"I will die for seventh day Adventist ". Well that's the problem there! Your not supposed to die for religion. Lol Jesus died for you . I'm sorry you left SDA ;(
Persons who are troubled in life, whether its an abusive childhood or a broken domestic relationship most likely end up in this predicament when they haven't totally surrendered to Christ. I'm not saying I know the cases of these people but especially third and fourth generation believers leave because they rely on FAMILY relationship to get saved instead of a PERSONAL relationship with Jesus. They are in grave danger of looking to others to be saved.
THESE TESTIMONIES JUST CAN'T CONVINCE OR DISCOURAGE ME! WHEN PERSONS DON'T HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST THEY ARE LIKELY TO FALL AWAY! NO CHURCH CAN SAVE BUT YOUR OBEDIENCE TO CHRIST THROUGH HIS SAVING GRACE CAN SAVE. FAITH AND WORKS GO HAND IN HAND. SDA'S WATCHING THIS VIDEO PLS DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED. THE WORD OF GOD SAYS THAT IN THE LAST DAYS SOME (LIKE THESE) SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH GIVING HEED TO SEDUCING SPIRITS AND DOCTRINES OF DEVILS - 1 TIMOTHY 4:1.
People need to learn that Adventist DO NOT think that going to church on Sabbath gets you into heaven. They believe you are only judged by what you know. Also about the law, you should keep the law because you love God and he loves you. Everyone has sinned and fallen short of eternal life, but its Gods grace that allows us to have eternal life if we accept his grace.
I had an ex boy friend friend who was and still is a SDA. I could not comprehen their beliefs. I once said "does it really matter what day you worship God?" and he was angry with me. We were not married and our relationship was not plutonic. As time went on I lost respect for him as he was not following the teachings of Christ. He would borrow money and never repay me. He would drive a car and suffer road rage where I was afraid he would crash the vehical. I am now an atheist !
@ikinmoore Hi! it sounds like he need a priest to preform a exorcism.. Ha Ha Please dont ever mention priest to him, he will flip out.
None of us are perfect, and most are hypocrites. That the problem with the old cov of law it makes lairs out of us. you should have said, Remember ur a sda & the investigative Judgment is at your door step. As Paul said, attempting to keep oc of law stirs something up in us, we break it, bc focus is on law & not Christ
Really !!!! So you have suffered in the hands of a religious nutter. This is what religion does to you. They believe the catholic faith is the mark of 666. They(all religions) like to brainwash you into accepting a supernatural "diety" who murdered millions in the OT. If you are a Christian then you must believe that your "diety" murdered, enslaved people with out just cause. What a horrible God he is !!! Does he exist no he does not !
i know a few seventh day adventists, and some of them are the biggest hypocrites i know. i know alot who are the most sexually immoral, most hooked on drugs, and at the same time think going to church on a saturday can cover up for their actions during the week
@hearteyhonkii So just because of a few people you are going to condemn the Adventist church? There are hypocrites in every church including the one you go to. Don't kid yourself.
PEOPLE! PEOPLE! the pope is not the Antichrist and Sunday is NOT the mark of the beast. the beast is the "AL Mahdi" and the false prophet is the Isa the Islamic Jesus (possibly the pope). look it up for yourself. Also the wicked will be in torments FOREVER! the bible says and the smoke of their torments rises UP FOREVER AND EVER, THEY HAVE "NO" REST DAY OR NIGHT in the lake of fire.
Um, I don't get how these Ex- Adventists can say all these things. I have been raised as a SDA and I have never been taught that the SDA church is the only good church. I don't know what church these people went to but it doesn't sound like an SDA Church to me. I'm a 16 year old PK who has a lot to learn but even I know that, that is not how Adventists think and believe. Yes there are very strict Adventists like my grandma and my Dad Lol, but they don't think like that either.Justsaying.
@TheMsBrasil I always wondered what it's like to be a PK. When I was young at church the PK's never quite fit in like the rest of the youth, probably because they change church every few years, I don't know
I'm not SDA (mainly because of EG White) but mainstream Christianity is so full of nonsense, I can't describe my disgust in it. Their rock 'n roll Jesus and false Catholic doctrines of hell, immortal soul and Catholic holidays are nonsense.
hell is a catholic doctrine? It was Jesus who spoke more about hell then anyone else in the bible. I do agree that mainstream Christianity has quite a bit of nonsense these days, that could be why we're referred to as the lukewarm generation.
@Myhopeisinhim I love when people say that Jesus spoke more about "hell" than anyone else when in face He NEVER mentions eternal torture. He states plain and simple that the righeous inherit eternal life and the unjust PERISH (Jn 3:16) or are DESTROYED (Mt. 10:28) in GEHENNA at the 2nd coming.
Hell is an Anglo-Saxon word stemming from the Norse goddess Hel which is basically the equivilent of the Greek god Hades. Hell/Hades means the grave. Nothing more.
Maybe youve done wrong to the church and you were disfellow for such action . And diddnt like it so yopu leave the truth for the exchange of lies... You put your life in the side of Gods enemy . Catholic are Not obeying Gods Law they change the Sabbath from saturday to sunday. They dont have authority to do that , Only God has the right to change it.. You are so much blind Study the holy bible tyhen you will know the truth .
Wake up people you should consider these reason before leaving Seventh day adventist. 1 . is the church you exchange for is really obeying Gods Law , 2. Are they worshipping in God sabbath which is Saturday? If not im sure all of you picked the wrong way.... Say for example Catholic is not worshipping the true sabbath of God , they even made alot of graven image which God never permitted ,. Now tell me are you sure you are in the right way ?
i guess because they are taught that the vatican created islam and that they created it to take the focus off themselves...advemtists now refuse to examine the option that the antichrist could come from islam or another group other than the papacy.
Its scary how people are unwilling to look at further possibilities even though certain things they try to claim about the papacy, like the ten horns don't fit. Its like that is what my church says and thats final.
The big problem that main denominations is, especially the ones that claim they are the r eminent church (sorry denomination) They are locked into a box! (brain-washed you could say) And never ? is this so? Is this right?
When one steps out side this closed box, look at it from the outside, thats when they can see an error, & say what was I thinking
As 2 Islam - beast, it seems to fit, but I am not saying 4-sure
Sorry but there is NO WAY that the antichrist could be anyone but the Christian Church. Both the papacy & ALL Sunday keeping Churches.
Here is PROOF that you will have to deal with if you are serious. Ok here goes. Do we agree that the 42 months in Revelation 13:5 is the same time period as the 1,260 days (years) in Revelation 12:6? Yes or no?
If you can answer this question honestly, I will PROVE to you that this same number is first mentioned in THE CHURCH!
thank you for revealing the truth about Jesus Christ as the only Saviour and Lord ... there is truly none like Him. Praise the Lord that He has glorified His truth through your lives. elaine.canada
the Bible is the Bible is the Bible is the Bible. I commend Adventists for being a Bible-focused church. Read the Word which is life, make your life about the Word, and you will have life.
Just look and compare Sevent Day adventist to all dinomination there and tell me who is following Gods commandments and has tetimony of jesus Christ. Whos church today is preaching about his ten commandments and the Gospel of Jesus christ? pls my friend dont waste your life on going with people who are not following the law of God .
Distinguish root & fruit. Root of Christian is faith in Christ, trusting in Christ everything comes from that. Fruit is always obedience, but obedience is not perfect, because we are not, ask forgiveness of trespasses, not willing we all stumble
Paul rightfully says Serve in the new way of the Spirit & not in the old way of the written code. Congratulations! putting yourself under the Old Cov of LAW That was 2 lead us TO Christ & UNTIL Christ, we are no longer UNDER the supervision of the LAW
Christ fulfilled the law & by faith I am excepted in the beloved. He died 4 me,in my place He stood sealed me with His Blood
Reversing sanctification & justification Attempting 2 fulfill OC law as a method of salvation by own works to be justified, then Christ has no effect on U & will remain under OC law, UR lost (judged by the very OC law that U claim)
Law is not fulfilled by you! It's Christ in you that fulfills the law
He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not
You guys are just become blind where do you think God will base His judgement on judgement day . Im sure it will be base on His Ten Commandments . And sabbath is one of His commandment and a sign of His people.
@jvfllr197 You should read about that Mat 25. Answer this question : In this text, based on what Jesus will accept you into the kingdom of heaven? If the Sabbath was important, do not you think that Jesus would have spoken in its various descriptions of the events of the end? The presentation of the Sabbath as God's seal is supported nowhere in the scriptures! Only the Holy Spirit is the seal.
@jvfllr197 On 10 c frames the fleshly nature when that nature is put to death by the body of Christ on the cross. We are free from the law (this is explicitly stated by Paul) to belong to another, Jesus. Law wrote that the Holy Spirit on our hearts, not the 10 c but the law of faith. (Rom 7-8) Since I belong to Christ, it is not the law that rules my life but the Holy Spirit, my new nature.
@jvfllr197 If I obey the law, I produced fruit for death and I'm back under condemnation. But if by the Spirit, I put to death this nature, so I produced fruit for life and justice. For I have created him for good works. Christ is the end of the law.
@an35tares He is not end of the law sir He only show the right way to obey it . What was jesus said in Matthew 5 17 Think not that i am come to destroy the law or the prophets; I am not come to destroy but to fulfil. And if you contineu reading to verse 18 For verily till heaven and earth pass one jot or title shall in wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.What are the things there to be fulfilled , this matter all the prophecy that written on the holy bible.
@an35tares The word till all be fulfilled is the key to understand the essence of what jesus said. Im gonna ask you, I want you to know there are still prophecies which are not yet fulfilled. And in Matthew 5 :19 whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach menso he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven but whosoever do and teach them the same shall be called the great in heaven. See that if you teach people telling law is no more
@an35tares You will be called least in the kingdom of heaven once you teach people that law was already finished and no longer to be obey. Another question is why Jesus say that whosoevr break and teach men will be called the least in heaven . It means Jesus knows already that in the last day so many false prophets will say law is no longer to be obey. Another thing He told also whowsoever shall do and teach them the same shall be great in heaven . SEE THAT! Try to understand sir
@jvfllr197 So you mean to tell me before 1844 or the establishment of this church everyone before this date did not know the truth and was going to hell. What was being taught before Ellen G. White is my question?
@TheAlphape - What was being taught prior to Ellen G White ?
Answer: The true faith that has been taught, handed down and preserved from the very beginning - not Protestnat heresies from the Reformation and so many other permutations including Adventism, Mormonism, Christian Science, Scientology and so many other lies....Bible this and Bible that. 30,000 permutations later and growing.
