I always hated these kinds of experiments to try and prove sexism as a social construct. They are poorly controlled and don't account for other social factors that affect behavior.
@EmmTrain the point up the experiment was to c how many were going to follow the signs as if they were being told that's what they have to do like if a woman should be a housewife instead of having a job and making more money than a man
What the should have done was put up a ink blot with the line through it (like the no parking sign) on one door and a different ink blot on the other door.
I am not sure this experiment is valid. Here, you are given signs by an institution (in which you are walking into). You are not making choice, the institution made it. This is a "trust" thing. Although the absurd is obvious and these doors make no sense, maybe if I walk through the wrong one I will suffer repercussions.
At first almost everybody would obey, because even if you can't see the reason MAYBE there's one, but then if you gi again, you probably won't obey, cause you won't find the reason, then you'd feel like whatever, and "why did them do it"
Good experiment, but I think this is not gender conformity... rather it is conforming to rules.... if you put a sign on one door that said "sneakers only" and "non-sneakers" on the doors instead, people would follow them just as easily.
It has everything to do with gender roles, because the signs are for gender. female one way, male another. the rest of your comment is correct tho lepricon989...this is typical fantasitc psychology.......people are amazing.
This is hilarious, it has nothing to do with gender roles but shows the result of people being conditioned to be submissive to "the rules" from childhood.
Some people here are saying that the people who "conformed" to the sexist signs are idiots, but put yourself in their position. These people probably thought there was a purpose to those signs, that's why they followed it. If you were in their positions, you would do the exact same.
Wish they had stats on # of people of each gender who went through each door, including % of people going through the wrong door who changed their trajectory
@notsenseoftime This was a great experiment. It showed their reactions as to the opposite of societies norm. They looked confused, dumbfounded in that there are seperate entrances for genders opposed to the usual seperation in that of the restroom. It also showed that these people respected the rules and had no problem with it. At the same time not realising that there was a sort of segragation.
I think that most people would assume that they wouldn't follow this, but we actually would. It's just like how most people think that ads on television don't affect them, when subconsciously they do
Interesting, but if the sings read "Black" and "White" people would be upset... but I can't help but wonder if the results wouldn't have been the same.
@KristyC All that money? Two paper signs and some students to run a camera, probably for some school project? It was probably a group of kids doing this for a grade in their sociology class. Just how much money do you think was spent?
Do you have the numbers of how many walked through the door that was not their gender? I just noticed the video was edited, also I did not notice a lot of women. I would think this has mostly to do with visual cues like men and womens restrooms it's just a unconscious response even though they were not entering restrooms.
I'm guessing that this is like a gut reaction; people see the signs and the only other time they can remember seeing a sign like that is on a bathroom door. So maybe they're not really thinking about what's happening. And, of course, there's conformity in fear of being ridiculed. And then there's just plain old conformity.
To make this deal more with gender conformity they should duplicate this experiment except lock the male door when a male comes and lock the female door when a female comes and see how long it takes for them t enter the other door..
yes it is a very vague and questionable experiment, but does portray just how we do carry out these gender conformity roles on a daily basis, for example we get dressed accordingly to the view of society and what is acceptable in society, this is apparent in the work force, when wearing suits men will wear ties but women don't, women may wear high heels but men don't, we conform to societies gender expectation and norms to keep up our reputation and status rather than what we feel.
@chaz2290 I think in that case, he'd walk through the female door. In a transvestite's case, or even a transgendered person's, gender is how you show yourself to the world and that can be stereotypically male or female. So since it would be weird for most people to see a woman walk through the 'man' door, he'd probably just walk through the 'woman' door, because that's how he's showing himself to the world.
this experiment is not accurate. Watch carefully at 01:51, the girl who is about to take the same door as the boys is cut out... this experiment has been changed to prove a false idea that men and women go through different doors !
This doesn't prove anything about gender role. It just shows that people will follow instructions. You could have put anything on their, like having a job or jobless (even though that might be an experiment for lying), and people would most likely still obey.
I think its more likely that the people are simply choosing the door matching their gender because they don't want their peers seeing that they went through the wrong door.
I think the students went through the door with the corresponding gender sign for the same reason we go into restrooms with the corresponding gender signs. there was probably a conscious idea in which going through the door with the opposite gender sign would lead to the embarrassment of being caught going into the restroom of the opposite sex. It's easier to obey a sign than to risk public embarrassment.
Knowing me, I wouldn't pay attention to the signs on the door and even if I did, I still wouldn't be concerned about which door I came in through if I noticed that both doors led to the same open area. I think that experiment was doctored up some but if not, that's pretty scary.
Why does it matter if men and women follow harmless social norms? Yeah, it's weird that they would "obey" the signs, but it's not harmful in anyway to society. I certainly wouldn't want a woman to be in a men's restroom (mostly because that would be awkward and inappropriate), and if any man thinks it's alright to go into a women's restroom, he should take serious lessons in chivalry.
@mgwager its not ment to be harmful to society... its a psychology experiment, its there to observe and study human obidiance to authority in the simplest means
@Kcirtap792 The things you have stated are true, but do not specifically apply to gender roles, but rather to one's obidience to a label. The "anchoring" taking place is not based in gender roles, but rather a sign on the door of a public building. If the doors were painted pink and blue, you might have a basis in gender image... but even then, I don't think there would be any foundation to make a statement based on gender "roles". Both genders are going through nearly matching doors.
wow, it's simply astounding that men and women will freely conform to using only the door that says men or women only. instead of simply questioning the purpose of the sign, or the reasoning behind why the signs are on doors that have no reason being separated.
it's just plain surprising to see that men and women will do this both willingly and even possibly subconsciously.
Actually, this demonstrates why thoughtout the South and othe parts of the world white" and "colored" signs were used for so long before people got disgusted with it and rebelled.
most people don't want to look stupid. in my normal state, i wouldn't have been paying attention to that but to a bird in the tree. it's kind'of like how some guy was doing an experiment about helping the homeless, and he screamed and stood in the middle of everyone in some delusional cause-rage. By his shoes I knew. And I'm not going to be filmed as the only one.
I think if I was walking through those doors, I would just think to myself: I don't care which door I use, but maybe there is a reason why these signs are posted. It won't hurt me in the slightest, so if by using the wrong door, I disturb something, I would rather just take the extra 5 steps and go through the 'right' door. An example of a reason why someone would actually want genders to go through different doors: maybe there is a counter counting the number of people coming/going.
i think you're withholding the video content of men going into the womens side, and vise versa. at one point right before you cut it off it looked like someone was going into the other side. i agree with Anthius0 completely. maybe if you had the men's side overflowing with people and the womens side only, and a man would rather wait for the line to move then go into the wrong side. even then it still could just be obedience.
