish people are in Iraq slaying terrorists.
No it is a fact that an estimated 15% of the RIR were directly linked to loyalist murder gangs.
I live in the north i lived it they didnt.
I didnt mean they were none im sure there are a few traitors in the ranks of the murder machine.
Sadly unionists dont see themselves as Irish. God knows why they certainly have nothing british about them. They are more Irish than anyone here would care to admit.
hahahahaha that is the biggest load of crap ive heard yet. How do you figure that when there was only 1857 civilians killed 30 years of the troubles 558 of which were murdered in cold blood by loyalists because of their faith.
Your just a lair plain and simple. Who you trying to kid?
The fact that the PIRA alone carried out over 6,000 bombings only 180 resulted in deaths. They killed 1,800 people. Of these, roughly 1,200 were members of the security forces - British Army, Royal Ulster Constabulary and Ulster Defense Regiment. The remainder were either loyalist paramilitaries, civilians or republican touts. This shows me that they were efficient and the overwhelming majority of their attacks were planed and executed without civilian fatality's.
So go ahead complain about the IRA and its mistakes. But if you opened your eyes youd see there is a reason the IRA carried out war. Can you see a reason for loyalists actions? Those RUC officers and there collusion and murder? The british army and there sectarian oppression? FUCK OFF will ya? dont give me bullshit about civilian casualtys you know nothing about what realy happened here.
I just told you were my statistics come from. What the fuck is the Sutton Index of Deaths.
My figuires are from the cain project that was used for the official death toll of the troubles, There are statistics approved by the economic and social research counsel.
Prove me wrong and i will delete my account. Thats a promise.
The cain project was used for the official death toll of the troubles and the statistics were approved by the economic and social research counsel. You cant get more solid.
I will re frame from the mad languages when you stop making me so angry.
I can tell you that i am 100% honest in everything i say on this. I dont see the point in deluding the truth like you are it helps nobody.
I am not a sectarian ether and you wont find me making comments of that sort on this. I have befriended a few protestants on this that accept my facts as truth after some convincing. Theres my credibility there.
why should a war be fought the way the most powerful side wants? Terrorism doesn't exist by itself. For me, it is a way to fight a war. It is purely tactics. Wars are not fought as they used to be in the late 1700s.. The same happens with the 9/11 attacks, yes.. lots of innocent people died, but so they do in the middle east! Terrorism is an american/jewish lousy excuse to unleash hell wherever they feel like I am with REMEDY63 on this one, though i understand people who think different.
I dont see you going on loyalist videos and complaining about their death squads and the 558 innocents out of the 685 people they murdered. Or about the shankil butchers and there brutal slaughtering of random Catholics.
Donnelly, Michael (21) Catholic Whitters, Paul (15) Catholic Livingstone, Julie (14) Catholic Duffy, Henry (45) Catholic Kelly, Carol Anne (12) Catholic McCabe, Nora (30) Catholic Doherty, Peter (36) Catholic McGuinness, Peter (41) Catholic McConomy, Stephen 1982 (11) Catholic Downes, Sean (22) Catholic White, Keith (20) Protestant Duffy, Seamus (15) Catholic
I dont here you complaining about the deaths of these 17 people half of which are children as young as 10 killed by rubber bullets. By both Brits and RUC
Or the countless others murdered by british soldiers especially the UDR which 15% are estimated to be were directly linked to loyalist paramilitary groups.
I dont see you going on british army tribute videos and complaining about the 26 civil rights protesters were shot by British solders during a N.Ireland Civil Rights Association march. 13 people, 7 of whom were teenagers, died immediately 1 died later in hospital. Two protesters were injured when they were run down by army vehicles(1 was reversed back over). Five of those wounded were shot in the back.
Members of the Irish Collie Club and the Northern Ireland Junior Motorcycle Club were settling down to enjoy dinner at the popular Belfast hotel, the La Mon House.
Without a warning, an IRA fire bomb goes off.
12 innocent people are burned to death - all Protestants.
I dont see you going on british army tribute videos and complaining about the 26 civil rights protesters were shot by British solders during a N.Ireland Civil Rights Association march. 13 people, 7 of whom were teenagers, died immediately 1 died later in hospital. Two protesters were injured when they were run down by army vehicles(1 was reversed back over). Five of those wounded were shot in the back.
Or the countless others murdered by british murder machine soldiers especially the UDR which 15% are estimated to be were directly linked to loyalist paramilitary groups.
or the 40,000+ innocent men woman and children that have been slaughtered in the middle east since the beginning of the war.
I dont here you complaining about the deaths of these 17 people half of which are children as young as 10 killed by rubber bullets. By both Brits and RUC
I dont see you going on loyalist videos and complaining about their death squads and the 558 innocents out of the 685 people they murdered. Or about the shankil butchers and there brutal slaughtering of random Catholics.
let the english see their justice for irish people on the big screen,they should hang their heads in shame ,and bring back all the inbred mongrels they brought over to steal our farms and land,us irish love our country amd will die for it ,bobby you will always be an irish hero .tiocfadh ar la
"They won't break me because the desire for freedom, and the freedom of the Irish people, is in my heart. The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon."
"They have nothing in their whole imperial arsenal that can break the spirit of one Irishman who doesn't want to be broken."
