I'm an atheist but I've undergone many varying mindsets, I find it amazing how I've changed so much in my views but I'm happy I arrived on most probably the right mindset now. I went atheist back in October. But I can understand the theistic mindset very well. I have aspergers syndrome and that is most probably the reason why back when I was a theist I sincerely believed I was in contact with god. & yes the illusion that Richard describes can seem very real bt its only in the head.
I am one of those "middle of the road" people. I was raised Catholic but have had doubts for a long time. I was afraid to admit there was no god. I wanted deeply for there to be a god. Then I read your book. Now I rejoice in knowing the truth.
there is nothing wrong with a disbelief in God. AGREED. I had a disbelief in the God of the Holy Bible and I was corrected BEYOND DOUBT and with odds of it being by 'chance' being uncalculable. check my videos PREDESTINY VS. DESTENI for the EVIDENCE. truth is truth and the truth will stand.
@TheSmallparrot Everything you see in everyday is proof of science, science created computers which let you post your idiotic comment, pyscology tells us what motivated you to post your stupid comment science is the reason this video exists as it was science that made cameras. Science is merely human attempts to understand the world through the scientific method. And science created the machine that made that dictionary I read that definition from. Science - 1000000000000000000000000000 you- ni
There are some really stupid stupid people posting stupid crap in this channel. It boggles the fucking mind! 1 guy saying "There's actually no real proof science exists" WOW. & another stupid ass (SpencerBenedict2nd) <--- really? OMGosh my brain hurts just trying to get my head around the stupidity of this persons words.his thought process is so fucking horrendous. When I read such garbage I feel so grateful that I am a free thinker.
I respect his brain, but I respect his drive to explain what is so blatantly obvious, there is no god. I just laugh to myself about people who believe in the bible etc....
@orbital92hotmail you know I don't know what the fuck your issue is what what I ever posted in this channel. No where did I say I like sex with same sex. my first post i was talking about how the pope is more concerned about homosexuality than the horrendous pedophile problem, and their fucking cover up of it. fucking priest and their raping of children is beyond sickening and no one ever points that out. BUT I DID! & U want to start shit over that? You are a complete & utter dumb ass.
"Love of human fellowship, love of nature, love of art, love of the world, love of life, love of science, love of children, love of music." I would just like to thank Professor Dawkins for being a living example of Romans 1:25.
@smallparrot your words - "There's actually no real proof science exists either - sorry Dawkins 1 - nil" say what? did you read that in some propaganda passed out by the church on how to win an argument with an atheist? if there is no proof that science exists, please throw your phone out, throw your tv out, don't drive your car again (it doesn't exist) and throw out every thing science brings to you....now gimmee the lame excuse "god makes science possible"
its annoying when people bring up that it gives people comfort who cares does not change if its true or not. If i wanted to beileve i was born a dog and it gives me comfort does not make me a dog.
@TheSmallparrot you wrote:There's actually no real proof science exists either - sorry Dawkins 1 - nil) well let me tell you this & I hope U can understand it, science created the very computer you posted your moronic statement with. have you had your vaccines yet? if yes then science created that also. everything you do pretty much was created with the help of logic, reason, and peer review, ALL THAT IS SCIENCE!
There are so many things in this world we should be objecting to: Israel's genocide of the Palestinians, Obomba's mass murder in the wars he's waging all over the world, the destruction of America's economy by corporate greed, and of course world hunger, which will end the day we stop spending trillions of dollars on war.
But religion -- beautiful religion -- why waste your precious time and energy fighting against that?
We must choose our battles carefully. Choose love! It's worth living for.
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
@dillinger9999 I'm a bit different. I find homosexuality discusting and now that the government has approved them adopting children, well I find that deeply troubling. But gays are natural and have their place, just not raising children.
@orbital92hotmail i find having sex with the same sex gross too, MOST PEOPLE DO. that's not unusual! and you wanna talk about people who don't need to be kids, there are more straight people who fit that category. & U find the fact that gay people can raise children is troubling is your problem, & U need to really look at that. the world is more that what you think it is.
