55 years has passed and they are still using techniques and have the same beliefs. Chiropractic can offer some benefits, but it is time to move from the 19th century to the 21st
@workingstiff76 oh, so because some time has passed, we arbitrarily discard the greatest health discovery in the history of mankind. makers a lot of sense i suppose-if you've lost your mind.
@workingstiff76 oh, so because some time has passed, we arbitrarily discard the greatest health discovery in the history of mankind. makes a lot of sense i suppose-if you've lost your mind.
And as a success story...MVA ultimately reconfigured my body. Severe whiplash caused C1, C2 to glue to my skull, hips off by 10mm, not to mention several bulging discs, 1 herniated disc, and a list of dys-function and dis-ease. MDs pushed drugs and steroid injections. I finally said enough...no more drugs, I love my kidneys and liver. What about a DC? Blessed with a smart and open minded MD who interned in the Neuro department at a prestigious hospital...said YES!! You WILL benefit greatly!!
I found my now mentor and friend who showed me my X-Rays and explained WHY I was having problems. I knew he would ultimately save my life and he did. Was once told I would always live in pain and never compete in sports, run, cycle, do anything active. Have done a 250 mile, 3 day bike ride 2 years after care, and am training for a triathlon as well as the Chicago Half Marathon.
Why do you think that is?? Simple. The power that MADE the body, HEALED the body. Chiropractic simply is a tool for removing the interference. The power that made the body, heals the body. Turn the LIGHTS on! FYI...my hips are becoming level, most of the curve has returned to my neck, AND..the C6-T1 scoliosis is returning to normal and taking the interference away from my thyroid, which is returning to normal function.
Loved this! Thank you for posting...looking at most of the comments, I must say I am disappointed in the behavior with other viewers. Sounds like egos are getting in the way. Personally, I am a prospective DC student looking at two of the best schools in the USA. From the DC standpoint, we should be coming together as one vs fighting amongst ourselves. There are still far too many ignorant or maybe MDs who are afraid of losing patients to fight with..not to mention the AMA.
@MoMosheshow And before any of the allopathic docs voice their opinion, I am a walking success story of Chiropractic saving my life and while the Allopathic approach wanted to poison my systems. There is scientific evidence available as well as research which supports the theory of Palmer.
@MoMosheshow DC has more hours then MD programs. MDs spend more time learning about toxicology and pharmacology then the body, while DCs spend more time learning about the body. Malpractice insurance...MDs higher while DC is one of the lowest.
@drsoandso... Congratulations on spending umpteen hours debating philosophical questions that thousands of other health care foolhardy minds are busy concentrating on while patients continue to suffer. Wake up! chiropractic care has shown time and time again to help numerous patients. No, it is not the end-all, say-all answer to every condition, but it is a safe, non-invasive approach that is effective in many cases. Check your ego at the door and focus on helping your patients!
@hiodr… You’re no better of a doc than any of the countless hypocrites who try to promote that they have patient-centered practices yet devote limitless hours to useless blogs. You would NOT be here today without the integrations of medicine. Realize your limitations, focus on what you can do to help your patients today, and bite your tongue. Stop distorting chiropractic into something its not!
@drsoandso and @hiodr… You are both pathetic individuals. You wonder why health professionals get such appalling, conflicting views from our society? It might be because you interest your minds in proving with unethical, corruptive, ill-gotten information who has the bigger “gonads”. While you waste time debating… your patients suffer. As a future practicing professional, I hope I never become either of you. Instead I will interest my focus on my patients.
@drsoandso hey slimeball, keep your mother out of this. you're no more than a pill-pushing drug company employee who never got a sick person well in their life. deal with it.
@hiodr I think it was Adolf Hitler who once famoulsy remarked that if you tell a lie often enough, it eventually becomes the truth. I guess that explains your continued insistence that medical science has it all wrong, laboring away under the yolk of the pharmaceutical industry.
If that were true it would be the greatest conspiracy, ever perpetrated in the history of mankind.
I know that such a notion holds enourmous appeal for you, but in your heart of hearts you know the truth is other...
@drsoandso it's the medical business that is based on lies, and it's all done for the love of stinking money. it is a conspiracy and a subplot within a much bigger plan. you are entirely clueless, lost in your little drug-induced delusional world. you don't know anything.
@hiodr and with that fascinating little delusional dissertation on the tangled web of medical deception and conspiracy my rational mind recoils in abject horror for the last time...
Serioulsy, I dont know which is crazier... your apparent believe in the legitimacy of what your saying, or the fact that you could even believe we are smart enough to pull of just a thing. You really do give us far to much credit, but thanks for the preverse complement... I think...
@drsoandso lest you flatter yourself for being credited with this monstrosity, it is not the rank and file i am referring to. many are driven by the same corrupt motives, but most can't see beyond the ends of their noses and are what marx would refer to as "useful idiots". however one medical doctor who was in on it once gave a lecture on the overall plan a couple decades ago.
@hiodr Im really disappoint you didnt treat me to a spirted defense for your professions pathetic practice failure and student loan default rates. Im sure you blame that on big pharma too dont you?
At least try your hand at defending the British Chiropractic Associations shameful (and disasterously failed) attempt to suppress freedom of speech. Simon Sighn is your worse nightmare!
@drsoandso chiropractic doesn't fail, medicine does. student loans have nothing to do with the practice of chiropractic. i don't know any simon singh, and he whoever he is, he isn't me, so big deal. you keep trying to evade the fact that you can't get sick well and a highly compensated failure is a failure just the same, but then money is your god, so that's another difference between medicine and the truth.
@hiodr Simon Sighn is a PhD physicist in England who was sued by the British Chiropractic Association for liable few years ago when he publically pronouced that chirpractic treatment for infant colic was "bogus". Not only was the suit eventually dismissed, but by the time the dust settled 1 in 4 British chiropractors was under formal investigation for making unlawful claims about their practices. To say their tactic backfired is an understatement... you really should try harder to keep up!
@drsoandso why would i care about that? i corrected the problem in a 4 month old myself. big deal. pseudoscientist whores for the medical establishment are a dime a dozen. a little dope money buys you all the "studies" and presstitute media time you want. as if i would be impressed with such transparent garbage. well damn! i'll just have to go get all my patients and tell them they really don't feel better! they're just making it all up to deceive me! what kind of blithering idiot are you?
@hiodr It never does cease to amaze (and amuse) me that there really are still a few of you "true believers" in 18th vitalism left out there. Ill bet you believe in magnetic healing, crystal energy and "auras" too...
You belong in a museum to failed, outdated and obsolete philosophies of the prescientific era, right up there with homeopathy and naturopathy... but then again, I suspect that you would consider that to be a place of honor given your ah-inspiringly warped world view.
@drsoandso it doesn't amuse me when i hear of people coming from medics with a mild pancreatitis and the quack m.d. suggesting they get their pancreas cut out. it's most of allopathic mickey mouse medicine that is long obsolete. chiropractic revealed the cause and correction for most disease, but the puny, greedy medical mind could only think how to suppress it, and has tried about every dirty underhanded trick imaginable to do so. it's no coincidence that it's symbol is the snake.
@hiodr Your even further off your rocker than I feared... for starters, I and everyone in my practice (staff/physicians) got the annual influenza vaccine (and the H1N1 vaccine a few years back). As for profit motive we are lucky to break even (sometimes loss money) of vaccine administration... hardly a motive to con the unsuspecting masses onto out "clutches".
You really need to stop listening to those nasty voices in your head and seek help (do they have chiropractic psychiatrists these days?)
@drsoandso vaccines cause illness. they don't prevent it. no profit, for you? maybe. a former defense sec and his cronies made a killing on the bird flu scare. i heard he personally pulled 5 mil from his stock in gilead sciences who make that junk that makes people delusional or worse. par for the course for someone who was hired to get neurotoxic aspartame past the fda. your judgement and reputation stink. can't figure out why a woman would turn down castration with medicine's stellar record?
mayo took his wife for care, but that's as far as he dared to go. he didn't have the honesty or integrity to tell the public what he had discovered. apparently he had too much to lose personally. he did, however, covertly refer some patients to dr. palmer afterward. you wanna talk about cults, well that's what you belong to. the cult of pseudoscientific disease maintenance and causation, euphemistically called "health care". most medical procedures are without scientific basis whatsoever.
@hiodr reality check: Mayo took his wife to palmer for knee pain, she saw him for 2 months, Mayo refused to address palmer as Dr and never stated that his treatments did his wife any good. There is no evidence that he ever referred to him.
Just keep on jousting at windmills Don Quixote DC, the world of science and reason has left you behind in the rubbish of the prescientific era along with homeopathy and naturopathy (as well as blood letting and leaches).
@drsoandso you don't say? charles didn't stand up and tell the world and his masters at the ama what a wonderful discovery he found in chiropractic, abandon his license, reputation, hospital, posh lifestyle for the sake of the truth? gee, i wonder why. seems charles didn't have the backbone, but very few would, although i do know of a neurologist with chronic arm pain that none of his colleagues could help. he finally went to an upper cervical specific chiropractor, got well, then became one.
@hiodr Interesting assumption on your part that just because Mayo and palmer once in the same room that he (Mayo) must have gleaned the "truth" of chiropractic, but deviously decided to hide it from the world. You tell that fairytale to your grandkids as night?
I know a veterinarian, dentists, physical therapists, pharmacist... oh, and a few chriopractors that when on to medical school. You dont hear me trying to use that a a defense of my profession, but then I dont really need to unlike you.
@hiodr what "medical procedures" are referring too? PAP smears, colonoscopy, bronchoscopy, esophogastroduodenoscopy, cardiac cathiterization, cystoureteroscopy? None of that has any scientic basis at all?
Seriously dude.. open mouth, insert foot.
I can only imagine your "expert opinion" on immunology and vaccines... Ill bet your on the short list for the Nobel Prize there (oops... sorry, forgot they dont award one for chiropractic).
@drsoandso treatment procedures. i noticed how you avoided including them. wait until the public finally figures out for sure who's behind the autism epidemic. vaccines-one of the most stupid and dangerous things the medical mind has conjured to inflict on humanity. last week an md vaccinated twins. the first was vaccinated, then died. the second was vaccinated. she died. the medic disappeared. in the recent whooping cough problem in san diego, two thirds of the victims were just vaccinated.
@hiodr OK... exactly which "treatment" (not "medical procedures" did you have in mind as being "without scientific basis whatsoever": colposcopy, dilation and curettage, bunionectomy... work with me here, Im racking my brains trying to think of what on Earth your babbling on about (not that I imagine you have any clear idea).
Last time I checked caths, bronchs, EGD's and cystos were "treatment" as well as diagnostic procedures, but then maybe a DC would know better.
@hiodr I just have to ask... do you believe in "medical" marijuana? Come on, you can admit it... you know that you make a little exception for that one in your anti-pharma/anti-medicine/anti-mainstream world view.