"Our revenge will be the laughter of our children."
hey oliver 1649 ur obviously one of those ignorant cock suckers who is too stupid and again ignorant to remember the facts.The way catholics in the 6 counties suffered and what they had to endure for many years.of course they had to retaliate! when the americans fought back against the brits in their war of independance were they viewed as terrorists? same with any other country who overturned a suppressive regime!persecution of irish catholics by the brits is conveniently swept under the carpet
all these silly little ppl who think the so called i r a are heroes or doing the right thing dont seem to understand it was created by the british to cause chaos why do you think gerry adams a wee marty mguiness sold the catholic ppl out maybe its to do with the fact that there both british agents do ur homework the truth is there to be seen
there are protestant nationalists as well...you dirty loyalist sectarian. and dear lord that comment is so unbelievably ignorant.... really what do you think when you write something like that down?
If it wasn't for the 2056 people the IRA and INLA murdered during the "Troubles" (108 senior citizens, 61 children), I'd consider this 'film' a comedy.
Still, 10 less convicted terrorists and easy on the prison's catering budget too, not all bad then.
well maybe if the dirty fucking brits didnt invade our country rape young girls and murder innocent people and torch others from their homes there wouldnt even be a fucking IRA nah the brits are pissed off cuz the truth is being told about what the gaurds did to them men,and there is fucking terrorists in Britain there called the UDF!!ARSEHOLE
well it is facts and yeah im using foul language because all we're hearing is irish are terrorists this terrorists that when it wasnt just us we spent such a long time being abused by the british!! and yes they are facts look it up so exscuse me if i dont think of the UDF as angels!!
i know the IRA are terrorists did i say they wer not?? no i didnt why dont you look back in history and see why all this started and what the UDF did?? and i dont expect YOU to understand! im not the only one using bad language but you seem to be pointing me out. Cop on the Brits wer terrorists to us for over 800 years and you think you all have the right to say it was only us
Oliver - he always spouts about facts and proof. Is he a Christian? Ask him that. If he is then he is a hypocrite since a lot of Christianity is myth and hearsay. I hate hypocrites
This will no doubt be one of the most important films of our time....on a par with "The Wind that Shakes the Barley" and "Every Mother's Son" The courage and sacrifice of Bobby Sands and his commarades will never and should never be forgotten. Margaret Thachter has the blood of innocent men on her hands. May God judge her accordingly. Tiocfaidh Ar la!!
any community would retaliate in the same way, the orange people threaten to do this themselves if there is a forced united ireland.These people were born in ireland but they arent irish because firstly they have no blood ties to native irish people(you get pseudointellectual English scum arguing in a sicking manner that the irish are mongerals and that there arent any native irish people) on a large scale and they reject the cultural aspects of being irish so they arent irish.
I think no one apart from some brits think the were terrorists anyway no matter what that ugly fucking cunt thatcher said. People who dont care and live in the north of ireland dont realise that there really are 'two seperate' communities in the "nation" and that the orange community has(up until recently, nearly 80 years later) systematically abused and tried to force out irish catholics from their own native land by denying them votes, jobs, housing etc. regardless of your opinion on the IRA
the only way the film can show things is the right way, ten brave selfless commited freedom fighers gave their lives so the cause of irish freedom and peace would not be criminalised. End of.
I don't think the film is about showing the IRA in a good light, it's about showing how much they suffered in prisons and it explains why the Hunger Strike did happen
RIP Bobby Sands. True hero to all republicans (irish, if you don't know what I am talking about) and all who support true freedom. You will never be forgotten.
CDowdy1337 2 years ago
Steve Mcqueens? What does he have to do with this
fishandrice89 2 years ago
@fishandrice89 . he is an artist (not the actor) who directed it.
harrywebb5 2 years ago
ew... and why cant anyone make a bloody happy nice movie?? spread some freaking joy!!
YvieThatsMe 2 years ago
maybe movies are a powerful tool in order to make people think... i don't wanna live in a world full of zombies... if you wanna see a happy movie you can always watch Cartoon Network... go back to your cereal, kid.
MilanBaros 2 years ago
your mean.. and if im sick of all this sadness in the world then its my problem.. kid? hehe sure
YvieThatsMe 2 years ago
a lot of people don't know what these people have gone through.. so a movie is a good idea to reach a lot of people.. you can always watch something else, can't you?
you might not be a kid, but you still have a childish attitude towards life.. SHOW SOME RESPECT TO BOBBY SANDS AND THE REST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE TORTURED IN HANDS OF THE BRITISH WHO, BY THE WAY, ARE OCCUPYING THE NORTH OF IRELAND.
MilanBaros 2 years ago 11
1 yes but there so many ppl who use these kinda of stuff and I think now is the time too see more happyness
2 yes I can watch something else and I do but that doesnt give u the right too form my brain too what you like
3 better childish then a stuck up prick like you
4 stop screaming at me.. I think this is how WW2 started..