@dillinger9999 you're a hypocrite, you find their sex gross, but you then think its my issue that I think they're not fit to raise children. You are a silly little man who would be better off not joining in as you clearly cannot keep up with the conversation.
@orbital92hotmail yes that is your problem, there is nothing strange about that! or that i find having sex with the same sex is icky also, THAT'S FUCKING NORMAL ASSHAT! & i never said I find their sex gross! you need to read my post clearly. & if you have a problem with something it's always the issue of the person who has the fucking problem. like if I feel that I don't like your hair color then that's my god damn problem RIGHT! You are really mixed up, and you need therapy.
@orbital92hotmail you have no idea what you are talking about! you are a fucking fascist religious stupid bigot. I can out argue YOU any fucking day you little stupid pathetic piece of religious garbage!
@Daedae333 ur pretty much ATHIEST if you realize we're just another species on another planet in another solar system out of billions of solar systems and galaxies, and came out through the progress of evolution (21st century common sense) and not from a God that poofed us onto this planet, you have a real perspective on the world and life and you are an athiest.
@Daedae333 I haven't been in your discussion, I haven't said I believed in anything, assuming my point of view makes you the stupid fucking idiot. Maybe you wouldn't wind up in arguments online if you weren't such a tool. If you understood what agnosticism was you wouldn't be talking about hell at all.
@Daedae333 its quite a pity but they won't.. because when they die, believing that they're going to be "saved", they will just stop thinking at some point, so there's no time to realize that there's no heaven. :(
the idea is that god can t be know or understood or met is untrue. i ve met christ, i ve talked to christ, he to me...i ve experienced christ...this fellow is false.
@dhide14 Hitler's dead, moron, so I don't know how that would work. Also, I would see a psychiatrist if I were you, because that's a fucked-up fetish to have.
Maybe what we call god is really a consciousness that came to being as we did and this universe is its earth because it is such a high form of "spirit" and so there are many "gods" but to say jesus or whomever you believe is the only son of god is contradictory because we would all be the son of god maybe he was a dude who came from higher evolved beings so he had a higher form of consciousness that seemed god like and the word god also means people from the sky. So yea.
none of the sciences dawkins draws his conclusions from have been observed or tested. its all imigination. just because he has scientific sounding names attached to his atheist being has no bearing on it's truth claims. dawkins beliefs are based on faith. faith is the cornerstone of religion. he is living a lie and atheism is a poor religion
@Spirifiume yes. science has evidence and testability. however mr dawkins is not taling about anything thats observable, has, evidence, or is testable.
@talons2112 :Yes, that the universe contains a god is not observable, nor has it evidence or is testable. Faith is contrary to science, that is in a nutshell the tendency of mr Dawkins' talk.
@Spirifiume there is plenty of evidence for God, one could start with dna, the coding language he uses to create life with. faith is contrary to science and what mr dawkins is presenting is not science.
@Spirifiume dna is a programing lang. much like c, c++, unix, etc... life and the dna that describes that lifeform could not have spontaniously appeared all by itself billions of years ago from it rainng on rocks(and where did all the water come from anyh?) evn if we take a strile environment introdce the sme theorized primordial conditions introduce an amoeba, poke it so its cells are all in everything for life is in that env but life will still not generate. it should be repeatable but its not
@Spirifiume if we are to believe chemical evolution is valid then why cant something stumble out of a junkyard? if biological evolution is valid then why dont we see very first proteins coming into existence all the time? why is is we only see mutations that negatively affect the life forms ability to survive? if we are to believe cosmological evolution is true why is it we have only observed stars dying and none birthing? why do some objects in space spin in opposite direction?
@Spirifiume these defy the laws of angular momentum and newtons law of decay. not long ago we sent out voyager with a recording of examples of life on earth and some math to show we are intelligent to whomever should find it but the whole of our natural surroundings screams back in such complexity our greatest minds just touch the bounds of. that is evidence of a creator with ultimate power.
@Spirifiume when we see a watch, car, house, robot we know it took a designer. when we see a person which has many systems far more complex than a robot, has a coding language for its design a designer would also be a natural assumption.
