1 Timothy 2:11-15 It sounds hard but he is the potter and we are the clay,I have never seen clay tell the potter what to do or how to make it.we are who we are and there is nothing we can do about it with out going to hell.2 John verse 9 Says, Whosoever transgresseth,and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,hath not god,He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,he hath both the father and the son.He who has an ear to hear let him or her hear!
Acts 8:4-13 - People were convinced that the logic behind the gospel of the church(kingdom) and Jesus is true because it was confirmed by the undeniable miracles that Philip demonstrated.
Acts 8:14-17 - But then the people had to wait for the apostles to come in order to lay hands on them for them to also receive the Holy Spirit's gifts.
Acts 8:18-19 - Luke recorded Simon's observation that this is how it happens.
Scriptural approval for man-made religious creed books, please.
that story isn't setting a pattern - it's saying that simon tried to buy the ability to lay hands and give the Holy Spirit. he had impure motives - he was "full of bitterness and a captive to sin". Peter didn't say, "this is something only apostles are able to do."
i thought we were supposed to be silent where the Bible is silent, and you are putting words in Peter's mouth.
You missed all the part where the Bible spoke. I don't expect to keep repeating myself to you on this: "Acts 8:14-17 People had to wait for the apostles to come in order to lay hands on them for them to also receive the Holy Spirit's gifts. Acts 8:18-19 Luke recorded Simon's observation that this is how it happens." - How long did they have to wait for Peter and John to come from Jerusalem? And why didn't Philip (or the Spirit Himself) just say, oh that's okay, we don't have to wait for -them- ?
1. Surely you know not to "add" nor "take away"--but fine: if your "faith" comes by hearing stuff other than the word of God, then it is not true faith, is not pleasing to God, and is sin. Rom 10:17; Heb 11:6a; Rom 14:23b.
2. 3. Yes. Singing spiritual songs is teaching, and visual teaching aids are authorized. Col 3:16; Acts 21:10-11; 1Co 10:23.
4. 5. "My" websites? Interpretation? Do you mean scriptural approval for widespread preaching of the gospel? Mt 28:19-20; Acts 8:4; 28:31; et al.
u r in a "tradition of men", 2. u can't provide any proof that ur particular brand of church has been around since 1st century. u r in the same boat as the rest of us, sorry 2 tell u.
do u know that cofC people publish books that r'nt all scripture? where do they get the authorization? ur words here on this site r not all scripture. where do u get authorization? why don't u hold urself to the same standard u put on other ppl?
where is "church of Christ" in Scripture? careful...
u are very well trained in prooftexting. all u r doing is taking verses and pushing them to fit ur opinion. u do this w/the verses that fit ur doctrine but ignore verses that don't.
examples:
xtreme:
why don't u cut off ur hand when u sin? Matt 5:30
Scriptural approval for man-made religious creed books, please. (If you don't know the difference between a creed book and preaching, then you've got worse problems Acts 28:27 than I thought.)
Just how many particular Christian bodies have scriptural authorization?
the only diff between preaching and a creed book is that one is written down and the other is spoken. every time one of u posts a new preaching vid on youtube u are posting a creed - when others agree they are agreeing with that statement of faith.
a creed is a concise explanation of someone's interpretation of Scripture as it relates to their context and the context of Scripture. It's an expression of religious belief based on the Bible.
Since I couldn't find "creed" in the Bible (and therefore won't find it defined there), I went to some dictionaries. Lo and behold, some key words and phrases:
"codification of" "authoritative, formulated statement of" - from an unabridged dictionary based on Random House 2009 Dictionary
"formal statement of" - 2006 American Heritage Dictionary
Creed books are not the same as "preaching" with "the only diff" being they're "written down" -- all these *manuals* (how-to's) and *creeds* (formal codified statements of doctrine) and everything are instructing, "This Is How You Make THIS Religion."
The Lord's church does have a creed book and a manual: The Holy Bible.
Everything else? Just preaching.
Again, if you don't see the difference between a creed book and preaching, then you've got worse problems Acts 28:27 than I thought.
these items u list do not have authority. they r written by people to underscore what believers hold to in scripture. u know if u go to a church that recites the nicene creed, that it is a church that (at least on the surface) is a Biblical, orthodox church. why? because the NC is a Biblical, orthodox statement of faith. if u refuse to say the NC with the rest of the church u aren't thrown out. the NC has no authority. & most Biblical ch's wouldn't use a creed that is counter-scriptural.
