i made so many comments on this vid, buut i just got a large prong collar. and there were 8 links on it. n i took off 3. cus my Gurlie is still a puppy but im pretty sure she'll get big. her neck is 15 inches. n shes a rottweiler mix i think. but what size is johnny's neck and what size did u get for him and how many links were left on there?
Depending on the size of the dog, how hard the dog pulls, and how forcefully the person holding the leash yanks, choke collars can cause partial or complete fore- or hind-limb paralysis from spinal cord injuries.
@SelfAware1 you obviously havent seen the images that i have seen off open bloody wounds on the dogs necks, and also the animal authority are questioning these collars as we speak, if you saw what i saw you would cringe , they are pure disgusting and anybody using these are wayyyy out of line, id love to use it on a human to see how they feel when tugged at the throat by these collars !!!! sick fucks!!!
"Mimicking the mother's dog bite" is NOT science at all. And in fact, the science behind the use of prong collars shows the opposite of what you're saying. Do some research -- it's not about hating prong collars, it's about not using force and pain to train your dog.
That collar is too loose, the prong should ride high and tight around the neck. There should be very little slack. Slack = the collar could fall apart with a hard correction.
I needed to find a video on attaching a Prong/Pinch Collar. You had the the same collar I have to this dog Im walking, so I thought I would watch your video on how to put them on. All the others didnt do close ups. The only problem with yours, is that the camera was away when you were doing it. I know you only had one hand, but it didnt help me in attaching..... I hope I can do it later.
Thank You for the awesome video. I also prefer the prong collar to the traditional choke collar. The only problem that I came across is that my collar kept falling off, but that was basically because i don't think I had the correct prong collar like you have with the "quick release". Do you happen to have a particular make/model that you prefer?
Oh how I love ignorant comments :) If you knew anything about prong collars, you would know that pain and fear are NOT involved. And of course mother dogs don't teach their pups to walk on leashes you silly person!!!!
@firegirl221 I tryed this haha and my dog was a farm dog as a pup that wondered on a farm from the age of a few weeks and it was never really with the mom I thought well it must be a instinct and tryed it and he turned around the first correction and bite me hahahaha
@firegirl221 you obviously havent seen the images that i have seen off open bloody wounds on the dogs necks, and also the animal authority are questioning these collars as we speak, if you saw what i saw you would cringe , they are pure disgusting and anybody using these are wayyyy out of line, id love to use it on a human to see how they feel when tugged at the throat by these collars !!!!
OF COURSE they are effective. So is shock. But the most effective way IS to train your dog what you want him to do, not correct him for what he doesn't know is wrong. TEACH your dog how to walk nicely on leash. See Turid Rugaas. then you don't need pain or fear. BTW - no mother dog ever taught her pup to walk on a loose leash.
Horribe horrible things, should be BANNED, Biggest load of crap!! drama queen!! My foot. IT HURTS!!! GET OFF THE DOMINANCE AND LEARN SOME POSTIVE DOG TRAINING!!!!!!!!!!
They are not horrible things, and there's no reason to ban prong collars neither. They are very effective if used correctly. You simply give a light tug to correct the dogs behavior. It does not pinch or puncture the dogs skin, it's giving off equal pressure to let the dog know he/she cannot do that.
They may look dangerous, but I assure you it isn't. I tested it out on my arm and gave a quick and gentle tug and it's painless.
@SeaCoastGirl1987 I tested it on my own NECK. And I agree, it's not dangerous, even with a good amount of force used, it's no different than one dog biting another.
@Papillonslurchers Here's why positive training will never work. You hold a treat in your pocket...let's say on a 1-10 scale it holds a value of 6...when your dog sees a cat running, and deems chasing the cat holds a value of 10? Your dog is roadkill. You can never make a treat any "better" than it is. BUT, you can make a correction as "negative" as you want it to be. You can make a correction a -11 and that'll win against the value of the cat.
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom You're a dumbass. Yes prong collars can work, but it should never be used to abuse a dog into compliance. And actually, correcting a dog harshly when they are in prey drive mode doesn't work that well, and you can thrash on the leash as hard as you want, it doesn't mean it will work. Maybe on a sensitive dog, but not a tough dog with severe aggression or obsessive behaviour. And any type of training, positive or not, will only work if done properly.
