@Ozkarftw Emmit smith is not even close to being one of the best. Emmit was surrounded by all these stars. He had the best o-line in history . It took him 2 extra years to beat wp record. DA BEARS!!
I've always believed Brown to be the best RB. Usually a back is either big and powerful or fast. Brown was both powerful and fast-perfect combination.
lets imagine how good Brown would have been today with the year round training, lifting, supplements we have today, so tack on more speed and power..damn..
Barry Sanders had a rubbish offensive line and there was no decent passing option in the offence either, so the opposition mantra was, "focus on stopping Barry Sanders" - the man had to perform miracles week in and week out - GOAT.
If it was so "easy" to be a running back in Jim browns time how come we don't hear very much about any other running back in the nfl at that time. It's because Jim brown was the best of his time. If he was In his prime today with all the perks we have today he would be the best running back still
This guy is by now outdated by any weight lifter of the past five years.He also was not sizedly matched off at that time or decade this guy is getting lost to injured reserves who could with injuries even show up.Brian Abramson
Barry sanders was amazing. Def the best of the modern era however he isn't someone you would give the ball 3rd n goal in a tight situation. He lost yards more times than any other back in history (with as many carries) . No need to argue I'm a huge sanders fan I just can't ignore what I saw with my own eyes and stats. He had a lot of 50+ yrd runs but too many losses to call him "GOAT" my opinion.
You can't compare athehletes of diff eras . U have to look at how someone dominated the competition of the era of their existence. Jesse Owens wouldn't win a college track meet his best 100 was 10.3 but humans have evolved. Jim brown dominated the running game like no other. Bottom line. It's like saying wilt chamberlain wasnt any good cuz he was taller than the rest of the NBA. That was the talent of the era and he dominated with the same resources . That's my opinion.
my god i thought barry sanders was the best because of his stats but then you watch jim brown and realize he played 14 games and say, hes fast, strong, quick, hes a dream running back, if i had one rb i would put on my team it would be jim brown.
Brown is basically Jamal Lewis in the 50/60s.Look how bad those guys are tackling.Football players back then wont even full time athletes & very undersized & very slow.You could put an average back now back then & he'll dominate.Do u really he could do that against Ray Lewis,Willis,Ware, Polamalu,Julius Peppers,Jared Allen,Kevin Williams or C.Mat thews?Lol I dont. These are way bigger, stronger & faster.Lol even Brandon Jacobs is way bigger than the olinemen back then.Diff ballgame today
@hitek9wittafulclip yeah but your comparing a 1950's brown with year 2011 lewis,polamalu,etc..take jim brown from the 50's and modernize him to now with all the new training techniques,nutrition,etc.. and he would dominate today
Jim Brown actually ran a 4.5 forty yard dash, at 225-230 lbs. That would be first round talent even in today's game. So he was a freak of nature in his time. Bo Jackson would be the only thing to compare in the modern times, if only Jackson played full time and remained durable.
@stormblast49 again though, your comparing a 1950's brown to todays players..think of jim brown nowadays..say he grew up in the year 2000, instead of 1950..i bet that 4.5 would be 4.2 and they didnt have 40 times back then,it was the 50 or the 100
I actually don't disagree with you I was comparing a 50s Brown to today to show how talented he was.
There is no question the 4.5 would be faster if the same person was in his prime today. They must have calculated the 40 from his 50 or 100, because there are numerous sources of his 4.5 forty.
Barry Sanders > Jim Brown- Brown played against people much less athletic and who were not full time athletes. He was awesome but hes no match for Barry Sanders. Brown may have been the better player but he lacks credibility because of the era in which he played.
@TheTrueNateHustle To ALL those claiming Jim Brown's era had smaller defenses compared to today, understand, it's ALL RELATIVE. Rules were worse back then (horse collars, helmet hits, cut blocking, close lining) WERE ALL LEGAL or loosely restricted. NO turf, worse/heavy equipment, no supplements. You say smaller defensive players against J. Brown?... I say smaller O-line blocking FOR him. Get a clue, Jim Brown at 5.2 ypc, ONLY 9 years and only 12 or 14 games per season IS THE BEST !!!
im not refering to todays NFL, im refering to the NFL of the late 80's early 90's when Sanders played. so id just have to put out there names like a Ronnie Lott, or LT, Ray Lewis as well. Jim brown played against many TRUE tough players, but the athletes of sanders era were way bigger faster and stronger. think about it- bruce smith, reggie white, derrick thomas, LT, i mean hell ronnie lott CUT OFF HIS OWN DAMN FINGER. not to mention greats like Deion sanders.
does jim brown remind anyone of adrian peterson, like how hes tall strong and they are built and kinda play alike and somewhat of how he runs. . . . . just a thought
Could you imagine how effective Brown would have been lined up at the tail in an I-formation. Back then the I-form hadn't come to the NFL yet, but alot of great backs dominated with it later. The I is perfect for a great back, it allows him to read blocks and make cutbacks while still going north. He gets a lead blocker and can still turn the corner at any moment. Brown averaged 5.2 ypc in an era that was still using stone age concepts.
@mewatchvideo1234 Hillis isnt jim brown but hes a damn good running back we gotta respect what we have right now. Maybe we need a jim brown in the quaterback position lol
Guys, if you put him in the 2000s hed be 260 and run a 4.2 with todays training. Everyone's on a equal playing field coaching, diets, training, etc. What you see here wouldve been less than he would now cause you could facemask and crap. And they weren't girls.
@UncutTuts Words spoken like a true asshole. Jim Brown played against people smaller than him all over the field. That's ridiculous. Barry Sanders is the BEST RUNNER ever.
@ChrisUlrich So what, he was a MAN... a beast out there which was to his advantage. Explain 5.2 yards per carry on grass. It's all relative. If a RB came along in 2012 at 6'5" 280lb running a 4.1sec 40 yard dash and averaging 10 yards rushing per game, you can't discount him because of his physical size is bigger (it's not fair... b-tch talk). Usain Bolt is a physical specimen in track and field. He's the fastest ever... you can't say he's only the fastest because his comp is smaller. Duh!
@UncutTuts how is sanders a joke, he'd have every single rushing record if he played as long as most HOF runningbacks. He did this all on a shitty team
@UncutTuts Your dumb Jim brown was running in a time were competion was much lower in nfl, the media wasnt as popular as it is now there were MUCH less college program, less people want to play for nfl there was less money to be made. The strategy, tactic and atheletism was much lower... All this adds to much easier time to play in.
