I lick is not meant to be learned from someone else. A lick is a signature only the guitarist can find within his own bio methods. Hence every guitarist has there own signature licks.
It's my own opinion (and experience) that studying many different licks (particularly in the same key) makes a person familiar with sounds they might not have imagined beforehand. It also gives a person a grasp on what is possible in a given position - not necessarily a practiced lick, but a sense of familiarity with the sounds, positions, and patterns that are possible and come out as music when you improvise.
Also dutch, I've heard that you had a previous account with more videos. If you have any more videos like the ones you have on Charlie Parker licks and Joy Spring that would be awesome .
My whole thing is I only "attempt" to study the few licks that really catch my ear, as opposed to whole solos. You also don't have to play them note for note; I like to get a certain lick down and then see where my mind takes me. Also, I use them to get into the mind of how that player is treating the harmony as he or she is improvising. For example, your Clifford Brown "Joy Spring" video, was really cool for seeing some ways to incorporate passing tones to my ear and my playing.
With all respect I don't believe in studying licks because those where composed during "instant composing". I believe in the greater context,the flow of things(so to speak) clearly what's played before and after such a lick is evident, now in analyses such a lick is drawn "out of context" and there my problem lies. The guys (Charlie Parker) who created these licks played them in the instant,they're not meant to be re-created,that's my philosophy,I've said it,greets Vic.
That you don't believe in studying licks is ok with me. I have mixed feelings myself. But Charlie Parker did have certain licks and formulas that he repeated over and over again (e.g. the Honeysuckle Rose motif). But discussing that here is hardly possible.
True Dick,the most important thing is that you follow your Heart what works for you and of-course what benefits in the long term.Every individual is committed to certain over-thought formulas or concepts (which I strongly believe in) which are interpreted freely in ones playing, I agree that this discussion acquires an in depth conversation,more a person to person contact. Any way my respect for you as a devoted improviser is on the spot no matter what you believe, Vic.
Indeed, lick practise can be a double edged sword for better or worse. Now, I am nowhere near the level of you guys in terms of musicality and experience, but I find I tend to favor both approaches. If I find I lick I like, I try to make it my own through dissecting it and varying it in all possible ways. In the end it is the music that counts. It is when the lick appears spontaneously that one has arrived at the goal, I feel. Just stringing together a bunch of licks is never good.
Hi Vic, I just found your conversation here! i agree with you, and i like the word "instant composing", great. and you are right. the problem of licks is the use as quick solution for no ideas in that moment. We all play some licks, even if we don´t realize it. but that can´t be the meaning of playing, not for me. The MOMENT is important, and as I said on this channel, I never repeatet a solo someone else had played before....why? The African people say, everybody has his OWN melody, Frank
Frank, I used to sit and copy solo's from Wes and Kenny Burrel ,Joe Pass, but those where mainly to understand what they playing and how they got that specific sound(Zen=from one thing know 10.000 things),how they used approach notes etc. I found out later that listening to the greater WHOLE is more important. in Zen: everybody's got their own song,boils down to the same philosophy,greets Amigo.
@MrFreshSmile Well of course in that perspective it's OK and I think you're talking more about the Idea behind the notes, once you interpret that in your own way that's Cool, Vic.
@Jazzguts It's a complete fallacy to think that jazz solos are created in an instant. Even Charlie Parker or Art Tatum repeats stuff. Do you know of any other channels to cop licks from dutch bobber?
@ZurabMelua Sure it is,it will only never come out the way you've studied it in spontaneous improvisation, or the whole solo will sound like a pre-conceived thing,that's not the essence of Jazz.
@Jazzguts u know, some great jazz musicians teach to learn licks.. they use the theory that improvisation is a language and licks are like words to be put into sentences.. even Monk, Davis and those guys "learned" they ideas studying classical music and "creatin" ideas.. they don't use to be 100% instant composed, but they use to have ideas that are developed as they play their soloes.. jazz is fun! :D
When your are learning these licks, do you do anything else with them. Because whenever i learn a new ii v lick it never seems to pop up into my playing?...any advise on how to really sink it into the ears mind and fingers?
I lick is not meant to be learned from someone else. A lick is a signature only the guitarist can find within his own bio methods. Hence every guitarist has there own signature licks.
rentz46 1 week ago
are these all in the same key? all major?
iloverumi 9 months ago
Extremely useful!! How about some Joe Pass licks...
closetome 10 months ago
It's my own opinion (and experience) that studying many different licks (particularly in the same key) makes a person familiar with sounds they might not have imagined beforehand. It also gives a person a grasp on what is possible in a given position - not necessarily a practiced lick, but a sense of familiarity with the sounds, positions, and patterns that are possible and come out as music when you improvise.
tokugijoo 1 year ago
Dick Thank you for taking the time and energy to play these licks .. They are really cool !! : )))
SIRONEDRAGON 2 years ago
Also dutch, I've heard that you had a previous account with more videos. If you have any more videos like the ones you have on Charlie Parker licks and Joy Spring that would be awesome .