Wow we are becoming very independent people in a world were we need each other. Those people no longer want to hold the door for the person behind them because the other person is of another gender and there is a door for them. Really now??? Next thing you know it is not knowing whether or not the person is male or female based on looks and you might make the wrong judgement. Now it turns into a whole other problem. One thing leads to the other. To solve problems you get to the root of it all.
Very interesting video. Going through a door which displays a toilet sign (ladies or gents) of the opposite gender has become, on a subconscious level, taboo for us. We associate it with walking into the corresponding toilet area and so we experience similar feelings to that which we'd feel if we walked into the ladies toilet (for males) and vice versa. For me this video shows how little people in general think about their immediate environments.
This experiment shows how our ingrained behaviour, such as response to ladies and gents symbols, directs our behaviour when we are acting without attention (ie: on "automatic pilot"). In fact it has little to do with gender behaviour and would work with any other highly familiar symbol which identifies us as a member of a social category (not just gender). That is, it would work as long as attentiveness to the situation was low.
this is very interesting because the females went against the" traffic rule" which is you stay on your right, by going left, which should have conflicted with the gender role.
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I agree-- this is not necessarily independant of authority influence but that doesn't discredit implications from this study. For instance, perhaps this study gives us a more specific look at what authority can dictate and, taken another way, we might wonder how much of gender conformity in general is attributed to variables related to authority.
@AnimalLover881 yes, and I would use my superhuman strength and rip the door off it's hinges....we all overestimate and grossly prediction our own behavior, a fact in psychology.
@AnimalLover881 everybody believes that they are different that they are the exception... However when it comes to it, you might not be as conscious about it as you are now...
I did this experiment myself and these results that they show here are only accurate for about 50% of the people. We found that there were 4 types of people. Those who weren't paying attention and just walked on through, those who saw the signs and just didn't care, those who went through the wrong door just to be rebellious, and those who actually would turn around and walk to the "right" door. We did get some really good expressions though. :) Just goes to show that the media skews the facts.
@xcountryrunner22, not necessarily. perhaps the results were different because of the demographic and density of traffic. you're skewing the facts yourself assuming the results of their experiment were different than what they provided.
@Anthius0 I agree it demonstrates adherence to authority "the sign says . . ." plus there is social conformity. I look like a male (or female) therefore society expects me to behave as such, and if I dont society will see me as gay or wierd etc.
@lacbear4u The fact that we are pack animals who do not wish to stray beyond the herd. This experiment was done in a social setting, where their actions would be seen by others around them, i wonder if the same conclusions would be reached if the subjects were alone and facing the same scenario? Give me a response as to what you think?
this relates back to bathrooms. When you have to go, you look for your gender type bathroom. And this experiments obviously reminds them which one is which.
It's a just a basic exercise in heuristics, which are cognitive shortcuts. People respond to symbols as a short-cut to thinking things through. Put two signs of males only; the women will approach the door, if they read the signs at all they'll be briefly surprised, and then they'll either walk through or rip the signs down. That's because as soon as they see that the signal is inappropriate, they'll realize that it functions as a barrier. Same as if you wrote "exit" on both doors.
"Men are different from women. They are equal only in their common membership of the same species, humankind. To maintain that they are the same in aptitude, skill or behaviour is to build a society based on a biological and scientific lie.
The sexes are different because their brains are different.
Ok, but this is the same stuff as before. You've still yet to define what this "equal" or "equality" means and still have not provided any examples of said definition at work.
There are many examples of women exceling at the same kinds of jobs, tasks or skills as men. While I would be happy to point out that its true that men typically can reach a higher maximum level of skill in things that are physical, there are too many examples of women who can excel over the general male
"There are many examples of women exceling at the same kinds of jobs, tasks or skills as men."
please be precise. How many are these women, and at what skills did they excell, and how many women are able or even willing to excell to the same extent in those given skills?
take politics. Check any parliament on this planet, and who's the majority? even in the US, Norway, and Denmark, where the supposed 'oppression' of women is long gone, men tend to make up the majority.
Barbara McClintock, reciever of the Nobel Laureate in 1983, a leading cytogeneticist.
"How many are these women, and at what skills did they excell, and how many women are able or even willing to excell to the same extent in those given skills?"
There are a wealth of reasons why individuals may not follow the same discipline. Are YOU a leading cytogeneticist? If not, are you not a cytogeneticist because you're a male?
My point is, we are unable to gage an individuals capabilities to perform in a given task on a geralised average of statistical data. It enables us to make GROUPS, certainly, but there are too many OUTLIERS. Too many individuals who COULD excel.
Simply because one group may have a slightly induced genetic influence towards particular kinds of emotive, reactive behaviour does not mean they can not excel to the same degree as another group.
"take politics. Check any parliament on this planet, and who's the majority? even in the US, Norway, and Denmark, where the supposed 'oppression' of women is long gone, men tend to make up the majority. "
Lets take another group.
Take politics. Who's the majority for a background of wealth and education? Ah HA, perhaps those who are impovorished are genetically pre-determined to be incapable of becoming politicians?
Or are there other factors at work? Things aren't so simple
"Who's the majority for a background of wealth and education? "
the US , Norway and Denmark dont suffer from these problems. Women can easily study and get involved in politics, and most of them steer clear out of politics.
That doesn't MEAN anything. What are you REFERING to when you say words like "equality" and "equal"?
"A concept in the minds of the childish"
What does that MEAN? Do you mean asking for a definition of your terms is childish? Or do you mean that "equal" or "equality" are childish terms? If you think the later, what terms would you use INSTEAD to clearly define what you MEAN?
I've been asking, over and over, for you to simply give an explanation of what you MEAN by women and men
... being "unequal". Do you not want to use this term? Would you prefer to use ANOTHER term instead? By all means, change terms but DEFINE your meanings and give an EXPLANATION of what you're SAYING.
Am I really asking for so much for you to simply explain yourself?
I'll ask a final time.
When you say "men and women are not equal" what does this "equal" refer to?
... population. Neither do I fully disagree with the statement that men and women may have brain differences. However, that doesn't neccesarily equate to women being unable to perform certain tasks.
Again however, I am argueing in the dark on this while you have yet to fully explain what you mean by "equal" or exactly WHAT these "differences" are.
Provide examples of that and we can discuss this more clearly.