@talons2112 : Watches, cars and robots are designed. A mountain or a human being is not designed, they are natural phenomena. Is a lake or a planet created by a god ? Of course not. Perhaps they LOOK designed to you, but they are not. That is why your argument is irrelevant.
@Spirifiume a human is far more complex than a big rock with far more independant systems than a watch or a robot which denote a creator. the analogy you made comparing a human with a rock is not analogous at all. nor have we seen a planet or a star form. cosmological evolution has yet to have any evidence based on observation either
@talons2112 : We have already observed stars forming and how solar system came into being we have a very good hypothesis. Most important, there is no god involved in the process.
We don't need a god for the gaps in our knowledge, we need scientific research.
@Spirifiume we have never observed a star form and a hypothesis is just that its not a theory and most often is a long way from fact. furthermore a hypothesis has to be testable and scientists put forth hypothesis on previous observations that cannot be explained with scientific evidence. you can start one out like this... What if..?
@talons2112 : The birth time of stars vary from 10,000 years (massive) to millions of years (Sun size), so you are right, we never saw the complete process, but we are currently observing a variety of objects at various stages in the birthing process; mainly by IR technology.
You are also right that a hypothese isn't a theory; scientist are learning from new evidence and adjusting their hypotheses or, when needed, discart them altogether and start a new one. Only religious dogmas are inflexible.
Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
to me it's not really about proof, it's about sheer logic and rationale. i guess i'll call myself an agnostic because i have no idea what created everything and neither does anyone else. it's that simple. there is absolutely no way you can know.
"Love of human fellowship, love of nature, love of art, love of the world, love of life, love of science, love of children, love of music." so powerful. so true.
"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their evolution agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
How is believing that the world came out of nothing, and was a random chance, more rational than believing that God created it? Nothing finite can bring itself to existence. Therefore, something infinite, God, created all things. Atheists cannot claim anything to be right or wrong because according to them, we were an accident. Humans were no accident....we are all part of God's divine plan.
Paraphrased: "I would believe it even if I weren't comfortable with it". When you feel this way, you'll know you've reached reality. Living in delusion is like living constantly stoned. You're never REALLY fulfilled, never REALLY sated. Kind of in a fog. The vast majority of people don't know what that feels like. I feel bad for them, genuinely, however much I dislike their willful ignorance. I wouldn't wish such dissatisfaction as that which comes with religion on my worst enemy.
Atheists cannot prove that god does not exist!! The bible is all the proof we need!!It is concrete! And it has been around for hundreds of thousands of years! Atheism is wrong in every way!
@RealTightPussy Yes as it says in the first chapter of Romans,'professing themselves to be wise they became fools"science should prove God ,but they try to hide proof of God instead which makes them dishonest!
@majorl311 Who the hell would try to "hide" proof of god, dumbass? If someone discovered evidence that your god is real, they would know that they're going to burn in hell for eternity if they tried to hide it, so what would it accomplish for them exactly? Fucking stupid.
@RealTightPussy The burden of proof is on the Theist. Atheists don't HAVE to prove god does not exist because we did not announce the claim that a god exists in the first place. It's up to the Theist to PROVE that a god exists. Atheists have no reason to believe in a god if there is no evidence of it's existence. If a god exists, then prove it. Provide reasonable and analyzable evidence. If you cannot, then Atheists have no reason to believe a god exists. And a book is not proof.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Neither is dawkins book proof that god does not exist if you use your logic. But you seem to believe his presuppositions without question.
@dogooda12 I never read his books, nor do I cling to a belief of a book. And I do in fact question the beliefs of others, be it theistic beliefs or atheistic beliefs. Before being an Atheist I wondered if there really were deities out there. I investigated for many years and came to a conclusion. I do not believe in any deities because I found no evidence of their existence. I acted for myself, I did not follow another. Good day sir/ma'am.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Good on for not reading his book. I thought that logically if you were to pick a world view you would've picked theism because it makes more sense. With all the investigating that you had done how could you not believe in God the evidence is all around you. I think for many atheists the decision to become one is an emotional choice not one based on "evidence". I do not believe in deities either because there is only one God that is, the God of the Bible.
