why is the goverment allowed to kill but not these serial killers? im against death penalty. if anybody is allowed to kill the fucker who killed your family than its the victim, but no goverment.
I would love to hear the explanation of how in the hell it's even physically possible for executions to cost MORE than keeping them alive till they expire of old age or some other means. It's not exactly humane for someone (say, myself) to brick an inmate in the face till he's dead for free, but it's at least possible.
Talking and reporting on supporting the abolition of the death penalty is one thing, a state actually abolishing it is a different story all together.
There should be a better way to maintain all financial costs down for prison inmates, especially those who have been convicted to receive the DEATH PENALTY.
This is what Californians should be fighting for: reduce prison inmate costs, prison guard salaries, and the entire bureaucratic prison systems which costs billions, etc.
Californians need to stand up and stream line the Death Penalty, say, no longer than ONE YEAR ...wait time, after being convicted.
@NexusARC It's largely the special facilities which cost three times more than for the average inmate and the high cost appeals process. The average death row inmate is on death row 13 to 15 so it adds up. Having inmates is never cheap but death row inmates are expensive. This does not include execution costs and overtime related to keeping order during executions and last minute legal or medical costs.
I do not believe that the "voters" have a voice in any way what so ever because who is REALLY counting those votes? Are we voting on a fictitious issue? Appeasing the citizens of the United States by "letting them vote" but in all actuality, the government fixes votes anyway...lose/lose situation for the citizens...if the government wants to keep something a law or on their side, they will make it go their way...just as that.
What many don't realize is that the reason why the death penalty is expensive is because the equipment is expensive, the ones on death row get a last meal and other luxuries. In America torture is unacceptable, if you are willing to kill terrorist with excutions why would you do the same to to an American prisoner? It's just to easy, the real punishment is shame and the distance spent away from society. There also criminals who have mental disorders and have been sentenced. It's not right
How about stabbing them to death? That's the cost of a kitchen knife, which is about $3 at the Dollartree. That's gotta be cheaper than life in prison.
@Tsugua21 you are forgetting about the 8th amendment to the constitution which no one can overcome...but the president can send a missile across the globe (drone) to kill a united states citizen (Afghanistan) who was committing treason...so with this being said, who's going to go against the President? Plus there are many secrets kept in the government that us citizens have no clue are happening..."conspiracies" that's why Jesse Ventura's TV show was taken off the Tru TV network...
The fact of the matter is that as long as we have a flawed legal system being overseen by flawed human beings, we cannot in any sort of good conscience execute people for crimes that they may or may not have committed. Aside from the financial issues, there is also a clear moral issue when it comes to the Death Penalty and who, what, where, how and why it is applied.
@MrThiefykern How is an execution murder? it isn't about killing them, it's about removing them from society permanently, cheaply and without consequense.
the death penalty stems from a dubious conception of punitive justice. in a democratic society, in which human and civil rights are the foundation, the role of the penal system is to secure the safety of society, not retribution. if fear or anger become the sole basis upon which we unnecesarily deny basic rights then we've taken one step towards tyranny.
@Neosaigo I am against the death penalty solely because executing just one innocent person is unacceptable. However, if a person murdered my loved ones, I will have no ethical qualms about murdering him or her the second I get the chance. People can tell me all they want that they will be a saint and let the murderer go, but in that situation, if you have a gun to their head, you'd pull the trigger, too.
Here, let me say it this way: when you die, you're dead. Of only THAT much can we certain, so when talking about criminal justice, only THAT much can we BANK on. Maybe there is an afterlife, but since we don't, and can never, KNOW this, it's absolutely pointless to plan as if there were. You know?
That's retarded. God either does NOT exist or he doesn't meddle in Human affairs. We have to make Justice FOR OURSELVES.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm against the death penalty, too, it just really irks me when someone says, "let god decide," because that's just about the same thing as "let him off the hook."
Here, let me say it this way: when you die, you're dead. Of only THAT much can we certain, so when talking about criminal justice, only THAT much can we BANK on. Maybe the
in canada, we don't have the death penalty, if you are convicted of a terrible crime you get a mandatory 25 years w/chance of parole. the catch there is that if your deemed a dangerous offender you can never get out of jail. although this is some what controversial, IMO it is far more effective and less costly then a death penalty. windsor, ontario hasn't has a murder in 2 years,
will cali res vote it out, i sure hope so, will they, doubtful. especially if special interest groups get involved.
@MrThiefykern Hmm...well if i had a family member killed I'd sure want them dead (opinion). Also in terms of life it is relative, ending the life of a murderer is not in the standard of just plain "killing" but a act of punishment and the appeasement to know that the murderer is no longer breathing. Let's not act like self-righteous
d-bags here, if you had a family member murdered u'd want them dead or punished; not institutionalized. Shouldn't we care more about the victim than the crimin?
@MrSlayerDeth If I had a family member killed I would want the murderer to know that he/she would spend life forever in captivity. I would want the murderer kept alive but in prison in case they found additional murders that one was responsible for and I would want to know that the murderer had lost their freedom. That's my opinion.
If somebody murders, don't put him to death. Make him work without anything but his meas until he dies so at least he gives a fraction of what he did back to society. If you put that guy to death, then he won't suffer and can't be used for hard labor like making roads or mining.
I'm a Liberal and a Democrat, but I'm not convinced that the death penalty is cruel or unjustifiable
Aside from the costs, what other reasons do you have on opposing it. And in terms of morality how is it wrong to kill these criminals, I mean were talking about child murderers and rapists they are in no way "victims"
Anyone can respond I just don't want no ditto-heads from either sides, no philosophical quotes either: I want independent opinions and thinkers, please help me understand why?
How dare they!!!!! What we need is to rehab these people!!! If someone rapes, than murders your child, how dare you wish death upon him!!!! It's societies fault he ended up that way. He was probably raised in a poor neighborhood and exposed to racism by evil whites! What we need is to keep these "rapists and murders" in rehab so we can one day release them into society. I say a MAX prison term of 5 years for rapists, and 10 for murders.
Blah blah blah! More liberals weakening the system, which is why it's takes BILLIONS to finally deliver justice! BTW...the idiot that posted video doesn't REALLY know what Victims want! I for one, want the murderer dead, painfully like they did our family members!
@ACPERZ liberals want to weaken the system. Do you hear liberals saying they want to make "government so small you can drown it in the bathtub" that sounds like wanting to weaken the system to me
I support the death penalty in the abstract, however I agree it is pretty damn ineffective when it is done by the government. Seeing the family of victims who said it didn't help them heal is nice to hear though, it shows they still have enough humanity to find vengeance unfruitful. I don't know if the ideal death penalty can ever happen, just as I am unsure of ideal Anarchy coming to fruition, but I can hope, think, and the meanwhile keep my head level. Thanks for the vid. :)
I support the death penalty in the abstract, however I agree it is pretty damn ineffective when it is done by the government. Seeing the family of victims who said it didn't help them heal is nice to hear though, it shows they still have enough humanity to find vengeance unfruitful. I don't know if the ideal death penalty can ever happen, just as I am unsure of ideal Anarchy coming to fruition, but I can hope, think, and the meanwhile keep my head level. Thanks for the vid. :)
@MrThiefykern Or it will prevent the first eye from being removed. Not that I'm for the death penalty, but that's a bad argument oft repeated as wisdom. The argument comes from (a) the rights of the state and (b) the policy's effectiveness.
