@gearzone yah right..i never say that quoting is wrong...what i did say is when you PATCH 1 quote with another...and infer with a new truth...EXAMPLE: i have had 1 chatmate from the other room who quote 1 verse from thessalonians and patch to 1 verse from revelation..what was his conclusion? may 21, 2011 is the end of the world, he also said that he was inspire by the Holy Spirit...
now that's what i call dangerous when u urself has own interpretation which is all about relativism....funny!!!
@friech123 Have you read the Holy Scriptures already? It seems you are easily persuaded by men. Since your faith is in human understanding. It looks like, you are easily crumbled by people of many beliefs. That is the problem with your understanding of your religion, not carrying faith whereas the foundation is in man's tradition. That's why you must read the Bible and stop believing your priests instead of the good news of Jesus Christ. Try reading the Colosians 2:8, if you really want to know!
@gearzone2611 Have you read the Holy Scriptures already? It seems you are easily persuaded by men. Since your faith is in human understanding. It looks like, you are easily crumbled by people of many beliefs. That is the problem with your understanding of your religion, not carrying faith whereas the foundation is in man's ... if im a catholic, i wud rather beileve in their heirarchy THAN YOUR SELF PROCLAIMED "INSPIRED BY THE HS"..is it really the HS..i guess it's the demon dat inspre u
is he hypocrtite who is trying to do good despite of fallen nature....
now, who is hypocrite? those who dnt even try and contented to be with satan?ahhh, thOSE CALLING HYPOCRITES ARE JUST LAME EXCUSE ON WHO THEY ARE...THAT IS BEING SATANIST...THEY DRAG PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DO GOOD...STAND ON WHAT IS GOOD...that's what satan is...and that is you!
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it is a matter of choice, that we are talking here. if they keep on dictating what is good for the people and not allowing them to make a choice, then they are no different to a dictator who has done nothing good to his people
it is a matter of choice, that we are talking here. if they keep on dictating what is good for the people and not allowing them to make then they are no different to a dictator who has done nothing good to his people
ITALY, where the catholic church started, had their RH Bill approved in 1970. Spain, France and Ireland all have their Universal RH approved decades ago.
The RH Bill is still a hotly debated topic in the Philippines. Is it necessary? And is Henry Kissinger a mass murderer because of the UN population contral agenda as Eric Manalang claims.
Eric Manalang of pro Life once attempted to exorcise Satan from Filipino Freethinker Red Tani. Naturally their perspectives are opposed.
Learn more about the pors and cons of the RH bill and click on the link below
In a press conference on 25.7.11 the CBPC said one can still be a good catholic and support the RH bill.
When asked if one can be a good catholic Monsignor Juanito Figura said the CBPC won't judge catholics as good or bad if they support the RH bill effectively saying that catholics can support the RH bill.
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AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, IF DATING DAAN CONTRADICTS TAMANG DAAN, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE BECAUSE THEY ARE OF DIFFERENT GROUP..BUT WHAT IS INCONCEIVABLE IS FOR CATHOLICS TO FIGHT AND CONTRADICT EACH OTHER ABOUT THIS ISSUE OF RH BILL..HEHEHE.
CATHOLICS HAVE THEIR OWN TEACHINGS TOO AND DECLARE THAT THEIRS IS THE TRUTH..AND THEY ALSO CONTRADICT THEMSELVES IN MANY THINGS ESPECIALLY IN THIS ISSUE OF RH BILL..WHEW..NONSENSE ARGUMENTS.
meron po tyong mga bagay na dpat igalang katulad ng bandera ng Pilipinas,subukan nyo nganga bastusin ang bandera natin diba masama gayon din ang mga replika ng panginoon,bkit di nyo ilabas ang freedom of expression nyo sa ibang bagay sa hindi nakakasama ng loob gamitin nyo yung magulang nyo paglaruan nyo sa publiko kaya nyo ba yon....
SANA ANG ILULUWAL NG MGA ANAKIN AY MAGAGANDA; MABABAIT AT MATATALINONG BATA. EH; KARAMIHAN SA MGA INILULUWAL AY KABALIGTARAN SA MGA TINURAN KO AT MGA PERHUWESYO PA!
mga nonsense naman ang mga contradiction mo @archangel...d mo maintindihan ang mga simple english...at tagalog...nways, i rest my case on you...nakakairita..nagiinsist na pinag reject ko na nga...kung d man talaga tanga ang kausap ko...you can post all you want on me...but i rest my case..with others, go on...
@friech123 BOY IKAW YATA ANG HINDI NAKAKAINTINDI NG SIMPLENG ENGLISH AT TAGALOG.IT SEEMS YOU ARE IRRITATED BECOZ I'M HITTING YOUR PRECIOUS PRIDE..UMEPEKTO BA ANG MGA SINASABI KO SA YO?OY MAYBE GOD IS WORKING IN YOUR LIFE..HE WANTS TO CHANGE YOU FROM THE INSIDE OUT..NAKIKITA KASI NG DIYOS NA PURO KA LANG TALK PERO WALANG WALK..IKA NGA,YOU WALK YOUR TALK..NAIINTINDIHAN KITA..TALAGANG NAKAKAIRITA KAPAG TINATAMAAN KA BUT IN THE LONG RUN IT'LL BE GOOD FOR YOU..BELIEVE ME.SIGE GOD BLESS YOU NA LANG.
@friech123 nasaan na kaya si gearzone...nag nonosebleed na siguro kakaresearch para i-contradict ako...
UNTIL NOW ANG YABANG MO PA RIN BOY..YOU'RE SO RELIGIOUS AND YET YOUR WALK CONTRADICTS YOUR TALK..YOUR PIETY IS USELESS..JESUS WAS NEVER LIKE YOU..HE WAS VERY HUMBLE..NEVER PROVING HIMSELF TO PEOPLE THAT HE WAS BETTER THAN THEM..PERO IKAW..TSK TSK..PALAGING SARILI MO LANG ANG INIISIP MO BOY..PALAGI KANG NAGMAMAYABANG..SI HESUS BA TALAGA AY DIYOS MO??
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son (not His begotten religion) that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but will have everlasting life..Simply stated, salvation is not religion..it is in a person..a person who wants to have a relationship with us..why debate about religion if it is not the way the truth and the life? (John 14:6)..Salvation is not about religion..it is about relationship with God thru His Son Jesus Christ.
@357archangel For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son (not His begotten religion) that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but will have everlasting life..
=="you are peter and upon this rock i will build my CHURCH.........and whatever you lose on earth shall be loosen in heaven..and whatever you bound on earth shall be binded in heaven...." these other texts shows the necessity of an ORGANIZED group called church and/or religion...
@friech123 BOY THE VERSE "THOU ART PETER (Petros) UPON THIS ROCK (petra) I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH" TINGNAN MO MUNA SA GREEK HA?PARA MALAMAN MO ANG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GREEK WORD "Petra" and "Petros". Have you studied Greek?
@357archangel show me a text in the bible that God EXPLICITLY...i repeat, EXPLICITLY, disallow the establishment of religion...your quotes does not explicitly state....IT IS YOUR OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION....
@friech123 Boy meron akong kakilalang mga Pari at brothers na galit sa simbahan nyo..in fact just two weeks ago lang kami nagkausap during a seminar..galit sila mismo sa inyong simbahan dahil binansagan silang mga "REBELDE" dahil they support the RH BILL..ganyan na ba talaga ka desperado ang inyong simbahan boy?tatawaging "REBELDE" at "SATANISTS" ang lahat ng mga Pro?So boy how would you explain that?Kita mo kayo nga nag-aaway na iisang grupo lang..tsk tsk.
The beginning of the Lord's church is recorded in the book of Acts. The disciples were called Christians first in Antioch (Acts 11:26). There were no Catholics or Protestants involved. Only followers of Jesus Christ and acceptance of Him as their Lord and Savior. Not religion. Actually Jesus came to end organized religion. He wants a personal relationship with us. Not rules and laws.
@357archangel He wants a personal relationship with us. Not rules and laws.
===because of tht personalistic view, many pastors contradict each other...tamang daan versus dating daan...methodist versus evangelicals..etc...
and personal relationship is based from true and genuine knowledge of God...how sure are you that your knowledge of him is true???same as when you love, love is learned....
and to whom you should learn? bulaang mga pastor or ung may direct link sa panahon ni kristo?
@friech123 and personal relationship is based from true and genuine knowledge of God...how sure are you that your knowledge of him is true???same as when you love, love is learned....
IKAW BA SA KAYABANGAN MO EH SIGURADO KANG YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF GOD IS TRUE..BOY KNOWLEDGE PUFFS UP ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD..KNOWLEDGE IS USELESS KUNG MAYABANG KA..IPINAGMAMAYABANG MO BA ANG KNOWLEDGE MO BOY??EH WALA KA NAMANG LOVE..YOU'RE SO JUDGMENTAL AND ACCUSING..YOU'RE JUST A CLANGING CYMBAL..HAIST
@friech123 because of tht personalistic view, many pastors contradict each other...tamang daan versus dating daan...methodist versus evangelicals..etc.
BOY THIS COMMENT IS SO AMAZINGLY FUNNY..ANG NAKIKITA MO LANG AY ANG IBANG GRUPO PERO HINDI MO TINITINGNAN ANG NANGYAYARI MISMO SA SIMBAHAN NYO..BOY KUNG NAGCONTRADICT MAN SILA,HINDI YAN NAKAKAPAGTATAKA KASI MAGKAIBA SILA NG GRUPO..ANG NAKAPAGTATAKA DITO AY KAYONG MGA KATOLIKO..DAHIL DITO SA RH BILL,NAG-AAWAY AT NAGKAWATAK-WATAK KAYO..
The Word of God existed even before it was ever recorded on paper by holy men of old as they were moved upon by the Holy Ghost. Just because the catholic church compiled it, doesn't make them the authority on the subject. If there were no bibles left in the world the Word of God would still exist because it is more than a book.
@357archangel The Word of God existed even before it was ever recorded on paper by holy men of old as they were moved upon by the Holy Ghost.
===well said...and these holy men were the popes, bishops and priests....who handed down the teachings of God from generation to generation...yet, unfortunately, there are many pastors claiming what they preach is the truth, which in fact, have been contrary to the aged old teachings, which is the real teaching?
@friech123 ell said...and these holy men were the popes, bishops and priests....who handed down the teachings of God from generation to generation..
SINO ANG MAYSABI NA POPES,BISHOPS AND PRIESTS SILA?YOU'RE JUST MAKING YOUR PERSONAL MEANING HERE..THEY WERE THE APOSTLES AND OLD TESTAMENT WRITERS AND SCRIBES..SILA ANG TINUTUKOY KO..YANG SINASABI MONG HISTORY NYO, DI NAMIN YAN PINANINIWALAAN BECOZ IT'S SO EASY TO MAKE STORIES YOU KNOW..KAHIT SINO PWEDENG GUMAWA NG HISTORY NYA.
@357archangel@357archangel OY THE VERSE "THOU ART PETER (Petros) UPON THIS ROCK (petra) I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH" TINGNAN MO MUNA SA GREEK HA?PARA MALAMAN MO ANG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GREEK WORD "Petra" and "Petros". Have you studied Greek?
=absolutely correct...so what is your point...??you just reinforce the idea of what is the church and Peter has been the leader of the church...where peter was given by Christ the authority to lead...by the way, before he became peter, he was simon...
@357archangel SINO ANG MAYSABI NA POPES,BISHOPS AND PRIESTS SILA?YOU'RE JUST MAKING YOUR PERSONAL MEANING HERE..THEY WERE THE APOSTLES AND OLD TESTAMENT WRITERS AND SCRIBES.
==it means, hindi nag exist si athanasius...si stephen, ambrose, alexander, clement..all these church fathers...they did not exist..hahaha..very funny....very very funny...biglang naglaho ang christianity pagkamatay ni kristo....kakatuwa ka talaga girl...
@friech123 BOY ANG SABI KO, "The Word of God existed even BEFORE it was ever recorded on paper by holy men of old as they were moved upon by the Holy Ghost.TAKE NOTE OF THE WORD "BEFORE." MEANING, EVEN BEFORE THE BIBLE WAS COMPILED BY THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS, GOD'S WORD ALREADY EXISTED..BOY BASAHIN MO NG MAIGI ANG SINUSULAT KO HA?I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE AFTER..I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE "BEFORE".WAG KANG BANAT NG BANAT DIYAN..NAGIGING KENKOY KA.
@357archangel@357archangel and, btw, i thought andun ka sa kabila...y sinundan mo ako dito???cguro crush mo na ako no...si gearzone lang kausap ko dito...if u have concerns sa akin, dun ka sa kabilang video channel...ok?
at nagsisimula ka na naman sa ad hominem mo...akala ko mabuti ka nang kausap...pero biglang nag iba ang ihp ng hangin...may bipolar ka ba?
@friech123 at nagsisimula ka na naman sa ad hominem mo..
BOY TANDAAN MO ITO:
RIGHT DOCTRINE RESULTS TO RIGHT LIVING..PAG HUSTO ANG PANINIWALA MO SA DIYOS, MAKIKITA YAN SA BUHAY MO..DON'T SEPARATE DOCTRINE AND GODLY LIVING.
