Khon : "Rua Sam La Suriyabhop"

[acrovis]

Thai National Arts are the the greatest and most beautiful one. They are very unique and complicated. Hard to be copied and stolen by other country such as the country adjacent to eastern Thailand. So do not worry about this. They may be able to copy some but not all. Thai Dance & Music is too difficult for their brains to copy all.

[MsBaiBuaBok]

เสียงกังวาลมากๆ ขอบคุณที่เผยแพร่ค่ะ

[yothin743]

ครู จุล รำสวยมากครับ เอาง่ายๆถ่ายที่วิทยาลัยนาฏศิลป วังหน้า(ปัจจุบันป็นสถาบันบัณฑิ­ตพัฒนศิลป์ กระทรวงวัฒนธรรม ครับ) ใครเถียงมาเจอกันครับจะพาไปชม ไทยแท้แน่นอน อย่ามาแอบอ้างครับเสียเวลา

[minkdrink]

ขอยืนยันคะว่าคือ โบสถ์บวรสถานสุทธาวาส หรือ โบสถ์พระแก้ววังหน้า ^^ เรียนที่นี้มาตั้งแต่ ม.1 จนปัจจุบันอยู่ชั้นปริญญาแล้วละ­คะ

[Thonghlangpra]

ถ่ายที่โบสถ์พระแก้ววังหน้า ต้องถามผู้รู้อีกที แต่ที่แน่ๆ ใครคิดจัญไรหัดท่าตามครู และนำไปใช้แสดง โดยที่ครูไม่ได้สอน ไม่ได้จับท่าหัดให้ ผู้นั้นจักต้องฉิบหายด้วย "แรงครู" เป็นแน่ครับ หวังว่า ผู้ที่ศึกษานาฏศิลป์ทุกคนคงเข้า­ใจคำว่า "แรงครู" ดี ไม่ว่าจะ "ชาติใด" ก็มี "แรงครู" ทั้งสิ้น

[tik66sithichai]

made in thailand ศิลปะชั้นสูงของไทยครับ



[chaiyampawan]

ครูจุลชาติ อรัณยะนาค ผู้รำ

[HPTAO]

ศิลปะไทนสูงส่งสวยงามยิ่งนักครั­บ

[jariworld]

Thai is the Real one.Thx

[Aonkungbra]

รำสวยนะเนี่ย มาตรฐานโขนเขาเลยหละ  น่าชมครับ

[tomza333]

ดนตรีเล่นสดหรือป่าวคับ เสียงก้อง เพราะมากเลย ฟังแล้วขนลุกในความเป็นไทยครับ

[kkkt1000]

ผมชอบมาก ดูอาทิตย์ละครั้งเลยครับ

[narumoon1]

Great performance. Thankyou so much for uploading.

[pdintertrade]

If you go to Thailand, you should visit once.

[kawaiilich]

รำในโบสถ์ เรย อ่ะ  สวย ค่ะ

[acrovis]

เป็นคนไทยเหมือนกัน อย่าทะเลาะกัน ดีกันเข้าไว้

[indrachit]

Thanks edelseth. Like Chinese to Japanese. Do Cambodian still speak these words?

[MusaboruOo]

@indrachit Yeah, Cambodians do use a lot of these words that edelseth posted. But some Old Khmer words is slightly different in Modern Khmer. And also Modern Khmer uses two vowel registers, it can make some vowel symbols pronounced as diphthongs. Most notably, change of A into EA. Yai - Yeay

[indrachit]

@MusaboruOo thank you for confirming my understanding, it is like Chinese to Japanese.

[indrachit]

You know edelseth. I dream of the the day I can perform a dance with Cambodian dancers in the same performance without debating on subject of its origin and politics. There's a lot to share and make our culture bond stronger, I believe.

[edelseth]

Most notable date of Siamese invasion of Angkor is 1432 and Burmese of Ayuthaya 1767. So influence from Khmer to Thai began at least 600 years ago...

[indrachit]

It is sad to see that so much hatre and competition have been put over feeling among Burmese, Thai, Laos and Cambodian people. Instead of saying who hurted who, or who stole from who, why can't we all admit that we all share the same ancestors and ancestrial cultures as there were many intermariage between our races ranged from the Monarches to the peasants. We can't we sit down and study the evolution of our arts and culture together so we would know better about what have become us today.

