It's so sad Jephthah's daughter has no name. I knew the story of Isaac but not this. This... this is just beyond inhumanly cruel. Especially the bit about how God apparently likes the smell of burning flesh.
For those that may say, well, that was the Old Testament, please see; Hebrews 11:32, where Jephthah is called a Prophet who, "through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice", bla, bla, baby killer, bla, bla, etc.
He made a vow to God and kept it. Oh and by the way the story of Abraham and Issac is different in that God told Abraham to sacrifice Issac to test him. In this story a promise is made. Totally very different.
@whinda4702 So YHVH is cool with human sacrifice as long as it's someone else's idea? And of course it is much better to murder your child than risk divine wrath for your own stupidity.
@TheMudbrooker The fact is he made a rash oath without thinking and paid the price. This is why people should think before they speak espically to God. Peace to you.
@whinda4702 Jephthah paid the price? It was his daughter that bore the cost of his vow. What kind of parent would sacrifice his child in order to save himself rather than accept punishment for his foolishness?
@whinda4702 what punishment? he basked God to deliver him in battle, and God granted him the victory, if God had a problem with him fighting then God would've never let him win, as in the case of balaam in the book of Numbers, God was asked to put a curse on the isrealites so that they would get of the land of balak, God had a problem with that so he denied balak and balaam, in the case of jepthah God approved jepthah and made him win, he had no problem with the girl's sacrifice
@zipitup75 God would have granted him the victory anyway but he decided to make a rash oath and chose to keep it. God never required,demand or accepts human sacrifice. it was Jephthahs choice to keep his oath not Gods. God can not be bribed.
@whinda4702 i know he made a rash decision, but i'm saying God should've corrected him then and there, because in a way that was blasphemy to promise God a human sacrifice, he stopped balaam and balak in the book of numbers when they were making rash decisions, but whats eating at me is the fact that God held up his end of the bargain otherwise jepthah would've lost, so God was ok with the sacrifice, and thanks for being honest by not saying she was made a nun, instead of a sacrifice
@zipitup75 What I'm tring to say is the victory would have happened because it was Gods will, no matter what Jephthah did or said. God does what He wills regardless of anything else. Also keep in mind that swearing an oath in those days was much more serious than we take it now. people have free will and he chose to keep his oath. Also let me ask you, because it seems that you are on the fence of belief, are you trying to learn and believe in Christ, because that's what it sounds like to me.
@whinda4702 you're not getting the point, i'm saying God should've stopped him just like he stopped balaam but he didnt, why is that?, balak sent balaam to curse the isrealites and God intervene and violated balaams free will, by putting an angel in his path, Jepthah made a stupid decision and his daughter paid the price, why did God allow him to kill her, what about what he said in ezekiel 18, i'll paraphrase, God said the child will not suffer from the parents mistakes {continue}
@whinda4702 so why did God allow him to sacrifice her in his name, and another thing in the book of hebrews jepthah is called a hero, meaning he did right by God, yes i'm on the fence with christianity, ive been a christian since i was 5 years old i'm 26 now, that 21 years, so i got myself a bible and starting reading it and asking preacher to help me worship God with all my heart and all i got was lies, i believe in God not the bible, man has corrupted that book so many times
@whinda4702 i read the NIV, the new world translation, and the amplified, it is corrupt and has alot of contradiction, why does some parts of the bible argues against it self, one example, in the book of psalms chapter 51, david said we are sinners from birth, and in the new testament jesus said all children are innocent/sinless, in romans paul said because Adam sinned all were made sinners, then in Ezekiel God said the fathers(Adam) sin will have no affect on the child, so....
@zipitup75 Please give me the chapter and verse for the quote by Jesus and I believe the amplified bible is a paraphrased version which makes for murky reading.I read the king james and the new king james and I also like the esv. There should be no contradiction in any bible. SOme of the newer bibles are suspect and used to fit peoples personal theology. Such as at a gay accepting church you will not find the above mentioned bibles, do you know what I mean? The esv is one of the best.
