Like I said, dom. doctrine is wrong. I don't think it reflects Christian doctrine.I was raised Episcopalian so if you want to talk weird "magic" ideas, they have them, not Baptists. I don't let people who claim to believe as I do keep me from believing myself. Political involvement ruined a lot of churches and I wish they would steer clear of it. Still, homosexuality is wrong from what I read in the Bible, just like adultery, fornication, murder, lying, etc. I am duty bound to say so.
@ConfederateGypsy I understand that not all fundamentalists are dominionists. I also think many of their supporters do not understand what they are supporting
Contrary to what you may think I'm not disturbed by your position regarding gays. I don't feel the same but you have a right to to your beliefs. It is the attempt to subvert civil law, to enforce ideas of religious law in the public domain, that I am very Much opposed to.
@MacNutz2 For the record, I do NOT consider myself a fundamentalist. Civil law was/is set up in many ways to oppose the gay agenda and was set up that way long before you and I were born. Some things are just contrary to stability of civilization. Homosexuality is one of those.
I don't pick and choose what in Scripture is still binding or not. This has been done for me by the apostles.Common social justice? Not sure how you may define it but I think loving God first and others as yourself may be it.Homosexual activity is condemned in both testaments. Eating shellfish is not.Obsession I suppose is in the eye of the beholder. I find your argument rather weak but typical of many. I once said the same sort of thing myself before I was a Christian.It is not new.
@ConfederateGypsy There are so many ways in which Christians pick and choose.
I am not suggesting anyone is obsessed with shellfish. I am talking about the absolute obsession with gay people.
I was a Christian for years, starting as a Southern Baptist. I left the Baptists early (1965 or '66), the hypocrisy was way too thick. Was always protestant and evangelical until the contradictions and magical ideas became too much. I have never regretted freeing myself from that web
I agree dominionism is bankrupt.After all,Christains of the 1st century AD didn't try to take over the Roman Empire. Your shellfish idea is irrelevant. Paul went to great lengths to make it plain that ceremonial laws of the OT are not binding now.If you can show me a Scripture verse out of the King James New Testament that says Sunday is in any way sacred, I would be amazed.BTW,I was born in 1955, raised in rural N.C., saved in 1976, never went to a Baptist church until after I was a Christian.
@ConfederateGypsy I think my point stands that you pick and choose which parts of the book are true and or important and which parts are not. Once again it comes to convenience and common social practice. Likewise the mixing of two threads. Not dietary, law which you just wave off, but another abomination you choose to ignore. All three things are described and condemned in exactly the same way. Yet, believers obsess on one and ignore the others. The sex obsession is strange and hypocritical.
@ChurchOfKali66619 I'm not having problems with that but I can no longer post video responses. I keep sending bug reports but all to no avail. This is a very buggy site, youtube.
It is amusing how fundamental Christians are still selective about which abominations are important and which ones can be glossed over. 420simpson made a similar point.
@JTlovesDexter2 Yes, so what? I'm in the coolest part of Hell, 19 percent atheist, the highest number in all of Hell. It's mostly Christians and Muslims down here.
However, since I am a citizen of hell it is my duty to sweat and complain when talking to the living. It's part of some contract to preserve Hell's reputation since modernization and air conditioning. Global warming? All this heat gotta' go somewhere. Welcome to Hell's air conditioning exhaust. :)
@JTlovesDexter2 We all do our little part. :) Thanks for doing yours. BTW, Satan is no longer in charge, he now sits on the advisory council to the Lords Chamber in the new Parliament of Hades. We're a democratic collective now, hence the introduction of air conditioning and thermal vents now heat the previously frozen sections. Old Dante himself proposed that improvement. Plays hell on Iceland's' volcanoes. But you can't please everyone.
@MacNutz2 Say what? You mean there's democracy in hell? I reckon you can thank the Indianapolis Colts for the introduction of air conditioning..., because everyone here always said it would be a cold day in hell when they won a Super Bowl (XLI)
@JTlovesDexter2 It's a democratic socialist collective with universal medical care. The kinds of changes we've made require the support of the citizens for massive public works projects that could never be accomplished in corporate Jesus land. This is Hell, even the rich get taxed, especially the rich because its Hell for the rich and the poor.
Got to go, late for my whorl pool time. Have a hot date, gots to be clean and relaxed. Another shitty day in Hell :)
I've actually heard 2 different things from people that are part of the same church. 1 said that all you need is faith and the other said that you need faith and works to get into heaven. I've even heard it from different pastors of the same religion. They can't even get their own beliefs right and yet they expect us to believe what they say.