[edelseth]

I agree with you that we all are related starting in Africa! However, many Thais often misunderstood and looked down upon Cambodians as inferiors...they forget that a large proportion of the Thai culture came from Khmer...and often said that Khmer copied Thai

[indrachit]

Ha ha, I didn't know you would have gone as far as Africa. It wouldn't have been so bad if I can be black ;-) History edlseth, history that is now being taught in our countries that make we hate each other. I admire the ancient Khmer civilisation. In fact, I am in love with the arts. To be honest, I believe Khmerian was one of Siamese ancestial races. However, I al believe that art and cultures between the two had been intrachanged over hundreds of years as you may well have known.

[indrachit]

In term of Thai Classical Dancing. To dates, I must admit that it is not like alphabets that we can trace evidence from stone scriptures. It is intangible and no one have ever recorded in drawing and writing about how it looked like when the dance was firstly emerged. It is possibility that Khmer dance might have influenced the Thai Dance but since the dancing from these days are so much differed from those deities postures appeared on stone carved detail in Khmer sanctuaries. It is hard to tell

[indrachit]

in exact that the dancing forms were originated in Cambodia. Dancing is quite natural and we all admit that India was the major source of our national classical dance. Thai dance (and other culture) can also possibly be brought into Siam as early as the Dhavaravti Empire which ruled this area before the Khmer invasion or it can also be brought from the South through the Srivijaya Empire that was established by the Indian merchants.

[edelseth]

Cambodia or "Kambuja" or "Kambujadesa" or "กัมพุชเทศ" was a name given by early Kshatrya ruling class of Cambodia who were originated in the Pamir mountains of present-day Afghanistan. The Kambojas chieftains traveled to Gujarat (northwestern India) during the early 1st century BCE,

[edelseth]

Khmer and Mon (a people related to Khmer) writings are a modified form of Southern Indian Palava scripts which has 34 consonants and 36 vowels the most of any according the world Guiness book of record. Mon later dissappeared but Monic writings are still used by the Burmese...

[indrachit]

Do Mon and Khmer share the same race?

[edelseth]

It is possible that Mon and Khmer are related since they share similar language and culture like Thai to Laotian. Many Laotians can understand Thai but not other way around, likewise with Mon and Khmer.

[edelseth]

The Khmer language contains about 40% Sanskrit and Pali words and the Thai language contains about 40% Khmer words. Royal vocabulary since the Angkor era is still currently in use in the Thai royal court. Here are some notable examples:

[edelseth]

เกิด, กำเนิด (born, birth)

กด, กำหนด ( specification)

ตรา, ตำรา (stamp, chart)

ตรวจ, ตำรวจ (inspect, inspection)

ชาญ, ชำนาญ (skill, skillfull)

เชิญ, อัญเชิญ (invite, invitation)

พร, อวยพร (well wishes, blessing)

แต่ง, ตำแหน่ง (decorate, position)

[edelseth]

More Khmer words in the Thai language:

สะอาด, ฉลาด, ผกา, เพ็ญแข, ขบวน, จด, จำ, จรด, จบ, นำ, ใน, นี้, ชิด, ลือ, วง, มูล, เขนิย, กบาล, บัง, สงสัย, ปัญหา, ภัย, สบาย, สระ, ยัก,

[edelseth]

More Khmer words (กำพุชพากย์ & ราชาสัพท์) in the Thai language:

รำ, รวบรวม, เรื่อง, เครื่อง, ฉงน, กังวล, สหาย, สนม, ทหาร, ถนน, สพาน, ลา, ตา, ยาย, ชน, ชนบท, ประชาชน, ประชวน, ประกวด, ประกาศ, พระเนตร, พระหฤทัย, ฯลฯ

[edelseth]

then to Sri Lanka then to Oc-Eo (in present-day near Hatien, South Vietnam) "โอ-แก้ว or คลองแก้ว" and eventually established the early capital Angkorborei "นครบุรี" during Funan period (4th/5th century AD)