@dogooda12 The reason I don't believe in god is because I did research. I've looked at videos on creationism and evolution, among other things. I've looked at Bible verses and their contradictions. People only believe a deity makes more sense because they're too lazy to investigate for themselves, nor try to accept the evidence provided. I've spoken to many Atheists that were once Christians and a majority of them said that the more they investigated, the less they believed in god or the Bible.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams I think those who claim to be Christians and then researched only to discover that God did not exist were never Christians in the first place. Based on their own presuppositions, this is brought what them to that position. My friend God has revealed himself to everyone so everyone is without excuse. So I'm not going to try and convince someone that God exists because everyone knows he does. I am a Christian because it is true. How do atheist justify their world view?
@dogooda12 How do you justify yours? Not only are you claiming judgement on people you don't know but you're insisting god exists without substantial proof to back it up. Typical theist argument to redirect to the justification of atheism rather than face the information for yourself. I'm done here.
The Bible. I appeal to ultimacy:the God of Christianity. I do not claim to know everything but I appeal to the one who does know everything. How do you justify or account for knowledge? what is your ultimate source of authority? Is it impossible for the God of theBible to exists? do you believe that an all knowing all powerful God could reveal Himself such that we could know him for certain? If you can answer this without appealing to your senses, memory or reasoning I would be very surprised.
@dogooda12 The reason I don't believe in god is because I did research. I've looked at videos on creationism and evolution, among other things. I've looked at Bible verses and their contradictions. People only believe a deity makes more sense because they're too lazy to investigate for themselves, nor try to accept the evidence provided. I've spoken to many Atheists that were once Christians and a majority of them said that the more they investigated, the less they believed in god or the Bible.
@dogooda12 I don't want to force this upon you or try to convert you. But look at videos from shockofgod and jezuzfreek777 about creationism. Them look at the videos from TheAmazingAtheist, CultOfDusty, and BionicDance. These are the more popular channels, but there are a lot more. After viewing each perspective make a decision for yourself.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams The claim that God does not exist is no different than the claim that God does exist, except for the fact that there is evidence that God exists and there is no evidence whatsoever that the universe can spontaneously generate itself into being. Richard Dawkins is a fucking moron to the extreme.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Boy you really have been arguing with the kiddies. The universe is finely tuned by about 20 physical constants that if altered within a certain slight degree would cause atoms and galaxies to fly apart, there goes a universe by pure chance, that's a bullshit argument. Oh, and a universe from nothing, not only does this violate the laws of thermodynamics but it also has zero evidence to back it up.
@budoghost1 What is the first law of thermodynamics? And why did you skip one in school and go straight for the second? Also, what is the the life/matter of universe ratio?
@JubaJubaJubbaJams First law of thermodynamics: A change in the internal energy of a closed thermodynamic system is equal to the difference between the heat supplied to the system and the amount of work done by the system on its surroundings.
As far as the "life/matter ratio" if you are speaking of organic constituents the universe is made up of about 5% organic matter. In any case what thermodynamics shows us is that you cannot create energy from nothing, it has to come from somewhere, That means there is no product of zero that can attain a value greater than such. In any case, the amount of organic matter in the universe has no relation to this discussion.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams The creative agency of our universe doesn't have to follow the rules of our own, this includes causality. While this makes your god a plausable idea (as well as every god ever conceived), it's no more strongly supported than our universe was created by a milkshake bottle filled with raisens and rainbows.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams That's bullshit, the fact that the universe did not manifest itself yields the conclusion that something is responsible, further the universe is finely tuned and if off by a certain degree would cease to exist. Just because we can't define the terms of how the universe came into being doen't mean you can attribute it to rainbows and milkshakes. Let's see the model, your milkshake universe. Constants, laws, and constituents please.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams I'll throw you one better, tell me what happens at the quantum level when there is a large amount of mass involved and you can't just ignore gravity in your equations anymore. I'll answer it for you since you're a dumbass, the calculator jams. Using quantum mechanics to describe the entire universe is a fail, a miserable fail. You show how little you know.
