!What are you saying is "We are Stupid" Many people in poor communities cannot afford a decent education or don't have access to it. They can't help being uneducated.
Many people in the Western world had a good education and many privileges and yet they are still IGNORANT! SHUT THE FUCK UP!
If you can't stop people from having babies, then why bother? Let pop rise naturally, embrace the natural increase of humanity, warn people of contraceptive side effects and not to use any means of "birth control."
Natural pop growth is not the problem, but rather poverty promoted by corrupt govs, fiat paper currencies, and even the distractions from reform of rampant pushing of shoddy Big Pharma contraceptives.
We let people eat, so let babies come out from between their legs.
If you can't stop people from having babies, then why bother? Let pop rise naturally, embrace the natural increase of humanity, warn people of contraceptive side effects and not to use any means of "birth control."
Natural pop growth is not the problem, but rather poverty promoted by corrupt govs, fiat paper currencies, and even the distractions from reform of rampant pushing of shoddy Big Pharma contraceptives.
We let people eat, so let babies come out from between their legs.
If you can't stop people from having babies, then why bother? Let pop rise naturally, embrace the natural increase of humanity, warn people of contraceptive side effects and not to use any means of "birth control."
Natural pop growth is not the problem, but rather poverty promoted by corrupt govs, fiat paper currencies, and even the distractions from reform of rampant pushing of shoddy Big Pharma contraceptives.
We let people eat, so let babies come out from between their legs.
@pronatalist We we can't stop it, unless someone stops it. All it requires is 1 person, 1 person to enforce his idea, and for people to who have the option follow him. This problem isn't impossible to fix, its hard---but not impossible. I agree with you. 'No birth control'. In the past I have been continuously saying 'the world isn't unlimited' and nothing is going to change that. Even if we have the best gov't in the world, the best people, it is still inadequate to fix poverty.
You agree with me? That people ought to not use any "birth control?" Or to at least have that right? You didn't agree before with me? So why the change now?
I don't want the natural human pop expansion to stop, but welcome pop to go on growing and growing.
The world isn't unlimited? But the planet is indeed huge. By allowing world pop to freely grow denser and denser, there can be found, or made, place for all our progeny well into the foreseeable future
I have a question, if there where only say, 1 million people in the world today, with todays technology and know how, do you think there would be lack of food? Lack of shelter? Lack of space?
I dont think so!
And also, as much as you say that people should be able to choose to have their child and not USE birth control, then shouldnt that way of thinking apply the other way where people who WANTS to use birth control should be able to use it? Its not like people...
1 million people would not be better off, than today's "burgeoning billions" 7 billion+.
What hypothetical shall we use? Let's say aliens took most all the people away, to move them to a more suitable planet, or planets let's say, for suitable presumably, for our "huge" pop size, and left 1 million behind. Maybe they said, they like earth, refuse to leave?
That way, we won't have to bury 7 billion bodies.
What a disaster! Technology would fall apart so fast, what to do?
Who would repair the power plants? Who would arrange for the coal shipments?
Most people, in developed countries, have forgotten how to live off the land, and would they figure it out fast enough? Machines and technology would break down, cars and trains stop running, because Where are the people who know how to operate and fix all these machines? With no electricity, your refrigerator won't stay cold, have to throw out food.
And how many people might be unhappy, having lost their friends and relatives? Of course, in the suggested scenario, that might be a reason so many people also decided to leave, didn't want to get left behind, so maybe the one's who stayed behind, didn't have much family, and thought maybe they could make new friends.
But if the people are widely scattered, and cars no longer run, roads are falling apart, is walking and horse, going to allow you to even reach many people?
...are forced to use birth control,...or are they in the Philippines?...
What is it that you think is so scary and wrong with birth control, and dont say GOD this and GOD that....I want a really NON FAITH based reason for not having condoms around in the world.....
Reasons not to use condoms, which don't seem to be too much rooted in faith:
poor fit, dulling of sensation, semen backpressure, multiple "failure" modes, expense for a 1-use device, allergic to latex, wife wants more babies, love for children, desire for farmhands to help out, old age security, children are only wealth of the poor, children maybe can go to work - bring home a little money for the poor family, no automatic furnace in hut so more bodies in bed help keep warm
So why do I keep hearing of some Reproductive Bill, that sounds like some immoral subsidies for contraceptives? Who's going to pay taxes to pay for this? People struggling to provide for their own growing families? Why should they pay to deny other people their children? That's COERCION against having children. Why not subsidies for things more pro-life then, like making sure all medical clinics have plenty of well-baby delivery kits?
Don't think I am recommending "natural" methods either, as those also seek to deny the natural spread of human life. And natural methods have issues of having enough will-power.
Some say pulling out doesn't work, because precum oozes long before ejaculation, and each drop can contain 50,000 sperm. Often there is more than a few drops. Sometimes guy loses control and blows entire load.
But natural is less side effects, doesn't fund anti-life interests. And no expense.
Rhythm probably doesn't work so well, in little 1-room shacks, for there is no place to be away from one's spouse during the most fertile time of the month, so of course they are still going to engage in sexual intercourse. No hiding a throbbing erect penis. Procreating babies is the NATURAL remedy.
No, the "no method" method is the most natural method of "family planning," and there is a long list of compelling reasons to let families grow naturally, possibly quite large.
The world is full of lies. Let God be true, and let all men be liars, doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible?
Nature is resilient. The planet can much more easily bear the rising human pop "pressure," than people can be expected to struggle against nature to "control" their fertility. It's not "selfish" to have "too many" children, but rather one of the most generous things we can do, to add more precious human lives to the world.
It's not due to lack of resources. There's plenty of resources for everybody in the world to have a mansion. No, it's the selfish misuse of resources, gov corruption, selfishness, economies rigged to deny access to everybody.
Not even our evil schemes to kill off the poor, can end poverty. For poverty isn't even of permanent classes anyway, yet another lie. Poor can become rich, and foolish rich can lose their wealth
World could conceivably grow very populous, but w/o the poverty
Or did you agree with me that regions of the world are growing, in human numbers, without use of much "birth control," that human pops are expanding, "out of control?" Although humans should alter nature to make way for our growing numbers, I do not believe every aspect of nature need be so controlled, and that our baby booms should be welcome to expand freely, even "wildly" "out of control," because more and more people would be glad to live.
It's wonderful news, if The Philippines is indeed having a Baby Boom. By growing denser with people, country helps planet to hold lots more people. People, even more people, are a great asset to a country, especially if they can ever manage to get somewhat better gov. Growing far more populous, ought not to be thought a liability, but rather, great "progress" for the human race.
Libs would cringe, at thought people should have less sex? So let "baby after baby" come alive then,duh
Pop control freaks tell us only option, is their way, tyranny against families, enforce smaller family size. But what is that really? Evil eugenics, class warfare, turn everybody against their neighbor?
Expose their lies, there's a far better option - grow naturally. So what, if planet grows denser with people?, let it happen, for it's impossible for human numbers to outpace so many means available to ADAPT.
Contraceptives have side effects, let families grow traditionally large!
@pronatalist We cannot overflow our country. Trash, crime, and corruption will only increase. If i mean, if it does overgrow the proportion of the country itself--where will the people go. Another country cannot accept the loads of people, where will we get the water, what will we eat, where will we live, how will we survive? Its only common sense to predict the future of baby boom. Its for the person to choose what they want, and I know the person will have the best in their heart...
Contraceptives have side effects and expense, and aim to deny the natural flow of human life. "Natural" methods require too much "self control." Married people have every right to simply let their families grow large naturally, unrestrained, and to take responsibility for however many children they may have. My point isn't so much to avoid "artificial" methods, but more so, to relax and let the human race grow naturally, encourage large families worldwide, let planet grow denser.
Why can't people "overflow" their countries? I read somewhere, The Philippines may double pop to 170 million in 30 years, obviously, a bit "dated" a prediction, as isn't the pop already over 100 million? Prove to me Philippines can't hold 170M? I think it can, and more!
Biblical example with Abraham and Lot's growing tribes, is to SPREAD OUT. But if frontiers are diminishing perhaps?, there's still 2 other perceptional dimensions to spread into: outwards, INWARDS, and UPWARDS.
I don't mean so much to think in terms of out-migration, as I can't think of many countries begging to take in 100s of millions of immigrants in addition to their own natural increase?, but more of letting pop density rise in all countries, all at the same time, working together for trade and common benefits, to grow denser globally
Where to get water? Water all around on the globe. Ocean water desalination plants. Where will we all live? Perhaps increasingly "everywhere,"wherever
I know The Philippines is already nearly as dense as India. But does that mean that parents shouldn't love their children anymore? Does that mean, that no means to grow further can be found? Of course not. Parents are obviously capable of procreating, even in crowded surroundings, and children would much rather be born into overcrowded communities or homes, than to not exist at all. So to blame "too many" births, is no reform at all.
I predict possible higher density, but then I stop. There's no proof it brings poverty nor misery, nor all that Malthusian gloom-and-doom nonsense. It merely means perhaps a more urbanized world, a world more filled with more people. If the Filipino pop grows someday very large for the land, then use technology and faith to expand infrastructure towards a very pop-efficient and modern country. It's no shame to have so many people, for as PM observed, it's happening to entire world.
Some pro-abort pamphlet I collected, criticized some pro-life leader's quote, that she said they are against all forms of contraception, except for rhythm, with an absurd question, "How dense can we get?" Well I agree, Yes, I am for higher density, so that we do still have a way to find or make place for all our progeny, no matter that so many billions are alive already.
Lower density may be good, if we could spread to more worlds. But we can't yet, and God commanded, we multiply.
You said that people should follow their own path, as long as it does not harm anybody. What does it harm me, if my many neighbors have big families? I don't think their children will be living in my house, well unless they flock in to play with my many children? They probably won't be into my yard, much? I know it makes my world grow denser, but I already said I'm fine with that, as it's the best option anyway.
More pop makes for better video game, books, etc., selection.
I believe individual people, deserve to have rights respected. I believe in individual rights and personal responsibility. Bible says, if a man will not work, neither should he eat. I don't believe this means to deny help to handicapped people, but people should not expect gov handouts nor entitlements. If they want wealth, let them work and save to earn it.
People have the right to exist, and the right to be poor. If they like to have shack overflowing with kids, it's their right
@pronatalist The issue here is the reply that u had just said: people are incapable of doing that, well most of them. The Bible? people should not be following a book for an answer, it should be him/herself. Look what that book has cause humanity--war, incompetence, intolerance, and hate. People should follow their own path, as long as it does not harm anyone. But if people continue to live in shacks, and flow and flow, how are its predecessors going to succeed.
People are incapable of doing what? Using "natural" methods such as rhythm or pulling out? That's a reason I don't expect them to, another reason I advocate the natural increase, welcome families to grow however large. Can a person be expected to stop breathing, for no good reason? Then why should people be expected to "control" the natural flow of babies pushing out of their bodies? Children are a blessing from God, so the more the better.
People should follow God's path. Who are the 10 Commandments for? For only good people? No, they are for everybody. Wicked countries get destroyed, because they refuse to abide by God's commandments.
We should expect children to "flow and flow" from poor people living in shacks, for humans enjoy being constantly "in hat," able to reproduce year round, and what real reason do they have, to deny the natural flow of human life?
Answer isn't to curb flow, but to expand human housing.
Contraceptives have side effects and expense, and aim to deny the natural flow of human life. "Natural" methods require too much "self control." Married people have every right to simply let their families grow large naturally, unrestrained, and to take responsibility for however many children they may have. My point isn't so much to avoid "artificial" methods, but more so, to relax and let the human race grow naturally, encourage large families worldwide, let planet grow denser.
The body is the temple of the soul. I do not believe in defiling the body with unneeded drugs, cigarettes, nor "birth control" chemicals or "pesticides." Aren't even some condoms coated with sperm-icide? Some guy trying to conceive a child, said sex natural rather than with a condom, is like having steak, rather than steak wrapped in a balloon. Yeah, why should real men be afraid of the real deal?
God will provide, and I don't believe we'll have time left to add many more billions
Sounds like you criticized people living in shacks, as too poor to have such big families? I disagree. What's our Western small-family alternative? Crush people under 30-year mortgages to have the bank repossess and leave them homeless, just as soon as some wicked administration crushes the economy and our jobs? Like that's more "civilized?"
Something wrong with an economy in which a man can't build his house in a year, or pay it off in 7.
@pronatalist I'm Filipino. I lived in environment such as this. One of my goals is to prevent this grievous situation. From experience Western life is so much better. Westerners is conceived by having things at hand, what do you think I feel, all Filipinos feel? We work harder, than Westerners, we don't depend on welfare, and such miracles of the gov't. We are aware of corruption in the Philippines, but the people aren't educated to revolt back. So what--Western Life is equal to ours? No!
Why do you think we Westerners, have it better? Sure, we may seem to have more material things, but too much is financed with unsustainable debt, and we are spiritually bankrupt. Our gov education is dumbed down, and too few people know to revolt, and usually those that do, are the leftist trouble-makers. Western culture is dying, we aren't having enough babies to replace ourselves, soon to be taken over by Muslims or our own corruption. Gov welfare traps us in poverty, dependence.
