I built a replica of the Fokker Eindecker which had the same sort of engine but I hid a modern engine under the cowl as well as brakes. It flew fairly well except for that goofy all-flying tail that went unstable at about 55mph. It was at Old Rhinebeck for a few years back in the 1970s.
I often think of how Snoopy softened and "cartoonified" the image of this beast of an aircraft. It was a deadly machine, and indeed many pilots were killed in training because of the engine torque . It could turn to the right on a dime, and any enemy pilot who came up against this monster knew chances were high that he might well not be going home.
The engine really does sound true to the video. It sounds like a constant barrage of ear-splitting pops. The most fearsome plane of the war.
@CFITOMAHAWK Yep! It looks like the crownedrunway and the fact that there wasn't enough momentum to complete the turn, or rudder control, or brakes (on one wheel), just too many things working against him. Fortunately, it doesn't look too bad for the plane. Pilots egos are another matter
Good job by the pilot controlling the aircraft after it started to ground loop. He did the right thing by cutting the engine when he did. No damage to wing or prop, plus prop was actually stopped before hitting the outbuilding. Great audio on this video. Four stars on the filming and production. The sound of that 160 HP Gnome engine is a sound to behold, awesome audio.
No brakes and a tailskid, recipe for a ground loop. At least my Fokker Eindecker had both brakes and a steerable tailwheel. Also, that old rotary engine could not be throttled, it was either full power or trying to keep it down by flooding it with the choke and a kill button to "blip" the engine to keep it running.
Sopwith Camel was very known, as hard plane to fly.
For example it was turning right, and rolling right (the advantage was, that it was turning to right much better than to left, better than any opponent also). It was dangerous to green pilots especially during take-off and landing, and it was easy to spin.
Any single-engine prop plane will have a pull to one side. One reason twin-engine planes use counter-rotating engines is to eliminate this. It's hard to say, from the footage, if the pilot was overcompensating or undercompensating after cutting the engine. The aborted takeoff may also have been from mushy rudder controls, which would have the same effect. If anyone knows more, please post.
@2206411411 - not many twin-engined aircraft actually have or had "handed" engines - one that comes to mind that did is the Lockheed P-38 Lightning. It is cheaper and easier to have an inventory of engines that all spin the same way, so you don't have to worry about whether the engine you're replacing is a "left" engine or a "right" engine.
@JBofBrisbane The P38 came up recently in another thread and it was said that even though the P-38 DID have counter-rotating props, they went the "wrong way". In other words, they were both critical engines. It was stated that it was done this way because of machine gun control or synchronization or something to that effect.
How many pilots are prepared to tie a spring balance to the tail and fiddle about with the engine controls until they get the hang of it? Maybe it is a bit undignified, after all.... much better to be macho than cautious. The Camel was a bit like the Pitts S1, get the engine going at full chat and leave the ground seconds later, heading irrelevant. Things get easier without the sideways drag from the wheels!
He's not revving it, the Gnome rotary doesn't have a throttle. It's power is controlled by its magnetos. There is a selector switch to run different power settings, (full, 1/4, 1/8. etc.) so there is really no way to ease the throttle up. The turn at the end was caused, I'm guessing, by the sudden loss of torque when the engine was cut out.
Watch the rudder. As the plane starting turning to the right with full left rudder, he goes to full right rudder trying to spin it around in front of the building. It started to turn hard at first but with no propwash, rudders don't really have much effect. The plane just rolled straight into the building after that.
@TheWhiteOwl23 With this type throttle is, you could say, either "on" or "off". Which means you would get alot of torque (not only) at takeoff. It's hard to fly, and I can't imagine what a mess it should have been during WWI with the kind of training they had at the time... :/
@TheWhiteOwl23 The camels fitted with these engines had dual magnetos, a blip mag for turning the engine on and off (known as "blipping" the engine, which was sometimes used for signalling) and a selector mag which can run the engine at various speeds, 1/2 1/4 and 1/8 speeds I believe. So the popping will be caused by the selector mag, as some of the cylinders may be shut off.
It appeared that the aircraft thankfully sustained little damage as it was going quite slowly on the airfield. Keep in mind that the pilot is dealing with a high power output rotary engine (160 H.p. Gnome) and there is a considerable amount of torque. There are no brakes on these aircraft so ground handling is difficult at best. Also the rotary engines were temperamental and they can quit running unexpectedly. These are some of the dangers when one is flying early aircraft or replicas of.