YvieThatsMe 2 years ago
Get your head out of the ground, yvie. there are "happy" movies everywhere. Slumdog Millionaire just won best picture. and if you think this movie could have been made in a "happy" fashion, you haven't heard Bobby Sand's story.
smallvillefan123 2 years ago 6
I didnt say this movie should be happy I said with the way the world is going they could use more happy movies
YvieThatsMe 2 years ago
Oh just shut the fuck up Yvie, you juvenile idiot.
futsalfred2 2 years ago 3
I did shut up for 2 months.. I got my right to my opinion just as much as you. juvenile? aw thats sweet thanks
YvieThatsMe 2 years ago
fair enough, apologies for being rude.
futsalfred2 2 years ago
its okay.. your just standing up for your opinion nuthing wrong with that =)
YvieThatsMe 2 years ago
What happens on Northern Ireland (for me) it is pretty much the same with the Falklands (Malvinas). If you happen to occupy a house and live there for 50 years, your children and grandchildren will want to remain there since they have lived there their whole life. They think they have the right of SELF DETERMINATION, but honestly, they are wrong since they have no rights nor permission to be there.. Another lousy excuse that favors the more powerful side but an insult to common sense.
MilanBaros 2 years ago
Thats what ive tried to explain to people and they just dont get it..They all say, "Well they lived in that house all their life, just cause their grandpa stole it from yours doesnt mean you have the right to it. Let by gones be by gones"
Im so sick of these idiots that now make up the larger population of the world...lol
OriginalShirker 2 years ago
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"figures recognized by both the British and Irish governments."?????? Your kidding nobody here ive looked into depth and i have figuires and facts that i have acquired from official collective polls, census reports, the cain project that was used for the official death toll of the troubles, statistics approved by the economic and social research counsel. These are undisputed FACTS!! You my friend are a bigot trying to delude the truth. People want the truth not your lies.
remedy63 2 years ago
fuk that director bitch, u should pray that somebody's gonna come out n cut his dick off, bastard !!!
cosmicqueen 3 years ago
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remedy63 3 years ago
Warrington, England, February 1993:
2-year-old Jonathan Ball and 12-year-old Tim Parry are blown to pieces by a Provisional IRA bomb.
"Our revenge will be the slaughter of your children."
- Bobby Sands
Oliver1649 3 years ago
"Our revenge will be the laughter of our children".
You may have distorted it on purpose but some people reading this might not be aware of it.
The hunger-strikers were members of a violent organisation and that's why they were in prison, but what they were fighting for in this case was justified. They wanted to be treated as special prisoners, and they were, arrested in special circumstances with special legislation... To claim that they were ordinary criminals was utterly dishonest.
ChachouMiaou 3 years ago
Warrington, England, February 1993:
2-year-old Jonathan Ball and 12-year-old Tim Parry are blown to pieces by a Provisional IRA bomb.
"Our revenge will be the slaughter of your children."
- Bobby Sands
Oliver1649 2 years ago
Why are you also laying faulse quotes and passing them off as real? Its so so sad.
Bobby sands said " Revenge will be the laughter of our children"
You know absolutely nothing your an idiot.
remedy63 2 years ago
remedy63,
Sands was at death's door for most of his 66 days.
How do we know that a petty criminal from Tigers Bay wrote anything more elaborate than a betting slip?
What he supposedly wrote and what he and his comrades actually did were not consistent with each other.
Oliver1649 2 years ago
Ok so he wrote basily a book worth of poams and intelligent political thoughts but yet you take one of his most famous quote and change it for your own begrudgery?
Bobby Sands is respected world wide. Loyalists in the kesh when he was dieing including gusty Spence respected him for his courage, will and determination. Your a fucking tool.
remedy63 2 years ago
Yes the death of civilians in war is very sad especially some so young. 40,000+ innocent men, woman and children have been killed by the british and American armys since the beginning of the war in the middle east. That is over 40 times the amount of civilians that the IRA killed as a result of war. The IRAs campaign lasted 30 years the brits and yanks have only been in the middle east 7 years. So tell me whos the real terrorists. Why are they not murderers? Because its legal? BULLSHIT!
remedy63 2 years ago
remedy63 2 years ago
Doherty, Peter (36) Catholic
McGuinness, Peter (41) Catholic
McConomy, Stephen 1982 (11) Catholic
Downes, Sean (22) Catholic
White, Keith (20) Protestant
Duffy, Seamus (15) Catholic
remedy63 2 years ago
I dont see you going on loyalist videos and complaining about their death squads and the 558 innocents out of the 685 people they murdered. Or about the shankil butchers and there brutal slaughtering of random Catholics.
remedy63 2 years ago
remedy63,
Give it up my friend.
Filling the screen with names cannot change the facts and figures.
It only betrays your own insecurities on the subject.
I suggest you buy a copy of the book I'm reading at the moment, " The Death of Irish Republicanism", by Anthony McIntyre.
I particularly enjoyed the interviews with Richard O'Rawe and Brendan Hughes.
By the way, an apt title don't you think?
Oliver1649 2 years ago
Just answer my fucking questions and quit tiptoeing around them.
remedy63 2 years ago
remedy63,
My figures are from CAIN, like I stated earlier.
Oliver1649 2 years ago
Lies 100% lies. Your full of fucking shit.
I took my figures directly from their site. Im looking at them right now.
It is unfair for you to delude the facts like that for your own begrudgery against republicanisum cant you see that?
People in this country want the truth not your version of the truth.
remedy63 2 years ago
remedy63,
I can only assume that you are unable to use the crosstabulation facility properly.
My figures are correct.
No mistake.
Oliver1649 2 years ago
Your driving me up the wall please reframe from the lies. There were only 1857 civilians that died during the troubles all together so please tell me how the fuck you got the figure of 2056 killed by the IRA because i would love to know.