@pronatalist Westerners do have it better. That's a fact! Clean water, Food, and valuable materials. An article in Africa writes a description on how people would kill for water. Never in my life I would see that happening in Western Society. In the Philippines, some penniless and HOMELESS kids search in mountains of trash in their luck to find food for school. That brings me to my other point. Westerners take the matter of school for granted. Everything is easy for them...
You think Westerners have it better. But we have our problems too. I hear Americans are so mis-informed, uninformed, so gullible, and we are at serious risk of throwing all our prosperity away.
Everything is easy for us? Then why does America lead the world in incarcerations? Why are Americans losing their jobs and homes? We may have things somewhat easier, but NWO Satanists are sabotaging our economy, making things worse, while perhaps places like Philippines are getting better?
@pronatalist Say all you want. Westerners do have it better. Education that provides knowledge, but Westerners take it for granted. Addition to that we have access to the internet, a vast network which provides unlimited amount of information. Westerners are informed and gullible? I don't think so. Why is it a problem to risk throwing prosperity? Share it to countries less fortunate. You know why not?
Westerners have it somewhat better, for now? But because we lead the world, we are more a target for the devil, to destroy us. Maybe more Westerners are going to hell, than poor people, who tend to be more humble?
Yes, internet is very useful resource for truth and debate, so wicked politicians want "internet kill switch," to cut off flow of info to common people, in event of "crisis" or "false flag event" that politicians plan to cause. Internet helps us ADAPT to populous world.
I hear that America is a "has been" country, that our greatness, appears largely, to be IN THE PAST. Some warn that bad times, even food riots, may soon be coming to America? Our economy is falling apart, because of endless gov meddling, endless bailouts, loss of confidence, unsustainable debt, collapsing dollar. I want out, before it's too late, but nobody will tell me where to go or how, and is the whole world a mess, or mainly America is leading the mess?
@pronatalist I think I'm going for a break. Since you are hard headed to process your mind. I'm going to stop for a while, and I advice for you to do so too. If the world will be as populous as ever-I won't go on a rampage of mass murder, but educate the people that it is an issue. I understand people have the 'right to be poor'; the way I see it, I really don't care. Since poor people yearn for the path of wealth, its up to prosperous people to help them. Too bad they are selfish.
Remember, did I tell you, that the common people do not make the wars? It's criminal elitists who manipulate the people, for their globalist "utopia," NWO globalist empire ideas. Or their power lust and greed.
Like you said about yourself, common people, myself included, are unwilling to do anything to keep pop from going on rising. We celebrate births of our friends and relatives. Pop is an issue? Not of "controlling" births, but more populous world needs more toilets, more homes
Where have our rights, for Americans, gone? We can't be rich, and we can't be poor either? We aren't allowed to live in home without electricity or without water service? But our ancestors survived without all that modern stuff. They steal our wealth or force us to take gov handouts?
I see edu and internet, as tools to help world grow much more populous, but never for imposing birth "control" nor pop "control." We can keep having babies, but countries will have to hold MORE PEOPLE
I am hard-headed? No, I am correct. I wish more people would take the correct position, so that I need not be so persistent, and could talk about other things more. It's too much burden for me. You think I like being among the few correct people? God's prophets were accused of being too negative, because they couldn't be persuaded or bought off as the common gullible people could.
We prosperous people ARE HELPING, but gov is blocking reforms, prosperity, blocking job creation.
Ever hear of "Lifeboat Ethic?" It's criminal elitists who refuse to help, with their narrow anti-pop propaganda. According to Lifeboat view of world, helping the poor is counterproductive. If we give (or sell) to poor countries, medicine and food, we reduce infant mortality, we increase longevity, and encourage childbearing, all of which serve to grow them more "overpop." Can you see how my pronatalist view is far more productive? I already advocate denser world, so more pop is OK.
I refuse to accept "overpop" view, because it's counterproductive and a huge distraction from true needed reforms. Whatever is done to make world better, it had better accept a more populous world, as we may be headed that direction, regardless.
I tell the truth, that births may continue to naturally outpace deaths, that's what the people and parents want, but then to welcome our precious babies, more places may need to have many people, fewer places far away from lots of people?
I get so angry with foolishness of utopian and globalist ideas, and that of enviro-wackos. They push technologies and ideas that have no chance of working for the poor, nor of making housing affordable, nor of allowing wealth in the hands of productive people,to expand to create jobs
Some guy's video says they make for violence world, because a world of love, means BIGGER families. But a world of love, even with high pop levels, is the ideal, an easy and wonderful world to live in
It's good to have lower infant mortality, greater longevity (people living longer), and for increased childbearing to be encouraged (or allowed to occur). But this means, that births more easily outpace?, pop ACCUMULATES. Can you begin to see why I do not believe in imposing "birth control" nor pop "control?" Something has to give, and what must give, is the sparsely-populated world of the past. Modern world is POPULOUS, even sci-fi told us that. We must embrace truth to move on.
I feel held back by corrupt U.S. gov and sabotaged economy. I want to leave and get out of here, before it's too late.
Saw some YT video saying that powers-that-be, don't want us to love, for then families get bigger, but they promote death and violence and war. I don't really agree with that premise, for war doesn't "control" pop, as births come faster than deaths,regardless. Rather, it's corruption and greed, and rebellion against God's moral standards
@pronatalist Populous country is an example of disaster. When in times of storms or natural disaster, more people are starving, more people are KILLED. Even though, in times of amity crimes are occurring every second. How can you even say a more populous world is tranquil? As more people grow bigger, I really don't think people will help, rather than themselves. The way I predict is people will kill for a inch of food, a pint of water, and crimes will be tireless.
Populous country is not "bad." It's good that the people are becoming so many. More and more people would be glad to live, and most people want children. "Populous" is the natural result, and should be expected, not resisted.
Populous countries can have many benefits. If pop is very large, then a given number of refugees, is "smaller" and easier to absorb. Populous can mean, more options and more backup reserves, in a country that is moral.
@pronatalist Religion do cause war. Its their different ideas or beliefs that builds tension between them. George Bush even stated 'Holy War' against Islam. Peace is only achieved if we accept each other, and break the stereotypes, categorizing between each of us. In the past 100 years, millions of Jews and Armenians were victims of religious hate. The crusades were fought, because of obtaining the Holy Land. Eh! why? isn't sharing a better idea?
If proper sense of "community" is diminished in the huge city, then moral people of faith, Christians, should pray and seek to restore the proper sense of community and help and care for one another. High density shouldn't mean that people no longer matter. You can have many smaller "communities" or neighborhoods, even within the huge city or country. Large distance in between, isn't really necessary.
But Islam is a trouble-making religion, but if 9-11 was inside job, not so much?
Islam is about deception and lies, but if 9-11 was an inside job, then just how much are Muslims guilty then of causing the troubles, if NWO Satanist Masons were to blame for orchestrating 9-11? Is Islam an convenient scapegoat? That's why we need an honest investigation, and to find out, what really happened, so the evil-doers can finally be stopped. Islam is "bad," so America conveniently has to be world empire conqueror? Something doesn't quite compute there.
@pronatalist In times of troubles, I say "Why is there such a thing called Economy?" Then I think...economy is difficult to erase. Economy starts with the trading of items and so forth... Seriously, whoever created economy is such a bitch. But then if I wanted to make everything equal-I'm heading into communistic ideals, which I truly dislike. So here it is. Economy!
Communism has proved, again and again, to be such an evil lie. You think communists don't all the more, like to line their pockets with other people's wealth?
You can't simply blame "economy," for there will also be "economy" any time pops get large enough, that people want to trade. Far more wealth is produced, when people are allowed to profit, producing "excess" of things they are good at. Unfortunately, few are smart enough to be "jack of all trades," so then we must trade.
Don't you get it? We don't want everything "equal." That is evil. We aren't all the same. We don't all have the same interests. Why should I be forced to live in a big spacious mansion, if I don't want to do the work to earn it? Maybe I would rather have a new computer or a book, and leave that mansion to whoever owns it? Maybe I would rather work less
What we want, is to keep what's ours, and let the rich keep theirs. Get the politicians out of our pockets and out of our business
Didn't FDR say that we have the right of "freedom from want?" A moment's thought, should show that to be such a lie. Jason Lewis was talking about this, just the other day on the radio. For how can anybody have a "right" that denies other people their rights? Rights are God-given, and do not deny other people's rights. Why should somebody else have to work on your behalf, while you sit on your butt and refuse to work? Bible said, If a man will not work, neither should he eat.
I say, doesn't a man have a right, to be poor? This rampant socialism is so unfair. If you are "too rich," whatever rich elite politicians deem "too rich?," then they take it upon themselves to "redistribute wealth," and somehow, most of it gets squandered and wasted in "pay to play" and favoritism, crony capitalism, business opportunities dry up and leave the country, and the poor get poorer.
If you are poor, why are you expected to take gov handouts? Where's the jobs?
Pop growth does not equal disaster, but is a potent measure, that people are indeed doing something right. Don't they say that "Love makes the world go round?" Love helps a populous world ADAPT, and strong families are the basic building blocks of society. Healthy families makes for healthy communities and a better world.
I don't believe their evil anti-pop propaganda, there are reforms and solutions, but evil people gum up the works.
@pronatalist I am an athiest, but I am a follower of the 'right to religion'. My comment below/above is a description of how I believe people should follow his own path. Just to clear things up, I am the most accepting person you'll ever met and I am in no such way in contrary of religion.
You say you are for "right to religion?" But "religion" is a leading reason for families possibly growing large. Most religions seem to still promote the natural, and possibly large, family growth. So are you still for "right to religion" in that regard?
I am also very "accepting" in some matters, such as being a pro-lifer, I'm completely okay with families growing naturally, or "wildly out of control." I'm sure their reasons for procreating so many babies, are plenty good enough.
In debating the pop issue, I've even had some claimed-atheist tell me he's okay with letting pop grow, as it would be good for the progress of humanity. There's so many reasons that can be thought of, why letting human pops expand, really is for the good.
The Bible did not cause those problems. #1 cause of unnatural death is gov,150 million murdered by their own govs! What about Catholic Spanish Inquisition? Catholic Church opposed people to read own Bible,practice their own faith
If you can't stop people from having babies, then why bother? Let pop rise naturally, embrace the natural increase of humanity, warn people of contraceptive side effects and not to use any means of "birth control."
Natural pop growth is not the problem, but rather poverty promoted by corrupt govs, fiat paper currencies, and even the distractions from reform of rampant pushing of shoddy Big Pharma contraceptives.
We let people eat, so let babies come out from between their legs.
If you can't stop people from having babies, then why bother? Let pop rise naturally, embrace the natural increase of humanity, warn people of contraceptive side effects and not to use any means of "birth control."
Natural pop growth is not the problem, but rather poverty promoted by corrupt govs, fiat paper currencies, and even the distractions from reform of rampant pushing of shoddy Big Pharma contraceptives.
We let people eat, so let babies come out from between their legs.
@riteaboutnow - Breeding is human nature, you can't stop people from having babies, poor or not, babies
are created through God's wish, wrong to control population growth, population must swell for the good of mankind, government to blame for people staying poor, share the wealth with all, not a small few. stoppping
inevitable births does not stop poverty. Pro life is giving more birth, god's will to enable us to make many!!
Humans have no right to "control population," because that is tyranny. How do we dare pretend to know our neighbors well enough, to make claims that "other people" ought not to have so many children? And yet we continue to live and breathe and take up space? What hypocrisy!
Why not allow pop to expand naturally, even if "overwhelming?" More infrastructure is needed, there's your millions of jobs more.
I agree with TheIxtlan, world pop is growing, it's part of nature,God's design
Family planning is not about stopping couples from having children. Using contraceptives doesn't necessarily translate to good family planning. Contraceptives are just stopgap measures. The problem here is that people are not given enough information by the government to practice family planning using natural methods of birth control. Also the city of Manila is critically crowded. Gov't needs to have an urban planning solution. There are more problems here than just condoms. AlJazeera failed.
@brwncrss1 -Unrestrained birth is God's plan for human nature. Fornication and fucking, as you put it,
is a natural act of human interaction, the sole purpose of that act is to create more human life, it's not just for
pleasure, human sexual contact is for the goal of sperm fertilizing the egg to create a life. Any means to stop
that sacred union are seen as evil in God's eyes. Human population is destined to swell to extreme numbers. Let the earth busrt with relentless births!!
Poverty in the Philippines us caused by over-dependency on foreign jobs, allowing parents make bad decisions having many children they can't afford to support, or a product of unintended pregnancies knowing they're not using birth control courtesy of the Catholic church for interfering with government policies on family planning and limited jobs caused by this mindset due to bad governance.
This documentary shows the real problem in the country, incompetent officials making bad decisions and poor people don't have other alternatives but increase in numbers. The Philippine Constitution allowed this former Manila mayor to impose his own agenda to prevent needy people access to contraceptives, denying them human rights they truly deserve. Unfortunately, the Philippine government will always be full of incompetent officials due to years of cronyism and dysfunctional political dynasties
all they're doing is to reproduce and reproduce and then if they're starving,they will blame the government...stupid people they don't imagine that they are the reason why my fuckin' philippines is full of trash>>>(uneducated,stupid, and corrupt people).grrrrrrr!!!--BALLSACK!
The Philippines is no more of a Christian nation than Middle east nations. If the people here would get a clue as to what is going on here they might do o.k..
