Government is a monopoly. And public healthcare doesn't work. I know first hand!! Creates shortages, price rises and general chaos. Free market is best WITHOUT government intrusion as in the USA. Everyone would be better off. Welfare is morally wrong. Creates more problems than it seeks to solves. Good intentions are not enough. Peace
Health care is not a right. For one there is no such thing as a right. Also, you cannot wish more doctors, medical research, and advanced machines into existentence by declaring it a right. People in medieval France could declare healthcare a right when they got extremely sick but they would not get the tech.
Well put. To take it even further, you could say that none of us as a "right" or entitlement to anything except our own freedom. When you say someone is entitled to something that depends on OTHER people (e.g. doctors, pharmaceuticals, etc.), you are saying that you have a partial claim on those other people's lives/liberty/property. They MUST provide a product/service, at the price the government sets, at the point of government guns.
Nice!...flip health care around...that would mean the government can't infringe on your right to seek health care. That is, the GOVERNMENT shall not INFRINGE on your right to get care, not provide the care.
I would be fine with, "the rights of the citizenry to seek health care shall not be infringed".
Government does not provide rights. Such as life...The government doesn't provide life. Rights are unalienable. They are inherit with the people and do not spring forth from a government office. Rights come "stock" with the person just like blood flesh and bone. At lest thats the way I see it. Rights arn't rights if they can be taken from you. If they can then they are privileges and not rights at all.
@whippoorwillss "Rights" are a man-made concept, a societal agreement of what we decide to let each other do. You have American rights because you live in the United States, and have agreed to not disturb anyone else's rights, and the government has not deemed your access to rights dangerous.
Fleshborn rights? : African Americans before 1964, Japanese Americans in WW2, Homosexuals in the present day, Women (don't know the year), Immigrant Americans in early Americas,
@whippoorwillss (cont)....even if you are born somehow with rights, who bestows them upon you, and then protects them against anything? He hasn't been doing a good job....
@cjjc0 who bestows them upon you? thats an age old question, I'd think they came from the same place we get bones, hearts and dreams. As for protecting them goes that job fall to ourselfs, the same as with getting food, closes or happyness.
@whippoorwillss But, you get your bones, heart, and dreams mostly from your parents and secondarily from the culture that surrounds you. If that's true, doesn't that mean the culture as a whole can decide to create new rights?
And if the job of protecting our rights is our own, why do we subscribe to police, or even a government? In America, we allow society to protect our rights in exchange for not infringing upon anyone else's rights.
I think switzerland gives their people free guns, ammo, and range time... But healthcare in the U.S.? I beleive we should have the right to affordable healthcare... I dont know about it being free though...
I'd like the right to affordable GOLD too. And I don't mean to be filp about it..but this idea of "making things affordable" translates into "price controling". To do that you have to take from others...ether their profits which drives them out of business or there property which is stealing. If you want health care prices to come down get 3rd partys out of the paying for health care loop.
Im sorry but I disagree... I am currently unemployed. I have 2 college degrees and ive applied everywhere i can think of... that being said even when I was working I would have had to pay a 3rd of my gross salary to get healthcare. not only that it wasnt even offered to me till after a year of working there. All I am saying is that if I get sick and there is a means for someone to help me but only the rich can afford it. wtf??? You must be rich yourself... or maybe mom and dad...
Government is a monopoly. And public healthcare doesn't work. I know first hand!! Creates shortages, price rises and general chaos. Free market is best WITHOUT government intrusion as in the USA. Everyone would be better off. Welfare is morally wrong. Creates more problems than it seeks to solves. Good intentions are not enough. Peace
cabgt 1 year ago
the government does provide arms, phukkin moron.
billydu2u 1 year ago
Great analogy about what a riht is.
larnem 1 year ago
Health care is not a right. For one there is no such thing as a right. Also, you cannot wish more doctors, medical research, and advanced machines into existentence by declaring it a right. People in medieval France could declare healthcare a right when they got extremely sick but they would not get the tech.