So, how is the Bible this and Bible that working out for you folks?
@Search4diabetescure Hi! ? does it concern you the the RCC has blood on it's hands, that is well known burning people at the stake for reading the bible, & controlling government. & to pay money then priest will forgive sins.
I known & anyone of history knows this to be true. I have family & friends that are catholic & I find them 2 B the most loving caring people I know. I also know fakes 2 we have them in all churches. Now I am NOT a catholic hater! but have concerns
Please do "OBJECTIVE RESEARCH". You will see things more accurately instead of perpetuating Protestant Revolt propaganda that have been peddled for 5 centuries.
Thank you for being open minded and wanting to search out the truth.
Now it is true that when Catholics came to America, they were persecuted & sent to - flocking to a state named Maryland (get it) Mary - land) thats were this state got its name
So why were the early settlers persecuting Catholics? was it because of there mind set, that what they were trying to get away from was now coming to them?
I know what sda says about the RCC, the 1898 thing, but this was not the 1st time that the pope was laid defeated it happened before
@game11221@game11221 - Actually, I have done a great deal of objective research on this topic of the RCC having blood on its hands.
Do you realize that most of what is espoused by you and others, e.g., RCC with blood on its hands, the Inquisition, the Crusades, Jesuits subversion of societies, etc. are Protestant propaganda. Modern strain of this are fundamentally peddled by Evangelicals and Apostolic, Baptists, etc. in order to be accepted by mainstream Protestantism.
@Search4diabetescure Thanks for your responds! I will look into it more. But I do know pope John Paul apologized for what took place in the dark ages. (this would be an admission of wrong doing) Now a friend of mine said, these were bad popes and even went as far to say, some of these popes were not really popes at all because they were stricken from record.
This country was founded on religious freedom to get away from goverment controled of the church
@Sea I know many that think the pope is the anti-christ - beast, Yup, this is an original reformers teaching that many hold to but don't admit to holding, but some are hard core about it
Remember reading in the bible, this beast will come out of were Christ was slain Interesting! Not Rome
Personally I think beast is Islam! Fits so much better! Check out
Walid Shoebat-Islam Prophesied In The Bible 1 Not saying I agree with everything he says but damn! Watch all parts
@Search4diabetescure I have checked out your site! Researching cures! You keep trying! And find other cures two. I think two often we rely on doctors, for the most part there drug dealers.
Have you researched any other cures, such as for arthritis ect.. If you have please let me know of your findings.
@Sear think about it, Who surrounds Israel? Who whats to destroy Israel? What is now setting on the site of the Jewish temple? Who treats women badly?
Who claims when there madia comes in the spirit of Mohammad will start a holy war? Who will ask, do you believe in Ala & Mohammad, if you say no, off with ur head?
Who does not believe that Christ is the son of God? The savior
Who prays to a black rock? (pagan) requirement in ones life time?
I know it is hard for you to believe that this beast could be Islam, that is because as we know you are a SDA and you believe the RCC is the beast & the pope is the anti-Christ.
Let me ask you this, who is killing Christians now? does the RCC believe in Christ? YES Does Islam? NO & RCC has not ties to Israel but Islam does!
So what is your point!! don't tell me sda theology, I already know it, I am an exsda
Sorry but there is NO WAY that the antichrist could be anyone but the Christian Church. Both the papacy & ALL Sunday keeping Churches.
Here is PROOF that you will have to deal with if you are serious. Ok here goes. Do we agree that the 42 months in Revelation 13:5 is the same time period as the 1,260 days (years) in Revelation 12:6? Yes or no?
If you can answer this question honestly, I will PROVE to you that this same number is first mentioned in THE CHURCH
Thank you my friend for your reply. I am happy we agree on the time period of 1,260 days in Rev 12:6 being the same as the 42 months in Rev 13:5.
Now before I can PROVE to you that this time period is actually in the CHURCH, can we agree that Revelation 11:2 teaches that the Gentiles trampled on the APOSTOLIC TEMPLE for 42 months?
What I want to demonstrate is that Rev 11:1 about the apostolic Temple proves that the 12 stars in Rev 12:1 is also apostolic. Agree?
When you say apostolic temple are you referring to the temple that was destroyed in A.D 70? If that is what you are referring to, then I'm afraid I have to disagree. I believe the temple being spoken of is a temple that is yet future.
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people
Whe I say the apostolic Temple (Revelation 11:1-2) , I am referring to the 1st century Christian Church led by the apostles. Notice the apostle John is asked to MEASURE this Temple in AD. 98 so how can you say its yet future?
How can John measure a non-existent Temple?
I will PROVE to you that this Temple is the Temple is the Church.
Every single born again believer are the temple of God because we have the Spirit of God residing in us. However, the antichrist is going to pollute a real, actual temple of God when he enters the temple and declares himself to be God. He will also put an end to sacrifices that are going on.
Remember the jews do not quite yet believe Jesus is the messiah so they want to resume their duties, and God will let them because it is part of the end-time...
plan as stated in the bible. John is told to measure this temple that exists in the end time but not to measure the outer court because that was given to the gentiles.
He will terrorize anyone who refuses to take the mark. According to the bible, the only ones who won't be deceived by him are those who are written in the lamb's book of life and are sealed by his Spirit.
Hi there. Compliments of the new season my dearly beloved. Sorry for the delay. Haven't been feeling too good but my health is being restored & I am back.
Listen, before I show you the ORIGIN of our time period of 1,260 days, before I show you that this antichrist time period is in one of the 7 Churches of Rev 2/3, & that this PROVES that the antichrist is in the Church,
can you show me WHERE you get the idea that Rev 11/12 are not about the Church?
You see, the reason I am asking this is that Jesus says in Rev 1 that there is ONLY ONE PROPHECY in the book of Revelation & it is to the 7 CHURCHES. So an honest study leads one to understand that Rev 11/12/13 are but REITERATIONS of the 7 Churches. Just the same prophecy in different ways.
So please show me where in the book of Revelation is Jesus saying "Now I am talking to ancient Israel & not to the 7 Churches".
Remember though, when John was asked to measure the temple, he was in a vision of the last days. Rev 11 speaks of the temple, the holy city, and the outer court of the temple being given to the gentiles.
If you believe the temple being spoken of is the church, how can satan set up an abomination in the midst of you and enter your body and declare himself to be god? What is the outer court of the church?
All very good questions my dearly beloved. True we are His Temple but at this same time the Temple refers to the place of worship. So satan sets up an abomination in the place of worship, the Church.
As for the outer court of the Church, remember this is symbolic language. Here it is used to symbolise the occupancy of Catholicism which is pagan by nature & is rightly be described as Gentile.
@PreparetomeetthyGod You're out of context my friend. You say that the Church is the temple and the temple is a place of worship. So we are a place of worship? Remember antichrist will set up in the temple to be like God. FROM THE PAST UNTIL TODAY, DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS CLEARLY SAID THAT HE IS GOD IN THE TEMPLE ( Church)?
Do not say that it is the Pope, because you already said that the outercourt refers to the catholic church. You prove why SDAs miscalculated in 1844
Now let me show you where our time period of interest, the 1,260 days or 42 months or time, times & 1/2 a time, let me show you that it originates in one of the 7 Churches.
Ok here goes.
In Rev 2:20, Jesus says He gave Jezebel TIME to repent. Now we know that He is clearly referring to the ministry of the prophet Elijah which James 5;18 tells us that it was for 3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1,260 days.
Agreed that the antichrist time period is in the Church of Thyatira?
Ok my dearly beloved. We are at the final place now. The place I have been taking you to. The place which shows that the 42 months of the antichrist reign in Revelation 13:5 ORIGINATES in Revelation 2;20 where Jesus says He gave Jezebel TIME TO REPENT.
Clearly this is in reference to the ministry of Elijah which brought back the commandments & is said to have lasted for 3 1/2 years (James 5:17) = 1,290 days (Rev 12:6 = 42 months (Rev 13:6).
What I want to demonstrate is that Rev 11:1 about the apostolic Temple proves that the 12 stars in Rev 12:1 are also apostolic and are not about ancient Israel before Jesus.
Seeing that BOTH the 12 stars in Rev 12:1 & the apostolic Temple in Rev 11:1 are followed by the same time period of 42 months/1,260 days.
@PreparetomeetthyGod The Papacy is the man of sin / son of perdition / little horn of Daniel 7 / antichrist of 1 John.
HOWEVER, I'm not convinced that we are saved by what day of the week we worship. Yes, the Sabbath was the seal of the old covenant but Christ's blood is the seal of the new convenant. He is our Sabbath.
Trust me, I know your argument and it's logical but I'm not so sure that Christ's people are identified by the day of the week they go to church.
Beloved the Shabbat is beyond serious. Please! Just tell me WHO God is & trust me you will not escape the Shabbat. How do you identify the God of Israel among false gods? When you are shown hare krishna, buddha, etc & the Mighty One of Israel, how do you separate Him from these?
How do you separate the Creator from His memorial of creation? Why do you worship Him? Isn't it because He CREATED ALL?
The Shabbat is WHO God is. It gives the reason why WORSHIP is due to Him
@PreparetomeetthyGod You said (Bible prophecy is only ever focusing on God's own people) RIGHT! But note: Babylon was in prophecy, so was Greece, Rome, ect
Who attack Israel? Babylon, who killed Christians? Pagan Rome, Who desecrated the temple? 1 of the 4 horns out of Greece (A King)
Who wants to attack Israel when there mada comes in the spirit of Mohammad & at that time will give Christians a choice 2 believe in there Ala or off with your head?
I believe that I can be saved only thru Jesus Christ. What worries me is that, Am I doing things right in His sight? Why should I be comparing myself to others to see my worth (or unworthiness)? Should I be looking only to His promised grace? I believe that only Christ can save me and I won't let others put me in the losing end. I believe then that my becoming an instrument to inspire others to continue their faith in Christ is a great calling.
I feel sorry they are filled of RESENTMENT, HATE and BITTERNESS, they have "given" and they can't stand no more, they cannot FIT in though they tried and for whatever SELF-CENTERED prejudiced reasons so the best way is to LEAVE
If one is going to be consistent with SDA logic and say that the cleansing of the sanctuary was the Day of Atonement, (1844) then one is forced to conclude that Christ and His people are the little horn power that polluted the sanctuary! This is a heretical conclusion and leaves the SDAs in a dilemma from which it is impossible to extricate themselves
If Christ ministry ended in 1844,(moved 2 MHP) & start IJ Then we all are lost & the door is shut! As 2 sda the judgment started on Oct 1844
Im sad for these people they leave the truth for the sake of the world... Of all the denomination in the world Seventh day adventist has become distinct , they are the only one who hold the banner of the truth, who has follwing the commandments of God and the tistemony of Jesus... My brother and sister its not yet too late eveyone can comeback and repent for whatever wrong you have done.....