BAKIT BOY? TAKOT KA SA AD HOMINEM ANO?ALAM MO BA KUNG BAKIT?KASI TOTOO..IF YOUHAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE ABOUT GOD, HINDI DAPAT IPINAGMAMAYABANG YAN..GAMITIN MO YAN SA PAG-ENCOURAGE NG IBANG TAO,,,HINDI SA PAGJUJUDGE..YOU SEE, OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART,THE MOUTH SPEAKETH.
@friech123 BOY IT IS THE CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART THAT MATTERS..KAHIT WALKING BIBLE KA, PERO KUNG ANG LUMALABAS DIYAN SA BABA AT BUHAY MO AY PURO PANGHUHUSGA AT PAGMAMAYABANG EH TALAGANG NAKAKADUDA YAN..BAKA ANG SALITA NG DIYOS EH NASA ULO MO LANG AT HINDI UMABOT SA PUSO MO KAYA KA GANYAN..YAN ANG DAPAT MONG PAGTUONAN NG PANSIN BOY..HUWAG YUNG IBANG TAO..TINGNAN NATIN ANG MGA SARILI NATIN..KUNIN MUNA NATIN ANG PUWING SA ATING MGA MATA BAGO NATIN KUNIN ANG PUWING SA MGA MATA NG IBANG TAO, TAMA?
@friech123 BOY YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF GOD SHOULD HAVE CHANGED YOUR CHARACTER AND ATTITUDE PERO SA NAKIKITA NAMIN DITO EH YOU'RE ARE NOT DISPLAYING A GOD-LIKE CHARACTER AND ATTITUDE..SO PAANO MANINIWALA ANG MGA TAO SA MGA PINAGSASASABI MO DITO BOY??BAGUHIN MO MUNA UGALI MO NANG MAGING AUTHENTIC NAMAN YANG SINASABI MO..CLANGING CYMBAL KA LANG KASI SA AMIN DITO EH..USELESS YANG RELIGION MO..SAYANG.
th point is...there are many religions and all are clashing with regards to what they believe..they are using the same bible but there are too many interpretations...hence, which has more authority?the NEWLY ESTABLISHED RELIGION or the OLDEST which was the witness when the bible is being written and compiled...and teaching already even when there was still no bible...
I'm so sorry but the truthfulness or authenticity of a religion is not measured on how long it existed..you may exist a million years but if you don't follow the teachings of the Bible, then it is useless...by the way, this is Rh Bill..let's talk about it..no more religion..let's stick to it.
@gearzone2611 Don't you read Bible my friend. Try reading every New Testament books that says to the churches of Ephesus, Corithians, Thessalonica, Rome, Galatians, etc. those apostles of Christ were adressing these churches - they're spr..
yah, they are the earliest cristian communities...but, what you are trying to do here is that, these churches were influenced by the romans, hence, they practice paganism at the same time...its like saying, st paul is xtian and pagan at the same time
@friech123 The early christian communities were influenced by the Romans. If that is the case, would you mind explaining to me, even before and after the death of your beloved Constantine, that the early christian communities were influenced by the pagan Roman empire? Also, since you accepted that they were bunch of christian churches/communites, already. What are you trying to prove that the Roman pagan catholic religion is the christian church that ever first founded. I would love to see this.
@gearzone2611 The early christian communities were influenced by the Romans. ...
how could you say that? the romans themselves really hate christianity...that's why they resorted to persecution...if so, the ephesians, the galatians the roman(converted to christianity) as mentioned in the bible through epistles are influenced by the roman empire? ridiculous...so if u insist that they were influenced and their teachings were influenced, then, if u r a christian, u r influenced also...haha
@friech123 Im sorry bud, I believed you had too much times in your hands. Quoting the same statements that you made, and when Im quoting it, you used it against me. I am so sorry. It seems like you are trying to circulate the statement that you made, that created a non-sense arguments. Do you ever read what all my previous remarks? I can't even believe you are trying to have a circular reasoning, that doesn't suits you well. My apology, I never thought you're too confused to even read about it.
@gearzone2611 Im sorry bud, I believed you had too much times in your hands. Quoting the same statements that you made, and when Im quoting it, you used it against me....
it only shows that your arguments are futile...i cant agree all the time what you're saying here...but, dont you know that i SOMETIMES agree with you if i think its the truth...
@friech123 I said you had too much times in your hands, by using circulated arguments, over and over. Futile arguments doesn't support anything, or the lack of knowledge of such issues being presented. It seems like you are lack with that. Also, truth is not something to be "think" about. Truth is defendable, not to be thrown aside. I do not know what in the word, you are trying to prove here "futile." When in fact, you seems doesn't even read a books, or an articles, and experts in such field.
I would suggest that before you give comments here,please try to trace the thread so you will know who's trying to sit on the throne of God and judge every Pro RH proponents as satanists..We're not here to condemn people who disagree with our stand, we're here to simply give our comments and ideas regarding the issue at hand..Napunta tuloy sa religion ang issue..Some people here are just freaking out of control calling everybody satanists..nonsense.
Let's try this, read Catholic Apologetics and it's Catechism. Marami ka pa pala kasing tanong at walang alam tungkol sa Catholic Church, according to your own statements, eh binabash mo na ang Catholicism agad. You are truly profound. That's profoundly idiotic.
For you not to get confused try to actually read Catholic Reading n interpretation of the bible. One good example is Catechism of the Catholic Church. Bet you haven't read that one despite you being sooooo educated. Before bashing a religion try reading up on there belief system. Uneducated rants just shows how low your Intelligence Quotient is.
@michaelmedina79 ryt, he needs also to revisit the history...it seems, pinapakingan lang niya ang history na sinasabi ng kanyang simbahan...not the history taken from the world renowned historians...plus the wrtings of the fathers of the church and great thinkers like aquinas...so, mr @gearzone...i suggest you read them wag lang ung mga writers na heretic and schismatic like carl jung etc..
Rational thought ba na kung may iilang pedophiles na priest eh lahatna pedophile? Tanong lang naman. Uhmm nga pala Dan Brown is under fiction sa mga bookstores and libraries. Hope your not basing your belief system in a work of fiction. As for your other questions, Google: Catholic Apologetics. Try reading up before you bash a religion. Onga pala may mga religious groups din na hindi Catholic na may pedophiles. Try bashing them na rin ha. Para patas lang.
@jmarshall70 War is a dirty business, that's why roman catholic religion made so much money from wars. They convert nations into catholicism, and steal their resources lalo na pag-ginto. That's why under the Jesuits; were working hard with the banklords, in order to have the funding for their dirty business. RCC religion, ibig sabihin system ng roman catholic religion, and their roles. Sinasabi mo church ay community. Do you ever read the Bible, at ang word na "church." Don't make up words bud.
@gearzone2611 War is a dirty business, that's why roman catholic religion made so much money from wars. They convert nations into catholicism, and steal their resources lalo na pag-ginto....
===matanong nga...ilan ba ang orphanage na meron ka...or ang gobyerno???ang sa pagkakaalam ko mas maraming orphanges ang simbahan kaysa sa gobyerno...relief goods nalang sa gobyerno, kinukurapto pa..kaya, kung meron mang limos sa simbahan...para un sa mga lahat na gastusin...bobo ka kasi...walang alam...
@friech123 I SAID EARLIER, "the catholic church is still in its moral decay till today."I'LL BACK THIS UP BOY WITH STRONG EVIDENCE..HAVE YOU WATCHED THE NEWS TONIGHT?ABOUT THE PAJERO BISHOPS?WELL,IT IS PROVEN THAT ONE OF THEM ASKED A CAR FROM GLORIA AS A GIFT & WAS GIVEN 1.7 MILLION..FOR SURE HE KNOWS THAT WHAT HE DID WAS WRONG..YET THESE BISHOPS PREACH, "Father,forgive them for they don't know what they're doing." ANG KASO ALAM NIYA NA MALI ANG GINAGAWA NIYA, LORD.THEY KNOW IT...
@friech123 Ilan daw ang orphanage na meron ako. Wala, kasi I dont tricked and bribed people, sayings its for poor kids. At marami na rin akong na donated na money. Im pretty sure marami ang government, thru subsidies. Marami orphanage ang simbahan. Sa tingin mo sa 80million na catholic Filipino, ni isa sa kanila hindi makapagbigay ng peso sa simbahan? Since you keep saying the good stuff about your religion, even though for disguises lang. That's why Satan love your religion, acting like angels.
@gearzone2611 ano boy ang religion mo....???if you dnt have, maybe you belong to NAM....right? that's how i analyze the kind of arguments you have...NAM arguements...
@friech123 Ano daw ang religion ko. Well, I do not consider myself religious person. But I am not belonged to godless numbnuts that exercises securalism. So ano na naman ang NAM? A NAM arguments. Well If you literally looked up my arguments, you got so much explanations to do my friend. So I have no idea what is the meaning of "NAM." Would you mind explaining what is "NAM" coming from you.
@gearzone2611 Ano daw ang religion ko. Well, I do not consider myself religious person.
==there is a difference between religious and member of religion...there are who belongs to religion but not religious... again, what is ur religion?SMOM? sounds unfamiliar...how sure r u that urs will lead u to eternal bliss?
@friech123 I do not know how you defined religion. But I see religion as part of spiritual journey, and then it stops - not me, Im more into Sola Scriptura and Fide. I do not know how people see my faith, or they might see it that Im part of religious sectors. Its up to them, of seeing my beliefs. I defined my faith, not religious person. I would say, I am a born-again bible believing christian. SMOM, is a religious military order of Roman Catholic. Eternal Bliss, Jesus Christ spoke about it.
@gearzone2611 ot me, Im more into Sola Scriptura and Fide
===sounds protetstant...ok, this is my rebut...sola scriptura, hmm, so, ull only believe verything from the bible, outside it, u cant...now, r u sure everything was written there? was it feel down from the heaven?how it came up with 46 books in ot and 27 in nt?who were responsible for the selection?who were responsible on putting those chapter numbers and verses nimbers? answer pls
@friech123 Protestant are diet cokes of Roman Catholicism. Yes, I believe what the Bible says, making me a follower of Jesus Christ. Yes, Im sure. "was it feel down from the heaven" It was written by the men of God. How it came? The Levites priests preserved the OT. The NT books were held and preserved by every churches, and christians. Since your questioning the whole validities of the Bible. Then you better study the Bible. There is no point of answering your questions, when you don't read it.
@friech123 Don't you read Bible my friend. Try reading every New Testament books that says to the churches of Ephesus, Corithians, Thessalonica, Rome, Galatians, etc. those apostles of Christ were adressing these churches - they're spread throghout the Roman Empire. I thought you read the Bible? I said, Protestant is just a diet cokes of roman catholicism. What is your argument by saying, "Protestant established 1500's or born-again? Christianity is a relationship between you and God. You get?
@gearzone2611 rotestant established 1500's or born-again? Christianity is a relationship between you and God. You get?
=very good... christianity is a relationsship...and christians are followers...but following Christ, other people deviate tjhemselves from the mainstream christian...like luther in 15th centruy that's why there are protesttants..aglipay in 1902, manalo in 1914...they separated form the mainstream for some devious agenda
@friech123 There is no such thing as maninstream Christians. I do not know where'd you get this, mainstream Christians. I said it before, I said it again. Christians are followers of Jesus Christ, it meant relationship with Jesus Christ. Luther was a former Roman Catholic Dominican monk, who opposed the the failure of Roman Catholic religion. Protestants comes from the word Protest, they protested the authority of your evil religion. So, what are you trying to prove here? I see no points it bud.
@gearzone2611 Protestants comes from the word Protest, they protested the authority of your evil religion. So, what are you trying to prove here? I see no points it bud.
===simple...he did not get wat he wanted, so he protested...faith is not a thing to be compromised, or contractual, where there are disagreements, it needs contract, or democratic, where you can protest..where what the majority wants will be the truth..same as with morality..morality is not being defined by numbers
@friech123 Try again reading the History. Well, the revolution against the Roman catholic religion, already exists. It just they didn't have that power to organized, to throwdown the papacy. What started the great Reformation was its all started from a German Dominican monk, he posted a 97 thesis that crippled the entire establishment of the Roman Catholic religion. In the eyes of the Pope, he actually challenged the universal sovereign authority of the Pope. So there you go, a small History.
@gearzone2611 Try again reading the History. Well, the revolution against the Roman catholic religion, already exists.
true, there were revolution in the church..you mentioned one, martin luther who was excommunicated....but look at the church, they still exist no matter how cruel and vicious the attacks they do to this church by the cohorts of satan...at the end it still stand...again, i quote from the bible. Jesus promised "ill be with you till the end of times"
@friech123 Did you read the 97 thesis of Martin Luther against the establishement of the roman catholic religion? That causes so many catholics to protests the papacy. What I meant is, look at your chuch what they did to these fine catholics that protested against the papacy. Its your own people that despised your religion. Since you're playing like you are a victim of the atrocities that your religion did to these poor catholics and non-catholics. Nothing to prove you made a valid argument bud.
@gearzone2611 Jesus promised "ill be with you till the end of times"...meaning, he will never let anyone destroy the church he founded...NEVER!!! so for 2000 years of history of the church...it still stand and continuous to stand till the end of times...RH bill, the pajero bishops(which in fact is false), the CCP exhibit ARE JUST A SPECK of what has been encountered by the church since the time of the apostles, to the persecution, reformation, spring of atheism etc...