@budoghost1 A normal map does not represent the polar area well, that's why when making a 2D map about the 3D earth, we need multiple maps with overlapping coverage. Same with scientific theories that describe the universe that we live in. We also need multiple overlapping theories to achieve ToE. And QM is a very important one. Using QM to describe physical phenomena is very relavant and not the least dumb ass, or else Feynman and every nobel physicists in the past 80 years are dumb asses.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Quantum Mechanics is part of the arguement but it does not explain the entire universe, in fact it contradicts general relativity, the other dominant theory in science. These two theories in contradiction are an embarrassment, and obviously you realize nothing of unification if you think quantum mechanics explains everything. Let's not even consider that it ignores gravity. lol
@budoghost1 Fine tuning fallacy stands on 2 priories: 1. Assuming it can be tuned. 2. Assuming changing one will not affect the others. Neither have evidence to support it. Also it could be thor who did it, the fallacy does not point to any personal gods.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams The universe cannot fine tune itself and any major deviation would make the universe impossible. You are ignoring the facts for your atheist beliefs.
@budoghost1 Another priori without evidence. Why cant the universe "fine tune" itself? It's another sad attempt at "first cause" argument. So why does it have to be god? Why cant we call the fine tuner bullshit? Since I've seen bullshit and it's real, also it is a lot more fine-tuned for food than the universe is fine tuned for life.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams The universe had a beginning, thus it has not always been. The notion that the universe somehow manifested itself and then fine tuned itself so precisely that the system works the way it does is idiotic. You're just throwing out what if's, and I don't give a shit about your what if questions, I only care about what is.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams You've missed the point. It doesn't matter how it's tuned, any potential tune could have created some kind of intellegence or model of creation we're not familiar with because it happens to be tuned this way. It's like the argument from complexity. It's a subjective term. There might be a way to engineer a reality that allows for greater complexity or worse complexity, it only seems complex to us because we're very small and are only used to things roughly on our scale.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams No it has nothing to do with that, if the constants were out of line by a fucking hair the universe would cease to exist. Brick wall I swear.
@budoghost1 If you want a better explanation. Causality is a facet of Space-time, and as relativity teaches us they are entwined. If the Big bang (or whatever created the Universe) created space, then it also created time. So to say something must be outside or before the universe is techincally illogical, as there is no space or time for it to operate in.
@budoghost1 Until we find some way to interact with whatever hypothetical realoty spawned our own, we have no reason to attribute it with any of the facets of our own Universe. No good reason to impose our rules of space, time, causality etc, let alone intellegence, personality etc.
@budoghost1 You're cherry picking, the universe would cease to exist as we know it, and nothing as we know them would happen. There's nothing to say a different kind of reality we're completely unused to couldn't appear.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Ok let me define what I mean by cease to exist, atoms and galaxies would fly apart, space would collapse, and time would curve back on itself. There is no possibility that the universe could somehow be different, and I didn't cherry pick it, God did. It's in the fine print of physics if you bother to really look, most people don't.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams There may be other ways to make a universe, but they would have to be profoundly different from ours, that's what you're missing. A minor deviation in the laws and constants of physics doesn't equal a slightly different universe, it equals shit. End of line.
@budoghost1 How can god exist before the universe if not in some other kind of reality? And keep in mind that reality must have different rules to ours to allow something that always exists and is all powerful. Broken causality straight away.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams There is no causality paradox, the universe is a closed temporal system, there is no reference of time outside of it. God is a reality unto himself and is beyond all quantifications. This is the core of your misunderstanding and until you move beyond your limited self you will never understand.
@budoghost1 Your understanding of causality and the universe is either biased or outdated, either way it's flawed. Furthermore, your god idea is an untestable hypothesis, and thus bad science. Until you realize that you should stop trying to sound like you understand science. You should also look into quantum mechanics, specifically vacuum energy and the matter foam on the event horrizons of black holes before you says things can't spontaneously exist.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Vacuum energy is what causes space to expand, it is not nothing, it is quantifiable. Further I have a better understanding of quantum mechanics than you will ever have. As for black holes, they may exist, may not, but they don't spring up out of shit. If relativity is right (and now they're starting to doubt that because neutrinos travel faster than light) it takes a massive star to make a black hole, not nothing.