@Sakura93Chan You prove your level of intelligence off the bat by your language. You could've easily offered a rebuttal based on science or experience training dogs rather than be childish..."93" is probably the year you were born. There's no such thing as "prey drive mode" it's prey drive. And correcting a dog in prey drive works just fine, it's how most people teach the bark and hold. You've probably never seen a "tough" dog working with your pound mutts son.
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom Wow, whatever, you obviously knew what I meant. By the way, I've handled hundreds of dogs, and I know what a tough dog is. Unless you've got a lot of strength in your legs and arms, you can't correct a dog hard enough if he's going after something he really wants to kill. That's no way to train a dog anyways. There's more to positive training than shoving a treat in front of a dog's face, and you should probably find out more before you comment on that.
@Sakura93Chan hundreds of dogs at 18 years old? Lol, yeah. I bet. I've bought, imported, trained, and sold more working dogs (Gsd, Malinois, Dutch Shepherd) than you'll ever see unless you get a job at a similar sized kennel to what mine was. 20 runs, heated and cooled, 8 more on the back for dogs in training, 3 puppy yards, a fullsized Schutzhund field, and a track to run the dogs on for exercise. There's nothing about dog training I could "find out" from you.
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom I'm not 18, I'm 21. Oooh wow, 20 runs good for you. Try 48 runs. I've seen it all. Say what you want, obviously your mind is closed to anything different to what you do. Try walking one of your shcutzhund dogs on a daily basis in a suburban neighbourhood, I bet it'll be harder than you think. You ever trained pet dogs? The average dog? It's not as easy as you make it sound, pinch collar or not. Working dogs are cool, but it's no use to the average people
@Sakura93Chan 48 runs, yeah, sure. Yeah, 21, much better than 18. You've seen it all. How many dogs have you titled? Names please so we can view their scores. -crickets chirp- in other words you can talk it all but never did anything. I live in a suburban neighborhood and walk my dogs daily! I also have a rescued Chihuahua, I'm pretty sure she counts as a "pet dog" and I've had several other rescues over the years (a Dachshund, several APBTs, a Chihuahua/Jack Russell mix, etc)...
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom YES, 48 runs. Not MY facility, I just worked there full-time for 2.5 years. Besides rare breeds, I've seen them all. And please get over the age thing. Many start as junior handlers and such, it doesn't mean they suck, they're just not adults yet. Sheesh... but whatever, every person has to start somewhere, obviously you think that's a problem. I don't have titles yet, but I intend to. How many have you got, and in what sports, competitions, shows, etc?
@Sakura93Chan Does it hurt? Being so full of bovine excrement? I've been importing working line GSDs and Malinois in this country while your peers only interest was feeling eachother up on the school bus. For somebody who admits 0 experience you do a disservice to dogs and training by giving your limited and baseless opinions. If you want to actually know what you're talking about shut up and listen sometimes instead of talking and making up BS as you go along.
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom Oh my, aren't you a big, important person? But really, if you had any intention to make me listen or convince me of anything, you have totally failed. You're nothing but a pushy, one-sided asshole. I feel bad for you, your dogs, and anyone who has to put up with your close-mindedness and other awful qualities. And if this is how you treat people who disagree with you, I never want to know how you treat a dog that disobeys or makes mistakes.
@Sakura93Chan You holier than thou dog trainers who've never trained a dog to compete in anything ever always know best because you never have to stand next to your peers and be beaten into a dismal pulp with failure. ABC, Karen Pryor trainers, all of these Stillwell "trainers" who don't "train" anything are all a joke. My goal was to highlight the punchline. I think I did well. You criticize but turn out to be a 21 year old who's never trained a dog for shit. PERFECT illustration!
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom Actually, lots of positive reinforcement only trainers do train to compete, scoring high in obedience trials, tracking, agility, flyball, herding, you name it. And just take a look at dogs in musical freestyle, frisbee, dock-diving, etc. They are happy and enthusiastic without ever needing correction. You may think I'm clueless, but really, I've seen different methods of training, and it's obvious when one method is more effective over another.