"we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins" - from the Nicene Creed
"the NC is a Biblical, orthodox statement of faith." - from so-called "religiousreview"
So are you saying anyone's faith that claims multiple baptisms, and/or baptism unto reasons other than the remission of sins -- that their faith is *not* Biblical/orthodox?
Are the Pentecostals/Apostolics (one in Godhead) unbiblical?
Are all the Charismatics (2+ baptisms) unbiblical?
ur creed is seen weekly on tv and on utube. u are constantly giving statements of faith. the difference is u don't write them down. so what? u print them up on dvds and pound them out on the web. it's the 21st century equivalent of publishing ur creed.
there's nothing wrong with doing either, btw. but u guyz luv so much to tear other people down for the slightest infractions - when u often do the same things - w/just a slight difference.
Don't forget the printed leaflets, tracts, books, posters, etc.
We're not tearing down for the slightest infractions. We're tearing down man-made doctrines that send people to Hell. "The church is not important." Lie. "The church is not the kingdom." Lie. "Worship how ever you feel like." Lie. "The Father AND the Son don't coexist." Lie. "Faith only." Lie. "Once saved, always saved." Lie. "New prophecy still occurs today." Lie. "Thou shalt not judge." Lie. "Blindly follow the Pastor." All lies.
we have "authority" to use creeds because the NT writers used creeds. here're two easy examples, but they aren't the only ones: 1 Cor. 15:3-7; Phil. 2:6-11.
no, the NT writers didn't use the word "creed", but they also didn't use the word "trinity" and u believe that, don't u? they give examples of creeds.
u guys r all about authority, right? there's ur authority for statements of faith - or creeds.
The churches that MEN built are still putting their own doctrine up instead of God's word. See above for some examples of lies. Another: "Evolution and Old Earth." Lie. (And if one is prone to disbelieve Genesis, they're prone to disbelieve Jesus, John 5:46.) The list goes on.
maybe some are, but not all, and u can find such thing in every religious body, including the churches of Christ.
don't believe me? what about the doctrine that says u must observe the Lord's Supper each week or lose ur salvation, when that ain't nowhere in the Bible? what about the doctrine that says u can't play a piano in worship without losing ur salvation, when that ain't nowhere in the Bible?
"we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins" - from the Nicene Creed
"the NC is a Biblical, orthodox statement of faith." - from so-called "religiousreview"
So are you saying anyone's faith that claims multiple baptisms, and/or baptism unto reasons other than the remission of sins -- that their faith is *not* Biblical/orthodox?
Are the Pentecostals/Apostolics (one in Godhead) unbiblical?
Are all the Charismatics (2+ baptisms) unbiblical?
I can't speak for ParodyKnaveBob here, but we (as in me and my local congregation) don't preach as doctrine that one can lose their salvation by not partaking of the Lord's supper or musical instrument playing. Rather, we want to simply do what the Bible says, which is gathering together on Sundays to break bread (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:25) and we sing without mechanical instruments since there is no command to do so (Colossians 3:16, Ephesians 5:19). Just singing there.
PKB, maybe u'd like to clarify this question for us. is it taught in the assembly where u assemble that a person can lose his or her salvation if they do not partake in the LS every week or play a musical instrument in worship? i'm curious 2 know.
I already answered above, Heb 10:26-27. If you sin willfully, you'll have a "certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation"--and since Concatenate *recognizes* that the Bible *says* to worship on Sunday in communion and singing (and other things), it's beyond me how Concatenate can justify "forsaking the assembly"--or corrupting it by changing the worship, such as the Lord's supper in 1Cor 11:17,29, or acting differently than the likes of scriptures such as Heb 2:12; 13:15; etc.
The conversion account of some of the Ephesians in Acts 19:1-6: "And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye BAPTIZED? And they said, Unto John's baptism..." (cont., emp added mine)
"...Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." (emp added mine) If all we have to do is have faith, why were these people baptized twice???
No, I don't, because neither Paul nor any of the other apostles have laid their hands on me to impart any of the miraculous gifts of the Holy Ghost to me.
Jesus, himself, said that belief (faith) was a work in John 6:29.
Eph 2:4-10 - "But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved.
..."And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."
