I had to watch this again to see if I remembered it correctly . You are probably AF or Navy . If you were in the Corps you would be in admin or supply . If I was still in I would be wondering why we didn't attack goldman sachs or bp for being the enemy .I would never follow an order I new was wrong and almost got office hours when I did , until the truth came out . I hope you grow wiser about how things work and look into the reasons why militias vanished . It was a timing thing , 1913 .
@2012tim : I was in the Navy. Not anymore. I hope we all grow wiser, none of us are wise enough, of that I am sure. The corporations are more our enemies than the government. The biggest fault of the government is that it is not doing it's job in many ways of protecting the people.
WHat a TOOL you are PIRATE... you are dumb ass hell. LOL you really think people will fall for your dribble. Luke did you join the dark side? You know your master does not care about you. Were you not breast fed?
@ArkDiscoverydotCOM: I don't know either, but maybe you should go back to something that is more on your intellectual level,like "Green Eggs and Ham".
I personally think of conspiracy theories as an initial stage in realizing that we construct social reality rather than expose it. However, if people don't take personal responsibility for the life they create they will often scapegoat others. We've all had our fill of American Dreaming and at some point we need to wake up, grow up and focus on solving things rather than pointing fingers at everyone and spinning wheels.
I don't know how to take you yet, at first I almost punched your face but I paid for this computer. then by the end I realize I agree w/ what you say as far as your resolve. Would you be interested in reading something that would show you how our soverity HAS already been taken, what we think we have now, is far from what we do have ? We do have much to be worried about, and there is a legal way to handle it, only if people knew, we both know thats not the case. I'll send you a link..
WHO wants to "overthrow the government",?? I have NOT HEARD a single person either SAY or IMPLY that "THEY" want to "Over Thow the Government," let alone "VIOLENTLY". WHAT I HEAR them say is to put GOOD PEOPLE in Government, who will work FOR the PEOPLE and BY the PEOPLE. They say "VOTE for RON PAUL", VOTE.!!!
You can do easy searches in Google and find out how people are calling for the overthrow of government. The far right wing is only for democracy when it elects THEIR candidates it seems. Oh,and fuck Ron Paul. Read Noam Chomsky, now there's a guy people should be reading.
Guns are dangerous you say. Well cars, doctors, stairs, house fires, football games and many more activities and things kill many more times then guns do. Also did you know over 10,000 people a day prevent their own rapes or deaths just by merely showing their gun.. Not pulling it out and pointing it at anyone but merely showing their gun to the potential offender. So knowing these facts you should put more regulations or cars, doctors etc.. etc... Where does it END?
TAXES DO NOT pay for roads or schools or public services. I challenge you to search this CAFR or the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report. What taxes do is give the gov't money to buy up the stock market tripling their income of which they never report as income and never pay taxes on. Please research CAFR. There is a good video on YOUTUBE and GOOGLE where Alex Jones explains in detail how this works.
Hmmm over throw the gov't. You say you know the CONSTITUTION but you forgot the first words of the document which says WE THE PEOPLE. We the people are the gov't and the people in DC and state capitals are merely servants who are chosen to enforce the laws of the Land which is the Constitution and Bill of Rights. That means the public servants are to protect the rights of the GOV'T or the PEOPLE not the other way around. It is that simple.
REMEMBER the constitution was not written to establish anything. The constitution was written to establish LAWS for the public servants who serve the Gov't I.E. WE THE PEOPLE. The gov't is NOT elected officials it is WE THE PEOPLE and if any gov't ie we the people and its elected officials become destructive of WE THE PEOPLE ie the Gov't then we as the PEOPLE have the right to abolish and replace it. Please study so you don't sound so ignorant anymore.
Noam Chomsky says, The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that theres free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. continued in the next comment.
Noam Chomsky continues- In short, we are taught to think in terms of A and B. Therefore, if C is presented, we either discount it as impossible or our peers remind us that only A and B are possible to keep us in line. THIS IS THE MAN YOU WANT US TO READ? LOL get a clue please
You should watch these YOUTUBE VIDEOS... "FALL of the REPUBLIC", "OBAMA DECEPTION", "ENDGAME", "FABLED ENEMIES". "FREEDOM TO FASCISM", "CAFR Comprehensive Financial Report", also please visit my YOUTUBE CHANNEL for more. Peace and please WAKE UP NOW!
You are a young man and I understand exactly where you are coming from. I was in the Navy and I went awol for about a week just to be with my GF then I was shipped out to Dubai. I wouldn't say I was a liberal but I would say I hated BUSH for wanting to send me to a god forsaken land to do what? Anyway I been in your shoes and I know how you think cause I use to think along the same lines. Let me tell you man you got it all wrong. One day you will wake up and when you do its going to crush you
I spent roughly 8 years investigating Police and governmental corruption so I have a certain position from which to speak from on your video. Personally, I think you should get out of this country as fast as you can and go to Russia or China so your views will be received better. As a patriot myself having looked into several of these "theorys" and indeed finding them to be based in fact, I have to admit that you've been tremendously lied to. You poor, poor young fella. I feel so sorry for you.
Of course you do. I am under no assumption that the government is free from corruption, I have never claimed this. The governments of Russia and China are not anything alike, nor are they identical to my political position. Your ridiculous statements to not speak well for your intelligence. You right wing crazies would love all the leftists like me to just disappear, I am sure. Well, bad news for you, I am coming back to the US soon, having finished my naval service.Too bad for you.
I hope you did well in the navy but you've been lied to so bad that I almost think you're unreachable. It's a shame......just a crying shame. What a waste of a good Amedikan.
to get into the mindset of the conspiracy nuts, you have to remember, that they think that only they know the truth, and if an election does not get the result they wanted it's not democracy
I agree. I am a socialist, but I am a pragmatist as well. That is why we have democracy. I do not believe in towing the party line, and I almost never do. The problem with these guys is that they attack as un-American anyone who dares disagree with their view of how America should be. They also ignore the fact that de-regulation got us into this mess, which kills the argument of the libertarians. We need more accountability in our society.
a huge difference between conspiracy theorist and a conspiracy. anyhow you still have a large amount of research before you lashout with the tea bagger, and right wing extremist bullshit. but cnn or whatever you watch tells you not. and a good socialist/communist slave does exactly what he is told to do and what to think. because he truly believes a corrupt government is out for his and fellow americans best interests. that is how brainwashing works, nice little trick if i say so myself
@chevelle3429 Yes, and it is conspiracy theory, not fact. I have done a large amount of research. A socialist is not the same as a communist and has nothing to do with what one decides to think, or what opinion one holds. I could just as easily say you have been watching to much of insane Beck on Fox. Which you probably have.
i dont watch any mainstream media anymore. other than to see what kind of propaganda they are trying to feed us. and hell ya they do throw propaganda at us. i dont trust glen beck. and socialism is the first step to communism. it always leads to corruption. always has and always will. and it is indeed happening right now here in the states, it is a conspiracy, not a conspiracy theory.
main stream media propaganda ...damn right. and it doesn't matter if the country is socialist , commie or capitalist. after all the american experiment began as capitalism where people were free to build a free market, make as much as they wanted and get as big as they wanted. those with the most control the market . money transends and controls politics. greed is the problem. pick any ism you want and you won't get rid of the greed. it is a global problem of human nature. that is a fact.
when people tell me they have researched about the federal reserve, and government corruption/scams yet they still dont see the big picture i right away know they either have not really looked. perhaps dont want to believe other than what they are told. ninja pirate doesnt want to see it all for what it truly is. for now he will only think politically. it is about corruption and control and greed. not a party
So you are saying if someone does not agree with you you automatically throw away any argument they may have and consider them ill informed. That's a little intellectually dishonest dont'ya think?
no, i am saying you are not informed as well as you could be. you are not stupid. your videos have some solid points. but it seems you are distracted by the political shit that we only see pieces and not the big picture. although you are not far off. pm me if you want if you would like to go further rather than fill up you comment page
they have faith in the system. faith in the people that they elect. to feel otherwise, especially in a democracy, is to feel powerless and insecure. not a comfortable feeling. i guess they really don't want to face the meaning and application of that old saying that power corrupts etc. where there's money and power there is corruption. it's in the governments, the courts, large corporations, banks, media...everywhere. they just don't want to face that.
Of course there is corruption, but that doesn't take away our rights and responsibilities in democratic government, on the contrary it is even more of a call to do something about it. Simply put, A democracy being of the people, the faults of government are our own, and the responsibility is on us to fix it. However, if we throw democracy out the window with it we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
You are right, and greed is one of the biggest problems in the world. I don't understand though, why you advocate doing nothing against such an big problem.
The fact that one loses a few battles should not discourage one from trying at all. The more people that fight against corruption and for the betterment of one's country the more that will get get accomplished.
Socialism is not always the first step to communism, that is only under the plan established by Marx in the Communist manifesto. Most of Europe, Australia, Canada and other countries besides, have mixed market social democracies that are no where close to becoming communist states. That's like saying that any right wing government becomes Nazism. Working to have a government that is held accountable should be the goal.