montes707 2 years ago
My whole thing is I only "attempt" to study the few licks that really catch my ear, as opposed to whole solos. You also don't have to play them note for note; I like to get a certain lick down and then see where my mind takes me. Also, I use them to get into the mind of how that player is treating the harmony as he or she is improvising. For example, your Clifford Brown "Joy Spring" video, was really cool for seeing some ways to incorporate passing tones to my ear and my playing.
montes707 2 years ago
This is very helpful. Thanks!
pamirs94 2 years ago
With all respect I don't believe in studying licks because those where composed during "instant composing". I believe in the greater context,the flow of things(so to speak) clearly what's played before and after such a lick is evident, now in analyses such a lick is drawn "out of context" and there my problem lies. The guys (Charlie Parker) who created these licks played them in the instant,they're not meant to be re-created,that's my philosophy,I've said it,greets Vic.
Jazzguts 2 years ago
That you don't believe in studying licks is ok with me. I have mixed feelings myself. But Charlie Parker did have certain licks and formulas that he repeated over and over again (e.g. the Honeysuckle Rose motif). But discussing that here is hardly possible.
dutchbopper 2 years ago
True Dick,the most important thing is that you follow your Heart what works for you and of-course what benefits in the long term.Every individual is committed to certain over-thought formulas or concepts (which I strongly believe in) which are interpreted freely in ones playing, I agree that this discussion acquires an in depth conversation,more a person to person contact. Any way my respect for you as a devoted improviser is on the spot no matter what you believe, Vic.
Jazzguts 2 years ago
Indeed, lick practise can be a double edged sword for better or worse. Now, I am nowhere near the level of you guys in terms of musicality and experience, but I find I tend to favor both approaches. If I find I lick I like, I try to make it my own through dissecting it and varying it in all possible ways. In the end it is the music that counts. It is when the lick appears spontaneously that one has arrived at the goal, I feel. Just stringing together a bunch of licks is never good.
AmundLauritzen 2 years ago
Hi Vic, I just found your conversation here! i agree with you, and i like the word "instant composing", great. and you are right. the problem of licks is the use as quick solution for no ideas in that moment. We all play some licks, even if we don´t realize it. but that can´t be the meaning of playing, not for me. The MOMENT is important, and as I said on this channel, I never repeatet a solo someone else had played before....why? The African people say, everybody has his OWN melody, Frank
VenusAndMars1 2 years ago
Frank, I used to sit and copy solo's from Wes and Kenny Burrel ,Joe Pass, but those where mainly to understand what they playing and how they got that specific sound(Zen=from one thing know 10.000 things),how they used approach notes etc. I found out later that listening to the greater WHOLE is more important. in Zen: everybody's got their own song,boils down to the same philosophy,greets Amigo.
Jazzguts 2 years ago
@Jazzguts studying licks is useful to learn a musician's solutions, of course they're not meant to be reproduced. That's how I see it. (:
MrFreshSmile 1 year ago
@MrFreshSmile Well of course in that perspective it's OK and I think you're talking more about the Idea behind the notes, once you interpret that in your own way that's Cool, Vic.
Jazzguts 1 year ago
@Jazzguts It's a complete fallacy to think that jazz solos are created in an instant. Even Charlie Parker or Art Tatum repeats stuff. Do you know of any other channels to cop licks from dutch bobber?
closetome 10 months ago
@Jazzguts You can't make something from nothing....I think transcribing and analysing licks is essential.
ZurabMelua 7 months ago
@ZurabMelua Sure it is,it will only never come out the way you've studied it in spontaneous improvisation, or the whole solo will sound like a pre-conceived thing,that's not the essence of Jazz.
Jazzguts 7 months ago
@Jazzguts u know, some great jazz musicians teach to learn licks.. they use the theory that improvisation is a language and licks are like words to be put into sentences.. even Monk, Davis and those guys "learned" they ideas studying classical music and "creatin" ideas.. they don't use to be 100% instant composed, but they use to have ideas that are developed as they play their soloes.. jazz is fun! :D
sylviinho 1 week ago
I'm gonna have a lot of fun learning these on the bass and trying to implement them in my playing.
Thanks :)
uspmgs 2 years ago
Thank you!
emixolydian 2 years ago
When your are learning these licks, do you do anything else with them. Because whenever i learn a new ii v lick it never seems to pop up into my playing?...any advise on how to really sink it into the ears mind and fingers?
unibomber111 2 years ago
For me it helps to sequence it over a bunch of descending ii-V's. Bm7 E7 Am7 D7 Gm7 C7 F, for instance.
emixolydian 2 years ago
Some of the licks make it into my playing, others don't. Not sure why. Maybe you have to play them a long time for one to do so.
dutchbopper 2 years ago
thanks !
viniguitarjazz 2 years ago