You stated and i quote-
"The IRA and INLA murdered 2056 people during the "Troubles"
What your doing is truly wrong as i said people here want the truth and there are many familys on both sides of the divide that would be very saddened by this kind of deceit.
remedy63 2 years ago
remedy63,
I keep telling you that I got my figures from CAIN.
Also, I stated that the IRA and INLA murdered 2056 people (not civilians).
The IRA murdered 1708 people.
All these deaths were illegal and therefore murder.
It's all very clear for me.
Oliver1649 2 years ago
hahaha look who you trying to kid here. I know your bullshiting because ive got the stats here. Its so sad that you would continue to lie even after being caught out. Its pathetic.
Oh and the 40,000+ innocent men woman and children killed since the beginning of the war in the middle east is fine because its legal? It a load of bureaucratic bullshit!!
remedy63 2 years ago
The IRA fought a war against the occupation of Ireland, the british army and the armed security forces. Its not murder. Civilians that died as a result of IRA actions are casualtys of war. Its sad but thats war for ya people get hurt.
remedy63 2 years ago
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remedy63 2 years ago
Iraq Is In A State of Civil War. So that means so was the UK when the PIRA was active, and so is Spain today because ETA is still active. Both IRA and ETA are said to be terrorist organizations but this is based on ethnic identity. India also has tribal separatist rebels who are quite active. That's not considered a civil war. This is all about partisans playing with labels for political ends, not accurately describing a terror campaign. The IRA are freedom Fighters.
remedy63 2 years ago
I suppose your going to try and tell be these are wrong as well?lol
British Army 703 (including NI regiments), military personnel 60, RUC 301=Total dead 1064
UVF63 UDA81 LVF3 RHC2 UR N/A= Total dead 149
PIRA293, OIRA29, INLA44, IPLO9, RIRA2, CIRA N/A =Total dead 377
Plus there was x amount of sas
remedy63 2 years ago
remedy63,
I've stated it before and I will state it again:
The IRA murdered 1708 people in total.
It should be simple enough for you to confirm.
341 were Roman Catholics.
795 were Protestants.
The rest were of non-Northern Ireland origin.
When you're done with the foul language, name-calling, and hysterical denials, just let me know.
Oliver1649 2 years ago
You see you forget that the IRA was reformed to protect the nationalist community who were being murdered and burnt out of their homes by loyalists and b-specials. Who were then backed up by the british army.
remedy63 2 years ago
remedy63,
"IRA was reformed to protect the nationalist community"?
I don't understand....
They murdered the most Roman Catholics during the Troubles: 341.
Please explain.
Oliver1649 2 years ago
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I am fully aware that the IRA have killed innocent people. The same as every army in every war since the beginning of wars.
Again 40,000+ innocent men, woman and children have been killed by the british and American armys since the beginning of the war in the middle east. That is over 40 times the amount of civilians that the IRA killed as a result of war. The IRAs campaign lasted 30 years the brits and yanks have only been in the middle east 7 years. Why are they not terrorists and murderers?
remedy63 2 years ago
What about the 40,000 inocent men woman and children that have been murdered by the british and American armys in the middle east.
Dont give me figures dickhead because they just dont compare to the billions of Irish people that have been murdered by the british in Ireland over the last 800 years.
remedy63 3 years ago 2
im not arguing with you here but i'd just like to point out i think the irish are fighting in the middle east with the british and americans.
lawrence123mus 3 years ago
No there not actually. I know that for a fact.
remedy63 3 years ago
well i know that theres alot of irish in the british army fighting.
lawrence123mus 3 years ago
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remedy63 3 years ago
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I would hardly say a lot but there are some from the south yes. They are what we like to call traitor scumbags who have no patriotism or knowledge of their countrys history. I bet they didnt tell there family or friends they were joining. Oh the shame!
remedy63 3 years ago
well i can understand where you are coming from but because of what the british army did to the irish but remeber that is in the past and at the end of the day britain is irelands closest ally so i hardly think they are scumbags and probably most of them were born after the worst parts of the struggle. Plus it the soldiers in the british armys fault they were just following orders from that crazy woman thatcher.
lawrence123mus 3 years ago
The british government is to blame and Ireland unfree shall never be at peace. You speak like its all behind us. There could be a troubles part 2 easily if things dont go our way politically.
remedy63 3 years ago
Royal Irish Regiment in Iraq and Afghanistan. Plastic Paddy rimmerdy63 ooowned.
KaaVap 2 years ago
During the troubles an estimated 15% of the RIR were directly linked to loyalist paramilitary's that killed 685 people 558 of which were innocent Catholics because of their faith. There are no Irishmen in the rir only loyalists.
Plastic paddy? There is more Irish in my big toe than in most people.
remedy63 2 years ago
You're probably thinking about the RUC. If you're not a Plastic Paddy then how come nobody in the Republic drones on about the Troubles as much as you and irrelevently mentions it in unrelated assertions?
The Royal Irish Regiment is fighting in Iraq & Afghanistan. Irish (you know, actual people born in the Irish State) Catholics join it to fight in these wars for the British Army, because the Irish Army have a policy of neutrality. So you were wrong, Irish people are in Iraq slaying terrorists.
KaaVap 2 years ago
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remedy63 2 years ago
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No it is a fact that an estimated 15% of the RIR were directly linked to loyalist murder gangs.