And what is your reference on this? Is this just what you think or are you merely speculating? Countries, I am speaking about history here, have gone from capitalism to communism, but not mixed-market to communism, so what is your reference? I agree that elitism is a problem like greed is a problem, now that we agree on that what is the solution? Attacking the government? No,the answer is fixing our government.
for only their personal agenda rather than the well being and best interest of the country. we can elect a president and nothing changes. because they dont work for us to our suprise. they work for the federal reserve and friends. a bank that has not been audited since its creation in 1913 and has stole a large sum of money that we the tax payers have allowed them to steal because we are distracted. that is a conspiracy not a conspiracy theory. check your pm box in a few watch these vids please
So if you say that greed will always prevail, whether it is socialism, communism, or capitalism, what in your opinion is the best form of government, and what can be done if anything to make government better?
communism doesnt work, capitalism did great for the whole world for 200 short years. to make the government better is to put new people in office that do not have links to their personal interests at hand to motivate corruption, and they only serve one term. i have high hopes for 2010 elections for congress. those guys have been in seat long enough. their are plenty of smart people in the country that could do the job
it doesnt matter what the form of government is. pick your ism. these social labels are just a way to characterise idealogical bullshit. honesty and atruistic traits are what we need. greed and deciet is what we have. if the government fears the people more than the corporate crowd you'll have good government. if they dont fear their people, well, thats where we are now.
@peaceluvnwar no need to fear corporations? right. wonder which one i destoyed? i couldn't vote for ron paul. i'm canadian. but he'd be a damn sight better than obama.
well canada man your socialism medicine is crossing our unprotected borders so the healthcare industry is a good place to start where specifically YOU have destroyed. thank god you cannot vote your antiarmed forces coward ron paul into the highest office in the world.
i did not give it to u obama did. did i say i liked it? you assume to much. ron pual MIGHT have kept america out of foriegn countrties where there was no need to be except for an irresponsible american foriegn policy. a foriegn policy which i would not be stupid enough to blame on the american people. the same as i am not responsible for canadian policy. when are you gonna learn that they do what they want no matter how you vote. they love it when we fight over it. left...right..blablabla
And one other thing, violence is I think that violence against the government would be the ultimate slap in the face of our constitution and the founders. Your argument is self defeeating because you would destroy the nation the constitution was written to establish to save the constitution, it is absurd and you are crazy.
@ ninjapirate0507. i think i see your point. rule of law at any cost to preserve the status quo. this only serves the interests of banks, corporations etc..the problems of unconstitutional actions by your government are systemic. you have a government that is therefore outside the law. so, you have no rule of law. they must be removed. its now just a question of how. peacefully or otherwise. according to your constitution it is for the citizens to do this. it is their lawful right and duty.
The status quo has nothing at all to do with my position on this matter at all. If you had taken the time to look at my channel page you would see that I am a Democratic socialist which means I am not in favor of the banks and corporations etc. I am however in favor of a stable society, which we will not remain if there is an revolution like you propose. You are basically saying here that if things are not run your way politically then you advocate the use of violence to make it so. Continued-
The government is not outside the law, as the people in government are not outside the law. The government is accountable, and should be held accountable. Nowhere in the constitution does it give disillusioned disinformed and ignorant masses the right to violently overthrow their government, let alone anyone else. Like I said before, it is our duty to maintain the unity of our nation and work hard to make it better. Overthrowing the government will do nothing but destroy our nation ...Continued
and destroy the rule of law, opening the door to allowing a more tyrannical form of government to take the vacuum left in the absence of the former government. You seem to make the naive assumption that if you destroyed this government that the next one would be some kind of utopia which almost certainly would not be the case. Therefore we should not throw the baby out with the bath,but instead work to make our government better. And your statements are completely self defeating and treasonous.
the overthrow of the british in america brought forth a better situation than the tyrannical system of the british. utopia...certainly not. there is no such thing. treasonous? you sound like the englishmen of 1776.
The British were foreigners. Foreigners occupying us is a completely different thing than you advocating the overthrow of the government because you are a delusional right wing eextremist. Two totally different things. You are not a patriot, and I am not a foreigner
the british were occupying a british colony. the colony fought for their independence and established their constitution when they won. they did this to preserve their freedom. you have a skewed sense of history. are you saying the founding fathers were right wing extremists? that they should have bowed to the british? that we should bow to a US government that subverts the constitution?
No, you have a skewed sense of history. I never said that the revolutionaries were wrong, I said YOU are wrong. YOU and your kind have NOTHING in common with the founders. No, the founders were not right wing extremists and that is WHY you are nothing like them, because you and your cohorts ARE right wing extremists. Stop equating yourselves with the founders, as it is down right insulting when you are advocating the overthrow of the government their constitution established.
the revolutionaries not wrong?? why..they were treasonous colonists fighting the sovereign british government, right? yes, that's exactly what they did. broke the law to do the right thing. to establish an order based on the constitution which the modern US gov is subverting. the founders would be rolling in their graves now. all we want to do is preserve the constitution and freedom. the founders established this law based on fundamental justice. we want to preserve it. you are irrational.
Again, you are delusional. Neither you nor your right wing extremist cronies have anything in common with the founders of my country. They stood up to the British because they had the right to do so as Americans, against a foreign foe. They were occupied and oppressed by the foreign power, and they built a nation that would stand, the one YOU propose destroying. You are the irrational one, claiming that it makes sense to overthrow the constitution to protect..the constitution. You are insane.
you proving yourself an uneducated idiot. they were not at that time(1776) anything but british colonists under the law and had no rights as such. they fought for and won the rights from the british through the war for independence. then came the constitution. they broke the law for freedom which we would but preserve. you are an idiot. i think i have established that. after all, I AM CANADIAN.....ever see our beer ads....cool. wish we had your constitution... but its as good as gone
Ever read Thomas Paine's "The rights of man" or "Common sense"? These are the rights that I speak of. The rights stated in the Declaration of independence. I understand fully the history of our revolution, and how it was undertaken. That is how we won our independence. However these militia nuts are not winning our independence from a foreign power, but proposing that it is legal to overthrow our own government of democratically elected officials who are in government. Continued..
If one wishes to change our government, one should go through the established methods SET FORTH in the constitution. Yet ignoring this you say that evil bankers are controlling the whole government and it should be done away with with violence. The claims are baseless, the method illegal and the paranoia has taken over your ability to think logically. There are things that the Canadian government does better than ours, you should be proud of that. Continued....
Instead you advocate the overthrow of our government because it is better than yours......you really really make no sense at all. Get involved in your own democracy and do your best to make it better, instead of obsessing about and hoping for the overthrowing of mine.
make up your mind ....we do things better or yours is better. baseless claims? i think not. useless to tell you where to look because you won't. i have no desire to overthrow your gov. revolutions and civil wars are dirty. you ought to know. your gov is doing a fine job of destroying america anyway. too bad you can't see it. i must say that this has been fun. freedom, family and friends are the only things that matter. and our beer is better. maybe thats why you have sand in your jammies.
And another thing, stop with the acting like you are a minute man in 1776, because you don't know the first thing about the ideals and principles on which this nation was founded. You are nothing but an extremist and your very argument is an insult to my country. I will laugh when the US military crushes you aluminum helmet wearing fools.
minuteman??...extremist??...US military crushes you aluminum helmet wearing fools???...it is very hard to have an intelligent conversation with someone when they insist on using rhetoric and insults. of course that is the stock and trade of the deceptive, manipulative types such as politicians and the people that blindly follow them and repeat their ....rhetoric. that's you. and you would actually laugh when the US military crushes the american people?....wow....
Yes, extremist, it is not an insult, it is a fact. I used the word minute man because you insist on talking like we are living in the times of the American revolution, so I used the same type phrases. No, I would laugh with the American people when extremists like you are crushed, when you are stopped from toppling the government that the constitution established. I am not being deceptive in any way, I am quite straight forward. You are deceptive, and in the name of patriotism would destroy us.
you should ask yourself how many of the american people support a government that subverts the constitution. i don't think many will be laughing with you. the government that was established by the constitution has strayed from it. and you are deceptive though you don't know it. you are deceived and spote the rhetoric of a news media owned by banks etc that are destroying the USA. you don't have to worry about people like me. their doing a fine job. are you going to defend your USA from this?
You should ask yourself how the government is supposedly subverting the constitution. The constitution itself has changed many times, as has the way it has been interpreted, Constitutional law is complicated, and I am sure that you are not well studied in American constitutional law. The supreme court's job is to decide these matters, not a men with gun and a high school diploma. The banks have not done well, and the answer is not to destroy the government, but to regulate the banks.
yes we see how puppet obama is regulating the banks. fed gets more power. all you have to do is read the constuitution and watch the news , watch the judges the polititians to see the constitution being subverted. open your eyes twit. by the way, i don't own a gun and i went further than high school. whats wrong with you?
tsk tsk tsk I thought you were against insulting lol I was referring to the militia members in the States,not you. You are irrelevant since you are not even American. I do watch all those people/things and I don't think that the constitution is being subverted. My eyes are wide open, yours are filled with delusion and paranoia. The deregulation of the banks is what led to the economic crisis, and proper regulation is the key to a better economy. Obama is no puppet, he is the elected president.
so serious lol. this is why i gave up the passive entertainment provided by the networks for the interactive entertainment of youtube. i shouldn't yank people's chains like this but its fun to play devil's advocate. the situation in the world is what it is. and that is a matter of perspective. i take very little of it very seriously. except the bit about freedom, family and friends. and our beer is better.
