I think it would be like adding another dimension to what people see, like if you had a scale of everything that people could see it would be like a vertical scale with white at one end, black at the other and all the shades of grey in the middle. With color it would be like at every point of grey there's a horizontal scale with all the different colors that are that bright
You would just have to put other colors in terms of existing colors. It's like what Terry Pratchett does, trying to describe that octarine color. So you would have to say, it's like black or white or grey, there are just more of them. It's like how ancient peoples considered "shiny" or "glittery" as a color. Because they saw colors more in those terms, in ancient Greece for instance, in terms of brightness more than shade. My Master's thesis is partly about ancient colors! =)
what has always got me is that when you look at an object and see a colour (lets say green), your green could look like my pink and vice versa. we learned the names for things... but what if we each see completely different colours but call them by the names we learned them. There is no way to tell. even colour tests would not work because my green could be pink to you, but we would both call it green because that is what we learned. Hm. My brain hurts.
I guess one way of describing color would be through emotions and sensations. Like a cool blue color might be described as invoking a sense of calm or serenity. Or else how the cloud feels, like a breeze that tingles your neck and makes shivers run down you spine. Something like that.
The colour question is SO DIFFICULT! One of my friends is blind, and sometimes she asks random questions like "how is red warm?" and I never have any idea how to answer them.
I don't know how I would explain color, but you know how you guys were saying that everyone sees colors slightly differently? I was just thinking about that this morning. I actually see slightly different shades with my two eyes. Like, my right eye doesn't see exactly the same as my left one in certain lighting. Is anyone else like that?
I think that the idea of having to explain color to someone who has never seen it before can be similar to trying to perceive different "dimensions" in our universe. They're all around us but we just can't perceive or tune into them unless we alter our mind with psychedelic drugs or die or something like that. They're simply unexplainable.
However, people who are colourblind don't necessarily always know they are. So with your example of the two objects, it's not like people wouldn't see the difference. If they've been trained to recognise that shade of grey as that particular shade of pink (which is what happens in people that are colourblind) they will recognise that shade of grey as pink, and that's what pink will mean in their mind. So they'll recognise bubblegum as pink as well as associate the taste with that colour!
I sometimes wonder what if everyone sees different colors like what I call blue you also call blue but you would see yellow and I would see blue but no one knows the difference because we both call it blue, does that make sense?
You can also notice the different perception of colors between different languages. The are some aboriginies who only have two words for colors, like warm colors and cold colors and then the inuit distinguish many shades of white, because they live in the snow.
A thing that is really mindblowing for me is how animals see the world differently, like if you have the camera imitating the view of a bee who can see ultraviolet light...
Perhaps there isn't a way to experience color in a meaningful way without being able to see color. Philosophy of Mind talks about these issues, and doesn't come up with any better answer of explaining the what-it's-like-ness of an experience. I would argue that it isn't possible to explain the experience of seeing color with words to someone who can't see it.
I have something called synesthesia, which basically means that all of my senses do this insane mashup. Colors have personalities, songs make me see colorful shapes, and tastes or smells trigger random memories or feeli gs.
This is really helpful for me, since I'm writing a novel from the point of a view of a colour-blind painter who has colour described to him by other people
There's also this awesome phenomenon wherein when people have more words for colors, they can see the colors differently. Such as, there is a tribe where there's only one word for colors that fall in the range of orange, red, and pink, so when people from that tribe compare what we'd think of as hot pink, bright orange, and deep red, they described them all as the shades of the same color. Also - I think I'd describe color scientifically, like with wavelengths of light xD
@MariahTheTuber I totally get that! Would they still see the orangey-red and sometimes blue that you see though if they are just able to see black and white? So complicated.
Hmm. I get what you're saying about relating it to music, temperature, flavours and objects etc. but doesn't that just make sense to us colour see-ers because of what we associate with the colour?
I would shine a reaaalllyy bright light in someones eyes, get them to close their eyes, then they would see the colors....do you get it? You know when you see colours when your eyes are closed? Someone tell me they get it?? :P
I always found it interesting when I was little that people might not see colour the same because if your always told blue is blue how do you know if thats what other people see when they look at it.
I found this really interesting children's books to teach blind kids about colour. It worked by linking sounds and objects to colours. I know one was something like "Tom thinks that brown is the colour of leaves when you walk on them." I guess it works.
I would mostly just liken it to pitches in music. My mother has perfect pitch, and she talks all the time about how different pitches to her make her envision different colors. It's completely fascinating to me to think about that correlation, since I only have relative pitch, but the question as a whole is an interesting thing to think about.
This is a fascinating question to me because I know someone who has suffered from Achromatopsia since he was born, meaning he can only see black, white, and shades of gray. I never attempted to describe different colors to him, but I would love to ask him if anyone has/what they said.
I love you two. You could've just said "Colour is the reflection of light into your eye blah, blah, blah... ". But no, you described colour as a smell or feeling.
Color is relatively easy to describe; it's a certain part of the electromagnetic spectrum that bounces off of an object and is captured by the eye. The difficulty comes in trying to describe what the sensation of seeing that color is like. It's just like how we can't see ultraviolet waves or infrared waves. Everything that we see is constantly reflecting those waves, just like they reflect color, our eyes just aren't equipped to pick them up.
My english teacher asked us this question when we were reading the Giver. I don't think my class quite grasped it. When she asked how we would describe green, people started yelling out grass. They didn't get that they couldn't see the color of the grass. You did much better than them. Lol
The problem with this solution is -- do we associate green with spearmint because it IS green? Without the color, the scent may not mean green anymore. That scent would correspond to that particular shade of gray.