When I say there are "examples of women who can excel over the general male population" I mean that in terms of women being able, through work or study in a certain area, to excel over a male who has put in less work or study.
As an example, a woman who puts in long hours into the study of neurology can excel in that field over a man who has put in half that time. Obviously this can change from individual to individual.
And finally, when you quoted "They are equal only in their common membership of the same species, humankind."
How could this sentence not ALSO be used to describe one individual being different from another individual? Every person is different, their brains slightly different through genetic mutation than the person next to them. How much that changes how they behave, however, can be exceptionally slight.
" Every person is different, their brains slightly different through genetic mutation than the person next to them. "
that doesnt mean that similarities and differences cant exist between groups of humans. There are physical attributes that are generally found amongst women, including some details of the brain's structure which push towards certain forms of behavior detailed in the book.
"that doesnt mean that similarities and differences cant exist between groups of humans."
I agree with you. However, you can find that by statistically grouping individuals together, you can make links to ANY KIND OF SIMILARITY. What is plain, however, is that individuals from any group can be OUTSIDE THE NORM. There are far too many outliers when it comes to human variety to DRAW A LINE OF BEST FIT.
this dont mean anything? this just means we following rules. we have signs for a reason. we dont disobey men & women signs on toilets so whats the difference? these people obviously think its for a reason.
Walking through a door has nothing to do with "gender roles". It has to do with people doing what they're told without question. It most likely also partly has to do with embarassment. Traditional gender roles are biological and natural. But this ridiculous notion that men and women are 'equal' is a social construct created by insecure feminists. Look up the Kibbutz experiment.
@Grysham Who said anything about unequal rights? You're now falsely speaking as an insecure feminist. It's not a matter of opinion whether men and women are equal. It's a matter of whether or not you accept that they're different. Men and women are two complemenatry halves of a whole. I can't fathom why some women want to be "equal" to a man.
Because the notion of equality is more than simply physical. Equality is a very broad descriptive term, often refering to a number of more specific points.
In what way would a woman NOT be equal to a man? Please define this point.
Secondly, in what sense do you mean "equal" when you say "I can't fathom why some women want to be "equal" to a man. "
Your meaning here is unclear. She should not recieve equal rights? Not be paid the same? Not be able to be a mechanic?
" " Most neuroscientists and researchers into the mysteries of the brain are now prepared, like the American neurologist Dr Richard Restak, to make the confident assertion "it seems unrealistic to deny any longer the existence of male and female brain differences. Just as there are physical dissimilarities between male and females . . . there are equally dramatic differences in brain functioning "
@Grysham "Equality" is NOT at all a "descriptive term". It's one of the most abstract, asinine notions that exists. There are many ways a woman is not equal to a man, both physically and mentally. Men and women are complementary. They are not made to compete with each other. I never said anything about unequal rights. Turn your victim-mode off for once and stop putting words in my mouth. Why on earth do you want so much to be equal to a man? Does someone have a bad case of penis envy? ;-)
The reason why I asked a bunch of questions to do with rights is because you seem to insinuate or give the impression in your posts that women are "less equal" than a man. This insinuates superiority. If that was not your intention, then very well, however that was how your post came accross, and its further backed up when you say things like "bad case of penis envy" and "turn your victim mode off".
@Grysham My posts seem to insinuate that "women are less equal than men"? wft? That doesn't even make any sense. All I've stated is that men and women are different and complementary. How did you get that I was stating that men are superior to women out of that? This is why I said you're always in victim mode. You think that men and women can't be different without men being superior. Of course, I had assumed you were a woman based on all your feminist ideology.
"My posts seem to insinuate that "women are less equal than men"? wft?"
Yes, your posts insinuate this. I've showed this conversation to a number of other people as well, to see what they think. They agree and its lines like
"Perhaps someone has a case of penis envy?" and "This is why I said you're always in victim mode"
@Grysham "that insinuate a superior condescending position."
Suggesting that someone could suffer from penis envy is not condescending. It's only calling something out for what it is. You soind like a very paranoid person.
"You think that men and women can't be different without men being superior."
Perhaps you missed the several times when I said that yes, I agree men and women can be different. However, when you say things like "Men are more willing to work extra hours" its hard not to view that as a superior position. It insinuates that women are lazy or prone to slack off. Perhaps this isn't what you intend, in which case I suggest you ammend your comments accordingly.
@Grysham "However, when you say things like "Men are more willing to work extra hours" its hard not to view that as a superior position. It insinuates that women are lazy or prone to slack off."
This is a FACT, not an insult. Men's brains are wired with a stronger drive to accomplish a goal than women's. It has nothing to do with laziness. You constantly view women as victims.
"Of course, I had assumed you were a woman based on all your feminist ideology."
Yes. Assumed based on a pre-concieved scheme. This is known as a cognitive bias. Humans will look for traits which will confirm pre-concieved ideas, while discarding those which do the opposit. We have a trend towards positive bias of our ideas and often have difficulty discarding old views.
Also, while true that there are some VERY MILD gender induced differences based on physiology, the point I'm trying to make is that either gender and any person from any group can always perform or excel in an area not typical to their group.
Within psychology, we recgonise that statistical group trends don't really give us much information. We apply (as humans) a scheme to a statistical majority which then becomes a sterotyped point of view. This often induces...
... pre-concieved judgements of those we percieve as being part of the group, inherrantly placing a bias in our judgement of their capabilities which can infuence whichever nieche of society we fill towards a biased attitude, policy or trend towards this group.
There are COUNTLESS examples of this with great deals of research to back up such cognitive bias.
The main point is, such notions as grouping individuals in our society doesn't actually tell you very much about them OR their capabilities. I could group a countries population by eye color, make an analysis of statistical significance for a particular thing one does over another and then draw a line of best fit.
Does that mean certain eye colored people are better at certain things? No. It just means statistics are far more complicated than we think.
@Grysham Once again, I never stated someone couldn't or shouldn't set out to do what is normally associated with the opposite gender. MOST gender "stereotypes" come from our inherited biological nature. Your example of language and attitude is irrelevant. Of course people are going to speak the language they are taught and have certain attitudes that they were brought up with. Femininity and masculinity are biological. Two genders wouldn't even be needed if we were exactly the same.
"Your example of language and attitude is irrelevant. Of course people are going to speak the language they are taught and have certain attitudes that they were brought up with"
Yes. As you say "of course". But this isn't ireelevant, its exceptionally RELEVANT. If you're raised in a society in which the views of your peers are that certain genders take up certain roles, you are going to be influenced towards conformity.