@drsoandso you're the dope head, not me. i know medical types are some of the greatest "samplers" of their own poison. of course their dope bought media soft peddles their drug abuse, tries to put it in a sympathetic light, after all, they're God's gift (more like curse) to society. it's another good reason to stay away from them, that and wondering if their prescription is supposedly for your good or to get a free vacation from their connection.
@hiodr Ah, Ill bet those were the good old day back when the reps could set you up with a trip to the Bahama's and buy you a nice new set of golf clubs to go with it. Sadly those day have been gone for well over twenty years. Cant even get a "branded" pen or post-it note pad these days.
Still, Ill bet the guy (or gal) that sold you your last traction table or xray machine hooked you right up.
@hiodr Isnt it interesting that the antivaccine wacko crouds last great MMR=autism study was just proven to be one big fraud?
Oh wait, dont tell me... that was just one huge set up by big bad pharma to keep posioning babys.
Does this twin killing MD have a name, or are you just pulling that one out of your ass too?
Can you explain the eradication of small pox and the enormous decrease in the incidence of once routine childhood infectious disease without immunization? Didnt think so...
@drsoandso says the establishment that promotes and profits from it, which means nothing. it's called sanitation and nutrition. vaccination causes disease, it doesn't prevent it. you can shovel your pharma bought bullshit "studies" all day. they aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
@hiodr Wow, it was sanitiation and nutrition that managed to eradicated small pox in Africa, India and the whole of the subindian continent... somebody better tell them that, Im sure that would be big news in Somalia, Darfur and Calcutta.
Sometimes I wonder if you even try to reason out your witty little retorts at all.
Just out of curiosity, do you vaccinate your pet for rabies, or is big pharma out to get your dog/cat too?
@hiodrStill sticking to your "sanitation and nutrition" argument for the eradication of small pox in India and Africa? I know that one is a real stretch for you, but I could use another good laugh before Im done picking you apart.
@drsoandso you're too much a buffoon to pick anyone apart. you stumble on a chiropractic video like a monkey stumbles onto a piano. he uses it to make noise, but has no real idea what it is about. traction is your useless therapeutic garbage, don't accuse me of practicing your mickey-mouse crap. your patients are sick, getting sicker, and there's not a damn thing you can do to change that. you just try to ease their descent to the grave with your poison pills, while often accelerating it.
@hiodr Come on big guy... your gonna have to answer my question sooner or later... are you really sure that "sanitation and nutrition" are all it took to eradicate small pox from India and Africa decades ago... ignoring the question wont make it go away.
You know that the logical extension of your argument would require you to stop me by force if needed from harming, even killing people everyday if thats was really what you believed I/we in the medical world were doing. What say you zealot?
@drsoandso of course it's bullshit, but then most all of medicine is. i know hearing the truth after all your brainwashing puts you at risk of a breakdown, but the truth is a good thing. might as well flush the crap out of your head now, so you can have a place for some truth. it seems you haven't learned anything from this video. all you've done is regurgitated the party line, nothing more than i've already heard ad nauseum. still, you can't explain what chiropractic is. you've learned nothing.
on the contrary. i'm not the pusher for the drug company, the hmo employee who sells their patients out for a dollar. worse yet is the disease and death the products you peddle cause. what kind of imbecile thinks giving a sick person toxic chemicals will make them healthy? you people maintain and create sickness, you don't cure it. you haven't a clue what chiropractic is, nor want to, because it helps expose the lie of medicine.
My best Chiropractor; Dr Crusade in Sacramento, CA uses this method. I had spent years and years looking for relief from my migraines. Dr Crusade - using this method, cured me of my migraines. I wish I lived in the area again because I've injured my neck again and have gone to two different chiro's who can't fix it. I'm stuck and can't turn my head to the right. I miss you Dr Crusade!
If you think that's marvelous, then you are a very easily impressed chap. Whilst on the subject, chirorpactic47 is selling his 1992 Hyundia Sonata saloon car and he wondered if you'd be interested (you being so easily imporessed, and all that).
I have to be quite honest and say I was more impressed by a loud fart I recent;y did in the bath than anything BJ palmer has every done. Although MrsDrHo wouldn't necessarily agree on that one
@DrLaurenceHo Man aren't thou a jerk? Hey Ho, as marvelous is yer faux Limey accent is so is my late model Jaguar S-Type R. Yes, my fair pea brained jerk off, Ironiclly I drive an Englishmans car. Hey! Let's pit yer Toyota Carolla against my Jag? So how's the Mrs. Ho? LMAO! Is she a "Real" good Ho? Or just an ugly bitch with droopy fun bags? LOL! You don't have to answer that one, we know already. LMAO!
Good folks viewing this video, please excuse "ospreyshit" posts. No matter how much research we threw at this sorry ass excuse for a humanoid, he will always shill "lack of evidence". What "ospreyshit" fails to notice is he himself is a subject in our study of master troller/shills. Thanks to "ospreypoop's", we've gathered sufficient evidence to claim that he like other medical trolls; have no life. They are mentally and spirtually dead people. Numbed by the very system (medicine) they covet.
If you will excuse my poor use of the American language, you are one serious arse hole, in fact. And you are talking out of it. On the other foot, this Ospreylookout gentleman sounds like a bloody good chap who knows his carrots. And laid6103 - I like the cut of his jib, too
And I bet they drive a much better car than you and don't have to read gentlemen's art magazines at bedtime.
@DrLaurenceHo "...multiple subluxations" Oh, one minute yer lambasting vertebral subluxations, the next their here? Shhhh (whisper) I hear your supervisor coming down the hallway. Quick!, git mopping the floor. LMAO!!
Good folks viewing chiropractic videos. I'm a 20 year chiropractic doctor providing 500+ pv/week with primary chiropractic health care. Those who feel their vitality is at stake will attack chiropractic which has a legitimate role in providing proven and effective holistic primary health care. Chiropractic causes "them" to question their own legitimacy and vitality. Change is tough for anyone. Let's help the trolls and shills who are trying hard to deny you of chiropractic change. Thank you.
chiro: You are pathetic. You can't do better than provide and encourage propaganda. You are so screwed up that you actually encourage parents to avoid vaccinating their kids. You trash medicine by offer abslultey no evidence for your quackery and that sell to the gullible. You get frustrated by being confronted with your dishonesty and all you can do is fill the screen full of profanities. YOU ARE THE POSTER-BOY FOR CHIROPRACTIC: Under-educated with a religious and fanatical fear of evolution.
chiro: Do you think that your bragging about the number of people you push through the office in a week is somehow impressive for people taking a critical eye on your profession? You have been asked numberous time to provide revidence to support your outrageous claims for treating, for example, children, and you can only come up with some mysterious, 3 page article that is unretrievable through my university's portal (hmm?), or a book, pitifully written. NO EVIDENCE = FRAUD!!!!
#2 Guardian, online: The statement, supported by just 29 citations, was ripped apart by bloggers within 24 hours of publication, before being subjected to a further shredding in the British Medical Journal. It emerged that 10 of the papers cited had nothing to do with chiropractic treatment, and several weren't even studies. The remainder consisted of a small collection of poor-quality trials.
Guardian, online: Further criticism has been focused on the BCA's presentation of supporting data, in particular its claim that a "plethora" of evidence backs the effectiveness of chiropractic in treating various childhood illnesses. Last year, facing demands that the BCA engage in scientific debate over its position, the association released its "plethora" to the public. Cont on #2.
Guardian UK: Furious backlash from Simon Singh libel case puts chiropractors on ropes. Now even the General Chiropractic Council has disowned the claims of the BCA the same claims that lie at the centre of its libel action against Simon Singh. In a new report, it concludes that the evidence does not support claims that chiropractic treatment is effective for childhood colic, bed-wetting, ear infections or asthma, the very claims that Singh was sued for describing as "bogus".
I suggest that anyone interested, Google the Guardian UK for the story entitled, Furious backlash from Simon Singh libel case puts chiropractors on ropes; One in four chiropractors in Britain are under investigation as a result of campaign by Singh supporters, by Martin Robbins.
chiro: You calim to treat kids and yet the evidence does not demonstrate the evidence for your QUACKERY. Study: 100 infant randomised, blinded, placebo controlled clinical trial concluded that Chiropractic spinal manipulation is no more effective than placebo in the treatment of infantile colic (Olafsdottir, Forshei, Fluge & Markestad; 2001; Arch Dis Child. 2001 Feb;84(2):138-41).
chiro: Show us the evidence if it exists. Every legitimate piece of published research found in peer-reviewed journals is stored in databases such as Medline. There are searched by using the information: author, year, title of study, Journal name, so why won't you provide any evidence to the public? Why are you lying to the people? You are hiding the truth--there is no evidence for most of the garbage you claim. You are a fraud.
chiro: Why is it that you are unable to demonstrate education in health science at a level of a high school graduate, nor can you apparently be bothered to provide any indication that you know anything about evidence-based practice. Is it simply a matter of lack of education or are you really trying to defraud the public with unsubstantiated claims? You have yet to provide a single searchable citation (author, title, yr, Journal) that supports your claims. All you seem to be able to do is swear.
@lald6103 After the initial consultation and examination (includes x-ray) an average of 3 1/2 minutes per patient hands on then each person recieves an average of 5 minutes of therapuetic modalities.
@chiropractic47 : Where is the evidence that supports all the claims you make? You claim to treat infant colic yet there is no evidence. You claim that childhood vaccinations are bad, but again, this has never been deonstrated. You claim all sorts of things but never once have you ever shown any evidence. You have only ever shown your ability to use profanities. Quackery!!
@ospreylookout "...childhood vaccinations are..." not bad? Tell that to the parents of my office who lost their children to autism following the MMR vaccination. Hey ospreypoop, why did the former director of the CDC go on th record that she felt vaccinations cause broad spectrum disorders? You're unbelievable???
@lald6103 8.5 minutes of correction care and lifestyle counseling (includes everything, even the elimination of deadly prescription drugs) versus 30 minutes of collecting symptoms, blood, and urine (DC's can do this too), then dispensing drugs or cutting out the bodies "bad" tissues?...mmmm, I'll hedge that the chiropractic patient will fare better than his/hers medical counterpart (and they usually do).
In my country, DC's cant send blood and urine off to the lab.
The diff bw you and me is that i send people off for necessary xrays, whereas you use it as a screening tool. Virtually all of your patients gets an xray as an investigation. What's worse is that YOU analyse the xray - MDs leave this to specialist radiographers, who can pick up things you and I can't.
Quite simply, if you're telling patients on prescription drugs to stop taking them, you're asking for a lawsuit.
@lald6103 One day Aussie DC's may choose to expand their scope of practice? Perhaps it's best they don't as a means to keep it simple? American DC's recieve substancially more x-ray training than their MD counterparts. My patients discuss weaning off a prescription drug with the MD in the loop. Allopathic medicine is badly in need of a revamp...the "dispense a drug for everything" is getting very stale mate.
Until Aussie DC's obtain a medical degree, they are not allowed to expand their scope of practice. I would argue that what they have now is already too much.