So what is your point? All countries are "shit" because moron voters vote for power-mad corrupt politicians. What isn't "shit?"
Family members are ungrateful, U.S. is going down the toilet because Americans are ungrateful to God for much of anything. So much political talk about "tax the rich," a surtax for rich people, and already the unappreciated rich people are leaving, easier to make money elsewhere than runaway taxes/regulations America.
Did you hear what she had said, "It is more sinful to have children, and not be able to provide for them". It is impossible to argue with this statement...
They say You can't stop people from having sex. Well especially married people, entitled in every way and with social expectation to be enjoying sex. Do you agree with this? Then how can you say that so many people should stop fucking? Would you suggest people stop breathing? It's the natural function of the human reproductive capability, to REPRODUCE. Withdrawal doesn't prevent oozing of precum which also contains sperm. Children are blessings, so have children, let many babies come
@pronatalist Hence why I said withdrawal is not always effective but I know from experience it helps. Sure sex is a natural thing, but we should be able to control ourselves better than the less intelligent animals and we know the consequences of sex. If I was unable to support a child I would take every precaution I could not to get pregnant, and like I said in my other post there are other ways to get sexual satisfaction without penetration.
We control ourselves by only having sex with the one to whom we are married to. Yes, the consequences of sex, is babies, a very practical and moral reason for faithful monogamy/marriage.
Withdrawal isn't always effective, a practical reason to not withdrawal, to enjoy the natural mating, and just let the entire ejaculate flow and spurt naturally, into the natural place where babies are made. If precum might cause the pregnancy anyhow, why not just welcome the blessings of children?
Other ways to get sexual satisfaction? Like what? The "outercourse" fooling around, that soon naturally leads to intercourse? I believe children are a blessing, and I do not believe in use of "birth control" nor imposing population "control" upon human beings, but rather I believe in the natural expectation of the old traditional natural increase of humanity.
The consequences is that we parents are to provide for and love any children who result, but no need to limit their numbers.
@pronatalist You don't believe in birth control? Even though we are extremely overpopulated, millions upon millions are starving and the earth is been destroyed by us, but you want even more people?
@22JaneDoe I've been arguing with this guy, "I think?" for over 3 months. Trust me, he does not care if the world is overpopulated, he does not care about the starving, and does not think pollution, and mass extinction is a problem. He only wants the world to be impossibly populated, to the point of infinity. So, there is no reasoning with this guy, but keep at him though. Plainly, he's ignorant and insane.
World is "overpopulated," compared to what? No, the world is nowhere near full of people. There's plenty of room for all the people there ever will be, well into the foreseeable future. But the days of a quaint sparsely populated world, are long gone. Let there come to be more places with lots of people and fewer places far from lots of people. How are people to have their precious darling babies, in a world of so many people already? Isn't it obvious? Explore how to grow denser.
@pronatalist I'm assuming you’re a guy. If you were a woman and you knew what it was actually like to be pregnant and give birth and YOU were made to have babies like piglets because your husband, on your logic is unable to control himself and just HAS to keep ejaculating inside you, you might think differently about birth control.
Many women also want big families. Haven't you heard any opinion regarding that some women don't want the burden of "family planning" either? Thinking was much different before the rebellious "Free Love" 1960s. People had children and didn't count the cost. Children didn't seem to cost much, before all the rampant gov socialism eroding away our purchasing power. (That there wasn't much "modern" stuff to buy may have helped a bit? People didn't have huge-screen TVs in every room.)
It's not so much about how much "control" the husband supposed has. But rather, children are a blessing, and real men should not need to fear impregnating their wives, because real men help out with the children and are proud to have big and functional families. Thus, there's practical reasons for not withdrawing, but simply continuing intercourse until the semen naturally starts spurting, the man naturally cumming inside his wife's baby hole. Occupied womb=most natural baby spacing.
if people are to have "choice" at all, then surely the "no method" method of "family planning," is not only a legitimate choice, but the most natural, and obedient-to-God choice. Some people may actually be open to the prospect of having big families.
What's the "ideal" or "optimum" pop size anyway? Small and pidly? No, the more people there are, the more people there are who can experience life. For most benefit for most people, = nearly as large as possible, or huge and dense pops
I've researched the secular magazines, and I don't agree with the humanistic, evolutionary-atheism mindset of their anti-life, anti-freedom opinions. Read some description of some mother, in Africa I think, with a baby on her back, a baby inside her belly, and a toddler following behind. Ping! Ping! Ping! Why the disrespect for people naturally growing their families? Quite many refuse to use condoms, because they want to get pregnant and they want children. So let babies push on out
Early withdrawal, even though supposed among the most natural of methods, has side effects. Not only does it prolong periods of high fertility, by seeking to hinder the body's natural efforts to get pregnant, increasing the prospect of "family planning" "failure," but trying to pull out on the very edge of cumming, causes frustration. Could quickly lead to intercourse again failing to achieve orgasm, then inability to time withdrawal again. And (expensive) condoms dull sensation.
I supposed multiple sessions of intercourse, brought on by early withdrawal frustration, could lead to partial ejaculations, even before the husband knows he is cumming? Wouldn't it be better to do like our more pro-life ancestors, and just let the semen flow as it will naturally, since children were usually welcome additions to the family anyway? Yeah, they had the no-sex and less-sex options. But those weren't really considered practical, so families were commonly naturally large.
@pronatalist Just stop. (Laughing) Who would listen to you? Overpopulation, does not depend on the size or density of a pop.(including ants), but the ratio of the pop. to available resources, unfortunately we don't have enough. According to research we disrupt the, ecosystem-human ratio, by controlling more than half of the land to agriculture, and living spaces.
Truth is, you don't have the right to talk. Well, for the most of us, "we know what poverty feels like!".
Actually, I posted on some Filipino? board, maybe 50? replies to question about hearing parents having sex, after somebody's comment about them being so populated, my thoughts to keep welcoming the natural unhindered natural increase of the people, a moderated board requiring every comment be approved, and sure enough, my comments appeared within days, and many of the participants seemed to have little or no objection to natural family growth.
So what board does have 94 million people? Twitter and Facebook combined, might not have that many? I saw somewhere there's now 98 million Filipinos, not counting those moved to other countries. Any board is a cross-section of pop, not even a good "representative sample." But so what? It's not a scientific vote, but a diverse variety of views. Face it, what populates the planet is extremely pleasurable. People will understandably defend right to reproduce, even to huge pop density.
What do you know about poverty? Apparently you have a computer, and probably quite many of those "wild" or natural human breeders, have no computer. So you aren't poor? Or are you going to tell me that you walked 50 miles to the big city, just to reply to me, via some internet cafe?
Half the land? I read somewhere agriculture only uses 11% of the land. Either way, so what? I've long defending allowing density to rise, even let city residential space spread into former farmlands.
@pronatalist I experienced poverty. My family immigrated to America when I was 12. I remember every moment, of my time living there. Fortunately, my parents works very hard, to make us live a better life.
You included the whole Earth, by adding the ocean water in your ratio. So, its about 40% of land we use on agriculture. The fact is, you just don't get. Do you know why I'm still arguing with you? Its because I get bored, and some dude told me, "I could use it to improve my reasoning skills".
No, I don't think so. Figure I saw, was 11% of the land. Of course, that figure is a bit old, perhaps it's now grown to 13 or 15%? More people does not necessarily mean more farmland, as farming methods and seeds used become more advanced and efficient. But it could be a possibility.
Read somewhere Americans don't think the planet is crowded, because the mouths our farmlands feed are far away in other countries. I have no objection to farms spreading to 40%, so many more can live.
There is enough resources, and we keep finding more, and ever finding more substitutes, but corrupt economic systems, and special-interest bribed/campaign contributions govs, hinder the proper economic development, keeping the people poor, and poor people seem to prefer breeding all the more
You are whining that humans are taking over and dominating nature too much? So the "new nature" is humanity? So much better for us humans. Babies want to come alive, even if into crowded lands
@pronatalist There's enough resources for what? For us to drain, and leave none for tomorrow. What's the point of us reproducing, if our future pop. have nothing left? What if we don't find substitutes? At least we have a back-up, so try 'thinking' for once.
Have you read my other comment? Maybe, not. Economists such as Thomas Howell, states that bad government and bad polices are only 'part' of the problem. "Only Part!". Still, they include a small amount of economists.
What's the point of us reproducing? Do I really need to give you the long list of good reasons? Because people want to. Because sex feels good. Because parents don't want to be told how many children they may have. Because people don't want to bother with awkward unnatural, costly "birth control." Even if future pops grow quite huge and dense, billions clever minds will indeed find plenty of substitutes and ideas how to better design for a "crowded" world. Ever hear of arcologies?
Bad gov and bad policies, are only part of the poverty problem? What do you want of me? You want me to write an entire book, explaining every minor detail? It's the main part of the problem. The world has places of high pop density, i.e. Hong Kong, that are prosperous, that actually do appear to work. Why doesn't it work everywhere? Because people are depraved/sinful, and everywhere doesn't have the same policies.
High pop is becoming "normal" to many people and they are ADAPTING.
@pronatalist Don't cry. At least you did your job, spreading God's words. Its just that, contraceptives appeals to more people, than having kids. You just have to accept the fact, that the world's fertility rate is slowing down. When India or the Philippines, soon become a developed country, "I'm sure there pop. growth will decrease", for example, 'Britain' during the industrial age. At this rate, by the year 2040, there is roughly 9 billion people in the Earth, or maybe smaller.
At least I did my job? So where's my benefit then? What country should I move to, where I can enjoy freedom? U.S. is no longer "the home of the free and the brave." We may have a lot of good people like that, but overall, we are no longer free.
How many countries now are in turmoil, people out in the streets, protesting corrupt gov? So what is wrong with us? Why not more Tea Party protests?
I look at country immigration websites, more bureaucracy, endless hoops to jump through.
@pronatalist I hate how religious-freaks like you push people into their religion, by also contradicting their religious beliefs, such as teaching of love, forgiveness, and acceptance. By saying something like, "you're going to burn", or "die unbeliever!". Its basically the same thing, as taking individual 'rights' away.
You say so much conspiracies, but yet you have nothing to support it. What do you propose? take economy away, and live like cavemans(which I solely agree, kind of).
How am I, or people like me, possibly "pushing" religion, if contraceptives ads don't push contraceptives? Seems like you are using selective reasoning there, not being objectively fair at all. If some "religious" people have the good news, doesn't our religious beliefs include the Great Commission to share the good news with the rest of the world? Or should be be shallow hypocrites?
Why do you lump us all together with one group,saying we all shout hell-brimstone,don't show love?
Obviously, we don't all evangelize the same way. Yes, there's a need for hell-brimstone preachers, because that's in the Bible. People need to know, that all is not heaven, but that people should be wary of "that other place," that even Jesus oft spoke of. Too many Churches are about fancy buildings, and some sort of circus entertainment show. Something's missing.
I don't have to support conspiracies, for you can google just like I can
@pronatalist For the last time, don't even bring up the word economy, because, first of all you do not know anything about it and from the looks of it, you prefer the term, 'communism', which you most likely prefer everything to go into equilibrium.
I suggest you watch, "Louie Theroux-Most hated family in America", because you most likely fit into their little society.
Please! Lay off the 1-page reply. I don't have time for such ridiculous responses.
KUNG MGA BLESSINGS ANG MGA BATA......MAHALIN NINYO; ARUGAIN; HUWAG HAYAAN LALABOY-LABOY SA DAAN NA WALANG SAPLOT SA KATAWAN; NAGNANAKAW AT SUMISINGHOT NG RUGBY! HUWAG NINYONG HAYAAN NA MAGUTOM DAHIL HINDI MATUTUWA ANG DIYOS SA PAGPA-PABAYA NINYO SA BLESSINGS NA INYONG NATAMO!
KAPAG TUNAY NA KAYAMANAN YAN MABUTI KUNG HINDI NINYO PAGKA-INGATAN......SIGURADO AKONG TAKOT NA TAKOT KAYONG MANAKAW. DIBA SABI NINYO NA ANG MGA ANAK AY KAYAMANAN? OH! ANG KAYAMANAN NINYO (MGA BATA) HUWAG NINYONG PABAYAAN NA GAGALA-GALA NA PARANG ASONG WALANG MAY-ARI SA LANSANGAN!
We can't take away economy. That makes no sense. Most humans can't be "masters of all trades." Some people do something better, some other people do some other thing better. Thus, from very early on, we have mutually-beneficial voluntary trade. Carrying around your barter chickens, isn't convenient, so we need a tradable currency that holds its value.
Rich elite globalists are using economic manipulation and tax policy to impose socialistic engineering and enslave the masses.
Get your head out of the matrix, study some "conspiracy theories," and find out the truth. About how a tiny group of evil elites, are harming the entire world and causing unneeded suffering. You don't see all the protests in how many countries?, of people upset with their corrupt govs?
Don't you even watch YouTube? I saw something about how the soon-to-come battle of Armageddon, has to occur, it's like some global revolution of the people against global tyranny. Interesting view.