@Mrreverendjim I agree. Arguing is great fun. You did do a good job of showing the unsupportable nature of the opinion though, and did a good job in general so kudos. I think that political apathy is dangerous to a democracy though. And real men drink whiskey,lolz
@ninjapirate0507 unsupportable or supportable is just a matter of perspective. there are many perspectives. that's why people can never agree. jack daniel's, any scotch, but you can't beat canadian club. except good shine.
the people in government are acting outside the constitution and therefore outside the law. are you saying the people only imagine this or are disillusioned or ignorant because of what they see on a daily basis? it is our duty to defend the constitution. this will preserve the country's unity (the people are the country not the government). overthrowing this government would only destroy an unconstitutional government.
You are deciding this based on what? The original constitution did not ban slaves, you really ant to go back to 1776, hu? I don't think so. The constitution is a living document, that is it has changed over the years. It is NOT your duty to defend the constitution, unless you are in the military and take your orders from the president who is the commander in cheif that the constitution established.
i too am in favor of a stable society. and yes revolutions cause problems. this could be sorted out without that option if the government and courts acted according to the constitution. they don't. as far as things being politically my way go, that would be the constitutional way.
No, your way is not the constitutional way. If it was, you wouls understand that the constitution has changed, and that government has changed since it's inception. But instead you call for the violent overthrow of the government, instead of the political means that are set out in the constitution.
And we will obviously NEVER agree on this situation, so I'll do you a favor and quit commenting. Good argument though. One of the better ones I've had on argyoutube.
Every time I ask you to answer my question, you throw out nothing but assumptions and distorted facts. You say the militia groups are nothing but right wing extremists who want to achieve their political agenda by trying to "keep the government in check." It seems like this answer and answers just like it are all you can say when I ask you my question. It's like you don't want to even think about the scenario that I painted for you. I know. It's tough to think about. But you should still answer.
I have thought thoroughly about the scenario that you hypothesized. It comes down to a matter of pros and cons really, and I have to say that the structure of government through the rule of law is more important and should be upheld over the chance of the government going apeshit. I think our energies need to be focused on making our government better, than on building a militia to fight it if it went wrong.
I'll check out your video, bur in the mean time check out the release of viruses in the NYC subway system by the gov. as well as the use of martial law to circumvent the constitution as recently as hurricane Katrina and the confiscation of all guns..registered or otherwise. I was a registered Republican on the National Committee until I realized that politicians only care about citizens as an after thought. You seem to be seeking the truth, just keep an open mind. It's not as it appears.
Son, I've read the postings going back a while and although I applaud the fact that you're thinking more than most 23 year olds, I have to tell you just how wrong you are in your conclusions. In my 59 years on this earth, including my time in the Marine Corps when I was about your age, I have seen the government "turn their guns" on our citizens multiple times. One great example is when our "government" murdered 4 students at Kent State University in cold blood. I have more if you like.
Thank you for the compliment and thank you for your service. I have worked closely with Marines these last 3 years, and I have a lot of respect for them. I am not ignorant of Kent State, and what happened there was of course wrong. However, a militia would not have helped that situation. I am about to make another video that will help elaborate. Watch it if you can and comment. Like I said I always enjoy a lively discussion.
WOW , Treasonous to form Militias ? Our Republic was never intended to have a standing army . That started after WW1 and the federal reserve act and the income tax amendment and the seizing of the states rights to APPOINT senators to protect the states rights . That was the 17th amendment and it should be repealed . Our country was founded on dissent , read the Declaration of Independence . In case you missed the bank bailout polls 90% of the American people against it . How did they vote ?
@2012tim Yes, I am sure that the founding fathers wanted us to exist forever slaughtering each other. I think that the federal rights should always trump states rights. The power of the individual state lost it's meaning a long time ago. Times change, the nation changed/is changing and the constitution has/will change(d). I never argued for the bank bailout, in my opinion the larger banks should be all broken up into smaller companies. What made you think I was for the bailout?
@ninjapirate0507 i saw that you told someone that if you were ordered to turn your gun on civilians, that you would follow your orders. obviously you would do this whether the civilian was innocent or not. you are in the military. im sure most soldiers would do the same thing you would. police would do the same thing. so here's my question. if you have a tyrannical government that uses military and police against its own people, who's going to protect the people? the police and military? no.
and when you say things like "Yes, I am sure that the founding fathers wanted us to exist forever slaughtering each other," that shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. The militias arent there to fight each other. they are there to DEFEND against a government that has taken the OFFENSIVE against its people. If the government doesnt decide to shoot its own people, then there will be no "slaughtering" of each other. you argument against militias grows weaker by the day.
@gunslinger19x Yes, because such good has come out of armed civilians playing soldier in the last century. Leave the soldiering to the military, and the policing to legal law enforcement. Same reason I am against the "minute man" militias. Private citizens should not be engaging in these activities. What happens when militias of differing views meet? They won't fight? Bullshit, look at the civil war.
Seriously? If that is your answer to my last two comments, then you have lost this argument. You say leave the "soldiering" to the military and policing to legal law enforcement. Obviously you ignored what I said. So I'll rewrite it for you. You have already stated that if it comes down to it, you will follow your orders. Police would do the same. So if the military and police are used against innocent people, then who protects the people? Or are you going to dodge that question again?
What you are saying is that you have no faith in the American government, nor in the rule of law. Then to further the absurdity you say, because there is a possibility that the rule of law becomes invalid that ordinary people should form militias just in case this happens. The problem is that that would not solve anything. A fundamental breakdown in the rule of law would not be solved through people fighting for thier own respective ideologies. Continued.....
What you are saying is that militias need to be there just in case the government goes ape-shit. There is no reason to believe that this will happen, and it has not happened on the scale that you are suggesting. What needs to be upheld is the rule of law. These militias, every last one of them are right wing extremist groups. They are not there to "protect the people" They are there for the furtherance of their ideology. Where the government has done wrong people should be held accountable....
...As they have been in the past for wrong doing. That is why we have the rule of law. I shudder to think these militias think that they can do whatever they want. To keep the government from doing bad things, we have laws, and just as we don't have vigilantes running around judging people, it would be just absurd to suggest that we have vigilantes "keeping the government in check". Your argument is self defeating, because it appears you don't have faith in the constitution you claim to protect.
And the game of dodgeball continues. You are clearly under the assumption that I think the militias should be here to "keep the government in check" when they make decisions that some people don't agree with. Thats not what I am saying and yes, that would be wrong. You are completely dodging my question on if they turn guns on the people. They would use the same military and police force that is supposed to protect us. So will you answer the question, or make more assumptions? continued
"They would use the same military and police force that is supposed to protect us." Who is the one making assumptions? I am saying that one, it would make no sense to "turn the guns" on the civilians, two, again your position is one of distrust, that is distrust of the rule of law, and distrust of our governmental system you wrongfully claim you are protecting.
Hey arguing is one of my favorite pastimes, lol Even though it is after midnight here, so it is the 26th, a Merry Christmas to you as well,and thank you.
The reason to believe that it COULD happen is because it HAS happened in nearly every nation throughout history. And yes, it has happened on the scale that I am suggesting in many different places and times, particularly in Africa, Asia and The Middle East. Ever heard of Saddam Hussein? And quit trying to put words in my mouth. I never said anything about having lack of faith in our government or rule of law, I just know history enough to know what COULD happen. Apparently unlike you.
I did not say that it has not happened in other countries, I said citizen militias have never accomplished anything like you say. I never put words in your mouth, I simply stated a reasonable end conclusion following your line of logic.Saddam Hussein was wrong because his government was based on his whims instead of logical and democratic rule of law. A militia has no one to answer to, there is no way to hold a militia accountable for their actions out side the rule of law, and you ignore this.
And saying "that will never happen," is not an answer. It has already happened before. I want you to respond to my What-If scenario. I am curious to see what your solution would be.
One thing that i want to point out that i think is extremely important to know: The Patriot Movement did not start because of Obama. The Patriot Movement has been around since the '90s. I think that destroys at least half of ANYONE's argument against it, seeing as how it was formed before Obama ran for president. That means the weak ass point that the movement was started by racist, southern, redneck republicans in response to the election of a black man is completely void. find another argument
Ok...you are really freaking me out here buddy. I agree 100% with everything you said, which I never do (especially in a 10 minute video), and I was in the military as well, which makes it even weirder. It's like watching some estranged half brother.
Anyway, subscribed. So it'll be interesting to see what else you've got to say. Keep up the great stuff.
As long as a fringe element of the American people believe nonsense, like President Obama is not an American citizen, Obama was not fairly elected, losing an election is some how a treasonous act or that a President does not have the right to act on a mandate from the people who elected him, we will, I believe also have a fringe group who believe they have the right to threaten the safety well being and freedom of their fellow citizens. Sad but the right wing proves it again and again.
@Ender1zero1 It is all just part of the right wing agenda. They are screaming about spending money on health care when just a few short years ago they had no problem allocating billions upon billions for an illegal war in Iraq.
lol i dont even know where to start with you. First off, your first, second and third points are actually just one. you just split them up. The people who think Obama being elected was a treasonous act and that he wasnt fairly elected think so because they dont believe he was born in the US. Its not just because he was elected. and no, im not a birther. my point here is that only the birthers believe any of your first three points, and not all right wingers are birthers.