@friech123 He was talking about spiritual things, people that are saved through Jesus Christ, not a church. Since you claim, this is a church. Explain it to me. By saying 2000 of history, you really failed so badly. When in fact Jesus Christ, before he created the world. He's foundation has been built already before time. You never read the Bible, but always keep believing that religious organizations. I am sorry, you are just a zealot religious roman catholics - following a bunch of blind men.
@friech123 Since I mentioned it before, I will be writing it again for you. Since you always gets to forget my ole special friend. My belief is nothing to ashamed for, for it is the power of Jesus Christ to all men, that might received the salvation. Here it is, my complete name of my belief: I am a born-again bible-believing christian. So, that is not something to be coward for, that is something to be stated, not through religious doctrines, but of testimony of Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior.
@gearzone2611 I am a born-again bible-believing christian....
very good...you have the courage to share what group you belong....
first, what do you mean by born again? BECAUSE, many born again people believe that when they belong to born again groups they''ll be save...as from the bible"unless you'll be born again, u'll not enter the kingdom of heaven...so, what born again for you means? to belong to your group?
@friech123 Its not a group, it's for individual person of accepting Jesus Christ, as his/her personal savior. You're asking me, what is born-again, and I thought you're a christian buddy, and read the Bible? It seems you do Not know what you believe. Being born-again, isn't belonging to a group my friend. You got so many mistakes. I am so disappointed with your thoughts about what Jesus Christ taught his disciples, and brethren. I'm asking you, how old are you? You should start diggin' more bud.
@gearzone2611 and I thought you're a christian buddy, and read the Bible?
u know agnosticism?better read wikipedia for crash definition...
Being born-again, isn't belonging to a group my friend....
===y u share the same place worshipping ur god, raising ur hands and say "alleluia, amen, in jesus name you are saved, though u r rapist, u will be saved by saying jesus and raisng ur hands", this normally what ur pators say...y u have pastors? if u say it is not a group..u
@gearzone2611 ===y u share the same place worshipping ur god, raising ur hands and say "alleluia, amen, in jesus name you are saved, though u r rapist, u will be saved by saying jesus and raisng ur hands", this normally what ur pators say...y u have pastors? if u say it is not a group..u again have a problem with what is a group means....do you have ur own dictionary? u as the author?u tend to personalize everything..ahh, maybe u r inspired by the holy spirit to have a new definition of "group"
@gearzone2611 if u say it is not a group..u again have a problem with what is a group means....do you have ur own dictionary? u as the author?u tend to personalize everything..ahh, maybe u r inspired by the holy spirit to have a new definition of "group"..
and what about ur definition of what is a "chair"? if i stand on top of the chair, is i still a chair?
@friech123 By saying you use dictionary of defining that word, you made yourself like you never read a single books from the Hebrew, Greeks, Old and New Testaments. You loved to view yourself, contrary to that, it seems quite opposite. You are here talking about, what kind of dictionary. When the Old and New Testaments where just bundled together that took a thousand years. Such wordings and translation were Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greeks. Again, what dictionary you are trying to prove around here?
@gearzone2611 what dictionary you are trying to prove around here?
r u autistic?..u cant get my point...i gave an analogy about how u will define CHAIR....IT WAS AN ANALOGY U IDIOT regarding our discussion on relativism...and here you are connecting the dictionary and the bible....u must be autistic...and you dont know the logical reasoning....
@friech123 You lost your credibility of being an intellectual person my friend. I assumed that you just here want to create tensions and not knowledge. The logical reasoning, try reading the Bible history. Why would I refer a dictionary from the old books. Whereas the dictionary of current terms is quite irrelevant from the past wordings and translations. The "chair" argument. Funny, when there is too many to discuss relativism. Anyway, I am quite disappointed your lack of Biblical history bud.
@gearzone2611 there are those when they read the bible lead to relativism...how can you really grasp the truth of the bible which would not lead you to relativism? first, be an expert of history from the ancient
@friech123 Would you mind explaining it to me, that such person would be reading a Bible would lead this person to a concept of relativism? Since the Bible speak for itself as an absolute authority of interpreting the Bible or understanding of the person reading. The Bible holds as an absolute truth. It states, the Bible hold as an authority of the truth, being absolute truth. Would you mind telling me, what's the bearing states that such claim in the Bible could lead a person to a relativism?
@gearzone2611 ...the Bible hold as an authority of the truth, being absolute truth. Would you mind telling me, what's the bearing states that such claim in the Bible could lead a person to a relativism?...
very much correct that the truth is the bible....BUT, THE PROBLEM RESTS ON THE PEOPLE WHO READ IT..again, EXAMPLE, we look on the same chair..the truth is it is the chair...but other might think its not a chair but a platform..now, where is the problm?the knower right? thats relativism
@friech123 If the Bible is very much correct as being the truth. Then why do you have a problem with people interpreting the Bible? Since you stated that the Bible is reliable as truth, and the rests of the flocks doing it, do you have to go with them with the same results. Remember you stated the Bible is correct. The problem is, they're being absolute on behalf of their understanding in the Bible, NO relativism going on. We need it, for being independent, and criticial reasoning in the Bible.
@gearzone2611 If the Bible is very much correct as being the truth. Then why do you have a problem with people interpreting th ....The problem is, they're being absolute on behalf of their understanding in the Bible, NO relativism going on. We need it, for being independent, and..."
there is relativism with people using /interpreting the bible...fundamental question..WHY PASTORS OF DIFF SECTS DISAGREES, THEY USE THE SAME BIBLE, BUT THEY UPHOLD DIFF TEACHINGS...?
@friech123 Again and again, people do not use the same Bible. If you need understanding, then study the Hsitory of the Bible. By interpreting the Bible, its for that individual person's conviction, by the Holy Spirit. Since, you do not understand about the Comforter, which is in Christ. Then you better start reading and studying the Bible. As I said, I am talking about an individual person, not a groups of people or a church here. To understand it, you could start Reading in John Chapter Three.
@gearzone2611 By interpreting the Bible, its for that individual person's conviction, by the Holy Spirit...
==thhat only proves that you are so convenient with relativism...lame excuse from u?INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!...my question, r u SO SURE that what inspires u is the real Holy Spirit?
@friech123 By interpreting the Bible, you are using your head, your very own mind here. I do not know what are you trying to say here, by saying that Im so convenient with relativism, when in fact it is opposite. Im sorry, I guess you're too young to understand. "r u SO SURE that what inspires u is the realy Holy Spirit?"I think its time for you, to shut off your eyes and mouth to your priests, and start digging that techniques of finding the truth. Don't remain blind and be silence, go find it!
@gearzone2611 As I said, I am talking about an individual person, not a groups of people or a church here.
===that statement of yours only proves that born again is a group...AND, you dont want the born again people to be dragged down coz of you..another lame excuse, and u say "talking as an individual person"...hahah..funny...where did you got logic? i mean, where did you study philosophy?its very poor!!!
@friech123 What.. you really need help with the pastors and historians here, or maybe theologian scholars. Born-again is actually a Greek word, that's been translated into English. The word born-again, is not even near word into a word "group." The word born-again has two meaning if you really read it in the Bible, that was originally translated from the original manuscripts. Jesus spoke about it, if you carefully read the chapter three of John. There were no mention of "group" it was in person!
@gearzone2611 EXAMPLE, we look on the same chair..the truth is it is the chair...but other might think its not a chair but a platform..now, where is the problm?the knower right? thats relativism...
NOW, look at whats happening to all christians..they are using the same bible....BUT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TEACHINGS which contradicts to each other....the TAMANG DAAN contradicts DATING DAAN..protestants against catholic...methodists against presbytrians.etc...THAT'S THE PROBLEM..AND IT S RELATIVISM
@friech123 Relativism is various beliefs, ideas, etc.. they must sort out their differences, and conclude into a single system of beliefs, relativism. A chair is a chair, nothing can argue with that. By saying "..they're using the same Bible,.." because of this statement you made, please study the history of the Bible. They have their own teachings, because they all practice their religious rights of understanding the Bible. Religion versus religion, and not finding the truth of Jesus Christ.
@gearzone2611 Bible could lead a person to a relativism?...
LOOK AT YOU...you have your own teaching..and u say that urs is the truth..other sects also say that them is the truth..everyone are claiming the truth..but if ull examine them they contradict each other.
that is relativism and its dangerous.in morality, much dangerous
same as the muslims..they use the same koran, but the extremists and terrorists have their own interpretation specifically the book of sudra..dangerous, right?
@friech123 Buddy ole pal, I read the Bible. My statement of faith is, believe Jesus Christ as your personal savior, by confessing you're a sinner and need Him. That's not my own teaching, read the Bible. Jesus Christ is the Truth. Everyone can claim they are, but seek the truth, and it will set you free. Read the Bible. By believing Jesus Christ as the way, the truth, and the life. Then I do not see where is the relativitism of faith here? Or I say, Dialectic Materialism, if you know quite well.
@friech123 I guess you need more books to read my friend. If you can't connect the dots, if that was been prescribed by an intelligent man to where your reality comes from. Then its impossible for you to understand the very nature of deceptive world. Let me tell you something about dialectic materialism, its where A = position, B = against position, and C = take position of A & B. If you noticed I was mentioning pluralism, and relativism, they are at "C" level, no absolute truth being presented.
@gearzone2611 its where A = position, B = against position, and C = take position of A & B. If you noticed I was mentioning pluralism, and relativism, they are at "C" level, no absolute truth being presented.
==wag mo nang pahirapan sarili mo...
thesis
vs anti-thesis
is, synthesis.....
now, what is your point? it is totally different from what is pluralism and relatiivism...you are getting to nowhere..it is you who needs reading in philosophy, all u do is cut and paste from the net
@gearzone2611 its where A = position, B = against position, and C = take position of A & B. If you noticed I was mentioning pluralism, and relativism, they are at "C" level, no absolute truth being presented.
@gearzone2611 its where A = position, B = against position, and C = take position of A & B. If you noticed I was mentioning pluralism, and relativism, they are at "C" level, no absolute truth being presented.
@friech123 Bravo, marunong ka na palang mag-basa ng Dialectic Materialism, or I say Hegelian Dialectic. Baka naman napilitang ka lang mag-basa kasi sinabi ko na mag-basa ka tungkol sa Hegelian Dialectic. Magbasa ka pa ng marami, at hindi ka na makipag-debate sakin na walang kabuluhan. No wonder na flagged ka ng maraming tao dito. Atleast naibigay ko sa iyo, na ang A = thesis, B = anti-thesis, C = synthesis. Believe me, nakakatawa ka. Tingin ko nga hindi ka marunong mag-basa. That's a good sign.
@gearzone2611 Atleast naibigay ko sa iyo, na ang A = thesis, B = anti-thesis, C = synthesis. Believe me, nakakatawa ka. Tingin ko nga hindi ka marunong mag-basa. That's a good sign....
ikaw yata ang magbasa kasi....ano ang koneksyon kan dialectics sa relativism and pluralism???idiot!!!ako pa ang turuan mo na major ko ang philosophy....at saka u r trying to connect pluralism with relativism...very very funny!!!!
@friech123 Atleast nalaman ko marunong ka palang tumawa, at hindi marunong mag-basa. Since sinabi ko ulit, sasabihin ko na naman. At para naman maipasok ko ang simpleng formula. A = Biblical absolute, B = Atheistic views, C = Global worldviews. So get mo na? Relativism = no absolute. Pluralism = no absolute, but represent various concepts as acceptable. So relativism and pluralism represent as synthesis, its a two combination, they both represent ideas that does NOT accept absolutism as element.
@friech123 You simply do have an issues of getting knowledge isn't it? Since you're propping up about this Dialectic formula. Then I would suggest you rather read books then. It looks like, I insulted your child like thinking. Am I harming your lack of understanding of history, and your belief system? Well good to know, na alam mo na pala gumawa ng Formula ng thesis, anti-thesis, at synthesis. You know, people who doesn't accept their mistakes is a miserable people. Like ignorant is a bliss.
@friech123 Its because I thought you were very intellectual person. You said you were educated in the Bible. Repeating doesn't make you a smart person. It only say you did not get the message quite genuinely, then act like you know about it. "I havent seen you any statement contradicting my statement." Say what? Here we go again, you keep rounding up with the hypes of circular thinking my friend. You should stop this. Did you ever read my comments on catholicism? No wonder why you're still here.
@friech123 Karl Marx is a lapdog of Hegel. So what do you meant by "toooodifferent from Hegelian Dialectic? When in reality he just had his own revised version of "Dialecticism" and the point is... materialism? You know what I noticed, you found Karl Marx and Fridreich Hegel, on theory of Dialectic Materialism and Hegelian Dialectic. Well, atleast you know how to read. So, since you just stopped. I guess the point of laughing is, you got out from the box and seeing sun rays now? Good starting.
@gearzone2611 now, what is your point? it is totally different from what is pluralism and relatiivism...you are getting to nowhere..it is you who needs reading in philosophy, all u do is cut and paste from the
@friech123 Why don't you read pluralism and relativism. They're not in a position of abolute, they're in position of "C" level. Both words are talking about two entities, where position of absolutism is no where to be found. Philosophy is just a mindset of human understanding or probably with the method of scientific theory. I am sorry, you really are not a person that read books. I hope you are looking at it now, the Hegelian Dialectic Materialism. I hope you start reading it, and more books!