@Sakura93Chan And besides all that, there is a huge difference between obedience, competitions, etc. and behaviour training. Behaviour training has nothing to do with performing, obedience commands, accuracy, etc. It's way different, and there are extremely effective methods that do not require harsh corrections, punishment, or anything of the sort. You also do not need a clicker, or treats, or anything of THAT sort either.
@Sakura93Chan Of course, and I use marker training as well. Rewarding good behavior does NOT eliminate the bad. That is why you cannot train a dog using positive reinforcement only. But, when you actually train a dog and realize the dog sometimes would rather ignore you and your reward for something else, then you'll see why corrections will always have their place in dog training.
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom Depends what you mean by 'bad' behaviour. If you're training a stable dog, then he can easily learn to obey you in any situation, without correction. Working for the handler becomes rewarding in itself. Problem dogs are different. Working in an environment that triggers stress/anxiety in them makes it impossible for them to 'obey'. Correcting them for feeling stressed isn't really fair. But through B.A.T. you give them an easier way of coping with stress
@Sakura93Chan With enough repetition, they will begin to choose the 'easier' coping method, rather than ignoring commands to lunge/bark/growl at something. If you feel you 'have' to correct your dog to make him pay attention and work, then something is wrong with the relationship. If you fulfill your dog's needs and train consistently in all situations, there's no reason he should not want to listen to you. I'm not necessarily against correction I just don't think it HAS to be done
@Sakura93Chan Incorrect completely and totally. Only fools think dogs try to please them. Dogs only seek to please themselves. In training they work to avoid correction, or to gain reward, nothing else. PERIOD. Your method of training is to...not train. "Well eventually the dog will choose the easier method"...explain that to the people who've had a dog who's barked and lunged for the last 10 or 15 years! Behavior stops when you stop it. If not, it continues on.
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom If work is fun for them, then that's why they will work. Look up Janice Gunn if you want to see competition dogs working/training happily, no correction. And I guess you've never heard of B.A.T. You teach the dog that by using calming signals (lip lick, head turn, body shake) he can have the same reward (safe distance, feeling secure) as he would if he were to lunge/bark/growl and otherwise act inappropriately. It's extremely effective for reactive/fearful/aggressive dogs.
@Sakura93Chan If you never do anything differently though, of course the dog will use the method that he knows to make himself feel safe or fulfilled. That's why people have dogs that lunge and bark for their entire lives XD Dogs don't just change and make a different decision one day.
@Sakura93Chan Calming signals aye? You realize all of that stuff is BS that only vegan weirdos believe in right? Janice Gunn is nobody, just another yuppy hippy woman who wants to be published in another nonsense BS book. Let's look at the top 10 trainers in AKC obedience and Sch and I bet they all use compulsion. Helmut Raiser has won more trials than anyone and is notoriously hard on dogs. Heck he lost points for correcting a dog in the BSP! Argue with results? You can't!
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom Wow, really stickin' to your guns eh? It's not BS, it truly works - I've seen improvement in my dog using BAT for a couple weeks, where with correction I was getting nowhere. And honestly, I don't feel comfortable correcting my dog in public, so it was a waste of time, and I'm sure lots of people feel the same way. You get too many hateful glares. I don't give a crap about results if you have to abuse a dog to get them. Where's your sensitivity for animals?
@Sakura93Chan My guns work, if you're more comfortable with your movie guns and fake bullets keep on keepin' on. If you use those BS methods on your dogs I bet a hundred bucks that I could get your dogs to break a down stay in about 2.8 seconds...and if I can, a kid or cat could. If they can, it's a real possibility your dog would ignore you and go right into a street. I suggest you use leashed 24/7 when out. On the other hand I like having 100% control. I'll stick to that.
@Sakura93Chan And if you think a correction is abuse it's because you either don't know dog poop about training or you've been around some jerks who don't do it right. Most corrections I give are very light. Hard ones only come when adult dogs who KNOW what is expected of them purposely do other wise. If your dog knows WHY you correct him, he doesn't get corrected often. I'm assuming when you corrected yours, your timing was bad, hence you had to do it a lot. That's not normal.
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom You sound like a bit of a control freak! At this point, yes, my dogs are always leashed, unless we are in a safe place. I don't think corrections in general are abusive, I understand fully that corrections teach a dog responsibility for his actions. I think it's abusive when you HAVE to use hard corrections in order to make them obey, or to stop unwanted behaviour, especially when it's caused by anxiety/fear or lack of fulfillment. That's just unfair and cruel.