@whinda4702 he didnt say the exact words i was paraphrasing, but he made it clear that children were holy and sinless, because of these scriptures Matthew 18:3,
Matthew 19: 13-14, Mark 9:37,Mark 10:13-15, and Luke 18:15-16, if baby's and or children were sinners from birth as psalms 51 says why would jesus use a child as an example of holiness is psalm 51 clearly say we are sinners from birth, i guess i'm gonna have to buy the esv then
@zipitup75What is being said here is not that the children are sinlessbecause we are all born with sin. What is being said is the children are only children and they do not sin on purpose like we do in a premeditated sense.That is why when children die before they are able to make a decision for Christ they go to heavenbecause this is what God chooses to do.We are to become believers and be dependant like children on Christ that is the point.We are t becomes as babesinnocent in an earthly sense
never heard this one in sunday school. but i heard the one where god stops issacs death i zillions times to show gods mercy and how loyal we should be to god. hmmmm
Thank you Mudbrooker for more good news from a loving and forgiving God. Just think, Christians make fun of other pagan religions. The best thing you can take from reading the bible is don't believe everything you read in books.
I decided to do something bright and cheery for the holidays. ; )
Seriously though, while it's unlikely that Jephthah actually existed, the story of a local warlord sacrificing a girl to celebrate a victory rings pretty true.
What a sad, and sick story that is told in the bible. I might take to reading this book. I love watching the videos that you put up. I hope to see more from you soon.
I've heard a lot of sermons in my time and the only one where this was the main theme was when the preacher tried to spin this story as an example of god's infinate mercy because he allowed Jephthah to kill his daughter in order to redeem his vow.
I've heard it that since there wasn't a passage following that explicitly states "And then Jeptha sacrificed her as a burnt offering" that obviously he didn't and that the god made the sacrifice be that she remained a virgin forever.
When I kindly pointed out that it clearly states "that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed" and that the fact that it is followed by "and she knew no man" doesn't change the previous sentence.
I've heard a similar arguement; by latching onto the phrase "And it shall be the lord's" the apologist claimed that she was given into service of the tabernacle, essentually becoming a nun.
Of course the problem with that is women weren't allowed to serve in the tabernacle, the closest she could come was to be a Levite's wife which was not the case. And like you said, it clearly states Jephthah did with her according to his vow.
I just love watching literalists have fits over this passage!
It's so sad Jephthah's daughter has no name. I knew the story of Isaac but not this. This... this is just beyond inhumanly cruel. Especially the bit about how God apparently likes the smell of burning flesh.
Kooshmeister3 6 days ago
I never thought of that why not mentioned of the daughter's name?
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1. No where does it say that Jeff actually burned her
2. No where does it say that God needed or wanted the vow.
3. No where does it say that she bewailed her death but rather her virginity
4. There are several reasons that prove that Jeff couldnt have burned her.
5. But he did offer her into service of the Lord
6.The woman lamented which has the connotation that they praised and celebrated her 4x /year.
j919or 3 months ago
For those that may say, well, that was the Old Testament, please see; Hebrews 11:32, where Jephthah is called a Prophet who, "through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice", bla, bla, baby killer, bla, bla, etc.
JimmieHiggins 1 year ago
@JimmieHiggins Thanks for the reminder, I knew Jephthah was given a positive mention in the New Testament but I couldn't remember where.
TheMudbrooker 1 year ago
Too bad we can't suicide bomb heaven.
OrangeOceanOctopus 1 year ago
He made a vow to God and kept it. Oh and by the way the story of Abraham and Issac is different in that God told Abraham to sacrifice Issac to test him. In this story a promise is made. Totally very different.
whinda4702 1 year ago
@whinda4702 So YHVH is cool with human sacrifice as long as it's someone else's idea? And of course it is much better to murder your child than risk divine wrath for your own stupidity.