@gearzone2611 Philosophy is just a mindset of human understanding or probably with the method of scientific theory. I am sorry, you really are not a person that read books. I hope you are looking at it now, the Hegelian Dialectic Materialism. I hope you start reading it, and more books!
u r denouncing philosophy...BUt, here u r advocating the hegelian theory by wilhelm hegel...u r absurd dude!!!!...your arguments are pointless...i dnt know where u stand...u r like water lily...
@friech123 You really are a deluded person, I am sorry. Come again you said, I am advocating Hegelian Dialectic. Buddy, do you ever read people's remarks. Or you just feel you're happy from the illusion of how your brain can't react with different ideas and beliefs? First, you do not know where you stand. Second, you do not know what is your beliefs. Third, you seems to believe you know everything, but never ever touched certain ideas that criticizes your notions. Fourth, you never like reading!
@gearzone2611 First, you do not know where you stand. Second, you do not know what is your beliefs. Third, you seems to believe you know everything, but never ever touched certain ideas that criticizes your notions. Fourth, you never like reading!....
you twist again..i accused u of these..here u r ...hahah...sick born again style of debate...
@friech123 I guess you really made your point. "Ignore the facts, I'm living inside the box of ignorance." You still wonder why people leaving your religion? Some catholic members liberalizing/widening their minds, thus challenging the papacy of understanding the Bible and its authority. Since the church and members stuck in the murky of tradition with no evidence of supporting it - that the Pope is the vicar of Christ. Instead of believing the Bible, they all been magnetized by false beliefs.
@gearzone2611 You still wonder why people leaving your religion? Some catholic members liberalizing/widening their minds, thus challenging the papacy of understanding the Bible and its authority.
here u r again insisting...what the...r u really lame?dumb?
@friech123 Im sorry, I guess you didn't read your Bible lately. Or you probably listening to your favorite pedophile priests about why catholicism is a predecessor of the old Babylon and Egypt's pagan practices. Perhaps you're beginning to question the authority of the papacy and your local priests? To learn the mistake is the first step of forwarding your own mind. It means learn to think. Why don't you ask your local priest if they really are going to hell if they get married. Try asking abit.
@gearzone2611 Since the church and members stuck in the murky of tradition with no evidence of supporting it - that the Pope is the vicar of Christ. Instead of believing the Bible, they all been magnetized by false beliefs.
to whose authority that urs is the true teachings of God?ahhh, from HS again...how sure are u na ang nagaanib sa katawan mo ay ang HS? maybe it is satan...even satan use the bible...and dont u know that the philosophy of satan is hedonism.and hedonism is tantamount
@friech123 'to whose authority that urs is the true teachings of God?" The Bible of course! What's HS? Anong nakaanib sa katawan? Im sorry, hindi kita ma gets. Satan is a fallen angel of God. I do no see your point here. Satan uses the Bible many times, pure logic. Give me a valid evidence, why your catholic bible has the books of Apocrypha? The bible talks about human philosophy which is death/sin; pride. Its got to do with the salvation of the soul of humanbeing through Jesus Christ our Lord.
@gearzone2611 'to whose authority that urs is the true teachings of God?" The Bible of course! What's HS? Anong nakaanib sa katawan?
==u said that ur teachings is from the bible and u r inspired by the HS...i asked u, r u really sure that it is the HS who is in u???and where did u get the authority to say this and that, this what it means from the bible???from Holy Spirit? (HS)
@gearzone2611 to whose authority that urs is the true teachings of God?ahhh, from HS again...how sure are u na ang nagaanib sa katawan mo ay ang HS? maybe it is satan...even satan use the bible...and dont u know that the philosophy of satan is hedonism.and hedonism is tantamount to relativism which u uphold since then....and that is the main thrust of evangelicals, born against "follow ur own interpretation coz the HS is in u", "disregard the established authority to teach u"..
@friech123 Again and again, how old are you? You keep repeating lies, which I stood long before that I believe the Bible as truth/absolutism. I stand affirming that many times. Yet, you are still here spitting lies, or probably you didn't get it at all? Hedonism is just a human understanding, the wisdom of God are not subject to a mere human understanding. Don't you read the Bible? You said you studied theology. Looks like you wasted your time if you did. Also, what is born against? What's that?
@gearzone2611 Yet, you are still here spitting lies, or probably you didn't get it at all? Hedonism is just a human understanding, the wisdom of God are not subject to a mere human understanding.
===ok, if u said not subject to human understanding, how sure are u that the it is the HS in u? i am sure it is not the holy spirit in u but the devil...
@friech123 It's in the Bible! In the manuscripts. What part that you do not understand? The human understanding is not subject into God's wisdom. The Holy Spirit is not subject into man's views of wisdom. As I see it, you really have a brain of a child. You claim, its the devil. My saying would be, have you read the Bible? If you did not, you sure you are not a brain-washed person, claiming to know everything? I'm like hitting your head not to touch the hot oven buddy, but you still touching it.
@gearzone2611 The human understanding is not subject into God's wisdom. The Holy Spirit is not subject into man's views of wisdom.
==if u say so, how come that u r telling me that urs is the true teaching of the bible...that u understand the bible...contradictory statements...haha, who has a child brain now? ur statements are contradicting
@friech123 The Bible is teaching me, remember Sola Scriptura. The Bible is the word of God, a person believing it, it means Sola Fide. So the Bible is actually the one that really puts you in the edge of the pit. Am I telling you to believe me, no I did not say that. I've been telling you, its in the Bible. Why would I make this up, when I did not write the Bible. All I've been doing is believing what's in the Scriptures. I guess laughing will ease up your tension and out from being challenged.
@gearzone2611 "follow ur own interpretation coz the HS is in u", "disregard the established authority to teach u"....satan must be smiling at you people coz u let satan worked on u...to be swayed by wat u believe under the guise of "inspired by the HS"...hence, ur religion is satan's religion...have u wondered y majority of protestants hate much catholicism? the answer is, protestantism is satan's religion...ur pastors cannot preach without destroying catholic..divisive, ryt?dat is satan...
@friech123 I know "own" means an individual person loves to practice"independent thinking" and a well-critical persona. Why would Satan works for me, when I believe Jesus Christ saved me from death/sin. Satan is in every religion of the world, no matter how small & big is the religion. If you really have a disputes with Protestants, go for it. It's part of your freedom! True, Protestantism, Catholicism, Buddhism, Atheism, Islam, etc. Satan's biggest lies, and Catholicism is one big Satan's lies!
oh yeah, sola fide...sola scriptura...a true blooded protestant and born against....
sabi ng mga born against "ok lang na mang rape and pumatay, itaas mo lang ang inyong mga kamay, umiyak at maniwala sa kanya....{after several seconds}...thanks god, amen alleluia, linigtas ka na sa mga kasalanan mo....u will go now to heaven, ligtas ka na..." very funny...
@friech123 To where in the Christian statement of faith that killing and raping are acceptable? You really made yourself like a fool my friend. I feel sorry for you, it seems like your beliefs of being Agnostic and Apologetics to the roman catholic religion really put you in the edge of the cliff. You sounds like you do not know anything. A pretty big-headed person, who has no clue to the words of Jesus Christ and his teachings that you are against with. Sin is death my buddy, check Romans 6:23.
@gearzone2611 i notice...you cant even contradict my arguments head on which im waiting...instead, your replys are full of contradictions...worst, u twist what i posted, WHICH THE BORN AGAIN PEOPLE ARE WELL KNOWN OF....
@friech123 By reading this, "which the born again people are well known of.." What's that supposed to mean? Like the definition of born-again has changed, and because of the majority of people are saying that they had a different interpretation from the non-born again communities, and that should be. Well, I guess you should start reading the Bible then. Every time you replied, its always a failure. I really believe you're just a sixteen years old. Come think of it, an agnostic theologian isn't?
@gearzone2611 By reading this, "which the born again people are well known of.." What's that supposed to mean?...
i will really assume that u r a born against or evangelical who read and interprets the bible tooooooooofundamental and literal like the islamic terrorists shyte....
@friech123 Evangelical is the one who preach from the Bible. Also, what is born-against, never heard that. I do not see any difference the one who preach the Bible fundamentally, or the one who preach it literally. Islamic terrorists is Not the same with an Islam teachers. Terrorists are people who terrorized; make violent; etc. I do not know where you going now. Buddy, its not like a single catholic person would claim that he will kill heretics because they do not respect the authority of pope.
@gearzone2611 islamic terrorists are those who have fundamentalist and literal translation of the bible especially the book of sudra where it says that allah permits the muslim to kill an unbeliever, and die as a martyr coz 72 virgins are waiting for them in heaven...
look at u now who rather believe in too fundamental thing which is beyond God's wisdom...
@friech123 It's alright, most I meant all Muslims people are Not terrorists anyway and doesn't believe killing a person will take them to heaven full of 72 virgins. It's alright, you take the entire notions of Islamic terrorists as terrorists, can be true but absurd when you wide the gap of real terrorists. Also, you wonder too much from fundamental as a bad thing. Also, anyone can believe what ever he wants, as long they recognize the other guy can be fundamental/against the other beliefs too.
@friech123 What is the point if people are very fundamental about their religion? Seem us people who love to preach evolution, or may catholicism. An evolutionist can be fundamental as any other Bible preachers. Or as fundamental as a priest to his own church members. If an Islamic terrorists is very fundamental as any other group members of Islamic terrorist organizations, and believe killing a so called heretics is heavenly grace. Then the point of moral story, you can't see a retarded person?
@gearzone2611 What is the point if people are very fundamental about their religion?
"it is like a horse with eyes covered running"...am i sounding metaphorical? oh yeah, u might misinterpret or misunderstand my statement coz ur mind setting is fundamental which cant fathom figurative languages...
@friech123 I guess you really had a different meaning of fundamentalist. Actually you're talking about a terrorist here, not a fundamentalist. Read what's in the Dictionary, and not your own interpretation and from from the mainstream media concerning fundamentalist. "Allah permits any Muslim to kill unbelievers for the sake of 72 virgins." If that is the case, then I guess you watch too much mainstream media. You should turn off your television, and study why Islamic terrorism is a big lies!
Way to go Carlos, in standing up to all errant forms encompassed by 'Divine Right'.
awshucks 2 months ago
Nothing like Catholic subversion of base Liberty. Will your kind never tire of Praemunire and Requirimiento?
awshucks 2 months ago
82% of Pinoys want RH Bill to pass!!!
ITALY, where the catholic church started, had their RH Bill approved in 1970.
Spain, France and Ireland all have their Universal RH approved decades ago.
Wag tayo TRYING HARD catholics. Daming GUTOM sa Pinas.
hsuson 5 months ago
@gearzone yah right..i never say that quoting is wrong...what i did say is when you PATCH 1 quote with another...and infer with a new truth...EXAMPLE: i have had 1 chatmate from the other room who quote 1 verse from thessalonians and patch to 1 verse from revelation..what was his conclusion? may 21, 2011 is the end of the world, he also said that he was inspire by the Holy Spirit...
now that's what i call dangerous when u urself has own interpretation which is all about relativism....funny!!!
friech123 5 months ago
@friech123 Have you read the Holy Scriptures already? It seems you are easily persuaded by men. Since your faith is in human understanding. It looks like, you are easily crumbled by people of many beliefs. That is the problem with your understanding of your religion, not carrying faith whereas the foundation is in man's tradition. That's why you must read the Bible and stop believing your priests instead of the good news of Jesus Christ. Try reading the Colosians 2:8, if you really want to know!
gearzone2611 5 months ago
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@gearzone2611 Have you read the Holy Scriptures already? It seems you are easily persuaded by men. Since your faith is in human understanding. It looks like, you are easily crumbled by people of many beliefs. That is the problem with your understanding of your religion, not carrying faith whereas the foundation is in man's ... if im a catholic, i wud rather beileve in their heirarchy THAN YOUR SELF PROCLAIMED "INSPIRED BY THE HS"..is it really the HS..i guess it's the demon dat inspre u
friech123 5 months ago
what makes a hypocrite?
is he hypocrtite who is trying to do good despite of fallen nature....
now, who is hypocrite? those who dnt even try and contented to be with satan?ahhh, thOSE CALLING HYPOCRITES ARE JUST LAME EXCUSE ON WHO THEY ARE...THAT IS BEING SATANIST...THEY DRAG PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DO GOOD...STAND ON WHAT IS GOOD...that's what satan is...and that is you!
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
making a choice is a natural rights, don't let someone rob it from you especially those hypocrites
boblamon118 5 months ago
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it is a matter of choice, that we are talking here. if they keep on dictating what is good for the people and not allowing them to make a choice, then they are no different to a dictator who has done nothing good to his people
boblamon118 5 months ago
it is a matter of choice, that we are talking here. if they keep on dictating what is good for the people and not allowing them to make then they are no different to a dictator who has done nothing good to his people
boblamon118 5 months ago
why are those hyprocrites are meddling on our government's affairs?
boblamon118 5 months ago
82% of Pinoys want RH Bill to pass!!!
ITALY, where the catholic church started, had their RH Bill approved in 1970. Spain, France and Ireland all have their Universal RH approved decades ago.