That's just painful to watch. Just goes to show you how hard that beast was to fly-- it killed almost as many pilots in accidents as were shot down by Germans.
sex for the ears:-)
wavecut1 1 month ago
I built a replica of the Fokker Eindecker which had the same sort of engine but I hid a modern engine under the cowl as well as brakes. It flew fairly well except for that goofy all-flying tail that went unstable at about 55mph. It was at Old Rhinebeck for a few years back in the 1970s.
Fokker1915 1 month ago
I often think of how Snoopy softened and "cartoonified" the image of this beast of an aircraft. It was a deadly machine, and indeed many pilots were killed in training because of the engine torque . It could turn to the right on a dime, and any enemy pilot who came up against this monster knew chances were high that he might well not be going home.
The engine really does sound true to the video. It sounds like a constant barrage of ear-splitting pops. The most fearsome plane of the war.
GodsMan500 2 months ago
i hate when fake towns get in the way while tryin to roll out!
hunterTS4 3 months ago
ENGINE FAILING, HE KEEPS TRYING TO TAKE OFF, THEN TURNS TO THE BUILDINGS WITH NO POWER ON RUDDER FOR TURNING WELL. YIHAAAA!!
CFITOMAHAWK 3 months ago
@CFITOMAHAWK Yep! It looks like the crownedrunway and the fact that there wasn't enough momentum to complete the turn, or rudder control, or brakes (on one wheel), just too many things working against him. Fortunately, it doesn't look too bad for the plane. Pilots egos are another matter
halnwheels 2 months ago
Man that thing is noisy.
childsca 3 months ago
The engine keeps cutting out
Xiolablu3 3 months ago
@Xiolablu3 Its not cutting out, its called a blip switch. All the old rotaries had them.
bliesberg 3 months ago
2 speeds, nada & full throttle with massive torque, lol. lucky.
stopYOURdumshyt 4 months ago
The camel is a dangerous plane. I am just extremely glad he didn't hit a plane.
44492611 4 months ago
miiii che super pilota!!!!
lexale 5 months ago
1 you getting this?.....2 ooohhh yeaaa .. youtube lol nice vid
nemonespider 5 months ago
Ground-loop following loss of rudder authority. Wasn't a crash, it was merely a bump. Is that a LeRhone rotary under the cowl?
SenorSpode 5 months ago
Good job by the pilot controlling the aircraft after it started to ground loop. He did the right thing by cutting the engine when he did. No damage to wing or prop, plus prop was actually stopped before hitting the outbuilding. Great audio on this video. Four stars on the filming and production. The sound of that 160 HP Gnome engine is a sound to behold, awesome audio.
kfsipdog 5 months ago
FAIL, although I must admit that those planes are truly hard to fly.
CockatooDude 6 months ago
Sounds like a Vespa
chokedad 6 months ago
What a deathtrap
transdrole 6 months ago
well that waxs odd... did he had trouble with the engine?
pongboy1100 6 months ago
Oh well, at least nobody was hurt!.. or I mean.. DID HE DIED!?
bliglum 6 months ago
No brakes and a tailskid, recipe for a ground loop. At least my Fokker Eindecker had both brakes and a steerable tailwheel. Also, that old rotary engine could not be throttled, it was either full power or trying to keep it down by flooding it with the choke and a kill button to "blip" the engine to keep it running.
Fokker1915 6 months ago
@Fokker1915 wow I have been flying since I was 14 I am now 19 and I never knew that why did they now have throttles?
tnhl77 1 month ago
2:58 Oh yeah... Youtube!
rembpilot172 8 months ago
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rembpilot172 8 months ago
Sopwith Camel was very known, as hard plane to fly.
For example it was turning right, and rolling right (the advantage was, that it was turning to right much better than to left, better than any opponent also). It was dangerous to green pilots especially during take-off and landing, and it was easy to spin.
Voinar010 9 months ago
@Voinar010 This was because the rotary engine created gyroscopic tendencies to the right.
mbrowneproductions 8 months ago
Any single-engine prop plane will have a pull to one side. One reason twin-engine planes use counter-rotating engines is to eliminate this. It's hard to say, from the footage, if the pilot was overcompensating or undercompensating after cutting the engine. The aborted takeoff may also have been from mushy rudder controls, which would have the same effect. If anyone knows more, please post.
2206411411 9 months ago
@2206411411 classic ground loop its very common with bi-wing aircraft ive seen it a dozen times, theres a number of ways it can happen
airman01991 7 months ago
@2206411411 - not many twin-engined aircraft actually have or had "handed" engines - one that comes to mind that did is the Lockheed P-38 Lightning. It is cheaper and easier to have an inventory of engines that all spin the same way, so you don't have to worry about whether the engine you're replacing is a "left" engine or a "right" engine.