If nursing is viewed as "feminin" less males will...
... will be inclined towards it. Why? Because the notion of doing something "feminin" in most western society is often accompanied with the negative connotations of redicule. America is a good example of this, where a number of films show this phenomena in action. The best is "meet the parents" in which the main character is a male nurse and this is viewed as a funny, almost rediculous element of his character, mocked by the other main characters.
this is amazing =]
scamsr11 2 days ago
I always hated these kinds of experiments to try and prove sexism as a social construct. They are poorly controlled and don't account for other social factors that affect behavior.
NoMorThanMost 3 weeks ago
Interesting.
Do they realize the door leads to the same place?
EmmTrain 3 weeks ago
@EmmTrain the point up the experiment was to c how many were going to follow the signs as if they were being told that's what they have to do like if a woman should be a housewife instead of having a job and making more money than a man
racinggreg2011 3 weeks ago
What the should have done was put up a ink blot with the line through it (like the no parking sign) on one door and a different ink blot on the other door.
jalbador 1 month ago
I am not sure this experiment is valid. Here, you are given signs by an institution (in which you are walking into). You are not making choice, the institution made it. This is a "trust" thing. Although the absurd is obvious and these doors make no sense, maybe if I walk through the wrong one I will suffer repercussions.
Androgenicus 1 month ago
@Androgenicus
Exactly!
NoMorThanMost 3 weeks ago
This is just like the signs on bathrooms. Males don't go into the females' washroom and females don't go into the males' washroom.
NoDadNotTheBelt 1 month ago
At first almost everybody would obey, because even if you can't see the reason MAYBE there's one, but then if you gi again, you probably won't obey, cause you won't find the reason, then you'd feel like whatever, and "why did them do it"
viviane5572 2 months ago
Good experiment, but I think this is not gender conformity... rather it is conforming to rules.... if you put a sign on one door that said "sneakers only" and "non-sneakers" on the doors instead, people would follow them just as easily.
shiiuza 2 months ago 9
Very good experiment.
zawmbees 2 months ago
thats so funny how they obey it, even though if it was real, that would be really ridiculous!
BronxBomber1237 2 months ago
It has everything to do with gender roles, because the signs are for gender. female one way, male another. the rest of your comment is correct tho lepricon989...this is typical fantasitc psychology.......people are amazing.
wantabraptured 2 months ago
This is hilarious, it has nothing to do with gender roles but shows the result of people being conditioned to be submissive to "the rules" from childhood.
lepricon989 3 months ago
the weird thing is though i know a lot of people who don't even read signs
Metamorphisize 3 months ago
what was the total count? did anyne break the norm?
CoLabFactory 3 months ago
little visual cues like this can influence the way people behave so drastically.
Now most people in modern day society are busy and in too much of a rush to pay much attention to the meaning behinds these visual cues.
OntDinRS 3 months ago
Conformity or Conditioning?
knox9010 3 months ago
Some people here are saying that the people who "conformed" to the sexist signs are idiots, but put yourself in their position. These people probably thought there was a purpose to those signs, that's why they followed it. If you were in their positions, you would do the exact same.
tothestars101 4 months ago 4
Lmaooo @ the end xD
rutofan 4 months ago
Wish they had stats on # of people of each gender who went through each door, including % of people going through the wrong door who changed their trajectory
anotherlauraperson 4 months ago
WHAT TOOLS !!
vitaliyjackson 4 months ago
Conformity? I don't think that's the word.
7Epitaph 5 months ago
Thats so funny....
passionflower1983 5 months ago
Pffft, I can't believe they do that. A door's a door, it doesn't matter what the sign says. Woooow.
Nerdicaful 5 months ago
I'd walk through the man door too.
cornelius600 5 months ago
it would have been lovely with music but it was surprising a very interesting study
:D
njerisanyu 5 months ago
This was a really great experiment! I hope you got a good grade in that class! :D
jnfrye07 6 months ago
Humanity is overrated. Fucking idiots..
notsenseoftime 6 months ago 3
@notsenseoftime This was a great experiment. It showed their reactions as to the opposite of societies norm. They looked confused, dumbfounded in that there are seperate entrances for genders opposed to the usual seperation in that of the restroom. It also showed that these people respected the rules and had no problem with it. At the same time not realising that there was a sort of segragation.
TexasMadeChicano 6 months ago
I think that most people would assume that they wouldn't follow this, but we actually would. It's just like how most people think that ads on television don't affect them, when subconsciously they do
NIJuarez7 6 months ago 2
This experiment goes on every day. Only the signs are on BATHROOM doors. Conformity to gender roles can be a very good thing.
theguardianaj 6 months ago
Interesting, but if the sings read "Black" and "White" people would be upset... but I can't help but wonder if the results wouldn't have been the same.
aramilalpha 6 months ago 5
And here comes the hermaphrodite.
runedude65 7 months ago
Lol, one guy at the end. He was like, "wut? fuck it"
punchdrunkatheist 7 months ago
Lol thats so wierd. I wonder how many people actually wondered about it afterwards
MrDoobious 7 months ago
2:42 LIKE A BOSS
kevinsmellls 7 months ago 57
All I see are sheep
skb0rzn 7 months ago
@KristyC All that money? Two paper signs and some students to run a camera, probably for some school project? It was probably a group of kids doing this for a grade in their sociology class. Just how much money do you think was spent?
teainthesahara 7 months ago
dumbest psych experiment ever wtf?!
LOVESWEETREVENGE 8 months ago
Do you have the numbers of how many walked through the door that was not their gender? I just noticed the video was edited, also I did not notice a lot of women. I would think this has mostly to do with visual cues like men and womens restrooms it's just a unconscious response even though they were not entering restrooms.
Miikaika25 8 months ago
Wow, that's just.... amazing :S.
LeamanProductions 8 months ago
This is my university!!
sweetbiella 8 months ago
I'm guessing that this is like a gut reaction; people see the signs and the only other time they can remember seeing a sign like that is on a bathroom door. So maybe they're not really thinking about what's happening. And, of course, there's conformity in fear of being ridiculed. And then there's just plain old conformity.
Now, to experiment with racial signs on doors...