The reason you associate the taste of spearmint with green is because of the colour of the leaves (and packaging of mints) the same goes for bubble gum and pink. They don't actually taste of those colours, unless you have Synesthesia. :p I'd say in terms of understanding the concept of colour you could akin it to pitch, in that what they experience (shades of grey) have more variety than they can perceive but i have no idea how you could describe it to enable them to visualize colour.
Question of the Universe: If you were a god and were making a world, would you choose to have a finite number of immortal beings on the planet, or mortal beings that would reproduce? Eternal life and opportunity, or a chance for new beginnings?
I'd definitely explain them in terms of moods. But here's an interesting question. You brought up how different everything would be if no one could see color. So what would be call an orange?
i'd also use the idea of wavelength....OR...to totally defeat the purpose of this question, create something that would allow them to see color, like hearing aids for people who have difficultly hearing.
You could describe color as an electromagnetic radiation wavelength or frequency as it refracts or reflects off of different materials at different intensities. This would assign a number to the color for comparison to other colors. though they may appear the same shade in the non colored world viewer they would still measure at a different frequency and so be able to be differentiated.
@jullachris90 I would probably use something as a metaphor or is it simile, that shows the difference between the shades people see and the vibrancy of true color. Maybe use something with texture or odor to compare it to another of the senses and show how much more vibrant color is in comparison to the grey scale that they are seeing.
Also, how would you explain smells and tastes? I've thought about this sometimes. It's so difficult to explain a smell that another person hasn't smelled if you have no smells to compare it to! And I have difficulty remembering what exactly things smell like...
Always found colour an interesting subject in my life. I'm colour blind and I'm really love art. My high school art teacher didn't know I was colour blind until my final year. I couldn't get skin tone right and he couldn't understand why. Colour has definitley taken a backseat in my life. I move towards patterns and shapes. It seems less important to me. So I guess if I couldn't see colour at all I wouldn't even think about it. But I agree touch, smell and sound would have to replace them.
It also blows my mind to think that we could all be seeing different colors when we look at the same object. My sister and I argued over whether a stripe on a shirt was black or navy. I've had the shirt for five years and always thought it was black until she said it was navy. Weird!
his was fascinating! I'd love to see more of stuff like this. I've always wondered the same thing. Something that blows my mind is the fact that all color is just light reflecting off of an object.
I don't think it's actually possible (I'm so optimistic...) to explain the perception of colour. You could fairly easily explain how they're actually different (frequency of light etc.) to someone who didn't mind getting into the physics, but to actually explain how you perceive them using our language isn't possible. Analogies to bubblegum and such only work because you have those associations having seen the colours, you couldn't use it to explain colour to someone who'd never seen it.
We had this discussion in our Philosophy class once, and we also came to the conclusion that there is no way to tell if everyone sees colours the same, or if we all see colours differently, because it's so difficult to explain colours without using objects or other colours as examples.
I would explain colors with emotions. And how certain colors make you feel a certain way. Also, Kristina if you haven't I recommend reading the Giver by Louis Lowry. It deals with this a little and its a really good book.
My mom can only see in black and white and my family never had a way to explain color to her. She sees everything on a grayscale, so it's too hard to tell her the difference between objects of similar shades.
I've always wondered if we all see colors the same. Like we all know what to call blue...but is what I see as blue the same thing as what other people see? You may see a totally different color...but we know to call it all blue because that's what the crayon is labeled.
@aglanceatmyworld I really think people do, to some degree. I mean, some people are colorblind like me, and everything looks different. I never would have noticed if I hadnt been tested. So basically you are only as normal as your mind makes you think you are.
@aglanceatmyworld Descartes hypothesized that, not only does each of us see colours differently, we see every aspect of the universe differently. Sorry, psych major.
I would try and describe it like a graph. Like how we can explain the third dimension by drawing and XYZ graph: colour could be the same- a sliding scale of black to white but with a third dimension.
What you said about monitors and WoW is a literary theory by Henry James called the house of fiction that he puts forward in the preface to the 1908 edition of The Portrait of a Lady- he basically says that we're all looking through a different window of the same house and so get a subtly different view of what's outside.
If you were stranded on an island and you could only bring one person and one kind of food, who and what would you bring and why? (the food will last forever)
i dont think that would work, cause we only associate colours with smells and temperature because we have seen colours compared to the other stuff - if they had never had seen colours then they have never had that association. and my question is- if you eat yourself is it cannibalism?
I think when it comes to the question you asked about M&Ms and not having color anymore, that in that world of shades of grey, they would use patterns a lot more. They would play with textures and patterns because those still exist without color.
The problem is the reason why you would say bubblegum for pink is because bubblegum IS pink. That smell or taste still doesn't necessarily mean that it represents the colour that it is. We also see colours differently and connect different things with colours etc. : ) Interesting though!
We had to do this for philosophy! In the discussion of materialism vs. dualism. It was in favour of dualism because experiencing a colour isn't in your brain; i.e. if you scan the brain you couldn't find a code for the experience of a colour. Idk if this makes sense, I might be explaining it badly, but it's really interesting!
I guess I would try to talk in terms of brightness and intensity and such. Which I know wouldn't completely make sense to a blind person either, but those concepts seem easier to grasp and would work as kind of a stepping stone to understanding color.
you should read or buy 'The Black Book of Colors' it is a braille book, but it also has writing. it defines a few colors, from the option of small childern. its touchs the same topic
I would like to see discussions about the ethics of procreation. Antinatalism is a philosophy that puts forth the idea that having a child is an imposition and an unnecessary gambling with someone else's wefare. The end of all pain will come with the end of all life.
I can't really see how you could explain colors to someone who has never seen them. I mean, you can explain that you see more variation than black-white, and that some many things don't look black, white, or gray at all, but I don't think you can explain it so that people would really understand it.
Colors are what they are because of how we perceive them. And if you can't perceive it at all....