I should have said, "untold suffering," as the mainstream misleadia, so-called news, has hardly been reporting the news acccurately at all. If they were, they would be calling the "black boxes" of crashed airplanes, orange boxes. They would go into an aside, about how The Fed is unconstitutional, every time The Federal Reserve is mentioned in the news. They would point out that shortly after the creation of The Fed, we had FDR's Great Depression.Economic manipulation=more Boom/bust
Contraceptives appeal to more people? That's because these days, so many "educated" people are selfish and gullible. What for, do you think I so want to warn people against the contraceptives? Contraceptives are a pandemic that is decimating the human pop. My how the devil and demons must be excited at all the people's lives they are destroying, the huge abortion holocaust to "correct" all the contraceptive "failures" that somehow slip by?
@pronatalist Your 'fucking' stupid. Do you know the 'major global impact', if the Amazon forest disappears? Its bad, that it constantly deteriorates every year. The Amazon forest is like the lungs of the Earth, 'its that powerful'. If it is destroyed completely, the oxygen supply would lessen. The indigenous people of this area, are placed on horrible camps, due to lose of habitat. Unfortunately, this is only half of the problem.
Increasing pop size, isn't just for the individual or family interest, but also serves the collective interests. The more of us there are, the more "collective" there is alive, to benefit. Surely the human race advances far more, by naturally burgeoning its pop size. How else could humans ever hope to advance technology to colonize more worlds, if ever, but by first increasingly "outgrowing" this one, to be "born" into a far better era.
You call me stupid, because you yourself have a small mind? I understand the pop situation far better than you.
I was just talking with somebody at a Church social activity, and he said the reason Israel is so much friendlier than America towards people having naturally-growing, possibly large families, is because they take seriously that thing in the Bible about Abraham's descendants, promised by God, will grow so uncountably numerous as the grains of sand or stars of the sky.
Don't you understand by now, that the only, and best answer, is that global pop density has to be allowed to naturally increase. There's but only so much land. Around 51 million square miles, not counting Antarctica. With now 7 billion of us, that works out to around 134/square mile, just under 5 acres per person. So where do we find room for all our progeny, perhaps yet to come? Simple, by living and reproducing in closer proximity to others, far more people can fit onto planet.
Of course, the first response to growing pop, would seem to be to spread out. But upon a spherical world of finite size, there's but so far we can spread out, before we run into ourselves again. But we can also grow together - denser, and we can stack people vertically into pop arcologies-vertical pop-efficient cities, or into highrises. So it's no shame for India or Philippines to have high or dense pop.Rather great honor,shows them doing their part to help planet hold more people
@pronatalist Well, what more could we do. People are only self-interested, caring more for their family(like what I am right now), instead of working for a global change, to corruption, destruction to plant-life and animals, etc. Sometimes, people don't know about what's happening, but those who do, just stand there, for we do not have any money.
Working for a global change? Why should such a change be global tyranny under Anti-Christ? When it could benefit so many more people, to have a globe much more densely and efficiently populated, so there could be found place, for everybody's precious and darling babies, no matter how many or few. Now if the frontiers are supposedly vanishing already, where do we put billions more? Simple. Where we always have. In between all the people already living. Let cities grow larger, closer
I do know what is happening. World is growing more alive with people, the devil just hates the image of God spreading, and wants to destroy us. For each person who dies, 3 more are born to replace him or her. People understandably don't want a higher death-rate, why lose people before it's their time, and before they can make their contributions to the world? We understandably don't want to reduce our numbers of joyous births. So we have to scoot over, build more cities, make room.
Some pop article I read some time ago, said that the numbers of women of childbearing age, is now higher than it has previously been, a major reason why there's so much pop increase. Supposedly, it's not so much anymore that we are having all that many children, but more like that there's just now so many people reproducing. Most everybody and their brother and sister, now grows up and has babies of their own.
Even libs would admit as pop grows, more people become sexually active.
@pronatalist I don't know why? but I just can't stand letting your mouth spur out ridiculous ideas. So you really think pop. is actually increasing and people are actually adapting? Well, its likely that you have a brain tumor to start with. According to world's population rate growth, western countries(not just the U.S., but countries in Europe) have a slow fertility growth. Even with the developing countries today, such as Indonesia, and other South Asian countries.
Yeah, the world is dying. While most people live where pops are growing, more and more countries are dipping below "replacement level" fertility, due to the rampant pushing of unnatural contraceptives. Why are we dying? Because of selfishness, turning away from faith in God, stupidity, communist indoctrination tools such as TV. So where's your supposed "overpop?"
Ridiculous ideas? The world is awash in paper fiat currency, and ridiculous ideas. Ever hear of Agenda 21? Evil, absurd
@pronatalist The world is dying? there progressing. As more people are 'educated', and leave the religious influence behind, people are actually learning and finally realizing the truth. Sure, contraceptives is on the T.V., but I don't think that's pushing anyone to use it. I don't ever remember a Trojan employee, ringing my doorbell, to shove a condom at my face, like the bible-carriers who stops by often. In my head, I say, "leave it to the church".
If the world is progressing, then where's the progress? Why are people losing their jobs and homes. Why are the newspapers full of bad news? Why do our savings dwindle in purchasing power, even when you don't have to drain them for expenses, due to say like job or unemployment compensation income?
Education is a huge bait-and-switch against truth. Much of what people are "learning," is false, and is having destructive effects, including "educated" becoming learning-disabled.
The world is dying? Let's talk of my definition or measure of that then. Below "replacement" fertility implies soon-to-be-declining pops in many places. A graying of the pop, people becoming old, not enough younger workers to replace them. People are becoming discouraged, innovation is waning, freedom in statist countries such as the U.S., is diminishing. Declining pop, older people, lack of progress or retrograde progress, is "dying" to me.
People don't leave religious influence behind, but rather than faith in God, people switch to rebelling against God and what is good, for pagan earth-worship, "sustainable" development, and other bad ideas that retard progress.
Sounds like you googled Agenda 21, lots of people calling it bad? How could you be so clueless to not have heard of Agenda 21 before? Agenda 21 is anti-pop, anti-progress, anti-prosperity, aims to hurt the poor. Globalists aim for individual doesn't matter.
Commercials aim to influence behavior and buying habits. How is it not pushing people to use contraceptives, when such commercials aim to sell contraceptives? When do they ever show respect for faith or for big families? When do they ever admit that the natural reproduction is best, and most respectful to the body's natural reproductive rhythms? Why didn't our ancestors have much any use for contraceptives?
If it's not pushing, or influencing, then why $millions for Superbowl ads?
@pronatalist I haven't heard of Agenda 21, until you told me. What do I think about it? Its "wack!", It deliberately take the freedom away. Its puts the loyalty to the state, before personal rights. Its totally unreasonable. However, one idea I do believe in 'Agenda 21', is that we have a responsibility for the Earth, on how we use it.
Economy is economy, you cannot change that. What do you propose we do? That's what I thought, "nothing!".
Of course I don't believe in using any form of "birth control." It interferes with the natural flow of human life. It aims to prevent/eliminate human life. It's unnatural. Family size was long thought "uncontrollable," at least until "the pill" that came out in 1960. Humanity never seemed to have much use for anti-life "family planning" until recently. Why the change? The great falling away from faith, foretold in the Bible. We have more pop-accommodating technology than ever before.
And yet, why is it I notice, that the more more money people seem to have, the more excuses they find to be afraid of growing their families? You would think that the rich people could afford the biggest families, but it seems God gives more children to the poor, since the rich people don't want them. See Psalm 107: 41
Why is it that we seem to have such a myriad of "birth control" methods? Because they are all shoddy, so they invent yet another shoddy method? Babies are blessings.
It doesn't take a lot of imagination, to look around and see lot of places where more people could live. The world, while no longer so empty of people, neither is anywhere full of people either. Most places on the globe, still are rather sparsely populated. There's 3 perceptional dimension that we can still grow into. Outwards, inwards, and upwards.
Starvation is not caused by more mouths to feed, but by corrupted economic systems. People multiply because they are getting food.
There's an overpop theory that says that we have too much food. In the animal kingdom at least, abundance of food fuels "wild" pop growth. Gee, could they make up their minds which to worry us about? Too little, or too much food? Seems like one might cancel the other out?
Most people have the food they need, most of the time. Problem is, due to corrupt economics, poor people can't buy food when their crops fail. Food storage technologies work better, for people who have money.
Fuck you MAYOR ATIENZA. "They made the choice"? You don't give them a choice in the first place! Economic sense? Yes, it makes economic sense that so many Fililipinas have to risk their lives working abroad, sometimes even having to prostitute themselves just to feed their families. FUCK YOU ATIENZA. Our country cannot even sustain our own people and u are proud Filipinos leave for work? YOU should leave. I'd like to see u find a job, a REAL one, not a "politician job" Piece of shit!
Ang catholico simbahan gustong pumapel sa gobyerno..gusto nilang ipakita na mayroon silang magawa sa kanilang gusto...kaya yung RH bill gustong hinde ipatupad sa gobyerno.
.kaya kapag daming tao..daming miyembro na sumali sa catolico..ang hirap lang sa cultong ito gustong dami na miyembro para makwartahan..
see no condoms or birth control means that typhoons will be god's way of leveling the over population.... Thats how I see it, event ho I am Catholic. To think my priest told me I would solve all my marriage problems by popping out lots of Catholic babies.
But high pop levels has nothing to do with the cause of typhoons. Typhoons are but the natural weather that moves excess heat from the sun, to areas where there is less heat.
Reasons for urging no use of condoms nor of of the supposedly more natural means of "birth control" such as rhythm or pulling out, are not only religious, but practical and natural. Human life was designed to spread, and the real purpose of advancing technology, isn't so much comfort as for pop natural increase.
Of course the people should be urged to reproduce naturally, shun the awkward unnatural condoms, and welcome people's precious darling babies regardless of sometimes already big family size or growing pop levels, babies welcomed to keep pushing out unhindered, so that more and more people can experience life. As the world naturally has to grow more dense with people, well what for is all that pop-driven technology growth for anyway? Let there come to be more places with lots of people
there are so many people in the philippines who will even suck the pope's cock if god wills it. catholics in the phils are also willing to twist the facts to make their religious appear intellectually respectable.
Secularism is the key towards progress but due to the strong influence by the Catholic church on the government and the people, this is almost impossible to achieve. So many are misguided by pro-church advocates like this mayor Atienza which is the main reason to expect the country to be in deeper destitution in the future.
!What are you saying is "We are Stupid" Many people in poor communities cannot afford a decent education or don't have access to it. They can't help being uneducated.
Many people in the Western world had a good education and many privileges and yet they are still IGNORANT! SHUT THE FUCK UP!
yooalina16 1 month ago
i think those impoverished mothers are actually more intelligent than LITO ATIENZA.
pnoysuede 2 months ago
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If you can't stop people from having babies, then why bother? Let pop rise naturally, embrace the natural increase of humanity, warn people of contraceptive side effects and not to use any means of "birth control."
Natural pop growth is not the problem, but rather poverty promoted by corrupt govs, fiat paper currencies, and even the distractions from reform of rampant pushing of shoddy Big Pharma contraceptives.
We let people eat, so let babies come out from between their legs.
pronatalist 4 months ago
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@riteaboutnow
If you can't stop people from having babies, then why bother? Let pop rise naturally, embrace the natural increase of humanity, warn people of contraceptive side effects and not to use any means of "birth control."
Natural pop growth is not the problem, but rather poverty promoted by corrupt govs, fiat paper currencies, and even the distractions from reform of rampant pushing of shoddy Big Pharma contraceptives.
We let people eat, so let babies come out from between their legs.
pronatalist 4 months ago
@riteaboutnow
If you can't stop people from having babies, then why bother? Let pop rise naturally, embrace the natural increase of humanity, warn people of contraceptive side effects and not to use any means of "birth control."
Natural pop growth is not the problem, but rather poverty promoted by corrupt govs, fiat paper currencies, and even the distractions from reform of rampant pushing of shoddy Big Pharma contraceptives.
We let people eat, so let babies come out from between their legs.
pronatalist 4 months ago
@pronatalist We we can't stop it, unless someone stops it. All it requires is 1 person, 1 person to enforce his idea, and for people to who have the option follow him. This problem isn't impossible to fix, its hard---but not impossible. I agree with you. 'No birth control'. In the past I have been continuously saying 'the world isn't unlimited' and nothing is going to change that. Even if we have the best gov't in the world, the best people, it is still inadequate to fix poverty.
tuberman890 3 months ago
@tuberman890
You agree with me? That people ought to not use any "birth control?" Or to at least have that right? You didn't agree before with me? So why the change now?
I don't want the natural human pop expansion to stop, but welcome pop to go on growing and growing.
The world isn't unlimited? But the planet is indeed huge. By allowing world pop to freely grow denser and denser, there can be found, or made, place for all our progeny well into the foreseeable future
No reason to stop babies
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist
I have a question, if there where only say, 1 million people in the world today, with todays technology and know how, do you think there would be lack of food? Lack of shelter? Lack of space?
I dont think so!
And also, as much as you say that people should be able to choose to have their child and not USE birth control, then shouldnt that way of thinking apply the other way where people who WANTS to use birth control should be able to use it? Its not like people...
dobeeDEE 1 month ago
@dobeeDEE
1 million people would not be better off, than today's "burgeoning billions" 7 billion+.
What hypothetical shall we use? Let's say aliens took most all the people away, to move them to a more suitable planet, or planets let's say, for suitable presumably, for our "huge" pop size, and left 1 million behind. Maybe they said, they like earth, refuse to leave?