Yesitis808 8 months ago 4
To make this deal more with gender conformity they should duplicate this experiment except lock the male door when a male comes and lock the female door when a female comes and see how long it takes for them t enter the other door..
travisoffline36 8 months ago 4
I think its not experiment !?
ronorable 8 months ago
yes it is a very vague and questionable experiment, but does portray just how we do carry out these gender conformity roles on a daily basis, for example we get dressed accordingly to the view of society and what is acceptable in society, this is apparent in the work force, when wearing suits men will wear ties but women don't, women may wear high heels but men don't, we conform to societies gender expectation and norms to keep up our reputation and status rather than what we feel.
kittylovesdearly 8 months ago
It would be interesting if a tranny walked up to the doors....
chaz2290 9 months ago 35
@chaz2290 I think in that case, he'd walk through the female door. In a transvestite's case, or even a transgendered person's, gender is how you show yourself to the world and that can be stereotypically male or female. So since it would be weird for most people to see a woman walk through the 'man' door, he'd probably just walk through the 'woman' door, because that's how he's showing himself to the world.
Nerdicaful 5 months ago
@chaz2290 they would probably walk in the gender door that they were born with and then walk out the other gender door lol
39533 1 month ago
this experiment is not accurate. Watch carefully at 01:51, the girl who is about to take the same door as the boys is cut out... this experiment has been changed to prove a false idea that men and women go through different doors !
parapigeon 9 months ago 3
the validity of the experiment design is questionable
superliszt 9 months ago
the validity of the experiment design is questionable.
superliszt 9 months ago
The experiment is vague
PsySwitch1983 9 months ago
@lorenzosdreams then what factor does the person use to decideon what door to use?, gender role or orientation?
should disobedience to norms or rules also be a featured factor in this experiment?
kevingp12 9 months ago
what if you're gay? cant go in? or do they need a custom door, maybe go in through the exit door lol!
kevingp12 9 months ago
@kevingp12 well gay people know if they're male or female
sweetbiella 8 months ago
2:45 - "Fearless Bastard"
Justinpie91 9 months ago
This doesn't prove anything about gender role. It just shows that people will follow instructions. You could have put anything on their, like having a job or jobless (even though that might be an experiment for lying), and people would most likely still obey.
SnivelyTheGlamful 10 months ago
what this proves is black people can read
lp000028 10 months ago
This is a very bias experiment
1204RJ 10 months ago
truly amazing!! wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SwagSoSick26 10 months ago
lol this proves that human beings are drones to the system hahahahahahhaha
tag1989 10 months ago
why did you cut out all the bits when people went through the wrong doors?
sermeister 10 months ago
I think its more likely that the people are simply choosing the door matching their gender because they don't want their peers seeing that they went through the wrong door.
validranger11 10 months ago
I think the students went through the door with the corresponding gender sign for the same reason we go into restrooms with the corresponding gender signs. there was probably a conscious idea in which going through the door with the opposite gender sign would lead to the embarrassment of being caught going into the restroom of the opposite sex. It's easier to obey a sign than to risk public embarrassment.
xxsadpanda44xx 11 months ago
Now where would a transvestite go? Through the middle?
brkngbnjmn14 11 months ago 3
@brkngbnjmn14 To the door they felt the identified with most.
AodhanChance 11 months ago
@brkngbnjmn14 Both, just to make sure.
AnimalNitrates 10 months ago
Knowing me, I wouldn't pay attention to the signs on the door and even if I did, I still wouldn't be concerned about which door I came in through if I noticed that both doors led to the same open area. I think that experiment was doctored up some but if not, that's pretty scary.
troydeancarpenter 11 months ago
It would have been hilarious if somebody tried to switch the signs
weirdgirl332 11 months ago
Lol I wouldn't care who was watching I would go into the opposite door on purpose because there is no point to it and it would be funny
travi227 11 months ago
Sheeple.
VelaToNorma7 11 months ago
Why does it matter if men and women follow harmless social norms? Yeah, it's weird that they would "obey" the signs, but it's not harmful in anyway to society. I certainly wouldn't want a woman to be in a men's restroom (mostly because that would be awkward and inappropriate), and if any man thinks it's alright to go into a women's restroom, he should take serious lessons in chivalry.
mgwager 11 months ago
@mgwager its not ment to be harmful to society... its a psychology experiment, its there to observe and study human obidiance to authority in the simplest means
Xshado2 11 months ago
@Kcirtap792 The things you have stated are true, but do not specifically apply to gender roles, but rather to one's obidience to a label. The "anchoring" taking place is not based in gender roles, but rather a sign on the door of a public building. If the doors were painted pink and blue, you might have a basis in gender image... but even then, I don't think there would be any foundation to make a statement based on gender "roles". Both genders are going through nearly matching doors.
Anthius0 1 year ago
The true anarchist brakes through the glass in the middle and quickly makes his escape
damentedmined 1 year ago
wow, it's simply astounding that men and women will freely conform to using only the door that says men or women only. instead of simply questioning the purpose of the sign, or the reasoning behind why the signs are on doors that have no reason being separated.
it's just plain surprising to see that men and women will do this both willingly and even possibly subconsciously.
this is exactly why i'm going into psychology.
IanTheDruid 1 year ago
If you are interested in Social Psychology, I have been posting videos on some topics. You can find them under GSav88
GSav88 1 year ago
Actually, this demonstrates why thoughtout the South and othe parts of the world white" and "colored" signs were used for so long before people got disgusted with it and rebelled.
txvoltaire 1 year ago
??? this proves that women will enter the restroom door with a women symbol on it and vice versa for men...this is bull
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chrismac182 1 year ago
most people don't want to look stupid. in my normal state, i wouldn't have been paying attention to that but to a bird in the tree. it's kind'of like how some guy was doing an experiment about helping the homeless, and he screamed and stood in the middle of everyone in some delusional cause-rage. By his shoes I knew. And I'm not going to be filmed as the only one.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
Well, at least it demonstrates the gender schema theory!
MoeThaCrazyBartender 1 year ago
agree with Anthius0. This does not prove a damn thing about gender roles. Not-a-one. Good job.
deytukrjabz 1 year ago
I would go through the men's door, just to mess with them xD. It seems so pointless.
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adriekebriy 1 year ago
I think if I was walking through those doors, I would just think to myself: I don't care which door I use, but maybe there is a reason why these signs are posted. It won't hurt me in the slightest, so if by using the wrong door, I disturb something, I would rather just take the extra 5 steps and go through the 'right' door. An example of a reason why someone would actually want genders to go through different doors: maybe there is a counter counting the number of people coming/going.
RobynCB1990 1 year ago
And not to forget the reading about conformity and aggression/depression by Freud ;-)
Morgena1 1 year ago
I love this!
truppledotcom 1 year ago
woah, aparently I replied MY video to this one... I seriously don't remember doing that, but hey! It's the same experiment.
hardbed 1 year ago
Ah, this is funny. I want to try it on non-glass doors.