I liked the temperature thing, but I would also of associated emotions and feelings with different colors... Like how Blue is sadness and Red is anger or pain or anguish, etc.
i like the idea of temperature, feeling, and taste coming together for it but i think you went off on a tangent a little from when you got there. like cool, water, and a blue slushie could be representative of blue
The problem would be that if people never saw colour they don't have the association between pink and bubblegum. Your system makes perfect sense to people who saw colours at some point in their lives but not to someone who never saw colours.
you were kind of talking about synesthesia, which is the mixing of the senses. so it manifests as when someone senses something(like they see that pink slipper) another sense would be fired(so they might also smell bubblegum). it is very fun to think about in the same way that you were talking about.
Well, color is entirely subjective, what I describe as a rose pink could look like a pale pink to you, based on how you see things. Like how things appear to be different colors in different lighting even though the actual object is unchanged. I've actually debated the color of things with friends before, because their from the west and I'm from the east so the lighting we see color in is different so the way we see the color is different.
Its always blown my mind, that what if to me, colours looked normal, but every one saw colours differently, so to 1 person he would see his orange as my blue, but another persons orange would be my green. They would describe it as prange so we would neve know if they see it differently
It's hard o explain but I think I'd say that it's different reflections of light. Some are brighter and some are darker and they all show up at different levels of brightness depending on how much light is there.
I'm fairly sure I don't have my facts right, I forgot what an atom looks like, but if an atom is a ball and a stick, and planets are balls, is the universe just a few atoms making up, I don't know, a chair?
I would associate colors with personalities. Like Kristina has a personality that's spring green, a really yellow color and Liz's is more of a mountain purple, more subdued. Also, I'd try to use emotions to connect to colors like red=angry, yellow=happy, and blue=sad.
I know a lot of blind people because I train guide dogs for the blind and I have literally spent long periods of time explaining to a girl how colors work. I used a lot of description words and such. It is really different for each blind person though. Those who have been blind there whole life say that when they picture something they hear the words floating about the shapes I draw on there hand. I will explain more if you want me to but I feel like I am kind of rambling... Maybe at the job hu
Have you read much about people with synaesthesia? That's where your brain jumbles your senses and you see sounds, hear smells etc. It's amazing stuff.
I think I'd go along with your "color package" theory but also attach emotion to each color. So pink is joy or happiness and green (depending on the shade) would be serenity or jealousy.
Something I always find interesting is how when I watch black and white show like I Love Lucy, I don't seems to miss technicolor. In fact, it seems like when I remember a scene my mind has provided color to the setting and wardrobe.
I do, however, wonder how people back then thought about color when they watched these programs, and if it's different than how we, who have seen TV in color, perceive old black and white TV shows. (Probably yeah, because of the color pixels.)
it's so difficult. because even like the bubblegum smell is associated with pink because we already have in our minds that it is pink, the product is pink so we think of pink when we smell it.
I think that if I were the last person to see color, then by that time everyone else would have acquired the ability to differentiate between lighter and darker grays. So I'd probably be like, blue is to slate, as green is to timberwolf or something like that.
Question: If we see slightly different, do our other sense differ as well?
@dannerzme well i mean, everyone has different tastes they like and different pain tolerances and skin sensitivity and stuff like that so really everyone's senses are different.
It's a really hard question, but I would probably tell people to think of green as nuture and calming, and yellow as sunshiney and warm, and blue as cold and icy, andstuff like that.
I'd have to say in terms of brightness, like pink is like grey but brighter and warmer, blue is cooler. It's really a hard thing to explain, like explaining sound to a deaf person.
@Pixiesoapbox I think they might, because grey can be bright and dark in different ways. So, just like say how it's bright but in a different way, I guess. It would help them understand a bit more, but not fully.
@isabelrae I feel like it would be easier to explain sound to a deaf person, because they can feel vibrations. I remember there being a special on some show about showing kids what it's like by teaching them to play drums.
@dmt543nerd True, but it would still be difficult. And knowing how to play drums is a lot different than knowing what they sound like, because you could never understand really how sound worked without hearing, nor colour without seeing. You can give a person an idea of what it's like but they will never know it like other people.
Hahhaha, Kristina and Liz; Vlogging Philosophers.:) That's such a complicated question! I think you came up with pretty good answers, anyhow. Good video, I look foward to seeing more like this :).
I think with the smell correlation thing you'd have to go with something isn't the actual color you're associating. We associate bubble gum with pink because it already is pink, so I think you'd have to choose a smell that reflects the feeling the color gives.
@hotpinkelephant11 but that is the point, we think pink with bubblegum because it is already pink, but in our minds that is how it is we develop that smell and taste and everything with pink; so you still would describe it as that. Like when i think of cool and calm and such i think of blue. So i could tell someone that the ocean is blue, it gives you that calm feeling and has that breeze, so essentially blue is the calm and breeze. yah know? just my thoughts.
your discussion reminds me of a book I read years ago called 'The Memory Keeper'(I think) where one boy can see color, but no one else in his world can and they think he is crazy.
But, if you said spearmint. We've associated the colour with the object. And something is "cool" coloured because that's what we've been told. If you try and explain cold and warm colours to someone who has never been able to see colour, that colour by association of foods/objects wouldn't work....If they have never been able to see it, you can't compare it with anything therefore it would essentially be impossible.
What I always thought is really interesting is the way that we're taught color. We're shown a color and told this is green. So we associate that color with that name. But what if the swatch that we call green looks a certain color to me (lets say green) and a completely different color to you (for instance purple). But from childhood we have both learned to call that color green. So who knows, what we actually see
I think that if you were the last person who could see colour, that you should just give up on trying to explain it to people. They would have lived their lives not seeing the colour and so would not know what to compare it to. I agree with a commenter before me, you should read the Giver. Instead of just colour, it deals with everyday life experiences that the rest of the people don't have and what it's like to be the only one who knows.