You are incorrect according to a PPP poll 52% of Republicans believe ACORN stole the election for President Obama and the constant use of the ACORN boogeyman lends credibility to the poll it isn't just birthers and it isn't just 1 issue split up. Yes I do see the fringe right wing "patriot" groups as a threat, they threaten violence against the Government against the President against members of the House and Senate and they are attempting to start shit because they lost an election.
Another thing that you said that i want to address is that there is a fringe group who believe they have the right to threaten the safety and well being and freedom of their fellow citizens. and i hope you are not talking about the patriot movement? these people arent out to destroy freedom or obama. their only goal is to be prepared to fight IF AND ONLY IF the United States government turns guns on its own people. They are not here to start shit, they are here for protection.
In law I think they call that vigilante "justice" and it is not generally looked well upon. The fact that you think that the government would "turn guns" on the civilian populace is indicitive of your paranoia and ignorance. It is absurd to think that the USG is going to start arbitrarily slaughtering citizens. You are trying to make excuses for the wrong people bub.
I never said that the government would turn guns on its people. i said the goal of the patriot movement is to be prepared to defend themselves and fellow citizens IF AND ONLY IF the government turns guns on the people. I clearly said IF AND ONLY IF. if you think that is saying that i personally think that the government is going to attack us, then you are just a ninja ass pirate.
So if you think that such an act is unlikely to that degree, then why do it? Should we also have brigades of kryptonite welding militias just in case an army of alien supermen attack us? The police and military are there for our defense. I think it should be considered illegal and subversive and treasonous to form a militia in present day America. This is not the 18th or 19th centuries, the time for such barbarism is past.
see thats just some ignorant shit to say. there has never been a case of armies of supermen attacking us. throughout history governments have turned guns on their own people. to want to be prepared in case something like that happens to us is a stupid idea only until it happens. the fact that you think that it is wrong and crazy and stupid to be prepared for something that has happened throughout history shows your true ignorance. thank you for wasting my time here.
Most of the things the so called "patriot movement" talk about aren't conspiracies, dude. It's fact. There is nothing crazy about questioning the concept of income tax or why it is when you own something, land, cars, etc.. you are taxed to even have it. How can you own it if you can have it taken by force if you don't pay the taxes on the land...that YOU supposedly own? It's a valid question. It's not some kooky concept to question the legitimacy of the private federal reserve and what they do.
I don't care if you are an officer in the US military: OPEN YOUR EYES! We as patriots, per our Forefathers (read your Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence again) are to stand up against a despotic government, so said Thomas Jefferson.
I am not an officer and never said I was. I am however a NCO, the lowest rank of NCO, but NCO nonetheless :) I have read the constitution many times, I just disagree with you on the interpretation of it.
We are servants of the People, not ever-increasing Big Government. If you don't believe the Truth about the coming global government then start paying attention to what just happened in Copenhagen within the past three days; the UN secretary-general has once again openly admitted that the purpose of Copenhagen and the Climategate is to impose a global socialist government funded by a global carbon tax and global economic body.
Which means that if a law being passed by the federal government is un-Constitutional, or there is no Constitutional limit upon the state's and/or the people's power and right to refuse, per the Constitution, then the state/people may and should. Keep in mind that we in the American military took an Oath to support and defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic.
So, if guns, as you claim, do in fact hurt people, then are pencils equally at fault for the misspelling of words? Or is it the operator of such said tool? And you clearly have no understanding of the Constitution; the Tenth Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Equating a pencil and a gun as the same is the epitome of disingenuous behavior. Pencils do not usually kill people,while a gun can go off accidentally and kill someone. So yes, guns are moer dangerous than pencils.
the true hypocrites in this world are the ones that do not see us as we are. a union...get that...."union" of 50 states, as ninjapirate0507 said the civil war decided that. sure states have separate governments, but we are all under one national government. and it is exstremists, (can't spell), who believe the government is screwed up that cause military such as myself to have to remain overseas to protect those people who claim we are hypocrites.
I don't think you understand the issues. I don't think you are old enough. No offense, but I think you need to research more into a number of subjects.
@MassMIlitia Yes, because 23 is not old enough to make up my mind about the world. I am aware of all your theories and I reject them. Also in response to the comment you made to me in the video by july4patriot, I am FOR globalization and for the world working together to tackle such things as climate change.
Globalization of oppression? Because if you find victory in tackling "climate change" you might find that the very same people you have been trying to get to pass laws regarding climate change will impose a vast amount of restrictions on civil liberties. To which they are already doing but they have decided to USE sheep like you to further their goals. Throughout history there has been tyrrany. What makes you think we in America (historically young country) are immune to it? You are PROGRAMED.
@freakboy2891 Yes, I am like a programed sheep, says the guy who thinks that having an open mind is a bad thing. Everyone who wants better legislation on environmental ideas really just wants to enslave all mankind...and....and,,,,you are insane.
you are right about some things, but there is such a thing as too much government and tyrany. There have been countless examples of this in the past such as soviet russia, communist china, and nazi germany. It is very possible for this to happen in the US and if it does then the only solution is armed revolt. Personally, i think its all part of a cycle where we had the first revolution, and then as time went on the gov just got bigger and bigger, and now we have to do it again.
let me ask you something. As a military officer/ensign, would you follow the order to impose martial law if it was given to you? And furthermore, would you fire on an american citizen if you were told to? Would you conduct a gun grab and disarm a population? If you answer yes to these then you are the type of person that would be targeted in the event of a revolution. Please think these things thru and decide for yourself whether you think this would be the right thing to do.
Again, not an officer or an ensign, but if I was given the order to enforce martial law, yes I would carry out my orders. I have sworn to obey the President of the United States against ALL enemies foreign and domestic.
You swore an oath to defend the constitution, not obey the president. Don't you remember? If the pres. gives an unconstitutional order it is your duty to disobey it.
To DEFEND the constitution, and who does the constitution name as the leader, and commander in Chief of the military? THE PRESIDENT OF THE US!!!! In that same oath I swore to defend the constitution, and OBEY the orders of the President, and all officers appointed over me. Looks like you are the one who doesn't know the oath.
Wow... it looks you and your navy buddie have a real far-left fiesta going. Now your basically just saying back to me what I've said to you. Your not even an adult are you? This is some 15 year old kid who's board or something isn't it.
have you seen the emails "spirited" out of university of east anglia? kind of goes along with the rest of the proof (scientific) that manmade global warming just may be a scam. are you really for a world run by bankers?
as events have unfolded over the last year and a half I wonder what your thoughts are about the matter today.
Lesl3ian 10 months ago
I had to watch this again to see if I remembered it correctly . You are probably AF or Navy . If you were in the Corps you would be in admin or supply . If I was still in I would be wondering why we didn't attack goldman sachs or bp for being the enemy .I would never follow an order I new was wrong and almost got office hours when I did , until the truth came out . I hope you grow wiser about how things work and look into the reasons why militias vanished . It was a timing thing , 1913 .
2012tim 1 year ago
@2012tim : I was in the Navy. Not anymore. I hope we all grow wiser, none of us are wise enough, of that I am sure. The corporations are more our enemies than the government. The biggest fault of the government is that it is not doing it's job in many ways of protecting the people.
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
WHat a TOOL you are PIRATE... you are dumb ass hell. LOL you really think people will fall for your dribble. Luke did you join the dark side? You know your master does not care about you. Were you not breast fed?
ArkDiscoverydotCOM 1 year ago
@ArkDiscoverydotCOM : This may be the most incoherent and moronic comment ever posted on one of my videos. Congrats.
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
@ninjapirate0507 I don't even know why I wasted the time to click on any of your videos. PISSSSSSSSSSS
ArkDiscoverydotCOM 1 year ago
@ArkDiscoverydotCOM: I don't know either, but maybe you should go back to something that is more on your intellectual level,like "Green Eggs and Ham".
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
I personally think of conspiracy theories as an initial stage in realizing that we construct social reality rather than expose it. However, if people don't take personal responsibility for the life they create they will often scapegoat others. We've all had our fill of American Dreaming and at some point we need to wake up, grow up and focus on solving things rather than pointing fingers at everyone and spinning wheels.
sKennhead 1 year ago
we were founded on a republic form of gov
williammeridith 2 years ago
@williammeridith I never said that we weren't.
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
lmao
jhouxpdx 2 years ago
I don't know how to take you yet, at first I almost punched your face but I paid for this computer. then by the end I realize I agree w/ what you say as far as your resolve. Would you be interested in reading something that would show you how our soverity HAS already been taken, what we think we have now, is far from what we do have ? We do have much to be worried about, and there is a legal way to handle it, only if people knew, we both know thats not the case. I'll send you a link..
ThErEdPiLl09 2 years ago
@ThErEdPiLl09 That was a very odd comment. Make sure you do not punch any computers.
ninjapirate0507 1 year ago
Debate is healthy. New idea's should be welcomed.
speedkrieg 2 years ago
you have a long way to go young patawan.
admiralcrash1 2 years ago
WHO wants to "overthrow the government",?? I have NOT HEARD a single person either SAY or IMPLY that "THEY" want to "Over Thow the Government," let alone "VIOLENTLY". WHAT I HEAR them say is to put GOOD PEOPLE in Government, who will work FOR the PEOPLE and BY the PEOPLE. They say "VOTE for RON PAUL", VOTE.!!!
hartsy50 2 years ago
You can do easy searches in Google and find out how people are calling for the overthrow of government. The far right wing is only for democracy when it elects THEIR candidates it seems. Oh,and fuck Ron Paul. Read Noam Chomsky, now there's a guy people should be reading.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
Guns are dangerous you say. Well cars, doctors, stairs, house fires, football games and many more activities and things kill many more times then guns do. Also did you know over 10,000 people a day prevent their own rapes or deaths just by merely showing their gun.. Not pulling it out and pointing it at anyone but merely showing their gun to the potential offender. So knowing these facts you should put more regulations or cars, doctors etc.. etc... Where does it END?