@jvfllr197 Hi ! You know I believed that until I met Jesus on my way. When you try to obey the law, you product the fruits for the death and you put yourself under the condamnation. But Jesus has freed you from the law for to belong to another, to him, to produce the fruits for the justice. Jesus is a new law who live in us by the only truth and seal, the Holy Spirit... (Rm 7-8; 1 Jn 3, 20ss espacialy 23)
1844 = anti typical day of atonement as to sda, witch means in 1844 Christ entered the MHP to start an investigative judgment of the saints. That means as to sda that He left the HP were He was ministering & His ministry has ended, and the judgment has been going on for over 150yrs now. Of the believer. If you do not reach perfection your lost! Because your without a mediator as to EW. because He left the HP. & the Blood of Christ did not count until 1844.
mormons or jws could say the same when people leave them. Don't you ever wonder why all these groups appeared at roughly the same time in about the same area and all knew william miller?
I have trouble with these groups because they are built on false prophesies.
they all say they don't know what response I'm looking for but it is the most basic question of the christian faith...even you agree that the cross is the central theme, yet all you can say is that he took your fall and died?
@Myhopeisinhim You said (can't explain what took place on the cross?)
You are so very right!!!!!
I remember Des Ford explaining the cross, it brought me to tears! One would ask why would he have to explain the cross in a meeting with the sda. It's because, many do not understand it's true meaning!
Once one understand this, a new light will open ones eyes! And this changes everything! that one once perceived.
Christ became what He was not, so I could become what I am not
He was treated as I deserve so I can be treated as He deserves
In my place He stood sealed me with His blood
Barabbas, ur 2nd name & mine, condemned to death, a very bad man Nothing he could do & Jesus takes his place. Friends we are Barabbas, Jesus has taken our place
He was flogged & by His stripes our wounds would be healed
Ellen G White established the doctrine of annihilationism for the wicked the meaning of "eternal punishment". She taught that in the same manner as a roach burned up in a house fire are annihilated, the sinner would be burned up and annihilated by the lake of fire. In her twisted theology, both the roach and the sinner are "eternally punished: by being annihilated.
It's nothing more than deliberate self-deception. She & they know good and well, that's not what Christ meant!
I don't have all the answers, and I can't pinpoint a date when the 2300 days will end, or when the 1260 days will end, but I know according to the events, it hasn't ended yet.
Is the little horn still going to persecute the saints? Is he still going to come forth and continue to declare imself to be God and speak blasphemies? No one here believes the little horn is finished with his activity yet, so we know the events of the 2300 day prophecy, the 1260 day prophecy are not yet finished.
@Myhopeisinhim In Revelation 14:7 It talks about the hour of His judgement is come, after the first angel you see other angels representing the papacy (the little horn) after the judgement. It's the other phase of the papacy. In Daniel it talks about the little horn (Pagan and Papal) . You see in the past where he and it (Pagan and Papal Rome) takes away the daily, it continues because 2300 days begins the judgement but is not the end of the world.
You get 1844 by believing that the 2300 days starts at the same time as the 70 weeks, but I happen to disagree. I believe that the 2300 days corresponds with the last week of the 70, according to the events mentioned in the vision.
I personally believe that the 2300 days leads to the end of time when the little horn is finally defeated. During the time of the little horn, we see the rise of the image of the beast, and the mark. I believe this occurs in the final half of the last week.
@Myhopeisinhim I believe the start date is in answer to the " how long the vision or hazon". Hazon means the entire vision.The vision start with the Ram, which represents Medo Persia, so I believe it started in the Persian Empire. 457 BC was in the Persian Empire. Between that time period the actions of the little horn will take place, 70 weeks, ending with the vindication (cleansing) of the sanctuary and God's people. The power behind the little horn is Satan; the accuser of the brethren.
What the Seventh Day Adventist needs to understand the bible says ONE LORD ONE FAITH AND ONE BAPTISM....Get baptized in the Name of JESUS and Get filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues... Doing so will give you a ticket to heaven...
To be honest I'm surprised that you said no to the third question because:
Dan 8:13 - Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake, How long [shall be] the vision [concerning] the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
This is the question, how long shall the events of this vision last, concerning the daily and the transgression or desolation?
What desolation, who stopped the dailies? Who is this vision speaking of? The little horn. How long will the abomination of desolation caused by the little horn continue for? The answer is in the next verse:
Dan 8:14 - And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
This answer is pertaining to how long will the events of this vision, the events of the abomination continue for?
We know the abomination that causeth desolation did not start in ad 34. We know the little horn was not defeated in 1844. We know that the abomination that causeth desolation would last until the little horn was defeated and his fate is poured out on him(dan 9:27). We know that doesn't happen until Christ returns. This we know that the 2300 day prophecy could not have finished yet.
I'll try to go into more detail later, or actually make a video if possible. I'm pretty tired from the...
@Myhopeisinhim The sanctuary will be cleansed is the court date starting trial, not the end of the world. There is an indication in the Bible, that judgement will begin in the time of the end. There is still the influence of the little horn in the papacy. But the image to the beast is still going to happened so it's not over UNTIL the END OF THE WORLD. Remember when the stone cut out without hands smite the image at the feet. That is when Jesus will come. Look at history it will show you.
You don't seem to want to address that the 2300 day prophecy mentioned in Daniel 8 was pertaining to how long the dailies and the abomination would be allowed to pollute the sanctuary before it was cleansed of that particular defilement. That entire chapter speaks of how the little horn defiles the sanctuary and ends with how long he can.
Instead, you attach it to something completely unrelated and say that its speaking of the cleansing of the peoples sins from the sanctuary.
@Myhopeisinhim You seem to ignore the whole picture. That's what is talking about in addition to the sins of God's enemies. The sanctuary cleansing is a vindication. You have yet to tell me what it means or any dates when the 2300 days begins, or when it ends. If you are so against what we believe, give a better alternative. Chapters 2,7,9 11 is speaking about the same things but with the addition of more detail. I have addressed over and over again, but it's not what you want to hear.
@Myhopeisinhim It never said Unto 2300 days the sanctuary will come to an end, or the dailies will come to an end at the 2300 days. It says that the sanctuary will be cleansed. Judgement begins. You HAVE to look at the whole picture. The judgement, then the Second coming, when the power of the beast will come to an end. You never answered if you thought 2300 days meant the end of the world. You are the one that mention the image to the beast coming to and end. It is all related.
I never said that the sanctuary would come to an end at the end of the 2300 days or that the dailies would end at the end of the 2300 days. Please re-read my comments in full.
No, i do not believe that the 2300 days is the end of the world. I do not believe the world ends until after the 1000 year reign of Christ. Now I say end lightly because the earth remains but the garments are changed. However, I do believe that the 2300 days is the last allotted time given to dealing with mankind. I believe it pertains to the final week of 70, the one in which the antichrist makes a covenant with the people.
Half way through that covenant, he brings an end to the daily..
sacrifices, and sets up his image(the abomination of desolation, which stands in the holy place). And he succeeds in everything he does. He goes into the temple and declares himself to be God, and blasphemes all that is holy...he continues to do so until the end which is poured out upon him happens, which we know happens at Christ's return when he is cast into the lake of fire.
And we know that he stops defiling the temple at the end of the 2300 days, so I do believe that coincides with...
The defilement done by the little horn stops at the end of the 2300 days. All that he does to pollute the temple stops, and we know he does that until he is defeated, and his end is set upon him. We know that this didn't happen in 1844 so we know the date of 2300 didn't end then.
I personally believe we are still waiting for the defilement of the little horn, and when it happens those in Judah are told to flee. I believe this coincides with the woman fleeing away from the dragon in Revelations
When this happens trouble beyond anything this world has ever experienced will fall, and the saints will be persecuted. I do not believe these events have taken place yet.
@Myhopeisinhim I was referencing the defilement of the little horn that you mentioned. What is scary about your interpretation is that it puts everything into the future and ignores everything that has happened in the past. That is not only misinterpretations, but very dangerous. You ignore all the history that points to events that have happen. Just think if you are wrong and Christ comes very soon. That is what the enemy wants for everyone to think it's a far off time.
@Myhopeisinhim I want you to get this clearly and study in the Word and history: The 2300, 1260, 1290, 70 weeks, have already ended. We are living at the time of the end. 1000 years for Satan to be bound on the earth (the bottomless pit) will be when God's people are in heaven. Wow! I can only pray that the Lord open your eyes to see the truth. Remember Jesus came within the 70 weeks, because within the 69th week, he was cut off. It all adds up. Just the fact
Au contrair, mon ami. The very fact you teach that the little horn is still going strong today shows something wrong with the 1844 theory because at the end of the 2300 days, and even the 1260 days shows him to be defeated in the final battle.
There are many reasons why 1844 is wrong. I suggest watching the various videos I have discussing 1844 and why the bible doesn't agree with that date and maybe check out other videos that refute it as well. One of the biggest...
problems with 1844 is the direct teaching that Jesus past through the second veil and entered the most holy place to begin the second phase of the atonement. Remember the Most Holy Place signified the very presence of God, the very dwelling place. The bible says:
Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
2 Cor 5:19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting...
tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Hbr 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].
Hbr 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Hbr 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often,.....
, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Hbr 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hbr 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time...
He appeared, just as the high priest did, in the presence of God and offered himself just as the high priest took the blood in and offered it unto God in his presence. Jesus already did this, he already performed the atoning work, this is why we can with boldness enter the presence of God, the most holy place because Jesus went in before.
He sat down next to God in the presence of God, this alone shows us that he was in the MHP before 1844.
Before Jesus performed this work for us the way into the most holy place had not yet been given. This is why the priest performed his work once a year to show that the way in hadn't yet been made, but Jesus was that way in and because of him we can enter in. He didn't wait till 1844 to go in, and to say he did is to contradict scripture.
Jesus provided the atonement back in the disciples day, and this is why you can receive his righteousness and enter the presence of God today.
@Myhopeisinhim Jesus died the second death for me, so that I do not have to die that death. He justifies me and sanctifies. He not only forgives, but he cleanses from all unrighteousness. Because of sin, I deserve to die, but Christ took my fall. The cross is the central theme. For me that is central, because He has rescued my life! I take that very personal.