TheMudbrooker 1 year ago
@TheMudbrooker The fact is he made a rash oath without thinking and paid the price. This is why people should think before they speak espically to God. Peace to you.
whinda4702 1 year ago
@whinda4702 Jephthah paid the price? It was his daughter that bore the cost of his vow. What kind of parent would sacrifice his child in order to save himself rather than accept punishment for his foolishness?
TheMudbrooker 1 year ago
@TheMudbrooker He should have taken the punishment that is the point.
whinda4702 1 year ago
@whinda4702 what punishment? he basked God to deliver him in battle, and God granted him the victory, if God had a problem with him fighting then God would've never let him win, as in the case of balaam in the book of Numbers, God was asked to put a curse on the isrealites so that they would get of the land of balak, God had a problem with that so he denied balak and balaam, in the case of jepthah God approved jepthah and made him win, he had no problem with the girl's sacrifice
zipitup75 1 year ago
@zipitup75 God would have granted him the victory anyway but he decided to make a rash oath and chose to keep it. God never required,demand or accepts human sacrifice. it was Jephthahs choice to keep his oath not Gods. God can not be bribed.
whinda4702 1 year ago
@whinda4702 i know he made a rash decision, but i'm saying God should've corrected him then and there, because in a way that was blasphemy to promise God a human sacrifice, he stopped balaam and balak in the book of numbers when they were making rash decisions, but whats eating at me is the fact that God held up his end of the bargain otherwise jepthah would've lost, so God was ok with the sacrifice, and thanks for being honest by not saying she was made a nun, instead of a sacrifice
zipitup75 1 year ago
@zipitup75 What I'm tring to say is the victory would have happened because it was Gods will, no matter what Jephthah did or said. God does what He wills regardless of anything else. Also keep in mind that swearing an oath in those days was much more serious than we take it now. people have free will and he chose to keep his oath. Also let me ask you, because it seems that you are on the fence of belief, are you trying to learn and believe in Christ, because that's what it sounds like to me.
whinda4702 1 year ago
@whinda4702 you're not getting the point, i'm saying God should've stopped him just like he stopped balaam but he didnt, why is that?, balak sent balaam to curse the isrealites and God intervene and violated balaams free will, by putting an angel in his path, Jepthah made a stupid decision and his daughter paid the price, why did God allow him to kill her, what about what he said in ezekiel 18, i'll paraphrase, God said the child will not suffer from the parents mistakes {continue}
zipitup75 1 year ago
@whinda4702 so why did God allow him to sacrifice her in his name, and another thing in the book of hebrews jepthah is called a hero, meaning he did right by God, yes i'm on the fence with christianity, ive been a christian since i was 5 years old i'm 26 now, that 21 years, so i got myself a bible and starting reading it and asking preacher to help me worship God with all my heart and all i got was lies, i believe in God not the bible, man has corrupted that book so many times
zipitup75 1 year ago
@zipitup75 what bible do you read any why is it corrupt?
whinda4702 1 year ago
@whinda4702 i read the NIV, the new world translation, and the amplified, it is corrupt and has alot of contradiction, why does some parts of the bible argues against it self, one example, in the book of psalms chapter 51, david said we are sinners from birth, and in the new testament jesus said all children are innocent/sinless, in romans paul said because Adam sinned all were made sinners, then in Ezekiel God said the fathers(Adam) sin will have no affect on the child, so....
zipitup75 1 year ago
@zipitup75 Please give me the chapter and verse for the quote by Jesus and I believe the amplified bible is a paraphrased version which makes for murky reading.I read the king james and the new king james and I also like the esv. There should be no contradiction in any bible. SOme of the newer bibles are suspect and used to fit peoples personal theology. Such as at a gay accepting church you will not find the above mentioned bibles, do you know what I mean? The esv is one of the best.