Jim brown is one of the greatest but it much harder now to put up higher number, Barry sander or adrian peterson are the greatest of all time for now....
Wow, you're clearly a moron. Adrian peterson is not even close to Brown. Are you fucking kidding me? If you weren't alive to see him in person then you need to shut the fuck up because you're an idiot.
@pedropadrin today ppl have special training but back in jim browns day, none. Him the had that sort of training, he would be bigger, stronger, and faster
@PedoPedrin put the running backs today without the special trailing, rehap ,pain killers and put them back in the day and jim brown would make the look like little girls
The only way to measure greatness is performance on the field and without question based on performance Brown is the most dominant runner to play in the NFL so far. The only question I think of if he played today would be how many 2,000 yd seasons would this guy have???
one more thing I honestly would rather watch replays of Jim Brown,Walter Payton and Barry Sanders games then the ones we're watching nowadays because the NFL players nowadays seems to rely more on their athleticism rather then the skills and tactics I'm mean it's great to have athleticism but Jim Brown relied a lot on his skills along with his athleticism which you rarely see any of those type of NFL players nowadays though we have some that are like that such as Tom Brady whos my fav. player.
This man is without a doubt one of the greatest athletes our country has ever produced. Even though we still have some great NFL players right now in my opinion they will never be better or reach the same greatness level as Jim Brown,Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. And also in my opinion I think Jim Brown can outrun Reggie Bush
Jim brown was no questain the greatest RB of all time! Jim brown gain 1000+ yards in only 12 game seasons,your favorite RB today with 16 games a year can't do that year after year! Think of what Jim Brown whould've done in 16 games. 5 Star
There are some big running backs in the league today. However, these backs are known by defenses to have the need to be "wrapped up" when tackled or they cant be stopped. Jim just plain couldnt be stopped.
@Theerraticguy A running back who dominates in todays game would have ran for 3000 yards back then. Conditioning of players was bad, Brown for how good he was, got winded a lot, plus there was no play clock, so players had more time to catch their breath between plays. Plus there weren't many feared linebackers then. Now, pretty much the average linebacker can hit as hard as the hardest hitting players back then.
@lionslicer9999 I get so tired of responding to these "today's players would" blah blah. You take today's best RB - give him the conditioning regimens of Brown's day, the same equipment, the same size linemen - offensive and defensive, the same training and the same rules and your "todays" player doesn't gain 3000 yds. That's idiotic and shows you don't know football. Give Jim Brown the same training, equipment, coaching, etc and he's still a beast.
Bo Jackson shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Jim Brown. Bo was a 2nd tier back along with guys like Billy Sims, Tony Dorsett, John Riggins etc...
@NFLization tackling was bad, but he was the best player during that era. I mean out of all the running backs, he led the league in almost every rushing statistic almost every year he played.
there is no doubt in my mind that if he played today he would weigh around 255-260 pounds and average over 2000 yards a season---unquestionably the greatest player in NFL history -even if ESPN thinks its Jerry Rice
1:13 my favorite Jim Brown Highlight ever. That wasn't a stiff arm that was a mauling. Then takes off like Chris Johnson and at the very end when 99 percent of RB would have been taken down he just says "Fuck You I'm scoring" and pulls the db in with him. Unreal. Babe Ruth of RB. He would be by far the best RB today. His teamate said he had the strenght of a 350lb man. That was with doing pushups. Imagine if he was on a pro workout regime today.
Jim Brown was easily the best ever! his numbers are so far beyond reachable - deal with it people that never saw himover 100 yards a game - that is is unimaginable now
In response to the guy who said "No man has ever led baseball 8 years out of 9 in home runs": Babe Ruth was no less than second every year from 1918 to 1934, and led the league in home runs 6 years out of 7 from 1919 to 1925, and 8 out of 9 from 1923 to 1931. Not to take anything away from the validity of his statements about the greatness of Jim Brown, I just don't want to snub the Babe.
@BigRussNovak Ruth led the AL in 8 out of 9 from 1923 to 1931 but not the whole MLB. In 1925 Meusel led it and in 1930 Hack WIlson. A lot of people say in the 50's and 60's tackling was poor, maybe so, but also defenses were designed to stop the run back then with constantly having 8 in the box. The other thing is Brown was incredibly durable and in the 50's and 60's it was a lot rougher and a lot of the tackling styles outlawed today were allowed back then...
@BigRussNovak Running back was the most crucial position and Brown came through again and again and remarkably only missed one half of football due to a broken wrist.
number wise yes he's the greatest, but the argument of placing the greatest rb's in the defenses of today or even the 80's or 90's for that matter i believe would make a difference in their numbers. Except maybe Walter or Barry
No running back can "copy a style"...you either have the raw talent or you don't......The speed and power of an Earl Campbell was a God given talent......OJ, Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson all great ...Jim Brown was the greatest ever?? I don't think so; in his day defensive players were smaller and slower in that regard He was ahead of his time..Jim Brown would not have the stats he had if he played against the defensive players of the 70's and 80's
@Vezzo55 all time scales r useless because of the changing defensive talent i agree. however based on numbers he would be the best of all time. but talent wise... ehh you cant really determine that
@Vezzo55 Deacon Jones, Gino Marchetti, Bob Lily, Ray Nitschke, Dick Butkus, Dick Lane, Dick Lebeau, Sam Huff, Herb Adderl- he played fine against those guys however. thats an impressive list
@Vezzo55 Jim Brown was 230 Defensive linemen were still hitting 250-260. And hey if you have a time machine to go and get Jim Brown in his Prime and put him with the defensive players of the 70's and 80's by all means do it. But until then Jim Brown will remain the greatest of all due to the impact he made.
The greatest RB "ever".....No Way.... ...one of the best...Yes....Earl Campbell was faster and had more power......Numerous RB have rushed for more yards and had more athletic ability.....Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Emmit Smith, Eric Dickerson....the list goes on further......Jim Brown was greatest for his era.
I was arguing with my friend in school. He doesn't know shit about football, i told arguably the 3 greatest players ever to play is jim brown, lawrence taylor, and jerry rice. He was like that's bullshit wtf is jim brown. He said AP or some stupid bullshit. I've since stop talking anything football related with that man.