@lautz73 faith verses good works is a long standing debate in Christianity. It's never good when the pure faith faction wins, they can justify anything 'cause they have faith that is what gawd wants.
dominionists ? Sounds like a cult from outer space. A very bad cult. christians are just sinners saved by faith. When one adds a control aspect that is a cult of man. This is like Diotrephes or Simon the sorcerer. I live in America and there should be no laws respecting an establishment of religion. Religions in the classical sense and nations that are establishments of religion whether christian, jewish, islam, hindu, or whatever.
@tenagliac In deed, the name or place or origin of a religion makes no difference I have disagreements with everyone of faith but not problem with or opposition toward those who don't confuse their spiritual needs with political ambitions of a few.
Yes the Christian Dominionists want "dominion over every aspect of life and thought." I got that quote wrong in the the video. Mammon, my grandfather would say, mammon worshipers. Pulpit whores. The Devil's fools and minions.
I had a discussion (heckling him) with a Evangelical named, Buddy Fisher. Fisher was preaching about sin and how looking at a woman is cheating or being mad is murder. We discussed morality and how one sin is worse then the other and about god's morality when it comes to forgiveness. I found one question he couldn't look in his book and answer "If a fundamentalist Christian dies a split second after being angry (for someone cutting him off) would he go to hell for being mad?".
@ravenheart93 What? No last rites? Nope, he's a goner. Unless he is one of the evangelicals that believe merely saying yes to Jesus forgives all sins, past, present, and future. Some actually believe that.
great subject and video,macnutz2!isn't pat robertson a dominionist?for some reason his name pops in my head when you said that.maybe i just recall him talking ABOUT dominionism back when i used to watch "the 700 club"...
@practicalmagic9 yes in deed, his fat filthy richness is a dominionist. Rushdoony and other prominent dominionists have been on the 700 Club guest list.
@MacNutz2 thank you!just wanted to confirm i remembered that correctly.the other factoid abt robertson was his near obsession with thoroughbred horses...little ferarris that poop...i always wondered if he raced them or just sold them to breeders who raced them.
Charging interest on a loan is an abomination! Now many Muslims strictly follow this law as well as most the Old Testament... it's called Sharia Law. Islam would be an excellent model for Dominionists to follow, maybe they would learn the right way to do it. And then the west could finally slide back into the middle ages and be on par with Islam.
@deepashtray Actually I believe the Muslims supply a lot of motivation and even envy for the dominionists. They certainly recognize that their goals are identical. And the sooner American Christians begin to figure that out, the better.
I suspect it will be too late before they figure out what they've invited in.
A 'Christian' American will be as impoverished as any Islamic state, for the same reasons. Very rich, very poor, and virtually nothing else.
I think it has more to do with con tactics. Make it VERY easy for victims to sign on. "All you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior, and you get infinite luxuries in paradise." Well, that example provides two tactics, the other one being: offer an outrageous reward no one can turn down.
@MrStillmans you need their money and their voting obedience. It takes money to achieve their stated ends. Money is one of the reasons the christian right has so much clout in the Republican party, money and committed votes.
Sounds like a pact with a dictator(god) to me. Giving over freewill and freethought to this dictator is very dangerous. Literal interpretation of ANY holy text is also very scary, especially when it is being used to support behaviour or actions. As a bio teacher, I am currently in the process of following, very closely, the actions of the Texas Board of Ed, with their new Evangelical Chairwoman, Barbara Cargill. Your fears are well founded. My state is also controlled by these types. Scary shit.
Like I said, dom. doctrine is wrong. I don't think it reflects Christian doctrine.I was raised Episcopalian so if you want to talk weird "magic" ideas, they have them, not Baptists. I don't let people who claim to believe as I do keep me from believing myself. Political involvement ruined a lot of churches and I wish they would steer clear of it. Still, homosexuality is wrong from what I read in the Bible, just like adultery, fornication, murder, lying, etc. I am duty bound to say so.
ConfederateGypsy 1 month ago
@ConfederateGypsy I understand that not all fundamentalists are dominionists. I also think many of their supporters do not understand what they are supporting
Contrary to what you may think I'm not disturbed by your position regarding gays. I don't feel the same but you have a right to to your beliefs. It is the attempt to subvert civil law, to enforce ideas of religious law in the public domain, that I am very Much opposed to.
Religious enforcement is not religious freedom.