You're talking to an MD who is strictly opposed to the "dispense a drug for everything" mentality. Those days are fading away, especially in Australia. However, this does not mean that prescription drugs are all bad, or unnecessary. The large majority of them are.
@lald6103 "Does everyone recieve unnecessary radiation?" What!? And your a medic? I just can't wait till the patient and his/hers family thank me for exercising my superior (over that of medicines) chiropractic primary health care education...when I inform them they have a vertebral compression fracture from trauma or osteoporosis, or metastatic disease, or they have spina bifida, spondylolisthesis, hip dysplasia, dislocated humerus, etc. Why are you so self destructive?
Arora N, Martins D, Ruggerio D, et al.(2008).Effectiveness of a noninvasive digital infrared thermal imaging system in the detection of breast cancer. Am. J. Surg. 196 (4): 5236.
MDs DO use thermograms, but only as an adjunct to mammography. This is because mammography has a false positive rate of 7% (false negatives 0.5%), so a positive result may not mean cancer.
Again, though, mammography is only indicated for women between 40-55, once per 2 years. You xray everyone!
@lald6103 Hey Aussie MD...you just recieved more x-ray today in that bright Aussie sun of yours than you'll get from my tiny x-ray machine. You can cut the chiropractic x-ray thing now. "It" hasn't worked for ya. Especially in light of how many unnecessary CAT-Scans (humongous x-ray exposure) are performed by MD's each year.Think of some other anti-chiropractic propaganda item I can smack down for ya? This is fun!
@lald6103 Chiropractic doctors don't "...believe all disease originates in the spine". Knowledable DC's and MD's know that a dyfunctional spine can lead to nerve interference and that the immune response can be enhanced by a chiropractic spinal adjustment. Last year the former director of the Center of Disease Control went on the record that she knows that vaccinations cause broad spectrum disorders (ADHD, Autism, etc.). And the Aussie medic recieves a chiropractic doctor bitch slap! Ouch!
Ok, well why aren't quadriplegics absolutely riddled with disease then? Because you're wrong. No reasonable MD would believe that "spinal dysfunction" significantly interferes w immunity.
MMR vaccine: You're lying again. Read the evidence. The Center for Disease control in February 2004 performed a population-based case-controlled study of 624 cases and 1,824 matched controls, and found no evidence to support an association between MMR and autism.(PMID 14754936)
@lald6103 Hey I thought you were a doctor and understood, for obvious reasons, that quadraplegics don't live long lives. Let's take Franklin Roosevelt, polio delegated him to a wheelchair for most of his life. How did he die and at what age? Christopher Reeves (Lived near my office and I was doctor to his head nurse), died from respiratory disease. Quadrapalegics do become "riddled with dis-ease". The CDC will never conduct a viable study for the publics best interest.
Reeve was not a healthy person before his accident. He suffered from asthma and allergies since childhood, and nearly died from anaphylaxis a number of times. At age sixteen, he began to suffer from alopecia areata. Before his accident, he suffered from several illnesses, including infectious mononucleosis, malaria, superior mesenteric artery syndrome and mastocytosis.
He actually died from heart failure.
You weren't a "doctor" to anyone - you were a chiropractor. BIG difference.
@lald6103 How you managed to bull shit your way through med school? (clap, clap). D= "Real Doctor" LOL! You can't impress a DC with 500 more hours of primary care education than an MD. Folks, Christopher Reeves died from chronic umangeable and infected bed sores. Yes, all the maladies you list will eventually be compounded for a quadrapalegic, and infection will ultimately lead to heart failure. Google the subject, you probably slept through it in med...LOL!...school...LOL!
@lald6103 Your concerned about a tiny low powered spine x-ray? When you should be concerned about mammograms, which emit 100X times more x-ray radiation than a standard spine x-ray, and can potentially cause cancerous cells to leave the breast due to crushing the breast between the x-ray bucky...performed one to two times a year? Why dupe the chick into mammogram when a thermogram which unlike mammograms are non evasive, more accurate, and without false positives? Something smells?
If chiropractic was effective, t well-designed RCTs with large sample sizes would have been published with the results for everyone to see and replicate. If you had done this, we wouldn't even be having these arguments. We'd probably be working together.
To cover you lack of evidence-base up, you instead attack mainstream medicine and spew out false statistics and bizarre interpretations of the truth to shun ill-informed people away from it and towards chiropractic.
@lald6103 you're another ignorant dope-peddling imbecile who hasn't got a clue what you're talking about. ever read the labels on that poison you dispense you quack? you cause disease, you don't cure a damn thing, unless you consider being alive to be an illness.
@hiodr I never said drugs aren't dangerous. They can be very dangerous. However, the risk of dying or having quality of life threatened by an untreated illness greatly outweighs the risk of taking the drugs MDs dispense to treat them. As a matter of course, this is supported by evidence from clinical trials, and doses of appropriate drugs are titred to be given at the lowest effective dose.
This is quite a lot more than I can say for chiropractic, which may be benign, but is also quite useless.
@lald6103" first do no harm..." right. lying hypocritical charlatans. you haven't got a clue what chiropractic is, so your opinion equates to a zero with a rim knocked off-nothing, or do you presume your medical degree bestows you with omniscience like most? how can you look your patients in their glazed, doped up eyes day after day, and have no conscience of the fraud medicine perpetrates on them? you know they're not getting well, so why don't you find an honest line of work?
@hiodr right... and chiropractic is the reason for the ever expanding length of human life expectancy in this country, not modern medicine.
Big bad "meds" are the devil and your going to save us all from our nastly little subluxations with your "adjustments"... an honest line of work in deed. \
@drsoandso that's right. the brainwashed, medicated mind, you mean. what do you know? nothing of value to sick, or you'd get them well and they wouldn't see us. after all you've got the dope money bought media in your pocket, partnership with the government, and a population indoctrinated into your pseudoscientific bullshit from birth going for you. all that, and people still turn their back on you. it's obvious. people are deciding they don't want what you're selling.
@hiodr that's right... there is something like a 2-3 months wait for a routine appt in my office and Im not even taking new patients (havent for months now) because Im too damn busy... so exactly who is it thats turning their back on me? Not the half dozen or so folk who call on average everyday trying to get a new patient appt.
As for the useless horseshit your peddling, at least I dont have to advertize via junk mail or set up a "free spinal exam" booth at the county fair like you losers!
@hiodr cut the crap moron... "spinal subluxation" is not the fundamental underlying pathophysiology of atherosclerosis, beta cell failure/insulin resistance, emphysema, colon cancer or any other "dis-ease" and you damn well know it.
You get off on preaching Palmer's gospel because theres a quick buck in for you and you just love the notion that your somehow "sticking it to the man" when it comes to mainstream medicine.
Your not fooling nealy as many as you desperately want to believe you are.
@drsoandso maybe so. they're too sick and doped up to think straight. and how many did you get well? not a damn one of them. so go brag to yourself in the mirror. i know better.
@hiodr I just love the occasional chiropractor that comes through my office... somehow, after their first (or second) MI/CVA or episode of diabetic ketoacidosis, all my evil pills and needles dont quite seem so bad after all.
All that talk about big pharma melts away when its time for your first round of chemo or RXT for that tumor you were just sure your "innate intellegence" would surely keep at bay as long as you were "subluxation free"... really kind of sweet and sad at the same time.
@drsoandso so what do you do to correct the cause of this. nothing. you can't. you don't know what it is. so, medicine has a legitimate place. problem is, it's only about ten percent of what they presume it to be. it's called first aid. dealing with present or imminent crises which are too damaged for correcting a nerve interference cause alone to resolve. outside that, they're just playing with effects, causing more problems with their mickey-mouse attempts at suppressing symptoms. it's failure
@hiodr oh no your on to us, our grand conspiracy is thwarted.
And to think that 18th century vitalism had it right all along... oh the humanity!
Too bad science & reason triumphed over the "truth" of "innate intelligence", relegating the likes of you to the lunatic fringe where you belong.
Stick to your strip mall patient mills and push your silly supplements and chelation with your useless adjustments (dont forget to use your little "activator"). Didnt I see your ad in the local shop & swap?
@drsoandso right. you're so brainwashed you probably go home every night and memorize all the bullshit literature you get from your dope connection reps you get payola from. your bungling is obsolete and has been for over a hundred years. your nurses, who have more sense than you and less arrogance, come to see us behind your back. you can't even take care of your own people, you're such pathetic losers. mechanism is the false philosophy of the narcissist fool.
@hiodr "mechanism is the false philosophy of the narcissist fool"... is that your complete and utter renunciation of science and the scientific method in favor of your century year old vitalistic philosophy?
Basically you dont want to know how the body really works because the physiology just might not mesh (at all) with the subluxation theory to which you cling so desperately... that is beyond pathetic.
P.S. you can even get a pen or post it note from a rep these days... so much for "payola".
@drsoandso you don't know how the body works. page 4 gray's anatomy 29ed- "the nervous system CONTROLS AND COORDINATES ALL organs and structures of the human body". how the hell do you get a doctor degree when you don't even understand the simplest and most basic principle of human physiology? if chiropractic principle is false, then why do people leave their medic and use their chiropractor as primary care provider?
@hiodr chiropractor as a primary care provider? So you TREAT insulin dependent diabetes mellitis, hypertension, hypothyroidism, urinary tract infections, pneumonia, ect. with your adjustments (and supplements, chelation and "lifestyle counseling"), provide PAP smears, biopsy skin lesions, do digital recal exams for prostate cancer screening, ect. Ya, right... primary care provider my ass.
Even the most inflated numbers put annual chiropractic use at 1 in 30 Americans at most. You loss.
@drsoandso no, you dullard, you don't get it, like i said. chiropractic doesn't treat anything. it is solely concerned with correcting the cause of nerve interference. mickey-mousing symptoms is your specialty, not mine. people do get better from the problems you listed when the cause is corrected. of course you are totally clueless as to what it is, as i said before.
@hiodr the average MD/DO has forgotten more about the "cause" of human pathophysiology than even the brightest DC will ever know... its all spinal subluxation like some kind of boggy man or gremlin... never proven because its a figment of your collective imagination. The whole foulacy is more like a cult or religion really, and I can see that you drank the koolaid a long time ago.
Again, as a "primary care provider" do you do cancer screening and insulin management or is that a little much?
@drsoandso horsecrap. if you knew the cause of disease, then why don't you correct it so your patients can regain their health, instead of just feeding them poison pills until they die from the disease, your treatment, or more probably, both? you holding out on them? you mean you can really correct the cause but you won't? no. you're just as blind as your patients, and when you get sick, you'll end up in the same ditch you helped put them in.
@hiodr you simple solutionists never fail to amuse me, ah but that it was really that simple: bone in the spine out of place/pressure on a nerve/adjust the sublixation/the body heals itself... kind of like a little fairy tale that mothers tell there children. Is that how you got duped into it?
How did Palmer cure deafness by manipulating the neck when the auditory nerve doesnt pass anywhere near the cervical spine? Maybe it was magic, or even little healing fairys at work... makes sense to you?