@sololeg1 i disagree lawrence tylor was on coke when he played that shit is a performance enhancer for defenders it makes you crazy feel no pain and unlimited energy his career is cheated
the word "best" refers to skill . The most skilled running back ever is barry. for anyone to say otherwise shows how little really know. #1 is barry now you can argue that jim brown was 2nd instead of walter but that could still be a strech. BARRY>jim brown We wil NEVER, i repeat NEVER see another running back as good as barry in our lifetime. so stop being dumb and just admit it
Every once in a while a player comes along and changes the way a sport is played. Jordan did it for basketball and Jim Brown did it for football. He's one of very few guys you could say that would probably been able to play today.
@nick42389 He went out on a high point, pretty smart. Also he went on to be in movies and such so that was probably a factor, he already made his mark on football, why not try acting. GO BROWNS !
@nick42389 because he was the best and said wow im bored im killing it i have basicly own the recored book this is sooo boring no one can touch me soo i wanna go do movies
Jim Brown had all 3 of the qualities that make a runningback great. He had speed, power and elusiveness. Walter Payton had all 3 as well. Those were the only two men that in NFL history that could crack the big run.. but yet get you the 2 or 3 yards you needed for that first down every time. I am a huge Barry Sanders fan and he was my boyhood idol... but he could not always get the 1-3 yards when needed. He was Bo Jackson before Bo Jackson..
@JohnNesdoly you are drunk sober up and watch some Barry highlights so you can retract that statement so that everyone will at least think you have a little intelligence
@JohnNesdoly You must be very young. Walter Payton wasn't fast and Didn't break many 20 yarders at all let alone 40 or better during his career. I do agree that he has to be in the top 5 because of his all around ability . But he wasn't thing close to Jim Brown in terms or speed. Barry Sanders is my favorite all time time player. Wayne fuentenez took him out on short yard situations , even on the goal line. People who know football know Barry Sanders was strong as a bull.
@JohnNesdoly Barry Sanders had the worst line out of all of the Elite Runningbacks ever! He didnt have enormous power, so he knew that if he wasn't touched in the first place, he wouldn't be tackled. Thats why he ran for his life. I think Bo had the most talent ever seen by the world, so it was really a shame that he blew out his hip. He could have been the best ever.
@JohnNesdoly I rate Brown #1 but you're wrong about Barry - he's #2. If you watched Barry then you know that when the Lions needed 2 yards, and the defense knew that too, there were more defensive players in the Lions backfield chasing Barry then there were Lions' offensive players to help him. EVERY time. It was like Barry was in one of those snowglobes - and the snowflakes were defensive players. He just dodged them as best he could. Still, those who really know football know Jim's #1.
Jim Brown had all 3 of the qualities that make a runningback great. He had speed, power and elusiveness. Walter Payton had all 3 as well. Those were the only two men that in NFL history that could crack the big run.. but yet get you the 2 or 3 yards you needed for that first down every time. I am a huge Barry Sanders fan and he was my boyhood idol... but he could not always get the 1-3 yards when needed.
2 b honest its nobodies fault if jim brown was bigger than or big as the guys who were trying 2 tackle him i mean its a physical contact sport not high school with a bully n a nerd, running backs get paid 4 and r remembered 4 running like a bull or. N 2 say he was great only bcause he was in a era full of white guys is purely infactuall, he played with and against big players of different races who hit hard, with less penalties and protective gear. his era ddnt define him he defined his era
Look at the caliber of these players, it's is a joke. Seriously these guys are sloppy as hell, all slow and small. Yes brown was awesome, way ahead of his contemporaries and a natural runner. he wouldn't have been that way today! The guy was slow, you can see it. Some say he ran a 4.5 but it was recorded as 4.9 at the NFL combine. Today he would have been to slow to be a linebacker.
@tmawl So he was recorded with a 4.9 in the NFL combine? Interesting; the NFL combine started in 1977. Brown had been out of the game for 12 years by then and would have been 41.
Can you tell me what Bobby Mitchell recorded at the NFL combine? Mitchell was considered one of the fastest men in the NFL in the early 60's, but has been quoted as saying Brown continually beat him when Mitchell was with the Browns.
But you probably know more than all these HOF's on this film, don't you?
My bad, I pulled that from "Answer .com" but for some reason grabbed igor olshansky 40 yard dash. I was thinking that was really slow but i just looked at multiple sources again for brown that all came up 4.5, still slow by today's standards. I still stand by my statement that he wouldn't have been a super star in today's game. Good yes but not the guy who broke 5 tackles on every carry against much weaker and slower comp. Sorry no way!!!!!
@tmawl I'm guessing you never watched him play. Think what you want but he's the best I've ever seen, and it's not close. Youngsters tend to denigrate the play of eras prior to theirs. I wonder how they'll handle youngsters 20 years from now denigrating their heroes for the same reason? A player can only play in their era, and nobody ever dominated an era of football like Brown did. He might be 260 running 4.3 40's today for all we know,with the improvements in nutrition and training.
@buc fan 1969 First of all I didn't say he wasn't great for his time, he was the best. I just don't think he would have had much success in the league today. You can only be so big until it effects your speed, I don't doubt he would have been 250 or 260 lbs and he would have probably been a linebacker. That is what happens to hundreds of backs in high school today. Do you watch the game anymore? The DE backs are so much better than what I am seeing in all this footage, It is almost laughable.
@tmawl I'm sure there were many in 1956 saying there was no way a 228 lb running back could be fast; that they should make him a linebacker. And in most cases they'd have been right. In Brown's case, they were wrong. The debate on how he'd do today is moot and pointless; all any player can do is play in his era. Babe Ruth didn't face sliders, relief pitching, night baseball, or black players, but he dominated his era like no other. Brown did the same in football. And yes; I still watch.
OK, bad comparison Babe Ruth and Jim Brown, a batter against a pitcher and a running back against the entire team. I love the fact that "you" threw in color, that is classic!!!! Well since "you" did throw in color than you may as well have some balance and add in the fact that a bunch of white boys were trying to tackle Jim Brown. Cant have it both ways.