@budoghost1 “The universe is finely tuned and the fact that not just any reality will do indicates intelligent design.”
False claims, still no evidence or mechanism or predictions for "fine tuning". 2. Intelligent design is religion, also just a cheap appeal to magic. Also, complexity does not necessitate design.
“Further I have a better understanding of quantum mechanics than you will ever have.”
I see no evidence of that. Where were you trained?
@JubaJubaJubbaJams It really sucks when I have to just repeat myself. The universe is fine tuned by about 20 physical constants that cannot be altered within a certain slight degree or else atoms and galaxies would fly apart. Further, I am not supporting the theory of intelligent design, I am backing the scientific principle that the universe is no accident. Oh you know what? Blah blah blah is just as good to you, fucking moron.
@budoghost1 Saying God doesn't require the same critique is special pleading, with no known mechanics of influencing our world, so by Occam's razor we can eliminate him.
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Oh so now the universe doesn't require precise mechanics but God does? Get the fuck out. It's like making a board game such as chess, the players in the field are bound by the rules of the game, but the player himself is not bound by those rules and can change the nature of the game. The fact that it has to be precisely engineered sites precedence, God doesn't do things just for kicks, there is always reason and law.
@budoghost1 Failed logic. We can provide a good workable falsifiable mechanism for the beginning of the universe. You cant produce any workable knowledge of sky daddy and how he "tuned" the universe. Also, you keep begging the question and assuming that it's "engineered" without evidence. What would the h0 be for this assumption?
@JubaJubaJubbaJams No we can't, when we turn back the clock to moments after the big bang the probabilties of an event become infinite. That is not possible, probability is 0 or 1, not infinity, that's nonsense. And we keep going in circles over this fine tuning thing. The universe is finely tuned and the fact that not just any reality will do indicates intelligent design. You're about as thick as steel in your skull I swear.
@budoghost1 You also need to study statistical thermodynamics. A piece of dog shit also has a near 0 probability of existing given how many different combination of molecules there are. Simply placing the first atom in the right place for 1 mol of shit is about 1/(10^23), and having all the shit molecules fall together is about 1/(10^23)!. Therefore, we should worship the dog that made this near improbable pile of shit.
@budoghost1 I find it hard to believe you actually have any kind of science training. When zero energy model is literally a model from nothing. Also, you’re still ignoring the fact that your sky daddy came out of nothing. Also, my question was specifically geared toward the quantum foam on event horizons, not black hole itself. If you cant answer the h0 question, you’re just a "wiki scientist", meaning reading stuff on wiki instead of proper science training.
@budoghost1 Basically you’re making the fine tuned argument without any evidence, just mere assertions. It's like saying ears and noses are designed to wear glasses.
I'm an atheist but I've undergone many varying mindsets, I find it amazing how I've changed so much in my views but I'm happy I arrived on most probably the right mindset now. I went atheist back in October. But I can understand the theistic mindset very well. I have aspergers syndrome and that is most probably the reason why back when I was a theist I sincerely believed I was in contact with god. & yes the illusion that Richard describes can seem very real bt its only in the head.
deanmullen10 4 weeks ago
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Professor Dawkins,
I am one of those "middle of the road" people. I was raised Catholic but have had doubts for a long time. I was afraid to admit there was no god. I wanted deeply for there to be a god. Then I read your book. Now I rejoice in knowing the truth.
Mr. Dawkins, thank you for saving my life.
mikemurphy383 1 month ago
Dawkins sucks donkey dick.
budoghost1 1 month ago
there is nothing wrong with a disbelief in God. AGREED. I had a disbelief in the God of the Holy Bible and I was corrected BEYOND DOUBT and with odds of it being by 'chance' being uncalculable. check my videos PREDESTINY VS. DESTENI for the EVIDENCE. truth is truth and the truth will stand.