In scripture, the word "religion" is also translated "worshiping"--and our English word "religion" came from Latin in the first place, from words meaning "to bind" or "to tie" or "to fasten".
Ever since the 1600s-or-so, "Baptist" has been the name carried by the institution structured by a set of rules, traditions, doctrines, etc. and populated with adherents to this set. Adherents thus making this particular church, this body of believers. And how would one find out about the Baptist church?
Not in the Bible, of course. One has to go to a man-made manual (such as Hiscox's) to learn how to structure the Baptist Church via its rules, traditions, doctrines, etc. which are -admitted- in such to be different from Christ's church of the first century (and not something prophesied in scripture to change, either).
Therefore, to be Baptist, to be in the Baptist Church, to be in the Baptist division-by-name (denomination), to be in the Baptist faith--all of which Baptists willingly say,
baptists can be Christians, bro. sorry to rain on your parade, but baptists can be Christians, presbyterians, lutherans, methodists, assemblies of God, etc. all CAN be Christians. and you know why? b/c God is the one who decides who is believer and not YOU. sorry, dude.
"God is the one who decides who is believer and not YOU."
Oh, I agree! And fortunately, God's Spirit wrote down the mind of Christ, 1Cor 2:10-16, so that we can know just exactly how -He- determines who's His or not, Eph 3:4; John 7:24; 2Pet 1:20, and thus -try- people for -ourselves,- using -His- standard, 1John 4:1, and not some kind of false salvation standard we come up with on our own, 2Tim 1:9, such as "faith only," Jas 2:24. (After all, ANYone can have faith only, Jas 2:19.)
And in short, that's where the man-made religions go wrong. De 4:2; 12:32; Pro 30:5; Rev 22:18-19 is clearly a continual principle.
Baptists have to go by doctrines added to the Bible (manuals) to get the Baptist Church because the Bible simply does not construct a Baptist Church. Methodists have to doctrines added to the Bible (discipline) to get the Methodist Church for the same reason. Presbyterians have to add as well (confessions of faith) again for the same reason.
Like you said, God is the One Who decides. And aren't we blessed to know His mind before judgment day! (John 12:48) He didn't just throw us to the wind that we couldn't know His will. No! He had His will written down looong before judgment day so that we could read from it every day of our lives if we wanted.
And by reading His mind on the matter, we can see who on earth is not in covenant with Him, and who is faithful in covenant with Him, and who has left covenant with Him. Isn't He good?
i suppose b/c "ParodyKnaveBob" or johnny robertson or some other person says it is so, then it must be.
give me a break. this is what where we come around full circle, that you have absolutely no right to say that going to a baptist church condemns you to hell. baptists are Christians because they follow Christ. same with any other denomination where people have put their trust and their faith in Jesus. this includes your own denomination.
you guys are so bound up with this idea that manuals or some other text are unbiblical. while there are some people who put too much stock in the literature their denominations put out to help them understand how the church will operate, most people look at those books second - after Scripture. if what the "book" says goes against what "The Book" says, they will typically change the "book". they are simply how that particular church interprets "The Book" - like what you guys are doing online.
says the man with the manual. LOL Jesus answered the devil with "it is written" . Well the baptist church is not written . Some of the vulgar peaople I've ever met were in the baptist church which is not written
i don't have a manual. i have a Bible. most people in the pews don't read the manuals - they read their Bibles. you guys like to spread disinformation like this - like baptists or other groups do family devotions around their baptist faith and mission. well, no baptist that i know does this.
as to vulgar "peaople" being in the baptist church - you aren't lacking that resource in the church of Christ, my friend. vulgar "peaople" can be found in every church - including church of Christ.
Chrissy , you are a closet baptist that was baptized into the baptist church. The preachers use the manuals and the people go along with it. Baptist are the Most vulgar , vile people I have ever met and you make a great baptist
"Chrissy"? dude you have no idea who i am. but even if you were right aren't you being the very thing you're complaining about all in the same sentence? what about Matthew 5:44?
Matthew 5:44, studyjesus. it's also Christianity 101.
it's really not easy to love people who you consider to be your enemies, is it? imagine if you were a Christian in Palestine, or in some mid east country where your family was being really persecuted for their faith. but still, Christ commands it.
us? we are praying for you guys, and especially that you would study Jesus and be set free.