I live in the north i lived it they didnt.
I didnt mean they were none im sure there are a few traitors in the ranks of the murder machine.
Sadly unionists dont see themselves as Irish. God knows why they certainly have nothing british about them. They are more Irish than anyone here would care to admit.
remedy63 2 years ago
The IRA and INLA murdered 2056 people during the "Troubles" (including 108 senior citizens, 61 children).
The Provisional IRA alone murdered 341 Roman Catholics - from the very community they claimed to 'protect'.
In fact they murdered the greatest number of Roman Catholics, children, senior citizens, and women of all organizations and bodies involved.
Oliver1649 2 years ago
hahahahaha that is the biggest load of crap ive heard yet. How do you figure that when there was only 1857 civilians killed 30 years of the troubles 558 of which were murdered in cold blood by loyalists because of their faith.
Your just a lair plain and simple. Who you trying to kid?
remedy63 2 years ago
The fact that the PIRA alone carried out over 6,000 bombings only 180 resulted in deaths. They killed 1,800 people. Of these, roughly 1,200 were members of the security forces - British Army, Royal Ulster Constabulary and Ulster Defense Regiment. The remainder were either loyalist paramilitaries, civilians or republican touts. This shows me that they were efficient and the overwhelming majority of their attacks were planed and executed without civilian fatality's.
remedy63 2 years ago
remedy63,
Very sad....
I see you still find the murder of innocent children amusing.
You're also still denying the official figures recognized by both the British and Irish governments.
My friend, the IRA murdered the most civilians of any organization or body involved in the conflict for goodness sake.
They are 'top of the charts' in all categories.
Oliver1649 2 years ago
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remedy63 2 years ago
remedy63,
The figures are taken from the Sutton Index of Deaths - an independent research project.
The facts and figures are simply not to your liking and therefore you predictably brand all those who quote them as "bigots".
Republicans cannot escape the truth.
It's all there in black and white, like it or not.
Lol....the usual victim routine just doesn't wash now, does it?
Oliver1649 2 years ago
So go ahead complain about the IRA and its mistakes. But if you opened your eyes youd see there is a reason the IRA carried out war. Can you see a reason for loyalists actions? Those RUC officers and there collusion and murder? The british army and there sectarian oppression? FUCK OFF will ya? dont give me bullshit about civilian casualtys you know nothing about what realy happened here.
remedy63 2 years ago
Are you fucking mental?????????
I just told you were my statistics come from. What the fuck is the Sutton Index of Deaths.
My figuires are from the cain project that was used for the official death toll of the troubles, There are statistics approved by the economic and social research counsel.
Prove me wrong and i will delete my account. Thats a promise.
remedy63 2 years ago
remedy63,
The Sutton Index of Deaths is where CAIN get their figures.
I suggest you read their website.
Do let me know when you'll be deleting your account.
Chuckle.
Oliver1649 2 years ago
The cain project was used for the official death toll of the troubles and the statistics were approved by the economic and social research counsel. You cant get more solid.
Where are your figures from your head yeah?
remedy63 2 years ago
remedy63,
I'm glad we finally agree.
Oliver1649 2 years ago
remedy63,
I'd rather you didn't use foul language, filth, or name-calling when addressing me.
It's considered low class in polite circles and only serves to undermine your already suspect credibility.
Oliver1649 2 years ago
I will re frame from the mad languages when you stop making me so angry.
I can tell you that i am 100% honest in everything i say on this. I dont see the point in deluding the truth like you are it helps nobody.
I am not a sectarian ether and you wont find me making comments of that sort on this. I have befriended a few protestants on this that accept my facts as truth after some convincing. Theres my credibility there.
remedy63 2 years ago
why should a war be fought the way the most powerful side wants? Terrorism doesn't exist by itself. For me, it is a way to fight a war. It is purely tactics. Wars are not fought as they used to be in the late 1700s.. The same happens with the 9/11 attacks, yes.. lots of innocent people died, but so they do in the middle east! Terrorism is an american/jewish lousy excuse to unleash hell wherever they feel like I am with REMEDY63 on this one, though i understand people who think different.
MilanBaros 2 years ago
I dont see you going on loyalist videos and complaining about their death squads and the 558 innocents out of the 685 people they murdered. Or about the shankil butchers and there brutal slaughtering of random Catholics.
remedy63 3 years ago
remedy63 3 years ago
I dont here you complaining about the deaths of these 17 people half of which are children as young as 10 killed by rubber bullets. By both Brits and RUC
Rowntree, Francis (11) Catholic
Molloy, Tobias (18) Catholic
Friel, Thomas (21) Catholic
Geddis, Stephen (10) Catholic
Stewart, Brian (13) Catholic
remedy63 3 years ago
Or the countless others murdered by british soldiers especially the UDR which 15% are estimated to be were directly linked to loyalist paramilitary groups.
remedy63 3 years ago
I dont see you going on british army tribute videos and complaining about the 26 civil rights protesters were shot by British solders during a N.Ireland Civil Rights Association march. 13 people, 7 of whom were teenagers, died immediately 1 died later in hospital. Two protesters were injured when they were run down by army vehicles(1 was reversed back over). Five of those wounded were shot in the back.
remedy63 3 years ago
By the way this is a very good and very real movie. Not Hollywood crap this happened and we will remember.
remedy63 3 years ago
Also murdered in the Shankill Road bombing:
Evelyn Baird 27 yrs, two children, Protestant and a Civilian
Michelle Baird 7 yrs old, schoolgirl Protestant, and a Civilian
Leanne Murray 13 yrs old, schoolgirl Protestant, and a Civilian
Michael Morrison 27 yrs, three children Protestant, and a Civilian
Wilma McKee 38 yrs, two children, Protestant, married and a Civilian
....and the list goes on....