@drsoandso what an ignoramus. got out your little nerve chart, did you? we're talking about CORD impingement. the nervous system is far more complicated than your little chart shows. take one mid-thoracic spinal nerve root and dissect it out. it has over 250 branches, some going up to the face. like i said, you people are practicing the "health care" of a hundred years ago, with modern gadgets, but using the same assanine, symptom suppressive approach. that's why you fail to get sick well.
@hiodr thats a good one... never seen one of you quacks reach quite that far to defend your messiah... gotta give you credit for orginality. You should try scientology... they could your skill at creative fiction.
@drsoandso what's the matter? run out of bullshit excuses for being a failure? you're just completely ignorant. come here to try and learn something, or just show off how stupid you are? go push your pills, and leave the profession of getting sick well to those who know how.
@drsoandso you don't know how the body works. "the nervous system CONTROLS AND COORDINATES ALL organs and structures of the human body"- GRAY'S ANATOMY P4, 29ED. is that too far over your MEDICATED MIND to grasp? how the hell do you get a doctor's license when you fail to understand the most basic principle of human physiology? don't lie to me. i see the cardiologist across from me, the one whose patient had a enlarged heart and a death sentence, whose life i saved, getting greased by dopers.
@hiodr indeed the nervous system does control and coordinate the human body... that does not mean that "spinal subluxation" interfer with it, or even exist in the first place.
Now tell the truth... if started having crushing substernal chest pain w/ radiation to your left neck and jaw, diaphoresis, ect. would you head for another chiropractor (to presumably adjust it away) or that cardiologist across the way? We both know the answer to that, so just on keep saving lives in your wildest dreams.
@drsoandso are you brain infarcted or what? how many times do i have to repeat the same thing? medicine-first aid. medicine- chronic illness-hopeless. the "doctor" said she had a "virus". how convenient- a cause no one can see. he gave her five years. fifteen years later, she's doing better than when she started. no, she didn't come in for heart problems, but for chronic arm pain. chiropractors know upper extremity problems and heart problems go together, and are often from the same cause.
@hiodr chiropractic=placebo effect at best=useless
I have little doubt that this patient in question had coxsackie virus which is idiopathic and often time improves no matter what one does. Im sure your convinced that your spinal adjustment somehow saved the day, but, well... wanna be like you just dont know what you dont know... again, kind of cute and sad and frankly scary given that there are gullible people out there that actually think you know what your talking about.
@drsoandso measuring disease is your specialty, correcting it's cause is chiropractic's. if you're sick, which is of value? idiopathic-you mean idiotic. you can apply that, and iatrogenic to most everything you deal with, although your most common bullshit excuses for your failure are, "it's stress, it's age, everyone gets it, it's hereditary", excuses that chiropractic has proven to be lies time and again in most cases. any clod can dope someone into anesthesia. chiropractors restore health.
@hiodr all of your would be argument here is predicated on the notion that "spinal subluxation" is in point of fact the cause of disease... you clearly believe that, you desperately need to believe that, otherwise your entire world view would start to come apart at the seams.
New flash... it just isnt so, and all the wishfull thinking in the world on your part isnt going to change that.
Your the one living a lie... the "bullshit excuses" for disease are yours, not mine. Deal with it.
@drsoandso oh really? what evidence do you have to back that up with? NONE. why? because it's a lie. you remind me of one of the many occaisions dr. palmer debated medics about chiropractic. they said subluxations don't exist. he told them, ok if they don't exist, you won't mind if i induce one in your neck. of course, they immediately hit reverse and chickened out on his offer. same with dr. charles mayo, who brought his wife to dr. palmer for help. at least they cooperated, so she got well.
@hiodr ah the cant disprove a double negative argument... cant believe it took you so many posts to pull that one out. Fortunately, in legitimate scientific circles, I dont have to disprove your theory. Dont you think that in over 100 years you could have managed something like compelling proof beyond anecdote and legend?
How many chiropractors does the Mayo Clinic employ? If the cofounder thought any or you were worth a damn Im sure yoi could still find a few around there... no?
@drsoandso you don't have a clue what legitimate science is. all your so-called studies and their conclusions are bought with dope money from big pharma. there's abundant proof of chiropractic. go find it. for now you'll just have to wonder how we get sick well when you people fail to.
@hiodr The only 2 patients I ever had who decided to forgo "traditional" medicine for "alternative" therapy, i.e. chiropractic were both dead within 6 months (one from uterine cancer that could have been treated with hysterectomy, the other from HIV/AIDS that had been well controlled on triple retrovirals)... both paid for their choices with their lives. The chiropractic "physician" that "treated" them "failed at practice" within a year. There is a special place in hell waiting for him Im sure!
@drsoandso there is a special place in hell for quack vaccine pushers who destroy children's lives. how many of your patients have died from the effects of drugs you prescribed? how many people who started with a minor illness have been killed by medical mickey-mouse attempts at symptom suppression that made them worse and worse until they died? it happens every day and you know it, so get off your high horse. chiropractors aren't the ones who pay 50-100k malpractice insurance a year.
@hiodr Ah.. there it is, the malpractice argument... what took you so long. Never mind that you rarely see truely sick people and have a MUCH lower standard of care to meet. If you delivered babys, managed ICU patients, ect. someone might expect something from you but since you would have no earthly idea what you were doing theres little danger anyones ever will (expect much of anything from you that is).
@drsoandso sure. you conveniently left out the contribution from plain screwing up, even according to medical standards. if you added on all the deaths from prescription drugs for which you are not held liable but are at fault for nonetheless, you'd be out of business in six months.
To the good folks viewing this video who are sincerely intrigued and interested in chiropractic, please feel free to post and/or contact me regarding chiropractic care and/or a career in chiropractic health care. We know you must see through the anti-chiropractic trolls shilling chiropractic info. videos. The trolls have two valid reasons for their presense "here": Fear of chiropractic's legitimate displacement of their antiquated system of allopathic health care and envy. We (DC's) are honored
Even chiros admit to the bs: We must finally come to the painful realization that the chiropractic concept of spinal subluxation as the cause of "dis-ease" within the human body is an untested hypothesis (Murphy, et al, Chiropractic & Osteopathy. Volume 16, Article 10, August 29, 2008).
Hughes, Bolton: Is chiropractic an effective treatment in infantile colic? Arch Dis Child 2002;86:382-384 The authors conclude: The evidence suggests that chiropractic has no benefit over placebo in the treatment of infantile colic.
ospreylookout, we called your pops at work and he'll see you at the hospital when the ambulance arrives at the ER. He asked us to ask you if you took your psych meds. The paramedic thinks you may be having an adverse reaction to your psych meds man, causing you to exhibit suicidal tendencies following trolling and shilling chiropractic miracle videos on YouTube. Dude, we're really scared for you. Hang on there ospreylookout. Without you dude who will keep chiropractic in check? No! don't get up!
According to a 2006 Gallup Poll of U.S. adults, when asked how they would "rate the honesty and ethical standards of people in these different fields", chiropractic compared unfavorably with mainstream medicine. When chiropractic was rated, it "rated dead last amongst healthcare professions". While 84% of respondents considered nurses' ethics "very high" or "high," only 36% felt that way about chiropractors.
ospreylookout, it's time to come in now son. Put away your anti-chiro action doll set and pick up the fruit punch filled syringe-sicles you and Dr. Smith's son ate this afternoon. Why do you look so pooped? Asthma inhaler worn him down...? Did mom give you your Adderall this morning? Get to bed early tonight son cause you have your allergy shots appointment tomorrow... Shoot! Not good...I wish mother didn't have him vaccinated... This all wouldn't have happened That chiropractic doctor was right
chiro: What I am asking you for is to provide the truth for what you are claiming. Any and all professions, if they are to be respected and remain professions, owe it to the public to substantiate any claims make, otherwise, retract them. Health care is science based, not some quasi-religious fringe group with deluded elements of "vitalism" and "subluxation" that do not stand up to the scrutiny of scientific examination.If you refuse to provide evidence, then the only conclusion is DISHONESTY.
If chiros are going to make claims that something they sell you has a health benefit, then they should provide the evidence that it has been shown to actually do this. It is not enough to simply make an empty claim. This is irresponsible of any profession. So, where is the scientific evidence that has been conducted and published in respected, peer-reviewed health science journals? It doesnt exist!! Chiro is a scam, and its proponents should be eyed very suspiciously.
chiro: Show us the evidence if it exists. Every legitimate piece of published research found in peer-reviewed journals is stored in databases such as Medline. There are searched by using the information: author, year, title of study, Journal name, so why won't you provide any evidence to the public? Why are you lying to the people? You are hiding the truth--there is no evidence for most of the garbage you claim. You are a fraud.
I've been trying to get him to do this for a while now. He hasn't come up with the goods. He did however give me the name of a new book called "Death by Medicine" by Gary Null. I'll let you be the judge, but it's the worst thing I've ever read. Don't know if you've heard of it, but I'm just giving you the heads up.
Ah, yes, BJ Palmer. The quack who started it all.
chibi013 6 months ago
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@chibi013 you worthless piece of shit. you're unworthy to even clean his toilet.
hiodr 6 months ago
@hiodr That's cool, I don't thing shit makes a good soap anyway.
chibi013 5 months ago
@chibi013 and you are the moron who won't shutup!
sonnyofagunny 5 months ago
@sonnyofagunny I'm sensing a bit of anger from you... I'll bet an adjustment could help with that
chibi013 5 months ago
"Get knowledge of the spine, for it is the requisite of many dis-ease."- Hippocrates
PhilFo22 7 months ago
55 years has passed and they are still using techniques and have the same beliefs. Chiropractic can offer some benefits, but it is time to move from the 19th century to the 21st
workingstiff76 10 months ago
@workingstiff76 oh, so because some time has passed, we arbitrarily discard the greatest health discovery in the history of mankind. makers a lot of sense i suppose-if you've lost your mind.
hiodr 10 months ago 2
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@workingstiff76 oh, so because some time has passed, we arbitrarily discard the greatest health discovery in the history of mankind. makes a lot of sense i suppose-if you've lost your mind.
hiodr 10 months ago
I'm curious....If the power that MADE the body Heals the body then why do we need the chiropractor
Mediocrepolice 11 months ago 2
@Mediocrepolice simple. because it cannot initiate the process of liberating that power by itself.
hiodr 10 months ago
And as a success story...MVA ultimately reconfigured my body. Severe whiplash caused C1, C2 to glue to my skull, hips off by 10mm, not to mention several bulging discs, 1 herniated disc, and a list of dys-function and dis-ease. MDs pushed drugs and steroid injections. I finally said enough...no more drugs, I love my kidneys and liver. What about a DC? Blessed with a smart and open minded MD who interned in the Neuro department at a prestigious hospital...said YES!! You WILL benefit greatly!!
MoMosheshow 11 months ago
I found my now mentor and friend who showed me my X-Rays and explained WHY I was having problems. I knew he would ultimately save my life and he did. Was once told I would always live in pain and never compete in sports, run, cycle, do anything active. Have done a 250 mile, 3 day bike ride 2 years after care, and am training for a triathlon as well as the Chicago Half Marathon.