Im not necessarily against killing rapists and murderers, they don't deserve to live any more than the people they killed. My problem is that you can never prove beyond reasonable doubt that someone is guilty of anything. Its not like in CSI where they can rotate CCTV footage to see around objects. It happens often enough where people on death row, or already executed, have been proven innocent by new forensic technology that it amounts to the government torturing and murdering innocent people
Your system cares more about criminals than victims, particurly if the criminals are black and the victims are white. Your system was good now it has gone soft. The system here in Australia has always been a pathetic joke, it was just nice to know that there was a time when justice did exist in the world.
When someone is found guilty with corroborating forensic evidence, the appeals process should be streamlined and not costly. I don't agree with the death penalty for people accused with just eyewitness testimony or confessions.; both of these have been proven to be in error - but science doesn't lie. They should be put to death without hesitation and without mercy.
Actually science does lie... that is to say the humans who perform the science are fallible. Google the New Scientist article "Fallible DNA evidence can mean prison or freedom". Forensics in general isn't quite what it's cracked up to be and there are a disturbing number of convictions overturned due to sloppy or biased forensics. We shouldn't be killing people based on this kind of evidence.
For example Charles Randal Smith a forensic pathologist, his testimony led to the conviction of William Mullins Johnson who in turn spent 12 yrs behind bars after being found guilty of killing his 4yr old niece.
His licence has now been stripped after new evidence showed Johnson was actually innocent.
1) its a waste of money, Death penalty cases on average are far more expensive then life sentences.
2)MANY people who have been put to death who were later found innocent.
3)If you are poor you are more likely to be put to death, sometimes there are even racial biases involved in the death penalty.
4) Death penalty DOES NO I repeat DOES NOT lower homicide rates. States which carry the death penalty have higher murder rates then those that don't carry it.
When you attack the death penalty for actually costing taxpayers more money as oposed to it being somehow wrong, the solution is a simple one. Eliminate the many appeals and added costs it takes to make it so expensive. "Some" families opposed the death penalty? Perhaps, but not all. For some it is the first step in the healing process and the restoration of the sense of justice.
So you're suggesting that they should spend *less* effort ensuring that the defendants are guilty before killing them? Fuck it, lets just have a guy at the courtroom with a gun so he can shoot defendants as soon as the judge bangs his gavel. That'll save a fortune!
The process is expensive because if you're going to endorse a draconian policy of government sanctioned murder, you at-least want to make sure you've got the right guy, and yet history shows they still get it wrong.
What makes life without parole any different? The guy has his entire lifetime to appeal and bring his case higher and higher. Same court proceedings, same money spent per trial, more trials.
Ensuring the right person is executing is worth the trial money but the fact is the rich will appeal their way out of the punishment be it life imprisonment or the death penalty.
Because any jail sentence can be reversed in the event that future evidence exonerates the defendant. Even if they never manage to prove themselves innocent (assuming they were), they at-least get some degree of determination over the remainder of their life. Once you kill them, there is no going back.
The fact that even one innocent person has been murdered by the system of justice created to protect them is unforgivable. No justice system warrants gambling with stakes that high.
The argument for life without parole versus the death penalty is 1 issue. The other is the amount of money being wasted in appeals and lawyers. I do not think changing to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole is going to save much more money though it might save a few lives.
In terms of justice, life without parole seems less likely to punish the wrong person over the long run but it probably will not reduce the cost of the sentence in terms of appeals,
The money is only wasted if you assume that every person sentenced to death is guilty - the fact is they aren't. The costly appeals process is necessary due to the severity and irreversibility of the sentence.
Whether you personally think life in prison is less costly than execution, the data is quite clear that executing prisoners is significantly more expensive than keeping them in prison indefinitely.
If we were truly concerned with guiding our societal evolution toward something greater we'd kill idiotic people like you who have the equivalent level of understanding of evolution and societal progression as a pineapple.
I'm not sure if that sentence would have made any sense to you so I'll paraphrase it for you. "Go fuck a rail spike, dimwit"
Are you a 6 year old or do you just write like one?
Honestly, if you can't even bring yourself to write in sentences like primary children are taught to, you should probably not bother tackling subjects more complex than how to button your coveralls.
Stop dribbling shit about eugenics. You clearly don't understand it.
I'm pretty sure anybody with a 3rd grade level of reading comprehension picked up on your clever wordplay. Having said that, I would also expect a 3rd grader to use punctuation and differentiate between "your" and "you're" so I'm not sure exactly what to think.
I do think it's quaint, though, that someone as obviously mentally deficient as yourself feels qualified to comment on social policy like you're Ayn fucking Rand.
I'm pretty sure anybody with a 3rd grade level of reading comprehension picked up on your clever wordplay. Having said that, I would also expect a 3rd grader to use punctuation and differentiate between "your" and "you're" so I'm not sure exactly what to think.
I do think it's quaint, though, that someone as obviously mentally deficient as yourself feels qualified to comment on social policy like you're Ayn fucking Rand.
this is culturual decay there is no conspiracy of puppet masters wanting to idiotize americans, you ARE idiots! this culture you have created won't end in ages to come.
@Frances3654 why? didn't he just say it was more costly? doesn't it seem worse being assraped in jail for the rest of your life seem worse than dying? do you want the gov't having the right to kill? what about the innocent dying without any chance of freedom? the death penalty is more costly. it could NEVER be 100% accurate. so why wouldn't you get rid of it?
@Frances3654 You can't really do any better than we have in the US. People on death row have rights that you can take away with out making the death penalty illegal.
There should be no legal wrangling if the death penalty is given. The Americans want to kill the guy anyway, why waste all that resource in court? Troy Davis was killed even with all the evidence in his favour and the witnesses changing their stories. Forget about life without parole.... Its the same thing only across the guy's entire life. The US Justice System is broken and with the dumb Americans voting for dumb college failures like Bachmann and Perry, I think death is better than life.
"The US Justice System is broken and with the dumb Americans voting for dumb college failures like Bachmann and Perry, I think death is better than life."
I'm not dumb and I'm not American. Lol..... I am wondering how a country which is supposed to be smarter than the Asian nations can vote against its own interests..... I think you should go and read about other countries before you comment. You'll realise how dumb Americans are relative to the "less free" Asian nations like Thailand and Malaysia.
I believe you on the second point. Still, you seem to have their entire system of justice sussed pretty well for not being American don't you?
If you're suggesting that Thailand and Malaysia have more freedom than the US, then I put it to you that you know fuck-all about any of those countries. Having spent extensive time in all 3, I can tell you life in the US is a field-day compared to anywhere in SE asia.
Make a joke about the king in Thailand and then come tell me about freedom.
Let me get this clear.... The USA is not only dumb but also incapable of carrying out an execution without wasting millions of dollars. 300 mill? What the hell is being used to kill these guys: designer drugs? Its ridiculous..... They should just use cyanide or carbon monoxide. Cheaper, faster and pretty humane.