whinda4702 1 year ago
@whinda4702 he didnt say the exact words i was paraphrasing, but he made it clear that children were holy and sinless, because of these scriptures Matthew 18:3,
Matthew 19: 13-14, Mark 9:37,Mark 10:13-15, and Luke 18:15-16, if baby's and or children were sinners from birth as psalms 51 says why would jesus use a child as an example of holiness is psalm 51 clearly say we are sinners from birth, i guess i'm gonna have to buy the esv then
zipitup75 1 year ago
@zipitup75What is being said here is not that the children are sinlessbecause we are all born with sin. What is being said is the children are only children and they do not sin on purpose like we do in a premeditated sense.That is why when children die before they are able to make a decision for Christ they go to heavenbecause this is what God chooses to do.We are to become believers and be dependant like children on Christ that is the point.We are t becomes as babesinnocent in an earthly sense
whinda4702 1 year ago
never heard this one in sunday school. but i heard the one where god stops issacs death i zillions times to show gods mercy and how loyal we should be to god. hmmmm
B4mytyme 2 years ago
Yeah, it's pretty hard to put a happy face on this story so most preachers just leave it alone.
TheMudbrooker 2 years ago
This one does tend to get swept under the rug a lot.
TheMudbrooker 2 years ago
There seems to be a lot of sacrificing of women and children in the OT.
Jephthah, Abraham, the Levite from Judges 19, Lot, not to mention the wholesale slaughter of women and children, or enslavement, from other areas.
Ah, makes ya' wanna go back to the 'good ol' days', don't it.
irreverentreverend 2 years ago
The women back then must 've spent most of their time looking over their shoulders!
TheMudbrooker 2 years ago
Thank you Mudbrooker for more good news from a loving and forgiving God. Just think, Christians make fun of other pagan religions. The best thing you can take from reading the bible is don't believe everything you read in books.
Dwicker64 2 years ago
I decided to do something bright and cheery for the holidays. ; )
Seriously though, while it's unlikely that Jephthah actually existed, the story of a local warlord sacrificing a girl to celebrate a victory rings pretty true.
TheMudbrooker 2 years ago
Jepthah was a twit. Who did he think was going to come out of his house? A goat? Sheesh, stupid bible.
AuntieDiluvian 2 years ago
Maybe he was hoping it would be that manservant who'd been eyeing up his daughter.
TheMudbrooker 2 years ago
What a sad, and sick story that is told in the bible. I might take to reading this book. I love watching the videos that you put up. I hope to see more from you soon.
KeitaroCoS 2 years ago
Just don't read the bible before bedtime, it might give you nightmares!
TheMudbrooker 2 years ago
You inspired me to go and look up some of the apologetics on this case. Pretty silly attempts to play this little ditty down.
ozmoroid 2 years ago
I've heard a lot of sermons in my time and the only one where this was the main theme was when the preacher tried to spin this story as an example of god's infinate mercy because he allowed Jephthah to kill his daughter in order to redeem his vow.
No shit.
TheMudbrooker 2 years ago
I've heard it that since there wasn't a passage following that explicitly states "And then Jeptha sacrificed her as a burnt offering" that obviously he didn't and that the god made the sacrifice be that she remained a virgin forever.
When I kindly pointed out that it clearly states "that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed" and that the fact that it is followed by "and she knew no man" doesn't change the previous sentence.
HumanisticJones 2 years ago
I've heard a similar arguement; by latching onto the phrase "And it shall be the lord's" the apologist claimed that she was given into service of the tabernacle, essentually becoming a nun.
Of course the problem with that is women weren't allowed to serve in the tabernacle, the closest she could come was to be a Levite's wife which was not the case. And like you said, it clearly states Jephthah did with her according to his vow.
I just love watching literalists have fits over this passage!
TheMudbrooker 2 years ago
The inventors of the Bible were such a nasty, bloodthirsty lot ;P
musekiteer 2 years ago
Yes indeed.
TheMudbrooker 2 years ago