MoMosheshow 11 months ago
Why do you think that is?? Simple. The power that MADE the body, HEALED the body. Chiropractic simply is a tool for removing the interference. The power that made the body, heals the body. Turn the LIGHTS on! FYI...my hips are becoming level, most of the curve has returned to my neck, AND..the C6-T1 scoliosis is returning to normal and taking the interference away from my thyroid, which is returning to normal function.
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MoMosheshow 11 months ago
Loved this! Thank you for posting...looking at most of the comments, I must say I am disappointed in the behavior with other viewers. Sounds like egos are getting in the way. Personally, I am a prospective DC student looking at two of the best schools in the USA. From the DC standpoint, we should be coming together as one vs fighting amongst ourselves. There are still far too many ignorant or maybe MDs who are afraid of losing patients to fight with..not to mention the AMA.
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@MoMosheshow And before any of the allopathic docs voice their opinion, I am a walking success story of Chiropractic saving my life and while the Allopathic approach wanted to poison my systems. There is scientific evidence available as well as research which supports the theory of Palmer.
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@MoMosheshow DC has more hours then MD programs. MDs spend more time learning about toxicology and pharmacology then the body, while DCs spend more time learning about the body. Malpractice insurance...MDs higher while DC is one of the lowest.
MoMosheshow 11 months ago
@drsoandso... Congratulations on spending umpteen hours debating philosophical questions that thousands of other health care foolhardy minds are busy concentrating on while patients continue to suffer. Wake up! chiropractic care has shown time and time again to help numerous patients. No, it is not the end-all, say-all answer to every condition, but it is a safe, non-invasive approach that is effective in many cases. Check your ego at the door and focus on helping your patients!
patientcentereddoc 1 year ago
@hiodr… You’re no better of a doc than any of the countless hypocrites who try to promote that they have patient-centered practices yet devote limitless hours to useless blogs. You would NOT be here today without the integrations of medicine. Realize your limitations, focus on what you can do to help your patients today, and bite your tongue. Stop distorting chiropractic into something its not!
patientcentereddoc 1 year ago
@drsoandso and @hiodr… You are both pathetic individuals. You wonder why health professionals get such appalling, conflicting views from our society? It might be because you interest your minds in proving with unethical, corruptive, ill-gotten information who has the bigger “gonads”. While you waste time debating… your patients suffer. As a future practicing professional, I hope I never become either of you. Instead I will interest my focus on my patients.
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patientcentereddoc 1 year ago
@drsoandso hey slimeball, keep your mother out of this. you're no more than a pill-pushing drug company employee who never got a sick person well in their life. deal with it.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr I think it was Adolf Hitler who once famoulsy remarked that if you tell a lie often enough, it eventually becomes the truth. I guess that explains your continued insistence that medical science has it all wrong, laboring away under the yolk of the pharmaceutical industry.
If that were true it would be the greatest conspiracy, ever perpetrated in the history of mankind.
I know that such a notion holds enourmous appeal for you, but in your heart of hearts you know the truth is other...
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso it's the medical business that is based on lies, and it's all done for the love of stinking money. it is a conspiracy and a subplot within a much bigger plan. you are entirely clueless, lost in your little drug-induced delusional world. you don't know anything.
hiodr 1 year ago 2
@hiodr and with that fascinating little delusional dissertation on the tangled web of medical deception and conspiracy my rational mind recoils in abject horror for the last time...
Serioulsy, I dont know which is crazier... your apparent believe in the legitimacy of what your saying, or the fact that you could even believe we are smart enough to pull of just a thing. You really do give us far to much credit, but thanks for the preverse complement... I think...
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso lest you flatter yourself for being credited with this monstrosity, it is not the rank and file i am referring to. many are driven by the same corrupt motives, but most can't see beyond the ends of their noses and are what marx would refer to as "useful idiots". however one medical doctor who was in on it once gave a lecture on the overall plan a couple decades ago.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr Im really disappoint you didnt treat me to a spirted defense for your professions pathetic practice failure and student loan default rates. Im sure you blame that on big pharma too dont you?
At least try your hand at defending the British Chiropractic Associations shameful (and disasterously failed) attempt to suppress freedom of speech. Simon Sighn is your worse nightmare!
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso chiropractic doesn't fail, medicine does. student loans have nothing to do with the practice of chiropractic. i don't know any simon singh, and he whoever he is, he isn't me, so big deal. you keep trying to evade the fact that you can't get sick well and a highly compensated failure is a failure just the same, but then money is your god, so that's another difference between medicine and the truth.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr Simon Sighn is a PhD physicist in England who was sued by the British Chiropractic Association for liable few years ago when he publically pronouced that chirpractic treatment for infant colic was "bogus". Not only was the suit eventually dismissed, but by the time the dust settled 1 in 4 British chiropractors was under formal investigation for making unlawful claims about their practices. To say their tactic backfired is an understatement... you really should try harder to keep up!
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso why would i care about that? i corrected the problem in a 4 month old myself. big deal. pseudoscientist whores for the medical establishment are a dime a dozen. a little dope money buys you all the "studies" and presstitute media time you want. as if i would be impressed with such transparent garbage. well damn! i'll just have to go get all my patients and tell them they really don't feel better! they're just making it all up to deceive me! what kind of blithering idiot are you?
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr It never does cease to amaze (and amuse) me that there really are still a few of you "true believers" in 18th vitalism left out there. Ill bet you believe in magnetic healing, crystal energy and "auras" too...
You belong in a museum to failed, outdated and obsolete philosophies of the prescientific era, right up there with homeopathy and naturopathy... but then again, I suspect that you would consider that to be a place of honor given your ah-inspiringly warped world view.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso it doesn't amuse me when i hear of people coming from medics with a mild pancreatitis and the quack m.d. suggesting they get their pancreas cut out. it's most of allopathic mickey mouse medicine that is long obsolete. chiropractic revealed the cause and correction for most disease, but the puny, greedy medical mind could only think how to suppress it, and has tried about every dirty underhanded trick imaginable to do so. it's no coincidence that it's symbol is the snake.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr Your even further off your rocker than I feared... for starters, I and everyone in my practice (staff/physicians) got the annual influenza vaccine (and the H1N1 vaccine a few years back). As for profit motive we are lucky to break even (sometimes loss money) of vaccine administration... hardly a motive to con the unsuspecting masses onto out "clutches".
You really need to stop listening to those nasty voices in your head and seek help (do they have chiropractic psychiatrists these days?)
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso vaccines cause illness. they don't prevent it. no profit, for you? maybe. a former defense sec and his cronies made a killing on the bird flu scare. i heard he personally pulled 5 mil from his stock in gilead sciences who make that junk that makes people delusional or worse. par for the course for someone who was hired to get neurotoxic aspartame past the fda. your judgement and reputation stink. can't figure out why a woman would turn down castration with medicine's stellar record?
hiodr 1 year ago
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drsoandso 1 year ago
mayo took his wife for care, but that's as far as he dared to go. he didn't have the honesty or integrity to tell the public what he had discovered. apparently he had too much to lose personally. he did, however, covertly refer some patients to dr. palmer afterward. you wanna talk about cults, well that's what you belong to. the cult of pseudoscientific disease maintenance and causation, euphemistically called "health care". most medical procedures are without scientific basis whatsoever.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr reality check: Mayo took his wife to palmer for knee pain, she saw him for 2 months, Mayo refused to address palmer as Dr and never stated that his treatments did his wife any good. There is no evidence that he ever referred to him.
Just keep on jousting at windmills Don Quixote DC, the world of science and reason has left you behind in the rubbish of the prescientific era along with homeopathy and naturopathy (as well as blood letting and leaches).
Try not to take it too hard...
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso you don't say? charles didn't stand up and tell the world and his masters at the ama what a wonderful discovery he found in chiropractic, abandon his license, reputation, hospital, posh lifestyle for the sake of the truth? gee, i wonder why. seems charles didn't have the backbone, but very few would, although i do know of a neurologist with chronic arm pain that none of his colleagues could help. he finally went to an upper cervical specific chiropractor, got well, then became one.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr Interesting assumption on your part that just because Mayo and palmer once in the same room that he (Mayo) must have gleaned the "truth" of chiropractic, but deviously decided to hide it from the world. You tell that fairytale to your grandkids as night?
I know a veterinarian, dentists, physical therapists, pharmacist... oh, and a few chriopractors that when on to medical school. You dont hear me trying to use that a a defense of my profession, but then I dont really need to unlike you.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@hiodr what "medical procedures" are referring too? PAP smears, colonoscopy, bronchoscopy, esophogastroduodenoscopy, cardiac cathiterization, cystoureteroscopy? None of that has any scientic basis at all?
Seriously dude.. open mouth, insert foot.
I can only imagine your "expert opinion" on immunology and vaccines... Ill bet your on the short list for the Nobel Prize there (oops... sorry, forgot they dont award one for chiropractic).
You sure your not a Scientologist?
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso treatment procedures. i noticed how you avoided including them. wait until the public finally figures out for sure who's behind the autism epidemic. vaccines-one of the most stupid and dangerous things the medical mind has conjured to inflict on humanity. last week an md vaccinated twins. the first was vaccinated, then died. the second was vaccinated. she died. the medic disappeared. in the recent whooping cough problem in san diego, two thirds of the victims were just vaccinated.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr OK... exactly which "treatment" (not "medical procedures" did you have in mind as being "without scientific basis whatsoever": colposcopy, dilation and curettage, bunionectomy... work with me here, Im racking my brains trying to think of what on Earth your babbling on about (not that I imagine you have any clear idea).
Last time I checked caths, bronchs, EGD's and cystos were "treatment" as well as diagnostic procedures, but then maybe a DC would know better.
More likely making shit up
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso all of it. you name it. almost nothing you do corrects the cause of any health problem.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr I just have to ask... do you believe in "medical" marijuana? Come on, you can admit it... you know that you make a little exception for that one in your anti-pharma/anti-medicine/anti-mainstream world view.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso you're the dope head, not me. i know medical types are some of the greatest "samplers" of their own poison. of course their dope bought media soft peddles their drug abuse, tries to put it in a sympathetic light, after all, they're God's gift (more like curse) to society. it's another good reason to stay away from them, that and wondering if their prescription is supposedly for your good or to get a free vacation from their connection.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr Ah, Ill bet those were the good old day back when the reps could set you up with a trip to the Bahama's and buy you a nice new set of golf clubs to go with it. Sadly those day have been gone for well over twenty years. Cant even get a "branded" pen or post-it note pad these days.
Still, Ill bet the guy (or gal) that sold you your last traction table or xray machine hooked you right up.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@hiodr Isnt it interesting that the antivaccine wacko crouds last great MMR=autism study was just proven to be one big fraud?
Oh wait, dont tell me... that was just one huge set up by big bad pharma to keep posioning babys.
Does this twin killing MD have a name, or are you just pulling that one out of your ass too?