Oliver1649 3 years ago
The Enniskillen "Poppy Day" massacre 1987, IRA victims:
William Mullen 72 yrs, married with children and retired (Civilian)
Angus Mullen 70 yrs, married (Civilian)
Kitchener Johnson 70 yrs, married murdered with his wife Jessie (Civilian)
Jessie Johnson 70 yrs, married (Civilian)
....and the list goes on....
Oliver1649 3 years ago
More murdered by the IRA in Enniskillen in 1987:
Wesley Armstrong 62 yrs, married murdered with his wife Bertha (Civilian)
Bertha Armstrong 53 yrs, married (Civilian)
John Megaw 68 yrs, (Civilian)
Georgina Quinton 72 yrs, widow with four children (Civilian)
Marie Wilson 20 yrs, single and was a nurse (Civilian)
Samuel Gault 49 yrs (Civilian)
Oliver1649 3 years ago
February 1978:
Members of the Irish Collie Club and the Northern Ireland Junior Motorcycle Club were settling down to enjoy dinner at the popular Belfast hotel, the La Mon House.
Without a warning, an IRA fire bomb goes off.
12 innocent people are burned to death - all Protestants.
400 are maimed.
Oliver1649 3 years ago
The list of those burned to death by the IRA in the La Mon House fire bomb, 1978:
Thomas Neeson 52 yrs, married with three children, Civilian
Dorothy Nelson 35 yrs, married with two children, Civilian
Gordon Crothers 30 yrs, married with one child, Civilian
Joan Crothers 26 yrs, married one child, Civilian
Ian McCracken 25 yrs, married, Civilian
....and the list goes on....
Oliver1649 3 years ago
More burned to death by the IRA in the La Mon House fire bomb, 1978:
Elizabeth McCracken 25 yrs, Civilian
Sandra Morris 27 yrs, married with three children, Civilian
Sarah Wilson Cooper 62 yrs, married with children, Civilian
Christine Lockhart 32 yrs, married, Civilian
Daniel Magill married, Civilian
Carol Mills 27 yrs, married Civilian
Paul Nelson 37 yrs, married with two children, Civilian
Oliver1649 3 years ago
Let's list the statistics:
Murdered by the IRA: 1707
Killed by the RUC: 55
Killed by the British Army: 297
Murdered by the UVF: 427
Murdered by the UDA: 112
Murdered by the UFF: 147
Oliver1649 3 years ago
The IRA are Top of the Charts in everything:
Number of Senior Citizens murdered: 90, IRA
Number of Children murdered: 47, IRA
Number of Women murdered: 139, IRA
Number of Protestants murdered: 795, IRA
Number of Roman Catholics murdered: 341, IRA
Oliver1649 3 years ago
Remedy63,
The 47 children murdered by the IRA agree with me:
"Our revenge will be the slaughter of your children."
- Bobby Sands, 1981
I stand by my statement above.
As for this film - it's little more than a third rate C movie about the comical and pointless suicide of a petty criminal and convicted terrorist.
The only emotion it evokes is pathos.
Oliver1649 3 years ago
And what about the countless children and innocents murdered by the british army, RUC and loyalists?? Give me a fucking break. RIP
remedy63 3 years ago
"if you want me to wear a convict's uniform you're going to have to nail it on my back"
-Bobby Sands
remedy63 3 years ago
Warrington, England, February 1993:
2-year-old Jonathan Ball and 12-year-old Tim Parry are blown to pieces by a Provisional IRA bomb.
"Our revenge will be the slaughter of your children."
- Bobby Sands
Oliver1649 3 years ago
Its "our revenge will be the laughter of our children"
and yes thats very sad whats your point??
remedy63 3 years ago
I dont see you going on british army tribute videos and complaining about the 26 civil rights protesters were shot by British solders during a N.Ireland Civil Rights Association march. 13 people, 7 of whom were teenagers, died immediately 1 died later in hospital. Two protesters were injured when they were run down by army vehicles(1 was reversed back over). Five of those wounded were shot in the back.
remedy63 3 years ago
Or the countless others murdered by british murder machine soldiers especially the UDR which 15% are estimated to be were directly linked to loyalist paramilitary groups.
or the 40,000+ innocent men woman and children that have been slaughtered in the middle east since the beginning of the war.
remedy63 3 years ago
I dont here you complaining about the deaths of these 17 people half of which are children as young as 10 killed by rubber bullets. By both Brits and RUC
Rowntree, Francis (11) Catholic
Molloy, Tobias (18) Catholic
Friel, Thomas (21) Catholic
Geddis, Stephen (10) Catholic
Stewart, Brian (13) Catholic
Donnelly, Michael (21) Catholic
Whitters, Paul (15) Catholic
remedy63 3 years ago 2
Some victims of the 'heros' of the IRA - The Shankill Road bombing 1993:
John Desmond Frizzel 63 yrs, Protestant, married with three children, a Civilian
Sharon McBride 29 yrs, one child, daughter of John Desmond, Protestant and Civilian also died
George Williamson 63 yrs, Protestant, married with two children, a Civilian
Gillian Willamson 49 yrs, Protestant, married with two children, a Civilian....