ArkDiscoverydotCOM 2 years ago
TAXES DO NOT pay for roads or schools or public services. I challenge you to search this CAFR or the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report. What taxes do is give the gov't money to buy up the stock market tripling their income of which they never report as income and never pay taxes on. Please research CAFR. There is a good video on YOUTUBE and GOOGLE where Alex Jones explains in detail how this works.
ArkDiscoverydotCOM 2 years ago
Hmmm over throw the gov't. You say you know the CONSTITUTION but you forgot the first words of the document which says WE THE PEOPLE. We the people are the gov't and the people in DC and state capitals are merely servants who are chosen to enforce the laws of the Land which is the Constitution and Bill of Rights. That means the public servants are to protect the rights of the GOV'T or the PEOPLE not the other way around. It is that simple.
ArkDiscoverydotCOM 2 years ago
REMEMBER the constitution was not written to establish anything. The constitution was written to establish LAWS for the public servants who serve the Gov't I.E. WE THE PEOPLE. The gov't is NOT elected officials it is WE THE PEOPLE and if any gov't ie we the people and its elected officials become destructive of WE THE PEOPLE ie the Gov't then we as the PEOPLE have the right to abolish and replace it. Please study so you don't sound so ignorant anymore.
ArkDiscoverydotCOM 2 years ago
Noam Chomsky says, The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that theres free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. continued in the next comment.
ArkDiscoverydotCOM 2 years ago
Noam Chomsky continues- In short, we are taught to think in terms of A and B. Therefore, if C is presented, we either discount it as impossible or our peers remind us that only A and B are possible to keep us in line. THIS IS THE MAN YOU WANT US TO READ? LOL get a clue please
ArkDiscoverydotCOM 2 years ago
You should watch these YOUTUBE VIDEOS... "FALL of the REPUBLIC", "OBAMA DECEPTION", "ENDGAME", "FABLED ENEMIES". "FREEDOM TO FASCISM", "CAFR Comprehensive Financial Report", also please visit my YOUTUBE CHANNEL for more. Peace and please WAKE UP NOW!
ArkDiscoverydotCOM 2 years ago
@ArkDiscoverydotCOM Ah, Alex Jones' bedtime stories. That was the best idea the NWO ever thought up.
demonjacobs666 1 year ago
You are a young man and I understand exactly where you are coming from. I was in the Navy and I went awol for about a week just to be with my GF then I was shipped out to Dubai. I wouldn't say I was a liberal but I would say I hated BUSH for wanting to send me to a god forsaken land to do what? Anyway I been in your shoes and I know how you think cause I use to think along the same lines. Let me tell you man you got it all wrong. One day you will wake up and when you do its going to crush you
ArkDiscoverydotCOM 2 years ago
I spent roughly 8 years investigating Police and governmental corruption so I have a certain position from which to speak from on your video. Personally, I think you should get out of this country as fast as you can and go to Russia or China so your views will be received better. As a patriot myself having looked into several of these "theorys" and indeed finding them to be based in fact, I have to admit that you've been tremendously lied to. You poor, poor young fella. I feel so sorry for you.
smilingscottsman 2 years ago
Of course you do. I am under no assumption that the government is free from corruption, I have never claimed this. The governments of Russia and China are not anything alike, nor are they identical to my political position. Your ridiculous statements to not speak well for your intelligence. You right wing crazies would love all the leftists like me to just disappear, I am sure. Well, bad news for you, I am coming back to the US soon, having finished my naval service.Too bad for you.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
I hope you did well in the navy but you've been lied to so bad that I almost think you're unreachable. It's a shame......just a crying shame. What a waste of a good Amedikan.
smilingscottsman 2 years ago
to get into the mindset of the conspiracy nuts, you have to remember, that they think that only they know the truth, and if an election does not get the result they wanted it's not democracy
TheEnglishAthiest 2 years ago
I agree. I am a socialist, but I am a pragmatist as well. That is why we have democracy. I do not believe in towing the party line, and I almost never do. The problem with these guys is that they attack as un-American anyone who dares disagree with their view of how America should be. They also ignore the fact that de-regulation got us into this mess, which kills the argument of the libertarians. We need more accountability in our society.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
i five starred the extremist mask :D
peaceluvnwar 2 years ago 6
Thanks lol
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
No, not angry. Actually I feel sorry for you.
POSEIDONRSW 2 years ago
You do that. Please spend as much time as you can "feeling sorry for me". It will be so effective and meaningful.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
a huge difference between conspiracy theorist and a conspiracy. anyhow you still have a large amount of research before you lashout with the tea bagger, and right wing extremist bullshit. but cnn or whatever you watch tells you not. and a good socialist/communist slave does exactly what he is told to do and what to think. because he truly believes a corrupt government is out for his and fellow americans best interests. that is how brainwashing works, nice little trick if i say so myself
chevelle3429 2 years ago
@chevelle3429 Yes, and it is conspiracy theory, not fact. I have done a large amount of research. A socialist is not the same as a communist and has nothing to do with what one decides to think, or what opinion one holds. I could just as easily say you have been watching to much of insane Beck on Fox. Which you probably have.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
i dont watch any mainstream media anymore. other than to see what kind of propaganda they are trying to feed us. and hell ya they do throw propaganda at us. i dont trust glen beck. and socialism is the first step to communism. it always leads to corruption. always has and always will. and it is indeed happening right now here in the states, it is a conspiracy, not a conspiracy theory.
chevelle3429 2 years ago
main stream media propaganda ...damn right. and it doesn't matter if the country is socialist , commie or capitalist. after all the american experiment began as capitalism where people were free to build a free market, make as much as they wanted and get as big as they wanted. those with the most control the market . money transends and controls politics. greed is the problem. pick any ism you want and you won't get rid of the greed. it is a global problem of human nature. that is a fact.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
when people tell me they have researched about the federal reserve, and government corruption/scams yet they still dont see the big picture i right away know they either have not really looked. perhaps dont want to believe other than what they are told. ninja pirate doesnt want to see it all for what it truly is. for now he will only think politically. it is about corruption and control and greed. not a party
chevelle3429 2 years ago
So you are saying if someone does not agree with you you automatically throw away any argument they may have and consider them ill informed. That's a little intellectually dishonest dont'ya think?
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
no, i am saying you are not informed as well as you could be. you are not stupid. your videos have some solid points. but it seems you are distracted by the political shit that we only see pieces and not the big picture. although you are not far off. pm me if you want if you would like to go further rather than fill up you comment page
chevelle3429 2 years ago
they have faith in the system. faith in the people that they elect. to feel otherwise, especially in a democracy, is to feel powerless and insecure. not a comfortable feeling. i guess they really don't want to face the meaning and application of that old saying that power corrupts etc. where there's money and power there is corruption. it's in the governments, the courts, large corporations, banks, media...everywhere. they just don't want to face that.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
Of course there is corruption, but that doesn't take away our rights and responsibilities in democratic government, on the contrary it is even more of a call to do something about it. Simply put, A democracy being of the people, the faults of government are our own, and the responsibility is on us to fix it. However, if we throw democracy out the window with it we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
You are right, and greed is one of the biggest problems in the world. I don't understand though, why you advocate doing nothing against such an big problem.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
what do you do? you vote, it does not change things. you lobby, nothing changes.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
The fact that one loses a few battles should not discourage one from trying at all. The more people that fight against corruption and for the betterment of one's country the more that will get get accomplished.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
who says any of us stopped trying? we vote, we lobby, nothing changes. we continue down the same path.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
Socialism is not always the first step to communism, that is only under the plan established by Marx in the Communist manifesto. Most of Europe, Australia, Canada and other countries besides, have mixed market social democracies that are no where close to becoming communist states. That's like saying that any right wing government becomes Nazism. Working to have a government that is held accountable should be the goal.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
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chevelle3429 2 years ago
And what is your reference on this? Is this just what you think or are you merely speculating? Countries, I am speaking about history here, have gone from capitalism to communism, but not mixed-market to communism, so what is your reference? I agree that elitism is a problem like greed is a problem, now that we agree on that what is the solution? Attacking the government? No,the answer is fixing our government.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
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chevelle3429 2 years ago
for only their personal agenda rather than the well being and best interest of the country. we can elect a president and nothing changes. because they dont work for us to our suprise. they work for the federal reserve and friends. a bank that has not been audited since its creation in 1913 and has stole a large sum of money that we the tax payers have allowed them to steal because we are distracted. that is a conspiracy not a conspiracy theory. check your pm box in a few watch these vids please
chevelle3429 2 years ago
So if you say that greed will always prevail, whether it is socialism, communism, or capitalism, what in your opinion is the best form of government, and what can be done if anything to make government better?