Can you explain the eradication of small pox and the enormous decrease in the incidence of once routine childhood infectious disease without immunization? Didnt think so...
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso says the establishment that promotes and profits from it, which means nothing. it's called sanitation and nutrition. vaccination causes disease, it doesn't prevent it. you can shovel your pharma bought bullshit "studies" all day. they aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr Wow, it was sanitiation and nutrition that managed to eradicated small pox in Africa, India and the whole of the subindian continent... somebody better tell them that, Im sure that would be big news in Somalia, Darfur and Calcutta.
Sometimes I wonder if you even try to reason out your witty little retorts at all.
Just out of curiosity, do you vaccinate your pet for rabies, or is big pharma out to get your dog/cat too?
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso actually i'm not so stupid as to vaccinate anything or anyone, but then i don't work for the pharma industry.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodrStill sticking to your "sanitation and nutrition" argument for the eradication of small pox in India and Africa? I know that one is a real stretch for you, but I could use another good laugh before Im done picking you apart.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso you're too much a buffoon to pick anyone apart. you stumble on a chiropractic video like a monkey stumbles onto a piano. he uses it to make noise, but has no real idea what it is about. traction is your useless therapeutic garbage, don't accuse me of practicing your mickey-mouse crap. your patients are sick, getting sicker, and there's not a damn thing you can do to change that. you just try to ease their descent to the grave with your poison pills, while often accelerating it.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr Come on big guy... your gonna have to answer my question sooner or later... are you really sure that "sanitation and nutrition" are all it took to eradicate small pox from India and Africa decades ago... ignoring the question wont make it go away.
You know that the logical extension of your argument would require you to stop me by force if needed from harming, even killing people everyday if thats was really what you believed I/we in the medical world were doing. What say you zealot?
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso of course it's bullshit, but then most all of medicine is. i know hearing the truth after all your brainwashing puts you at risk of a breakdown, but the truth is a good thing. might as well flush the crap out of your head now, so you can have a place for some truth. it seems you haven't learned anything from this video. all you've done is regurgitated the party line, nothing more than i've already heard ad nauseum. still, you can't explain what chiropractic is. you've learned nothing.
hiodr 1 year ago
on the contrary. i'm not the pusher for the drug company, the hmo employee who sells their patients out for a dollar. worse yet is the disease and death the products you peddle cause. what kind of imbecile thinks giving a sick person toxic chemicals will make them healthy? you people maintain and create sickness, you don't cure it. you haven't a clue what chiropractic is, nor want to, because it helps expose the lie of medicine.
hiodr 1 year ago
this was lovely :)
LONG LIVE CHIROPRACTIC!!!!!
healing the world, one spinous recoil at a time lol
zez123 1 year ago
I love his hair!
pauljb07 1 year ago
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ImJustOldMate 1 year ago
My best Chiropractor; Dr Crusade in Sacramento, CA uses this method. I had spent years and years looking for relief from my migraines. Dr Crusade - using this method, cured me of my migraines. I wish I lived in the area again because I've injured my neck again and have gone to two different chiro's who can't fix it. I'm stuck and can't turn my head to the right. I miss you Dr Crusade!
katndog 1 year ago 2
I don't think how great bj palmer was. You have got to be kidding that this modality of healing is just quackery.
fairman1952 1 year ago
Marvelous to see the originator. Chiropractic will come into its own in the post modern world. You need only your 2 hands.
ShoutWhatYourHear 1 year ago
@ShoutWhatYourHear
If you think that's marvelous, then you are a very easily impressed chap. Whilst on the subject, chirorpactic47 is selling his 1992 Hyundia Sonata saloon car and he wondered if you'd be interested (you being so easily imporessed, and all that).
I have to be quite honest and say I was more impressed by a loud fart I recent;y did in the bath than anything BJ palmer has every done. Although MrsDrHo wouldn't necessarily agree on that one
DrLaurenceHo 1 year ago
@DrLaurenceHo Man aren't thou a jerk? Hey Ho, as marvelous is yer faux Limey accent is so is my late model Jaguar S-Type R. Yes, my fair pea brained jerk off, Ironiclly I drive an Englishmans car. Hey! Let's pit yer Toyota Carolla against my Jag? So how's the Mrs. Ho? LMAO! Is she a "Real" good Ho? Or just an ugly bitch with droopy fun bags? LOL! You don't have to answer that one, we know already. LMAO!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Good folks viewing this video, please excuse "ospreyshit" posts. No matter how much research we threw at this sorry ass excuse for a humanoid, he will always shill "lack of evidence". What "ospreyshit" fails to notice is he himself is a subject in our study of master troller/shills. Thanks to "ospreypoop's", we've gathered sufficient evidence to claim that he like other medical trolls; have no life. They are mentally and spirtually dead people. Numbed by the very system (medicine) they covet.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 wow you do get around YT alot...in between those 100 dupes, sorry Patients a day
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lerxt42 Apparently chiro47 is really Seth Gross and is in hiding....Google him..."Blue Mountain" something or other....Whacko!
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
If you will excuse my poor use of the American language, you are one serious arse hole, in fact. And you are talking out of it. On the other foot, this Ospreylookout gentleman sounds like a bloody good chap who knows his carrots. And laid6103 - I like the cut of his jib, too
And I bet they drive a much better car than you and don't have to read gentlemen's art magazines at bedtime.
DrLaurenceHo 1 year ago
@DrLaurenceHo Written with yur tally wacker in one hand, a crayon the other?
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
Evidence? EVIDENCE? You wouldn't recognise evidence if it kicked you so hard up the arse you ended up with multiple subluxations.
DrLaurenceHo 1 year ago
@DrLaurenceHo "...multiple subluxations" Oh, one minute yer lambasting vertebral subluxations, the next their here? Shhhh (whisper) I hear your supervisor coming down the hallway. Quick!, git mopping the floor. LMAO!!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
Good folks viewing chiropractic videos. I'm a 20 year chiropractic doctor providing 500+ pv/week with primary chiropractic health care. Those who feel their vitality is at stake will attack chiropractic which has a legitimate role in providing proven and effective holistic primary health care. Chiropractic causes "them" to question their own legitimacy and vitality. Change is tough for anyone. Let's help the trolls and shills who are trying hard to deny you of chiropractic change. Thank you.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
chiro: You are pathetic. You can't do better than provide and encourage propaganda. You are so screwed up that you actually encourage parents to avoid vaccinating their kids. You trash medicine by offer abslultey no evidence for your quackery and that sell to the gullible. You get frustrated by being confronted with your dishonesty and all you can do is fill the screen full of profanities. YOU ARE THE POSTER-BOY FOR CHIROPRACTIC: Under-educated with a religious and fanatical fear of evolution.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
chiro: Do you think that your bragging about the number of people you push through the office in a week is somehow impressive for people taking a critical eye on your profession? You have been asked numberous time to provide revidence to support your outrageous claims for treating, for example, children, and you can only come up with some mysterious, 3 page article that is unretrievable through my university's portal (hmm?), or a book, pitifully written. NO EVIDENCE = FRAUD!!!!
ospreylookout 1 year ago
#2 Guardian, online: The statement, supported by just 29 citations, was ripped apart by bloggers within 24 hours of publication, before being subjected to a further shredding in the British Medical Journal. It emerged that 10 of the papers cited had nothing to do with chiropractic treatment, and several weren't even studies. The remainder consisted of a small collection of poor-quality trials.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
Guardian, online: Further criticism has been focused on the BCA's presentation of supporting data, in particular its claim that a "plethora" of evidence backs the effectiveness of chiropractic in treating various childhood illnesses. Last year, facing demands that the BCA engage in scientific debate over its position, the association released its "plethora" to the public. Cont on #2.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
Guardian UK: Furious backlash from Simon Singh libel case puts chiropractors on ropes. Now even the General Chiropractic Council has disowned the claims of the BCA the same claims that lie at the centre of its libel action against Simon Singh. In a new report, it concludes that the evidence does not support claims that chiropractic treatment is effective for childhood colic, bed-wetting, ear infections or asthma, the very claims that Singh was sued for describing as "bogus".
ospreylookout 1 year ago
I suggest that anyone interested, Google the Guardian UK for the story entitled, Furious backlash from Simon Singh libel case puts chiropractors on ropes; One in four chiropractors in Britain are under investigation as a result of campaign by Singh supporters, by Martin Robbins.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
chiro: You calim to treat kids and yet the evidence does not demonstrate the evidence for your QUACKERY. Study: 100 infant randomised, blinded, placebo controlled clinical trial concluded that Chiropractic spinal manipulation is no more effective than placebo in the treatment of infantile colic (Olafsdottir, Forshei, Fluge & Markestad; 2001; Arch Dis Child. 2001 Feb;84(2):138-41).
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@ospreylookout oohh he doesn't like the term quack...but I do
lerxt42 1 year ago
chiro: Show us the evidence if it exists. Every legitimate piece of published research found in peer-reviewed journals is stored in databases such as Medline. There are searched by using the information: author, year, title of study, Journal name, so why won't you provide any evidence to the public? Why are you lying to the people? You are hiding the truth--there is no evidence for most of the garbage you claim. You are a fraud.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
chiro: Why is it that you are unable to demonstrate education in health science at a level of a high school graduate, nor can you apparently be bothered to provide any indication that you know anything about evidence-based practice. Is it simply a matter of lack of education or are you really trying to defraud the public with unsubstantiated claims? You have yet to provide a single searchable citation (author, title, yr, Journal) that supports your claims. All you seem to be able to do is swear.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
500 a week? How long do you spend with each patient?
lald6103 1 year ago
@lald6103 After the initial consultation and examination (includes x-ray) an average of 3 1/2 minutes per patient hands on then each person recieves an average of 5 minutes of therapuetic modalities.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 : Where is the evidence that supports all the claims you make? You claim to treat infant colic yet there is no evidence. You claim that childhood vaccinations are bad, but again, this has never been deonstrated. You claim all sorts of things but never once have you ever shown any evidence. You have only ever shown your ability to use profanities. Quackery!!
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@ospreylookout "...childhood vaccinations are..." not bad? Tell that to the parents of my office who lost their children to autism following the MMR vaccination. Hey ospreypoop, why did the former director of the CDC go on th record that she felt vaccinations cause broad spectrum disorders? You're unbelievable???
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 Sounds like a sausage mill.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
So is that 8.5 mins per patient on average? Does everyone receive unnecessary radiation or just some?
lald6103 1 year ago
@lald6103 8.5 minutes of correction care and lifestyle counseling (includes everything, even the elimination of deadly prescription drugs) versus 30 minutes of collecting symptoms, blood, and urine (DC's can do this too), then dispensing drugs or cutting out the bodies "bad" tissues?...mmmm, I'll hedge that the chiropractic patient will fare better than his/hers medical counterpart (and they usually do).
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
In my country, DC's cant send blood and urine off to the lab.