LadyPotatoChip 1 year ago
i think you're withholding the video content of men going into the womens side, and vise versa. at one point right before you cut it off it looked like someone was going into the other side. i agree with Anthius0 completely. maybe if you had the men's side overflowing with people and the womens side only, and a man would rather wait for the line to move then go into the wrong side. even then it still could just be obedience.
MrRalfnader66 1 year ago 3
@MrRalfnader66 ...at the end it shows a guy leaving through the female side.
LadyPotatoChip 1 year ago
lmao this is a pretty funny experiment. they all read it and listened but after they do theyre like wtf was the point of that?
hoonz915 1 year ago
Wow we are becoming very independent people in a world were we need each other. Those people no longer want to hold the door for the person behind them because the other person is of another gender and there is a door for them. Really now??? Next thing you know it is not knowing whether or not the person is male or female based on looks and you might make the wrong judgement. Now it turns into a whole other problem. One thing leads to the other. To solve problems you get to the root of it all.
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adriasanthus 1 year ago
Very interesting video. Going through a door which displays a toilet sign (ladies or gents) of the opposite gender has become, on a subconscious level, taboo for us. We associate it with walking into the corresponding toilet area and so we experience similar feelings to that which we'd feel if we walked into the ladies toilet (for males) and vice versa. For me this video shows how little people in general think about their immediate environments.
SolarFlare42 1 year ago
This experiment shows how our ingrained behaviour, such as response to ladies and gents symbols, directs our behaviour when we are acting without attention (ie: on "automatic pilot"). In fact it has little to do with gender behaviour and would work with any other highly familiar symbol which identifies us as a member of a social category (not just gender). That is, it would work as long as attentiveness to the situation was low.
SolarFlare42 1 year ago
If you obey the rule, it means you are under the domination of authority.
If you dont obey the rules, it means you are breaking the rules which makes you guilty in the society according the policies.
What shall a human being be doing?
gotermeni 1 year ago
this is very interesting because the females went against the" traffic rule" which is you stay on your right, by going left, which should have conflicted with the gender role.
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graywackeknifebdr 1 year ago
I agree-- this is not necessarily independant of authority influence but that doesn't discredit implications from this study. For instance, perhaps this study gives us a more specific look at what authority can dictate and, taken another way, we might wonder how much of gender conformity in general is attributed to variables related to authority.
tabletalk31 1 year ago
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tabletalk31 1 year ago
lol i would walk in thruogh which ever is closer to me and wonder about what the hell happened to this world XD
AnimalLover881 1 year ago 52
@AnimalLover881 yes, and I would use my superhuman strength and rip the door off it's hinges....we all overestimate and grossly prediction our own behavior, a fact in psychology.
ncPsychosis 1 year ago
@AnimalLover881 everybody believes that they are different that they are the exception... However when it comes to it, you might not be as conscious about it as you are now...
Katliam7 7 months ago
So cool so clever
PeaceBeaze 1 year ago
Conformist ! lol
beekie321 1 year ago
I did this experiment myself and these results that they show here are only accurate for about 50% of the people. We found that there were 4 types of people. Those who weren't paying attention and just walked on through, those who saw the signs and just didn't care, those who went through the wrong door just to be rebellious, and those who actually would turn around and walk to the "right" door. We did get some really good expressions though. :) Just goes to show that the media skews the facts.
xcountryrunner22 1 year ago
@xcountryrunner22, not necessarily. perhaps the results were different because of the demographic and density of traffic. you're skewing the facts yourself assuming the results of their experiment were different than what they provided.
weareinsearchof 1 year ago
I don't know if I'd agree this experiment proves anything in regards to gender roles. If anything, it's more of an obidience to authority.
Anthius0 1 year ago 154
@Anthius0 I agree.
canttouchdylan 1 year ago
@Anthius0
Not completely true. Partially it's an obedience to authority but one does not get offended. It proves that sexism isn't that big in America.
Now if this sign said "whites only" and "blacks only", it would be another story.
woodyfly 1 year ago
@Anthius0 I agree it demonstrates adherence to authority "the sign says . . ." plus there is social conformity. I look like a male (or female) therefore society expects me to behave as such, and if I dont society will see me as gay or wierd etc.
lacbear4u 1 year ago
@lacbear4u The fact that we are pack animals who do not wish to stray beyond the herd. This experiment was done in a social setting, where their actions would be seen by others around them, i wonder if the same conclusions would be reached if the subjects were alone and facing the same scenario? Give me a response as to what you think?
M1st4T 1 year ago
@M1st4T Peer pressure is very powerful. I suspect that if subjects did not believe others were watching they may use whichever door was convenient.
lacbear4u 11 months ago
@Anthius0 exactly its about obeying rules it has nothing to do with gender
themaniusedtob 1 year ago
@Anthius0 Barely even that, though. It's just an act of common courtesy, really.
Colddirector 11 months ago
@Anthius0 Totally agree, would have been better had it just been a picture of a "man" on one door and a 'women" on the other.
thoughtsthroughsound 7 months ago
haha. the last man is stubborn
ShariLyssa 1 year ago
lol
VenusFriend 1 year ago
lol
jayguy173 1 year ago
lol this was very funny to me
Jayjon81 1 year ago
this relates back to bathrooms. When you have to go, you look for your gender type bathroom. And this experiments obviously reminds them which one is which.
TheXeeman 1 year ago
They should have had the women exit the door where the men are entering and vice versa
rorymorris1 1 year ago
We all expect the worst to happen in these situations so just avoid the potential embarassment and comply, nothin wrong with it at all really.
1Jonman1 1 year ago
It's a just a basic exercise in heuristics, which are cognitive shortcuts. People respond to symbols as a short-cut to thinking things through. Put two signs of males only; the women will approach the door, if they read the signs at all they'll be briefly surprised, and then they'll either walk through or rip the signs down. That's because as soon as they see that the signal is inappropriate, they'll realize that it functions as a barrier. Same as if you wrote "exit" on both doors.
12321managementman 1 year ago
"Men are different from women. They are equal only in their common membership of the same species, humankind. To maintain that they are the same in aptitude, skill or behaviour is to build a society based on a biological and scientific lie.
The sexes are different because their brains are different.
"
maridTayir 1 year ago
@maridTayir
Ok, but this is the same stuff as before. You've still yet to define what this "equal" or "equality" means and still have not provided any examples of said definition at work.