That way, we won't have to bury 7 billion bodies.
What a disaster! Technology would fall apart so fast, what to do?
pronatalist 1 month ago
@dobeeDEE
Who would repair the power plants? Who would arrange for the coal shipments?
Most people, in developed countries, have forgotten how to live off the land, and would they figure it out fast enough? Machines and technology would break down, cars and trains stop running, because Where are the people who know how to operate and fix all these machines? With no electricity, your refrigerator won't stay cold, have to throw out food.
Of course, manual can openers will still work.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@dobeeDEE
And how many people might be unhappy, having lost their friends and relatives? Of course, in the suggested scenario, that might be a reason so many people also decided to leave, didn't want to get left behind, so maybe the one's who stayed behind, didn't have much family, and thought maybe they could make new friends.
But if the people are widely scattered, and cars no longer run, roads are falling apart, is walking and horse, going to allow you to even reach many people?
pronatalist 1 month ago
@pronatalist
...are forced to use birth control,...or are they in the Philippines?...
What is it that you think is so scary and wrong with birth control, and dont say GOD this and GOD that....I want a really NON FAITH based reason for not having condoms around in the world.....
dobeeDEE 1 month ago
@dobeeDEE
Reasons not to use condoms, which don't seem to be too much rooted in faith:
poor fit, dulling of sensation, semen backpressure, multiple "failure" modes, expense for a 1-use device, allergic to latex, wife wants more babies, love for children, desire for farmhands to help out, old age security, children are only wealth of the poor, children maybe can go to work - bring home a little money for the poor family, no automatic furnace in hut so more bodies in bed help keep warm
pronatalist 1 month ago
@dobeeDEE
So why do I keep hearing of some Reproductive Bill, that sounds like some immoral subsidies for contraceptives? Who's going to pay taxes to pay for this? People struggling to provide for their own growing families? Why should they pay to deny other people their children? That's COERCION against having children. Why not subsidies for things more pro-life then, like making sure all medical clinics have plenty of well-baby delivery kits?
Free natural methods:rhythm,pulling out
pronatalist 1 month ago
@dobeeDEE
Don't think I am recommending "natural" methods either, as those also seek to deny the natural spread of human life. And natural methods have issues of having enough will-power.
Some say pulling out doesn't work, because precum oozes long before ejaculation, and each drop can contain 50,000 sperm. Often there is more than a few drops. Sometimes guy loses control and blows entire load.
But natural is less side effects, doesn't fund anti-life interests. And no expense.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@dobeeDEE
Rhythm probably doesn't work so well, in little 1-room shacks, for there is no place to be away from one's spouse during the most fertile time of the month, so of course they are still going to engage in sexual intercourse. No hiding a throbbing erect penis. Procreating babies is the NATURAL remedy.
No, the "no method" method is the most natural method of "family planning," and there is a long list of compelling reasons to let families grow naturally, possibly quite large.
pronatalist 1 month ago
@tuberman890
The world is full of lies. Let God be true, and let all men be liars, doesn't it say somewhere in the Bible?
Nature is resilient. The planet can much more easily bear the rising human pop "pressure," than people can be expected to struggle against nature to "control" their fertility. It's not "selfish" to have "too many" children, but rather one of the most generous things we can do, to add more precious human lives to the world.
Why did Jesus say we would always have the poor?
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
It's not due to lack of resources. There's plenty of resources for everybody in the world to have a mansion. No, it's the selfish misuse of resources, gov corruption, selfishness, economies rigged to deny access to everybody.
Not even our evil schemes to kill off the poor, can end poverty. For poverty isn't even of permanent classes anyway, yet another lie. Poor can become rich, and foolish rich can lose their wealth
World could conceivably grow very populous, but w/o the poverty
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Or did you agree with me that regions of the world are growing, in human numbers, without use of much "birth control," that human pops are expanding, "out of control?" Although humans should alter nature to make way for our growing numbers, I do not believe every aspect of nature need be so controlled, and that our baby booms should be welcome to expand freely, even "wildly" "out of control," because more and more people would be glad to live.
Big families are still a great option
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
It's wonderful news, if The Philippines is indeed having a Baby Boom. By growing denser with people, country helps planet to hold lots more people. People, even more people, are a great asset to a country, especially if they can ever manage to get somewhat better gov. Growing far more populous, ought not to be thought a liability, but rather, great "progress" for the human race.
Libs would cringe, at thought people should have less sex? So let "baby after baby" come alive then,duh
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist Lol wrong..I meant the right of the option to use 'birth control'
tuberman890 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Pop control freaks tell us only option, is their way, tyranny against families, enforce smaller family size. But what is that really? Evil eugenics, class warfare, turn everybody against their neighbor?
Expose their lies, there's a far better option - grow naturally. So what, if planet grows denser with people?, let it happen, for it's impossible for human numbers to outpace so many means available to ADAPT.
Contraceptives have side effects, let families grow traditionally large!
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist We cannot overflow our country. Trash, crime, and corruption will only increase. If i mean, if it does overgrow the proportion of the country itself--where will the people go. Another country cannot accept the loads of people, where will we get the water, what will we eat, where will we live, how will we survive? Its only common sense to predict the future of baby boom. Its for the person to choose what they want, and I know the person will have the best in their heart...
tuberman890 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Contraceptives have side effects and expense, and aim to deny the natural flow of human life. "Natural" methods require too much "self control." Married people have every right to simply let their families grow large naturally, unrestrained, and to take responsibility for however many children they may have. My point isn't so much to avoid "artificial" methods, but more so, to relax and let the human race grow naturally, encourage large families worldwide, let planet grow denser.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Why can't people "overflow" their countries? I read somewhere, The Philippines may double pop to 170 million in 30 years, obviously, a bit "dated" a prediction, as isn't the pop already over 100 million? Prove to me Philippines can't hold 170M? I think it can, and more!
Biblical example with Abraham and Lot's growing tribes, is to SPREAD OUT. But if frontiers are diminishing perhaps?, there's still 2 other perceptional dimensions to spread into: outwards, INWARDS, and UPWARDS.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
I don't mean so much to think in terms of out-migration, as I can't think of many countries begging to take in 100s of millions of immigrants in addition to their own natural increase?, but more of letting pop density rise in all countries, all at the same time, working together for trade and common benefits, to grow denser globally
Where to get water? Water all around on the globe. Ocean water desalination plants. Where will we all live? Perhaps increasingly "everywhere,"wherever
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
I know The Philippines is already nearly as dense as India. But does that mean that parents shouldn't love their children anymore? Does that mean, that no means to grow further can be found? Of course not. Parents are obviously capable of procreating, even in crowded surroundings, and children would much rather be born into overcrowded communities or homes, than to not exist at all. So to blame "too many" births, is no reform at all.
Baby boom may bring higher density, but ADAPT.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
I predict possible higher density, but then I stop. There's no proof it brings poverty nor misery, nor all that Malthusian gloom-and-doom nonsense. It merely means perhaps a more urbanized world, a world more filled with more people. If the Filipino pop grows someday very large for the land, then use technology and faith to expand infrastructure towards a very pop-efficient and modern country. It's no shame to have so many people, for as PM observed, it's happening to entire world.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Some pro-abort pamphlet I collected, criticized some pro-life leader's quote, that she said they are against all forms of contraception, except for rhythm, with an absurd question, "How dense can we get?" Well I agree, Yes, I am for higher density, so that we do still have a way to find or make place for all our progeny, no matter that so many billions are alive already.
Lower density may be good, if we could spread to more worlds. But we can't yet, and God commanded, we multiply.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
You said that people should follow their own path, as long as it does not harm anybody. What does it harm me, if my many neighbors have big families? I don't think their children will be living in my house, well unless they flock in to play with my many children? They probably won't be into my yard, much? I know it makes my world grow denser, but I already said I'm fine with that, as it's the best option anyway.
More pop makes for better video game, books, etc., selection.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
I believe individual people, deserve to have rights respected. I believe in individual rights and personal responsibility. Bible says, if a man will not work, neither should he eat. I don't believe this means to deny help to handicapped people, but people should not expect gov handouts nor entitlements. If they want wealth, let them work and save to earn it.
People have the right to exist, and the right to be poor. If they like to have shack overflowing with kids, it's their right
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist The issue here is the reply that u had just said: people are incapable of doing that, well most of them. The Bible? people should not be following a book for an answer, it should be him/herself. Look what that book has cause humanity--war, incompetence, intolerance, and hate. People should follow their own path, as long as it does not harm anyone. But if people continue to live in shacks, and flow and flow, how are its predecessors going to succeed.
tuberman890 3 months ago
@tuberman890
People are incapable of doing what? Using "natural" methods such as rhythm or pulling out? That's a reason I don't expect them to, another reason I advocate the natural increase, welcome families to grow however large. Can a person be expected to stop breathing, for no good reason? Then why should people be expected to "control" the natural flow of babies pushing out of their bodies? Children are a blessing from God, so the more the better.
Their wrong path does harm other people.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
People should follow God's path. Who are the 10 Commandments for? For only good people? No, they are for everybody. Wicked countries get destroyed, because they refuse to abide by God's commandments.
We should expect children to "flow and flow" from poor people living in shacks, for humans enjoy being constantly "in hat," able to reproduce year round, and what real reason do they have, to deny the natural flow of human life?
Answer isn't to curb flow, but to expand human housing.
pronatalist 3 months ago
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@tuberman890
Contraceptives have side effects and expense, and aim to deny the natural flow of human life. "Natural" methods require too much "self control." Married people have every right to simply let their families grow large naturally, unrestrained, and to take responsibility for however many children they may have. My point isn't so much to avoid "artificial" methods, but more so, to relax and let the human race grow naturally, encourage large families worldwide, let planet grow denser.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
The body is the temple of the soul. I do not believe in defiling the body with unneeded drugs, cigarettes, nor "birth control" chemicals or "pesticides." Aren't even some condoms coated with sperm-icide? Some guy trying to conceive a child, said sex natural rather than with a condom, is like having steak, rather than steak wrapped in a balloon. Yeah, why should real men be afraid of the real deal?
God will provide, and I don't believe we'll have time left to add many more billions
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
One more point, then I need to wrap-up.
Sounds like you criticized people living in shacks, as too poor to have such big families? I disagree. What's our Western small-family alternative? Crush people under 30-year mortgages to have the bank repossess and leave them homeless, just as soon as some wicked administration crushes the economy and our jobs? Like that's more "civilized?"
Something wrong with an economy in which a man can't build his house in a year, or pay it off in 7.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist I'm Filipino. I lived in environment such as this. One of my goals is to prevent this grievous situation. From experience Western life is so much better. Westerners is conceived by having things at hand, what do you think I feel, all Filipinos feel? We work harder, than Westerners, we don't depend on welfare, and such miracles of the gov't. We are aware of corruption in the Philippines, but the people aren't educated to revolt back. So what--Western Life is equal to ours? No!
tuberman890 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Why do you think we Westerners, have it better? Sure, we may seem to have more material things, but too much is financed with unsustainable debt, and we are spiritually bankrupt. Our gov education is dumbed down, and too few people know to revolt, and usually those that do, are the leftist trouble-makers. Western culture is dying, we aren't having enough babies to replace ourselves, soon to be taken over by Muslims or our own corruption. Gov welfare traps us in poverty, dependence.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist Westerners do have it better. That's a fact! Clean water, Food, and valuable materials. An article in Africa writes a description on how people would kill for water. Never in my life I would see that happening in Western Society. In the Philippines, some penniless and HOMELESS kids search in mountains of trash in their luck to find food for school. That brings me to my other point. Westerners take the matter of school for granted. Everything is easy for them...
tuberman890 3 months ago
@tuberman890
You think Westerners have it better. But we have our problems too. I hear Americans are so mis-informed, uninformed, so gullible, and we are at serious risk of throwing all our prosperity away.
Everything is easy for us? Then why does America lead the world in incarcerations? Why are Americans losing their jobs and homes? We may have things somewhat easier, but NWO Satanists are sabotaging our economy, making things worse, while perhaps places like Philippines are getting better?
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist Say all you want. Westerners do have it better. Education that provides knowledge, but Westerners take it for granted. Addition to that we have access to the internet, a vast network which provides unlimited amount of information. Westerners are informed and gullible? I don't think so. Why is it a problem to risk throwing prosperity? Share it to countries less fortunate. You know why not?
tuberman890 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Westerners have it somewhat better, for now? But because we lead the world, we are more a target for the devil, to destroy us. Maybe more Westerners are going to hell, than poor people, who tend to be more humble?
Yes, internet is very useful resource for truth and debate, so wicked politicians want "internet kill switch," to cut off flow of info to common people, in event of "crisis" or "false flag event" that politicians plan to cause. Internet helps us ADAPT to populous world.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
I hear that America is a "has been" country, that our greatness, appears largely, to be IN THE PAST. Some warn that bad times, even food riots, may soon be coming to America? Our economy is falling apart, because of endless gov meddling, endless bailouts, loss of confidence, unsustainable debt, collapsing dollar. I want out, before it's too late, but nobody will tell me where to go or how, and is the whole world a mess, or mainly America is leading the mess?
School=disinformation?