@Myhopeisinhim I not sure what you want to hear. Christ death is my motivation to serve Him, out of love. Because of love for me He left heaven to live the life and to die the death. The cross also show to my dull senses that God has gone through a lot because of sin. This is what the great controversy is all about. This really sounds like a good note to end on.
What does the cross mean to you? I have a CD out called "He's Coming Again" with Tate Music Group. I wish you could hear it.
@Myhopeisinhim You are right about Christ and Him crucified. His death brought a new and living way. There is no need for a earthly tabernacle. Christ has entered the tabernacle not made with hands, the true tabernacle as our high priest. Jesus came to the earth ( the courtyard of the sanctuary) and was baptized (the laver) was crucified(the brazen altar). Just as the blood was applied to the sanctuary, so Jesus blood is applied for us. What is the need for more time, if the cross is where it
Respond to this video... ends. I am not sure if this conversation is doing any of us any good, other than the fact it has help study more into what I believe. I see no contradiction of scripture in what I believe, but I see a whole lot in what you believe. The scriptures that you quote are true, in context, however,I think you miss the point. Jesus died for our sins, as a result, there was no more use for the ceremonial laws of the earthly sanctuary. He now is our High Priest.
@Myhopeisinhim That sounds like it would be right, but there are some contradictions in scripture if you come to that conclusion. Remember, we have to read the Bible as a whole. If Daniel is saying that the Son of man went to the Ancient of Days to receive His kingdom, after the pompous words of the little horn; what is it talking about? In Daniel 8, it gives a time period about the sanctuary being cleansed. The only other language like that is in the OT of Leviticus. There is a court session.
Respond to this video... Yes we can come boldly to the throne of grace, why? To receive help in time of need. Why do you think Christ in heaven as a high priest for? Is it just to sit down in God's presence. With your time period you have Him sitting there for a very long time. The symbols of the sanctuary gives the whole picture of God's plan. God wants to rid the universe of sin. The cleansing of the sanctuary is a vindication of God's truth and His people.
Respond to this video... Now it mentions in Daniel about the the anointing of the MHP. Just as in the typical service the sanctuary was inauguration of the sanctuary, this was not the Day of atonement. This is biblical because it talks about that in the OT services of the earthly sanctuary. I have problems with Christ going straight to the MHP ministry if that is not the way the pattern outlines. I also can't get over Dan 7 when Christ is being brought to the Ancient of Days. I can't connect.
@Myhopeisinhim All these scriptures are correct in context. Jesus is still sitting? Does He ever move? Does it mean literal position or status? The presence of God is not limited to the MHP. If you look in Daniel 7:9nThere is some movement going on there. After the pompous words of little horn in 7:8, you see thrones being set up, the Ancient of Days being seated , and the court coming into session. Now you see the Son of man coming in verse 18 not to the earth, but to the Ancient of Days.
@Myhopeisinhim With more studying, I believe with you that there is not a literal veil in the sanctuary. I believe the Holy Place and the MHP is in the same room. The veil on earth was needed because of the glory of God and man. Why I say both, because in other parts of the NT, like Rev. There is reference to Holy Place furniture before the throne. I believe the prophets just put it in terms of the earthly sanctuary; like Paul saying Christ went behind the veil in Heb.
@jonathanbaby90 According Hb 9, the most holy place represents the heavenly sanctuary when the holy place represents the earthly sanctuary. The fact that once a year the High Priest enters the holy of holies, it shows that he was not still in office as long as the great sacrifice was not made. So when Jesus ascended to minister for us he did not enter behind the veil ... in fact he is the veil and the only way by which we can meet the Father!
@Myhopeisinhim I agree with the scriptures. But we both agree that Christ is a High Priest, interceding in our behalf. So not only His death, but the application of His death. Christ death is justification(just as if we never sin)
He wipes are slates clean, however, we still live in a sinful world, we need sanctification also. Hence the Holy Place experience of the Christian; feeding on the bread of life, prayer and witnessing. Christ has not finished, He still in heaven as our High Priest.
@jo I am an exsda! As to me using the word crap, I thought it better then the word that starts with S. I guess I am sickened by this 1844 thing. Yes at 1 time I did think it was true. But after studying it for yrs, I found it is a false teaching. I don't have time to go into it now have to run
Hint Heb 9, 1st apartment = Jewish era 2nd apart= Christ's death, resurrection & going to the Father
High Priest went ones a yr, never without blood. Were is God, MHP were did Christ go? 2 the Father
@jonatTo debate this 1844 IJ thing, would take a very long time, I have much to say. Instead of posting 100's of post & or writing a book to send by way of PM. If u would like, I could send u a PM on were to find information
You could also read Desmond Fords book on this, the one that he presented to the General Conference Much info! over 900 pages. Or & research all u can find
Took me a very long time
U can do it or not! U can feed into it this doctrine, like I once did, or ? its truth
Some I could not answer at work, due to not having access to full internet to look up the question about ellen white and the pyramid. I remember reading it somewhere, but currently I can't find it, so I'll check into it today and get back to you. You may wish to watch "seventh day abomination, mystery babylon connection", I believe it may mention something about it but I can't remember.
As for william miller being a freemason, if you can, check out "memoirs of william...
miller by Sylvester Bliss. He resigned from the log in September 1831. However, his teachings came from before he resigned. You are right, he didn't come up with 2300 days via ellen white. She was the one who accepted his and Samuel Snow's explanation of 2300 days.
The 2300 day prophecy is definitely biblical as we know from reading Daniel 8. I however disagree with the sda explanation. I'll search through and see if I missed any questions before I respond further to your current comments.
@Myhopeisinhim Ellen White initially believe the message of William Miller, but after the disappointment, she found out what it really meant. The interpretation that Ellen White and the rest of our church, is different ,in that we believe in the heavenly sanctuary. The cleansing of the sanctuary and not the earth at the end of the 2300 days.William Miller did not understand it himself. As for Samuel Snow. I don't know who he is.
she may not have been but the teachings she garnered from william miller were riddled with masonic teachings and symbolism as he was a freemason. She has also been honored with a masonic gravestone marker over her grave.
As for the on the "wing of the temple" its from verse 27 of dan 9, NIV. We know via other passages that the antichrist sets up an abomination in the holy place(dan 8,9 and mat 24..even revelations.
@Myhopeisinhim If she wasn't a freemason, how did she get that on her gravestone.? I will research the truth about it and not take your word. Also about William Miller. I don't know what he was, just know that the Lord can use anyone. I've been looking an exposing freemasonry to my children, and there were a lot of people, including some of our founding father's involved in it. Never have i read that William Miller was one.
all these groups including sdas know that without the visions and their books people would not draw the same conclusion.
Hence the need for ellens writings and her visions etc. Don't get me wrong, there are some truths...sdas aren't totally wrong. They believe in a triune God, in god coming in the flesh, in his death on the cross and the resurrection but much of the other half of the message is not biblical.
"I will die for seventh day Adventist ". Well that's the problem there! Your not supposed to die for religion. Lol Jesus died for you . I'm sorry you left SDA ;(
Rcrextine 1 week ago
Persons who are troubled in life, whether its an abusive childhood or a broken domestic relationship most likely end up in this predicament when they haven't totally surrendered to Christ. I'm not saying I know the cases of these people but especially third and fourth generation believers leave because they rely on FAMILY relationship to get saved instead of a PERSONAL relationship with Jesus. They are in grave danger of looking to others to be saved.
ChosenCDA 1 week ago
@ChosenCDA agree!
upholdingthetruth 1 week ago
THESE TESTIMONIES JUST CAN'T CONVINCE OR DISCOURAGE ME! WHEN PERSONS DON'T HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST THEY ARE LIKELY TO FALL AWAY! NO CHURCH CAN SAVE BUT YOUR OBEDIENCE TO CHRIST THROUGH HIS SAVING GRACE CAN SAVE. FAITH AND WORKS GO HAND IN HAND. SDA'S WATCHING THIS VIDEO PLS DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED. THE WORD OF GOD SAYS THAT IN THE LAST DAYS SOME (LIKE THESE) SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH GIVING HEED TO SEDUCING SPIRITS AND DOCTRINES OF DEVILS - 1 TIMOTHY 4:1.
ChosenCDA 1 week ago
@ChosenCDA agree!
upholdingthetruth 1 week ago
Do you keep the Sabbath holy, or did you do away with the Ten Commandments too?
Lulu4Him 2 weeks ago
People need to learn that Adventist DO NOT think that going to church on Sabbath gets you into heaven. They believe you are only judged by what you know. Also about the law, you should keep the law because you love God and he loves you. Everyone has sinned and fallen short of eternal life, but its Gods grace that allows us to have eternal life if we accept his grace.
Kenny414G 4 weeks ago 4
I had an ex boy friend friend who was and still is a SDA. I could not comprehen their beliefs. I once said "does it really matter what day you worship God?" and he was angry with me. We were not married and our relationship was not plutonic. As time went on I lost respect for him as he was not following the teachings of Christ. He would borrow money and never repay me. He would drive a car and suffer road rage where I was afraid he would crash the vehical. I am now an atheist !
ikinmoore 1 month ago
@ikinmoore Hi! it sounds like he need a priest to preform a exorcism.. Ha Ha Please dont ever mention priest to him, he will flip out.
None of us are perfect, and most are hypocrites. That the problem with the old cov of law it makes lairs out of us. you should have said, Remember ur a sda & the investigative Judgment is at your door step. As Paul said, attempting to keep oc of law stirs something up in us, we break it, bc focus is on law & not Christ
game11221 1 month ago
@ikinmoore
/// I am now an atheist ! ///
Who you trying to kid? Only yourself.
I've suffered far worse than that, and yet am still a Christian (a stronger one aswell)
doctorh2005 1 month ago
@doctorh2005
Really !!!! So you have suffered in the hands of a religious nutter. This is what religion does to you. They believe the catholic faith is the mark of 666. They(all religions) like to brainwash you into accepting a supernatural "diety" who murdered millions in the OT. If you are a Christian then you must believe that your "diety" murdered, enslaved people with out just cause. What a horrible God he is !!! Does he exist no he does not !
ikinmoore 1 month ago
These testimonies sound so "canned". I have my doubts as to whether these people were really SDAs. They don't talk like it.
you1745 1 month ago
this man works on Saturday and can't turn stop his appetite of eating wormy pork
jettervanewins 1 month ago
i know a few seventh day adventists, and some of them are the biggest hypocrites i know. i know alot who are the most sexually immoral, most hooked on drugs, and at the same time think going to church on a saturday can cover up for their actions during the week
hearteyhonkii 1 month ago
@hearteyhonkii So just because of a few people you are going to condemn the Adventist church? There are hypocrites in every church including the one you go to. Don't kid yourself.