@Sakura93Chan As for correcting problem behaviours.. I've had no luck. When my Shepherd sees another dog it does not matter what I do to her. I haved tried harsh corrections on choke and prong collars. I can whip her body around by the neck and she will go right back at it. She knows her commands, but she doesn't give a crap about that, or corrections and that's why, in my opinion, corrections are not that effective in dealing with complex behaviour issues. Maybe simple problems... but that's it
it's just 5 seems like a little low for the prongs. cus it doesnt go all the way around her neck. it's just i dont want it sliding down. u know? lol.
Amandork456 1 week ago
i made so many comments on this vid, buut i just got a large prong collar. and there were 8 links on it. n i took off 3. cus my Gurlie is still a puppy but im pretty sure she'll get big. her neck is 15 inches. n shes a rottweiler mix i think. but what size is johnny's neck and what size did u get for him and how many links were left on there?
Amandork456 1 week ago
i thought it needs to be high up right behind the ears?
Amandork456 1 week ago
your dog is soooo adorable <3
Amandork456 1 week ago
Depending on the size of the dog, how hard the dog pulls, and how forcefully the person holding the leash yanks, choke collars can cause partial or complete fore- or hind-limb paralysis from spinal cord injuries.
MsLabMom 1 month ago
@MsLabMom if the prong collar is used properly then those injuries will never occur.
SelfAware1 1 month ago
thats fuckin disgusting u horrible cruel idiots, id look to hook that on ur damn necks and see if u like it
, they may cry??? being a drama queen u dumb bitch its hurtin himmmmmmm
Revengance2k9 1 month ago
@Revengance2k9 You are very ignorant. Did you see how loving and comfortable her dog was? Get off your high horse and learn what your talking about.
SelfAware1 1 month ago
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@SelfAware1 you obviously havent seen the images that i have seen off open bloody wounds on the dogs necks, and also the animal authority are questioning these collars as we speak, if you saw what i saw you would cringe , they are pure disgusting and anybody using these are wayyyy out of line, id love to use it on a human to see how they feel when tugged at the throat by these collars !!!! sick fucks!!!
Revengance2k9 3 weeks ago
your dog is so calm! i love her/his energy!!!!!!!!!!!
FvckOffDorks 1 month ago
"Mimicking the mother's dog bite" is NOT science at all. And in fact, the science behind the use of prong collars shows the opposite of what you're saying. Do some research -- it's not about hating prong collars, it's about not using force and pain to train your dog.
megzbully 1 month ago
I suffer watching your poor dog trying not to fall asleep! :D
But my beloved pitbull needs one of this collars right away.
elnono6 2 months ago
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Why not step into the 21st century and use positive methods based on the science of learning, and obtain fabulous results ?
People who don't obtain good results with positive methods are just not using the methods correctly.
I'm glad prong collars are illegal in my country... ;-)
AgilityFox 2 months ago 2
That collar is too loose, the prong should ride high and tight around the neck. There should be very little slack. Slack = the collar could fall apart with a hard correction.
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 2 months ago
This woman is a fucktard. Do not do what she is saying.
blankohiostate 3 months ago
I needed to find a video on attaching a Prong/Pinch Collar. You had the the same collar I have to this dog Im walking, so I thought I would watch your video on how to put them on. All the others didnt do close ups. The only problem with yours, is that the camera was away when you were doing it. I know you only had one hand, but it didnt help me in attaching..... I hope I can do it later.
Christinaknots 4 months ago
Thank You for the awesome video. I also prefer the prong collar to the traditional choke collar. The only problem that I came across is that my collar kept falling off, but that was basically because i don't think I had the correct prong collar like you have with the "quick release". Do you happen to have a particular make/model that you prefer?
bigny56 4 months ago
Only the PETA wackos think prong collars are cruel. If used correctly, they're an excellent training tool.