I read the book 4 years ago and I still think about it.
The only thibg i can cone up with is, if someone has never seen colour before, then it can't be explained to them. You can describe what the colour represents e.g warmth, but you can't actually describe the colour to them.
I always wonder, 'What if there is a completely new colour made? What would it look like?!'
kimmiko8 3 days ago
you can't explain color without a point of reference. it would equally as hard to explain sounds to people that can't hear.
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I think it would be like adding another dimension to what people see, like if you had a scale of everything that people could see it would be like a vertical scale with white at one end, black at the other and all the shades of grey in the middle. With color it would be like at every point of grey there's a horizontal scale with all the different colors that are that bright
craigmac1989 1 month ago
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You would just have to put other colors in terms of existing colors. It's like what Terry Pratchett does, trying to describe that octarine color. So you would have to say, it's like black or white or grey, there are just more of them. It's like how ancient peoples considered "shiny" or "glittery" as a color. Because they saw colors more in those terms, in ancient Greece for instance, in terms of brightness more than shade. My Master's thesis is partly about ancient colors! =)
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If you were the "last person on the planet" there wouldn't be anyone else to explain colour to.
sweetypie000 1 month ago
what has always got me is that when you look at an object and see a colour (lets say green), your green could look like my pink and vice versa. we learned the names for things... but what if we each see completely different colours but call them by the names we learned them. There is no way to tell. even colour tests would not work because my green could be pink to you, but we would both call it green because that is what we learned. Hm. My brain hurts.
senoritasophs13 1 month ago
I guess one way of describing color would be through emotions and sensations. Like a cool blue color might be described as invoking a sense of calm or serenity. Or else how the cloud feels, like a breeze that tingles your neck and makes shivers run down you spine. Something like that.
321anita 1 month ago
The colour question is SO DIFFICULT! One of my friends is blind, and sometimes she asks random questions like "how is red warm?" and I never have any idea how to answer them.
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I don't know how I would explain color, but you know how you guys were saying that everyone sees colors slightly differently? I was just thinking about that this morning. I actually see slightly different shades with my two eyes. Like, my right eye doesn't see exactly the same as my left one in certain lighting. Is anyone else like that?
Sarasince1992 1 month ago
I think that the idea of having to explain color to someone who has never seen it before can be similar to trying to perceive different "dimensions" in our universe. They're all around us but we just can't perceive or tune into them unless we alter our mind with psychedelic drugs or die or something like that. They're simply unexplainable.
KellyMarie1204 1 month ago
However, people who are colourblind don't necessarily always know they are. So with your example of the two objects, it's not like people wouldn't see the difference. If they've been trained to recognise that shade of grey as that particular shade of pink (which is what happens in people that are colourblind) they will recognise that shade of grey as pink, and that's what pink will mean in their mind. So they'll recognise bubblegum as pink as well as associate the taste with that colour!
AstridIthilwen 1 month ago
M&ms would still be colored in a world of only black and white to be interesting because they would still be different shades
snakeskin555 1 month ago
I sometimes wonder what if everyone sees different colors like what I call blue you also call blue but you would see yellow and I would see blue but no one knows the difference because we both call it blue, does that make sense?
eierman97 1 month ago
I have achromatopsia. No one could ever explain it to me either, don't worry
TheAcousticOperation 1 month ago
You can also notice the different perception of colors between different languages. The are some aboriginies who only have two words for colors, like warm colors and cold colors and then the inuit distinguish many shades of white, because they live in the snow.
A thing that is really mindblowing for me is how animals see the world differently, like if you have the camera imitating the view of a bee who can see ultraviolet light...
CharlineLikesC 1 month ago
Perhaps there isn't a way to experience color in a meaningful way without being able to see color. Philosophy of Mind talks about these issues, and doesn't come up with any better answer of explaining the what-it's-like-ness of an experience. I would argue that it isn't possible to explain the experience of seeing color with words to someone who can't see it.
skrich2 1 month ago
There is NO pink light /watch?v=S9dqJRyk0YM&list=PLED25F943F8D6081C&index=1&feature=plcp
iamavet 1 month ago
I have something called synesthesia, which basically means that all of my senses do this insane mashup. Colors have personalities, songs make me see colorful shapes, and tastes or smells trigger random memories or feeli gs.
flyinglemon105 1 month ago
QoftheU: if a deity or god exists, would you want to know?
Also, this reminds me too of The Giver, one of my favourite books. If you haven't, read it.
dynamitekatie 1 month ago
This is really helpful for me, since I'm writing a novel from the point of a view of a colour-blind painter who has colour described to him by other people
mopingmyrtle 1 month ago
Okay, Kristina, I have a question:
Who is best pony?
photosinensis 1 month ago
Its funny because I'm colorblind XD
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What is the meaning of life to you?
evaisepicful 1 month ago
There's also this awesome phenomenon wherein when people have more words for colors, they can see the colors differently. Such as, there is a tribe where there's only one word for colors that fall in the range of orange, red, and pink, so when people from that tribe compare what we'd think of as hot pink, bright orange, and deep red, they described them all as the shades of the same color. Also - I think I'd describe color scientifically, like with wavelengths of light xD
beautychaotic 1 month ago
@MariahTheTuber I totally get that! Would they still see the orangey-red and sometimes blue that you see though if they are just able to see black and white? So complicated.
GryffindorIChooseYou 1 month ago
@GryffindorIChooseYou @MCLiv93 Yay! People who get it!! :D
MariahTheTuber 1 month ago
Hmm. I get what you're saying about relating it to music, temperature, flavours and objects etc. but doesn't that just make sense to us colour see-ers because of what we associate with the colour?
caketyn 1 month ago
:O A life without M&Ms?!?!?!