Oliver1649 3 years ago
Livingstone, Julie (14) Catholic
Duffy, Henry (45) Catholic
Kelly, Carol Anne (12) Catholic
McCabe, Nora (30) Catholic
Doherty, Peter (36) Catholic
McGuinness, Peter (41) Catholic
McConomy, Stephen 1982 (11) Catholic
Downes, Sean (22) Catholic
White, Keith (20) Protestant
Duffy, Seamus (15) Catholic
remedy63 3 years ago 2
I dont see you going on loyalist videos and complaining about their death squads and the 558 innocents out of the 685 people they murdered. Or about the shankil butchers and there brutal slaughtering of random Catholics.
remedy63 3 years ago 2
Scum Bags RAR.....
andybrannan 3 years ago
let the english see their justice for irish people on the big screen,they should hang their heads in shame ,and bring back all the inbred mongrels they brought over to steal our farms and land,us irish love our country amd will die for it ,bobby you will always be an irish hero .tiocfadh ar la
imatim1888 3 years ago
Bobby is up there smiling as the Huns are hammered daily by the Taliban,nice...
Ruthlessdud 3 years ago
"They won't break me because the desire for freedom, and the freedom of the Irish people, is in my heart. The day will dawn when all the people of Ireland will have the desire for freedom to show. It is then that we will see the rising of the moon."
"They have nothing in their whole imperial arsenal that can break the spirit of one Irishman who doesn't want to be broken."
"Our revenge will be the laughter of our children."
- Bobby Sands
remedy63 3 years ago
hey oliver 1649 ur obviously one of those ignorant cock suckers who is too stupid and again ignorant to remember the facts.The way catholics in the 6 counties suffered and what they had to endure for many years.of course they had to retaliate! when the americans fought back against the brits in their war of independance were they viewed as terrorists? same with any other country who overturned a suppressive regime!persecution of irish catholics by the brits is conveniently swept under the carpet
MCRxMedicateYourLies 3 years ago
The person writing on here with the name ''FenianWoman'' is a Loyalist and pretending to be arguing the Republican viewpoint.
joesoap81 3 years ago
all these silly little ppl who think the so called i r a are heroes or doing the right thing dont seem to understand it was created by the british to cause chaos why do you think gerry adams a wee marty mguiness sold the catholic ppl out maybe its to do with the fact that there both british agents do ur homework the truth is there to be seen
thetruthwiisetufree 3 years ago
there are protestant nationalists as well...you dirty loyalist sectarian. and dear lord that comment is so unbelievably ignorant.... really what do you think when you write something like that down?
AndrewKingDublin16 3 years ago
This fimim is a must see its brilliant. If got a link to it if anybody wants to watch it online
remedy63 3 years ago
If it wasn't for the 2056 people the IRA and INLA murdered during the "Troubles" (108 senior citizens, 61 children), I'd consider this 'film' a comedy.
Still, 10 less convicted terrorists and easy on the prison's catering budget too, not all bad then.
Oliver1649 3 years ago
well maybe if the dirty fucking brits didnt invade our country rape young girls and murder innocent people and torch others from their homes there wouldnt even be a fucking IRA nah the brits are pissed off cuz the truth is being told about what the gaurds did to them men,and there is fucking terrorists in Britain there called the UDF!!ARSEHOLE
fenianwoman 3 years ago
fenianwoman,
You're a charming young 'lady', aren't you?
All is can see from you is foul language, name-calling, and unsubstantiated claims.
Do you have any facts or is it just street corner gutter talk?
Thought so.
Oliver1649 3 years ago
well it is facts and yeah im using foul language because all we're hearing is irish are terrorists this terrorists that when it wasnt just us we spent such a long time being abused by the british!! and yes they are facts look it up so exscuse me if i dont think of the UDF as angels!!
fenianwoman 3 years ago
fenianwoman,
Again all is see from you is foul language, name-calling, and unsubstantiated claims - nothing to be proud of, by the way.
The IRA and INLA are terrorists.
Who, exactly, are the UDF?
Oliver1649 3 years ago
i know the IRA are terrorists did i say they wer not?? no i didnt why dont you look back in history and see why all this started and what the UDF did?? and i dont expect YOU to understand! im not the only one using bad language but you seem to be pointing me out. Cop on the Brits wer terrorists to us for over 800 years and you think you all have the right to say it was only us
fenianwoman 3 years ago
and by the way i do have things to be proud of you have no idea!!
fenianwoman 3 years ago
fenianwoman,
I doubt it.
Oliver1649 3 years ago
yeah well we'll agree to differ oliver!
fenianwoman 3 years ago
fenianwoman,
I'm sure you are proud.
I doubt whether you should be judging from the style and content of your responses.
I suggest you read some books and come back when you have facts to substantiate your claims.
Oliver1649 3 years ago
im only putting m point in to those who are saying it was ALL just the I.R.A i dont agree with it meself
fenianwoman 3 years ago
fenianwoman,
I suggest you back up anything you write with facts.
Otherwise people like me will not take you seriously.
Also, please take more care with your spelling and grammar - at the moment it quite frankly offends me.