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist I think I'm going for a break. Since you are hard headed to process your mind. I'm going to stop for a while, and I advice for you to do so too. If the world will be as populous as ever-I won't go on a rampage of mass murder, but educate the people that it is an issue. I understand people have the 'right to be poor'; the way I see it, I really don't care. Since poor people yearn for the path of wealth, its up to prosperous people to help them. Too bad they are selfish.
tuberman890 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Remember, did I tell you, that the common people do not make the wars? It's criminal elitists who manipulate the people, for their globalist "utopia," NWO globalist empire ideas. Or their power lust and greed.
Like you said about yourself, common people, myself included, are unwilling to do anything to keep pop from going on rising. We celebrate births of our friends and relatives. Pop is an issue? Not of "controlling" births, but more populous world needs more toilets, more homes
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Where have our rights, for Americans, gone? We can't be rich, and we can't be poor either? We aren't allowed to live in home without electricity or without water service? But our ancestors survived without all that modern stuff. They steal our wealth or force us to take gov handouts?
I see edu and internet, as tools to help world grow much more populous, but never for imposing birth "control" nor pop "control." We can keep having babies, but countries will have to hold MORE PEOPLE
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
I am hard-headed? No, I am correct. I wish more people would take the correct position, so that I need not be so persistent, and could talk about other things more. It's too much burden for me. You think I like being among the few correct people? God's prophets were accused of being too negative, because they couldn't be persuaded or bought off as the common gullible people could.
We prosperous people ARE HELPING, but gov is blocking reforms, prosperity, blocking job creation.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Ever hear of "Lifeboat Ethic?" It's criminal elitists who refuse to help, with their narrow anti-pop propaganda. According to Lifeboat view of world, helping the poor is counterproductive. If we give (or sell) to poor countries, medicine and food, we reduce infant mortality, we increase longevity, and encourage childbearing, all of which serve to grow them more "overpop." Can you see how my pronatalist view is far more productive? I already advocate denser world, so more pop is OK.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
I refuse to accept "overpop" view, because it's counterproductive and a huge distraction from true needed reforms. Whatever is done to make world better, it had better accept a more populous world, as we may be headed that direction, regardless.
I tell the truth, that births may continue to naturally outpace deaths, that's what the people and parents want, but then to welcome our precious babies, more places may need to have many people, fewer places far away from lots of people?
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
I get so angry with foolishness of utopian and globalist ideas, and that of enviro-wackos. They push technologies and ideas that have no chance of working for the poor, nor of making housing affordable, nor of allowing wealth in the hands of productive people,to expand to create jobs
Some guy's video says they make for violence world, because a world of love, means BIGGER families. But a world of love, even with high pop levels, is the ideal, an easy and wonderful world to live in
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
It's good to have lower infant mortality, greater longevity (people living longer), and for increased childbearing to be encouraged (or allowed to occur). But this means, that births more easily outpace?, pop ACCUMULATES. Can you begin to see why I do not believe in imposing "birth control" nor pop "control?" Something has to give, and what must give, is the sparsely-populated world of the past. Modern world is POPULOUS, even sci-fi told us that. We must embrace truth to move on.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
I feel held back by corrupt U.S. gov and sabotaged economy. I want to leave and get out of here, before it's too late.
Saw some YT video saying that powers-that-be, don't want us to love, for then families get bigger, but they promote death and violence and war. I don't really agree with that premise, for war doesn't "control" pop, as births come faster than deaths,regardless. Rather, it's corruption and greed, and rebellion against God's moral standards
Love helps populous world
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist Populous country is an example of disaster. When in times of storms or natural disaster, more people are starving, more people are KILLED. Even though, in times of amity crimes are occurring every second. How can you even say a more populous world is tranquil? As more people grow bigger, I really don't think people will help, rather than themselves. The way I predict is people will kill for a inch of food, a pint of water, and crimes will be tireless.
tuberman890 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Populous country is not "bad." It's good that the people are becoming so many. More and more people would be glad to live, and most people want children. "Populous" is the natural result, and should be expected, not resisted.
Populous countries can have many benefits. If pop is very large, then a given number of refugees, is "smaller" and easier to absorb. Populous can mean, more options and more backup reserves, in a country that is moral.
There doesn't have to be shortages.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist Religion do cause war. Its their different ideas or beliefs that builds tension between them. George Bush even stated 'Holy War' against Islam. Peace is only achieved if we accept each other, and break the stereotypes, categorizing between each of us. In the past 100 years, millions of Jews and Armenians were victims of religious hate. The crusades were fought, because of obtaining the Holy Land. Eh! why? isn't sharing a better idea?
tuberman890 3 months ago
@tuberman890
If proper sense of "community" is diminished in the huge city, then moral people of faith, Christians, should pray and seek to restore the proper sense of community and help and care for one another. High density shouldn't mean that people no longer matter. You can have many smaller "communities" or neighborhoods, even within the huge city or country. Large distance in between, isn't really necessary.
But Islam is a trouble-making religion, but if 9-11 was inside job, not so much?
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Islam is about deception and lies, but if 9-11 was an inside job, then just how much are Muslims guilty then of causing the troubles, if NWO Satanist Masons were to blame for orchestrating 9-11? Is Islam an convenient scapegoat? That's why we need an honest investigation, and to find out, what really happened, so the evil-doers can finally be stopped. Islam is "bad," so America conveniently has to be world empire conqueror? Something doesn't quite compute there.
NWO arranges wars.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist In times of troubles, I say "Why is there such a thing called Economy?" Then I think...economy is difficult to erase. Economy starts with the trading of items and so forth... Seriously, whoever created economy is such a bitch. But then if I wanted to make everything equal-I'm heading into communistic ideals, which I truly dislike. So here it is. Economy!
tuberman890 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Communism has proved, again and again, to be such an evil lie. You think communists don't all the more, like to line their pockets with other people's wealth?
You can't simply blame "economy," for there will also be "economy" any time pops get large enough, that people want to trade. Far more wealth is produced, when people are allowed to profit, producing "excess" of things they are good at. Unfortunately, few are smart enough to be "jack of all trades," so then we must trade.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Don't you get it? We don't want everything "equal." That is evil. We aren't all the same. We don't all have the same interests. Why should I be forced to live in a big spacious mansion, if I don't want to do the work to earn it? Maybe I would rather have a new computer or a book, and leave that mansion to whoever owns it? Maybe I would rather work less
What we want, is to keep what's ours, and let the rich keep theirs. Get the politicians out of our pockets and out of our business
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
Didn't FDR say that we have the right of "freedom from want?" A moment's thought, should show that to be such a lie. Jason Lewis was talking about this, just the other day on the radio. For how can anybody have a "right" that denies other people their rights? Rights are God-given, and do not deny other people's rights. Why should somebody else have to work on your behalf, while you sit on your butt and refuse to work? Bible said, If a man will not work, neither should he eat.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890 (wrap-up)
I say, doesn't a man have a right, to be poor? This rampant socialism is so unfair. If you are "too rich," whatever rich elite politicians deem "too rich?," then they take it upon themselves to "redistribute wealth," and somehow, most of it gets squandered and wasted in "pay to play" and favoritism, crony capitalism, business opportunities dry up and leave the country, and the poor get poorer.
If you are poor, why are you expected to take gov handouts? Where's the jobs?
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890 (wrap-up)
Pop growth does not equal disaster, but is a potent measure, that people are indeed doing something right. Don't they say that "Love makes the world go round?" Love helps a populous world ADAPT, and strong families are the basic building blocks of society. Healthy families makes for healthy communities and a better world.
I don't believe their evil anti-pop propaganda, there are reforms and solutions, but evil people gum up the works.
Pronatalism rejects their evil lies
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist I am an athiest, but I am a follower of the 'right to religion'. My comment below/above is a description of how I believe people should follow his own path. Just to clear things up, I am the most accepting person you'll ever met and I am in no such way in contrary of religion.
tuberman890 3 months ago
@tuberman890
You say you are for "right to religion?" But "religion" is a leading reason for families possibly growing large. Most religions seem to still promote the natural, and possibly large, family growth. So are you still for "right to religion" in that regard?
I am also very "accepting" in some matters, such as being a pro-lifer, I'm completely okay with families growing naturally, or "wildly out of control." I'm sure their reasons for procreating so many babies, are plenty good enough.
pronatalist 3 months ago
@tuberman890
In debating the pop issue, I've even had some claimed-atheist tell me he's okay with letting pop grow, as it would be good for the progress of humanity. There's so many reasons that can be thought of, why letting human pops expand, really is for the good.
The Bible did not cause those problems. #1 cause of unnatural death is gov,150 million murdered by their own govs! What about Catholic Spanish Inquisition? Catholic Church opposed people to read own Bible,practice their own faith
pronatalist 3 months ago
@pronatalist Population Growth=Disaster for Humanity. End of Story.
tuberman890 3 months ago
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@riteaboutnow
If you can't stop people from having babies, then why bother? Let pop rise naturally, embrace the natural increase of humanity, warn people of contraceptive side effects and not to use any means of "birth control."
Natural pop growth is not the problem, but rather poverty promoted by corrupt govs, fiat paper currencies, and even the distractions from reform of rampant pushing of shoddy Big Pharma contraceptives.
We let people eat, so let babies come out from between their legs.
pronatalist 4 months ago
@riteaboutnow
If you can't stop people from having babies, then why bother? Let pop rise naturally, embrace the natural increase of humanity, warn people of contraceptive side effects and not to use any means of "birth control."
Natural pop growth is not the problem, but rather poverty promoted by corrupt govs, fiat paper currencies, and even the distractions from reform of rampant pushing of shoddy Big Pharma contraceptives.
We let people eat, so let babies come out from between their legs.
pronatalist 4 months ago
@riteaboutnow- God gave us a brain, yes a wonderful brain, with that brain we can overcome so
much, including a growing population, governments need to distribute wealth and resources in a better way.
There is plenty of food for all and more to come. Human population will grow inevitably, it is the way of nature,
we must welcome the prospect of a swelling population on earth, all want to enjoy life.
limoboss6242 4 months ago
@riteaboutnow - Breeding is human nature, you can't stop people from having babies, poor or not, babies
are created through God's wish, wrong to control population growth, population must swell for the good of mankind, government to blame for people staying poor, share the wealth with all, not a small few. stoppping
inevitable births does not stop poverty. Pro life is giving more birth, god's will to enable us to make many!!
limoboss6242 4 months ago
@riteaboutnow
Humans have no right to "control population," because that is tyranny. How do we dare pretend to know our neighbors well enough, to make claims that "other people" ought not to have so many children? And yet we continue to live and breathe and take up space? What hypocrisy!
Why not allow pop to expand naturally, even if "overwhelming?" More infrastructure is needed, there's your millions of jobs more.
I agree with TheIxtlan, world pop is growing, it's part of nature,God's design
pronatalist 4 months ago
NO FOOD! >>>>> NO FUCK !
spacej0ckey 5 months ago
Family planning is not about stopping couples from having children. Using contraceptives doesn't necessarily translate to good family planning. Contraceptives are just stopgap measures. The problem here is that people are not given enough information by the government to practice family planning using natural methods of birth control. Also the city of Manila is critically crowded. Gov't needs to have an urban planning solution. There are more problems here than just condoms. AlJazeera failed.
minds0ulfist 5 months ago
just stop fornicating and fucking without any responsability,.thats all,be responsible,.
brwncrss1 6 months ago
@brwncrss1 -Unrestrained birth is God's plan for human nature. Fornication and fucking, as you put it,
is a natural act of human interaction, the sole purpose of that act is to create more human life, it's not just for
pleasure, human sexual contact is for the goal of sperm fertilizing the egg to create a life. Any means to stop
that sacred union are seen as evil in God's eyes. Human population is destined to swell to extreme numbers. Let the earth busrt with relentless births!!
limoboss6242 4 months ago
Poverty in the Philippines us caused by over-dependency on foreign jobs, allowing parents make bad decisions having many children they can't afford to support, or a product of unintended pregnancies knowing they're not using birth control courtesy of the Catholic church for interfering with government policies on family planning and limited jobs caused by this mindset due to bad governance.
jambroco 6 months ago
Phillippines is not overpopulated. The world is simply growing and multiplying.
Its part of nature and its part of God creation.
Poverty in Phillippines is cause by unequal distribution of wealth. So don't blame it on overpopulation.
Don't be ulol or stupid believing there should be birth control bill.
TheIxtlan 6 months ago
This documentary shows the real problem in the country, incompetent officials making bad decisions and poor people don't have other alternatives but increase in numbers. The Philippine Constitution allowed this former Manila mayor to impose his own agenda to prevent needy people access to contraceptives, denying them human rights they truly deserve. Unfortunately, the Philippine government will always be full of incompetent officials due to years of cronyism and dysfunctional political dynasties
tcrusader1 6 months ago
all they're doing is to reproduce and reproduce and then if they're starving,they will blame the government...stupid people they don't imagine that they are the reason why my fuckin' philippines is full of trash>>>(uneducated,stupid, and corrupt people).grrrrrrr!!!--BALLSACK!
leeroy4319 6 months ago
MOST RICH PPLS IN THE PHILIPPINES THEY HAVE A SHITTY ATTITUTES!
tinkybee1 6 months ago
@tinkybee1 Most of khmer are lie and retard, dumb,jealousy,slutty,and fuckhead. ha ha ha Khmer people are scumbag
tommymthai20 6 months ago
Y DON'T THE RICH STUK UP PHILIPPINO/PHILIPPINA HELP THEM POOR PPLS?
tinkybee1 6 months ago
one of the highest birth rates in asia? hmmm, i wonder where china and india ranked with their 1 billion people... hmmmm
13elsyd13 7 months ago
mga pari mukhang pera!
spacej0ckey 7 months ago
Privatization is the greater cause why there is a poverty .And I believe it will cost blood to cure this disease.