Wag tayo TRYING HARD catholics.
hsuson 5 months ago
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reproductivebill 5 months ago
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reproductivebill 6 months ago
AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, IF DATING DAAN CONTRADICTS TAMANG DAAN, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE BECAUSE THEY ARE OF DIFFERENT GROUP..BUT WHAT IS INCONCEIVABLE IS FOR CATHOLICS TO FIGHT AND CONTRADICT EACH OTHER ABOUT THIS ISSUE OF RH BILL..HEHEHE.
357archangel 6 months ago
CATHOLICS HAVE THEIR OWN TEACHINGS TOO AND DECLARE THAT THEIRS IS THE TRUTH..AND THEY ALSO CONTRADICT THEMSELVES IN MANY THINGS ESPECIALLY IN THIS ISSUE OF RH BILL..WHEW..NONSENSE ARGUMENTS.
357archangel 6 months ago
meron po tyong mga bagay na dpat igalang katulad ng bandera ng Pilipinas,subukan nyo nganga bastusin ang bandera natin diba masama gayon din ang mga replika ng panginoon,bkit di nyo ilabas ang freedom of expression nyo sa ibang bagay sa hindi nakakasama ng loob gamitin nyo yung magulang nyo paglaruan nyo sa publiko kaya nyo ba yon....
annnnaize 6 months ago
SANA ANG ILULUWAL NG MGA ANAKIN AY MAGAGANDA; MABABAIT AT MATATALINONG BATA. EH; KARAMIHAN SA MGA INILULUWAL AY KABALIGTARAN SA MGA TINURAN KO AT MGA PERHUWESYO PA!
spacej0ckey 6 months ago
mga nonsense naman ang mga contradiction mo @archangel...d mo maintindihan ang mga simple english...at tagalog...nways, i rest my case on you...nakakairita..nagiinsist na pinag reject ko na nga...kung d man talaga tanga ang kausap ko...you can post all you want on me...but i rest my case..with others, go on...
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 BOY IKAW YATA ANG HINDI NAKAKAINTINDI NG SIMPLENG ENGLISH AT TAGALOG.IT SEEMS YOU ARE IRRITATED BECOZ I'M HITTING YOUR PRECIOUS PRIDE..UMEPEKTO BA ANG MGA SINASABI KO SA YO?OY MAYBE GOD IS WORKING IN YOUR LIFE..HE WANTS TO CHANGE YOU FROM THE INSIDE OUT..NAKIKITA KASI NG DIYOS NA PURO KA LANG TALK PERO WALANG WALK..IKA NGA,YOU WALK YOUR TALK..NAIINTINDIHAN KITA..TALAGANG NAKAKAIRITA KAPAG TINATAMAAN KA BUT IN THE LONG RUN IT'LL BE GOOD FOR YOU..BELIEVE ME.SIGE GOD BLESS YOU NA LANG.
357archangel 7 months ago
nasaan na kaya si gearzone...nag nonosebleed na siguro kakaresearch para i-contradict ako...
dai man kaipuhan mag research...simple logic will do...
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 nasaan na kaya si gearzone...nag nonosebleed na siguro kakaresearch para i-contradict ako...
UNTIL NOW ANG YABANG MO PA RIN BOY..YOU'RE SO RELIGIOUS AND YET YOUR WALK CONTRADICTS YOUR TALK..YOUR PIETY IS USELESS..JESUS WAS NEVER LIKE YOU..HE WAS VERY HUMBLE..NEVER PROVING HIMSELF TO PEOPLE THAT HE WAS BETTER THAN THEM..PERO IKAW..TSK TSK..PALAGING SARILI MO LANG ANG INIISIP MO BOY..PALAGI KANG NAGMAMAYABANG..SI HESUS BA TALAGA AY DIYOS MO??
357archangel 7 months ago
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@357archangel PALAGING SARILI MO LANG ANG INIISIP MO BOY..PALAGI KANG NAGMAMAYABANG..SI HESUS BA TALAGA AY DIYOS MO??
kitid tlaga ng utak mo...alam mo ba talaga ang agnosticism???
friech123 7 months ago
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son (not His begotten religion) that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but will have everlasting life..Simply stated, salvation is not religion..it is in a person..a person who wants to have a relationship with us..why debate about religion if it is not the way the truth and the life? (John 14:6)..Salvation is not about religion..it is about relationship with God thru His Son Jesus Christ.
357archangel 7 months ago
@357archangel For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son (not His begotten religion) that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but will have everlasting life..
=="you are peter and upon this rock i will build my CHURCH.........and whatever you lose on earth shall be loosen in heaven..and whatever you bound on earth shall be binded in heaven...." these other texts shows the necessity of an ORGANIZED group called church and/or religion...
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 Christianity is not a religion..it is a relationship with God thru His Son...what is the meaning of church?
357archangel 7 months ago
@friech123 BOY THE VERSE "THOU ART PETER (Petros) UPON THIS ROCK (petra) I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH" TINGNAN MO MUNA SA GREEK HA?PARA MALAMAN MO ANG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GREEK WORD "Petra" and "Petros". Have you studied Greek?
357archangel 7 months ago
@357archangel show me a text in the bible that God EXPLICITLY...i repeat, EXPLICITLY, disallow the establishment of religion...your quotes does not explicitly state....IT IS YOUR OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION....
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 Boy meron akong kakilalang mga Pari at brothers na galit sa simbahan nyo..in fact just two weeks ago lang kami nagkausap during a seminar..galit sila mismo sa inyong simbahan dahil binansagan silang mga "REBELDE" dahil they support the RH BILL..ganyan na ba talaga ka desperado ang inyong simbahan boy?tatawaging "REBELDE" at "SATANISTS" ang lahat ng mga Pro?So boy how would you explain that?Kita mo kayo nga nag-aaway na iisang grupo lang..tsk tsk.
357archangel 7 months ago
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357archangel 7 months ago
The beginning of the Lord's church is recorded in the book of Acts. The disciples were called Christians first in Antioch (Acts 11:26). There were no Catholics or Protestants involved. Only followers of Jesus Christ and acceptance of Him as their Lord and Savior. Not religion. Actually Jesus came to end organized religion. He wants a personal relationship with us. Not rules and laws.
357archangel 7 months ago
@357archangel He wants a personal relationship with us. Not rules and laws.
===because of tht personalistic view, many pastors contradict each other...tamang daan versus dating daan...methodist versus evangelicals..etc...
and personal relationship is based from true and genuine knowledge of God...how sure are you that your knowledge of him is true???same as when you love, love is learned....
and to whom you should learn? bulaang mga pastor or ung may direct link sa panahon ni kristo?
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 and personal relationship is based from true and genuine knowledge of God...how sure are you that your knowledge of him is true???same as when you love, love is learned....
IKAW BA SA KAYABANGAN MO EH SIGURADO KANG YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF GOD IS TRUE..BOY KNOWLEDGE PUFFS UP ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD..KNOWLEDGE IS USELESS KUNG MAYABANG KA..IPINAGMAMAYABANG MO BA ANG KNOWLEDGE MO BOY??EH WALA KA NAMANG LOVE..YOU'RE SO JUDGMENTAL AND ACCUSING..YOU'RE JUST A CLANGING CYMBAL..HAIST
357archangel 7 months ago
@friech123 because of tht personalistic view, many pastors contradict each other...tamang daan versus dating daan...methodist versus evangelicals..etc.
BOY THIS COMMENT IS SO AMAZINGLY FUNNY..ANG NAKIKITA MO LANG AY ANG IBANG GRUPO PERO HINDI MO TINITINGNAN ANG NANGYAYARI MISMO SA SIMBAHAN NYO..BOY KUNG NAGCONTRADICT MAN SILA,HINDI YAN NAKAKAPAGTATAKA KASI MAGKAIBA SILA NG GRUPO..ANG NAKAPAGTATAKA DITO AY KAYONG MGA KATOLIKO..DAHIL DITO SA RH BILL,NAG-AAWAY AT NAGKAWATAK-WATAK KAYO..
357archangel 7 months ago
The Word of God existed even before it was ever recorded on paper by holy men of old as they were moved upon by the Holy Ghost. Just because the catholic church compiled it, doesn't make them the authority on the subject. If there were no bibles left in the world the Word of God would still exist because it is more than a book.
357archangel 7 months ago
@357archangel The Word of God existed even before it was ever recorded on paper by holy men of old as they were moved upon by the Holy Ghost.
===well said...and these holy men were the popes, bishops and priests....who handed down the teachings of God from generation to generation...yet, unfortunately, there are many pastors claiming what they preach is the truth, which in fact, have been contrary to the aged old teachings, which is the real teaching?
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 ell said...and these holy men were the popes, bishops and priests....who handed down the teachings of God from generation to generation..
SINO ANG MAYSABI NA POPES,BISHOPS AND PRIESTS SILA?YOU'RE JUST MAKING YOUR PERSONAL MEANING HERE..THEY WERE THE APOSTLES AND OLD TESTAMENT WRITERS AND SCRIBES..SILA ANG TINUTUKOY KO..YANG SINASABI MONG HISTORY NYO, DI NAMIN YAN PINANINIWALAAN BECOZ IT'S SO EASY TO MAKE STORIES YOU KNOW..KAHIT SINO PWEDENG GUMAWA NG HISTORY NYA.
357archangel 7 months ago
@357archangel @357archangel OY THE VERSE "THOU ART PETER (Petros) UPON THIS ROCK (petra) I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH" TINGNAN MO MUNA SA GREEK HA?PARA MALAMAN MO ANG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GREEK WORD "Petra" and "Petros". Have you studied Greek?
=absolutely correct...so what is your point...??you just reinforce the idea of what is the church and Peter has been the leader of the church...where peter was given by Christ the authority to lead...by the way, before he became peter, he was simon...
friech123 7 months ago
@357archangel SINO ANG MAYSABI NA POPES,BISHOPS AND PRIESTS SILA?YOU'RE JUST MAKING YOUR PERSONAL MEANING HERE..THEY WERE THE APOSTLES AND OLD TESTAMENT WRITERS AND SCRIBES.
==it means, hindi nag exist si athanasius...si stephen, ambrose, alexander, clement..all these church fathers...they did not exist..hahaha..very funny....very very funny...biglang naglaho ang christianity pagkamatay ni kristo....kakatuwa ka talaga girl...
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 BOY ANG SABI KO, "The Word of God existed even BEFORE it was ever recorded on paper by holy men of old as they were moved upon by the Holy Ghost.TAKE NOTE OF THE WORD "BEFORE." MEANING, EVEN BEFORE THE BIBLE WAS COMPILED BY THE EARLY CHURCH FATHERS, GOD'S WORD ALREADY EXISTED..BOY BASAHIN MO NG MAIGI ANG SINUSULAT KO HA?I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE AFTER..I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE "BEFORE".WAG KANG BANAT NG BANAT DIYAN..NAGIGING KENKOY KA.
357archangel 7 months ago
@357archangel @357archangel and, btw, i thought andun ka sa kabila...y sinundan mo ako dito???cguro crush mo na ako no...si gearzone lang kausap ko dito...if u have concerns sa akin, dun ka sa kabilang video channel...ok?
at nagsisimula ka na naman sa ad hominem mo...akala ko mabuti ka nang kausap...pero biglang nag iba ang ihp ng hangin...may bipolar ka ba?
friech123 7 months ago
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@friech123 at nagsisimula ka na naman sa ad hominem mo..
BOY TANDAAN MO ITO:
RIGHT DOCTRINE RESULTS TO RIGHT LIVING..PAG HUSTO ANG PANINIWALA MO SA DIYOS, MAKIKITA YAN SA BUHAY MO..DON'T SEPARATE DOCTRINE AND GODLY LIVING.
BAKIT BOY? TAKOT KA SA AD HOMINEM ANO?ALAM MO BA KUNG BAKIT?KASI TOTOO..IF YOUHAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE ABOUT GOD, HINDI DAPAT IPINAGMAMAYABANG YAN..GAMITIN MO YAN SA PAG-ENCOURAGE NG IBANG TAO,,,HINDI SA PAGJUJUDGE..YOU SEE, OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART,THE MOUTH SPEAKETH.
357archangel 7 months ago
@friech123 BOY IT IS THE CIRCUMCISION OF THE HEART THAT MATTERS..KAHIT WALKING BIBLE KA, PERO KUNG ANG LUMALABAS DIYAN SA BABA AT BUHAY MO AY PURO PANGHUHUSGA AT PAGMAMAYABANG EH TALAGANG NAKAKADUDA YAN..BAKA ANG SALITA NG DIYOS EH NASA ULO MO LANG AT HINDI UMABOT SA PUSO MO KAYA KA GANYAN..YAN ANG DAPAT MONG PAGTUONAN NG PANSIN BOY..HUWAG YUNG IBANG TAO..TINGNAN NATIN ANG MGA SARILI NATIN..KUNIN MUNA NATIN ANG PUWING SA ATING MGA MATA BAGO NATIN KUNIN ANG PUWING SA MGA MATA NG IBANG TAO, TAMA?
357archangel 7 months ago
@friech123 BOY YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF GOD SHOULD HAVE CHANGED YOUR CHARACTER AND ATTITUDE PERO SA NAKIKITA NAMIN DITO EH YOU'RE ARE NOT DISPLAYING A GOD-LIKE CHARACTER AND ATTITUDE..SO PAANO MANINIWALA ANG MGA TAO SA MGA PINAGSASASABI MO DITO BOY??BAGUHIN MO MUNA UGALI MO NANG MAGING AUTHENTIC NAMAN YANG SINASABI MO..CLANGING CYMBAL KA LANG KASI SA AMIN DITO EH..USELESS YANG RELIGION MO..SAYANG.