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1 Timothy 2:11-15 It sounds hard but he is the potter and we are the clay,I have never seen clay tell the potter what to do or how to make it.we are who we are and there is nothing we can do about it with out going to hell.2 John verse 9 Says, Whosoever transgresseth,and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,hath not god,He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,he hath both the father and the son.He who has an ear to hear let him or her hear!
brotherfrank62 1 year ago
Acts 8:4-13 - People were convinced that the logic behind the gospel of the church(kingdom) and Jesus is true because it was confirmed by the undeniable miracles that Philip demonstrated.
Acts 8:14-17 - But then the people had to wait for the apostles to come in order to lay hands on them for them to also receive the Holy Spirit's gifts.
Acts 8:18-19 - Luke recorded Simon's observation that this is how it happens.
Scriptural approval for man-made religious creed books, please.
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
that story isn't setting a pattern - it's saying that simon tried to buy the ability to lay hands and give the Holy Spirit. he had impure motives - he was "full of bitterness and a captive to sin". Peter didn't say, "this is something only apostles are able to do."
i thought we were supposed to be silent where the Bible is silent, and you are putting words in Peter's mouth.
religiousreview 2 years ago
You missed all the part where the Bible spoke. I don't expect to keep repeating myself to you on this: "Acts 8:14-17 People had to wait for the apostles to come in order to lay hands on them for them to also receive the Holy Spirit's gifts. Acts 8:18-19 Luke recorded Simon's observation that this is how it happens." - How long did they have to wait for Peter and John to come from Jerusalem? And why didn't Philip (or the Spirit Himself) just say, oh that's okay, we don't have to wait for -them- ?
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
The need for scriptural approval for man-made religious creed books please?
Do you have scriptural approval for songbooks?
Do you have scriptural approval for using powerpoint?
Creed books only spell out how a particular Chrisitan body interprets Scripture. Your multitude of cofC websites do the same thing, dude.
Where is your scriptural approval to build church of Christ websites to express your interpretation of Scripture?
religiousreview 2 years ago
1. Surely you know not to "add" nor "take away"--but fine: if your "faith" comes by hearing stuff other than the word of God, then it is not true faith, is not pleasing to God, and is sin. Rom 10:17; Heb 11:6a; Rom 14:23b.
2. 3. Yes. Singing spiritual songs is teaching, and visual teaching aids are authorized. Col 3:16; Acts 21:10-11; 1Co 10:23.
4. 5. "My" websites? Interpretation? Do you mean scriptural approval for widespread preaching of the gospel? Mt 28:19-20; Acts 8:4; 28:31; et al.
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
Amazing that you call us Pharisees. How about you stop playing around with Caesar's coin and instead discuss your traditions of men?
Scriptural approval for man-made religious creed books, please.
And while we're at it, just how many particular Christian bodies have scriptural authorization?
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
u r in a "tradition of men", 2. u can't provide any proof that ur particular brand of church has been around since 1st century. u r in the same boat as the rest of us, sorry 2 tell u.
do u know that cofC people publish books that r'nt all scripture? where do they get the authorization? ur words here on this site r not all scripture. where do u get authorization? why don't u hold urself to the same standard u put on other ppl?
where is "church of Christ" in Scripture? careful...
religiousreview 2 years ago
u are very well trained in prooftexting. all u r doing is taking verses and pushing them to fit ur opinion. u do this w/the verses that fit ur doctrine but ignore verses that don't.
examples:
xtreme:
why don't u cut off ur hand when u sin? Matt 5:30
why don't u poke out ur eye when u sin? Mark 9:47
doctrine
why don't u practice the gifts of the HS? 1 Cor 12:7-11
why don't u teach once saved? Jn 5:24; Rom 8:1, 8:35; Eph 4:30; Phil 1:6; Heb 7:25; 1 Pe 1:5.
we could play this game all day.
religiousreview 2 years ago
I'm not playing your game. You haven't answered:
Scriptural approval for man-made religious creed books, please. (If you don't know the difference between a creed book and preaching, then you've got worse problems Acts 28:27 than I thought.)
Just how many particular Christian bodies have scriptural authorization?