MrBIGHORN13 7 months ago
The Philippines is no more of a Christian nation than Middle east nations. If the people here would get a clue as to what is going on here they might do o.k..
mine7857 8 months ago
philippines is a christian shit country ...catholic is shit...
ameredon1 9 months ago
@ameredon1
So what is your point? All countries are "shit" because moron voters vote for power-mad corrupt politicians. What isn't "shit?"
Family members are ungrateful, U.S. is going down the toilet because Americans are ungrateful to God for much of anything. So much political talk about "tax the rich," a surtax for rich people, and already the unappreciated rich people are leaving, easier to make money elsewhere than runaway taxes/regulations America.
No jobs in Philippines=gov corruption.
pronatalist 9 months ago
KAPAG HILONG-HILO NA KAYO SA GUTOM......MAY POWER PA BA KAYONG MAG-FUCK?
spacej0ckey 9 months ago
Did you hear what she had said, "It is more sinful to have children, and not be able to provide for them". It is impossible to argue with this statement...
tuberman890 9 months ago
NO FOOD! NO FUCK!
spacej0ckey 9 months ago
Um, stop fucking, withdraw or just stick to oral sex. I know withdrawal is not always effective but it can help.
22JaneDoe 10 months ago
@22JaneDoe
They say You can't stop people from having sex. Well especially married people, entitled in every way and with social expectation to be enjoying sex. Do you agree with this? Then how can you say that so many people should stop fucking? Would you suggest people stop breathing? It's the natural function of the human reproductive capability, to REPRODUCE. Withdrawal doesn't prevent oozing of precum which also contains sperm. Children are blessings, so have children, let many babies come
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist Hence why I said withdrawal is not always effective but I know from experience it helps. Sure sex is a natural thing, but we should be able to control ourselves better than the less intelligent animals and we know the consequences of sex. If I was unable to support a child I would take every precaution I could not to get pregnant, and like I said in my other post there are other ways to get sexual satisfaction without penetration.
22JaneDoe 9 months ago
@22JaneDoe
We control ourselves by only having sex with the one to whom we are married to. Yes, the consequences of sex, is babies, a very practical and moral reason for faithful monogamy/marriage.
Withdrawal isn't always effective, a practical reason to not withdrawal, to enjoy the natural mating, and just let the entire ejaculate flow and spurt naturally, into the natural place where babies are made. If precum might cause the pregnancy anyhow, why not just welcome the blessings of children?
pronatalist 9 months ago
@22JaneDoe
Other ways to get sexual satisfaction? Like what? The "outercourse" fooling around, that soon naturally leads to intercourse? I believe children are a blessing, and I do not believe in use of "birth control" nor imposing population "control" upon human beings, but rather I believe in the natural expectation of the old traditional natural increase of humanity.
The consequences is that we parents are to provide for and love any children who result, but no need to limit their numbers.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist You don't believe in birth control? Even though we are extremely overpopulated, millions upon millions are starving and the earth is been destroyed by us, but you want even more people?
22JaneDoe 9 months ago
@22JaneDoe I've been arguing with this guy, "I think?" for over 3 months. Trust me, he does not care if the world is overpopulated, he does not care about the starving, and does not think pollution, and mass extinction is a problem. He only wants the world to be impossibly populated, to the point of infinity. So, there is no reasoning with this guy, but keep at him though. Plainly, he's ignorant and insane.
tuberman890 9 months ago
@tuberman890
World is "overpopulated," compared to what? No, the world is nowhere near full of people. There's plenty of room for all the people there ever will be, well into the foreseeable future. But the days of a quaint sparsely populated world, are long gone. Let there come to be more places with lots of people and fewer places far from lots of people. How are people to have their precious darling babies, in a world of so many people already? Isn't it obvious? Explore how to grow denser.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist I'm assuming you’re a guy. If you were a woman and you knew what it was actually like to be pregnant and give birth and YOU were made to have babies like piglets because your husband, on your logic is unable to control himself and just HAS to keep ejaculating inside you, you might think differently about birth control.
22JaneDoe 9 months ago
@22JaneDoe
Many women also want big families. Haven't you heard any opinion regarding that some women don't want the burden of "family planning" either? Thinking was much different before the rebellious "Free Love" 1960s. People had children and didn't count the cost. Children didn't seem to cost much, before all the rampant gov socialism eroding away our purchasing power. (That there wasn't much "modern" stuff to buy may have helped a bit? People didn't have huge-screen TVs in every room.)
pronatalist 9 months ago
@22JaneDoe
It's not so much about how much "control" the husband supposed has. But rather, children are a blessing, and real men should not need to fear impregnating their wives, because real men help out with the children and are proud to have big and functional families. Thus, there's practical reasons for not withdrawing, but simply continuing intercourse until the semen naturally starts spurting, the man naturally cumming inside his wife's baby hole. Occupied womb=most natural baby spacing.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@22JaneDoe
if people are to have "choice" at all, then surely the "no method" method of "family planning," is not only a legitimate choice, but the most natural, and obedient-to-God choice. Some people may actually be open to the prospect of having big families.
What's the "ideal" or "optimum" pop size anyway? Small and pidly? No, the more people there are, the more people there are who can experience life. For most benefit for most people, = nearly as large as possible, or huge and dense pops
pronatalist 9 months ago
@22JaneDoe
I've researched the secular magazines, and I don't agree with the humanistic, evolutionary-atheism mindset of their anti-life, anti-freedom opinions. Read some description of some mother, in Africa I think, with a baby on her back, a baby inside her belly, and a toddler following behind. Ping! Ping! Ping! Why the disrespect for people naturally growing their families? Quite many refuse to use condoms, because they want to get pregnant and they want children. So let babies push on out
pronatalist 9 months ago
@22JaneDoe
Early withdrawal, even though supposed among the most natural of methods, has side effects. Not only does it prolong periods of high fertility, by seeking to hinder the body's natural efforts to get pregnant, increasing the prospect of "family planning" "failure," but trying to pull out on the very edge of cumming, causes frustration. Could quickly lead to intercourse again failing to achieve orgasm, then inability to time withdrawal again. And (expensive) condoms dull sensation.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@22JaneDoe
I supposed multiple sessions of intercourse, brought on by early withdrawal frustration, could lead to partial ejaculations, even before the husband knows he is cumming? Wouldn't it be better to do like our more pro-life ancestors, and just let the semen flow as it will naturally, since children were usually welcome additions to the family anyway? Yeah, they had the no-sex and less-sex options. But those weren't really considered practical, so families were commonly naturally large.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist Just stop. (Laughing) Who would listen to you? Overpopulation, does not depend on the size or density of a pop.(including ants), but the ratio of the pop. to available resources, unfortunately we don't have enough. According to research we disrupt the, ecosystem-human ratio, by controlling more than half of the land to agriculture, and living spaces.
Truth is, you don't have the right to talk. Well, for the most of us, "we know what poverty feels like!".
tuberman890 9 months ago
@tuberman890
Critics like you, might listen to me.
Actually, I posted on some Filipino? board, maybe 50? replies to question about hearing parents having sex, after somebody's comment about them being so populated, my thoughts to keep welcoming the natural unhindered natural increase of the people, a moderated board requiring every comment be approved, and sure enough, my comments appeared within days, and many of the participants seemed to have little or no objection to natural family growth.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist Dude! There's never a possibility I will listen to you.
Does that board contain 94,000,000 Filipinos? No! So, I don't think that proves anything.
tuberman890 9 months ago
@tuberman890
So what board does have 94 million people? Twitter and Facebook combined, might not have that many? I saw somewhere there's now 98 million Filipinos, not counting those moved to other countries. Any board is a cross-section of pop, not even a good "representative sample." But so what? It's not a scientific vote, but a diverse variety of views. Face it, what populates the planet is extremely pleasurable. People will understandably defend right to reproduce, even to huge pop density.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
What do you know about poverty? Apparently you have a computer, and probably quite many of those "wild" or natural human breeders, have no computer. So you aren't poor? Or are you going to tell me that you walked 50 miles to the big city, just to reply to me, via some internet cafe?
Half the land? I read somewhere agriculture only uses 11% of the land. Either way, so what? I've long defending allowing density to rise, even let city residential space spread into former farmlands.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist I experienced poverty. My family immigrated to America when I was 12. I remember every moment, of my time living there. Fortunately, my parents works very hard, to make us live a better life.
You included the whole Earth, by adding the ocean water in your ratio. So, its about 40% of land we use on agriculture. The fact is, you just don't get. Do you know why I'm still arguing with you? Its because I get bored, and some dude told me, "I could use it to improve my reasoning skills".
tuberman890 9 months ago
@tuberman890
No, I don't think so. Figure I saw, was 11% of the land. Of course, that figure is a bit old, perhaps it's now grown to 13 or 15%? More people does not necessarily mean more farmland, as farming methods and seeds used become more advanced and efficient. But it could be a possibility.
Read somewhere Americans don't think the planet is crowded, because the mouths our farmlands feed are far away in other countries. I have no objection to farms spreading to 40%, so many more can live.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
There is enough resources, and we keep finding more, and ever finding more substitutes, but corrupt economic systems, and special-interest bribed/campaign contributions govs, hinder the proper economic development, keeping the people poor, and poor people seem to prefer breeding all the more
You are whining that humans are taking over and dominating nature too much? So the "new nature" is humanity? So much better for us humans. Babies want to come alive, even if into crowded lands
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist There's enough resources for what? For us to drain, and leave none for tomorrow. What's the point of us reproducing, if our future pop. have nothing left? What if we don't find substitutes? At least we have a back-up, so try 'thinking' for once.
Have you read my other comment? Maybe, not. Economists such as Thomas Howell, states that bad government and bad polices are only 'part' of the problem. "Only Part!". Still, they include a small amount of economists.
tuberman890 9 months ago
@tuberman890
What's the point of us reproducing? Do I really need to give you the long list of good reasons? Because people want to. Because sex feels good. Because parents don't want to be told how many children they may have. Because people don't want to bother with awkward unnatural, costly "birth control." Even if future pops grow quite huge and dense, billions clever minds will indeed find plenty of substitutes and ideas how to better design for a "crowded" world. Ever hear of arcologies?
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
Bad gov and bad policies, are only part of the poverty problem? What do you want of me? You want me to write an entire book, explaining every minor detail? It's the main part of the problem. The world has places of high pop density, i.e. Hong Kong, that are prosperous, that actually do appear to work. Why doesn't it work everywhere? Because people are depraved/sinful, and everywhere doesn't have the same policies.
High pop is becoming "normal" to many people and they are ADAPTING.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist Don't cry. At least you did your job, spreading God's words. Its just that, contraceptives appeals to more people, than having kids. You just have to accept the fact, that the world's fertility rate is slowing down. When India or the Philippines, soon become a developed country, "I'm sure there pop. growth will decrease", for example, 'Britain' during the industrial age. At this rate, by the year 2040, there is roughly 9 billion people in the Earth, or maybe smaller.
tuberman890 9 months ago
@tuberman890
At least I did my job? So where's my benefit then? What country should I move to, where I can enjoy freedom? U.S. is no longer "the home of the free and the brave." We may have a lot of good people like that, but overall, we are no longer free.
How many countries now are in turmoil, people out in the streets, protesting corrupt gov? So what is wrong with us? Why not more Tea Party protests?
I look at country immigration websites, more bureaucracy, endless hoops to jump through.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist I hate how religious-freaks like you push people into their religion, by also contradicting their religious beliefs, such as teaching of love, forgiveness, and acceptance. By saying something like, "you're going to burn", or "die unbeliever!". Its basically the same thing, as taking individual 'rights' away.
You say so much conspiracies, but yet you have nothing to support it. What do you propose? take economy away, and live like cavemans(which I solely agree, kind of).
tuberman890 9 months ago
@tuberman890
How am I, or people like me, possibly "pushing" religion, if contraceptives ads don't push contraceptives? Seems like you are using selective reasoning there, not being objectively fair at all. If some "religious" people have the good news, doesn't our religious beliefs include the Great Commission to share the good news with the rest of the world? Or should be be shallow hypocrites?
Why do you lump us all together with one group,saying we all shout hell-brimstone,don't show love?
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
Obviously, we don't all evangelize the same way. Yes, there's a need for hell-brimstone preachers, because that's in the Bible. People need to know, that all is not heaven, but that people should be wary of "that other place," that even Jesus oft spoke of. Too many Churches are about fancy buildings, and some sort of circus entertainment show. Something's missing.
I don't have to support conspiracies, for you can google just like I can
Evil elites have rigged economy against poor
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist For the last time, don't even bring up the word economy, because, first of all you do not know anything about it and from the looks of it, you prefer the term, 'communism', which you most likely prefer everything to go into equilibrium.