Oliver1649 3 years ago
eh dont be such a piss headed snob im sure your not so smart youself!! asshole
fenianwoman 3 years ago
fenianwoman,
There you go again.
Go back to school.
Oliver1649 3 years ago
i am in school im in UCD so as you say dont talk without knowing the facts!
fenianwoman 3 years ago
fenianwoman,
You surprise me.
It does say much for the ongoing academic standards at UCD, does it?
What are you studying, spelling, grammar, manners?
Oliver1649 3 years ago
Oliver writes"...What are you studying, spelling, grammar, manners?"
No Oliver the author is studying hypocrisy at the Oliver1649 School of Hypocrisy.
AnEclecticMusicFan 3 years ago
Oliver the English Prof. He wrote this"...please take more care with your spelling and grammar - at the moment it quite frankly offends me."
Anyone quite frankly spot this hypocrite's basic grammar mistake ?
AnEclecticMusicFan 3 years ago
Oliver - he always spouts about facts and proof. Is he a Christian? Ask him that. If he is then he is a hypocrite since a lot of Christianity is myth and hearsay. I hate hypocrites
AnEclecticMusicFan 3 years ago
AnEclectricMusicFan,
As a matter of fact, I am not a Christian.
"facts and proof" are common requirements within a civilized society.
I can't see any point to your comment.
Do you have a point?
If/when you respond, would you please do so without the use of foul language, filth, or name-calling?
I hope this will not limit your vocabulary too much.
Oliver1649 3 years ago
thatcher the fucking criminal
warmongering cunt
i cnt wait til the day she passes cus der will b no sorrow in me anyway
tiocfaidh ar la
those wer 10 brave innocent men u let starve 2 death there
cfcnlr 3 years ago
You really are a twat
John2425 3 years ago
haha well said and yeah or day will come
fenianwoman 3 years ago
This will no doubt be one of the most important films of our time....on a par with "The Wind that Shakes the Barley" and "Every Mother's Son" The courage and sacrifice of Bobby Sands and his commarades will never and should never be forgotten. Margaret Thachter has the blood of innocent men on her hands. May God judge her accordingly. Tiocfaidh Ar la!!
Irishlass07 3 years ago
seen it awhile ago!! what a movie!!!!!
OUR POW's STILL SUFFER!!! THE FIGHT GOES ON!!!!!
Thuglordrpt 3 years ago
BS slimmer of the year 1981 LOL
IHATECEPTIC 3 years ago
your an ignorent cunt fuck off
fenianwoman 3 years ago
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fenian scum
IHATECEPTIC 3 years ago
ur a prick
s1ams6cross 3 years ago
is this going to be coming out as a general release or will it be only certain cinemas screening it?
digsy86 3 years ago
I'd love to have seen a loyalist do that, wouldn'u last a day!
Scoob505 3 years ago
any community would retaliate in the same way, the orange people threaten to do this themselves if there is a forced united ireland.These people were born in ireland but they arent irish because firstly they have no blood ties to native irish people(you get pseudointellectual English scum arguing in a sicking manner that the irish are mongerals and that there arent any native irish people) on a large scale and they reject the cultural aspects of being irish so they arent irish.
watchman241 3 years ago
Totally fuckin AGREE
weedengo 3 years ago
right on watchman!
Irishlass07 3 years ago
I think no one apart from some brits think the were terrorists anyway no matter what that ugly fucking cunt thatcher said. People who dont care and live in the north of ireland dont realise that there really are 'two seperate' communities in the "nation" and that the orange community has(up until recently, nearly 80 years later) systematically abused and tried to force out irish catholics from their own native land by denying them votes, jobs, housing etc. regardless of your opinion on the IRA
watchman241 3 years ago
Is it coming out on DVD or is Channel 4 showing it?
mcveighp 3 years ago
yeah very true
them orangen cunts
fenianwoman 3 years ago
the only way the film can show things is the right way, ten brave selfless commited freedom fighers gave their lives so the cause of irish freedom and peace would not be criminalised. End of.
larrycake1981 3 years ago 3
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bobby sands, slimmer of the 1983 !!!!!!!!!
24918433 3 years ago
Can't even get the year correct you semi-literate turd.
Uptoyourfacelads 3 years ago
rofl
Bumblybee256 3 years ago
I can't wait to see this film!
AMason8634 3 years ago
Looks good
lisampps 3 years ago
It looks like a good film, but tough to watch.
gjanie 3 years ago 2
tsk, such lies matthew
Bumblybee256 3 years ago
HAHA! Have all 992 views been people laughing at that? Deserves an Oscar Im telling you!
msayersiii 3 years ago
they were not laughing they were admiring!
Bumblybee256 3 years ago
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starved themselves for fuck all !!!!
24918433 3 years ago
I know the girl who did that kiss at 1:20!
msayersiii 3 years ago
Can't wait to see it, but don't think it's out til Autumn sometime
Athenarq 3 years ago 2
I don't think the film is about showing the IRA in a good light, it's about showing how much they suffered in prisons and it explains why the Hunger Strike did happen
BaconFries 3 years ago 5
looks a good film, anyone know if/when it's coming out in the cinema?
RachCeex 3 years ago
Not sure but it look good
anngolden1 3 years ago
I can wait for it to come out looks as if it will be a good film not sure if it shows the IRA in good light will see
lollrey 3 years ago