DNAJ82 2 months ago
''God is a penis. That is all.'' - Me.
LordHillaryJoice 2 months ago
@TheSmallparrot Everything you see in everyday is proof of science, science created computers which let you post your idiotic comment, pyscology tells us what motivated you to post your stupid comment science is the reason this video exists as it was science that made cameras. Science is merely human attempts to understand the world through the scientific method. And science created the machine that made that dictionary I read that definition from. Science - 1000000000000000000000000000 you- ni
kyekire 2 months ago
"I don't believe we were put here to be comfortable."
Put here? Hmmmm...
Very interesting.
EliasCrowe 2 months ago
If the sincere Prayers of a Child
To God, cannot stop Sexual Abuse
At the hands of a "Man of God",
What Does that say about God?
dillinger9999 2 months ago
what a great interview
f50tube 2 months ago
God is an idea, not a fact. ~ Jim Rider
dillinger9999 2 months ago
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There are some really stupid stupid people posting stupid crap in this channel. It boggles the fucking mind! 1 guy saying "There's actually no real proof science exists" WOW. & another stupid ass (SpencerBenedict2nd) <--- really? OMGosh my brain hurts just trying to get my head around the stupidity of this persons words.his thought process is so fucking horrendous. When I read such garbage I feel so grateful that I am a free thinker.
dillinger9999 2 months ago
I respect his brain, but I respect his drive to explain what is so blatantly obvious, there is no god. I just laugh to myself about people who believe in the bible etc....
orbital92hotmail 2 months ago
@orbital92hotmail you know I don't know what the fuck your issue is what what I ever posted in this channel. No where did I say I like sex with same sex. my first post i was talking about how the pope is more concerned about homosexuality than the horrendous pedophile problem, and their fucking cover up of it. fucking priest and their raping of children is beyond sickening and no one ever points that out. BUT I DID! & U want to start shit over that? You are a complete & utter dumb ass.
dillinger9999 2 months ago
I like the way the interviewer lets him talk, you don't see that sort of thing here in the US.
MrJDylka 3 months ago
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aprilcify 3 months ago
@aprilcify Something cannot be both true and false at the same time, so yes, someone IS deluded and been played a fool.
mar504 3 months ago
Oh that last line was a killer "I don't think we're put here to be comfortable" . Shouldn't have said "put here".
sonicBlue00 3 months ago
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Watch this video and ask Attenborough,Dawkins ,Darwin , what makes this simple cell do what it does its amazing
Stem Cells .youtube.com/watch?v=cCTuiugo7mU
simonmathew615 3 months ago
"Love of human fellowship, love of nature, love of art, love of the world, love of life, love of science, love of children, love of music." I would just like to thank Professor Dawkins for being a living example of Romans 1:25.
TentPegWielder 4 months ago
ITS ALIENS! DEY CONTORELL DA GOUGH'V.
PudgumsWasHere 4 months ago
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@smallparrot your words - "There's actually no real proof science exists either - sorry Dawkins 1 - nil" say what? did you read that in some propaganda passed out by the church on how to win an argument with an atheist? if there is no proof that science exists, please throw your phone out, throw your tv out, don't drive your car again (it doesn't exist) and throw out every thing science brings to you....now gimmee the lame excuse "god makes science possible"
Peedoffhelveticaman 4 months ago
Is Paxman a Christian or what?
Freethinker12341 4 months ago
its annoying when people bring up that it gives people comfort who cares does not change if its true or not. If i wanted to beileve i was born a dog and it gives me comfort does not make me a dog.
wwechamp7 4 months ago
There's actually no real proof science exists either - sorry Dawkins 1 - nil
TheSmallparrot 4 months ago
@TheSmallparrot theres not proof but atleast theres is physical evidence and thats why its a notch up above religion in terms of logical thought.
wwechamp7 4 months ago 2
@TheSmallparrot what?! Was that a joke? lol
thomasbrunskill 4 months ago
@thomasbrunskill haha ye :P just thought all the comments were a bit too serious :)
TheSmallparrot 4 months ago
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@TheSmallparrot you wrote:There's actually no real proof science exists either - sorry Dawkins 1 - nil) well let me tell you this & I hope U can understand it, science created the very computer you posted your moronic statement with. have you had your vaccines yet? if yes then science created that also. everything you do pretty much was created with the help of logic, reason, and peer review, ALL THAT IS SCIENCE!