Dionysius18 4 months ago
Oh how I love ignorant comments :) If you knew anything about prong collars, you would know that pain and fear are NOT involved. And of course mother dogs don't teach their pups to walk on leashes you silly person!!!!
firegirl221 5 months ago
@firegirl221 I tryed this haha and my dog was a farm dog as a pup that wondered on a farm from the age of a few weeks and it was never really with the mom I thought well it must be a instinct and tryed it and he turned around the first correction and bite me hahahaha
AmericanPitbulls1 4 months ago
@firegirl221 you obviously havent seen the images that i have seen off open bloody wounds on the dogs necks, and also the animal authority are questioning these collars as we speak, if you saw what i saw you would cringe , they are pure disgusting and anybody using these are wayyyy out of line, id love to use it on a human to see how they feel when tugged at the throat by these collars !!!!
Revengance2k9 3 weeks ago
OF COURSE they are effective. So is shock. But the most effective way IS to train your dog what you want him to do, not correct him for what he doesn't know is wrong. TEACH your dog how to walk nicely on leash. See Turid Rugaas. then you don't need pain or fear. BTW - no mother dog ever taught her pup to walk on a loose leash.
musicofnote1 5 months ago 2
Horribe horrible things, should be BANNED, Biggest load of crap!! drama queen!! My foot. IT HURTS!!! GET OFF THE DOMINANCE AND LEARN SOME POSTIVE DOG TRAINING!!!!!!!!!!
Papillonslurchers 5 months ago
@Papillonslurchers
They are not horrible things, and there's no reason to ban prong collars neither. They are very effective if used correctly. You simply give a light tug to correct the dogs behavior. It does not pinch or puncture the dogs skin, it's giving off equal pressure to let the dog know he/she cannot do that.
They may look dangerous, but I assure you it isn't. I tested it out on my arm and gave a quick and gentle tug and it's painless.
SeaCoastGirl1987 4 months ago
@SeaCoastGirl1987 I tested it on my own NECK. And I agree, it's not dangerous, even with a good amount of force used, it's no different than one dog biting another.
Sakura93Chan 1 month ago
@Papillonslurchers Do you really belive that, in nature, a dog just tell's another "nicely" if he wanna do something? Cause no, they dont.
Dogs do things that the alpha tells them to do, and with BODY language. That means physical domination.
If you want to train a dog, you need to use they own language, and thats what the prong collar (used PROPERLY) do.
You can use the choke collars, but they can also hurt the dog if not used properly.
And remember: even a normal collar CAN hurt the dog.
MarianneTheWhiteWolf 4 months ago
@Papillonslurchers Here's why positive training will never work. You hold a treat in your pocket...let's say on a 1-10 scale it holds a value of 6...when your dog sees a cat running, and deems chasing the cat holds a value of 10? Your dog is roadkill. You can never make a treat any "better" than it is. BUT, you can make a correction as "negative" as you want it to be. You can make a correction a -11 and that'll win against the value of the cat.
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 2 months ago
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom You're a dumbass. Yes prong collars can work, but it should never be used to abuse a dog into compliance. And actually, correcting a dog harshly when they are in prey drive mode doesn't work that well, and you can thrash on the leash as hard as you want, it doesn't mean it will work. Maybe on a sensitive dog, but not a tough dog with severe aggression or obsessive behaviour. And any type of training, positive or not, will only work if done properly.
Sakura93Chan 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan You prove your level of intelligence off the bat by your language. You could've easily offered a rebuttal based on science or experience training dogs rather than be childish..."93" is probably the year you were born. There's no such thing as "prey drive mode" it's prey drive. And correcting a dog in prey drive works just fine, it's how most people teach the bark and hold. You've probably never seen a "tough" dog working with your pound mutts son.
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 1 month ago
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom Wow, whatever, you obviously knew what I meant. By the way, I've handled hundreds of dogs, and I know what a tough dog is. Unless you've got a lot of strength in your legs and arms, you can't correct a dog hard enough if he's going after something he really wants to kill. That's no way to train a dog anyways. There's more to positive training than shoving a treat in front of a dog's face, and you should probably find out more before you comment on that.
Sakura93Chan 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan hundreds of dogs at 18 years old? Lol, yeah. I bet. I've bought, imported, trained, and sold more working dogs (Gsd, Malinois, Dutch Shepherd) than you'll ever see unless you get a job at a similar sized kennel to what mine was. 20 runs, heated and cooled, 8 more on the back for dogs in training, 3 puppy yards, a fullsized Schutzhund field, and a track to run the dogs on for exercise. There's nothing about dog training I could "find out" from you.