@tmawl I've tried to have a civil conversation with you, but I guess we'll just have to disagree. My point was about players dominating their eras. Ruth dominated his in baseball. Brown his in football. And Chamberlain in basketball for that matter. Nobody has dominated to that extent since. How anyone would do in another era is idle speculation. I hope that's simple enough for you to understand. No need to respond; this conversation is over.
walter payton is way fucking better
1840218403 1 week ago
can someone please tell me the name of the first song? great vid btw
Arnaz316 2 weeks ago
@Ozkarftw Emmit smith is not even close to being one of the best. Emmit was surrounded by all these stars. He had the best o-line in history . It took him 2 extra years to beat wp record. DA BEARS!!
NiceEnderman 2 weeks ago
@NiceEnderman imo...
Ozkarftw 1 week ago
emmit smith was better......
Ozkarftw 3 weeks ago
@suny123boy1 UGGGGHhhhh, you should learn to speak english and like an adult.
hitek9wittafulclip 4 weeks ago
Jim Brown > Jerry Rice
Sage80 1 month ago
@ mewatchvideo1234 they have Peton Hillis, hes a savage
Nighthawk846 1 month ago
@mewatchvideo1234 they have Peton Hillis, hes a savage
Nighthawk846 1 month ago
1:12 look at # 50 getting thrown asside like a bitch lmao
tacodestroyer11 1 month ago
I got a bunch of NFL shirts - the only one I wear with real pride is the No. 32
sanjuz 1 month ago
walter payton best
dontebb1 1 month ago
Never missed a game.. Shows how much he loves football
NoahandujarTV 1 month ago
Led the league in rushing 8 out of 9 years. Beat that mutherfucker!
suny123boy1 1 month ago
@suny123boy1 The one year he finished second, in 1962, he was playing with a broken wrist.
buckfan1969 1 month ago
I've always believed Brown to be the best RB. Usually a back is either big and powerful or fast. Brown was both powerful and fast-perfect combination.
frank47hammer 1 month ago
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lets imagine how good Brown would have been today with the year round training, lifting, supplements we have today, so tack on more speed and power..damn..
JOHNCAL225 1 month ago
The TD At 1:14 is Amaing :D Go BRown!!!!
quantumnaruto 2 months ago
Barry Sanders had a rubbish offensive line and there was no decent passing option in the offence either, so the opposition mantra was, "focus on stopping Barry Sanders" - the man had to perform miracles week in and week out - GOAT.
LukeReed627 2 months ago
i would have loved to watch Jim Brown play!
CJFEB16 2 months ago
If it was so "easy" to be a running back in Jim browns time how come we don't hear very much about any other running back in the nfl at that time. It's because Jim brown was the best of his time. If he was In his prime today with all the perks we have today he would be the best running back still
NoahandujarTV 2 months ago
jim brown not even close to the best
97GamingCommentary 2 months ago
@97GamingCommentary hes good but not like sanders or payton
MrDanny8081 2 months ago
@MrDanny8081 EXACTLY!
97GamingCommentary 2 months ago
What team did he play for?
bootysweat44 2 months ago
@bootysweat44 browns from 1957 to 1965
ClevelandStorms 1 month ago
This guy is by now outdated by any weight lifter of the past five years.He also was not sizedly matched off at that time or decade this guy is getting lost to injured reserves who could with injuries even show up.Brian Abramson
alltimersful 2 months ago
@alltimersful
UGGGGHhhhh, football is not about being a weight lifter. Wow, you're a moron.
suny123boy1 1 month ago
Barry sanders was amazing. Def the best of the modern era however he isn't someone you would give the ball 3rd n goal in a tight situation. He lost yards more times than any other back in history (with as many carries) . No need to argue I'm a huge sanders fan I just can't ignore what I saw with my own eyes and stats. He had a lot of 50+ yrd runs but too many losses to call him "GOAT" my opinion.
motogpfan46rossi 2 months ago
You can't compare athehletes of diff eras . U have to look at how someone dominated the competition of the era of their existence. Jesse Owens wouldn't win a college track meet his best 100 was 10.3 but humans have evolved. Jim brown dominated the running game like no other. Bottom line. It's like saying wilt chamberlain wasnt any good cuz he was taller than the rest of the NBA. That was the talent of the era and he dominated with the same resources . That's my opinion.
motogpfan46rossi 2 months ago
barry sanders could of been better if he stay longer and had a O line
trizzmania11 2 months ago
Aw C'mon, the guy at 4:05 wanted no part of Jim Brown and he had like twelve more yards to make a real tackle. Not that I blame him though.
2008topshelf 2 months ago
He played for the BROWNS!!!!!!
jackiexiong50 2 months ago in playlist jim brown
Jim Brown iz awesome
swaggthe360waves 2 months ago
Jim brown was actually a FB
IshyD2K9Blad 3 months ago
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blondy101able 3 months ago
Brown was a giftet NFL RB, but back then the caliber of players was not was it is now. That alone accounts for his dominence.
nyerndc 3 months ago
my god i thought barry sanders was the best because of his stats but then you watch jim brown and realize he played 14 games and say, hes fast, strong, quick, hes a dream running back, if i had one rb i would put on my team it would be jim brown.
ChubbsThePenguin 3 months ago
Brown is basically Jamal Lewis in the 50/60s.Look how bad those guys are tackling.Football players back then wont even full time athletes & very undersized & very slow.You could put an average back now back then & he'll dominate.Do u really he could do that against Ray Lewis,Willis,Ware, Polamalu,Julius Peppers,Jared Allen,Kevin Williams or C.Mat thews?Lol I dont. These are way bigger, stronger & faster.Lol even Brandon Jacobs is way bigger than the olinemen back then.Diff ballgame today
hitek9wittafulclip 3 months ago
@hitek9wittafulclip yeah but your comparing a 1950's brown with year 2011 lewis,polamalu,etc..take jim brown from the 50's and modernize him to now with all the new training techniques,nutrition,etc.. and he would dominate today
sabreyow 3 months ago
@sabreyow
Jim Brown actually ran a 4.5 forty yard dash, at 225-230 lbs. That would be first round talent even in today's game. So he was a freak of nature in his time. Bo Jackson would be the only thing to compare in the modern times, if only Jackson played full time and remained durable.
stormblast49 3 months ago
@stormblast49 again though, your comparing a 1950's brown to todays players..think of jim brown nowadays..say he grew up in the year 2000, instead of 1950..i bet that 4.5 would be 4.2 and they didnt have 40 times back then,it was the 50 or the 100
sabreyow 3 months ago
@sabreyow
I actually don't disagree with you I was comparing a 50s Brown to today to show how talented he was.