[edelseth]

in Takeo province "ตาแก้ว"...the first Khmer king was Kambusvayambhuva "กัมพุสวัยมภูวะ" who married the local chieftain's daughter mhra "เมระ" so ( Kambu + Mera = Khmer) "เขมร"

[indrachit]

It is clear that you are an expert on Cambodian history, therefore, I will leave you to this as it will be useful for other readers and for me. I can only touch the area that I am familiar with on Khon and Thai dancing. Please bring on more information on Khmer history, I will bookmark on them if you don't mind :-)

[edelseth]

As you can see, Indian influence came to Cambodia via the Kambojas migration to suvarnaphumi "สุวรรณภูมิ" an ancient Khmer term of their country which means 'golden land' and also a name of a modern airport in Bangkok replacing Don Meuang!

[indrachit]

I would like to add to your point that Indian influence also came to this region not only through Cambodia although large proportion did. And if the ancient Khmer called their empire as "Suvarnabhumi", I guess it is appropriate to name the new airport likewise as Thailand is geographically in the centre of the Indo-China Peninsular and the ancient Khmer Empire as the Khmer Empire proundly named their Kingdom.

[indrachit]

So, it might be worthwhile to share information. Who knows, may be one day some new historical evidence might be found and we may learn something new.

[edelseth]

...how can that be when Khmer is at least 1000 years older starting from Funan (1st century A.D.) then Chenla (A.D. 550)...not just from the Khmer empire at (A.D 802) for your information...the first Thai kingdom of Sukhothai started around (A.D. 1238)

[indrachit]

I cannot see that any of Cambodian Classical Dancing School would have claimed that those dancing piece, including the famous Apsara Dance was created by the two late Thai Grandmistresses which I believe it is rightly so as those dances were created in Cambodia. Therefore, if those critics who tried so hard to claimed that Siamese took all the cultures from Cambodian and demand for Thai to be openminded about this. I suggest that let's be very openminded about all the factual evidences.

[indrachit]

In fact, Khun Krue Lamoon Yamakupata (คุณครู ลมุล ยะมะคุปต์) and Khun Krue Lamom Isarangkul Na Ayutthaya (คุณครู ละม่อม อิศรางกูร ณ อยุธยา) and a few other Thai Classical Dancing teachers were invited to teach royal dancers at the Royal Cambodian Court and created numbers of dances while they were there.

[indrachit]

Mon, Chinese, Indian, Japanese, European, Arabian and even the Burmese and so on had all their shares! Putting in this way, In the last 200 years, there is no evidence that my great great great grandmasters and mistresses in Thai Classical Dance were neither Cambodian nor learnt how to dance in Cambodia.

[indrachit]

Critics and Scholars still debate about how Khon performance in our Ayutthaya would have looked like because there is not any concrete evidence left after Ayutthaya was sacked by the Burmese other than a few lines in historic journal of a few western visitor s to the Kingdom of Ayuddhaya. Therefore, do not presume that everythings that made up the Thai Culture derived from Cambodia. Khmer are not the only culture inspired the evolution of Siamese culture.

[edelseth]

If you look at the map of the greatest extent of the Khmer Empire and sphere of influence, it encompasses present-day Thailand, Laos, Southern Vietnam and most of the Malay peninsula. It is not surprising that Thai and Lao culutures share similarity with Khmer. Of course, there are other cultures which absorbed into Thai later on. Even current Khmer has many Thai influences.

[indrachit]

I filmed this video myself and I don't speak Cambodian. I don't know what part of it is Cambodian. I admit that King Sampraya of Ayutthaya Kingdom may had had sacked the Khmer Phrea Nakorn and invited many scholars and artists to Siam and King Prasarttong did just the same almost 200 yeas later. Unfortunately, I was not born in time to be able to point out what kind of art and culture Siamese took from the Great Khmer Empire and how they looked like.

[indrachit]

The Grandmaster Aram firstly passed on the Krao Hok Si Tid to his son, the late Master Iyares Indaranat (คุณครูไอยเรศ อินทรนัฏ) for performing as the Demon Suriyapob (สุริยาภพ). This particular dance of Rua-Sam-La Suriyapob has no other relations to Krao Hok Si Tid other than the character and his fierce characteristic.