JBofBrisbane 5 months ago
@JBofBrisbane The P38 came up recently in another thread and it was said that even though the P-38 DID have counter-rotating props, they went the "wrong way". In other words, they were both critical engines. It was stated that it was done this way because of machine gun control or synchronization or something to that effect.
halnwheels 2 months ago
2:10 better to see takeoff
plasmasoro 10 months ago 3
2:15 to see it taking off
jd5683 10 months ago 16
@jd5683 or not take off 2:15
thehangover69 5 months ago
woooooooooooooooooooooooouuuuuuuu
DSi64man 11 months ago 10
How many pilots are prepared to tie a spring balance to the tail and fiddle about with the engine controls until they get the hang of it? Maybe it is a bit undignified, after all.... much better to be macho than cautious. The Camel was a bit like the Pitts S1, get the engine going at full chat and leave the ground seconds later, heading irrelevant. Things get easier without the sideways drag from the wheels!
SuperAviatar 11 months ago
Unlucky pilot and plane..
Vndemir 11 months ago
He's not revving it, the Gnome rotary doesn't have a throttle. It's power is controlled by its magnetos. There is a selector switch to run different power settings, (full, 1/4, 1/8. etc.) so there is really no way to ease the throttle up. The turn at the end was caused, I'm guessing, by the sudden loss of torque when the engine was cut out.
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englane 1 year ago
Sounds like he oiled up the plugs
mrfarmerjimbob 1 year ago
@mrfarmerjimbob Is that why he was revving it? To clear the plugs.
ckolonko 1 year ago
SOUNDS LIKE MY DADS OLD LAWN MOWER! :D
zxPivotManxz 1 year ago
... I love these pilots... Master of your guild.
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ColaWhiski 1 year ago
i like how the wheels stayed on durring taxi. i for one was very encouraged.
datzfast 1 year ago
Flying that would definitely invalidate most insurance policies.
WinchesterRanger 1 year ago
oooouuuhhhhh !!!!!! BAD AIRPLANE AND SO BAD ¿¿¿"""PILOT"" ??? ...suck !
combarbala 1 year ago
Are you kidding me? That thing sounded terrible and he was going to try to take off? Pfft. Good he didnt get going too fast.
Hardcorediver44 1 year ago
@Hardcorediver44 that is the way the engine is supposed to sound lol
straighttailpilot 1 year ago
Watch the rudder. As the plane starting turning to the right with full left rudder, he goes to full right rudder trying to spin it around in front of the building. It started to turn hard at first but with no propwash, rudders don't really have much effect. The plane just rolled straight into the building after that.
zuzupetals1999 1 year ago
She doesn't sound too good compared to one in another video.
Scioneer 1 year ago
NY94 is the airport ID to answer iissyy123 question!
AerofooI 1 year ago
it might just be me but i think he out the throttle up too fast :/
TheWhiteOwl23 1 year ago
@TheWhiteOwl23 With this type throttle is, you could say, either "on" or "off". Which means you would get alot of torque (not only) at takeoff. It's hard to fly, and I can't imagine what a mess it should have been during WWI with the kind of training they had at the time... :/
spouwerranger 1 year ago
@spouwerranger oh thats pretty weird lol, on or off haha, so is that why it makes that puttering noise?
TheWhiteOwl23 1 year ago
@TheWhiteOwl23 The camels fitted with these engines had dual magnetos, a blip mag for turning the engine on and off (known as "blipping" the engine, which was sometimes used for signalling) and a selector mag which can run the engine at various speeds, 1/2 1/4 and 1/8 speeds I believe. So the popping will be caused by the selector mag, as some of the cylinders may be shut off.
OddballSherman 1 year ago
It appeared that the aircraft thankfully sustained little damage as it was going quite slowly on the airfield. Keep in mind that the pilot is dealing with a high power output rotary engine (160 H.p. Gnome) and there is a considerable amount of torque. There are no brakes on these aircraft so ground handling is difficult at best. Also the rotary engines were temperamental and they can quit running unexpectedly. These are some of the dangers when one is flying early aircraft or replicas of.
alterman156 1 year ago
That's just painful to watch. Just goes to show you how hard that beast was to fly-- it killed almost as many pilots in accidents as were shot down by Germans.
DPW1889 1 year ago
Sounds like crazy frog....
collectorfun 1 year ago
I was recently at the AirShow, there is no airport code but it is called Old Rhinebeck.
StevieTProductions 1 year ago
No airport code that I know of, but it's just a short hop from Sky Park (46N).
Nununda 1 year ago
Thats a big LOL
phantomf41 1 year ago
what airport code?
iissyy123 1 year ago