There is no question the 4.5 would be faster if the same person was in his prime today. They must have calculated the 40 from his 50 or 100, because there are numerous sources of his 4.5 forty.
stormblast49 3 months ago
Barry Sanders > Jim Brown- Brown played against people much less athletic and who were not full time athletes. He was awesome but hes no match for Barry Sanders. Brown may have been the better player but he lacks credibility because of the era in which he played.
TheTrueNateHustle 3 months ago
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@TheTrueNateHustle To ALL those claiming Jim Brown's era had smaller defenses compared to today, understand, it's ALL RELATIVE. Rules were worse back then (horse collars, helmet hits, cut blocking, close lining) WERE ALL LEGAL or loosely restricted. NO turf, worse/heavy equipment, no supplements. You say smaller defensive players against J. Brown?... I say smaller O-line blocking FOR him. Get a clue, Jim Brown at 5.2 ypc, ONLY 9 years and only 12 or 14 games per season IS THE BEST !!!
Techspert 3 months ago
@TheTrueNateHustle
Because of the era? You had Sam Huff and other hell of a lot tougher linebackers than you have today. Tell me what Linebacker today is like Sam Huff.
suny123boy1 2 months ago
@suny123boy1
im not refering to todays NFL, im refering to the NFL of the late 80's early 90's when Sanders played. so id just have to put out there names like a Ronnie Lott, or LT, Ray Lewis as well. Jim brown played against many TRUE tough players, but the athletes of sanders era were way bigger faster and stronger. think about it- bruce smith, reggie white, derrick thomas, LT, i mean hell ronnie lott CUT OFF HIS OWN DAMN FINGER. not to mention greats like Deion sanders.
TheTrueNateHustle 2 months ago
does jim brown remind anyone of adrian peterson, like how hes tall strong and they are built and kinda play alike and somewhat of how he runs. . . . . just a thought
FrankMaster73 3 months ago
Walter payton> brown
leedaomillz 4 months ago
He could juke like Barry Sanders. Hit like Waltor Payton Spined like a top.
xpress1546 4 months ago
"...at 50 years old, I would've bet he could've gained 1000 yards in the NFL." Paul Hornung talking gambling. High comedy.
troyflowers 4 months ago
Could you imagine how effective Brown would have been lined up at the tail in an I-formation. Back then the I-form hadn't come to the NFL yet, but alot of great backs dominated with it later. The I is perfect for a great back, it allows him to read blocks and make cutbacks while still going north. He gets a lead blocker and can still turn the corner at any moment. Brown averaged 5.2 ypc in an era that was still using stone age concepts.
FantasticF00tballer 4 months ago 2
We browns fans need another Jim Brown...if another one is ever born that is.
mewatchvideo1234 4 months ago 5
@mewatchvideo1234 Hillis isnt jim brown but hes a damn good running back we gotta respect what we have right now. Maybe we need a jim brown in the quaterback position lol
tacodestroyer11 1 month ago
This could very well be the best runner EVER!!! >>>"youtube.com/watch?v=raHW0kzoUPA"
danmoc13 4 months ago
Im jim Browns cuz and im a running back 2 and im just like him i score 5 or 6 touch downs a game
Teamblackambu12 4 months ago
Guys, if you put him in the 2000s hed be 260 and run a 4.2 with todays training. Everyone's on a equal playing field coaching, diets, training, etc. What you see here wouldve been less than he would now cause you could facemask and crap. And they weren't girls.
magnum4magnets82 4 months ago
Greatest fullback ever.
dcbandnerd 4 months ago
@dcbandnerd fullback really? the guy was running past DBs like there standing still
realogre32 4 months ago
@realogre32 He was as speedy and elusive as a halfback, but he was lined up in the fullback position and was listed as a fullback while he played.
dcbandnerd 4 months ago
back when the browns were the best they arnt now but there making a comback
brianb0708 5 months ago
I seriously think Fred Taylor watched this guy play, he reminds me of him a LOT
xjavix1995 5 months ago
Too bad Berry Sanders is better!
MrNemnem21 5 months ago
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@MrNemnem21 lol sanders is a joke compared to jim brown gtfo scrub
UncutTuts 5 months ago 11
@UncutTuts Words spoken like a true asshole. Jim Brown played against people smaller than him all over the field. That's ridiculous. Barry Sanders is the BEST RUNNER ever.
ChrisUlrich 4 months ago
@ChrisUlrich No, he is the best running back and people agree with me thats why it is thumbs up so I win you suck
UncutTuts 4 months ago
@ChrisUlrich So what, he was a MAN... a beast out there which was to his advantage. Explain 5.2 yards per carry on grass. It's all relative. If a RB came along in 2012 at 6'5" 280lb running a 4.1sec 40 yard dash and averaging 10 yards rushing per game, you can't discount him because of his physical size is bigger (it's not fair... b-tch talk). Usain Bolt is a physical specimen in track and field. He's the fastest ever... you can't say he's only the fastest because his comp is smaller. Duh!
Techspert 3 months ago
@ChrisUlrich
UGGGGGGGhhhhhhhhh, Barry Sanders is shell compared to Brown. Sanders couldn't run anyone over. Game. Set. Match.....
suny123boy1 2 months ago
@UncutTuts how is sanders a joke, he'd have every single rushing record if he played as long as most HOF runningbacks. He did this all on a shitty team
maxypooh15 3 months ago
@UncutTuts Sanders is one of the best ever. If that's the case, everyones a scrub to Brown.
Mistrbonbon1122 3 months ago
@UncutTuts Your dumb Jim brown was running in a time were competion was much lower in nfl, the media wasnt as popular as it is now there were MUCH less college program, less people want to play for nfl there was less money to be made. The strategy, tactic and atheletism was much lower... All this adds to much easier time to play in.
Jim brown is one of the greatest but it much harder now to put up higher number, Barry sander or adrian peterson are the greatest of all time for now....
UnderDog988 3 months ago
@UnderDog988 You're a fucking idiot.
UncutTuts 3 months ago
@UncutTuts ouch
UnderDog988 3 months ago
@UnderDog988
Wow, you're clearly a moron. Adrian peterson is not even close to Brown. Are you fucking kidding me? If you weren't alive to see him in person then you need to shut the fuck up because you're an idiot.
suny123boy1 2 months ago
@MrNemnem21
How? Sanders can't run over someone.
suny123boy1 4 months ago
What did Bill Parcells mean by "before his time" kind of player? That sounds kind of like an insult to me.