MariahTheTuber 1 month ago
I would shine a reaaalllyy bright light in someones eyes, get them to close their eyes, then they would see the colors....do you get it? You know when you see colours when your eyes are closed? Someone tell me they get it?? :P
MariahTheTuber 1 month ago 4
@MariahTheTuber YES! i get what you mean :)
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@MariahTheTuber I'm afraid that wouldn't work
you only see those colours then because you are able to see colour
if you can't see colour at all, you can't see those colours as well
0manderijn0 1 month ago
I always found it interesting when I was little that people might not see colour the same because if your always told blue is blue how do you know if thats what other people see when they look at it.
melouhar 1 month ago
I found this really interesting children's books to teach blind kids about colour. It worked by linking sounds and objects to colours. I know one was something like "Tom thinks that brown is the colour of leaves when you walk on them." I guess it works.
Antworkk 1 month ago
I would mostly just liken it to pitches in music. My mother has perfect pitch, and she talks all the time about how different pitches to her make her envision different colors. It's completely fascinating to me to think about that correlation, since I only have relative pitch, but the question as a whole is an interesting thing to think about.
TheNevilleFangirl 1 month ago
This is a fascinating question to me because I know someone who has suffered from Achromatopsia since he was born, meaning he can only see black, white, and shades of gray. I never attempted to describe different colors to him, but I would love to ask him if anyone has/what they said.
wouldntwatchiteither 1 month ago
Kristina, all I could think about while I was watching this video was how I wanted your nails/nail polish.
bubbles7pjc 1 month ago
I love you two. You could've just said "Colour is the reflection of light into your eye blah, blah, blah... ". But no, you described colour as a smell or feeling.
thedoctordevon 1 month ago
This video made me want to re-read The Giver...if you haven't read it before, this comment is kinda pointless and random (and you should read it lol)
SkyelineProduxions 1 month ago
So.... if there was a fire how would you see it if it was in black and white?
purplecactus24 1 month ago
hmmmmm tempted for being the first dislike,......nah like button
TheGirlKiba 1 month ago
this is like a "The Giver" question isn't it?
TheGirlKiba 1 month ago
I saw a book in the library that told you how to explain a color to someone who is blind by using the other senses.
Blissful1212 1 month ago
Color is relatively easy to describe; it's a certain part of the electromagnetic spectrum that bounces off of an object and is captured by the eye. The difficulty comes in trying to describe what the sensation of seeing that color is like. It's just like how we can't see ultraviolet waves or infrared waves. Everything that we see is constantly reflecting those waves, just like they reflect color, our eyes just aren't equipped to pick them up.
andyrumschlag 1 month ago 6
My english teacher asked us this question when we were reading the Giver. I don't think my class quite grasped it. When she asked how we would describe green, people started yelling out grass. They didn't get that they couldn't see the color of the grass. You did much better than them. Lol
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The problem with this solution is -- do we associate green with spearmint because it IS green? Without the color, the scent may not mean green anymore. That scent would correspond to that particular shade of gray.
dearest27helpless 1 month ago
I've been thinking about it, and different colours have different frequencies, so that could help explain it.
isabelrae 1 month ago
You know how some people are partially color-blind and can't tell the difference between specific colors? So crazy. I can't imagine that.
thatniftykid 1 month ago
The reason you associate the taste of spearmint with green is because of the colour of the leaves (and packaging of mints) the same goes for bubble gum and pink. They don't actually taste of those colours, unless you have Synesthesia. :p I'd say in terms of understanding the concept of colour you could akin it to pitch, in that what they experience (shades of grey) have more variety than they can perceive but i have no idea how you could describe it to enable them to visualize colour.
gorrillawoman 1 month ago
I am so confused by this question all the time...
Lauen324 1 month ago
I guess it is a good thing that you're not the last person who can see color.
WarmWeatherGuy 1 month ago
Question of the Universe: If you were a god and were making a world, would you choose to have a finite number of immortal beings on the planet, or mortal beings that would reproduce? Eternal life and opportunity, or a chance for new beginnings?
TheBrainPulse 1 month ago
This sounds like the kid's book called The Giver! (kinda)
photofaery 1 month ago
@photofaery
I was thinking of that! That was one of the main questions I'd ask myself while reading that book.
Lauen324 1 month ago
I'd definitely explain them in terms of moods. But here's an interesting question. You brought up how different everything would be if no one could see color. So what would be call an orange?
Rithene 1 month ago
Emotional values of different colors.
Markamisix 1 month ago
OHMYGALIFREY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. *is, like, dead*
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My auntie can only see things in black and white and grey
She can't see colour....
Forestsummoner 1 month ago
i'd also use the idea of wavelength....OR...to totally defeat the purpose of this question, create something that would allow them to see color, like hearing aids for people who have difficultly hearing.
shakespeareangeek 1 month ago
You could describe color as an electromagnetic radiation wavelength or frequency as it refracts or reflects off of different materials at different intensities. This would assign a number to the color for comparison to other colors. though they may appear the same shade in the non colored world viewer they would still measure at a different frequency and so be able to be differentiated.
imkluu 1 month ago
@imkluu But how would you explain the sensation of colour vision?
jullachris90 1 month ago
@jullachris90 I would probably use something as a metaphor or is it simile, that shows the difference between the shades people see and the vibrancy of true color. Maybe use something with texture or odor to compare it to another of the senses and show how much more vibrant color is in comparison to the grey scale that they are seeing.
imkluu 1 month ago
Also, how would you explain smells and tastes? I've thought about this sometimes. It's so difficult to explain a smell that another person hasn't smelled if you have no smells to compare it to! And I have difficulty remembering what exactly things smell like...
jullachris90 1 month ago
Always found colour an interesting subject in my life. I'm colour blind and I'm really love art. My high school art teacher didn't know I was colour blind until my final year. I couldn't get skin tone right and he couldn't understand why. Colour has definitley taken a backseat in my life. I move towards patterns and shapes. It seems less important to me. So I guess if I couldn't see colour at all I wouldn't even think about it. But I agree touch, smell and sound would have to replace them.
darkeyes247 1 month ago
@darkeyes247
Your artwork must look very intresting, then, with the skin colors.