The diff bw you and me is that i send people off for necessary xrays, whereas you use it as a screening tool. Virtually all of your patients gets an xray as an investigation. What's worse is that YOU analyse the xray - MDs leave this to specialist radiographers, who can pick up things you and I can't.
Quite simply, if you're telling patients on prescription drugs to stop taking them, you're asking for a lawsuit.
lald6103 1 year ago
@lald6103 One day Aussie DC's may choose to expand their scope of practice? Perhaps it's best they don't as a means to keep it simple? American DC's recieve substancially more x-ray training than their MD counterparts. My patients discuss weaning off a prescription drug with the MD in the loop. Allopathic medicine is badly in need of a revamp...the "dispense a drug for everything" is getting very stale mate.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
Until Aussie DC's obtain a medical degree, they are not allowed to expand their scope of practice. I would argue that what they have now is already too much.
You're talking to an MD who is strictly opposed to the "dispense a drug for everything" mentality. Those days are fading away, especially in Australia. However, this does not mean that prescription drugs are all bad, or unnecessary. The large majority of them are.
lald6103 1 year ago
@lald6103 unfortunately chiroquack47 thinks he is a shamen /healer of sorts. I think he has yellow feathers and eats breadcrumbs a lot
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lald6103 "Does everyone recieve unnecessary radiation?" What!? And your a medic? I just can't wait till the patient and his/hers family thank me for exercising my superior (over that of medicines) chiropractic primary health care education...when I inform them they have a vertebral compression fracture from trauma or osteoporosis, or metastatic disease, or they have spina bifida, spondylolisthesis, hip dysplasia, dislocated humerus, etc. Why are you so self destructive?
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
Arora N, Martins D, Ruggerio D, et al.(2008).Effectiveness of a noninvasive digital infrared thermal imaging system in the detection of breast cancer. Am. J. Surg. 196 (4): 5236.
MDs DO use thermograms, but only as an adjunct to mammography. This is because mammography has a false positive rate of 7% (false negatives 0.5%), so a positive result may not mean cancer.
Again, though, mammography is only indicated for women between 40-55, once per 2 years. You xray everyone!
lald6103 1 year ago
@lald6103 Hey Aussie MD...you just recieved more x-ray today in that bright Aussie sun of yours than you'll get from my tiny x-ray machine. You can cut the chiropractic x-ray thing now. "It" hasn't worked for ya. Especially in light of how many unnecessary CAT-Scans (humongous x-ray exposure) are performed by MD's each year.Think of some other anti-chiropractic propaganda item I can smack down for ya? This is fun!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
You don't have a superior education because you believe that all disease originates in the spine, and that vaccination is harmful.
lald6103 1 year ago
@lald6103 Chiropractic doctors don't "...believe all disease originates in the spine". Knowledable DC's and MD's know that a dyfunctional spine can lead to nerve interference and that the immune response can be enhanced by a chiropractic spinal adjustment. Last year the former director of the Center of Disease Control went on the record that she knows that vaccinations cause broad spectrum disorders (ADHD, Autism, etc.). And the Aussie medic recieves a chiropractic doctor bitch slap! Ouch!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
Ok, well why aren't quadriplegics absolutely riddled with disease then? Because you're wrong. No reasonable MD would believe that "spinal dysfunction" significantly interferes w immunity.
MMR vaccine: You're lying again. Read the evidence. The Center for Disease control in February 2004 performed a population-based case-controlled study of 624 cases and 1,824 matched controls, and found no evidence to support an association between MMR and autism.(PMID 14754936)
lald6103 1 year ago
@lald6103 Hey I thought you were a doctor and understood, for obvious reasons, that quadraplegics don't live long lives. Let's take Franklin Roosevelt, polio delegated him to a wheelchair for most of his life. How did he die and at what age? Christopher Reeves (Lived near my office and I was doctor to his head nurse), died from respiratory disease. Quadrapalegics do become "riddled with dis-ease". The CDC will never conduct a viable study for the publics best interest.
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
Reeve was not a healthy person before his accident. He suffered from asthma and allergies since childhood, and nearly died from anaphylaxis a number of times. At age sixteen, he began to suffer from alopecia areata. Before his accident, he suffered from several illnesses, including infectious mononucleosis, malaria, superior mesenteric artery syndrome and mastocytosis.
He actually died from heart failure.
You weren't a "doctor" to anyone - you were a chiropractor. BIG difference.
lald6103 1 year ago
@lald6103 How you managed to bull shit your way through med school? (clap, clap). D= "Real Doctor" LOL! You can't impress a DC with 500 more hours of primary care education than an MD. Folks, Christopher Reeves died from chronic umangeable and infected bed sores. Yes, all the maladies you list will eventually be compounded for a quadrapalegic, and infection will ultimately lead to heart failure. Google the subject, you probably slept through it in med...LOL!...school...LOL!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@lald6103 the only superior thing he does excel at is scamming old ladies out of money by offering free spinal analysis at the local mall
lerxt42 1 year ago
@lald6103 Your concerned about a tiny low powered spine x-ray? When you should be concerned about mammograms, which emit 100X times more x-ray radiation than a standard spine x-ray, and can potentially cause cancerous cells to leave the breast due to crushing the breast between the x-ray bucky...performed one to two times a year? Why dupe the chick into mammogram when a thermogram which unlike mammograms are non evasive, more accurate, and without false positives? Something smells?
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
Mammograms do not emit 100 times more radiation than a lumbar x-ray. This is simply false - you are lying again.
lald6103 1 year ago
@lald6103 thats what I asked him...and 5 minutes of therapeutic modality is his term for getting at their wallet
lerxt42 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
If chiropractic was effective, t well-designed RCTs with large sample sizes would have been published with the results for everyone to see and replicate. If you had done this, we wouldn't even be having these arguments. We'd probably be working together.
To cover you lack of evidence-base up, you instead attack mainstream medicine and spew out false statistics and bizarre interpretations of the truth to shun ill-informed people away from it and towards chiropractic.
lald6103 1 year ago
@lald6103 you're another ignorant dope-peddling imbecile who hasn't got a clue what you're talking about. ever read the labels on that poison you dispense you quack? you cause disease, you don't cure a damn thing, unless you consider being alive to be an illness.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr I never said drugs aren't dangerous. They can be very dangerous. However, the risk of dying or having quality of life threatened by an untreated illness greatly outweighs the risk of taking the drugs MDs dispense to treat them. As a matter of course, this is supported by evidence from clinical trials, and doses of appropriate drugs are titred to be given at the lowest effective dose.
This is quite a lot more than I can say for chiropractic, which may be benign, but is also quite useless.
lald6103 1 year ago
@lald6103" first do no harm..." right. lying hypocritical charlatans. you haven't got a clue what chiropractic is, so your opinion equates to a zero with a rim knocked off-nothing, or do you presume your medical degree bestows you with omniscience like most? how can you look your patients in their glazed, doped up eyes day after day, and have no conscience of the fraud medicine perpetrates on them? you know they're not getting well, so why don't you find an honest line of work?
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr and a big fuck you too from the medical world... your welcome
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso take your meds and croak.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr right... and chiropractic is the reason for the ever expanding length of human life expectancy in this country, not modern medicine.
Big bad "meds" are the devil and your going to save us all from our nastly little subluxations with your "adjustments"... an honest line of work in deed. \
The rational mind recoils in horror.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso that's right. the brainwashed, medicated mind, you mean. what do you know? nothing of value to sick, or you'd get them well and they wouldn't see us. after all you've got the dope money bought media in your pocket, partnership with the government, and a population indoctrinated into your pseudoscientific bullshit from birth going for you. all that, and people still turn their back on you. it's obvious. people are deciding they don't want what you're selling.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr that's right... there is something like a 2-3 months wait for a routine appt in my office and Im not even taking new patients (havent for months now) because Im too damn busy... so exactly who is it thats turning their back on me? Not the half dozen or so folk who call on average everyday trying to get a new patient appt.
As for the useless horseshit your peddling, at least I dont have to advertize via junk mail or set up a "free spinal exam" booth at the county fair like you losers!
drsoandso 1 year ago
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hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr cut the crap moron... "spinal subluxation" is not the fundamental underlying pathophysiology of atherosclerosis, beta cell failure/insulin resistance, emphysema, colon cancer or any other "dis-ease" and you damn well know it.
You get off on preaching Palmer's gospel because theres a quick buck in for you and you just love the notion that your somehow "sticking it to the man" when it comes to mainstream medicine.
Your not fooling nealy as many as you desperately want to believe you are.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso maybe so. they're too sick and doped up to think straight. and how many did you get well? not a damn one of them. so go brag to yourself in the mirror. i know better.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr I just love the occasional chiropractor that comes through my office... somehow, after their first (or second) MI/CVA or episode of diabetic ketoacidosis, all my evil pills and needles dont quite seem so bad after all.
All that talk about big pharma melts away when its time for your first round of chemo or RXT for that tumor you were just sure your "innate intellegence" would surely keep at bay as long as you were "subluxation free"... really kind of sweet and sad at the same time.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso so what do you do to correct the cause of this. nothing. you can't. you don't know what it is. so, medicine has a legitimate place. problem is, it's only about ten percent of what they presume it to be. it's called first aid. dealing with present or imminent crises which are too damaged for correcting a nerve interference cause alone to resolve. outside that, they're just playing with effects, causing more problems with their mickey-mouse attempts at suppressing symptoms. it's failure
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr oh no your on to us, our grand conspiracy is thwarted.
And to think that 18th century vitalism had it right all along... oh the humanity!
Too bad science & reason triumphed over the "truth" of "innate intelligence", relegating the likes of you to the lunatic fringe where you belong.
Stick to your strip mall patient mills and push your silly supplements and chelation with your useless adjustments (dont forget to use your little "activator"). Didnt I see your ad in the local shop & swap?
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso right. you're so brainwashed you probably go home every night and memorize all the bullshit literature you get from your dope connection reps you get payola from. your bungling is obsolete and has been for over a hundred years. your nurses, who have more sense than you and less arrogance, come to see us behind your back. you can't even take care of your own people, you're such pathetic losers. mechanism is the false philosophy of the narcissist fool.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr "mechanism is the false philosophy of the narcissist fool"... is that your complete and utter renunciation of science and the scientific method in favor of your century year old vitalistic philosophy?
Basically you dont want to know how the body really works because the physiology just might not mesh (at all) with the subluxation theory to which you cling so desperately... that is beyond pathetic.
P.S. you can even get a pen or post it note from a rep these days... so much for "payola".
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso you don't know how the body works. page 4 gray's anatomy 29ed- "the nervous system CONTROLS AND COORDINATES ALL organs and structures of the human body". how the hell do you get a doctor degree when you don't even understand the simplest and most basic principle of human physiology? if chiropractic principle is false, then why do people leave their medic and use their chiropractor as primary care provider?
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr chiropractor as a primary care provider? So you TREAT insulin dependent diabetes mellitis, hypertension, hypothyroidism, urinary tract infections, pneumonia, ect. with your adjustments (and supplements, chelation and "lifestyle counseling"), provide PAP smears, biopsy skin lesions, do digital recal exams for prostate cancer screening, ect. Ya, right... primary care provider my ass.