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 1 month ago
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom I'm not 18, I'm 21. Oooh wow, 20 runs good for you. Try 48 runs. I've seen it all. Say what you want, obviously your mind is closed to anything different to what you do. Try walking one of your shcutzhund dogs on a daily basis in a suburban neighbourhood, I bet it'll be harder than you think. You ever trained pet dogs? The average dog? It's not as easy as you make it sound, pinch collar or not. Working dogs are cool, but it's no use to the average people
Sakura93Chan 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan 48 runs, yeah, sure. Yeah, 21, much better than 18. You've seen it all. How many dogs have you titled? Names please so we can view their scores. -crickets chirp- in other words you can talk it all but never did anything. I live in a suburban neighborhood and walk my dogs daily! I also have a rescued Chihuahua, I'm pretty sure she counts as a "pet dog" and I've had several other rescues over the years (a Dachshund, several APBTs, a Chihuahua/Jack Russell mix, etc)...
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 1 month ago
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom YES, 48 runs. Not MY facility, I just worked there full-time for 2.5 years. Besides rare breeds, I've seen them all. And please get over the age thing. Many start as junior handlers and such, it doesn't mean they suck, they're just not adults yet. Sheesh... but whatever, every person has to start somewhere, obviously you think that's a problem. I don't have titles yet, but I intend to. How many have you got, and in what sports, competitions, shows, etc?
Sakura93Chan 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan Does it hurt? Being so full of bovine excrement? I've been importing working line GSDs and Malinois in this country while your peers only interest was feeling eachother up on the school bus. For somebody who admits 0 experience you do a disservice to dogs and training by giving your limited and baseless opinions. If you want to actually know what you're talking about shut up and listen sometimes instead of talking and making up BS as you go along.
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 1 month ago
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom Oh my, aren't you a big, important person? But really, if you had any intention to make me listen or convince me of anything, you have totally failed. You're nothing but a pushy, one-sided asshole. I feel bad for you, your dogs, and anyone who has to put up with your close-mindedness and other awful qualities. And if this is how you treat people who disagree with you, I never want to know how you treat a dog that disobeys or makes mistakes.
Sakura93Chan 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan You holier than thou dog trainers who've never trained a dog to compete in anything ever always know best because you never have to stand next to your peers and be beaten into a dismal pulp with failure. ABC, Karen Pryor trainers, all of these Stillwell "trainers" who don't "train" anything are all a joke. My goal was to highlight the punchline. I think I did well. You criticize but turn out to be a 21 year old who's never trained a dog for shit. PERFECT illustration!
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan And don't feel sorry for my dogs! Their jobs pay better than yours. Their training pays off!
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 1 month ago
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom Actually, lots of positive reinforcement only trainers do train to compete, scoring high in obedience trials, tracking, agility, flyball, herding, you name it. And just take a look at dogs in musical freestyle, frisbee, dock-diving, etc. They are happy and enthusiastic without ever needing correction. You may think I'm clueless, but really, I've seen different methods of training, and it's obvious when one method is more effective over another.
Sakura93Chan 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan And besides all that, there is a huge difference between obedience, competitions, etc. and behaviour training. Behaviour training has nothing to do with performing, obedience commands, accuracy, etc. It's way different, and there are extremely effective methods that do not require harsh corrections, punishment, or anything of the sort. You also do not need a clicker, or treats, or anything of THAT sort either.
Sakura93Chan 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan Of course, and I use marker training as well. Rewarding good behavior does NOT eliminate the bad. That is why you cannot train a dog using positive reinforcement only. But, when you actually train a dog and realize the dog sometimes would rather ignore you and your reward for something else, then you'll see why corrections will always have their place in dog training.