Lauen324 1 month ago
@Lauen324 Not as interesting as you'd think. I shy away from natural skin tone. And skin altogether mostly. Otherwise everybody looks like lobsters.
darkeyes247 1 month ago
It also blows my mind to think that we could all be seeing different colors when we look at the same object. My sister and I argued over whether a stripe on a shirt was black or navy. I've had the shirt for five years and always thought it was black until she said it was navy. Weird!
AlmostRelly 1 month ago
Theres a scene in the movie about Rocky Dennis called Mask where he tries to explain this to a blind girl.
BksRAwsm 1 month ago
his was fascinating! I'd love to see more of stuff like this. I've always wondered the same thing. Something that blows my mind is the fact that all color is just light reflecting off of an object.
snowpixie15 1 month ago
I'm actually trying to write a paper right now where I describe my favorite color without using sight, so this was interestingly timed.
theyliveinsideus 1 month ago
I don't think it's actually possible (I'm so optimistic...) to explain the perception of colour. You could fairly easily explain how they're actually different (frequency of light etc.) to someone who didn't mind getting into the physics, but to actually explain how you perceive them using our language isn't possible. Analogies to bubblegum and such only work because you have those associations having seen the colours, you couldn't use it to explain colour to someone who'd never seen it.
Mjiig 1 month ago 11
We had this discussion in our Philosophy class once, and we also came to the conclusion that there is no way to tell if everyone sees colours the same, or if we all see colours differently, because it's so difficult to explain colours without using objects or other colours as examples.
BizarreJelly5 1 month ago
Your friend is smart.
slayerspirit101 1 month ago
I worked out (crudely) you said "like" 73 times. That's one "like" every 3 seconds :P interesting video also!
AnnabellaTS 1 month ago
loved how they worked the how people see different colours question with a WoW analagy :L
darkducki 1 month ago
I would explain colors with emotions. And how certain colors make you feel a certain way. Also, Kristina if you haven't I recommend reading the Giver by Louis Lowry. It deals with this a little and its a really good book.
ibelieveinkarma0 1 month ago 4
@ibelieveinkarma0 I completely agree! The Giver was an awesome book when I was in middle school. I bought it for my first kindle purchase.
HeatherToothman 1 month ago
My mom can only see in black and white and my family never had a way to explain color to her. She sees everything on a grayscale, so it's too hard to tell her the difference between objects of similar shades.
littlespookycupcake 1 month ago
I've always wondered if we all see colors the same. Like we all know what to call blue...but is what I see as blue the same thing as what other people see? You may see a totally different color...but we know to call it all blue because that's what the crayon is labeled.
aglanceatmyworld 1 month ago 36
@aglanceatmyworld I really think people do, to some degree. I mean, some people are colorblind like me, and everything looks different. I never would have noticed if I hadnt been tested. So basically you are only as normal as your mind makes you think you are.
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@aglanceatmyworld I am so relieved not to be the only person who wonders that.
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@aglanceatmyworld Take Philosophy in college... 'cause that' pretty much it.
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@TheRydog100 Didn't have time to take philosophy while at college...
aglanceatmyworld 1 month ago
@aglanceatmyworld Descartes hypothesized that, not only does each of us see colours differently, we see every aspect of the universe differently. Sorry, psych major.
8bashful 1 month ago
@8bashful That's really interesting!
aglanceatmyworld 1 month ago
I would try and describe it like a graph. Like how we can explain the third dimension by drawing and XYZ graph: colour could be the same- a sliding scale of black to white but with a third dimension.
Fkdls 1 month ago
The thing about using temperature is that we only relate those colours to temperatures because that's the colours things like fire go
TheSuperSheeep 1 month ago
Why do we drive on parkways and park in driveways??
osbournesnut 1 month ago
What you said about monitors and WoW is a literary theory by Henry James called the house of fiction that he puts forward in the preface to the 1908 edition of The Portrait of a Lady- he basically says that we're all looking through a different window of the same house and so get a subtly different view of what's outside.
Pixiesoapbox 1 month ago
If you were stranded on an island and you could only bring one person and one kind of food, who and what would you bring and why? (the food will last forever)
Kaloxus 1 month ago
I want John and Hank to answer this question.
iamacatspy 1 month ago 163
In Scotland we spell it colour... :D
LongHairAndGlasses 1 month ago
i dont think that would work, cause we only associate colours with smells and temperature because we have seen colours compared to the other stuff - if they had never had seen colours then they have never had that association. and my question is- if you eat yourself is it cannibalism?
Aeryn7Sun 1 month ago
I would describe the shape of the object if I could. Or touch or smell as you guys said.
smileyluv 1 month ago
I think when it comes to the question you asked about M&Ms and not having color anymore, that in that world of shades of grey, they would use patterns a lot more. They would play with textures and patterns because those still exist without color.
MicahsMommi 1 month ago
They would have to change ALL the traffic lights...
nathifantin 1 month ago
That is a really hard question to answer! :/
picoverload 1 month ago
I doesn't help that the colour pink doesn't actually exist (there's no pink in the colour spectrum/rainbow). It's more like the absence of green
rossexton 1 month ago
The problem is the reason why you would say bubblegum for pink is because bubblegum IS pink. That smell or taste still doesn't necessarily mean that it represents the colour that it is. We also see colours differently and connect different things with colours etc. : ) Interesting though!
chocolaterockz 1 month ago
I'd just explain each shade of every object has a colour.