357archangel 7 months ago
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357archangel 7 months ago
th point is...there are many religions and all are clashing with regards to what they believe..they are using the same bible but there are too many interpretations...hence, which has more authority?the NEWLY ESTABLISHED RELIGION or the OLDEST which was the witness when the bible is being written and compiled...and teaching already even when there was still no bible...
friech123 7 months ago
I'm so sorry but the truthfulness or authenticity of a religion is not measured on how long it existed..you may exist a million years but if you don't follow the teachings of the Bible, then it is useless...by the way, this is Rh Bill..let's talk about it..no more religion..let's stick to it.
357archangel 7 months ago
@gearzone2611 Don't you read Bible my friend. Try reading every New Testament books that says to the churches of Ephesus, Corithians, Thessalonica, Rome, Galatians, etc. those apostles of Christ were adressing these churches - they're spr..
yah, they are the earliest cristian communities...but, what you are trying to do here is that, these churches were influenced by the romans, hence, they practice paganism at the same time...its like saying, st paul is xtian and pagan at the same time
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 The early christian communities were influenced by the Romans. If that is the case, would you mind explaining to me, even before and after the death of your beloved Constantine, that the early christian communities were influenced by the pagan Roman empire? Also, since you accepted that they were bunch of christian churches/communites, already. What are you trying to prove that the Roman pagan catholic religion is the christian church that ever first founded. I would love to see this.
gearzone2611 6 months ago
@gearzone2611 The early christian communities were influenced by the Romans. ...
how could you say that? the romans themselves really hate christianity...that's why they resorted to persecution...if so, the ephesians, the galatians the roman(converted to christianity) as mentioned in the bible through epistles are influenced by the roman empire? ridiculous...so if u insist that they were influenced and their teachings were influenced, then, if u r a christian, u r influenced also...haha
friech123 6 months ago
@friech123 Im sorry bud, I believed you had too much times in your hands. Quoting the same statements that you made, and when Im quoting it, you used it against me. I am so sorry. It seems like you are trying to circulate the statement that you made, that created a non-sense arguments. Do you ever read what all my previous remarks? I can't even believe you are trying to have a circular reasoning, that doesn't suits you well. My apology, I never thought you're too confused to even read about it.
gearzone2611 6 months ago
@gearzone2611 Im sorry bud, I believed you had too much times in your hands. Quoting the same statements that you made, and when Im quoting it, you used it against me....
it only shows that your arguments are futile...i cant agree all the time what you're saying here...but, dont you know that i SOMETIMES agree with you if i think its the truth...
friech123 6 months ago
@friech123 I said you had too much times in your hands, by using circulated arguments, over and over. Futile arguments doesn't support anything, or the lack of knowledge of such issues being presented. It seems like you are lack with that. Also, truth is not something to be "think" about. Truth is defendable, not to be thrown aside. I do not know what in the word, you are trying to prove here "futile." When in fact, you seems doesn't even read a books, or an articles, and experts in such field.
gearzone2611 5 months ago
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@gearzone2611 I said you had too much times in your hands, by using circulated arguments, over and over.
===lame excuse...you cant refute my arguments head on....that's it
friech123 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 Believe me, you will find relativism and pluralistic views go hand-in-hand. I mentioned pluralistic views, pluralism, an alike
==i advise you to study philosophy...you dont really the semantics of the words....
friech123 6 months ago
I would suggest that before you give comments here,please try to trace the thread so you will know who's trying to sit on the throne of God and judge every Pro RH proponents as satanists..We're not here to condemn people who disagree with our stand, we're here to simply give our comments and ideas regarding the issue at hand..Napunta tuloy sa religion ang issue..Some people here are just freaking out of control calling everybody satanists..nonsense.
357archangel 7 months ago
Boy magtagalog ka na lang. Ang hirap intindihin ng english mo eh. Huwag mo ikahiya sariling wika natin. Wag kang isdang mabantot. Hahahahaha.
michaelmedina79 7 months ago
Let's try this, read Catholic Apologetics and it's Catechism. Marami ka pa pala kasing tanong at walang alam tungkol sa Catholic Church, according to your own statements, eh binabash mo na ang Catholicism agad. You are truly profound. That's profoundly idiotic.
michaelmedina79 7 months ago
For you not to get confused try to actually read Catholic Reading n interpretation of the bible. One good example is Catechism of the Catholic Church. Bet you haven't read that one despite you being sooooo educated. Before bashing a religion try reading up on there belief system. Uneducated rants just shows how low your Intelligence Quotient is.
michaelmedina79 7 months ago
@michaelmedina79 ryt, he needs also to revisit the history...it seems, pinapakingan lang niya ang history na sinasabi ng kanyang simbahan...not the history taken from the world renowned historians...plus the wrtings of the fathers of the church and great thinkers like aquinas...so, mr @gearzone...i suggest you read them wag lang ung mga writers na heretic and schismatic like carl jung etc..
friech123 7 months ago
Rational thought ba na kung may iilang pedophiles na priest eh lahatna pedophile? Tanong lang naman. Uhmm nga pala Dan Brown is under fiction sa mga bookstores and libraries. Hope your not basing your belief system in a work of fiction. As for your other questions, Google: Catholic Apologetics. Try reading up before you bash a religion. Onga pala may mga religious groups din na hindi Catholic na may pedophiles. Try bashing them na rin ha. Para patas lang.
michaelmedina79 7 months ago
We must uphold the separation of church and estate.
tirserf 7 months ago
@jmarshall70 War is a dirty business, that's why roman catholic religion made so much money from wars. They convert nations into catholicism, and steal their resources lalo na pag-ginto. That's why under the Jesuits; were working hard with the banklords, in order to have the funding for their dirty business. RCC religion, ibig sabihin system ng roman catholic religion, and their roles. Sinasabi mo church ay community. Do you ever read the Bible, at ang word na "church." Don't make up words bud.
gearzone2611 7 months ago
@gearzone2611 War is a dirty business, that's why roman catholic religion made so much money from wars. They convert nations into catholicism, and steal their resources lalo na pag-ginto....
===matanong nga...ilan ba ang orphanage na meron ka...or ang gobyerno???ang sa pagkakaalam ko mas maraming orphanges ang simbahan kaysa sa gobyerno...relief goods nalang sa gobyerno, kinukurapto pa..kaya, kung meron mang limos sa simbahan...para un sa mga lahat na gastusin...bobo ka kasi...walang alam...
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 I SAID EARLIER, "the catholic church is still in its moral decay till today."I'LL BACK THIS UP BOY WITH STRONG EVIDENCE..HAVE YOU WATCHED THE NEWS TONIGHT?ABOUT THE PAJERO BISHOPS?WELL,IT IS PROVEN THAT ONE OF THEM ASKED A CAR FROM GLORIA AS A GIFT & WAS GIVEN 1.7 MILLION..FOR SURE HE KNOWS THAT WHAT HE DID WAS WRONG..YET THESE BISHOPS PREACH, "Father,forgive them for they don't know what they're doing." ANG KASO ALAM NIYA NA MALI ANG GINAGAWA NIYA, LORD.THEY KNOW IT...
357archangel 7 months ago
@friech123 Ilan daw ang orphanage na meron ako. Wala, kasi I dont tricked and bribed people, sayings its for poor kids. At marami na rin akong na donated na money. Im pretty sure marami ang government, thru subsidies. Marami orphanage ang simbahan. Sa tingin mo sa 80million na catholic Filipino, ni isa sa kanila hindi makapagbigay ng peso sa simbahan? Since you keep saying the good stuff about your religion, even though for disguises lang. That's why Satan love your religion, acting like angels.
gearzone2611 7 months ago
@gearzone2611 ano boy ang religion mo....???if you dnt have, maybe you belong to NAM....right? that's how i analyze the kind of arguments you have...NAM arguements...
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 Ano daw ang religion ko. Well, I do not consider myself religious person. But I am not belonged to godless numbnuts that exercises securalism. So ano na naman ang NAM? A NAM arguments. Well If you literally looked up my arguments, you got so much explanations to do my friend. So I have no idea what is the meaning of "NAM." Would you mind explaining what is "NAM" coming from you.
gearzone2611 7 months ago
@gearzone2611 Ano daw ang religion ko. Well, I do not consider myself religious person.
==there is a difference between religious and member of religion...there are who belongs to religion but not religious... again, what is ur religion?SMOM? sounds unfamiliar...how sure r u that urs will lead u to eternal bliss?
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 I do not know how you defined religion. But I see religion as part of spiritual journey, and then it stops - not me, Im more into Sola Scriptura and Fide. I do not know how people see my faith, or they might see it that Im part of religious sectors. Its up to them, of seeing my beliefs. I defined my faith, not religious person. I would say, I am a born-again bible believing christian. SMOM, is a religious military order of Roman Catholic. Eternal Bliss, Jesus Christ spoke about it.
gearzone2611 7 months ago
@gearzone2611 ot me, Im more into Sola Scriptura and Fide
===sounds protetstant...ok, this is my rebut...sola scriptura, hmm, so, ull only believe verything from the bible, outside it, u cant...now, r u sure everything was written there? was it feel down from the heaven?how it came up with 46 books in ot and 27 in nt?who were responsible for the selection?who were responsible on putting those chapter numbers and verses nimbers? answer pls
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 Protestant are diet cokes of Roman Catholicism. Yes, I believe what the Bible says, making me a follower of Jesus Christ. Yes, Im sure. "was it feel down from the heaven" It was written by the men of God. How it came? The Levites priests preserved the OT. The NT books were held and preserved by every churches, and christians. Since your questioning the whole validities of the Bible. Then you better study the Bible. There is no point of answering your questions, when you don't read it.
gearzone2611 7 months ago
@gearzone2611 The NT books were held and preserved by every churches, and christians.
what church?
Protestant established 1500 century
INC= 1914
Mormon=1890s
Aglipayan=1902
Orthodox=1200
Born again=1960s
Islam=600
again, what church that has a direct link to the apostles?apostles of the apostles? etc....
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 Don't you read Bible my friend. Try reading every New Testament books that says to the churches of Ephesus, Corithians, Thessalonica, Rome, Galatians, etc. those apostles of Christ were adressing these churches - they're spread throghout the Roman Empire. I thought you read the Bible? I said, Protestant is just a diet cokes of roman catholicism. What is your argument by saying, "Protestant established 1500's or born-again? Christianity is a relationship between you and God. You get?
gearzone2611 7 months ago
@gearzone2611 rotestant established 1500's or born-again? Christianity is a relationship between you and God. You get?
=very good... christianity is a relationsship...and christians are followers...but following Christ, other people deviate tjhemselves from the mainstream christian...like luther in 15th centruy that's why there are protesttants..aglipay in 1902, manalo in 1914...they separated form the mainstream for some devious agenda
friech123 7 months ago
@friech123 There is no such thing as maninstream Christians. I do not know where'd you get this, mainstream Christians. I said it before, I said it again. Christians are followers of Jesus Christ, it meant relationship with Jesus Christ. Luther was a former Roman Catholic Dominican monk, who opposed the the failure of Roman Catholic religion. Protestants comes from the word Protest, they protested the authority of your evil religion. So, what are you trying to prove here? I see no points it bud.
gearzone2611 6 months ago
@gearzone2611 Protestants comes from the word Protest, they protested the authority of your evil religion. So, what are you trying to prove here? I see no points it bud.