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
the only diff between preaching and a creed book is that one is written down and the other is spoken. every time one of u posts a new preaching vid on youtube u are posting a creed - when others agree they are agreeing with that statement of faith.
a creed is a concise explanation of someone's interpretation of Scripture as it relates to their context and the context of Scripture. It's an expression of religious belief based on the Bible.
and don't forget that cofC ppl write books too.
religiousreview 2 years ago
Since I couldn't find "creed" in the Bible (and therefore won't find it defined there), I went to some dictionaries. Lo and behold, some key words and phrases:
"codification of" "authoritative, formulated statement of" - from an unabridged dictionary based on Random House 2009 Dictionary
"formal statement of" - 2006 American Heritage Dictionary
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
Creed books are not the same as "preaching" with "the only diff" being they're "written down" -- all these *manuals* (how-to's) and *creeds* (formal codified statements of doctrine) and everything are instructing, "This Is How You Make THIS Religion."
The Lord's church does have a creed book and a manual: The Holy Bible.
Everything else? Just preaching.
Again, if you don't see the difference between a creed book and preaching, then you've got worse problems Acts 28:27 than I thought.
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
"are instructing"
Let me clarify before you jump up and down with glee that preaching is also instructing.
Manuals, creeds, articles of faith, catechisms, etc. etc. etc. are AUTHORITATIVELY instructing.
I can read a book of sermons by one of my brethren. It's not authoritative. The Bible is authoritative.
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
these items u list do not have authority. they r written by people to underscore what believers hold to in scripture. u know if u go to a church that recites the nicene creed, that it is a church that (at least on the surface) is a Biblical, orthodox church. why? because the NC is a Biblical, orthodox statement of faith. if u refuse to say the NC with the rest of the church u aren't thrown out. the NC has no authority. & most Biblical ch's wouldn't use a creed that is counter-scriptural.
religiousreview 2 years ago
"we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins" - from the Nicene Creed
"the NC is a Biblical, orthodox statement of faith." - from so-called "religiousreview"
So are you saying anyone's faith that claims multiple baptisms, and/or baptism unto reasons other than the remission of sins -- that their faith is *not* Biblical/orthodox?
Are the Pentecostals/Apostolics (one in Godhead) unbiblical?
Are all the Charismatics (2+ baptisms) unbiblical?
Are the Baptists (baptism for other reasons)?
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
this is what u guyz do all the time.
ur creed is seen weekly on tv and on utube. u are constantly giving statements of faith. the difference is u don't write them down. so what? u print them up on dvds and pound them out on the web. it's the 21st century equivalent of publishing ur creed.
there's nothing wrong with doing either, btw. but u guyz luv so much to tear other people down for the slightest infractions - when u often do the same things - w/just a slight difference.
mirror...
religiousreview 2 years ago
Don't forget the printed leaflets, tracts, books, posters, etc.
We're not tearing down for the slightest infractions. We're tearing down man-made doctrines that send people to Hell. "The church is not important." Lie. "The church is not the kingdom." Lie. "Worship how ever you feel like." Lie. "The Father AND the Son don't coexist." Lie. "Faith only." Lie. "Once saved, always saved." Lie. "New prophecy still occurs today." Lie. "Thou shalt not judge." Lie. "Blindly follow the Pastor." All lies.
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
we have "authority" to use creeds because the NT writers used creeds. here're two easy examples, but they aren't the only ones: 1 Cor. 15:3-7; Phil. 2:6-11.
no, the NT writers didn't use the word "creed", but they also didn't use the word "trinity" and u believe that, don't u? they give examples of creeds.
u guys r all about authority, right? there's ur authority for statements of faith - or creeds.
religiousreview 2 years ago
It doesn't matter what word you use:
Mt 15:9
The churches that MEN built are still putting their own doctrine up instead of God's word. See above for some examples of lies. Another: "Evolution and Old Earth." Lie. (And if one is prone to disbelieve Genesis, they're prone to disbelieve Jesus, John 5:46.) The list goes on.
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
maybe some are, but not all, and u can find such thing in every religious body, including the churches of Christ.
don't believe me? what about the doctrine that says u must observe the Lord's Supper each week or lose ur salvation, when that ain't nowhere in the Bible? what about the doctrine that says u can't play a piano in worship without losing ur salvation, when that ain't nowhere in the Bible?
The list goes on.
religiousreview 2 years ago
Heb 10:26-27 the doctrine that says u must not sin willfully or else lose ur salvation.
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
"we acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins" - from the Nicene Creed
"the NC is a Biblical, orthodox statement of faith." - from so-called "religiousreview"
So are you saying anyone's faith that claims multiple baptisms, and/or baptism unto reasons other than the remission of sins -- that their faith is *not* Biblical/orthodox?