NightRanger77 5 months ago
@NightRanger77 he says thigh!
BUTTHEAD45Rulez 5 months ago
to bad the browns suck
brandonxnodnarb 5 months ago
@brandonxnodnarb
Screw you, comment removed.
suny123boy1 4 months ago
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What the fuck kind of screen name is brandonxondnarb???????
suny123boy1 2 months ago
Jim Brown greatest running back ever? No. Greatest PLAYER ever!
masamune28954 5 months ago 2
@pedropadrin today ppl have special training but back in jim browns day, none. Him the had that sort of training, he would be bigger, stronger, and faster
DJmasternotnice 5 months ago
Not hating... Ok! Im not hatin on Jim Brown, But athletes now a days are way, WAY different. He wouldnt be that good in this league
PedoPedrin 5 months ago
@PedoPedrin put the running backs today without the special trailing, rehap ,pain killers and put them back in the day and jim brown would make the look like little girls
realogre32 4 months ago
@PedoPedrin
How do you know that, did you watch Brown play in person?
suny123boy1 2 months ago
The only way to measure greatness is performance on the field and without question based on performance Brown is the most dominant runner to play in the NFL so far. The only question I think of if he played today would be how many 2,000 yd seasons would this guy have???
BNS224 5 months ago
He was as big as the guys on defense.
Sirscorps 5 months ago
one more thing I honestly would rather watch replays of Jim Brown,Walter Payton and Barry Sanders games then the ones we're watching nowadays because the NFL players nowadays seems to rely more on their athleticism rather then the skills and tactics I'm mean it's great to have athleticism but Jim Brown relied a lot on his skills along with his athleticism which you rarely see any of those type of NFL players nowadays though we have some that are like that such as Tom Brady whos my fav. player.
Brownpride480 5 months ago
This man is without a doubt one of the greatest athletes our country has ever produced. Even though we still have some great NFL players right now in my opinion they will never be better or reach the same greatness level as Jim Brown,Walter Payton or Barry Sanders. And also in my opinion I think Jim Brown can outrun Reggie Bush
Brownpride480 5 months ago
@Brownpride480 and I mean out run him if there were herd of tacklers coming towards them.
Brownpride480 5 months ago
Jim brown was no questain the greatest RB of all time! Jim brown gain 1000+ yards in only 12 game seasons,your favorite RB today with 16 games a year can't do that year after year! Think of what Jim Brown whould've done in 16 games. 5 Star
Skydiver301 5 months ago 2
He's basically like Wilt Chamberlain in basketball. Played in a era of unathletic players, but he was athletic, so it was easy for him.
TheKentuckyCATz 5 months ago
@TheKentuckyCATz Imagine if Jim ran out of the "I" formation as a TB. Gilchrist was a powerhouse too.
Sirscorps 5 months ago
@TheKentuckyCATz ya because players like deacon jones and dick butkus where bums right i can see why you would say that
realogre32 4 months ago 2
ok mutha!F___ ...12 games and 14 games a season...not 16..nuff said ...SHUT THE F UP
gronlaf 5 months ago
104.3 ...5.2....0. The greatest ever!!!!
tallsmile28 6 months ago
There are some big running backs in the league today. However, these backs are known by defenses to have the need to be "wrapped up" when tackled or they cant be stopped. Jim just plain couldnt be stopped.
Gungho73 6 months ago
Best football player ever no question.
sandeehoward 6 months ago 2
@Theerraticguy A running back who dominates in todays game would have ran for 3000 yards back then. Conditioning of players was bad, Brown for how good he was, got winded a lot, plus there was no play clock, so players had more time to catch their breath between plays. Plus there weren't many feared linebackers then. Now, pretty much the average linebacker can hit as hard as the hardest hitting players back then.
lionslicer9999 6 months ago
@lionslicer9999 I get so tired of responding to these "today's players would" blah blah. You take today's best RB - give him the conditioning regimens of Brown's day, the same equipment, the same size linemen - offensive and defensive, the same training and the same rules and your "todays" player doesn't gain 3000 yds. That's idiotic and shows you don't know football. Give Jim Brown the same training, equipment, coaching, etc and he's still a beast.
gasface88 6 months ago
Let's see if hilis can have a grate year like him. Lets go dawgs!!
Devmaxbus 6 months ago
Bo Jackson shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Jim Brown. Bo was a 2nd tier back along with guys like Billy Sims, Tony Dorsett, John Riggins etc...
1Blkkato 7 months ago
I give this guy a lot credit but tackling was poor back in 10000 B.C.
NFLization 7 months ago
@NFLization tackling was bad, but he was the best player during that era. I mean out of all the running backs, he led the league in almost every rushing statistic almost every year he played.
lionslicer9999 6 months ago
excuse me commentator but jordan led the league in scoring more than ten times
187murder1000 7 months ago
if he was in the nfl theis days the browns would have superbowl written all over them
cartman659 7 months ago
if u dnt like jim brown then you are ah hater
850mambo 7 months ago
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skywalker71903 7 months ago
nice block at 1:46 :D
MrFullback43 7 months ago
Alone with Micheal Jordan, as best athelete ever!
Brettsburg20 7 months ago
@Brettsburg20 this is foot ball not basketball dumb ass!!
wwefans241 7 months ago
barry saders best RB
BossyRN 7 months ago
The way Jim Brown ran over and around defenses.......No one from that era on defense should be considered a Hall of Famer....
MrMempho10 7 months ago
there is no doubt in my mind that if he played today he would weigh around 255-260 pounds and average over 2000 yards a season---unquestionably the greatest player in NFL history -even if ESPN thinks its Jerry Rice
kpcolman 7 months ago
this video gave me the chills
matthewbonk 7 months ago
1:13 my favorite Jim Brown Highlight ever. That wasn't a stiff arm that was a mauling. Then takes off like Chris Johnson and at the very end when 99 percent of RB would have been taken down he just says "Fuck You I'm scoring" and pulls the db in with him. Unreal. Babe Ruth of RB. He would be by far the best RB today. His teamate said he had the strenght of a 350lb man. That was with doing pushups. Imagine if he was on a pro workout regime today.