There are many examples of women exceling at the same kinds of jobs, tasks or skills as men. While I would be happy to point out that its true that men typically can reach a higher maximum level of skill in things that are physical, there are too many examples of women who can excel over the general male
Grysham 1 year ago
@Grysham
"There are many examples of women exceling at the same kinds of jobs, tasks or skills as men."
please be precise. How many are these women, and at what skills did they excell, and how many women are able or even willing to excell to the same extent in those given skills?
take politics. Check any parliament on this planet, and who's the majority? even in the US, Norway, and Denmark, where the supposed 'oppression' of women is long gone, men tend to make up the majority.
maridTayir 1 year ago
@maridTayir
"please be precise."
Barbara McClintock, reciever of the Nobel Laureate in 1983, a leading cytogeneticist.
"How many are these women, and at what skills did they excell, and how many women are able or even willing to excell to the same extent in those given skills?"
There are a wealth of reasons why individuals may not follow the same discipline. Are YOU a leading cytogeneticist? If not, are you not a cytogeneticist because you're a male?
Grysham 1 year ago
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maridTayir 1 year ago
@maridTayir
My point is, we are unable to gage an individuals capabilities to perform in a given task on a geralised average of statistical data. It enables us to make GROUPS, certainly, but there are too many OUTLIERS. Too many individuals who COULD excel.
Simply because one group may have a slightly induced genetic influence towards particular kinds of emotive, reactive behaviour does not mean they can not excel to the same degree as another group.
Grysham 1 year ago
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maridTayir 1 year ago
@maridTayir
"take politics. Check any parliament on this planet, and who's the majority? even in the US, Norway, and Denmark, where the supposed 'oppression' of women is long gone, men tend to make up the majority. "
Lets take another group.
Take politics. Who's the majority for a background of wealth and education? Ah HA, perhaps those who are impovorished are genetically pre-determined to be incapable of becoming politicians?
Or are there other factors at work? Things aren't so simple
Grysham 1 year ago
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@Grysham
"Who's the majority for a background of wealth and education? "
the US , Norway and Denmark dont suffer from these problems. Women can easily study and get involved in politics, and most of them steer clear out of politics.
maridTayir 1 year ago
@Grysham
"You've still yet to define what this "equal" or "equality" "
a concept in the minds of the childish.
maridTayir 1 year ago
@maridTayir
That doesn't MEAN anything. What are you REFERING to when you say words like "equality" and "equal"?
"A concept in the minds of the childish"
What does that MEAN? Do you mean asking for a definition of your terms is childish? Or do you mean that "equal" or "equality" are childish terms? If you think the later, what terms would you use INSTEAD to clearly define what you MEAN?
I've been asking, over and over, for you to simply give an explanation of what you MEAN by women and men
Grysham 1 year ago
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maridTayir 1 year ago
@maridTayir
(continued)
... being "unequal". Do you not want to use this term? Would you prefer to use ANOTHER term instead? By all means, change terms but DEFINE your meanings and give an EXPLANATION of what you're SAYING.
Am I really asking for so much for you to simply explain yourself?
I'll ask a final time.
When you say "men and women are not equal" what does this "equal" refer to?
Grysham 1 year ago
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maridTayir 1 year ago
@maridTayir
(continued)
... population. Neither do I fully disagree with the statement that men and women may have brain differences. However, that doesn't neccesarily equate to women being unable to perform certain tasks.
Again however, I am argueing in the dark on this while you have yet to fully explain what you mean by "equal" or exactly WHAT these "differences" are.
Provide examples of that and we can discuss this more clearly.
Grysham 1 year ago
@Grysham
" Provide examples of that and we can discuss this more clearly."
i hope you're not trying to trash a whole book of research, for some anecdotal evidence?
maridTayir 1 year ago
@maridTayir
Lastly, for clarification.
When I say there are "examples of women who can excel over the general male population" I mean that in terms of women being able, through work or study in a certain area, to excel over a male who has put in less work or study.
As an example, a woman who puts in long hours into the study of neurology can excel in that field over a man who has put in half that time. Obviously this can change from individual to individual.
Grysham 1 year ago
@maridTayir
And finally, when you quoted "They are equal only in their common membership of the same species, humankind."
How could this sentence not ALSO be used to describe one individual being different from another individual? Every person is different, their brains slightly different through genetic mutation than the person next to them. How much that changes how they behave, however, can be exceptionally slight.
Again, DEFINE equal and give EXAMPLES.
Grysham 1 year ago
@Grysham
" Every person is different, their brains slightly different through genetic mutation than the person next to them. "
that doesnt mean that similarities and differences cant exist between groups of humans. There are physical attributes that are generally found amongst women, including some details of the brain's structure which push towards certain forms of behavior detailed in the book.
maridTayir 1 year ago
"that doesnt mean that similarities and differences cant exist between groups of humans."
I agree with you. However, you can find that by statistically grouping individuals together, you can make links to ANY KIND OF SIMILARITY. What is plain, however, is that individuals from any group can be OUTSIDE THE NORM. There are far too many outliers when it comes to human variety to DRAW A LINE OF BEST FIT.
Grysham 1 year ago
this dont mean anything? this just means we following rules. we have signs for a reason. we dont disobey men & women signs on toilets so whats the difference? these people obviously think its for a reason.
streetstaruk 1 year ago
its like watching to japanese people on a bridge pretending to pull on a rope and people thinking there is a rope there roflmao
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trns1000 1 year ago
interesting experiment but the sound if any does not work
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Ratama 1 year ago
Walking through a door has nothing to do with "gender roles". It has to do with people doing what they're told without question. It most likely also partly has to do with embarassment. Traditional gender roles are biological and natural. But this ridiculous notion that men and women are 'equal' is a social construct created by insecure feminists. Look up the Kibbutz experiment.
XxHarmonicNightsxX 1 year ago
@XxHarmonicNightsxX
In what way, exactly, are men and women "unequal"?
You feel they deserve different rights, perhaps? Should there be different laws for a man and for a woman?
You think there should be different expectations in the work place on different genders? A man should work harder, a woman not so hard?
You think men and women rank differently in importance? A man is more deserving of a life saving transplant than a woman, perhaps?
Grysham 1 year ago
@Grysham Who said anything about unequal rights? You're now falsely speaking as an insecure feminist. It's not a matter of opinion whether men and women are equal. It's a matter of whether or not you accept that they're different. Men and women are two complemenatry halves of a whole. I can't fathom why some women want to be "equal" to a man.