IndividualAutonomy 2 years ago
thats a good point.
oiuoiu988 2 years ago
@whippoorwillss:
Seriously, what is a right? Can you somehow demonstrate its existence?
PanzerDivisionBOM 2 years ago
Well put. To take it even further, you could say that none of us as a "right" or entitlement to anything except our own freedom. When you say someone is entitled to something that depends on OTHER people (e.g. doctors, pharmaceuticals, etc.), you are saying that you have a partial claim on those other people's lives/liberty/property. They MUST provide a product/service, at the price the government sets, at the point of government guns.
mihaiguy 2 years ago
none of us *has
mihaiguy 2 years ago
good one!
search4robfen 2 years ago
Nice!...flip health care around...that would mean the government can't infringe on your right to seek health care. That is, the GOVERNMENT shall not INFRINGE on your right to get care, not provide the care.
I would be fine with, "the rights of the citizenry to seek health care shall not be infringed".
haggsbo 2 years ago
Government does not provide rights. Such as life...The government doesn't provide life. Rights are unalienable. They are inherit with the people and do not spring forth from a government office. Rights come "stock" with the person just like blood flesh and bone. At lest thats the way I see it. Rights arn't rights if they can be taken from you. If they can then they are privileges and not rights at all.
whippoorwillss 2 years ago
ditto that
haggsbo 2 years ago
@whippoorwillss "Rights" are a man-made concept, a societal agreement of what we decide to let each other do. You have American rights because you live in the United States, and have agreed to not disturb anyone else's rights, and the government has not deemed your access to rights dangerous.
Fleshborn rights? : African Americans before 1964, Japanese Americans in WW2, Homosexuals in the present day, Women (don't know the year), Immigrant Americans in early Americas,
cjjc0 1 year ago
@whippoorwillss (cont)....even if you are born somehow with rights, who bestows them upon you, and then protects them against anything? He hasn't been doing a good job....
cjjc0 1 year ago
@cjjc0 who bestows them upon you? thats an age old question, I'd think they came from the same place we get bones, hearts and dreams. As for protecting them goes that job fall to ourselfs, the same as with getting food, closes or happyness.
whippoorwillss 1 year ago
@whippoorwillss But, you get your bones, heart, and dreams mostly from your parents and secondarily from the culture that surrounds you. If that's true, doesn't that mean the culture as a whole can decide to create new rights?
And if the job of protecting our rights is our own, why do we subscribe to police, or even a government? In America, we allow society to protect our rights in exchange for not infringing upon anyone else's rights.
cjjc0 1 year ago
Who is going to Pay???
horsehorsehorse400 2 years ago
those rich people..err.. those poor people..err.. the guy down the block. ANY ONE BUT ME :-)
whippoorwillss 2 years ago
Brilliant analogy,
ixamxmsright 2 years ago
I think switzerland gives their people free guns, ammo, and range time... But healthcare in the U.S.? I beleive we should have the right to affordable healthcare... I dont know about it being free though...
RedWhiteandBetrayed 2 years ago
I'd like the right to affordable GOLD too. And I don't mean to be filp about it..but this idea of "making things affordable" translates into "price controling". To do that you have to take from others...ether their profits which drives them out of business or there property which is stealing. If you want health care prices to come down get 3rd partys out of the paying for health care loop.
whippoorwillss 2 years ago
Im sorry but I disagree... I am currently unemployed. I have 2 college degrees and ive applied everywhere i can think of... that being said even when I was working I would have had to pay a 3rd of my gross salary to get healthcare. not only that it wasnt even offered to me till after a year of working there. All I am saying is that if I get sick and there is a means for someone to help me but only the rich can afford it. wtf??? You must be rich yourself... or maybe mom and dad...
RedWhiteandBetrayed 2 years ago
Watch the video this one's a response to to find out why the current system (which is certainly not a free market) is so expensive.
mihaiguy 2 years ago
Do you have a right to an education?
GypsyHustled 2 years ago
do you have the right to life :-)
whippoorwillss 2 years ago
@whippoorwillss GOOD ONE!
horsehorsehorse400 2 years ago