CobainLennon8094 8 months ago
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CobainLennon8094 8 months ago
The title of this video says enough
FRSFreeState 8 months ago
This man talked about Psycho-Cybernetics and "visualization" before ANY athlete period! Why? Because of his mental method to his madness.
HanzSygnal 8 months ago
Jim Brown was easily the best ever! his numbers are so far beyond reachable - deal with it people that never saw himover 100 yards a game - that is is unimaginable now
wofmann 8 months ago
In response to the guy who said "No man has ever led baseball 8 years out of 9 in home runs": Babe Ruth was no less than second every year from 1918 to 1934, and led the league in home runs 6 years out of 7 from 1919 to 1925, and 8 out of 9 from 1923 to 1931. Not to take anything away from the validity of his statements about the greatness of Jim Brown, I just don't want to snub the Babe.
BigRussNovak 8 months ago
@BigRussNovak Ruth led the AL in 8 out of 9 from 1923 to 1931 but not the whole MLB. In 1925 Meusel led it and in 1930 Hack WIlson. A lot of people say in the 50's and 60's tackling was poor, maybe so, but also defenses were designed to stop the run back then with constantly having 8 in the box. The other thing is Brown was incredibly durable and in the 50's and 60's it was a lot rougher and a lot of the tackling styles outlawed today were allowed back then...
BNS224 5 months ago
@BigRussNovak Running back was the most crucial position and Brown came through again and again and remarkably only missed one half of football due to a broken wrist.
BNS224 5 months ago
number wise yes he's the greatest, but the argument of placing the greatest rb's in the defenses of today or even the 80's or 90's for that matter i believe would make a difference in their numbers. Except maybe Walter or Barry
MrThetruth1986 9 months ago
Hell Yeah!!!!
tr3day05 9 months ago
Emmitt Smith and Jim Brown are the best running backs ever.
MrEggBurnt 9 months ago
@MrEggBurnt emmit smith is number 8 at best
Rperdue1000 8 months ago
Best FOOTBALL PLAYER EVER
cbone72 10 months ago
No running back can "copy a style"...you either have the raw talent or you don't......The speed and power of an Earl Campbell was a God given talent......OJ, Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders and Eric Dickerson all great ...Jim Brown was the greatest ever?? I don't think so; in his day defensive players were smaller and slower in that regard He was ahead of his time..Jim Brown would not have the stats he had if he played against the defensive players of the 70's and 80's
Vezzo55 10 months ago
@Vezzo55 all time scales r useless because of the changing defensive talent i agree. however based on numbers he would be the best of all time. but talent wise... ehh you cant really determine that
Sperix1 9 months ago
@Vezzo55 Deacon Jones, Gino Marchetti, Bob Lily, Ray Nitschke, Dick Butkus, Dick Lane, Dick Lebeau, Sam Huff, Herb Adderl- he played fine against those guys however. thats an impressive list
Sperix1 9 months ago
@Vezzo55 Jim Brown was 230 Defensive linemen were still hitting 250-260. And hey if you have a time machine to go and get Jim Brown in his Prime and put him with the defensive players of the 70's and 80's by all means do it. But until then Jim Brown will remain the greatest of all due to the impact he made.
sololeg1 9 months ago
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My grandpa played against Brown.. said he was amazing. Nobody could stop this guy
IrwinsFollowers 10 months ago
My grandpa played against Brown.. said he was amazing. Nobody could stop this guy
IrwinsFollowers 10 months ago
The greatest RB "ever".....No Way.... ...one of the best...Yes....Earl Campbell was faster and had more power......Numerous RB have rushed for more yards and had more athletic ability.....Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, Emmit Smith, Eric Dickerson....the list goes on further......Jim Brown was greatest for his era.
Vezzo55 10 months ago
@Vezzo55 But they all came after brown, merely copying his style. That what makes him the greatest he still impacts the players today.
sololeg1 10 months ago
easily the greatest all-round running back in nfl history, and the greatest football player of all time.
yusufu9 10 months ago
I was arguing with my friend in school. He doesn't know shit about football, i told arguably the 3 greatest players ever to play is jim brown, lawrence taylor, and jerry rice. He was like that's bullshit wtf is jim brown. He said AP or some stupid bullshit. I've since stop talking anything football related with that man.
sololeg1 10 months ago
@sololeg1 i disagree lawrence tylor was on coke when he played that shit is a performance enhancer for defenders it makes you crazy feel no pain and unlimited energy his career is cheated
Yoder23m 10 months ago
the word "best" refers to skill . The most skilled running back ever is barry. for anyone to say otherwise shows how little really know. #1 is barry now you can argue that jim brown was 2nd instead of walter but that could still be a strech. BARRY>jim brown We wil NEVER, i repeat NEVER see another running back as good as barry in our lifetime. so stop being dumb and just admit it
SR204G637MGTE 11 months ago
@SR204G637MGTE
Uhm no, most skilled doesn't mean ymost effective or dominant
It's better to have a dominant runner who is less skilled, than a skilled runner who is less dominant
I can name many running backs more skilled than Walter Payton, but few that are better
Paragon231 10 months ago
And he was a beast at lacrosse, better than he was at football.
Sadomiwertyo 11 months ago
Jim Brown ran over entire defenses.
He could not be stopped.
He is the best ever.
George Vreeland Hill
GeorgeVreelandHill 1 year ago 12
Every once in a while a player comes along and changes the way a sport is played. Jordan did it for basketball and Jim Brown did it for football. He's one of very few guys you could say that would probably been able to play today.
TheWunduR 1 year ago
why he retired so young?
nick42389 1 year ago
@nick42389 He went out on a high point, pretty smart. Also he went on to be in movies and such so that was probably a factor, he already made his mark on football, why not try acting. GO BROWNS !
eightbitclick 1 year ago
@nick42389
Considering that most Running backs decline rapidly when they hit 30, he really did not retire that young
Paragon231 11 months ago
@nick42389 because he was the best and said wow im bored im killing it i have basicly own the recored book this is sooo boring no one can touch me soo i wanna go do movies
Yoder23m 10 months ago
Jim Brown had all 3 of the qualities that make a runningback great. He had speed, power and elusiveness. Walter Payton had all 3 as well. Those were the only two men that in NFL history that could crack the big run.. but yet get you the 2 or 3 yards you needed for that first down every time. I am a huge Barry Sanders fan and he was my boyhood idol... but he could not always get the 1-3 yards when needed. He was Bo Jackson before Bo Jackson..