@arugono: they may as well use cyanide to get the death sentencing over and done with. I think the death row guards would find it desirable the fact they think of death row inmates as cockroaches since day one, only for the guards for the next day drink champaign after the demise of an inmate in night or day beforehand.
The issue to me is not so much the actual death penalty but the cost of it. The attitude of the prison guards is something pretty reprehensible if true but I guess humans just cannot be completely objective.
$308 million per execution?? why does it cost that much to kill somebody? I'm not advocating death penalty but $300 million per head....not serious! :(
When a guy gets thrown in jail, he has nothing but time to prove himself innocent, if indeed he is innocent. However when you kill him, that option kinda goes out the window.
In lieu of any chance of reversing the sentence if it turns out to be wrong, those sentenced to death get a lot of time and access to resources to appeal their cases. This is where much of the cost comes from.
Unfortunately some innocent people have still been murdered by their government regardless.
"Did it ever occur to anybody that maybe they're doing it wrong?"
It sure did... That's why they're talking about getting rid of the death penalty.
If a system of "justice" has to be that expensive to ensure the accused are truly guilty (since there's no going back after you kill them) and *still* manages to murder some people who turned out to be not guilty, it's definitely wrong.
hahaha. That's great! 10 million dollars spent just to kill one person! What ever happened to the good old days of rope and gravity? Only in a world this unproductive we would spend insane amounts of time, energy, and money on somebody we deem as unfit to be a part of daily society!
hahaha. That's great! 10 million dollars spent just to kill one person! What ever happened to the good old days of rope and gravity? Only in a world this unproductive we would spend insane amounts of time, energy, and money on somebody we deem as unfit to be a part of daily society!
Innocent people being convicted of a crime is very rare... in fact, guilty people being convicted is rare. Our system bends over backwards to protect the innocent at the expense of letting many guilty people go free.
only 13 inmates... oh darn... I like how they say "only 13 inmates" as though killing more poeple would somehow justify the process... Looking for more BANG for your buck? shouldn't this be a moral question first and a money question second anyway? BTW, priestChristopher, vengence is a state of mind while an action is being carried out. You cannot make the assumption that every time someone is excecuted that it is out of revenge.
I guess the death penalty FEELS like an appropriate punishment because when you hear of some of these murder stories, you become outraged. The gut reaction to want to kill the murderer feels justified. But if you look at this practice with your head instead of your gut, it really makes no sense, especially if the expense of it is tax money wasted.
The reason innocent people have died on death row is because you have prosecutors who are only concerned about getting a conviction and don't give a flip about what the truth is. If the current death penalty methods are too expensive, rope is very cheap. Someone who murderers someone in cold blood does not deserve to live, period. It's about justice.
@PriestChristopher so you rape you got raped? balance?? if somebody kills your son you should kill his son, that's "balance", amurabi is to old my friend
Well this is just great. Now if someone in California wants to rape and murder a child or adult, don't worry, you'll get 3 meals a day, free housing, free clothes and free healthcare for the rest of your life. Thought America was a place of justice? HA, that's just pillow talk.
I never understood that argument. How does killing someone cost more than supporting them for 30+ years? It doesn't cost more to put a dog to sleep than to keep a dog in a kennel. Kill these psychos! there is no point in keeping a human being in prison for the rest of his life. Just put the poor dogs down.
@CanadiaNecro1 The lawyers consume the money. AFAIK, they cannot legally kill a guy that has an active legal appeal going on. With life sentence in prison, those appeals are not as urgent and do not clog the court schedule. I think most of the costs come from the time that is lost for BS appeals (which you cannot identify beforehand) and the hourly wages the court personal are paid while processing these appeals.
Then there are the cost of the separate facilities for the death row prisoners.
Capital punishment is a barbaric remnant of uncivilized society. Capital punishment is immoral in principle, and unfair and discriminatory in practice. No one deserves to die. When the government metes out vengeance disguised as justice, it becomes complicit with killers in devaluing human life and human dignity.
In civilized society, we reject the principle of doing to criminals what they do to their victims: The penalty for rape cannot be rape, or for arson, the burning down of the arsonist's house. We should not, therefore, punish the murderer with death.
I think the death penalty is wrong, immoral, unethical, and just plain stupid. Thank you for showing many more people that victims are against capital punishment.
Isn't it virtually free to execute someone? California is the most mismanaged states in the union and all it's corruption is what makes it too expensive.
@GreenPliskin Another person who just isn't keeping up with the facts. The cost has nothing to do with the way you kill the person. The costs have to do with the process that gets put in place to make sure people have a fair trial on their way to the death penalty.
@dafedge2007 yeah and its cunts like u that have made the US the laughing stock of the world fair my ass but whatever live in ur bubble till ur faced with the hard fact of reality
@OCkiddo Actually, that was a slip their. I meant to say "to try to make sure people get a fair trial". I'm against the death penalty for exactly this reason.
I don't think it'll happen, as an outsider looking in, all I can tell is that the national climate against the president would bring about the type of conservatives who would support the death penalty who are just voting to try and get Obama out of office. Though every fiber of my being hopes they fail. As a Texas resident, trust me you don't want our governor, WE don't want him!
I dont see how we can spend that much money 4 billion for 13 POS on the death penalty when I can buy 50x 22 LR - 33 gr TCHP - Remington - Yellow Jackets for like 8 bucks I mean a couple in the off button quick easy and no mess a ShamWOW cant take care of right? Talk About a budget cuts
@OCkiddo And another person who has not paid attention to the argument. The cost has nothing to do with the means of execution. You could execute each prisoner with a diamond encrusted syringe and you wouldn't really affect the cost. The cost comes from the extra effort that has to be made, through the appeals process, to make sure you don't execute the innocent. Considering the number one argument against the death penalty here is "what if you get the wrong guy", you can't change that cost
@OCkiddo Look, I realize video streaming in your trailer park takes time, but that is no excuse not to watch the video. There is some text, which you will clearly need someone to read to you. But after that, you will be informed.
I really dont understand what a death penalty is trying to achieve. Because a) "lets kill someone for killing someone" - 2 wrongs dont make a right. b) They are locked up and no longer cause a threat to society.
I'm all for the death penalty, for the undeniably guilty: mason, bundy, bush, cheney, gacy, etc. You know really sick and evil SOBs that need to know absolute fear and terror before passing, I am also for torturing them to really drive in the fear and pain.
But that said, 4 billion to exicute 13 animals with no right to live is too much. CA is full of steep cliffs, I don't know if anyone in CA can own a gun so thats not an option.
@YoungRepublicanx2 are you literally retarded? did you watch the video? the death penalty will be replaced by LIFE in prison without porole. of course the comment by the republican is the dumbest one on here
@luvcheney1 Right There's a Christian thought. I saw that in the Republican debates where the party of "Christian," values applauded wildly, orgasmically at the mention of 234 people being executed. And, in the next debate when asked if we should let an uninsured person in a coma die, some in the crowd screamed "YEAH! LET HIM DIE!" Heartless, soulless, blood thirsty ghouls . . . would, be the only words to describe them. They are as far away from Jesus's message as one could ever hope to get.