TheFriendlySpazzle 1 month ago
We had to do this for philosophy! In the discussion of materialism vs. dualism. It was in favour of dualism because experiencing a colour isn't in your brain; i.e. if you scan the brain you couldn't find a code for the experience of a colour. Idk if this makes sense, I might be explaining it badly, but it's really interesting!
StargirllLauren 1 month ago
How would you explain time travel without any paradoxes....GO!
Megabanana24 1 month ago
This is how you make interesting second channel vlogs, YouTube. Take notice.
I can't even begin to try and answer this question but I enjoy listening to other people have the discussion for me lol.
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maangoding 1 month ago
I guess I would try to talk in terms of brightness and intensity and such. Which I know wouldn't completely make sense to a blind person either, but those concepts seem easier to grasp and would work as kind of a stepping stone to understanding color.
karenlikesyou 1 month ago
you should read or buy 'The Black Book of Colors' it is a braille book, but it also has writing. it defines a few colors, from the option of small childern. its touchs the same topic
gilliemillie 1 month ago
I would use texture to help explain color. I also love how things feel to the touch. It seem as it would be a color to me. Just my POV tho.
remedywithin 1 month ago
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What do you think of Antinatalism?
land9631 1 month ago
I can't really see how you could explain colors to someone who has never seen them. I mean, you can explain that you see more variation than black-white, and that some many things don't look black, white, or gray at all, but I don't think you can explain it so that people would really understand it.
Colors are what they are because of how we perceive them. And if you can't perceive it at all....
nicciweasley 1 month ago
@nicciweasley CONTINUED...: It's like trying to understand how a beetle thinks and feels... We can't!
We can only know how WE would feel in the beetles position. But we cannot possible know how the beetle perceives and processes information...
Know what I mean??
nicciweasley 1 month ago
I liked the temperature thing, but I would also of associated emotions and feelings with different colors... Like how Blue is sadness and Red is anger or pain or anguish, etc.
PresidentTexar 1 month ago
i like the idea of temperature, feeling, and taste coming together for it but i think you went off on a tangent a little from when you got there. like cool, water, and a blue slushie could be representative of blue
envoy2500 1 month ago
@tessabeads that was just what I was about to say. It sounded reasonable at first but then I thought about it and it wouldn't work...
skitzyskitzo 1 month ago
What's the name of the Doctor?
dieskie2479 1 month ago
The whole "Well, we're both seeing pink, but what if her pink looks like my green" thing has been something I've always wondered about.
ZoraMalfoy 1 month ago
The problem would be that if people never saw colour they don't have the association between pink and bubblegum. Your system makes perfect sense to people who saw colours at some point in their lives but not to someone who never saw colours.
tessabeads 1 month ago
question of the universe: if you were to die today, where would you think you would go?
TheLovelyMarisa 1 month ago
you were kind of talking about synesthesia, which is the mixing of the senses. so it manifests as when someone senses something(like they see that pink slipper) another sense would be fired(so they might also smell bubblegum). it is very fun to think about in the same way that you were talking about.
itssmoshins 1 month ago
stay of the drugs ladies
sweetypie000 1 month ago
Well, color is entirely subjective, what I describe as a rose pink could look like a pale pink to you, based on how you see things. Like how things appear to be different colors in different lighting even though the actual object is unchanged. I've actually debated the color of things with friends before, because their from the west and I'm from the east so the lighting we see color in is different so the way we see the color is different.
ACEBennet 1 month ago
Its always blown my mind, that what if to me, colours looked normal, but every one saw colours differently, so to 1 person he would see his orange as my blue, but another persons orange would be my green. They would describe it as prange so we would neve know if they see it differently
33niewiem33 1 month ago
It's hard o explain but I think I'd say that it's different reflections of light. Some are brighter and some are darker and they all show up at different levels of brightness depending on how much light is there.
ISwishAndFlick 1 month ago
great video Kristina, that's a great question and to be honest I'm not sure!
nukemz 1 month ago
I'm fairly sure I don't have my facts right, I forgot what an atom looks like, but if an atom is a ball and a stick, and planets are balls, is the universe just a few atoms making up, I don't know, a chair?
CCDizzles 1 month ago
I would associate colors with personalities. Like Kristina has a personality that's spring green, a really yellow color and Liz's is more of a mountain purple, more subdued. Also, I'd try to use emotions to connect to colors like red=angry, yellow=happy, and blue=sad.
MoFanz 1 month ago
I know a lot of blind people because I train guide dogs for the blind and I have literally spent long periods of time explaining to a girl how colors work. I used a lot of description words and such. It is really different for each blind person though. Those who have been blind there whole life say that when they picture something they hear the words floating about the shapes I draw on there hand. I will explain more if you want me to but I feel like I am kind of rambling... Maybe at the job hu
filibusterfirework74 1 month ago
I love Liz more than many, many things.
MoFanz 1 month ago
also advertising would stop if colours was gone then all packaging wouldn't be colourful what would they do have it bumpy
MultiHiphen 1 month ago
Have you read much about people with synaesthesia? That's where your brain jumbles your senses and you see sounds, hear smells etc. It's amazing stuff.
VicMorrowsGhost 1 month ago
Liz's internet hugs are the best
MultiHiphen 1 month ago
Liz's internet hugs are the best
MultiHiphen 1 month ago
Liz's internet hugs are the best
MultiHiphen 1 month ago
These are the questions I think about every day ( literally about color).
evolvingboard 1 month ago
is your show coming out on youtube or does it have its on a website?
andresmunoz123campos 1 month ago
I think I'd go along with your "color package" theory but also attach emotion to each color. So pink is joy or happiness and green (depending on the shade) would be serenity or jealousy.
corinnedrew 1 month ago
one cannot explain color, it's not logically possible..
mewpie85 1 month ago
This reminds me o "The Giver" by Lois Lowry and I have a question: What would life be like without senses?