Even the most inflated numbers put annual chiropractic use at 1 in 30 Americans at most. You loss.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso no, you dullard, you don't get it, like i said. chiropractic doesn't treat anything. it is solely concerned with correcting the cause of nerve interference. mickey-mousing symptoms is your specialty, not mine. people do get better from the problems you listed when the cause is corrected. of course you are totally clueless as to what it is, as i said before.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr the average MD/DO has forgotten more about the "cause" of human pathophysiology than even the brightest DC will ever know... its all spinal subluxation like some kind of boggy man or gremlin... never proven because its a figment of your collective imagination. The whole foulacy is more like a cult or religion really, and I can see that you drank the koolaid a long time ago.
Again, as a "primary care provider" do you do cancer screening and insulin management or is that a little much?
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso horsecrap. if you knew the cause of disease, then why don't you correct it so your patients can regain their health, instead of just feeding them poison pills until they die from the disease, your treatment, or more probably, both? you holding out on them? you mean you can really correct the cause but you won't? no. you're just as blind as your patients, and when you get sick, you'll end up in the same ditch you helped put them in.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr you simple solutionists never fail to amuse me, ah but that it was really that simple: bone in the spine out of place/pressure on a nerve/adjust the sublixation/the body heals itself... kind of like a little fairy tale that mothers tell there children. Is that how you got duped into it?
How did Palmer cure deafness by manipulating the neck when the auditory nerve doesnt pass anywhere near the cervical spine? Maybe it was magic, or even little healing fairys at work... makes sense to you?
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso what an ignoramus. got out your little nerve chart, did you? we're talking about CORD impingement. the nervous system is far more complicated than your little chart shows. take one mid-thoracic spinal nerve root and dissect it out. it has over 250 branches, some going up to the face. like i said, you people are practicing the "health care" of a hundred years ago, with modern gadgets, but using the same assanine, symptom suppressive approach. that's why you fail to get sick well.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr thats a good one... never seen one of you quacks reach quite that far to defend your messiah... gotta give you credit for orginality. You should try scientology... they could your skill at creative fiction.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso what's the matter? run out of bullshit excuses for being a failure? you're just completely ignorant. come here to try and learn something, or just show off how stupid you are? go push your pills, and leave the profession of getting sick well to those who know how.
hiodr 1 year ago
@drsoandso you don't know how the body works. "the nervous system CONTROLS AND COORDINATES ALL organs and structures of the human body"- GRAY'S ANATOMY P4, 29ED. is that too far over your MEDICATED MIND to grasp? how the hell do you get a doctor's license when you fail to understand the most basic principle of human physiology? don't lie to me. i see the cardiologist across from me, the one whose patient had a enlarged heart and a death sentence, whose life i saved, getting greased by dopers.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr indeed the nervous system does control and coordinate the human body... that does not mean that "spinal subluxation" interfer with it, or even exist in the first place.
Now tell the truth... if started having crushing substernal chest pain w/ radiation to your left neck and jaw, diaphoresis, ect. would you head for another chiropractor (to presumably adjust it away) or that cardiologist across the way? We both know the answer to that, so just on keep saving lives in your wildest dreams.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso are you brain infarcted or what? how many times do i have to repeat the same thing? medicine-first aid. medicine- chronic illness-hopeless. the "doctor" said she had a "virus". how convenient- a cause no one can see. he gave her five years. fifteen years later, she's doing better than when she started. no, she didn't come in for heart problems, but for chronic arm pain. chiropractors know upper extremity problems and heart problems go together, and are often from the same cause.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr chiropractic=placebo effect at best=useless
I have little doubt that this patient in question had coxsackie virus which is idiopathic and often time improves no matter what one does. Im sure your convinced that your spinal adjustment somehow saved the day, but, well... wanna be like you just dont know what you dont know... again, kind of cute and sad and frankly scary given that there are gullible people out there that actually think you know what your talking about.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso measuring disease is your specialty, correcting it's cause is chiropractic's. if you're sick, which is of value? idiopathic-you mean idiotic. you can apply that, and iatrogenic to most everything you deal with, although your most common bullshit excuses for your failure are, "it's stress, it's age, everyone gets it, it's hereditary", excuses that chiropractic has proven to be lies time and again in most cases. any clod can dope someone into anesthesia. chiropractors restore health.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr all of your would be argument here is predicated on the notion that "spinal subluxation" is in point of fact the cause of disease... you clearly believe that, you desperately need to believe that, otherwise your entire world view would start to come apart at the seams.
New flash... it just isnt so, and all the wishfull thinking in the world on your part isnt going to change that.
Your the one living a lie... the "bullshit excuses" for disease are yours, not mine. Deal with it.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso oh really? what evidence do you have to back that up with? NONE. why? because it's a lie. you remind me of one of the many occaisions dr. palmer debated medics about chiropractic. they said subluxations don't exist. he told them, ok if they don't exist, you won't mind if i induce one in your neck. of course, they immediately hit reverse and chickened out on his offer. same with dr. charles mayo, who brought his wife to dr. palmer for help. at least they cooperated, so she got well.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr ah the cant disprove a double negative argument... cant believe it took you so many posts to pull that one out. Fortunately, in legitimate scientific circles, I dont have to disprove your theory. Dont you think that in over 100 years you could have managed something like compelling proof beyond anecdote and legend?
How many chiropractors does the Mayo Clinic employ? If the cofounder thought any or you were worth a damn Im sure yoi could still find a few around there... no?
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso you don't have a clue what legitimate science is. all your so-called studies and their conclusions are bought with dope money from big pharma. there's abundant proof of chiropractic. go find it. for now you'll just have to wonder how we get sick well when you people fail to.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr The only 2 patients I ever had who decided to forgo "traditional" medicine for "alternative" therapy, i.e. chiropractic were both dead within 6 months (one from uterine cancer that could have been treated with hysterectomy, the other from HIV/AIDS that had been well controlled on triple retrovirals)... both paid for their choices with their lives. The chiropractic "physician" that "treated" them "failed at practice" within a year. There is a special place in hell waiting for him Im sure!
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso there is a special place in hell for quack vaccine pushers who destroy children's lives. how many of your patients have died from the effects of drugs you prescribed? how many people who started with a minor illness have been killed by medical mickey-mouse attempts at symptom suppression that made them worse and worse until they died? it happens every day and you know it, so get off your high horse. chiropractors aren't the ones who pay 50-100k malpractice insurance a year.
hiodr 1 year ago
@hiodr Ah.. there it is, the malpractice argument... what took you so long. Never mind that you rarely see truely sick people and have a MUCH lower standard of care to meet. If you delivered babys, managed ICU patients, ect. someone might expect something from you but since you would have no earthly idea what you were doing theres little danger anyones ever will (expect much of anything from you that is).
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso sure. you conveniently left out the contribution from plain screwing up, even according to medical standards. if you added on all the deaths from prescription drugs for which you are not held liable but are at fault for nonetheless, you'd be out of business in six months.
hiodr 1 year ago
To the good folks viewing this video who are sincerely intrigued and interested in chiropractic, please feel free to post and/or contact me regarding chiropractic care and/or a career in chiropractic health care. We know you must see through the anti-chiropractic trolls shilling chiropractic info. videos. The trolls have two valid reasons for their presense "here": Fear of chiropractic's legitimate displacement of their antiquated system of allopathic health care and envy. We (DC's) are honored
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47
Trying to convince people you don't even know that they need chiropractic treatment? You guys stop at nothing!!!
lald6103 1 year ago
Even chiros admit to the bs: We must finally come to the painful realization that the chiropractic concept of spinal subluxation as the cause of "dis-ease" within the human body is an untested hypothesis (Murphy, et al, Chiropractic & Osteopathy. Volume 16, Article 10, August 29, 2008).
ospreylookout 1 year ago
Hughes, Bolton: Is chiropractic an effective treatment in infantile colic? Arch Dis Child 2002;86:382-384 The authors conclude: The evidence suggests that chiropractic has no benefit over placebo in the treatment of infantile colic.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@ospreylookout
Cheers, I'll look them up. I've just never heard such stats.
lald6103 1 year ago
ospreylookout, we called your pops at work and he'll see you at the hospital when the ambulance arrives at the ER. He asked us to ask you if you took your psych meds. The paramedic thinks you may be having an adverse reaction to your psych meds man, causing you to exhibit suicidal tendencies following trolling and shilling chiropractic miracle videos on YouTube. Dude, we're really scared for you. Hang on there ospreylookout. Without you dude who will keep chiropractic in check? No! don't get up!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
According to a 2006 Gallup Poll of U.S. adults, when asked how they would "rate the honesty and ethical standards of people in these different fields", chiropractic compared unfavorably with mainstream medicine. When chiropractic was rated, it "rated dead last amongst healthcare professions". While 84% of respondents considered nurses' ethics "very high" or "high," only 36% felt that way about chiropractors.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
ospreylookout, it's time to come in now son. Put away your anti-chiro action doll set and pick up the fruit punch filled syringe-sicles you and Dr. Smith's son ate this afternoon. Why do you look so pooped? Asthma inhaler worn him down...? Did mom give you your Adderall this morning? Get to bed early tonight son cause you have your allergy shots appointment tomorrow... Shoot! Not good...I wish mother didn't have him vaccinated... This all wouldn't have happened That chiropractic doctor was right
chiropractic47 1 year ago
chiro: What I am asking you for is to provide the truth for what you are claiming. Any and all professions, if they are to be respected and remain professions, owe it to the public to substantiate any claims make, otherwise, retract them. Health care is science based, not some quasi-religious fringe group with deluded elements of "vitalism" and "subluxation" that do not stand up to the scrutiny of scientific examination.If you refuse to provide evidence, then the only conclusion is DISHONESTY.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
If chiros are going to make claims that something they sell you has a health benefit, then they should provide the evidence that it has been shown to actually do this. It is not enough to simply make an empty claim. This is irresponsible of any profession. So, where is the scientific evidence that has been conducted and published in respected, peer-reviewed health science journals? It doesnt exist!! Chiro is a scam, and its proponents should be eyed very suspiciously.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
chiro: Show us the evidence if it exists. Every legitimate piece of published research found in peer-reviewed journals is stored in databases such as Medline. There are searched by using the information: author, year, title of study, Journal name, so why won't you provide any evidence to the public? Why are you lying to the people? You are hiding the truth--there is no evidence for most of the garbage you claim. You are a fraud.
ospreylookout 1 year ago
@ospreylookout
I've been trying to get him to do this for a while now. He hasn't come up with the goods. He did however give me the name of a new book called "Death by Medicine" by Gary Null. I'll let you be the judge, but it's the worst thing I've ever read. Don't know if you've heard of it, but I'm just giving you the heads up.
lald6103 1 year ago
laid: I appreciate the chuckle. This guy is a loon. Check out the Daddy Loon's video: BJ Palmer. Pass the Kool-Aid!
ospreylookout 1 year ago