@JosephCa64 Regarding "Heartless, soulless, blood thirsty ghouls", nowhere in the Bible is there a case for govt charity, its individual, family, church.Mathew6, 1 states, “1 Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. YOU go find the quote Jesus saying GOVT charity, or Moses, or anybody. In other words, be discreet you motherfucking liar. Dont play Bible games with me, you GodDamn idiot.
@JosephCa64 Regarding "Heartless, soulless, blood thirsty ghouls", nowhere in the Bible is there a case for govt charity, its individual, family, church.Mathew6, 1 states, “1 Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. YOU go find the quote Jesus saying GOVT charity, or Moses, or anybody. In other words, be discreet you motherfucking liar. Dont play Bible games with me, you GodDamn idiot.
why is the goverment allowed to kill but not these serial killers? im against death penalty. if anybody is allowed to kill the fucker who killed your family than its the victim, but no goverment.
fabulouspierce 4 days ago
A bullet costs 30 cents
tancheeken 1 week ago
Seems like cali is the one who needs the death penalty.
beerscientist357 2 weeks ago
why is death penalty so expensive?? Its a one time thing, and the prisoner dies and end of story... No?
Rawinho 1 month ago
I would love to hear the explanation of how in the hell it's even physically possible for executions to cost MORE than keeping them alive till they expire of old age or some other means. It's not exactly humane for someone (say, myself) to brick an inmate in the face till he's dead for free, but it's at least possible.
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Life without the possibility of parole is not that at all. The recent pardons show evidence of that.
DerrickJeff21 1 month ago
Talking and reporting on supporting the abolition of the death penalty is one thing, a state actually abolishing it is a different story all together.
akkermanism 1 month ago
i am against the death penalty and i will always be against the death penalty
VampiresBiteHard666 1 month ago
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flexbrat 2 months ago
The real question is why is there crimes.
rayovacking 2 months ago
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goodyoj 2 months ago
There should be a better way to maintain all financial costs down for prison inmates, especially those who have been convicted to receive the DEATH PENALTY.
This is what Californians should be fighting for: reduce prison inmate costs, prison guard salaries, and the entire bureaucratic prison systems which costs billions, etc.
Californians need to stand up and stream line the Death Penalty, say, no longer than ONE YEAR ...wait time, after being convicted.
The excess money for schools!
Dangerdoom68 2 months ago
@Dangerdoom68 That sounds like an excellent system if you want to execute innocent people and turn prisons into factories of professional criminals.
NLSJ 1 month ago
Seriously why does the death penalty cost so much? I am only 18 so cut me some slack.
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@NexusARC It's largely the special facilities which cost three times more than for the average inmate and the high cost appeals process. The average death row inmate is on death row 13 to 15 so it adds up. Having inmates is never cheap but death row inmates are expensive. This does not include execution costs and overtime related to keeping order during executions and last minute legal or medical costs.
LancePoint9 2 months ago
@LancePoint9 Thank you, and let me just say damn.
NexusARC 2 months ago
@NexusARC yh someone answer this question??
MrBenjamin10001 2 months ago
wasted billions just for a stupid electric chair? god dammmmmm. just point and shoot.. doesnt cost more than 50$ >.> america is not smart
jslindsey93 2 months ago
Monsters need too die, unless your a Liberal that Masterbates too Evil.
ScientologySucksAss 2 months ago
I do not believe that the "voters" have a voice in any way what so ever because who is REALLY counting those votes? Are we voting on a fictitious issue? Appeasing the citizens of the United States by "letting them vote" but in all actuality, the government fixes votes anyway...lose/lose situation for the citizens...if the government wants to keep something a law or on their side, they will make it go their way...just as that.
mamadozier1971 2 months ago
What many don't realize is that the reason why the death penalty is expensive is because the equipment is expensive, the ones on death row get a last meal and other luxuries. In America torture is unacceptable, if you are willing to kill terrorist with excutions why would you do the same to to an American prisoner? It's just to easy, the real punishment is shame and the distance spent away from society. There also criminals who have mental disorders and have been sentenced. It's not right
UserPaaint 3 months ago 5
california needs the death penalty. they got all the gangs!
tatomuck18 3 months ago
How about stabbing them to death? That's the cost of a kitchen knife, which is about $3 at the Dollartree. That's gotta be cheaper than life in prison.
Tsugua21 3 months ago
@Tsugua21 you are forgetting about the 8th amendment to the constitution which no one can overcome...but the president can send a missile across the globe (drone) to kill a united states citizen (Afghanistan) who was committing treason...so with this being said, who's going to go against the President? Plus there are many secrets kept in the government that us citizens have no clue are happening..."conspiracies" that's why Jesse Ventura's TV show was taken off the Tru TV network...
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Tsugua21 3 months ago
The fact of the matter is that as long as we have a flawed legal system being overseen by flawed human beings, we cannot in any sort of good conscience execute people for crimes that they may or may not have committed. Aside from the financial issues, there is also a clear moral issue when it comes to the Death Penalty and who, what, where, how and why it is applied.
shooter297 3 months ago
@MrThiefykern How is an execution murder? it isn't about killing them, it's about removing them from society permanently, cheaply and without consequense.
tumortim666 3 months ago
I say Fuck Scott Peterson and the others but I am against the death penalty. The death penalty is too easy for them.
MzBUZZKILINGTON 3 months ago 3
How does the death penalty cost more than life in prison?
mrfishsticklover 3 months ago
the death penalty stems from a dubious conception of punitive justice. in a democratic society, in which human and civil rights are the foundation, the role of the penal system is to secure the safety of society, not retribution. if fear or anger become the sole basis upon which we unnecesarily deny basic rights then we've taken one step towards tyranny.
fede2 3 months ago
only way to wake up americans is to yell about money... pathetic.
Darusdei 4 months ago
The main view point may surprisingly about religion.
Some people think death penalty will send the criminal to hell, but for people less prone to believe in fairy tales, the death penalty is too easy.
Plus it is not the first time we have wrongly executed innocent people.
I am not sure if California will vote to abolish the death penalty, but as a Californian I am for getting rid of death penalty.
Rotting in jail is more of a punishment than death, and it gives wrongly accused a chance.
Neosaigo 4 months ago
@Neosaigo I am against the death penalty solely because executing just one innocent person is unacceptable. However, if a person murdered my loved ones, I will have no ethical qualms about murdering him or her the second I get the chance. People can tell me all they want that they will be a saint and let the murderer go, but in that situation, if you have a gun to their head, you'd pull the trigger, too.
DeadFishFactory 3 months ago
It's good to see that there are still some reasonable people in the US.
Zipzap220 4 months ago
@aztlan1983
Here, let me say it this way: when you die, you're dead. Of only THAT much can we certain, so when talking about criminal justice, only THAT much can we BANK on. Maybe there is an afterlife, but since we don't, and can never, KNOW this, it's absolutely pointless to plan as if there were. You know?
macgeek2004 4 months ago
@aztlan1983
That's retarded. God either does NOT exist or he doesn't meddle in Human affairs. We have to make Justice FOR OURSELVES.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm against the death penalty, too, it just really irks me when someone says, "let god decide," because that's just about the same thing as "let him off the hook."