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
communism doesnt work, capitalism did great for the whole world for 200 short years. to make the government better is to put new people in office that do not have links to their personal interests at hand to motivate corruption, and they only serve one term. i have high hopes for 2010 elections for congress. those guys have been in seat long enough. their are plenty of smart people in the country that could do the job
chevelle3429 2 years ago
it doesnt matter what the form of government is. pick your ism. these social labels are just a way to characterise idealogical bullshit. honesty and atruistic traits are what we need. greed and deciet is what we have. if the government fears the people more than the corporate crowd you'll have good government. if they dont fear their people, well, thats where we are now.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
there is no need to fear corporations while you are destroying them i bet you voted for ron paul
peaceluvnwar 2 years ago
@peaceluvnwar no need to fear corporations? right. wonder which one i destoyed? i couldn't vote for ron paul. i'm canadian. but he'd be a damn sight better than obama.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
well canada man your socialism medicine is crossing our unprotected borders so the healthcare industry is a good place to start where specifically YOU have destroyed. thank god you cannot vote your antiarmed forces coward ron paul into the highest office in the world.
peaceluvnwar 2 years ago
i did not give it to u obama did. did i say i liked it? you assume to much. ron pual MIGHT have kept america out of foriegn countrties where there was no need to be except for an irresponsible american foriegn policy. a foriegn policy which i would not be stupid enough to blame on the american people. the same as i am not responsible for canadian policy. when are you gonna learn that they do what they want no matter how you vote. they love it when we fight over it. left...right..blablabla
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
and one other thing. i don't think that violence is the only way. if the courts do their job. if the government acts within the constitution.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
And one other thing, violence is I think that violence against the government would be the ultimate slap in the face of our constitution and the founders. Your argument is self defeeating because you would destroy the nation the constitution was written to establish to save the constitution, it is absurd and you are crazy.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
@ ninjapirate0507. i think i see your point. rule of law at any cost to preserve the status quo. this only serves the interests of banks, corporations etc..the problems of unconstitutional actions by your government are systemic. you have a government that is therefore outside the law. so, you have no rule of law. they must be removed. its now just a question of how. peacefully or otherwise. according to your constitution it is for the citizens to do this. it is their lawful right and duty.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
The status quo has nothing at all to do with my position on this matter at all. If you had taken the time to look at my channel page you would see that I am a Democratic socialist which means I am not in favor of the banks and corporations etc. I am however in favor of a stable society, which we will not remain if there is an revolution like you propose. You are basically saying here that if things are not run your way politically then you advocate the use of violence to make it so. Continued-
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
The government is not outside the law, as the people in government are not outside the law. The government is accountable, and should be held accountable. Nowhere in the constitution does it give disillusioned disinformed and ignorant masses the right to violently overthrow their government, let alone anyone else. Like I said before, it is our duty to maintain the unity of our nation and work hard to make it better. Overthrowing the government will do nothing but destroy our nation ...Continued
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
and destroy the rule of law, opening the door to allowing a more tyrannical form of government to take the vacuum left in the absence of the former government. You seem to make the naive assumption that if you destroyed this government that the next one would be some kind of utopia which almost certainly would not be the case. Therefore we should not throw the baby out with the bath,but instead work to make our government better. And your statements are completely self defeating and treasonous.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
the overthrow of the british in america brought forth a better situation than the tyrannical system of the british. utopia...certainly not. there is no such thing. treasonous? you sound like the englishmen of 1776.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
The British were foreigners. Foreigners occupying us is a completely different thing than you advocating the overthrow of the government because you are a delusional right wing eextremist. Two totally different things. You are not a patriot, and I am not a foreigner
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
the british were occupying a british colony. the colony fought for their independence and established their constitution when they won. they did this to preserve their freedom. you have a skewed sense of history. are you saying the founding fathers were right wing extremists? that they should have bowed to the british? that we should bow to a US government that subverts the constitution?
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
No, you have a skewed sense of history. I never said that the revolutionaries were wrong, I said YOU are wrong. YOU and your kind have NOTHING in common with the founders. No, the founders were not right wing extremists and that is WHY you are nothing like them, because you and your cohorts ARE right wing extremists. Stop equating yourselves with the founders, as it is down right insulting when you are advocating the overthrow of the government their constitution established.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
the revolutionaries not wrong?? why..they were treasonous colonists fighting the sovereign british government, right? yes, that's exactly what they did. broke the law to do the right thing. to establish an order based on the constitution which the modern US gov is subverting. the founders would be rolling in their graves now. all we want to do is preserve the constitution and freedom. the founders established this law based on fundamental justice. we want to preserve it. you are irrational.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
Again, you are delusional. Neither you nor your right wing extremist cronies have anything in common with the founders of my country. They stood up to the British because they had the right to do so as Americans, against a foreign foe. They were occupied and oppressed by the foreign power, and they built a nation that would stand, the one YOU propose destroying. You are the irrational one, claiming that it makes sense to overthrow the constitution to protect..the constitution. You are insane.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
you proving yourself an uneducated idiot. they were not at that time(1776) anything but british colonists under the law and had no rights as such. they fought for and won the rights from the british through the war for independence. then came the constitution. they broke the law for freedom which we would but preserve. you are an idiot. i think i have established that. after all, I AM CANADIAN.....ever see our beer ads....cool. wish we had your constitution... but its as good as gone
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
Ever read Thomas Paine's "The rights of man" or "Common sense"? These are the rights that I speak of. The rights stated in the Declaration of independence. I understand fully the history of our revolution, and how it was undertaken. That is how we won our independence. However these militia nuts are not winning our independence from a foreign power, but proposing that it is legal to overthrow our own government of democratically elected officials who are in government. Continued..
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
If one wishes to change our government, one should go through the established methods SET FORTH in the constitution. Yet ignoring this you say that evil bankers are controlling the whole government and it should be done away with with violence. The claims are baseless, the method illegal and the paranoia has taken over your ability to think logically. There are things that the Canadian government does better than ours, you should be proud of that. Continued....
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
Instead you advocate the overthrow of our government because it is better than yours......you really really make no sense at all. Get involved in your own democracy and do your best to make it better, instead of obsessing about and hoping for the overthrowing of mine.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
make up your mind ....we do things better or yours is better. baseless claims? i think not. useless to tell you where to look because you won't. i have no desire to overthrow your gov. revolutions and civil wars are dirty. you ought to know. your gov is doing a fine job of destroying america anyway. too bad you can't see it. i must say that this has been fun. freedom, family and friends are the only things that matter. and our beer is better. maybe thats why you have sand in your jammies.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
And another thing, stop with the acting like you are a minute man in 1776, because you don't know the first thing about the ideals and principles on which this nation was founded. You are nothing but an extremist and your very argument is an insult to my country. I will laugh when the US military crushes you aluminum helmet wearing fools.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
minuteman??...extremist??...US military crushes you aluminum helmet wearing fools???...it is very hard to have an intelligent conversation with someone when they insist on using rhetoric and insults. of course that is the stock and trade of the deceptive, manipulative types such as politicians and the people that blindly follow them and repeat their ....rhetoric. that's you. and you would actually laugh when the US military crushes the american people?....wow....
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
Yes, extremist, it is not an insult, it is a fact. I used the word minute man because you insist on talking like we are living in the times of the American revolution, so I used the same type phrases. No, I would laugh with the American people when extremists like you are crushed, when you are stopped from toppling the government that the constitution established. I am not being deceptive in any way, I am quite straight forward. You are deceptive, and in the name of patriotism would destroy us.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
you should ask yourself how many of the american people support a government that subverts the constitution. i don't think many will be laughing with you. the government that was established by the constitution has strayed from it. and you are deceptive though you don't know it. you are deceived and spote the rhetoric of a news media owned by banks etc that are destroying the USA. you don't have to worry about people like me. their doing a fine job. are you going to defend your USA from this?
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
You should ask yourself how the government is supposedly subverting the constitution. The constitution itself has changed many times, as has the way it has been interpreted, Constitutional law is complicated, and I am sure that you are not well studied in American constitutional law. The supreme court's job is to decide these matters, not a men with gun and a high school diploma. The banks have not done well, and the answer is not to destroy the government, but to regulate the banks.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
yes we see how puppet obama is regulating the banks. fed gets more power. all you have to do is read the constuitution and watch the news , watch the judges the polititians to see the constitution being subverted. open your eyes twit. by the way, i don't own a gun and i went further than high school. whats wrong with you?
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
tsk tsk tsk I thought you were against insulting lol I was referring to the militia members in the States,not you. You are irrelevant since you are not even American. I do watch all those people/things and I don't think that the constitution is being subverted. My eyes are wide open, yours are filled with delusion and paranoia. The deregulation of the banks is what led to the economic crisis, and proper regulation is the key to a better economy. Obama is no puppet, he is the elected president.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
so serious lol. this is why i gave up the passive entertainment provided by the networks for the interactive entertainment of youtube. i shouldn't yank people's chains like this but its fun to play devil's advocate. the situation in the world is what it is. and that is a matter of perspective. i take very little of it very seriously. except the bit about freedom, family and friends. and our beer is better.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
@Mrreverendjim I agree. Arguing is great fun. You did do a good job of showing the unsupportable nature of the opinion though, and did a good job in general so kudos. I think that political apathy is dangerous to a democracy though. And real men drink whiskey,lolz
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
@ninjapirate0507 unsupportable or supportable is just a matter of perspective. there are many perspectives. that's why people can never agree. jack daniel's, any scotch, but you can't beat canadian club. except good shine.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
I like scotch, working on my bottle of black label :)
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
the people in government are acting outside the constitution and therefore outside the law. are you saying the people only imagine this or are disillusioned or ignorant because of what they see on a daily basis? it is our duty to defend the constitution. this will preserve the country's unity (the people are the country not the government). overthrowing this government would only destroy an unconstitutional government.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
You are deciding this based on what? The original constitution did not ban slaves, you really ant to go back to 1776, hu? I don't think so. The constitution is a living document, that is it has changed over the years. It is NOT your duty to defend the constitution, unless you are in the military and take your orders from the president who is the commander in cheif that the constitution established.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
i too am in favor of a stable society. and yes revolutions cause problems. this could be sorted out without that option if the government and courts acted according to the constitution. they don't. as far as things being politically my way go, that would be the constitutional way.