[indrachit]

This Dance is one of many new creations by Master Rakob Bhodives (คุณครู ราฆพ โพธิเวส) , National Artist. The dance was inspiered by "Krao Hok Si Tid" (กราวหอกสี่ทิศ) or "Four Direction Spear Battle Preparation Dance" which was created by the Grandmaster Aram Indaranat (คุณครู อร่าม อินทรนัฏ), who was one of the most acclaimed Demon character dramatic artist.

[numb22211]

ชอบนาฎศิลป์มากค่ะ =)

[edelseth]

"๐๑๒๓๔๕๖๗๘๙" เลขสิบตัวนี้มีแต่ไทยและเขมรเท่­านั้นที่ใช้เหมือนกันในโลกรวมทั­้งอักษรธรรมเนียมและประเพณีอีกม­ากมาย...เราคนไทยและเขมรต้องเรี­ยนรักกันด้วย! ;-)

[indrachit]

อ้าว แล้วลาว กับล้านนา ใช้ตัวเลข 0123456789 หรือครับ ไม่ยักกะรู้

[indrachit]

อ้าว แล้วลาว กับล้านนา เนี่ยใช้ 0123456789 หรือครับ ไม่ยักกะรู้

[edelseth]

In this internet age...and not aware of the history and physical type of writings and numerals of the adjacent ASEAN countries is quite bizarre...Thai and Khmer are 100% identical...and Laotian numberals only 1,4,5 like Thai and Khmer...

[indrachit]

Thanks edelseth for enlightening me on numbers issue. Do not get mad when you come across such ignorant person in having knowledge over neighbouring states like myself. Not all is knowlegeble like you. It is taught in Primary school in thailand that Thai character derived from Khmer with modification by King Ramkamhang of Sukhothai. And although our spoken Thai language is ethnically authentic, we do borrowed many vocabs from Khmer as the Thai tribe was ruled by the Khmer empire.

[edelseth]

ใครก็รู้ว่านาฏศิลปไทยได้มาจากเ­ขมรที่มีมาหลายพันปีตั้งแต่สมัย­พระมหานคร เราคนไทยไม่ต้องไปโกหกชาวโลกและ­ลูกหลานของเรา...พวกเขาควรรู้คว­ามจริง!

[indrachit]

เค้าเรียกว่า เมืองพระนคร ไม่ใช่หรือครับ แล้วก็อาณาจักรเขมรเนี่ยะ มันเพิ่งเริ่มเมื่อ พุทธศตวรรษ ๑๒ (สมัยพนมดา) แล้วมันจะหลายพันปีได้ยังไงเนี่ ย

[indrachit]

สมัยเมืองพระนคร เริ่มเมื่อพุทธศตวรรษที่ ๑๕ และล่มสลายเมื่อศตวรรษที่ ๑๘ คิดว่าลูกหลานของเราควรรู้ความจ­ ริงบ้างแล้วนะครับ

[indrachit]

แล้วที่ว่าใครก็รู้ว่านาฏศิลป์ไ­ ทยได้มาจากเขมรนั้น ก็อยากรู้ว่าใครบ้างที่รู้

[indrachit]

จะได้ถามว่า มีบันทึก หรือจารึก ที่เป็นหลักฐานทางประวัติศาสตร์ บ้างหรือไม่ หรือว่าจะเป็นแค่เรื่องเล่าเหมื อนที่เขมรเค้าบอกว่า กษัตริย์มีเชื้อสายมาจากพญานาค

[wiyasakama]

นาฏศิลปเขมรก็ได้มาจากไทยนี่แหล­ะครับ

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[tamacuboys]

คำเตือน ทุกครั้งที่คุณโพสต์การแสดงที่เ­กี่ยวข้องกับนาฏศิลป์ทุกรูปแบบ คุณจะถูกแสดงความคิดเห็นอย่างหย­าบคายจากผู้ชมที่ยกย่องว่าวัฒนธ­รรมของตนเอง(เขมร)ดี

[rpornngam]

สวยจัง แสดงดีมาก ขอบคุณที่นำวีดีโอดีดี มาลงนะครับ