Here, let me say it this way: when you die, you're dead. Of only THAT much can we certain, so when talking about criminal justice, only THAT much can we BANK on. Maybe the
macgeek2004 4 months ago
Why should us as sinners be the judge for another sinners life. Let god decide what he wants to do with that sinner.
aztlan1983 4 months ago
$308 million for an execution? WTF? Just send their asses to Compton. They will get killed for free.
HybridD91 4 months ago
in canada, we don't have the death penalty, if you are convicted of a terrible crime you get a mandatory 25 years w/chance of parole. the catch there is that if your deemed a dangerous offender you can never get out of jail. although this is some what controversial, IMO it is far more effective and less costly then a death penalty. windsor, ontario hasn't has a murder in 2 years,
will cali res vote it out, i sure hope so, will they, doubtful. especially if special interest groups get involved.
chillytoes1 4 months ago
@MrThiefykern Hmm...well if i had a family member killed I'd sure want them dead (opinion). Also in terms of life it is relative, ending the life of a murderer is not in the standard of just plain "killing" but a act of punishment and the appeasement to know that the murderer is no longer breathing. Let's not act like self-righteous
d-bags here, if you had a family member murdered u'd want them dead or punished; not institutionalized. Shouldn't we care more about the victim than the crimin?
MrSlayerDeth 4 months ago
@MrSlayerDeth If I had a family member killed I would want the murderer to know that he/she would spend life forever in captivity. I would want the murderer kept alive but in prison in case they found additional murders that one was responsible for and I would want to know that the murderer had lost their freedom. That's my opinion.
MsColdCanada 4 months ago
If somebody murders, don't put him to death. Make him work without anything but his meas until he dies so at least he gives a fraction of what he did back to society. If you put that guy to death, then he won't suffer and can't be used for hard labor like making roads or mining.
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I'm a Liberal and a Democrat, but I'm not convinced that the death penalty is cruel or unjustifiable
Aside from the costs, what other reasons do you have on opposing it. And in terms of morality how is it wrong to kill these criminals, I mean were talking about child murderers and rapists they are in no way "victims"
Anyone can respond I just don't want no ditto-heads from either sides, no philosophical quotes either: I want independent opinions and thinkers, please help me understand why?
MrSlayerDeth 4 months ago
How dare they!!!!! What we need is to rehab these people!!! If someone rapes, than murders your child, how dare you wish death upon him!!!! It's societies fault he ended up that way. He was probably raised in a poor neighborhood and exposed to racism by evil whites! What we need is to keep these "rapists and murders" in rehab so we can one day release them into society. I say a MAX prison term of 5 years for rapists, and 10 for murders.
Vote Obama 2012
friendlyfire53 4 months ago
@MrThiefykern Its one of those crimes when you just never make everyone happy with the punishment.
Bay0991 4 months ago
Blah blah blah! More liberals weakening the system, which is why it's takes BILLIONS to finally deliver justice! BTW...the idiot that posted video doesn't REALLY know what Victims want! I for one, want the murderer dead, painfully like they did our family members!
ACPERZ 4 months ago
@ACPERZ actually he knows what some of the victims want thats the point of the video. as a matter of fact he provided video and links.
twizelby 4 months ago
@ACPERZ liberals want to weaken the system. Do you hear liberals saying they want to make "government so small you can drown it in the bathtub" that sounds like wanting to weaken the system to me
imfamoussas 4 months ago
Who can say? I thought a majority of Californians would vote to support equal marriage for all people in 2008, but I was wrong.
hailvishnu 4 months ago
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I support the death penalty in the abstract, however I agree it is pretty damn ineffective when it is done by the government. Seeing the family of victims who said it didn't help them heal is nice to hear though, it shows they still have enough humanity to find vengeance unfruitful. I don't know if the ideal death penalty can ever happen, just as I am unsure of ideal Anarchy coming to fruition, but I can hope, think, and the meanwhile keep my head level. Thanks for the vid. :)
krouwtheknockingcrow 4 months ago
I support the death penalty in the abstract, however I agree it is pretty damn ineffective when it is done by the government. Seeing the family of victims who said it didn't help them heal is nice to hear though, it shows they still have enough humanity to find vengeance unfruitful. I don't know if the ideal death penalty can ever happen, just as I am unsure of ideal Anarchy coming to fruition, but I can hope, think, and the meanwhile keep my head level. Thanks for the vid. :)
krouwtheknockingcrow 4 months ago
Stop privatizing penitentiaries, nothing good ever comes of it. And hospitals, add hospitals to the no-private list.
AncelDeLambert 4 months ago
@MrThiefykern Or it will prevent the first eye from being removed. Not that I'm for the death penalty, but that's a bad argument oft repeated as wisdom. The argument comes from (a) the rights of the state and (b) the policy's effectiveness.
AbeChang2 5 months ago
What don't get is how it cost so much to execute a person, feel like it'd cost a couple of hundred at most.
Christianrocker1990 5 months ago
@Christianrocker1990 more like a $3 knife
Tsugua21 3 months ago
Im not necessarily against killing rapists and murderers, they don't deserve to live any more than the people they killed. My problem is that you can never prove beyond reasonable doubt that someone is guilty of anything. Its not like in CSI where they can rotate CCTV footage to see around objects. It happens often enough where people on death row, or already executed, have been proven innocent by new forensic technology that it amounts to the government torturing and murdering innocent people
TheRhinehart86 5 months ago
I'm pro-life.
perdidaentusojos 5 months ago
Your system cares more about criminals than victims, particurly if the criminals are black and the victims are white. Your system was good now it has gone soft. The system here in Australia has always been a pathetic joke, it was just nice to know that there was a time when justice did exist in the world.
WhiteIndependence 5 months ago
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@WhiteIndependence
you have no clue as to what you're talking about!
None!
PhatChick722 5 months ago
trouble is no one gets life, everyone gets released, America is far too soft on crime.
WhiteIndependence 5 months ago
those 13 sacks of inferior sub human sacks of shit, weren't worth it, I would have done it for 4 grand not 4 billion.
WhiteIndependence 5 months ago
@WhiteIndependence
A guy with the username "Whiteindependence" who sounds like he has the all the mental fortitude of a peanut? Will wonders never cease?
CrunchyMush 5 months ago
When someone is found guilty with corroborating forensic evidence, the appeals process should be streamlined and not costly. I don't agree with the death penalty for people accused with just eyewitness testimony or confessions.; both of these have been proven to be in error - but science doesn't lie. They should be put to death without hesitation and without mercy.
bendkafka 5 months ago
@bendkafka
Actually science does lie... that is to say the humans who perform the science are fallible. Google the New Scientist article "Fallible DNA evidence can mean prison or freedom". Forensics in general isn't quite what it's cracked up to be and there are a disturbing number of convictions overturned due to sloppy or biased forensics. We shouldn't be killing people based on this kind of evidence.
CrunchyMush 5 months ago
@CrunchyMush
Bingo!