XxHarmonicNightsxX 1 year ago
@XxHarmonicNightsxX
Because the notion of equality is more than simply physical. Equality is a very broad descriptive term, often refering to a number of more specific points.
In what way would a woman NOT be equal to a man? Please define this point.
Secondly, in what sense do you mean "equal" when you say "I can't fathom why some women want to be "equal" to a man. "
Your meaning here is unclear. She should not recieve equal rights? Not be paid the same? Not be able to be a mechanic?
Grysham 1 year ago
@Grysham
read BRAIN SEX: The real difference between men and women
by Anne Moir, Ph.D. and David Jessel.
maridTayir 1 year ago
@Grysham
excerpt from the book, posted on the net:
" " Most neuroscientists and researchers into the mysteries of the brain are now prepared, like the American neurologist Dr Richard Restak, to make the confident assertion "it seems unrealistic to deny any longer the existence of male and female brain differences. Just as there are physical dissimilarities between male and females . . . there are equally dramatic differences in brain functioning "
maridTayir 1 year ago
@Grysham "Equality" is NOT at all a "descriptive term". It's one of the most abstract, asinine notions that exists. There are many ways a woman is not equal to a man, both physically and mentally. Men and women are complementary. They are not made to compete with each other. I never said anything about unequal rights. Turn your victim-mode off for once and stop putting words in my mouth. Why on earth do you want so much to be equal to a man? Does someone have a bad case of penis envy? ;-)
XxHarmonicNightsxX 1 year ago
@XxHarmonicNightsxX
*facepalm*
I AM a man.
The reason why I asked a bunch of questions to do with rights is because you seem to insinuate or give the impression in your posts that women are "less equal" than a man. This insinuates superiority. If that was not your intention, then very well, however that was how your post came accross, and its further backed up when you say things like "bad case of penis envy" and "turn your victim mode off".
Grysham 1 year ago
@Grysham My posts seem to insinuate that "women are less equal than men"? wft? That doesn't even make any sense. All I've stated is that men and women are different and complementary. How did you get that I was stating that men are superior to women out of that? This is why I said you're always in victim mode. You think that men and women can't be different without men being superior. Of course, I had assumed you were a woman based on all your feminist ideology.
XxHarmonicNightsxX 1 year ago
@XxHarmonicNightsxX
"My posts seem to insinuate that "women are less equal than men"? wft?"
Yes, your posts insinuate this. I've showed this conversation to a number of other people as well, to see what they think. They agree and its lines like
"Perhaps someone has a case of penis envy?" and "This is why I said you're always in victim mode"
that insinuate a superior condescending position.
Grysham 1 year ago
@Grysham "that insinuate a superior condescending position."
Suggesting that someone could suffer from penis envy is not condescending. It's only calling something out for what it is. You soind like a very paranoid person.
XxHarmonicNightsxX 1 year ago
@XxHarmonicNightsxX
"You think that men and women can't be different without men being superior."
Perhaps you missed the several times when I said that yes, I agree men and women can be different. However, when you say things like "Men are more willing to work extra hours" its hard not to view that as a superior position. It insinuates that women are lazy or prone to slack off. Perhaps this isn't what you intend, in which case I suggest you ammend your comments accordingly.
Grysham 1 year ago
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@Grysham "However, when you say things like "Men are more willing to work extra hours" its hard not to view that as a superior position. It insinuates that women are lazy or prone to slack off."
This is a FACT, not an insult. Men's brains are wired with a stronger drive to accomplish a goal than women's. It has nothing to do with laziness. You constantly view women as victims.
XxHarmonicNightsxX 1 year ago
@XxHarmonicNightsxX
"Of course, I had assumed you were a woman based on all your feminist ideology."
Yes. Assumed based on a pre-concieved scheme. This is known as a cognitive bias. Humans will look for traits which will confirm pre-concieved ideas, while discarding those which do the opposit. We have a trend towards positive bias of our ideas and often have difficulty discarding old views.
This is true of us all.
Your further points seem to emphasise this.
Grysham 1 year ago
@Grysham "Yes. Assumed based on a pre-concieved scheme."
A man who is a feminist is like a black man in the KKK.
XxHarmonicNightsxX 1 year ago
@XxHarmonicNightsxX
Also, while true that there are some VERY MILD gender induced differences based on physiology, the point I'm trying to make is that either gender and any person from any group can always perform or excel in an area not typical to their group.
Within psychology, we recgonise that statistical group trends don't really give us much information. We apply (as humans) a scheme to a statistical majority which then becomes a sterotyped point of view. This often induces...
Grysham 1 year ago
@XxHarmonicNightsxX
(continued)
... pre-concieved judgements of those we percieve as being part of the group, inherrantly placing a bias in our judgement of their capabilities which can infuence whichever nieche of society we fill towards a biased attitude, policy or trend towards this group.
There are COUNTLESS examples of this with great deals of research to back up such cognitive bias.
(continued)
Grysham 1 year ago
@XxHarmonicNightsxX
(continued)
The main point is, such notions as grouping individuals in our society doesn't actually tell you very much about them OR their capabilities. I could group a countries population by eye color, make an analysis of statistical significance for a particular thing one does over another and then draw a line of best fit.
Does that mean certain eye colored people are better at certain things? No. It just means statistics are far more complicated than we think.
Grysham 1 year ago
@Grysham Once again, I never stated someone couldn't or shouldn't set out to do what is normally associated with the opposite gender. MOST gender "stereotypes" come from our inherited biological nature. Your example of language and attitude is irrelevant. Of course people are going to speak the language they are taught and have certain attitudes that they were brought up with. Femininity and masculinity are biological. Two genders wouldn't even be needed if we were exactly the same.
XxHarmonicNightsxX 1 year ago
@XxHarmonicNightsxX
"Your example of language and attitude is irrelevant. Of course people are going to speak the language they are taught and have certain attitudes that they were brought up with"
Yes. As you say "of course". But this isn't ireelevant, its exceptionally RELEVANT. If you're raised in a society in which the views of your peers are that certain genders take up certain roles, you are going to be influenced towards conformity.
If nursing is viewed as "feminin" less males will...
Grysham 1 year ago
@XxHarmonicNightsxX
(continued)
... will be inclined towards it. Why? Because the notion of doing something "feminin" in most western society is often accompanied with the negative connotations of redicule. America is a good example of this, where a number of films show this phenomena in action. The best is "meet the parents" in which the main character is a male nurse and this is viewed as a funny, almost rediculous element of his character, mocked by the other main characters.
Grysham 1 year ago