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
No, your way is not the constitutional way. If it was, you wouls understand that the constitution has changed, and that government has changed since it's inception. But instead you call for the violent overthrow of the government, instead of the political means that are set out in the constitution.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
And we will obviously NEVER agree on this situation, so I'll do you a favor and quit commenting. Good argument though. One of the better ones I've had on argyoutube.
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
It has been a real pleasure to debate with you sir, and I wish you happy holidays and the best in the year to come. Peace :)
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
Oh, and thank you for the compliment,
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
Every time I ask you to answer my question, you throw out nothing but assumptions and distorted facts. You say the militia groups are nothing but right wing extremists who want to achieve their political agenda by trying to "keep the government in check." It seems like this answer and answers just like it are all you can say when I ask you my question. It's like you don't want to even think about the scenario that I painted for you. I know. It's tough to think about. But you should still answer.
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
I have thought thoroughly about the scenario that you hypothesized. It comes down to a matter of pros and cons really, and I have to say that the structure of government through the rule of law is more important and should be upheld over the chance of the government going apeshit. I think our energies need to be focused on making our government better, than on building a militia to fight it if it went wrong.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
I'll check out your video, bur in the mean time check out the release of viruses in the NYC subway system by the gov. as well as the use of martial law to circumvent the constitution as recently as hurricane Katrina and the confiscation of all guns..registered or otherwise. I was a registered Republican on the National Committee until I realized that politicians only care about citizens as an after thought. You seem to be seeking the truth, just keep an open mind. It's not as it appears.
lostchord357 2 years ago
Son, I've read the postings going back a while and although I applaud the fact that you're thinking more than most 23 year olds, I have to tell you just how wrong you are in your conclusions. In my 59 years on this earth, including my time in the Marine Corps when I was about your age, I have seen the government "turn their guns" on our citizens multiple times. One great example is when our "government" murdered 4 students at Kent State University in cold blood. I have more if you like.
lostchord357 2 years ago
Thank you for the compliment and thank you for your service. I have worked closely with Marines these last 3 years, and I have a lot of respect for them. I am not ignorant of Kent State, and what happened there was of course wrong. However, a militia would not have helped that situation. I am about to make another video that will help elaborate. Watch it if you can and comment. Like I said I always enjoy a lively discussion.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
wake up asshole
redmannmike 2 years ago
@redmanmike:
wow, I am so impressed with your eloquence.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
WOW , Treasonous to form Militias ? Our Republic was never intended to have a standing army . That started after WW1 and the federal reserve act and the income tax amendment and the seizing of the states rights to APPOINT senators to protect the states rights . That was the 17th amendment and it should be repealed . Our country was founded on dissent , read the Declaration of Independence . In case you missed the bank bailout polls 90% of the American people against it . How did they vote ?
2012tim 2 years ago
@2012tim Yes, I am sure that the founding fathers wanted us to exist forever slaughtering each other. I think that the federal rights should always trump states rights. The power of the individual state lost it's meaning a long time ago. Times change, the nation changed/is changing and the constitution has/will change(d). I never argued for the bank bailout, in my opinion the larger banks should be all broken up into smaller companies. What made you think I was for the bailout?
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
@ninjapirate0507 i saw that you told someone that if you were ordered to turn your gun on civilians, that you would follow your orders. obviously you would do this whether the civilian was innocent or not. you are in the military. im sure most soldiers would do the same thing you would. police would do the same thing. so here's my question. if you have a tyrannical government that uses military and police against its own people, who's going to protect the people? the police and military? no.
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
and when you say things like "Yes, I am sure that the founding fathers wanted us to exist forever slaughtering each other," that shows that you have no idea what you are talking about. The militias arent there to fight each other. they are there to DEFEND against a government that has taken the OFFENSIVE against its people. If the government doesnt decide to shoot its own people, then there will be no "slaughtering" of each other. you argument against militias grows weaker by the day.
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
@gunslinger19x Yes, because such good has come out of armed civilians playing soldier in the last century. Leave the soldiering to the military, and the policing to legal law enforcement. Same reason I am against the "minute man" militias. Private citizens should not be engaging in these activities. What happens when militias of differing views meet? They won't fight? Bullshit, look at the civil war.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
And who will make the militias accountable? Where is the rule of law in all this?
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
Seriously? If that is your answer to my last two comments, then you have lost this argument. You say leave the "soldiering" to the military and policing to legal law enforcement. Obviously you ignored what I said. So I'll rewrite it for you. You have already stated that if it comes down to it, you will follow your orders. Police would do the same. So if the military and police are used against innocent people, then who protects the people? Or are you going to dodge that question again?
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
What you are saying is that you have no faith in the American government, nor in the rule of law. Then to further the absurdity you say, because there is a possibility that the rule of law becomes invalid that ordinary people should form militias just in case this happens. The problem is that that would not solve anything. A fundamental breakdown in the rule of law would not be solved through people fighting for thier own respective ideologies. Continued.....
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
What you are saying is that militias need to be there just in case the government goes ape-shit. There is no reason to believe that this will happen, and it has not happened on the scale that you are suggesting. What needs to be upheld is the rule of law. These militias, every last one of them are right wing extremist groups. They are not there to "protect the people" They are there for the furtherance of their ideology. Where the government has done wrong people should be held accountable....
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
...As they have been in the past for wrong doing. That is why we have the rule of law. I shudder to think these militias think that they can do whatever they want. To keep the government from doing bad things, we have laws, and just as we don't have vigilantes running around judging people, it would be just absurd to suggest that we have vigilantes "keeping the government in check". Your argument is self defeating, because it appears you don't have faith in the constitution you claim to protect.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
And the game of dodgeball continues. You are clearly under the assumption that I think the militias should be here to "keep the government in check" when they make decisions that some people don't agree with. Thats not what I am saying and yes, that would be wrong. You are completely dodging my question on if they turn guns on the people. They would use the same military and police force that is supposed to protect us. So will you answer the question, or make more assumptions? continued
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
"They would use the same military and police force that is supposed to protect us." Who is the one making assumptions? I am saying that one, it would make no sense to "turn the guns" on the civilians, two, again your position is one of distrust, that is distrust of the rule of law, and distrust of our governmental system you wrongfully claim you are protecting.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
Oh, you're online now. All BS aside, Merry Christmas man. I don't agree with the vast majority of what you say, but you make a good clean argument.
and Thank You For Serving!
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
Hey arguing is one of my favorite pastimes, lol Even though it is after midnight here, so it is the 26th, a Merry Christmas to you as well,and thank you.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
The reason to believe that it COULD happen is because it HAS happened in nearly every nation throughout history. And yes, it has happened on the scale that I am suggesting in many different places and times, particularly in Africa, Asia and The Middle East. Ever heard of Saddam Hussein? And quit trying to put words in my mouth. I never said anything about having lack of faith in our government or rule of law, I just know history enough to know what COULD happen. Apparently unlike you.
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
I did not say that it has not happened in other countries, I said citizen militias have never accomplished anything like you say. I never put words in your mouth, I simply stated a reasonable end conclusion following your line of logic.Saddam Hussein was wrong because his government was based on his whims instead of logical and democratic rule of law. A militia has no one to answer to, there is no way to hold a militia accountable for their actions out side the rule of law, and you ignore this.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
And saying "that will never happen," is not an answer. It has already happened before. I want you to respond to my What-If scenario. I am curious to see what your solution would be.
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
One thing that i want to point out that i think is extremely important to know: The Patriot Movement did not start because of Obama. The Patriot Movement has been around since the '90s. I think that destroys at least half of ANYONE's argument against it, seeing as how it was formed before Obama ran for president. That means the weak ass point that the movement was started by racist, southern, redneck republicans in response to the election of a black man is completely void. find another argument
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
Ok...you are really freaking me out here buddy. I agree 100% with everything you said, which I never do (especially in a 10 minute video), and I was in the military as well, which makes it even weirder. It's like watching some estranged half brother.
Anyway, subscribed. So it'll be interesting to see what else you've got to say. Keep up the great stuff.
Principalian 2 years ago
@Principalian I am glad you like it :) I will post another in the near future
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
As long as a fringe element of the American people believe nonsense, like President Obama is not an American citizen, Obama was not fairly elected, losing an election is some how a treasonous act or that a President does not have the right to act on a mandate from the people who elected him, we will, I believe also have a fringe group who believe they have the right to threaten the safety well being and freedom of their fellow citizens. Sad but the right wing proves it again and again.