Kenny414G 4 weeks ago 2
PEOPLE! PEOPLE! the pope is not the Antichrist and Sunday is NOT the mark of the beast. the beast is the "AL Mahdi" and the false prophet is the Isa the Islamic Jesus (possibly the pope). look it up for yourself. Also the wicked will be in torments FOREVER! the bible says and the smoke of their torments rises UP FOREVER AND EVER, THEY HAVE "NO" REST DAY OR NIGHT in the lake of fire.
dj9968210 2 months ago
Um, I don't get how these Ex- Adventists can say all these things. I have been raised as a SDA and I have never been taught that the SDA church is the only good church. I don't know what church these people went to but it doesn't sound like an SDA Church to me. I'm a 16 year old PK who has a lot to learn but even I know that, that is not how Adventists think and believe. Yes there are very strict Adventists like my grandma and my Dad Lol, but they don't think like that either.Justsaying.
TheMsBrasil 2 months ago
@TheMsBrasil I always wondered what it's like to be a PK. When I was young at church the PK's never quite fit in like the rest of the youth, probably because they change church every few years, I don't know
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deadadelta 2 months ago
I'm not SDA (mainly because of EG White) but mainstream Christianity is so full of nonsense, I can't describe my disgust in it. Their rock 'n roll Jesus and false Catholic doctrines of hell, immortal soul and Catholic holidays are nonsense.
FAITHandLOGIC 2 months ago
@FAITHandLOGIC
hell is a catholic doctrine? It was Jesus who spoke more about hell then anyone else in the bible. I do agree that mainstream Christianity has quite a bit of nonsense these days, that could be why we're referred to as the lukewarm generation.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim I love when people say that Jesus spoke more about "hell" than anyone else when in face He NEVER mentions eternal torture. He states plain and simple that the righeous inherit eternal life and the unjust PERISH (Jn 3:16) or are DESTROYED (Mt. 10:28) in GEHENNA at the 2nd coming.
Hell is an Anglo-Saxon word stemming from the Norse goddess Hel which is basically the equivilent of the Greek god Hades. Hell/Hades means the grave. Nothing more.
FAITHandLOGIC 2 months ago
Maybe youve done wrong to the church and you were disfellow for such action . And diddnt like it so yopu leave the truth for the exchange of lies... You put your life in the side of Gods enemy . Catholic are Not obeying Gods Law they change the Sabbath from saturday to sunday. They dont have authority to do that , Only God has the right to change it.. You are so much blind Study the holy bible tyhen you will know the truth .
jvfllr197 2 months ago 3
Wake up people you should consider these reason before leaving Seventh day adventist. 1 . is the church you exchange for is really obeying Gods Law , 2. Are they worshipping in God sabbath which is Saturday? If not im sure all of you picked the wrong way.... Say for example Catholic is not worshipping the true sabbath of God , they even made alot of graven image which God never permitted ,. Now tell me are you sure you are in the right way ?
jvfllr197 2 months ago
@game11221
i guess because they are taught that the vatican created islam and that they created it to take the focus off themselves...advemtists now refuse to examine the option that the antichrist could come from islam or another group other than the papacy.
Its scary how people are unwilling to look at further possibilities even though certain things they try to claim about the papacy, like the ten horns don't fit. Its like that is what my church says and thats final.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopei Hi, Nice to hear from u
The big problem that main denominations is, especially the ones that claim they are the r eminent church (sorry denomination) They are locked into a box! (brain-washed you could say) And never ? is this so? Is this right?
When one steps out side this closed box, look at it from the outside, thats when they can see an error, & say what was I thinking
As 2 Islam - beast, it seems to fit, but I am not saying 4-sure
Walter Vieth- not rapped 2 tight
game11221 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Sorry but there is NO WAY that the antichrist could be anyone but the Christian Church. Both the papacy & ALL Sunday keeping Churches.
Here is PROOF that you will have to deal with if you are serious. Ok here goes. Do we agree that the 42 months in Revelation 13:5 is the same time period as the 1,260 days (years) in Revelation 12:6? Yes or no?
If you can answer this question honestly, I will PROVE to you that this same number is first mentioned in THE CHURCH!
PreparetomeetthyGod 2 months ago 3
thank you for revealing the truth about Jesus Christ as the only Saviour and Lord ... there is truly none like Him. Praise the Lord that He has glorified His truth through your lives. elaine.canada
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sisterelena 2 months ago
the Bible is the Bible is the Bible is the Bible. I commend Adventists for being a Bible-focused church. Read the Word which is life, make your life about the Word, and you will have life.
Thizzmotion 2 months ago
Just look and compare Sevent Day adventist to all dinomination there and tell me who is following Gods commandments and has tetimony of jesus Christ. Whos church today is preaching about his ten commandments and the Gospel of Jesus christ? pls my friend dont waste your life on going with people who are not following the law of God .
jvfllr197 2 months ago
Its never about any church but its all about JESUS and His saving grace
endtimetruth 2 months ago
Distinguish root & fruit. Root of Christian is faith in Christ, trusting in Christ everything comes from that. Fruit is always obedience, but obedience is not perfect, because we are not, ask forgiveness of trespasses, not willing we all stumble
Paul rightfully says Serve in the new way of the Spirit & not in the old way of the written code. Congratulations! putting yourself under the Old Cov of LAW That was 2 lead us TO Christ & UNTIL Christ, we are no longer UNDER the supervision of the LAW
game11221 2 months ago
turn to islam people,turn to islam
foenvy1 2 months ago
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Christ fulfilled the law & by faith I am excepted in the beloved. He died 4 me,in my place He stood sealed me with His Blood
Reversing sanctification & justification Attempting 2 fulfill OC law as a method of salvation by own works to be justified, then Christ has no effect on U & will remain under OC law, UR lost (judged by the very OC law that U claim)
Law is not fulfilled by you! It's Christ in you that fulfills the law
He became what He was not, so I could become what I am not
game11221 2 months ago
Yup! you will be judged by the law OC. If you do not believe in the new cov.
Paul rightfully says "We serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the
old way of the written code
Congratulations! You’ve just put yourself under the Old Covenant of LAW.
Which was to lead us TO Christ and UNTIL Christ, we are no longer UNDER the
supervision of the LAW!
But if you don't except the cross, & know saved by faith alone, then your still under the oc of law and will be judged by it
game11221 2 months ago
You guys are just become blind where do you think God will base His judgement on judgement day . Im sure it will be base on His Ten Commandments . And sabbath is one of His commandment and a sign of His people.
jvfllr197 2 months ago
@jvfllr197 You should read about that Mat 25. Answer this question : In this text, based on what Jesus will accept you into the kingdom of heaven? If the Sabbath was important, do not you think that Jesus would have spoken in its various descriptions of the events of the end? The presentation of the Sabbath as God's seal is supported nowhere in the scriptures! Only the Holy Spirit is the seal.
an35tares 2 months ago
@jvfllr197 On 10 c frames the fleshly nature when that nature is put to death by the body of Christ on the cross. We are free from the law (this is explicitly stated by Paul) to belong to another, Jesus. Law wrote that the Holy Spirit on our hearts, not the 10 c but the law of faith. (Rom 7-8) Since I belong to Christ, it is not the law that rules my life but the Holy Spirit, my new nature.
an35tares 2 months ago
@jvfllr197 If I obey the law, I produced fruit for death and I'm back under condemnation. But if by the Spirit, I put to death this nature, so I produced fruit for life and justice. For I have created him for good works. Christ is the end of the law.
an35tares 2 months ago
@an35tares He is not end of the law sir He only show the right way to obey it . What was jesus said in Matthew 5 17 Think not that i am come to destroy the law or the prophets; I am not come to destroy but to fulfil. And if you contineu reading to verse 18 For verily till heaven and earth pass one jot or title shall in wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.What are the things there to be fulfilled , this matter all the prophecy that written on the holy bible.
jvfllr197 2 months ago
@an35tares The word till all be fulfilled is the key to understand the essence of what jesus said. Im gonna ask you, I want you to know there are still prophecies which are not yet fulfilled. And in Matthew 5 :19 whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments and shall teach menso he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven but whosoever do and teach them the same shall be called the great in heaven. See that if you teach people telling law is no more
jvfllr197 2 months ago
@an35tares You will be called least in the kingdom of heaven once you teach people that law was already finished and no longer to be obey. Another question is why Jesus say that whosoevr break and teach men will be called the least in heaven . It means Jesus knows already that in the last day so many false prophets will say law is no longer to be obey. Another thing He told also whowsoever shall do and teach them the same shall be great in heaven . SEE THAT! Try to understand sir
jvfllr197 2 months ago
@jvfllr197 So you mean to tell me before 1844 or the establishment of this church everyone before this date did not know the truth and was going to hell. What was being taught before Ellen G. White is my question?
TheAlphape 3 months ago
@TheAlphape - What was being taught prior to Ellen G White ?
Answer: The true faith that has been taught, handed down and preserved from the very beginning - not Protestnat heresies from the Reformation and so many other permutations including Adventism, Mormonism, Christian Science, Scientology and so many other lies....Bible this and Bible that. 30,000 permutations later and growing.
So, how is the Bible this and Bible that working out for you folks?
Search4diabetescure 2 months ago
@Search4diabetescure Hi! ? does it concern you the the RCC has blood on it's hands, that is well known burning people at the stake for reading the bible, & controlling government. & to pay money then priest will forgive sins.
I known & anyone of history knows this to be true. I have family & friends that are catholic & I find them 2 B the most loving caring people I know. I also know fakes 2 we have them in all churches. Now I am NOT a catholic hater! but have concerns
game11221 2 months ago
Please do "OBJECTIVE RESEARCH". You will see things more accurately instead of perpetuating Protestant Revolt propaganda that have been peddled for 5 centuries.
Thank you for being open minded and wanting to search out the truth.
Search4diabetescure 2 months ago
@Sear
Now it is true that when Catholics came to America, they were persecuted & sent to - flocking to a state named Maryland (get it) Mary - land) thats were this state got its name
So why were the early settlers persecuting Catholics? was it because of there mind set, that what they were trying to get away from was now coming to them?
I know what sda says about the RCC, the 1898 thing, but this was not the 1st time that the pope was laid defeated it happened before
game11221 2 months ago
@game11221 @game11221 - Actually, I have done a great deal of objective research on this topic of the RCC having blood on its hands.