MacNutz2 1 month ago
@MacNutz2 For the record, I do NOT consider myself a fundamentalist. Civil law was/is set up in many ways to oppose the gay agenda and was set up that way long before you and I were born. Some things are just contrary to stability of civilization. Homosexuality is one of those.
ConfederateGypsy 1 month ago
I don't pick and choose what in Scripture is still binding or not. This has been done for me by the apostles.Common social justice? Not sure how you may define it but I think loving God first and others as yourself may be it.Homosexual activity is condemned in both testaments. Eating shellfish is not.Obsession I suppose is in the eye of the beholder. I find your argument rather weak but typical of many. I once said the same sort of thing myself before I was a Christian.It is not new.
ConfederateGypsy 1 month ago
@ConfederateGypsy There are so many ways in which Christians pick and choose.
I am not suggesting anyone is obsessed with shellfish. I am talking about the absolute obsession with gay people.
I was a Christian for years, starting as a Southern Baptist. I left the Baptists early (1965 or '66), the hypocrisy was way too thick. Was always protestant and evangelical until the contradictions and magical ideas became too much. I have never regretted freeing myself from that web
MacNutz2 1 month ago
I agree dominionism is bankrupt.After all,Christains of the 1st century AD didn't try to take over the Roman Empire. Your shellfish idea is irrelevant. Paul went to great lengths to make it plain that ceremonial laws of the OT are not binding now.If you can show me a Scripture verse out of the King James New Testament that says Sunday is in any way sacred, I would be amazed.BTW,I was born in 1955, raised in rural N.C., saved in 1976, never went to a Baptist church until after I was a Christian.
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@ConfederateGypsy I think my point stands that you pick and choose which parts of the book are true and or important and which parts are not. Once again it comes to convenience and common social practice. Likewise the mixing of two threads. Not dietary, law which you just wave off, but another abomination you choose to ignore. All three things are described and condemned in exactly the same way. Yet, believers obsess on one and ignore the others. The sex obsession is strange and hypocritical.
MacNutz2 1 month ago
Mac, is it just me or have you had trouble voting? I can vote down, but it totally ignores my up-votes. Yes, I know it blocks revoting, but WTF?
ChurchOfKali66619 6 months ago
@ChurchOfKali66619 I'm not having problems with that but I can no longer post video responses. I keep sending bug reports but all to no avail. This is a very buggy site, youtube.
MacNutz2 6 months ago
You don't have to hate the right people, you have to hate the Left people. :-) >
tctheunbeliever 7 months ago 2
It is amusing how fundamental Christians are still selective about which abominations are important and which ones can be glossed over. 420simpson made a similar point.
finlarg 7 months ago
C'mon Mac - admit it! We all know that you're broadcasting from Hell - no reason to make excuses about why it's so HOT there ; )
Great video, my friend!!
JTlovesDexter2 7 months ago
@JTlovesDexter2 Yes, so what? I'm in the coolest part of Hell, 19 percent atheist, the highest number in all of Hell. It's mostly Christians and Muslims down here.
However, since I am a citizen of hell it is my duty to sweat and complain when talking to the living. It's part of some contract to preserve Hell's reputation since modernization and air conditioning. Global warming? All this heat gotta' go somewhere. Welcome to Hell's air conditioning exhaust. :)
MacNutz2 7 months ago
@MacNutz2 Aww geez! And here I thought my hot flashes were the cause of global warming ; P
JTlovesDexter2 7 months ago
@JTlovesDexter2 We all do our little part. :) Thanks for doing yours. BTW, Satan is no longer in charge, he now sits on the advisory council to the Lords Chamber in the new Parliament of Hades. We're a democratic collective now, hence the introduction of air conditioning and thermal vents now heat the previously frozen sections. Old Dante himself proposed that improvement. Plays hell on Iceland's' volcanoes. But you can't please everyone.
MacNutz2 7 months ago
@MacNutz2 Say what? You mean there's democracy in hell? I reckon you can thank the Indianapolis Colts for the introduction of air conditioning..., because everyone here always said it would be a cold day in hell when they won a Super Bowl (XLI)
JTlovesDexter2 7 months ago
@JTlovesDexter2 It's a democratic socialist collective with universal medical care. The kinds of changes we've made require the support of the citizens for massive public works projects that could never be accomplished in corporate Jesus land. This is Hell, even the rich get taxed, especially the rich because its Hell for the rich and the poor.
Got to go, late for my whorl pool time. Have a hot date, gots to be clean and relaxed. Another shitty day in Hell :)
MacNutz2 7 months ago
Great questions, Mac, though for some reason I strongly suspect that you'll get no answers.