Ender1zero1 2 years ago
@Ender1zero1 It is all just part of the right wing agenda. They are screaming about spending money on health care when just a few short years ago they had no problem allocating billions upon billions for an illegal war in Iraq.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
now the left has no problems with spending billions on an illegal war. its all the same..left...right
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago
lol i dont even know where to start with you. First off, your first, second and third points are actually just one. you just split them up. The people who think Obama being elected was a treasonous act and that he wasnt fairly elected think so because they dont believe he was born in the US. Its not just because he was elected. and no, im not a birther. my point here is that only the birthers believe any of your first three points, and not all right wingers are birthers.
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
most right wingers are not birthers, let me put it that way.
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
Not all right wingers are birthers, but I would venture to say that all birthers are right wingers, which is just as condemning.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
You are incorrect according to a PPP poll 52% of Republicans believe ACORN stole the election for President Obama and the constant use of the ACORN boogeyman lends credibility to the poll it isn't just birthers and it isn't just 1 issue split up. Yes I do see the fringe right wing "patriot" groups as a threat, they threaten violence against the Government against the President against members of the House and Senate and they are attempting to start shit because they lost an election.
Ender1zero1 2 years ago
Another thing that you said that i want to address is that there is a fringe group who believe they have the right to threaten the safety and well being and freedom of their fellow citizens. and i hope you are not talking about the patriot movement? these people arent out to destroy freedom or obama. their only goal is to be prepared to fight IF AND ONLY IF the United States government turns guns on its own people. They are not here to start shit, they are here for protection.
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
In law I think they call that vigilante "justice" and it is not generally looked well upon. The fact that you think that the government would "turn guns" on the civilian populace is indicitive of your paranoia and ignorance. It is absurd to think that the USG is going to start arbitrarily slaughtering citizens. You are trying to make excuses for the wrong people bub.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
I never said that the government would turn guns on its people. i said the goal of the patriot movement is to be prepared to defend themselves and fellow citizens IF AND ONLY IF the government turns guns on the people. I clearly said IF AND ONLY IF. if you think that is saying that i personally think that the government is going to attack us, then you are just a ninja ass pirate.
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
So if you think that such an act is unlikely to that degree, then why do it? Should we also have brigades of kryptonite welding militias just in case an army of alien supermen attack us? The police and military are there for our defense. I think it should be considered illegal and subversive and treasonous to form a militia in present day America. This is not the 18th or 19th centuries, the time for such barbarism is past.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
see thats just some ignorant shit to say. there has never been a case of armies of supermen attacking us. throughout history governments have turned guns on their own people. to want to be prepared in case something like that happens to us is a stupid idea only until it happens. the fact that you think that it is wrong and crazy and stupid to be prepared for something that has happened throughout history shows your true ignorance. thank you for wasting my time here.
gunslinger19x 2 years ago
Most of the things the so called "patriot movement" talk about aren't conspiracies, dude. It's fact. There is nothing crazy about questioning the concept of income tax or why it is when you own something, land, cars, etc.. you are taxed to even have it. How can you own it if you can have it taken by force if you don't pay the taxes on the land...that YOU supposedly own? It's a valid question. It's not some kooky concept to question the legitimacy of the private federal reserve and what they do.
Orion1232 2 years ago
Maybe not, but it is all about right wing extremism, which is crazy enough itself.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
lol buy black powder weapons. Check them out, you may be surprised at thier effectiveness, if not rate of fire..lol
No registration required...
MassMIlitia 2 years ago
@MassMIlitia You would be better off buying a book and then reading it.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
You say, in reference to gun registration: "Law abiding citizens have nothing to worry about."
You mean like the law abiding citizens threatened with deadly force if they didn't surrender their legal firearms after katrina?
Really, talk less, read and think first. Your points are too easy to refute.
MassMIlitia 2 years ago
I don't care if you are an officer in the US military: OPEN YOUR EYES! We as patriots, per our Forefathers (read your Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence again) are to stand up against a despotic government, so said Thomas Jefferson.
phantompatriot77 2 years ago
I am not an officer and never said I was. I am however a NCO, the lowest rank of NCO, but NCO nonetheless :) I have read the constitution many times, I just disagree with you on the interpretation of it.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
which branch of service?
phantompatriot77 2 years ago
@phantompatriot77 Navy.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
We are servants of the People, not ever-increasing Big Government. If you don't believe the Truth about the coming global government then start paying attention to what just happened in Copenhagen within the past three days; the UN secretary-general has once again openly admitted that the purpose of Copenhagen and the Climategate is to impose a global socialist government funded by a global carbon tax and global economic body.
phantompatriot77 2 years ago
So you are a servant of big business then? Socialism doesn't scare a socialist such as myself.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
Which means that if a law being passed by the federal government is un-Constitutional, or there is no Constitutional limit upon the state's and/or the people's power and right to refuse, per the Constitution, then the state/people may and should. Keep in mind that we in the American military took an Oath to support and defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic.
phantompatriot77 2 years ago
So, if guns, as you claim, do in fact hurt people, then are pencils equally at fault for the misspelling of words? Or is it the operator of such said tool? And you clearly have no understanding of the Constitution; the Tenth Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
phantompatriot77 2 years ago
Equating a pencil and a gun as the same is the epitome of disingenuous behavior. Pencils do not usually kill people,while a gun can go off accidentally and kill someone. So yes, guns are moer dangerous than pencils.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
i quite agree.
the true hypocrites in this world are the ones that do not see us as we are. a union...get that...."union" of 50 states, as ninjapirate0507 said the civil war decided that. sure states have separate governments, but we are all under one national government. and it is exstremists, (can't spell), who believe the government is screwed up that cause military such as myself to have to remain overseas to protect those people who claim we are hypocrites.
lordvoldemort09 2 years ago 4
I don't think you understand the issues. I don't think you are old enough. No offense, but I think you need to research more into a number of subjects.
The federal reserve
HJR-192
National Banking Act
Washington DC vs Heller (opinions)
History of US banking
Social Security Numbers
MassMIlitia 2 years ago
@MassMIlitia Yes, because 23 is not old enough to make up my mind about the world. I am aware of all your theories and I reject them. Also in response to the comment you made to me in the video by july4patriot, I am FOR globalization and for the world working together to tackle such things as climate change.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
Globalization of oppression? Because if you find victory in tackling "climate change" you might find that the very same people you have been trying to get to pass laws regarding climate change will impose a vast amount of restrictions on civil liberties. To which they are already doing but they have decided to USE sheep like you to further their goals. Throughout history there has been tyrrany. What makes you think we in America (historically young country) are immune to it? You are PROGRAMED.
freakboy2891 2 years ago
@freakboy2891 Yes, I am like a programed sheep, says the guy who thinks that having an open mind is a bad thing. Everyone who wants better legislation on environmental ideas really just wants to enslave all mankind...and....and,,,,you are insane.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
you are right about some things, but there is such a thing as too much government and tyrany. There have been countless examples of this in the past such as soviet russia, communist china, and nazi germany. It is very possible for this to happen in the US and if it does then the only solution is armed revolt. Personally, i think its all part of a cycle where we had the first revolution, and then as time went on the gov just got bigger and bigger, and now we have to do it again.
michaelencarnacion 2 years ago
It is not the quantity of government, it is the quality of government that is important.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
let me ask you something. As a military officer/ensign, would you follow the order to impose martial law if it was given to you? And furthermore, would you fire on an american citizen if you were told to? Would you conduct a gun grab and disarm a population? If you answer yes to these then you are the type of person that would be targeted in the event of a revolution. Please think these things thru and decide for yourself whether you think this would be the right thing to do.
michaelencarnacion 2 years ago
Again, not an officer or an ensign, but if I was given the order to enforce martial law, yes I would carry out my orders. I have sworn to obey the President of the United States against ALL enemies foreign and domestic.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
You swore an oath to defend the constitution, not obey the president. Don't you remember? If the pres. gives an unconstitutional order it is your duty to disobey it.
michaelencarnacion 2 years ago
To DEFEND the constitution, and who does the constitution name as the leader, and commander in Chief of the military? THE PRESIDENT OF THE US!!!! In that same oath I swore to defend the constitution, and OBEY the orders of the President, and all officers appointed over me. Looks like you are the one who doesn't know the oath.
ninjapirate0507 2 years ago
Wow... it looks you and your navy buddie have a real far-left fiesta going. Now your basically just saying back to me what I've said to you. Your not even an adult are you? This is some 15 year old kid who's board or something isn't it.
freakboy2891 2 years ago
I don't think 23 is nearly old enough to make up your mind on such a deep and complex issue. It's certainly way too early to CLOSE it...
Although there is the theory the "An open mind is like a fortress with its gates wide open..."
lol
MassMIlitia 2 years ago
in the heller case it's much more than about heller. The court, in its findings, refered to "standing armies" and "select Militias"
Supreme court rulings and opinions, and findings, are much more than the words that make them up.
"Standing Army" = US MIlitary, "select MIlitia" = Police/Law enforcement
And it is the threat of these units that require a countering militia.
This is the TRUE finding of the court. In black and white, for those who ARE old enough to understand.
MassMIlitia 2 years ago
have you seen the emails "spirited" out of university of east anglia? kind of goes along with the rest of the proof (scientific) that manmade global warming just may be a scam. are you really for a world run by bankers?
Mrreverendjim 2 years ago