Squirrelygirl98 1 month ago
Something I always find interesting is how when I watch black and white show like I Love Lucy, I don't seems to miss technicolor. In fact, it seems like when I remember a scene my mind has provided color to the setting and wardrobe.
I do, however, wonder how people back then thought about color when they watched these programs, and if it's different than how we, who have seen TV in color, perceive old black and white TV shows. (Probably yeah, because of the color pixels.)
dannerzme 1 month ago
Well for one i'd spell it Colour.
ActuallyLiam 1 month ago
this is what happens when you let women out of the kitchen..
KillaNinja0 1 month ago
gray rainbows? OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Chrissythespecialone 1 month ago
it's so difficult. because even like the bubblegum smell is associated with pink because we already have in our minds that it is pink, the product is pink so we think of pink when we smell it.
kitkatqueen 1 month ago
I think that if I were the last person to see color, then by that time everyone else would have acquired the ability to differentiate between lighter and darker grays. So I'd probably be like, blue is to slate, as green is to timberwolf or something like that.
Question: If we see slightly different, do our other sense differ as well?
dannerzme 1 month ago
@dannerzme well i mean, everyone has different tastes they like and different pain tolerances and skin sensitivity and stuff like that so really everyone's senses are different.
stopnsmelltheroses 1 month ago
@stopnsmelltheroses true. thanks! :)
dannerzme 1 month ago
I'd probably say that its like texture, but visual instead of tactual. or something.
rainbowbubblesXD 1 month ago
It's a really hard question, but I would probably tell people to think of green as nuture and calming, and yellow as sunshiney and warm, and blue as cold and icy, andstuff like that.
bananamawn 1 month ago
I'd have to say in terms of brightness, like pink is like grey but brighter and warmer, blue is cooler. It's really a hard thing to explain, like explaining sound to a deaf person.
isabelrae 1 month ago 29
@isabelrae If people didn't understand colour, would they understand the difference between bright and dark?
Pixiesoapbox 1 month ago
@Pixiesoapbox I think they might, because grey can be bright and dark in different ways. So, just like say how it's bright but in a different way, I guess. It would help them understand a bit more, but not fully.
isabelrae 1 month ago
@isabelrae I feel like it would be easier to explain sound to a deaf person, because they can feel vibrations. I remember there being a special on some show about showing kids what it's like by teaching them to play drums.
dmt543nerd 1 month ago
@dmt543nerd True, but it would still be difficult. And knowing how to play drums is a lot different than knowing what they sound like, because you could never understand really how sound worked without hearing, nor colour without seeing. You can give a person an idea of what it's like but they will never know it like other people.
isabelrae 1 month ago
*forward!
amyevekeegan 1 month ago
Hahhaha, Kristina and Liz; Vlogging Philosophers.:) That's such a complicated question! I think you came up with pretty good answers, anyhow. Good video, I look foward to seeing more like this :).
amyevekeegan 1 month ago
I think with the smell correlation thing you'd have to go with something isn't the actual color you're associating. We associate bubble gum with pink because it already is pink, so I think you'd have to choose a smell that reflects the feeling the color gives.
hotpinkelephant11 1 month ago
@hotpinkelephant11 but that is the point, we think pink with bubblegum because it is already pink, but in our minds that is how it is we develop that smell and taste and everything with pink; so you still would describe it as that. Like when i think of cool and calm and such i think of blue. So i could tell someone that the ocean is blue, it gives you that calm feeling and has that breeze, so essentially blue is the calm and breeze. yah know? just my thoughts.
soccerskier1894 1 month ago
your discussion reminds me of a book I read years ago called 'The Memory Keeper'(I think) where one boy can see color, but no one else in his world can and they think he is crazy.
thecindylorraine 1 month ago
@thecindylorraine I think the book is actually 'The Giver'... maybe... I'm not good with titles, just content...lol
thecindylorraine 1 month ago
But, if you said spearmint. We've associated the colour with the object. And something is "cool" coloured because that's what we've been told. If you try and explain cold and warm colours to someone who has never been able to see colour, that colour by association of foods/objects wouldn't work....If they have never been able to see it, you can't compare it with anything therefore it would essentially be impossible.
kelseyhm 1 month ago
Would be be
Earth pony, pegasus or unicorn?
Any why?
zero1343 1 month ago
What I always thought is really interesting is the way that we're taught color. We're shown a color and told this is green. So we associate that color with that name. But what if the swatch that we call green looks a certain color to me (lets say green) and a completely different color to you (for instance purple). But from childhood we have both learned to call that color green. So who knows, what we actually see
GoodmorningWalle 1 month ago
@GoodmorningWalle dude! i've always wondered that!! i think it's quite possible that that is how it is, and that's just amazing.
19ladybug95 1 month ago
I think that if you were the last person who could see colour, that you should just give up on trying to explain it to people. They would have lived their lives not seeing the colour and so would not know what to compare it to. I agree with a commenter before me, you should read the Giver. Instead of just colour, it deals with everyday life experiences that the rest of the people don't have and what it's like to be the only one who knows.
I read the book 4 years ago and I still think about it.
rashayley 1 month ago
I would only know the differences via wavelengths and absorptions. Other than that, it would all be in shades of grey.
chemistryflavored 1 month ago
How would you describe emotion to a robot? Holla to Data! Star Trek nerd in the comments!
Ijustsawahippogriff 1 month ago
The only thibg i can cone up with is, if someone has never seen colour before, then it can't be explained to them. You can describe what the colour represents e.g warmth, but you can't actually describe the colour to them.
Jessiieee23 1 month ago
No more food coloring...
iAlexis3 1 month ago
this question is so frusterating
iAlexis3 1 month ago
Have you ever read The Giver?? It deals with this issue a lot!
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