For example Charles Randal Smith a forensic pathologist, his testimony led to the conviction of William Mullins Johnson who in turn spent 12 yrs behind bars after being found guilty of killing his 4yr old niece.
His licence has now been stripped after new evidence showed Johnson was actually innocent.
PhatChick722 5 months ago
I will help abolish the death penalty by voting against it.
curingaging00 5 months ago
Reasons to End the death penalty.
1) its a waste of money, Death penalty cases on average are far more expensive then life sentences.
2)MANY people who have been put to death who were later found innocent.
3)If you are poor you are more likely to be put to death, sometimes there are even racial biases involved in the death penalty.
4) Death penalty DOES NO I repeat DOES NOT lower homicide rates. States which carry the death penalty have higher murder rates then those that don't carry it.
curingaging00 5 months ago
When you attack the death penalty for actually costing taxpayers more money as oposed to it being somehow wrong, the solution is a simple one. Eliminate the many appeals and added costs it takes to make it so expensive. "Some" families opposed the death penalty? Perhaps, but not all. For some it is the first step in the healing process and the restoration of the sense of justice.
bendkafka 5 months ago
@bendkafka
So you're suggesting that they should spend *less* effort ensuring that the defendants are guilty before killing them? Fuck it, lets just have a guy at the courtroom with a gun so he can shoot defendants as soon as the judge bangs his gavel. That'll save a fortune!
The process is expensive because if you're going to endorse a draconian policy of government sanctioned murder, you at-least want to make sure you've got the right guy, and yet history shows they still get it wrong.
CrunchyMush 5 months ago
@CrunchyMush
What makes life without parole any different? The guy has his entire lifetime to appeal and bring his case higher and higher. Same court proceedings, same money spent per trial, more trials.
Ensuring the right person is executing is worth the trial money but the fact is the rich will appeal their way out of the punishment be it life imprisonment or the death penalty.
arugono 5 months ago
@arugono
Because any jail sentence can be reversed in the event that future evidence exonerates the defendant. Even if they never manage to prove themselves innocent (assuming they were), they at-least get some degree of determination over the remainder of their life. Once you kill them, there is no going back.
The fact that even one innocent person has been murdered by the system of justice created to protect them is unforgivable. No justice system warrants gambling with stakes that high.
CrunchyMush 5 months ago
@CrunchyMush
The argument for life without parole versus the death penalty is 1 issue. The other is the amount of money being wasted in appeals and lawyers. I do not think changing to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole is going to save much more money though it might save a few lives.
In terms of justice, life without parole seems less likely to punish the wrong person over the long run but it probably will not reduce the cost of the sentence in terms of appeals,
arugono 5 months ago
@arugono
The money is only wasted if you assume that every person sentenced to death is guilty - the fact is they aren't. The costly appeals process is necessary due to the severity and irreversibility of the sentence.
Whether you personally think life in prison is less costly than execution, the data is quite clear that executing prisoners is significantly more expensive than keeping them in prison indefinitely.
CrunchyMush 5 months ago
I'm hopeful that California will abolish the death penalty.
But I cannot see it happening, because there is still too much faux news, and too many dummies watching it...
powersmine 5 months ago
@MrThiefykern "send me your wives to bath me. while they are here they will suck my balls" gandhi
Dart11112 5 months ago
To answer the last question, i certainly hope so.
TheMisken 5 months ago
@ilisbaani
4 BILLION with a "B"
magnumx23 5 months ago
4 million dollars or 4 billion dollars?
ilisbaani 5 months ago
So according to News10, American dollars are more important than setting wrongfully convicted people free. Wow.
BCBtheBeastlyBeast 5 months ago 26
they are lying about the cost i know so many people who would do that shit for free
jjtheslayer69 5 months ago
@jjtheslayer69
Go away, you idiotic troll.
ThirdRAILKink 5 months ago
this is like keeping cancer
because you dont want to kill cancer
because that would make you as bad as cancer
fuckin idiots
jjtheslayer69 5 months ago
fuck that kill em they are garbage
how are yall gonna call youselves liberals
a real liberal would say fuck it, kill them
the evolutionary chain shows that the strong will continue
thats called progression, not killing them is the most conservative thing i can think of XD
jjtheslayer69 5 months ago
@jjtheslayer69
If we were truly concerned with guiding our societal evolution toward something greater we'd kill idiotic people like you who have the equivalent level of understanding of evolution and societal progression as a pineapple.
I'm not sure if that sentence would have made any sense to you so I'll paraphrase it for you. "Go fuck a rail spike, dimwit"
CrunchyMush 5 months ago
@CrunchyMush why by letting the mentaly unstable mate with conjecal visits and what not
by by promoting mental weakness by letting people know they can kill somone and steal their wallet
at risk of a home where you dont have to work if You dont want to
and get fed better than a half the world does ,i hope you die from choking on pineapple
the irony would strengthen my will to live and those i will create with my penis
jjtheslayer69 5 months ago
@jjtheslayer69
Are you a 6 year old or do you just write like one?
Honestly, if you can't even bring yourself to write in sentences like primary children are taught to, you should probably not bother tackling subjects more complex than how to button your coveralls.
Stop dribbling shit about eugenics. You clearly don't understand it.
CrunchyMush 5 months ago
@CrunchyMush i doubt a child or you would be smart enough to get the irony of you choking on a pineapple
after your statement about me being as smart as one
your a waste of time
jjtheslayer69 5 months ago
@jjtheslayer69
I'm pretty sure anybody with a 3rd grade level of reading comprehension picked up on your clever wordplay. Having said that, I would also expect a 3rd grader to use punctuation and differentiate between "your" and "you're" so I'm not sure exactly what to think.
I do think it's quaint, though, that someone as obviously mentally deficient as yourself feels qualified to comment on social policy like you're Ayn fucking Rand.
CrunchyMush 5 months ago
@jjtheslayer69
I'm pretty sure anybody with a 3rd grade level of reading comprehension picked up on your clever wordplay. Having said that, I would also expect a 3rd grader to use punctuation and differentiate between "your" and "you're" so I'm not sure exactly what to think.
I do think it's quaint, though, that someone as obviously mentally deficient as yourself feels qualified to comment on social policy like you're Ayn fucking Rand.
CrunchyMush 5 months ago
@CrunchyMush ha dumb ass, i own ayn rand, now whos illiterated?
jjtheslayer69 5 months ago
Settle down, Plato. Just believe whatever the shadowpuppets say.
WouldbeSage 5 months ago
this is culturual decay there is no conspiracy of puppet masters wanting to idiotize americans, you ARE idiots! this culture you have created won't end in ages to come.