Are the Pentecostals/Apostolics (one in Godhead) unbiblical?
Are all the Charismatics (2+ baptisms) unbiblical?
Are the Baptists (baptism for other reasons)?
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
I can't speak for ParodyKnaveBob here, but we (as in me and my local congregation) don't preach as doctrine that one can lose their salvation by not partaking of the Lord's supper or musical instrument playing. Rather, we want to simply do what the Bible says, which is gathering together on Sundays to break bread (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:25) and we sing without mechanical instruments since there is no command to do so (Colossians 3:16, Ephesians 5:19). Just singing there.
Concatenate 2 years ago
PKB, maybe u'd like to clarify this question for us. is it taught in the assembly where u assemble that a person can lose his or her salvation if they do not partake in the LS every week or play a musical instrument in worship? i'm curious 2 know.
religiousreview 2 years ago
I already answered above, Heb 10:26-27. If you sin willfully, you'll have a "certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation"--and since Concatenate *recognizes* that the Bible *says* to worship on Sunday in communion and singing (and other things), it's beyond me how Concatenate can justify "forsaking the assembly"--or corrupting it by changing the worship, such as the Lord's supper in 1Cor 11:17,29, or acting differently than the likes of scriptures such as Heb 2:12; 13:15; etc.
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
Now, "religiousreview," about my questions in relation to the Nicene Creed and churches today, up above, if you please.
ParodyKnaveBob 2 years ago
The conversion account of some of the Ephesians in Acts 19:1-6: "And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye BAPTIZED? And they said, Unto John's baptism..." (cont., emp added mine)
bfd821 2 years ago
"...Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied." (emp added mine) If all we have to do is have faith, why were these people baptized twice???
bfd821 2 years ago
you'd have to ask Paul that question. he's the one who said that "by grace you have been saved, through faith... not by works".
question: do you speak in tongues and prophesy?
religiousreview 2 years ago
No, I don't, because neither Paul nor any of the other apostles have laid their hands on me to impart any of the miraculous gifts of the Holy Ghost to me.
Jesus, himself, said that belief (faith) was a work in John 6:29.
bfd821 2 years ago
Scriptural imperative for needing an Apostle to lay his hands upon you to impart miraculous gifts of the Holy Ghost, please.
religiousreview 2 years ago
Eph 2:4-10 - "But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions--it is by grace you have been saved.
con't...
religiousreview 2 years ago
..."And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."
religiousreview 2 years ago
In scripture, the word "religion" is also translated "worshiping"--and our English word "religion" came from Latin in the first place, from words meaning "to bind" or "to tie" or "to fasten".
Ever since the 1600s-or-so, "Baptist" has been the name carried by the institution structured by a set of rules, traditions, doctrines, etc. and populated with adherents to this set. Adherents thus making this particular church, this body of believers. And how would one find out about the Baptist church?
ParodyKnaveBob 3 years ago
Not in the Bible, of course. One has to go to a man-made manual (such as Hiscox's) to learn how to structure the Baptist Church via its rules, traditions, doctrines, etc. which are -admitted- in such to be different from Christ's church of the first century (and not something prophesied in scripture to change, either).
Therefore, to be Baptist, to be in the Baptist Church, to be in the Baptist division-by-name (denomination), to be in the Baptist faith--all of which Baptists willingly say,
ParodyKnaveBob 3 years ago
claim to be, etc.--one must
1. not be bound to the institution structured in scripture, (Christianity,) and instead
2. bind oneself to the man-made articles of faith that construct the Baptist Church.
Or otherwise stated,
1. not be in Christ's religion, but rather
2. be in the Baptist religion.
Or otherwise stated,
1. not be in the church of Christ, but rather
2. be in the Baptist Church.
It's very simple logic, really. One canNOT be a Baptist and a Christian. Therefore,
ParodyKnaveBob 3 years ago
no, Baptists are NOT Christians.
Which this young lady finally saw, and a.s.a.p. left behind the man-made Baptist religion in order to have Jesus add her to His own religion.
ParodyKnaveBob 3 years ago
baptists can be Christians, bro. sorry to rain on your parade, but baptists can be Christians, presbyterians, lutherans, methodists, assemblies of God, etc. all CAN be Christians. and you know why? b/c God is the one who decides who is believer and not YOU. sorry, dude.
religiousreview 3 years ago
"God is the one who decides who is believer and not YOU."