JohnNesdoly 1 year ago 19
@JohnNesdoly you are drunk sober up and watch some Barry highlights so you can retract that statement so that everyone will at least think you have a little intelligence
SR204G637MGTE 11 months ago
@JohnNesdoly No as great as Walter was he didn't have the necessary breakway speed that Brown had in his prime
dal4018 8 months ago
@JohnNesdoly You must be very young. Walter Payton wasn't fast and Didn't break many 20 yarders at all let alone 40 or better during his career. I do agree that he has to be in the top 5 because of his all around ability . But he wasn't thing close to Jim Brown in terms or speed. Barry Sanders is my favorite all time time player. Wayne fuentenez took him out on short yard situations , even on the goal line. People who know football know Barry Sanders was strong as a bull.
Rperdue1000 8 months ago
@JohnNesdoly um look at barry sanders o-line
ExcentricGaming 7 months ago 2
@JohnNesdoly Barry Sanders had the worst line out of all of the Elite Runningbacks ever! He didnt have enormous power, so he knew that if he wasn't touched in the first place, he wouldn't be tackled. Thats why he ran for his life. I think Bo had the most talent ever seen by the world, so it was really a shame that he blew out his hip. He could have been the best ever.
SkyHighCrewEnt 7 months ago
@JohnNesdoly I rate Brown #1 but you're wrong about Barry - he's #2. If you watched Barry then you know that when the Lions needed 2 yards, and the defense knew that too, there were more defensive players in the Lions backfield chasing Barry then there were Lions' offensive players to help him. EVERY time. It was like Barry was in one of those snowglobes - and the snowflakes were defensive players. He just dodged them as best he could. Still, those who really know football know Jim's #1.
gasface88 6 months ago
Jim Brown had all 3 of the qualities that make a runningback great. He had speed, power and elusiveness. Walter Payton had all 3 as well. Those were the only two men that in NFL history that could crack the big run.. but yet get you the 2 or 3 yards you needed for that first down every time. I am a huge Barry Sanders fan and he was my boyhood idol... but he could not always get the 1-3 yards when needed.
JohnNesdoly 1 year ago
Dude this guy can beat superman or maybe CHUCK NORRIS! :D
XxMlee065 1 year ago
Number 32 thats my number
USMCHDJ 1 year ago
2 b honest its nobodies fault if jim brown was bigger than or big as the guys who were trying 2 tackle him i mean its a physical contact sport not high school with a bully n a nerd, running backs get paid 4 and r remembered 4 running like a bull or. N 2 say he was great only bcause he was in a era full of white guys is purely infactuall, he played with and against big players of different races who hit hard, with less penalties and protective gear. his era ddnt define him he defined his era
jkiddhero 1 year ago
search both these on youtube, he had no one blocking for him his entire career.
Barry Sanders Ultimate Highlight Video
Barry Sanders - greatest of all time
tmawl 1 year ago
Look at the caliber of these players, it's is a joke. Seriously these guys are sloppy as hell, all slow and small. Yes brown was awesome, way ahead of his contemporaries and a natural runner. he wouldn't have been that way today! The guy was slow, you can see it. Some say he ran a 4.5 but it was recorded as 4.9 at the NFL combine. Today he would have been to slow to be a linebacker.
That's DE speed.
tmawl 1 year ago
@tmawl So he was recorded with a 4.9 in the NFL combine? Interesting; the NFL combine started in 1977. Brown had been out of the game for 12 years by then and would have been 41.
Can you tell me what Bobby Mitchell recorded at the NFL combine? Mitchell was considered one of the fastest men in the NFL in the early 60's, but has been quoted as saying Brown continually beat him when Mitchell was with the Browns.
But you probably know more than all these HOF's on this film, don't you?
buckfan1969 1 year ago
@buckfan1969
My bad, I pulled that from "Answer .com" but for some reason grabbed igor olshansky 40 yard dash. I was thinking that was really slow but i just looked at multiple sources again for brown that all came up 4.5, still slow by today's standards. I still stand by my statement that he wouldn't have been a super star in today's game. Good yes but not the guy who broke 5 tackles on every carry against much weaker and slower comp. Sorry no way!!!!!
tmawl 1 year ago
@tmawl I'm guessing you never watched him play. Think what you want but he's the best I've ever seen, and it's not close. Youngsters tend to denigrate the play of eras prior to theirs. I wonder how they'll handle youngsters 20 years from now denigrating their heroes for the same reason? A player can only play in their era, and nobody ever dominated an era of football like Brown did. He might be 260 running 4.3 40's today for all we know,with the improvements in nutrition and training.
buckfan1969 1 year ago
@buc fan 1969 First of all I didn't say he wasn't great for his time, he was the best. I just don't think he would have had much success in the league today. You can only be so big until it effects your speed, I don't doubt he would have been 250 or 260 lbs and he would have probably been a linebacker. That is what happens to hundreds of backs in high school today. Do you watch the game anymore? The DE backs are so much better than what I am seeing in all this footage, It is almost laughable.
tmawl 1 year ago
@tmawl I'm sure there were many in 1956 saying there was no way a 228 lb running back could be fast; that they should make him a linebacker. And in most cases they'd have been right. In Brown's case, they were wrong. The debate on how he'd do today is moot and pointless; all any player can do is play in his era. Babe Ruth didn't face sliders, relief pitching, night baseball, or black players, but he dominated his era like no other. Brown did the same in football. And yes; I still watch.
buckfan1969 1 year ago
@buckfan1969
OK, bad comparison Babe Ruth and Jim Brown, a batter against a pitcher and a running back against the entire team. I love the fact that "you" threw in color, that is classic!!!! Well since "you" did throw in color than you may as well have some balance and add in the fact that a bunch of white boys were trying to tackle Jim Brown. Cant have it both ways.
tmawl 1 year ago
@tmawl I've tried to have a civil conversation with you, but I guess we'll just have to disagree. My point was about players dominating their eras. Ruth dominated his in baseball. Brown his in football. And Chamberlain in basketball for that matter. Nobody has dominated to that extent since. How anyone would do in another era is idle speculation. I hope that's simple enough for you to understand. No need to respond; this conversation is over.
buckfan1969 1 year ago