I suggest you watch, "Louie Theroux-Most hated family in America", because you most likely fit into their little society.
Please! Lay off the 1-page reply. I don't have time for such ridiculous responses.
tuberman890 9 months ago
KUNG MGA BLESSINGS ANG MGA BATA......MAHALIN NINYO; ARUGAIN; HUWAG HAYAAN LALABOY-LABOY SA DAAN NA WALANG SAPLOT SA KATAWAN; NAGNANAKAW AT SUMISINGHOT NG RUGBY! HUWAG NINYONG HAYAAN NA MAGUTOM DAHIL HINDI MATUTUWA ANG DIYOS SA PAGPA-PABAYA NINYO SA BLESSINGS NA INYONG NATAMO!
spacej0ckey 8 months ago
KAPAG TUNAY NA KAYAMANAN YAN MABUTI KUNG HINDI NINYO PAGKA-INGATAN......SIGURADO AKONG TAKOT NA TAKOT KAYONG MANAKAW. DIBA SABI NINYO NA ANG MGA ANAK AY KAYAMANAN? OH! ANG KAYAMANAN NINYO (MGA BATA) HUWAG NINYONG PABAYAAN NA GAGALA-GALA NA PARANG ASONG WALANG MAY-ARI SA LANSANGAN!
spacej0ckey 8 months ago
@tuberman890
We can't take away economy. That makes no sense. Most humans can't be "masters of all trades." Some people do something better, some other people do some other thing better. Thus, from very early on, we have mutually-beneficial voluntary trade. Carrying around your barter chickens, isn't convenient, so we need a tradable currency that holds its value.
Rich elite globalists are using economic manipulation and tax policy to impose socialistic engineering and enslave the masses.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
Get your head out of the matrix, study some "conspiracy theories," and find out the truth. About how a tiny group of evil elites, are harming the entire world and causing unneeded suffering. You don't see all the protests in how many countries?, of people upset with their corrupt govs?
Don't you even watch YouTube? I saw something about how the soon-to-come battle of Armageddon, has to occur, it's like some global revolution of the people against global tyranny. Interesting view.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
I should have said, "untold suffering," as the mainstream misleadia, so-called news, has hardly been reporting the news acccurately at all. If they were, they would be calling the "black boxes" of crashed airplanes, orange boxes. They would go into an aside, about how The Fed is unconstitutional, every time The Federal Reserve is mentioned in the news. They would point out that shortly after the creation of The Fed, we had FDR's Great Depression.Economic manipulation=more Boom/bust
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
Contraceptives appeal to more people? That's because these days, so many "educated" people are selfish and gullible. What for, do you think I so want to warn people against the contraceptives? Contraceptives are a pandemic that is decimating the human pop. My how the devil and demons must be excited at all the people's lives they are destroying, the huge abortion holocaust to "correct" all the contraceptive "failures" that somehow slip by?
Surely by then,a paltry 9 billion can fit
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist Your 'fucking' stupid. Do you know the 'major global impact', if the Amazon forest disappears? Its bad, that it constantly deteriorates every year. The Amazon forest is like the lungs of the Earth, 'its that powerful'. If it is destroyed completely, the oxygen supply would lessen. The indigenous people of this area, are placed on horrible camps, due to lose of habitat. Unfortunately, this is only half of the problem.
tuberman890 9 months ago
@tuberman890
Increasing pop size, isn't just for the individual or family interest, but also serves the collective interests. The more of us there are, the more "collective" there is alive, to benefit. Surely the human race advances far more, by naturally burgeoning its pop size. How else could humans ever hope to advance technology to colonize more worlds, if ever, but by first increasingly "outgrowing" this one, to be "born" into a far better era.
So if people like to breed so much, LET THEM
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
You call me stupid, because you yourself have a small mind? I understand the pop situation far better than you.
I was just talking with somebody at a Church social activity, and he said the reason Israel is so much friendlier than America towards people having naturally-growing, possibly large families, is because they take seriously that thing in the Bible about Abraham's descendants, promised by God, will grow so uncountably numerous as the grains of sand or stars of the sky.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
Don't you understand by now, that the only, and best answer, is that global pop density has to be allowed to naturally increase. There's but only so much land. Around 51 million square miles, not counting Antarctica. With now 7 billion of us, that works out to around 134/square mile, just under 5 acres per person. So where do we find room for all our progeny, perhaps yet to come? Simple, by living and reproducing in closer proximity to others, far more people can fit onto planet.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
Of course, the first response to growing pop, would seem to be to spread out. But upon a spherical world of finite size, there's but so far we can spread out, before we run into ourselves again. But we can also grow together - denser, and we can stack people vertically into pop arcologies-vertical pop-efficient cities, or into highrises. So it's no shame for India or Philippines to have high or dense pop.Rather great honor,shows them doing their part to help planet hold more people
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist Well, what more could we do. People are only self-interested, caring more for their family(like what I am right now), instead of working for a global change, to corruption, destruction to plant-life and animals, etc. Sometimes, people don't know about what's happening, but those who do, just stand there, for we do not have any money.
tuberman890 9 months ago
@tuberman890
Working for a global change? Why should such a change be global tyranny under Anti-Christ? When it could benefit so many more people, to have a globe much more densely and efficiently populated, so there could be found place, for everybody's precious and darling babies, no matter how many or few. Now if the frontiers are supposedly vanishing already, where do we put billions more? Simple. Where we always have. In between all the people already living. Let cities grow larger, closer
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
I do know what is happening. World is growing more alive with people, the devil just hates the image of God spreading, and wants to destroy us. For each person who dies, 3 more are born to replace him or her. People understandably don't want a higher death-rate, why lose people before it's their time, and before they can make their contributions to the world? We understandably don't want to reduce our numbers of joyous births. So we have to scoot over, build more cities, make room.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
Some pop article I read some time ago, said that the numbers of women of childbearing age, is now higher than it has previously been, a major reason why there's so much pop increase. Supposedly, it's not so much anymore that we are having all that many children, but more like that there's just now so many people reproducing. Most everybody and their brother and sister, now grows up and has babies of their own.
Even libs would admit as pop grows, more people become sexually active.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist I don't know why? but I just can't stand letting your mouth spur out ridiculous ideas. So you really think pop. is actually increasing and people are actually adapting? Well, its likely that you have a brain tumor to start with. According to world's population rate growth, western countries(not just the U.S., but countries in Europe) have a slow fertility growth. Even with the developing countries today, such as Indonesia, and other South Asian countries.
tuberman890 9 months ago
@tuberman890
Yeah, the world is dying. While most people live where pops are growing, more and more countries are dipping below "replacement level" fertility, due to the rampant pushing of unnatural contraceptives. Why are we dying? Because of selfishness, turning away from faith in God, stupidity, communist indoctrination tools such as TV. So where's your supposed "overpop?"
Ridiculous ideas? The world is awash in paper fiat currency, and ridiculous ideas. Ever hear of Agenda 21? Evil, absurd
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist The world is dying? there progressing. As more people are 'educated', and leave the religious influence behind, people are actually learning and finally realizing the truth. Sure, contraceptives is on the T.V., but I don't think that's pushing anyone to use it. I don't ever remember a Trojan employee, ringing my doorbell, to shove a condom at my face, like the bible-carriers who stops by often. In my head, I say, "leave it to the church".
tuberman890 9 months ago
@tuberman890
If the world is progressing, then where's the progress? Why are people losing their jobs and homes. Why are the newspapers full of bad news? Why do our savings dwindle in purchasing power, even when you don't have to drain them for expenses, due to say like job or unemployment compensation income?
Education is a huge bait-and-switch against truth. Much of what people are "learning," is false, and is having destructive effects, including "educated" becoming learning-disabled.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
The world is dying? Let's talk of my definition or measure of that then. Below "replacement" fertility implies soon-to-be-declining pops in many places. A graying of the pop, people becoming old, not enough younger workers to replace them. People are becoming discouraged, innovation is waning, freedom in statist countries such as the U.S., is diminishing. Declining pop, older people, lack of progress or retrograde progress, is "dying" to me.
We're becoming arrogant, selfish, evil.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
People don't leave religious influence behind, but rather than faith in God, people switch to rebelling against God and what is good, for pagan earth-worship, "sustainable" development, and other bad ideas that retard progress.
Sounds like you googled Agenda 21, lots of people calling it bad? How could you be so clueless to not have heard of Agenda 21 before? Agenda 21 is anti-pop, anti-progress, anti-prosperity, aims to hurt the poor. Globalists aim for individual doesn't matter.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@tuberman890
Commercials aim to influence behavior and buying habits. How is it not pushing people to use contraceptives, when such commercials aim to sell contraceptives? When do they ever show respect for faith or for big families? When do they ever admit that the natural reproduction is best, and most respectful to the body's natural reproductive rhythms? Why didn't our ancestors have much any use for contraceptives?
If it's not pushing, or influencing, then why $millions for Superbowl ads?
pronatalist 9 months ago
@pronatalist I haven't heard of Agenda 21, until you told me. What do I think about it? Its "wack!", It deliberately take the freedom away. Its puts the loyalty to the state, before personal rights. Its totally unreasonable. However, one idea I do believe in 'Agenda 21', is that we have a responsibility for the Earth, on how we use it.
Economy is economy, you cannot change that. What do you propose we do? That's what I thought, "nothing!".
tuberman890 9 months ago
@22JaneDoe
Of course I don't believe in using any form of "birth control." It interferes with the natural flow of human life. It aims to prevent/eliminate human life. It's unnatural. Family size was long thought "uncontrollable," at least until "the pill" that came out in 1960. Humanity never seemed to have much use for anti-life "family planning" until recently. Why the change? The great falling away from faith, foretold in the Bible. We have more pop-accommodating technology than ever before.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@22JaneDoe
And yet, why is it I notice, that the more more money people seem to have, the more excuses they find to be afraid of growing their families? You would think that the rich people could afford the biggest families, but it seems God gives more children to the poor, since the rich people don't want them. See Psalm 107: 41
Why is it that we seem to have such a myriad of "birth control" methods? Because they are all shoddy, so they invent yet another shoddy method? Babies are blessings.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@22JaneDoe
It doesn't take a lot of imagination, to look around and see lot of places where more people could live. The world, while no longer so empty of people, neither is anywhere full of people either. Most places on the globe, still are rather sparsely populated. There's 3 perceptional dimension that we can still grow into. Outwards, inwards, and upwards.
Starvation is not caused by more mouths to feed, but by corrupted economic systems. People multiply because they are getting food.
pronatalist 9 months ago
@22JaneDoe
There's an overpop theory that says that we have too much food. In the animal kingdom at least, abundance of food fuels "wild" pop growth. Gee, could they make up their minds which to worry us about? Too little, or too much food? Seems like one might cancel the other out?
Most people have the food they need, most of the time. Problem is, due to corrupt economics, poor people can't buy food when their crops fail. Food storage technologies work better, for people who have money.
pronatalist 9 months ago
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BibiyyJennieei535 10 months ago
Fuck you MAYOR ATIENZA. "They made the choice"? You don't give them a choice in the first place! Economic sense? Yes, it makes economic sense that so many Fililipinas have to risk their lives working abroad, sometimes even having to prostitute themselves just to feed their families. FUCK YOU ATIENZA. Our country cannot even sustain our own people and u are proud Filipinos leave for work? YOU should leave. I'd like to see u find a job, a REAL one, not a "politician job" Piece of shit!
sashmiller93 10 months ago
Ang catholico simbahan gustong pumapel sa gobyerno..gusto nilang ipakita na mayroon silang magawa sa kanilang gusto...kaya yung RH bill gustong hinde ipatupad sa gobyerno.
.kaya kapag daming tao..daming miyembro na sumali sa catolico..ang hirap lang sa cultong ito gustong dami na miyembro para makwartahan..
tupasian160 10 months ago
see no condoms or birth control means that typhoons will be god's way of leveling the over population.... Thats how I see it, event ho I am Catholic. To think my priest told me I would solve all my marriage problems by popping out lots of Catholic babies.
delam416 10 months ago
@delam416
But high pop levels has nothing to do with the cause of typhoons. Typhoons are but the natural weather that moves excess heat from the sun, to areas where there is less heat.
Reasons for urging no use of condoms nor of of the supposedly more natural means of "birth control" such as rhythm or pulling out, are not only religious, but practical and natural. Human life was designed to spread, and the real purpose of advancing technology, isn't so much comfort as for pop natural increase.
pronatalist 10 months ago
@delam416
Of course the people should be urged to reproduce naturally, shun the awkward unnatural condoms, and welcome people's precious darling babies regardless of sometimes already big family size or growing pop levels, babies welcomed to keep pushing out unhindered, so that more and more people can experience life. As the world naturally has to grow more dense with people, well what for is all that pop-driven technology growth for anyway? Let there come to be more places with lots of people
pronatalist 10 months ago
there are so many people in the philippines who will even suck the pope's cock if god wills it. catholics in the phils are also willing to twist the facts to make their religious appear intellectually respectable.
xpressivist 11 months ago
Secularism is the key towards progress but due to the strong influence by the Catholic church on the government and the people, this is almost impossible to achieve. So many are misguided by pro-church advocates like this mayor Atienza which is the main reason to expect the country to be in deeper destitution in the future.
jambroco 11 months ago