Oh, I agree! And fortunately, God's Spirit wrote down the mind of Christ, 1Cor 2:10-16, so that we can know just exactly how -He- determines who's His or not, Eph 3:4; John 7:24; 2Pet 1:20, and thus -try- people for -ourselves,- using -His- standard, 1John 4:1, and not some kind of false salvation standard we come up with on our own, 2Tim 1:9, such as "faith only," Jas 2:24. (After all, ANYone can have faith only, Jas 2:19.)
ParodyKnaveBob 3 years ago
And in short, that's where the man-made religions go wrong. De 4:2; 12:32; Pro 30:5; Rev 22:18-19 is clearly a continual principle.
Baptists have to go by doctrines added to the Bible (manuals) to get the Baptist Church because the Bible simply does not construct a Baptist Church. Methodists have to doctrines added to the Bible (discipline) to get the Methodist Church for the same reason. Presbyterians have to add as well (confessions of faith) again for the same reason.
ParodyKnaveBob 3 years ago
Like you said, God is the One Who decides. And aren't we blessed to know His mind before judgment day! (John 12:48) He didn't just throw us to the wind that we couldn't know His will. No! He had His will written down looong before judgment day so that we could read from it every day of our lives if we wanted.
And by reading His mind on the matter, we can see who on earth is not in covenant with Him, and who is faithful in covenant with Him, and who has left covenant with Him. Isn't He good?
ParodyKnaveBob 3 years ago
i suppose b/c "ParodyKnaveBob" or johnny robertson or some other person says it is so, then it must be.
give me a break. this is what where we come around full circle, that you have absolutely no right to say that going to a baptist church condemns you to hell. baptists are Christians because they follow Christ. same with any other denomination where people have put their trust and their faith in Jesus. this includes your own denomination.
religiousreview 2 years ago
you have no right to say one can go to heaven in the baptist church. God never spoke of a baptist church.
studyjesus 2 years ago
you have no right to say one cannot go to heaven in the baptist church. God never spoke of a sign on a door making any difference.
religiousreview 2 years ago 2
you guys are so bound up with this idea that manuals or some other text are unbiblical. while there are some people who put too much stock in the literature their denominations put out to help them understand how the church will operate, most people look at those books second - after Scripture. if what the "book" says goes against what "The Book" says, they will typically change the "book". they are simply how that particular church interprets "The Book" - like what you guys are doing online.
religiousreview 2 years ago
says the man with the manual. LOL Jesus answered the devil with "it is written" . Well the baptist church is not written . Some of the vulgar peaople I've ever met were in the baptist church which is not written
studyjesus 2 years ago
i don't have a manual. i have a Bible. most people in the pews don't read the manuals - they read their Bibles. you guys like to spread disinformation like this - like baptists or other groups do family devotions around their baptist faith and mission. well, no baptist that i know does this.
as to vulgar "peaople" being in the baptist church - you aren't lacking that resource in the church of Christ, my friend. vulgar "peaople" can be found in every church - including church of Christ.
religiousreview 2 years ago
Chrissy , you are a closet baptist that was baptized into the baptist church. The preachers use the manuals and the people go along with it. Baptist are the Most vulgar , vile people I have ever met and you make a great baptist
studyjesus 2 years ago
"Chrissy"? dude you have no idea who i am. but even if you were right aren't you being the very thing you're complaining about all in the same sentence? what about Matthew 5:44?
religiousreview 2 years ago
Your name is Chris Knight. You live in reidsville NC. Would you like me to post your address as well?
studyjesus 2 years ago
is this thing on?
religiousreview 2 years ago
no, duh
studyjesus 2 years ago
Matthew 5:44, studyjesus. it's also Christianity 101.
it's really not easy to love people who you consider to be your enemies, is it? imagine if you were a Christian in Palestine, or in some mid east country where your family was being really persecuted for their faith. but still, Christ commands it.
us? we are praying for you guys, and especially that you would study Jesus and be set free.
religiousreview 2 years ago
Joh 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
studyjesus 2 years ago
i'm glad that Karea was baptized, but there is no such thing as "baptist religion". baptists ARE Christians.
religiousreview 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this! This was a wonderful day! God bless
wherethebiblespeaks 3 years ago 7