Do you realize that most of what is espoused by you and others, e.g., RCC with blood on its hands, the Inquisition, the Crusades, Jesuits subversion of societies, etc. are Protestant propaganda. Modern strain of this are fundamentally peddled by Evangelicals and Apostolic, Baptists, etc. in order to be accepted by mainstream Protestantism.
Search4diabetescure 2 months ago
@Search4diabetescure Thanks for your responds! I will look into it more. But I do know pope John Paul apologized for what took place in the dark ages. (this would be an admission of wrong doing) Now a friend of mine said, these were bad popes and even went as far to say, some of these popes were not really popes at all because they were stricken from record.
This country was founded on religious freedom to get away from goverment controled of the church
Continued
game11221 2 months ago
@Sea I know many that think the pope is the anti-christ - beast, Yup, this is an original reformers teaching that many hold to but don't admit to holding, but some are hard core about it
Remember reading in the bible, this beast will come out of were Christ was slain Interesting! Not Rome
Personally I think beast is Islam! Fits so much better! Check out
Walid Shoebat-Islam Prophesied In The Bible 1 Not saying I agree with everything he says but damn! Watch all parts
game11221 2 months ago
@Search4diabetescure I have checked out your site! Researching cures! You keep trying! And find other cures two. I think two often we rely on doctors, for the most part there drug dealers.
Have you researched any other cures, such as for arthritis ect.. If you have please let me know of your findings.
God Bless!
game11221 2 months ago
@Sear think about it, Who surrounds Israel? Who whats to destroy Israel? What is now setting on the site of the Jewish temple? Who treats women badly?
Who claims when there madia comes in the spirit of Mohammad will start a holy war? Who will ask, do you believe in Ala & Mohammad, if you say no, off with ur head?
Who does not believe that Christ is the son of God? The savior
Who prays to a black rock? (pagan) requirement in ones life time?
Who has a counterfeit bible?
game11221 2 months ago
@game11221
Dear friend, its time you really need to think hard about your claim that Islam is the antichrist. Please!
Just show me WHERE in the Bible the focus of Bible prophecy was anyone but Israel, God's people & I'll believe your claim.
Which prophet in the old testament other than Jonah did God EVER send to anyone but Israel to repent & turn to Him?
Bible prophecy is only ever focusing on God's own people
Who is the focus of Hosea, Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel prophecies?
PreparetomeetthyGod 2 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod Ok! Who wants to start a holy war with Israel?
I know it is hard for you to believe that this beast could be Islam, that is because as we know you are a SDA and you believe the RCC is the beast & the pope is the anti-Christ.
Let me ask you this, who is killing Christians now? does the RCC believe in Christ? YES Does Islam? NO & RCC has not ties to Israel but Islam does!
So what is your point!! don't tell me sda theology, I already know it, I am an exsda
game11221 2 months ago
@game11221
Sorry but there is NO WAY that the antichrist could be anyone but the Christian Church. Both the papacy & ALL Sunday keeping Churches.
Here is PROOF that you will have to deal with if you are serious. Ok here goes. Do we agree that the 42 months in Revelation 13:5 is the same time period as the 1,260 days (years) in Revelation 12:6? Yes or no?
If you can answer this question honestly, I will PROVE to you that this same number is first mentioned in THE CHURCH
PreparetomeetthyGod 2 months ago 3
@PreparetomeetthyGod
I also believe that it is the same time period:) I, however, do not believe that time period has yet past, and is still yet to come.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Thank you my friend for your reply. I am happy we agree on the time period of 1,260 days in Rev 12:6 being the same as the 42 months in Rev 13:5.
Now before I can PROVE to you that this time period is actually in the CHURCH, can we agree that Revelation 11:2 teaches that the Gentiles trampled on the APOSTOLIC TEMPLE for 42 months?
What I want to demonstrate is that Rev 11:1 about the apostolic Temple proves that the 12 stars in Rev 12:1 is also apostolic. Agree?
PreparetomeetthyGod 2 months ago 3
@PreparetomeetthyGod
When you say apostolic temple are you referring to the temple that was destroyed in A.D 70? If that is what you are referring to, then I'm afraid I have to disagree. I believe the temple being spoken of is a temple that is yet future.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people
1 Corinthians 3:16-17
16.Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17.If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
seven6000 2 months ago 3
@seven6000
Can you elaborate on why you shared these verses?
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Whe I say the apostolic Temple (Revelation 11:1-2) , I am referring to the 1st century Christian Church led by the apostles. Notice the apostle John is asked to MEASURE this Temple in AD. 98 so how can you say its yet future?
How can John measure a non-existent Temple?
I will PROVE to you that this Temple is the Temple is the Church.
PreparetomeetthyGod 2 months ago 3
@PreparetomeetthyGod
Every single born again believer are the temple of God because we have the Spirit of God residing in us. However, the antichrist is going to pollute a real, actual temple of God when he enters the temple and declares himself to be God. He will also put an end to sacrifices that are going on.
Remember the jews do not quite yet believe Jesus is the messiah so they want to resume their duties, and God will let them because it is part of the end-time...
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
plan as stated in the bible. John is told to measure this temple that exists in the end time but not to measure the outer court because that was given to the gentiles.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
I see. So John is measuring the Temple that will exist in the end time.
To be continued.
PreparetomeetthyGod 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
So tell me about this antichrist. Is he going to terrorise only the Jews in their Temple? Where do Christians come into the equation?
PreparetomeetthyGod 2 months ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
He will terrorize anyone who refuses to take the mark. According to the bible, the only ones who won't be deceived by him are those who are written in the lamb's book of life and are sealed by his Spirit.
Myhopeisinhim 2 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim
(Part A-1)
Hi there. Compliments of the new season my dearly beloved. Sorry for the delay. Haven't been feeling too good but my health is being restored & I am back.
Listen, before I show you the ORIGIN of our time period of 1,260 days, before I show you that this antichrist time period is in one of the 7 Churches of Rev 2/3, & that this PROVES that the antichrist is in the Church,
can you show me WHERE you get the idea that Rev 11/12 are not about the Church?
PreparetomeetthyGod 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
(Part A-2)
You see, the reason I am asking this is that Jesus says in Rev 1 that there is ONLY ONE PROPHECY in the book of Revelation & it is to the 7 CHURCHES. So an honest study leads one to understand that Rev 11/12/13 are but REITERATIONS of the 7 Churches. Just the same prophecy in different ways.
So please show me where in the book of Revelation is Jesus saying "Now I am talking to ancient Israel & not to the 7 Churches".
Where is it?
PreparetomeetthyGod 1 month ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
Remember though, when John was asked to measure the temple, he was in a vision of the last days. Rev 11 speaks of the temple, the holy city, and the outer court of the temple being given to the gentiles.
If you believe the temple being spoken of is the church, how can satan set up an abomination in the midst of you and enter your body and declare himself to be god? What is the outer court of the church?
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
All very good questions my dearly beloved. True we are His Temple but at this same time the Temple refers to the place of worship. So satan sets up an abomination in the place of worship, the Church.
As for the outer court of the Church, remember this is symbolic language. Here it is used to symbolise the occupancy of Catholicism which is pagan by nature & is rightly be described as Gentile.
PreparetomeetthyGod 1 month ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod You're out of context my friend. You say that the Church is the temple and the temple is a place of worship. So we are a place of worship? Remember antichrist will set up in the temple to be like God. FROM THE PAST UNTIL TODAY, DO YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS CLEARLY SAID THAT HE IS GOD IN THE TEMPLE ( Church)?
Do not say that it is the Pope, because you already said that the outercourt refers to the catholic church. You prove why SDAs miscalculated in 1844
belojo2003 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Now let me show you where our time period of interest, the 1,260 days or 42 months or time, times & 1/2 a time, let me show you that it originates in one of the 7 Churches.
Ok here goes.
In Rev 2:20, Jesus says He gave Jezebel TIME to repent. Now we know that He is clearly referring to the ministry of the prophet Elijah which James 5;18 tells us that it was for 3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1,260 days.
Agreed that the antichrist time period is in the Church of Thyatira?
PreparetomeetthyGod 1 month ago
@PreparetomeetthyGod
feel free to share your thoughts in full, I'll respond after:)
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
Ok my dearly beloved. We are at the final place now. The place I have been taking you to. The place which shows that the 42 months of the antichrist reign in Revelation 13:5 ORIGINATES in Revelation 2;20 where Jesus says He gave Jezebel TIME TO REPENT.
Clearly this is in reference to the ministry of Elijah which brought back the commandments & is said to have lasted for 3 1/2 years (James 5:17) = 1,290 days (Rev 12:6 = 42 months (Rev 13:6).
Agreed?
PreparetomeetthyGod 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim
What I want to demonstrate is that Rev 11:1 about the apostolic Temple proves that the 12 stars in Rev 12:1 are also apostolic and are not about ancient Israel before Jesus.
Seeing that BOTH the 12 stars in Rev 12:1 & the apostolic Temple in Rev 11:1 are followed by the same time period of 42 months/1,260 days.
Agreed?
PreparetomeetthyGod 2 months ago 4
@PreparetomeetthyGod The Papacy is the man of sin / son of perdition / little horn of Daniel 7 / antichrist of 1 John.
HOWEVER, I'm not convinced that we are saved by what day of the week we worship. Yes, the Sabbath was the seal of the old covenant but Christ's blood is the seal of the new convenant. He is our Sabbath.
Trust me, I know your argument and it's logical but I'm not so sure that Christ's people are identified by the day of the week they go to church.
FAITHandLOGIC 2 months ago
@FAITHandLOGIC Agree! And we are sealed by the Holy Spirit! At least that's what the New testament says.
Not the Sabbath! As some claim!
God Bless You
game11221 2 months ago
@FAITHandLOGIC
Beloved the Shabbat is beyond serious. Please! Just tell me WHO God is & trust me you will not escape the Shabbat. How do you identify the God of Israel among false gods? When you are shown hare krishna, buddha, etc & the Mighty One of Israel, how do you separate Him from these?
How do you separate the Creator from His memorial of creation? Why do you worship Him? Isn't it because He CREATED ALL?
The Shabbat is WHO God is. It gives the reason why WORSHIP is due to Him
PreparetomeetthyGod 2 months ago 2
@PreparetomeetthyGod You said (Bible prophecy is only ever focusing on God's own people) RIGHT! But note: Babylon was in prophecy, so was Greece, Rome, ect
Who attack Israel? Babylon, who killed Christians? Pagan Rome, Who desecrated the temple? 1 of the 4 horns out of Greece (A King)
Who wants to attack Israel when there mada comes in the spirit of Mohammad & at that time will give Christians a choice 2 believe in there Ala or off with your head?
game11221 2 months ago
I believe that I can be saved only thru Jesus Christ. What worries me is that, Am I doing things right in His sight? Why should I be comparing myself to others to see my worth (or unworthiness)? Should I be looking only to His promised grace? I believe that only Christ can save me and I won't let others put me in the losing end. I believe then that my becoming an instrument to inspire others to continue their faith in Christ is a great calling.