FreeeeS 5 months ago
fuck murderers
reform the death penalty system, don't abolish it
Frances3654 5 months ago
@Frances3654 why? didn't he just say it was more costly? doesn't it seem worse being assraped in jail for the rest of your life seem worse than dying? do you want the gov't having the right to kill? what about the innocent dying without any chance of freedom? the death penalty is more costly. it could NEVER be 100% accurate. so why wouldn't you get rid of it?
amathew711 5 months ago
@Frances3654 You can't really do any better than we have in the US. People on death row have rights that you can take away with out making the death penalty illegal.
kokofan50 5 months ago
@kokofan50
oh boy
Frances3654 5 months ago
There should be no legal wrangling if the death penalty is given. The Americans want to kill the guy anyway, why waste all that resource in court? Troy Davis was killed even with all the evidence in his favour and the witnesses changing their stories. Forget about life without parole.... Its the same thing only across the guy's entire life. The US Justice System is broken and with the dumb Americans voting for dumb college failures like Bachmann and Perry, I think death is better than life.
arugono 5 months ago
@arugono
"The US Justice System is broken and with the dumb Americans voting for dumb college failures like Bachmann and Perry, I think death is better than life."
Well shut up go kill yourself then.
CrunchyMush 5 months ago
@CrunchyMush
I'm not dumb and I'm not American. Lol..... I am wondering how a country which is supposed to be smarter than the Asian nations can vote against its own interests..... I think you should go and read about other countries before you comment. You'll realise how dumb Americans are relative to the "less free" Asian nations like Thailand and Malaysia.
arugono 5 months ago
@arugono
I believe you on the second point. Still, you seem to have their entire system of justice sussed pretty well for not being American don't you?
If you're suggesting that Thailand and Malaysia have more freedom than the US, then I put it to you that you know fuck-all about any of those countries. Having spent extensive time in all 3, I can tell you life in the US is a field-day compared to anywhere in SE asia.
Make a joke about the king in Thailand and then come tell me about freedom.
CrunchyMush 5 months ago
Let me get this clear.... The USA is not only dumb but also incapable of carrying out an execution without wasting millions of dollars. 300 mill? What the hell is being used to kill these guys: designer drugs? Its ridiculous..... They should just use cyanide or carbon monoxide. Cheaper, faster and pretty humane.
arugono 5 months ago
@arugono: they may as well use cyanide to get the death sentencing over and done with. I think the death row guards would find it desirable the fact they think of death row inmates as cockroaches since day one, only for the guards for the next day drink champaign after the demise of an inmate in night or day beforehand.
Ringvireot 5 months ago
@Ringvireot
The issue to me is not so much the actual death penalty but the cost of it. The attitude of the prison guards is something pretty reprehensible if true but I guess humans just cannot be completely objective.
arugono 5 months ago
youtube is neglecting to put your videos in my subscriptions
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@LiberalViewer I think a bunch of your videos got hit by a vote bot. Keep making videos though, your real viewers appreciate what you do =D
AsSomedayItMayHappen 5 months ago
$308 million per execution?? why does it cost that much to kill somebody? I'm not advocating death penalty but $300 million per head....not serious! :(
EssentialScuba 5 months ago
@EssentialScuba The process eventually adds up to this as the execution makes it way through the legal system.
Insane, I know.
AFunkyMilkman 5 months ago
@EssentialScuba I just don't get that....
geo88058 5 months ago
@EssentialScuba
When a guy gets thrown in jail, he has nothing but time to prove himself innocent, if indeed he is innocent. However when you kill him, that option kinda goes out the window.
In lieu of any chance of reversing the sentence if it turns out to be wrong, those sentenced to death get a lot of time and access to resources to appeal their cases. This is where much of the cost comes from.
Unfortunately some innocent people have still been murdered by their government regardless.
CrunchyMush 5 months ago
California local news is notorious for bad reporting. See Don Henley's Dirty Laundry.
Pillowpants8495 5 months ago
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IF you dont support Execution you're a pussy. End of story.
TheEc95 5 months ago
Everything we build, we use to destroy.
arcanisrivet 5 months ago
NO DEATH PENALTY
edwardd6681 5 months ago
@edwardd6681 stop being pussy.
TheEc95 5 months ago
Bullets are cheap.
robinsonruiz86 5 months ago
@robinsonruiz86 Unfortunately 4 billion goes towards appeals, not electricity or injections.
lagnaf007 5 months ago
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@robinsonruiz86 "Bullets are cheap."
The legal system isn't.
hawklord2001 5 months ago
$4 Billion to execute 13 people?!
Did it ever occur to anybody that maybe they're doing it wrong?
sparkyjunk 5 months ago
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@sparkyjunk
"Did it ever occur to anybody that maybe they're doing it wrong?"
It sure did... That's why they're talking about getting rid of the death penalty.
If a system of "justice" has to be that expensive to ensure the accused are truly guilty (since there's no going back after you kill them) and *still* manages to murder some people who turned out to be not guilty, it's definitely wrong.
CrunchyMush 5 months ago
It costs $184 Million per year?!
OMG that one seriously expensive bullet!!!
sparkyjunk 5 months ago
excellent work here - i especially like you pointing out that bias is not just on a national level but at the local level.
tcdowning666 5 months ago
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hahaha. That's great! 10 million dollars spent just to kill one person! What ever happened to the good old days of rope and gravity? Only in a world this unproductive we would spend insane amounts of time, energy, and money on somebody we deem as unfit to be a part of daily society!
kmacaa 5 months ago
hahaha. That's great! 10 million dollars spent just to kill one person! What ever happened to the good old days of rope and gravity? Only in a world this unproductive we would spend insane amounts of time, energy, and money on somebody we deem as unfit to be a part of daily society!
kmacaa 5 months ago
Afghanistan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belize, Botswana, Burundi, Cameroon, Chad, China (People's Republic), Comoros, Congo (Democratic Republic), Cuba, Dominica, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Korea, North, Korea, South, Kuwait, Laos, Lesotho, Pakistan, Somalia ,Sudan, Swaziland, Syria, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, United States, Vietnam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe.
A group USA seems to fit in perfectly.
prowokator 5 months ago
Innocent people being convicted of a crime is very rare... in fact, guilty people being convicted is rare. Our system bends over backwards to protect the innocent at the expense of letting many guilty people go free.
hamsalad1361015 5 months ago
only 13 inmates... oh darn... I like how they say "only 13 inmates" as though killing more poeple would somehow justify the process... Looking for more BANG for your buck? shouldn't this be a moral question first and a money question second anyway? BTW, priestChristopher, vengence is a state of mind while an action is being carried out. You cannot make the assumption that every time someone is excecuted that it is out of revenge.
hamsalad1361015 5 months ago
I guess the death penalty FEELS like an appropriate punishment because when you hear of some of these murder stories, you become outraged. The gut reaction to want to kill the murderer feels justified. But if you look at this practice with your head instead of your gut, it really makes no sense, especially if the expense of it is tax money wasted.
Marchant2 5 months ago
The reason innocent people have died on death row is because you have prosecutors who are only concerned about getting a conviction and don't give a flip about what the truth is. If the current death penalty methods are too expensive, rope is very cheap. Someone who murderers someone in cold blood does not deserve to live, period. It's about justice.
PriestChristopher 5 months ago
@PriestChristopher that's vengeance not justice.
deraickripper 5 months ago
@deraickripper Justice is about balance. You take a life, yours is taken. That's balance.