TheLivingDinosaur 7 months ago
@TheLivingDinosaur yes, some things never change. I have never gotten a straight answer to any of these questions.
MacNutz2 7 months ago
I've actually heard 2 different things from people that are part of the same church. 1 said that all you need is faith and the other said that you need faith and works to get into heaven. I've even heard it from different pastors of the same religion. They can't even get their own beliefs right and yet they expect us to believe what they say.
lautz73 7 months ago
@lautz73 faith verses good works is a long standing debate in Christianity. It's never good when the pure faith faction wins, they can justify anything 'cause they have faith that is what gawd wants.
MacNutz2 7 months ago
Looking hale and hardy! Inescapable logic I must say!
stromatolite775 7 months ago
dominionists ? Sounds like a cult from outer space. A very bad cult. christians are just sinners saved by faith. When one adds a control aspect that is a cult of man. This is like Diotrephes or Simon the sorcerer. I live in America and there should be no laws respecting an establishment of religion. Religions in the classical sense and nations that are establishments of religion whether christian, jewish, islam, hindu, or whatever.
tenagliac 7 months ago
@tenagliac In deed, the name or place or origin of a religion makes no difference I have disagreements with everyone of faith but not problem with or opposition toward those who don't confuse their spiritual needs with political ambitions of a few.
Yes the Christian Dominionists want "dominion over every aspect of life and thought." I got that quote wrong in the the video. Mammon, my grandfather would say, mammon worshipers. Pulpit whores. The Devil's fools and minions.
MacNutz2 7 months ago
I had a discussion (heckling him) with a Evangelical named, Buddy Fisher. Fisher was preaching about sin and how looking at a woman is cheating or being mad is murder. We discussed morality and how one sin is worse then the other and about god's morality when it comes to forgiveness. I found one question he couldn't look in his book and answer "If a fundamentalist Christian dies a split second after being angry (for someone cutting him off) would he go to hell for being mad?".
ravenheart93 7 months ago
@ravenheart93 What? No last rites? Nope, he's a goner. Unless he is one of the evangelicals that believe merely saying yes to Jesus forgives all sins, past, present, and future. Some actually believe that.
MacNutz2 7 months ago
great subject and video,macnutz2!isn't pat robertson a dominionist?for some reason his name pops in my head when you said that.maybe i just recall him talking ABOUT dominionism back when i used to watch "the 700 club"...
practicalmagic9 7 months ago
@practicalmagic9 yes in deed, his fat filthy richness is a dominionist. Rushdoony and other prominent dominionists have been on the 700 Club guest list.
MacNutz2 7 months ago
@MacNutz2 thank you!just wanted to confirm i remembered that correctly.the other factoid abt robertson was his near obsession with thoroughbred horses...little ferarris that poop...i always wondered if he raced them or just sold them to breeders who raced them.
practicalmagic9 7 months ago
Charging interest on a loan is an abomination! Now many Muslims strictly follow this law as well as most the Old Testament... it's called Sharia Law. Islam would be an excellent model for Dominionists to follow, maybe they would learn the right way to do it. And then the west could finally slide back into the middle ages and be on par with Islam.
deepashtray 7 months ago
@deepashtray Actually I believe the Muslims supply a lot of motivation and even envy for the dominionists. They certainly recognize that their goals are identical. And the sooner American Christians begin to figure that out, the better.
I suspect it will be too late before they figure out what they've invited in.
A 'Christian' American will be as impoverished as any Islamic state, for the same reasons. Very rich, very poor, and virtually nothing else.
MacNutz2 7 months ago
I think it has more to do with con tactics. Make it VERY easy for victims to sign on. "All you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior, and you get infinite luxuries in paradise." Well, that example provides two tactics, the other one being: offer an outrageous reward no one can turn down.
MrStillmans 7 months ago
@MrStillmans you need their money and their voting obedience. It takes money to achieve their stated ends. Money is one of the reasons the christian right has so much clout in the Republican party, money and committed votes.
MacNutz2 7 months ago
It's a faith of extreme contradictions. To be sure!!
AuntieDiluvian 7 months ago
Sounds like a pact with a dictator(god) to me. Giving over freewill and freethought to this dictator is very dangerous. Literal interpretation of ANY holy text is also very scary, especially when it is being used to support behaviour or actions. As a bio teacher, I am currently in the process of following, very closely, the actions of the Texas Board of Ed, with their new Evangelical Chairwoman, Barbara Cargill. Your fears are well founded. My state is also controlled by these types. Scary shit.
saxmanchiro 7 months ago