Fidel6720 3 months ago
I feel sorry they are filled of RESENTMENT, HATE and BITTERNESS, they have "given" and they can't stand no more, they cannot FIT in though they tried and for whatever SELF-CENTERED prejudiced reasons so the best way is to LEAVE
chas6641 3 months ago
i cant help but notice they keep saying"I was all out for the church. I gave my all to the SDA church."
It is Jesus we are to be giving our all.
SharkBaitEz16six 3 months ago
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If one is going to be consistent with SDA logic and say that the cleansing of the sanctuary was the Day of Atonement, (1844) then one is forced to conclude that Christ and His people are the little horn power that polluted the sanctuary! This is a heretical conclusion and leaves the SDAs in a dilemma from which it is impossible to extricate themselves
If Christ ministry ended in 1844,(moved 2 MHP) & start IJ Then we all are lost & the door is shut! As 2 sda the judgment started on Oct 1844
game11221 3 months ago
Im sad for these people they leave the truth for the sake of the world... Of all the denomination in the world Seventh day adventist has become distinct , they are the only one who hold the banner of the truth, who has follwing the commandments of God and the tistemony of Jesus... My brother and sister its not yet too late eveyone can comeback and repent for whatever wrong you have done.....
jvfllr197 3 months ago
@jvfllr197 Hi ! You know I believed that until I met Jesus on my way. When you try to obey the law, you product the fruits for the death and you put yourself under the condamnation. But Jesus has freed you from the law for to belong to another, to him, to produce the fruits for the justice. Jesus is a new law who live in us by the only truth and seal, the Holy Spirit... (Rm 7-8; 1 Jn 3, 20ss espacialy 23)
an35tares 2 months ago
@jvfllr197 I choose to leave the Seventh-day Adventist Church, to join the Catholic Church and I'm not ashamed of it.
sjande23 2 months ago
1844 = anti typical day of atonement as to sda, witch means in 1844 Christ entered the MHP to start an investigative judgment of the saints. That means as to sda that He left the HP were He was ministering & His ministry has ended, and the judgment has been going on for over 150yrs now. Of the believer. If you do not reach perfection your lost! Because your without a mediator as to EW. because He left the HP. & the Blood of Christ did not count until 1844.
This is a devastating doctrine
game11221 3 months ago
@kwamboobaba
mormons or jws could say the same when people leave them. Don't you ever wonder why all these groups appeared at roughly the same time in about the same area and all knew william miller?
I have trouble with these groups because they are built on false prophesies.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
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this are all the signs of the end..... when you see people move from one faith to another ,they are testfying Ellen G White 's writings
kwamboobaba 3 months ago
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kwamboobaba 3 months ago
check out the face at 52 sec proof right there
arandumLloser 3 months ago
these people all left SDA to go whack off and masterbate....true beans
arandumLloser 3 months ago
@arandumLloser Why would you say that. you should be encouraging them to come back to the remnant.
Mrdiamondean 3 months ago
they all say they don't know what response I'm looking for but it is the most basic question of the christian faith...even you agree that the cross is the central theme, yet all you can say is that he took your fall and died?
What else?
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@jonathanbaby90
You spend ample time trying to uncover prophesy and convince people of the sabbath but yet you can't explain what took place on the cross?
I receive this response from numerous adventists and it worries me to death.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago 2
@Myhopeisinhim You said (can't explain what took place on the cross?)
You are so very right!!!!!
I remember Des Ford explaining the cross, it brought me to tears! One would ask why would he have to explain the cross in a meeting with the sda. It's because, many do not understand it's true meaning!
Once one understand this, a new light will open ones eyes! And this changes everything! that one once perceived.
God Bless
game11221 3 months ago
@game11221
Yep:) It's such a precious message and involved so much more than simply dying for us.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
what do the seventh day Adventist believe a person must do to get to heaven? do they believe baptism as a way?
RockinTimmy 3 months ago
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Christ became what He was not, so I could become what I am not
He was treated as I deserve so I can be treated as He deserves
In my place He stood sealed me with His blood
Barabbas, ur 2nd name & mine, condemned to death, a very bad man Nothing he could do & Jesus takes his place. Friends we are Barabbas, Jesus has taken our place
He was flogged & by His stripes our wounds would be healed
He was condemned so we could be justified
He was striped so we could be clothed
What a savior!
game11221 3 months ago
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Ellen G White established the doctrine of annihilationism for the wicked the meaning of "eternal punishment". She taught that in the same manner as a roach burned up in a house fire are annihilated, the sinner would be burned up and annihilated by the lake of fire. In her twisted theology, both the roach and the sinner are "eternally punished: by being annihilated.
It's nothing more than deliberate self-deception. She & they know good and well, that's not what Christ meant!
EricSaavy 3 months ago
I don't have all the answers, and I can't pinpoint a date when the 2300 days will end, or when the 1260 days will end, but I know according to the events, it hasn't ended yet.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
My question to you is:
Is the little horn still going to persecute the saints? Is he still going to come forth and continue to declare imself to be God and speak blasphemies? No one here believes the little horn is finished with his activity yet, so we know the events of the 2300 day prophecy, the 1260 day prophecy are not yet finished.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim In Revelation 14:7 It talks about the hour of His judgement is come, after the first angel you see other angels representing the papacy (the little horn) after the judgement. It's the other phase of the papacy. In Daniel it talks about the little horn (Pagan and Papal) . You see in the past where he and it (Pagan and Papal Rome) takes away the daily, it continues because 2300 days begins the judgement but is not the end of the world.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
You get 1844 by believing that the 2300 days starts at the same time as the 70 weeks, but I happen to disagree. I believe that the 2300 days corresponds with the last week of the 70, according to the events mentioned in the vision.
I personally believe that the 2300 days leads to the end of time when the little horn is finally defeated. During the time of the little horn, we see the rise of the image of the beast, and the mark. I believe this occurs in the final half of the last week.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
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@Myhopeisinhim I believe the start date is in answer to the " how long the vision or hazon". Hazon means the entire vision.The vision start with the Ram, which represents Medo Persia, so I believe it started in the Persian Empire. 457 BC was in the Persian Empire. Between that time period the actions of the little horn will take place, 70 weeks, ending with the vindication (cleansing) of the sanctuary and God's people. The power behind the little horn is Satan; the accuser of the brethren.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
What the Seventh Day Adventist needs to understand the bible says ONE LORD ONE FAITH AND ONE BAPTISM....Get baptized in the Name of JESUS and Get filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues... Doing so will give you a ticket to heaven...
preachaman256 3 months ago
To be honest I'm surprised that you said no to the third question because:
Dan 8:13 - Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain [saint] which spake, How long [shall be] the vision [concerning] the daily [sacrifice], and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
This is the question, how long shall the events of this vision last, concerning the daily and the transgression or desolation?
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
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Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
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What desolation, who stopped the dailies? Who is this vision speaking of? The little horn. How long will the abomination of desolation caused by the little horn continue for? The answer is in the next verse:
Dan 8:14 - And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
This answer is pertaining to how long will the events of this vision, the events of the abomination continue for?
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
We know the abomination that causeth desolation did not start in ad 34. We know the little horn was not defeated in 1844. We know that the abomination that causeth desolation would last until the little horn was defeated and his fate is poured out on him(dan 9:27). We know that doesn't happen until Christ returns. This we know that the 2300 day prophecy could not have finished yet.
I'll try to go into more detail later, or actually make a video if possible. I'm pretty tired from the...
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
nightshift so I better go to sleep as deep thinking doesn't work so good when sleepy*lol*
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim The sanctuary will be cleansed is the court date starting trial, not the end of the world. There is an indication in the Bible, that judgement will begin in the time of the end. There is still the influence of the little horn in the papacy. But the image to the beast is still going to happened so it's not over UNTIL the END OF THE WORLD. Remember when the stone cut out without hands smite the image at the feet. That is when Jesus will come. Look at history it will show you.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
@jonathanbaby90
You don't seem to want to address that the 2300 day prophecy mentioned in Daniel 8 was pertaining to how long the dailies and the abomination would be allowed to pollute the sanctuary before it was cleansed of that particular defilement. That entire chapter speaks of how the little horn defiles the sanctuary and ends with how long he can.
Instead, you attach it to something completely unrelated and say that its speaking of the cleansing of the peoples sins from the sanctuary.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim You seem to ignore the whole picture. That's what is talking about in addition to the sins of God's enemies. The sanctuary cleansing is a vindication. You have yet to tell me what it means or any dates when the 2300 days begins, or when it ends. If you are so against what we believe, give a better alternative. Chapters 2,7,9 11 is speaking about the same things but with the addition of more detail. I have addressed over and over again, but it's not what you want to hear.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim It never said Unto 2300 days the sanctuary will come to an end, or the dailies will come to an end at the 2300 days. It says that the sanctuary will be cleansed. Judgement begins. You HAVE to look at the whole picture. The judgement, then the Second coming, when the power of the beast will come to an end. You never answered if you thought 2300 days meant the end of the world. You are the one that mention the image to the beast coming to and end. It is all related.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
@jonathanbaby90
I never said that the sanctuary would come to an end at the end of the 2300 days or that the dailies would end at the end of the 2300 days. Please re-read my comments in full.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
No, i do not believe that the 2300 days is the end of the world. I do not believe the world ends until after the 1000 year reign of Christ. Now I say end lightly because the earth remains but the garments are changed. However, I do believe that the 2300 days is the last allotted time given to dealing with mankind. I believe it pertains to the final week of 70, the one in which the antichrist makes a covenant with the people.
Half way through that covenant, he brings an end to the daily..
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
sacrifices, and sets up his image(the abomination of desolation, which stands in the holy place). And he succeeds in everything he does. He goes into the temple and declares himself to be God, and blasphemes all that is holy...he continues to do so until the end which is poured out upon him happens, which we know happens at Christ's return when he is cast into the lake of fire.
And we know that he stops defiling the temple at the end of the 2300 days, so I do believe that coincides with...
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
Christ's return and he defeats the antichrist and his army.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
The defilement done by the little horn stops at the end of the 2300 days. All that he does to pollute the temple stops, and we know he does that until he is defeated, and his end is set upon him. We know that this didn't happen in 1844 so we know the date of 2300 didn't end then.