===simple...he did not get wat he wanted, so he protested...faith is not a thing to be compromised, or contractual, where there are disagreements, it needs contract, or democratic, where you can protest..where what the majority wants will be the truth..same as with morality..morality is not being defined by numbers
friech123 6 months ago
@friech123 Try again reading the History. Well, the revolution against the Roman catholic religion, already exists. It just they didn't have that power to organized, to throwdown the papacy. What started the great Reformation was its all started from a German Dominican monk, he posted a 97 thesis that crippled the entire establishment of the Roman Catholic religion. In the eyes of the Pope, he actually challenged the universal sovereign authority of the Pope. So there you go, a small History.
gearzone2611 6 months ago
@gearzone2611 Try again reading the History. Well, the revolution against the Roman catholic religion, already exists.
true, there were revolution in the church..you mentioned one, martin luther who was excommunicated....but look at the church, they still exist no matter how cruel and vicious the attacks they do to this church by the cohorts of satan...at the end it still stand...again, i quote from the bible. Jesus promised "ill be with you till the end of times"
friech123 6 months ago
@friech123 Did you read the 97 thesis of Martin Luther against the establishement of the roman catholic religion? That causes so many catholics to protests the papacy. What I meant is, look at your chuch what they did to these fine catholics that protested against the papacy. Its your own people that despised your religion. Since you're playing like you are a victim of the atrocities that your religion did to these poor catholics and non-catholics. Nothing to prove you made a valid argument bud.
gearzone2611 6 months ago
@gearzone2611 Jesus promised "ill be with you till the end of times"...meaning, he will never let anyone destroy the church he founded...NEVER!!! so for 2000 years of history of the church...it still stand and continuous to stand till the end of times...RH bill, the pajero bishops(which in fact is false), the CCP exhibit ARE JUST A SPECK of what has been encountered by the church since the time of the apostles, to the persecution, reformation, spring of atheism etc...
friech123 6 months ago
@friech123 He was talking about spiritual things, people that are saved through Jesus Christ, not a church. Since you claim, this is a church. Explain it to me. By saying 2000 of history, you really failed so badly. When in fact Jesus Christ, before he created the world. He's foundation has been built already before time. You never read the Bible, but always keep believing that religious organizations. I am sorry, you are just a zealot religious roman catholics - following a bunch of blind men.
gearzone2611 6 months ago
@gearzone2611 let me know ur religion if u r not a coward....
friech123 6 months ago
@friech123 Since I mentioned it before, I will be writing it again for you. Since you always gets to forget my ole special friend. My belief is nothing to ashamed for, for it is the power of Jesus Christ to all men, that might received the salvation. Here it is, my complete name of my belief: I am a born-again bible-believing christian. So, that is not something to be coward for, that is something to be stated, not through religious doctrines, but of testimony of Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior.
gearzone2611 6 months ago
@gearzone2611 I am a born-again bible-believing christian....
very good...you have the courage to share what group you belong....
first, what do you mean by born again? BECAUSE, many born again people believe that when they belong to born again groups they''ll be save...as from the bible"unless you'll be born again, u'll not enter the kingdom of heaven...so, what born again for you means? to belong to your group?
friech123 6 months ago
@friech123 Its not a group, it's for individual person of accepting Jesus Christ, as his/her personal savior. You're asking me, what is born-again, and I thought you're a christian buddy, and read the Bible? It seems you do Not know what you believe. Being born-again, isn't belonging to a group my friend. You got so many mistakes. I am so disappointed with your thoughts about what Jesus Christ taught his disciples, and brethren. I'm asking you, how old are you? You should start diggin' more bud.
gearzone2611 5 months ago
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@gearzone2611 and I thought you're a christian buddy, and read the Bible?
u know agnosticism?better read wikipedia for crash definition...
Being born-again, isn't belonging to a group my friend....
===y u share the same place worshipping ur god, raising ur hands and say "alleluia, amen, in jesus name you are saved, though u r rapist, u will be saved by saying jesus and raisng ur hands", this normally what ur pators say...y u have pastors? if u say it is not a group..u
friech123 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 ===y u share the same place worshipping ur god, raising ur hands and say "alleluia, amen, in jesus name you are saved, though u r rapist, u will be saved by saying jesus and raisng ur hands", this normally what ur pators say...y u have pastors? if u say it is not a group..u again have a problem with what is a group means....do you have ur own dictionary? u as the author?u tend to personalize everything..ahh, maybe u r inspired by the holy spirit to have a new definition of "group"
friech123 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 if u say it is not a group..u again have a problem with what is a group means....do you have ur own dictionary? u as the author?u tend to personalize everything..ahh, maybe u r inspired by the holy spirit to have a new definition of "group"..
and what about ur definition of what is a "chair"? if i stand on top of the chair, is i still a chair?
friech123 5 months ago
@friech123 By saying you use dictionary of defining that word, you made yourself like you never read a single books from the Hebrew, Greeks, Old and New Testaments. You loved to view yourself, contrary to that, it seems quite opposite. You are here talking about, what kind of dictionary. When the Old and New Testaments where just bundled together that took a thousand years. Such wordings and translation were Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greeks. Again, what dictionary you are trying to prove around here?
gearzone2611 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 what dictionary you are trying to prove around here?
r u autistic?..u cant get my point...i gave an analogy about how u will define CHAIR....IT WAS AN ANALOGY U IDIOT regarding our discussion on relativism...and here you are connecting the dictionary and the bible....u must be autistic...and you dont know the logical reasoning....
friech123 5 months ago
@friech123 You lost your credibility of being an intellectual person my friend. I assumed that you just here want to create tensions and not knowledge. The logical reasoning, try reading the Bible history. Why would I refer a dictionary from the old books. Whereas the dictionary of current terms is quite irrelevant from the past wordings and translations. The "chair" argument. Funny, when there is too many to discuss relativism. Anyway, I am quite disappointed your lack of Biblical history bud.
gearzone2611 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 there are those when they read the bible lead to relativism...how can you really grasp the truth of the bible which would not lead you to relativism? first, be an expert of history from the ancient
friech123 6 months ago
@friech123 Would you mind explaining it to me, that such person would be reading a Bible would lead this person to a concept of relativism? Since the Bible speak for itself as an absolute authority of interpreting the Bible or understanding of the person reading. The Bible holds as an absolute truth. It states, the Bible hold as an authority of the truth, being absolute truth. Would you mind telling me, what's the bearing states that such claim in the Bible could lead a person to a relativism?
gearzone2611 6 months ago
@gearzone2611 ...the Bible hold as an authority of the truth, being absolute truth. Would you mind telling me, what's the bearing states that such claim in the Bible could lead a person to a relativism?...
very much correct that the truth is the bible....BUT, THE PROBLEM RESTS ON THE PEOPLE WHO READ IT..again, EXAMPLE, we look on the same chair..the truth is it is the chair...but other might think its not a chair but a platform..now, where is the problm?the knower right? thats relativism
friech123 6 months ago
@friech123 If the Bible is very much correct as being the truth. Then why do you have a problem with people interpreting the Bible? Since you stated that the Bible is reliable as truth, and the rests of the flocks doing it, do you have to go with them with the same results. Remember you stated the Bible is correct. The problem is, they're being absolute on behalf of their understanding in the Bible, NO relativism going on. We need it, for being independent, and criticial reasoning in the Bible.
gearzone2611 6 months ago
@gearzone2611 If the Bible is very much correct as being the truth. Then why do you have a problem with people interpreting th ....The problem is, they're being absolute on behalf of their understanding in the Bible, NO relativism going on. We need it, for being independent, and..."
there is relativism with people using /interpreting the bible...fundamental question..WHY PASTORS OF DIFF SECTS DISAGREES, THEY USE THE SAME BIBLE, BUT THEY UPHOLD DIFF TEACHINGS...?
THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM!
friech123 6 months ago
@friech123 Again and again, people do not use the same Bible. If you need understanding, then study the Hsitory of the Bible. By interpreting the Bible, its for that individual person's conviction, by the Holy Spirit. Since, you do not understand about the Comforter, which is in Christ. Then you better start reading and studying the Bible. As I said, I am talking about an individual person, not a groups of people or a church here. To understand it, you could start Reading in John Chapter Three.
gearzone2611 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 By interpreting the Bible, its for that individual person's conviction, by the Holy Spirit...
==thhat only proves that you are so convenient with relativism...lame excuse from u?INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!...my question, r u SO SURE that what inspires u is the real Holy Spirit?
friech123 5 months ago
@friech123 By interpreting the Bible, you are using your head, your very own mind here. I do not know what are you trying to say here, by saying that Im so convenient with relativism, when in fact it is opposite. Im sorry, I guess you're too young to understand. "r u SO SURE that what inspires u is the realy Holy Spirit?"I think its time for you, to shut off your eyes and mouth to your priests, and start digging that techniques of finding the truth. Don't remain blind and be silence, go find it!
gearzone2611 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 As I said, I am talking about an individual person, not a groups of people or a church here.
===that statement of yours only proves that born again is a group...AND, you dont want the born again people to be dragged down coz of you..another lame excuse, and u say "talking as an individual person"...hahah..funny...where did you got logic? i mean, where did you study philosophy?its very poor!!!
friech123 5 months ago
@friech123 What.. you really need help with the pastors and historians here, or maybe theologian scholars. Born-again is actually a Greek word, that's been translated into English. The word born-again, is not even near word into a word "group." The word born-again has two meaning if you really read it in the Bible, that was originally translated from the original manuscripts. Jesus spoke about it, if you carefully read the chapter three of John. There were no mention of "group" it was in person!
gearzone2611 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 EXAMPLE, we look on the same chair..the truth is it is the chair...but other might think its not a chair but a platform..now, where is the problm?the knower right? thats relativism...
NOW, look at whats happening to all christians..they are using the same bible....BUT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TEACHINGS which contradicts to each other....the TAMANG DAAN contradicts DATING DAAN..protestants against catholic...methodists against presbytrians.etc...THAT'S THE PROBLEM..AND IT S RELATIVISM
friech123 6 months ago
@friech123 Relativism is various beliefs, ideas, etc.. they must sort out their differences, and conclude into a single system of beliefs, relativism. A chair is a chair, nothing can argue with that. By saying "..they're using the same Bible,.." because of this statement you made, please study the history of the Bible. They have their own teachings, because they all practice their religious rights of understanding the Bible. Religion versus religion, and not finding the truth of Jesus Christ.
gearzone2611 6 months ago
@gearzone2611 A chair is a chair, nothing can argue with that...
IT IS STILL ARGUABLE....
if i stand on top of the chair, is it still a chair???or platform?
if i sleep on th chair, is it still chair? or a bed....?
hehe
friech123 6 months ago
@gearzone2611 Bible could lead a person to a relativism?...
LOOK AT YOU...you have your own teaching..and u say that urs is the truth..other sects also say that them is the truth..everyone are claiming the truth..but if ull examine them they contradict each other.
that is relativism and its dangerous.in morality, much dangerous
same as the muslims..they use the same koran, but the extremists and terrorists have their own interpretation specifically the book of sudra..dangerous, right?
friech123 6 months ago
@friech123 Buddy ole pal, I read the Bible. My statement of faith is, believe Jesus Christ as your personal savior, by confessing you're a sinner and need Him. That's not my own teaching, read the Bible. Jesus Christ is the Truth. Everyone can claim they are, but seek the truth, and it will set you free. Read the Bible. By believing Jesus Christ as the way, the truth, and the life. Then I do not see where is the relativitism of faith here? Or I say, Dialectic Materialism, if you know quite well.
gearzone2611 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 dialectic materialism????what's the connect (ion), hahah...?
whats the connection of karl marx's idea and relativism?...
friech123 5 months ago
@friech123 I guess you need more books to read my friend. If you can't connect the dots, if that was been prescribed by an intelligent man to where your reality comes from. Then its impossible for you to understand the very nature of deceptive world. Let me tell you something about dialectic materialism, its where A = position, B = against position, and C = take position of A & B. If you noticed I was mentioning pluralism, and relativism, they are at "C" level, no absolute truth being presented.
gearzone2611 5 months ago
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@gearzone2611 its where A = position, B = against position, and C = take position of A & B. If you noticed I was mentioning pluralism, and relativism, they are at "C" level, no absolute truth being presented.
==wag mo nang pahirapan sarili mo...
thesis
vs anti-thesis
is, synthesis.....
now, what is your point? it is totally different from what is pluralism and relatiivism...you are getting to nowhere..it is you who needs reading in philosophy, all u do is cut and paste from the net
friech123 5 months ago
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@gearzone2611 its where A = position, B = against position, and C = take position of A & B. If you noticed I was mentioning pluralism, and relativism, they are at "C" level, no absolute truth being presented.
==wag mo nang pahirapan sarili mo...
thesis
vs anti-thesis
is, synthesis.....
friech123 5 months ago
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@gearzone2611 its where A = position, B = against position, and C = take position of A & B. If you noticed I was mentioning pluralism, and relativism, they are at "C" level, no absolute truth being presented.
==wag mo nang pahirapan sarili mo...
thesis
vs anti-thesis
is, synthesis.....
friech123 5 months ago
@friech123 Bravo, marunong ka na palang mag-basa ng Dialectic Materialism, or I say Hegelian Dialectic. Baka naman napilitang ka lang mag-basa kasi sinabi ko na mag-basa ka tungkol sa Hegelian Dialectic. Magbasa ka pa ng marami, at hindi ka na makipag-debate sakin na walang kabuluhan. No wonder na flagged ka ng maraming tao dito. Atleast naibigay ko sa iyo, na ang A = thesis, B = anti-thesis, C = synthesis. Believe me, nakakatawa ka. Tingin ko nga hindi ka marunong mag-basa. That's a good sign.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 Atleast naibigay ko sa iyo, na ang A = thesis, B = anti-thesis, C = synthesis. Believe me, nakakatawa ka. Tingin ko nga hindi ka marunong mag-basa. That's a good sign....
ikaw yata ang magbasa kasi....ano ang koneksyon kan dialectics sa relativism and pluralism???idiot!!!ako pa ang turuan mo na major ko ang philosophy....at saka u r trying to connect pluralism with relativism...very very funny!!!!
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 Atleast nalaman ko marunong ka palang tumawa, at hindi marunong mag-basa. Since sinabi ko ulit, sasabihin ko na naman. At para naman maipasok ko ang simpleng formula. A = Biblical absolute, B = Atheistic views, C = Global worldviews. So get mo na? Relativism = no absolute. Pluralism = no absolute, but represent various concepts as acceptable. So relativism and pluralism represent as synthesis, its a two combination, they both represent ideas that does NOT accept absolutism as element.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 A = Biblical absolute, B = Atheistic views, C = Global worldviews. So get mo na?....
indeed, u r too idiot....
ganito yan parekoy...dialectics formula is A + B = C
relativism is A = B = C...gets mo na???
my advice...u look for a logician or epistemologists, okie...u r too beyond talking relativism, pluralism and dialectics....