PriestChristopher 5 months ago
@PriestChristopher so you rape you got raped? balance?? if somebody kills your son you should kill his son, that's "balance", amurabi is to old my friend
deraickripper 5 months ago
Well this is just great. Now if someone in California wants to rape and murder a child or adult, don't worry, you'll get 3 meals a day, free housing, free clothes and free healthcare for the rest of your life. Thought America was a place of justice? HA, that's just pillow talk.
PriestChristopher 5 months ago
... hanging a guy costs a rope
fanofsandler 5 months ago
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Why are those executions so expensive?
The92Waffles 5 months ago
Why are those executions so expensive?
The92Waffles 5 months ago
I never understood that argument. How does killing someone cost more than supporting them for 30+ years? It doesn't cost more to put a dog to sleep than to keep a dog in a kennel. Kill these psychos! there is no point in keeping a human being in prison for the rest of his life. Just put the poor dogs down.
CanadiaNecro1 5 months ago
@CanadiaNecro1 The lawyers consume the money. AFAIK, they cannot legally kill a guy that has an active legal appeal going on. With life sentence in prison, those appeals are not as urgent and do not clog the court schedule. I think most of the costs come from the time that is lost for BS appeals (which you cannot identify beforehand) and the hourly wages the court personal are paid while processing these appeals.
Then there are the cost of the separate facilities for the death row prisoners.
fingrid 5 months ago
f*** Media
billyjones1985 5 months ago
How about this, how about not having them sit in prison and waiting unnecessarily for years before giving them the hot shot?
rustedromeo 5 months ago
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Capital punishment is a barbaric remnant of uncivilized society. Capital punishment is immoral in principle, and unfair and discriminatory in practice. No one deserves to die. When the government metes out vengeance disguised as justice, it becomes complicit with killers in devaluing human life and human dignity.
itcanbecheezcaketime 5 months ago
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In civilized society, we reject the principle of doing to criminals what they do to their victims: The penalty for rape cannot be rape, or for arson, the burning down of the arsonist's house. We should not, therefore, punish the murderer with death.
itcanbecheezcaketime 5 months ago
@YoungRepublicanx2 So... How does your foot taste?
ahachie 5 months ago
I think the death penalty is wrong, immoral, unethical, and just plain stupid. Thank you for showing many more people that victims are against capital punishment.
LBPThe2nd 5 months ago
Isn't it virtually free to execute someone? California is the most mismanaged states in the union and all it's corruption is what makes it too expensive.
lestliness 5 months ago
Firing squads, bullets are cheaper than the chair or injection.
GreenPliskin 5 months ago
@GreenPliskin Another person who just isn't keeping up with the facts. The cost has nothing to do with the way you kill the person. The costs have to do with the process that gets put in place to make sure people have a fair trial on their way to the death penalty.
dafedge2007 5 months ago
@dafedge2007 yeah and its cunts like u that have made the US the laughing stock of the world fair my ass but whatever live in ur bubble till ur faced with the hard fact of reality
OCkiddo 5 months ago
@OCkiddo Actually, that was a slip their. I meant to say "to try to make sure people get a fair trial". I'm against the death penalty for exactly this reason.
dafedge2007 5 months ago
I don't think it'll happen, as an outsider looking in, all I can tell is that the national climate against the president would bring about the type of conservatives who would support the death penalty who are just voting to try and get Obama out of office. Though every fiber of my being hopes they fail. As a Texas resident, trust me you don't want our governor, WE don't want him!
calthopian 5 months ago
Prison in general is as flawed of a concept as our industrial age education system, or some unions.
nidodson 5 months ago
i say we should just use prisoners as free labor
extreamninja15 5 months ago
I dont see how we can spend that much money 4 billion for 13 POS on the death penalty when I can buy 50x 22 LR - 33 gr TCHP - Remington - Yellow Jackets for like 8 bucks I mean a couple in the off button quick easy and no mess a ShamWOW cant take care of right? Talk About a budget cuts
OCkiddo 5 months ago
@OCkiddo And another person who has not paid attention to the argument. The cost has nothing to do with the means of execution. You could execute each prisoner with a diamond encrusted syringe and you wouldn't really affect the cost. The cost comes from the extra effort that has to be made, through the appeals process, to make sure you don't execute the innocent. Considering the number one argument against the death penalty here is "what if you get the wrong guy", you can't change that cost
dafedge2007 5 months ago
@OCkiddo Look, I realize video streaming in your trailer park takes time, but that is no excuse not to watch the video. There is some text, which you will clearly need someone to read to you. But after that, you will be informed.
ahachie 5 months ago
I really dont understand what a death penalty is trying to achieve. Because a) "lets kill someone for killing someone" - 2 wrongs dont make a right. b) They are locked up and no longer cause a threat to society.
WeBecomeSilhouettess 5 months ago
I'm all for the death penalty, for the undeniably guilty: mason, bundy, bush, cheney, gacy, etc. You know really sick and evil SOBs that need to know absolute fear and terror before passing, I am also for torturing them to really drive in the fear and pain.
But that said, 4 billion to exicute 13 animals with no right to live is too much. CA is full of steep cliffs, I don't know if anyone in CA can own a gun so thats not an option.
pistolpete1st 5 months ago
how much does a Bullet cost..? people ...please.
ultralight9 5 months ago
@YoungRepublicanx2 are you literally retarded? did you watch the video? the death penalty will be replaced by LIFE in prison without porole. of course the comment by the republican is the dumbest one on here
SUlax1017 5 months ago
We are the only first world democracy, which puts people to death(period).
JosephCa64 5 months ago 11
@JosephCa64
You're wrong. Japan, Singapore and Taiwan routinely use the death penalty.
Israel has the penalty on their books, though they've only used it for a Nazi war criminal and a supposed traitor.
Marcescu 5 months ago
@JosephCa64 Thats only one of the reasons we are great.
luvcheney1 5 months ago
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JosephCa64 5 months ago
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@luvcheney1 Right There's a Christian thought. I saw that in the Republican debates where the party of "Christian," values applauded wildly, orgasmically at the mention of 234 people being executed. And, in the next debate when asked if we should let an uninsured person in a coma die, some in the crowd screamed "YEAH! LET HIM DIE!" Heartless, soulless, blood thirsty ghouls . . . would, be the only words to describe them. They are as far away from Jesus's message as one could ever hope to get.
JosephCa64 5 months ago
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@JosephCa64 Regarding "Heartless, soulless, blood thirsty ghouls", nowhere in the Bible is there a case for govt charity, its individual, family, church.Mathew6, 1 states, “1 Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. YOU go find the quote Jesus saying GOVT charity, or Moses, or anybody. In other words, be discreet you motherfucking liar. Dont play Bible games with me, you GodDamn idiot.
luvcheney1 5 months ago
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@JosephCa64 Regarding "Heartless, soulless, blood thirsty ghouls", nowhere in the Bible is there a case for govt charity, its individual, family, church.Mathew6, 1 states, “1 Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. YOU go find the quote Jesus saying GOVT charity, or Moses, or anybody. In other words, be discreet you motherfucking liar. Dont play Bible games with me, you GodDamn idiot.
luvcheney1 5 months ago
@JosephCa64 I'm beginning to question America's "first world" status.
devourerofbabies 5 months ago