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 1 month ago
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom Depends what you mean by 'bad' behaviour. If you're training a stable dog, then he can easily learn to obey you in any situation, without correction. Working for the handler becomes rewarding in itself. Problem dogs are different. Working in an environment that triggers stress/anxiety in them makes it impossible for them to 'obey'. Correcting them for feeling stressed isn't really fair. But through B.A.T. you give them an easier way of coping with stress
Sakura93Chan 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan With enough repetition, they will begin to choose the 'easier' coping method, rather than ignoring commands to lunge/bark/growl at something. If you feel you 'have' to correct your dog to make him pay attention and work, then something is wrong with the relationship. If you fulfill your dog's needs and train consistently in all situations, there's no reason he should not want to listen to you. I'm not necessarily against correction I just don't think it HAS to be done
Sakura93Chan 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan Incorrect completely and totally. Only fools think dogs try to please them. Dogs only seek to please themselves. In training they work to avoid correction, or to gain reward, nothing else. PERIOD. Your method of training is to...not train. "Well eventually the dog will choose the easier method"...explain that to the people who've had a dog who's barked and lunged for the last 10 or 15 years! Behavior stops when you stop it. If not, it continues on.
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 1 month ago
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom If work is fun for them, then that's why they will work. Look up Janice Gunn if you want to see competition dogs working/training happily, no correction. And I guess you've never heard of B.A.T. You teach the dog that by using calming signals (lip lick, head turn, body shake) he can have the same reward (safe distance, feeling secure) as he would if he were to lunge/bark/growl and otherwise act inappropriately. It's extremely effective for reactive/fearful/aggressive dogs.
Sakura93Chan 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan If you never do anything differently though, of course the dog will use the method that he knows to make himself feel safe or fulfilled. That's why people have dogs that lunge and bark for their entire lives XD Dogs don't just change and make a different decision one day.
Sakura93Chan 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan Calming signals aye? You realize all of that stuff is BS that only vegan weirdos believe in right? Janice Gunn is nobody, just another yuppy hippy woman who wants to be published in another nonsense BS book. Let's look at the top 10 trainers in AKC obedience and Sch and I bet they all use compulsion. Helmut Raiser has won more trials than anyone and is notoriously hard on dogs. Heck he lost points for correcting a dog in the BSP! Argue with results? You can't!
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 1 month ago
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom Wow, really stickin' to your guns eh? It's not BS, it truly works - I've seen improvement in my dog using BAT for a couple weeks, where with correction I was getting nowhere. And honestly, I don't feel comfortable correcting my dog in public, so it was a waste of time, and I'm sure lots of people feel the same way. You get too many hateful glares. I don't give a crap about results if you have to abuse a dog to get them. Where's your sensitivity for animals?
Sakura93Chan 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan My guns work, if you're more comfortable with your movie guns and fake bullets keep on keepin' on. If you use those BS methods on your dogs I bet a hundred bucks that I could get your dogs to break a down stay in about 2.8 seconds...and if I can, a kid or cat could. If they can, it's a real possibility your dog would ignore you and go right into a street. I suggest you use leashed 24/7 when out. On the other hand I like having 100% control. I'll stick to that.
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 1 month ago
@Sakura93Chan And if you think a correction is abuse it's because you either don't know dog poop about training or you've been around some jerks who don't do it right. Most corrections I give are very light. Hard ones only come when adult dogs who KNOW what is expected of them purposely do other wise. If your dog knows WHY you correct him, he doesn't get corrected often. I'm assuming when you corrected yours, your timing was bad, hence you had to do it a lot. That's not normal.
K9ProSportUSAdotcom 1 month ago
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom You sound like a bit of a control freak! At this point, yes, my dogs are always leashed, unless we are in a safe place. I don't think corrections in general are abusive, I understand fully that corrections teach a dog responsibility for his actions. I think it's abusive when you HAVE to use hard corrections in order to make them obey, or to stop unwanted behaviour, especially when it's caused by anxiety/fear or lack of fulfillment. That's just unfair and cruel.
Sakura93Chan 4 weeks ago
@Sakura93Chan As for correcting problem behaviours.. I've had no luck. When my Shepherd sees another dog it does not matter what I do to her. I haved tried harsh corrections on choke and prong collars. I can whip her body around by the neck and she will go right back at it. She knows her commands, but she doesn't give a crap about that, or corrections and that's why, in my opinion, corrections are not that effective in dealing with complex behaviour issues. Maybe simple problems... but that's it
Sakura93Chan 4 weeks ago
@K9ProSportUSAdotcom I have never heard a legitimate response to this very logical very effective argument. Well said.
mebooradley 1 month ago
lol @ him falling asleep at the end of the video!
firegirl221 10 months ago