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 You simply do have an issues of getting knowledge isn't it? Since you're propping up about this Dialectic formula. Then I would suggest you rather read books then. It looks like, I insulted your child like thinking. Am I harming your lack of understanding of history, and your belief system? Well good to know, na alam mo na pala gumawa ng Formula ng thesis, anti-thesis, at synthesis. You know, people who doesn't accept their mistakes is a miserable people. Like ignorant is a bliss.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 another lame excuse..y u keep nagging on me that im a child like thinking, go read the bible statement...etc....
why dont u just contradict every statement ..i repeat EVERY STATEMENT of mine HEAD ON as i do
i havent seen any statement from u contradicting my statement...common, this is a debate!!...have sense!!
ahh...u might say again, "go read books first"..haha
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 Its because I thought you were very intellectual person. You said you were educated in the Bible. Repeating doesn't make you a smart person. It only say you did not get the message quite genuinely, then act like you know about it. "I havent seen you any statement contradicting my statement." Say what? Here we go again, you keep rounding up with the hypes of circular thinking my friend. You should stop this. Did you ever read my comments on catholicism? No wonder why you're still here.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 Bravo, marunong ka na palang mag-basa ng Dialectic Materialism, or I say Hegelian Dialectic...
IKAW YATA ANG DAPAT MAGBASA...DIALECTIC MATERIALISM IS TOOOOODIFFERENT FROM HEGELIAN DIALECTIC...
DIALECTIC MATERIALISM = KARL MARX as theorized
HEGELIAN DIALECTICS = WILHELM HEGEL theorized...
you are too idiot in philo...nice try!!!haha
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 Karl Marx is a lapdog of Hegel. So what do you meant by "toooodifferent from Hegelian Dialectic? When in reality he just had his own revised version of "Dialecticism" and the point is... materialism? You know what I noticed, you found Karl Marx and Fridreich Hegel, on theory of Dialectic Materialism and Hegelian Dialectic. Well, atleast you know how to read. So, since you just stopped. I guess the point of laughing is, you got out from the box and seeing sun rays now? Good starting.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
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@gearzone2611 Karl Marx is a lapdog of Hegel. So what do you meant by "toooo different from Hegelian Dialectic...
and dialectics of karl marx is same of relativsm???funny funny funny....
friech123 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 now, what is your point? it is totally different from what is pluralism and relatiivism...you are getting to nowhere..it is you who needs reading in philosophy, all u do is cut and paste from the
friech123 5 months ago
@friech123 Why don't you read pluralism and relativism. They're not in a position of abolute, they're in position of "C" level. Both words are talking about two entities, where position of absolutism is no where to be found. Philosophy is just a mindset of human understanding or probably with the method of scientific theory. I am sorry, you really are not a person that read books. I hope you are looking at it now, the Hegelian Dialectic Materialism. I hope you start reading it, and more books!
gearzone2611 5 months ago
@gearzone2611 Philosophy is just a mindset of human understanding or probably with the method of scientific theory. I am sorry, you really are not a person that read books. I hope you are looking at it now, the Hegelian Dialectic Materialism. I hope you start reading it, and more books!
u r denouncing philosophy...BUt, here u r advocating the hegelian theory by wilhelm hegel...u r absurd dude!!!!...your arguments are pointless...i dnt know where u stand...u r like water lily...
friech123 5 months ago
@friech123 You really are a deluded person, I am sorry. Come again you said, I am advocating Hegelian Dialectic. Buddy, do you ever read people's remarks. Or you just feel you're happy from the illusion of how your brain can't react with different ideas and beliefs? First, you do not know where you stand. Second, you do not know what is your beliefs. Third, you seems to believe you know everything, but never ever touched certain ideas that criticizes your notions. Fourth, you never like reading!
gearzone2611 4 months ago
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@gearzone2611 First, you do not know where you stand. Second, you do not know what is your beliefs. Third, you seems to believe you know everything, but never ever touched certain ideas that criticizes your notions. Fourth, you never like reading!....
you twist again..i accused u of these..here u r ...hahah...sick born again style of debate...
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 I guess you really made your point. "Ignore the facts, I'm living inside the box of ignorance." You still wonder why people leaving your religion? Some catholic members liberalizing/widening their minds, thus challenging the papacy of understanding the Bible and its authority. Since the church and members stuck in the murky of tradition with no evidence of supporting it - that the Pope is the vicar of Christ. Instead of believing the Bible, they all been magnetized by false beliefs.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 You still wonder why people leaving your religion? Some catholic members liberalizing/widening their minds, thus challenging the papacy of understanding the Bible and its authority.
here u r again insisting...what the...r u really lame?dumb?
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 Im sorry, I guess you didn't read your Bible lately. Or you probably listening to your favorite pedophile priests about why catholicism is a predecessor of the old Babylon and Egypt's pagan practices. Perhaps you're beginning to question the authority of the papacy and your local priests? To learn the mistake is the first step of forwarding your own mind. It means learn to think. Why don't you ask your local priest if they really are going to hell if they get married. Try asking abit.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 Since the church and members stuck in the murky of tradition with no evidence of supporting it - that the Pope is the vicar of Christ. Instead of believing the Bible, they all been magnetized by false beliefs.
to whose authority that urs is the true teachings of God?ahhh, from HS again...how sure are u na ang nagaanib sa katawan mo ay ang HS? maybe it is satan...even satan use the bible...and dont u know that the philosophy of satan is hedonism.and hedonism is tantamount
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 'to whose authority that urs is the true teachings of God?" The Bible of course! What's HS? Anong nakaanib sa katawan? Im sorry, hindi kita ma gets. Satan is a fallen angel of God. I do no see your point here. Satan uses the Bible many times, pure logic. Give me a valid evidence, why your catholic bible has the books of Apocrypha? The bible talks about human philosophy which is death/sin; pride. Its got to do with the salvation of the soul of humanbeing through Jesus Christ our Lord.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
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@gearzone2611 'to whose authority that urs is the true teachings of God?" The Bible of course! What's HS? Anong nakaanib sa katawan?
==u said that ur teachings is from the bible and u r inspired by the HS...i asked u, r u really sure that it is the HS who is in u???and where did u get the authority to say this and that, this what it means from the bible???from Holy Spirit? (HS)
friech123 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 to whose authority that urs is the true teachings of God?ahhh, from HS again...how sure are u na ang nagaanib sa katawan mo ay ang HS? maybe it is satan...even satan use the bible...and dont u know that the philosophy of satan is hedonism.and hedonism is tantamount to relativism which u uphold since then....and that is the main thrust of evangelicals, born against "follow ur own interpretation coz the HS is in u", "disregard the established authority to teach u"..
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 Again and again, how old are you? You keep repeating lies, which I stood long before that I believe the Bible as truth/absolutism. I stand affirming that many times. Yet, you are still here spitting lies, or probably you didn't get it at all? Hedonism is just a human understanding, the wisdom of God are not subject to a mere human understanding. Don't you read the Bible? You said you studied theology. Looks like you wasted your time if you did. Also, what is born against? What's that?
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 Yet, you are still here spitting lies, or probably you didn't get it at all? Hedonism is just a human understanding, the wisdom of God are not subject to a mere human understanding.
===ok, if u said not subject to human understanding, how sure are u that the it is the HS in u? i am sure it is not the holy spirit in u but the devil...
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 It's in the Bible! In the manuscripts. What part that you do not understand? The human understanding is not subject into God's wisdom. The Holy Spirit is not subject into man's views of wisdom. As I see it, you really have a brain of a child. You claim, its the devil. My saying would be, have you read the Bible? If you did not, you sure you are not a brain-washed person, claiming to know everything? I'm like hitting your head not to touch the hot oven buddy, but you still touching it.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 The human understanding is not subject into God's wisdom. The Holy Spirit is not subject into man's views of wisdom.
==if u say so, how come that u r telling me that urs is the true teaching of the bible...that u understand the bible...contradictory statements...haha, who has a child brain now? ur statements are contradicting
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 The Bible is teaching me, remember Sola Scriptura. The Bible is the word of God, a person believing it, it means Sola Fide. So the Bible is actually the one that really puts you in the edge of the pit. Am I telling you to believe me, no I did not say that. I've been telling you, its in the Bible. Why would I make this up, when I did not write the Bible. All I've been doing is believing what's in the Scriptures. I guess laughing will ease up your tension and out from being challenged.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 "follow ur own interpretation coz the HS is in u", "disregard the established authority to teach u"....satan must be smiling at you people coz u let satan worked on u...to be swayed by wat u believe under the guise of "inspired by the HS"...hence, ur religion is satan's religion...have u wondered y majority of protestants hate much catholicism? the answer is, protestantism is satan's religion...ur pastors cannot preach without destroying catholic..divisive, ryt?dat is satan...
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 I know "own" means an individual person loves to practice"independent thinking" and a well-critical persona. Why would Satan works for me, when I believe Jesus Christ saved me from death/sin. Satan is in every religion of the world, no matter how small & big is the religion. If you really have a disputes with Protestants, go for it. It's part of your freedom! True, Protestantism, Catholicism, Buddhism, Atheism, Islam, etc. Satan's biggest lies, and Catholicism is one big Satan's lies!
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 Jesus Christ saved me from death/sin
oh yeah, sola fide...sola scriptura...a true blooded protestant and born against....
sabi ng mga born against "ok lang na mang rape and pumatay, itaas mo lang ang inyong mga kamay, umiyak at maniwala sa kanya....{after several seconds}...thanks god, amen alleluia, linigtas ka na sa mga kasalanan mo....u will go now to heaven, ligtas ka na..." very funny...
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 To where in the Christian statement of faith that killing and raping are acceptable? You really made yourself like a fool my friend. I feel sorry for you, it seems like your beliefs of being Agnostic and Apologetics to the roman catholic religion really put you in the edge of the cliff. You sounds like you do not know anything. A pretty big-headed person, who has no clue to the words of Jesus Christ and his teachings that you are against with. Sin is death my buddy, check Romans 6:23.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 To where in the Christian statement of faith that killing and raping are acceptable? ....do u know how to interpret analogy????
friech123 3 months ago
@gearzone2611 i notice...you cant even contradict my arguments head on which im waiting...instead, your replys are full of contradictions...worst, u twist what i posted, WHICH THE BORN AGAIN PEOPLE ARE WELL KNOWN OF....
friech123 5 months ago
@friech123 By reading this, "which the born again people are well known of.." What's that supposed to mean? Like the definition of born-again has changed, and because of the majority of people are saying that they had a different interpretation from the non-born again communities, and that should be. Well, I guess you should start reading the Bible then. Every time you replied, its always a failure. I really believe you're just a sixteen years old. Come think of it, an agnostic theologian isn't?
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 By reading this, "which the born again people are well known of.." What's that supposed to mean?...
i will really assume that u r a born against or evangelical who read and interprets the bible tooooooooofundamental and literal like the islamic terrorists shyte....
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 Evangelical is the one who preach from the Bible. Also, what is born-against, never heard that. I do not see any difference the one who preach the Bible fundamentally, or the one who preach it literally. Islamic terrorists is Not the same with an Islam teachers. Terrorists are people who terrorized; make violent; etc. I do not know where you going now. Buddy, its not like a single catholic person would claim that he will kill heretics because they do not respect the authority of pope.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 islamic terrorists are those who have fundamentalist and literal translation of the bible especially the book of sudra where it says that allah permits the muslim to kill an unbeliever, and die as a martyr coz 72 virgins are waiting for them in heaven...
look at u now who rather believe in too fundamental thing which is beyond God's wisdom...
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 islamic terrorists are those who have fundamentalist and literal translation of the [bible]
not bible but koran....
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 It's alright, most I meant all Muslims people are Not terrorists anyway and doesn't believe killing a person will take them to heaven full of 72 virgins. It's alright, you take the entire notions of Islamic terrorists as terrorists, can be true but absurd when you wide the gap of real terrorists. Also, you wonder too much from fundamental as a bad thing. Also, anyone can believe what ever he wants, as long they recognize the other guy can be fundamental/against the other beliefs too.
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 "most I meant all Muslims people are Not terrorists anyway "
"listening to your favorite pedophile priests about why catholicism is a predecessor"
===double standards, huh?...very funny..seems u have all the hate to catholics...sounds really a born againsts....haha
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 What is the point if people are very fundamental about their religion? Seem us people who love to preach evolution, or may catholicism. An evolutionist can be fundamental as any other Bible preachers. Or as fundamental as a priest to his own church members. If an Islamic terrorists is very fundamental as any other group members of Islamic terrorist organizations, and believe killing a so called heretics is heavenly grace. Then the point of moral story, you can't see a retarded person?
gearzone2611 4 months ago
@gearzone2611 What is the point if people are very fundamental about their religion?
"it is like a horse with eyes covered running"...am i sounding metaphorical? oh yeah, u might misinterpret or misunderstand my statement coz ur mind setting is fundamental which cant fathom figurative languages...
friech123 4 months ago
@friech123 I guess you really had a different meaning of fundamentalist. Actually you're talking about a terrorist here, not a fundamentalist. Read what's in the Dictionary, and not your own interpretation and from from the mainstream media concerning fundamentalist. "Allah permits any Muslim to kill unbelievers for the sake of 72 virgins." If that is the case, then I guess you watch too much mainstream media. You should turn off your television, and study why Islamic terrorism is a big lies!
gearzone2611 4 months ago