I personally believe we are still waiting for the defilement of the little horn, and when it happens those in Judah are told to flee. I believe this coincides with the woman fleeing away from the dragon in Revelations
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
When this happens trouble beyond anything this world has ever experienced will fall, and the saints will be persecuted. I do not believe these events have taken place yet.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim I was referencing the defilement of the little horn that you mentioned. What is scary about your interpretation is that it puts everything into the future and ignores everything that has happened in the past. That is not only misinterpretations, but very dangerous. You ignore all the history that points to events that have happen. Just think if you are wrong and Christ comes very soon. That is what the enemy wants for everyone to think it's a far off time.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim I want you to get this clearly and study in the Word and history: The 2300, 1260, 1290, 70 weeks, have already ended. We are living at the time of the end. 1000 years for Satan to be bound on the earth (the bottomless pit) will be when God's people are in heaven. Wow! I can only pray that the Lord open your eyes to see the truth. Remember Jesus came within the 70 weeks, because within the 69th week, he was cut off. It all adds up. Just the fact
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
@jonathanbaby90
Au contrair, mon ami. The very fact you teach that the little horn is still going strong today shows something wrong with the 1844 theory because at the end of the 2300 days, and even the 1260 days shows him to be defeated in the final battle.
There are many reasons why 1844 is wrong. I suggest watching the various videos I have discussing 1844 and why the bible doesn't agree with that date and maybe check out other videos that refute it as well. One of the biggest...
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
problems with 1844 is the direct teaching that Jesus past through the second veil and entered the most holy place to begin the second phase of the atonement. Remember the Most Holy Place signified the very presence of God, the very dwelling place. The bible says:
Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
2 Cor 5:19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting...
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
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people's sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.
Hbr 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all].
Hbr 10:11 ¶ And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Hbr 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
Hbr 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Hbr 10:19 ¶ Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Hbr 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say,
Hbr 9:11 ¶ But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect....
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Hbr 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].
Hbr 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
Hbr 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often,.....
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
Hbr 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hbr 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time...
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
without sin unto salvation.
He appeared, just as the high priest did, in the presence of God and offered himself just as the high priest took the blood in and offered it unto God in his presence. Jesus already did this, he already performed the atoning work, this is why we can with boldness enter the presence of God, the most holy place because Jesus went in before.
He sat down next to God in the presence of God, this alone shows us that he was in the MHP before 1844.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
Before Jesus performed this work for us the way into the most holy place had not yet been given. This is why the priest performed his work once a year to show that the way in hadn't yet been made, but Jesus was that way in and because of him we can enter in. He didn't wait till 1844 to go in, and to say he did is to contradict scripture.
Jesus provided the atonement back in the disciples day, and this is why you can receive his righteousness and enter the presence of God today.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
Curious, can you tell me what Jesus did on the cross for you? What took place in those dark hours?
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Jesus died the second death for me, so that I do not have to die that death. He justifies me and sanctifies. He not only forgives, but he cleanses from all unrighteousness. Because of sin, I deserve to die, but Christ took my fall. The cross is the central theme. For me that is central, because He has rescued my life! I take that very personal.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
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The cross is the central theme, I completely agree:) What else did he do on the cross besides taking the second death for you and taking your fall?
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim I not sure what you want to hear. Christ death is my motivation to serve Him, out of love. Because of love for me He left heaven to live the life and to die the death. The cross also show to my dull senses that God has gone through a lot because of sin. This is what the great controversy is all about. This really sounds like a good note to end on.
What does the cross mean to you? I have a CD out called "He's Coming Again" with Tate Music Group. I wish you could hear it.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim You are right about Christ and Him crucified. His death brought a new and living way. There is no need for a earthly tabernacle. Christ has entered the tabernacle not made with hands, the true tabernacle as our high priest. Jesus came to the earth ( the courtyard of the sanctuary) and was baptized (the laver) was crucified(the brazen altar). Just as the blood was applied to the sanctuary, so Jesus blood is applied for us. What is the need for more time, if the cross is where it
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
Respond to this video... ends. I am not sure if this conversation is doing any of us any good, other than the fact it has help study more into what I believe. I see no contradiction of scripture in what I believe, but I see a whole lot in what you believe. The scriptures that you quote are true, in context, however,I think you miss the point. Jesus died for our sins, as a result, there was no more use for the ceremonial laws of the earthly sanctuary. He now is our High Priest.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim That sounds like it would be right, but there are some contradictions in scripture if you come to that conclusion. Remember, we have to read the Bible as a whole. If Daniel is saying that the Son of man went to the Ancient of Days to receive His kingdom, after the pompous words of the little horn; what is it talking about? In Daniel 8, it gives a time period about the sanctuary being cleansed. The only other language like that is in the OT of Leviticus. There is a court session.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
Respond to this video... Yes we can come boldly to the throne of grace, why? To receive help in time of need. Why do you think Christ in heaven as a high priest for? Is it just to sit down in God's presence. With your time period you have Him sitting there for a very long time. The symbols of the sanctuary gives the whole picture of God's plan. God wants to rid the universe of sin. The cleansing of the sanctuary is a vindication of God's truth and His people.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
Respond to this video... Now it mentions in Daniel about the the anointing of the MHP. Just as in the typical service the sanctuary was inauguration of the sanctuary, this was not the Day of atonement. This is biblical because it talks about that in the OT services of the earthly sanctuary. I have problems with Christ going straight to the MHP ministry if that is not the way the pattern outlines. I also can't get over Dan 7 when Christ is being brought to the Ancient of Days. I can't connect.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim All these scriptures are correct in context. Jesus is still sitting? Does He ever move? Does it mean literal position or status? The presence of God is not limited to the MHP. If you look in Daniel 7:9nThere is some movement going on there. After the pompous words of little horn in 7:8, you see thrones being set up, the Ancient of Days being seated , and the court coming into session. Now you see the Son of man coming in verse 18 not to the earth, but to the Ancient of Days.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim With more studying, I believe with you that there is not a literal veil in the sanctuary. I believe the Holy Place and the MHP is in the same room. The veil on earth was needed because of the glory of God and man. Why I say both, because in other parts of the NT, like Rev. There is reference to Holy Place furniture before the throne. I believe the prophets just put it in terms of the earthly sanctuary; like Paul saying Christ went behind the veil in Heb.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
@jonathanbaby90 According Hb 9, the most holy place represents the heavenly sanctuary when the holy place represents the earthly sanctuary. The fact that once a year the High Priest enters the holy of holies, it shows that he was not still in office as long as the great sacrifice was not made. So when Jesus ascended to minister for us he did not enter behind the veil ... in fact he is the veil and the only way by which we can meet the Father!
an35tares 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim I agree with the scriptures. But we both agree that Christ is a High Priest, interceding in our behalf. So not only His death, but the application of His death. Christ death is justification(just as if we never sin)
He wipes are slates clean, however, we still live in a sinful world, we need sanctification also. Hence the Holy Place experience of the Christian; feeding on the bread of life, prayer and witnessing. Christ has not finished, He still in heaven as our High Priest.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
Lets study and go over it together? We must First determine whats there before we can dig deeper into the interpretation of it.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
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Please permit me to ask a few questions to see if we can find some common ground with chapter 8, without interpretation:
1. Does chapter 8 speak of a little horn?
2. Does this little horn set up an abomination and stop the dailies?
3. Does the chapter say that these events will last 2300 day?
Lets just keep it simple for now, yes or no answers should suffice.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Yes for 1-2 and no for 3.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
@jo I am an exsda! As to me using the word crap, I thought it better then the word that starts with S. I guess I am sickened by this 1844 thing. Yes at 1 time I did think it was true. But after studying it for yrs, I found it is a false teaching. I don't have time to go into it now have to run
Hint Heb 9, 1st apartment = Jewish era 2nd apart= Christ's death, resurrection & going to the Father
High Priest went ones a yr, never without blood. Were is God, MHP were did Christ go? 2 the Father
game11221 3 months ago
@jonatTo debate this 1844 IJ thing, would take a very long time, I have much to say. Instead of posting 100's of post & or writing a book to send by way of PM. If u would like, I could send u a PM on were to find information
You could also read Desmond Fords book on this, the one that he presented to the General Conference Much info! over 900 pages. Or & research all u can find
Took me a very long time
U can do it or not! U can feed into it this doctrine, like I once did, or ? its truth
game11221 3 months ago
Respond to this video... Why do you ask me questions and not answer mine?
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
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Some I could not answer at work, due to not having access to full internet to look up the question about ellen white and the pyramid. I remember reading it somewhere, but currently I can't find it, so I'll check into it today and get back to you. You may wish to watch "seventh day abomination, mystery babylon connection", I believe it may mention something about it but I can't remember.
As for william miller being a freemason, if you can, check out "memoirs of william...
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
miller by Sylvester Bliss. He resigned from the log in September 1831. However, his teachings came from before he resigned. You are right, he didn't come up with 2300 days via ellen white. She was the one who accepted his and Samuel Snow's explanation of 2300 days.
The 2300 day prophecy is definitely biblical as we know from reading Daniel 8. I however disagree with the sda explanation. I'll search through and see if I missed any questions before I respond further to your current comments.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Ellen White initially believe the message of William Miller, but after the disappointment, she found out what it really meant. The interpretation that Ellen White and the rest of our church, is different ,in that we believe in the heavenly sanctuary. The cleansing of the sanctuary and not the earth at the end of the 2300 days.William Miller did not understand it himself. As for Samuel Snow. I don't know who he is.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
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she may not have been but the teachings she garnered from william miller were riddled with masonic teachings and symbolism as he was a freemason. She has also been honored with a masonic gravestone marker over her grave.
As for the on the "wing of the temple" its from verse 27 of dan 9, NIV. We know via other passages that the antichrist sets up an abomination in the holy place(dan 8,9 and mat 24..even revelations.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim If she wasn't a freemason, how did she get that on her gravestone.? I will research the truth about it and not take your word. Also about William Miller. I don't know what he was, just know that the Lord can use anyone. I've been looking an exposing freemasonry to my children, and there were a lot of people, including some of our founding father's involved in it. Never have i read that William Miller was one.
You think I will be happy about your accusations.
jonathanbaby90 3 months ago
all these groups including sdas know that without the visions and their books people would not draw the same conclusion.
Hence the need for ellens writings and her visions etc. Don't get me wrong, there are some truths...sdas aren't totally wrong. They believe in a triune God, in god coming in the flesh, in his death on the cross and the resurrection but much of the other half of the message is not biblical.
Myhopeisinhim 3 months ago