dillinger9999 2 months ago
i was looking for Robert Hawkins from Jericho but instead found this idiot.
mustaffa1611 4 months ago
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There are so many things in this world we should be objecting to: Israel's genocide of the Palestinians, Obomba's mass murder in the wars he's waging all over the world, the destruction of America's economy by corporate greed, and of course world hunger, which will end the day we stop spending trillions of dollars on war.
But religion -- beautiful religion -- why waste your precious time and energy fighting against that?
We must choose our battles carefully. Choose love! It's worth living for.
eastariel 4 months ago
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given 2 the profane masses is another useful idiot 4 Jesuit machinations
Jesuitical; pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system 2 suit their Evo-Hoax Agenda to discredit the Bible
Papal Rome cant have their Counter Reformation 2nd Dark Age DESPOTISM until Bible is destroyed
SpencerBenedict2nd 4 months ago
Pope says atheists pick & choose their morals.Correct.
Today I will be frowning on chiled abuse & not having a
problem with homosexuality.
dillinger9999 4 months ago 31
@dillinger9999 I'm a bit different. I find homosexuality discusting and now that the government has approved them adopting children, well I find that deeply troubling. But gays are natural and have their place, just not raising children.
orbital92hotmail 2 months ago
@orbital92hotmail i find having sex with the same sex gross too, MOST PEOPLE DO. that's not unusual! and you wanna talk about people who don't need to be kids, there are more straight people who fit that category. & U find the fact that gay people can raise children is troubling is your problem, & U need to really look at that. the world is more that what you think it is.
dillinger9999 2 months ago
@dillinger9999 you're a hypocrite, you find their sex gross, but you then think its my issue that I think they're not fit to raise children. You are a silly little man who would be better off not joining in as you clearly cannot keep up with the conversation.
orbital92hotmail 2 months ago
@orbital92hotmail yes that is your problem, there is nothing strange about that! or that i find having sex with the same sex is icky also, THAT'S FUCKING NORMAL ASSHAT! & i never said I find their sex gross! you need to read my post clearly. & if you have a problem with something it's always the issue of the person who has the fucking problem. like if I feel that I don't like your hair color then that's my god damn problem RIGHT! You are really mixed up, and you need therapy.
dillinger9999 2 months ago
@dillinger9999 you are a silly little man who is out of his depth.
orbital92hotmail 2 months ago
@orbital92hotmail you have no idea what you are talking about! you are a fucking fascist religious stupid bigot. I can out argue YOU any fucking day you little stupid pathetic piece of religious garbage!
dillinger9999 2 months ago
@dillinger9999 run along, there's a good lad. *yawns*
orbital92hotmail 2 months ago
@bxxder2008 The athiests have already come out... have you not noticed the rise of it? And still only 1.5%...
LolZ4LifE456 4 months ago
Lol at such few Athiests in the US... 85% Christians and 1.5% Athiests (and going down). Can't wait til all the Athiests are dead.
LolZ4LifE456 4 months ago
@LolZ4LifE456 i'm not athiest or religious but I can't wait till you dumb religious fucks die and really see there's no heaven or hell
Daedae333 4 months ago 9
@Daedae333 Nothing to see there, right? Zen.....Nothingness! Why can't you wait? lol!
pattietatoo 4 months ago
@Daedae333 ur pretty much ATHIEST if you realize we're just another species on another planet in another solar system out of billions of solar systems and galaxies, and came out through the progress of evolution (21st century common sense) and not from a God that poofed us onto this planet, you have a real perspective on the world and life and you are an athiest.
drainide 4 months ago
@drainide i'm actually agnostic so kiss my fucking ass for trying to judge me. have fun in hell for sinning!
Daedae333 4 months ago
@Daedae333 An agnostic wouldn't believe in hell
LivingInBadFaith 4 months ago
@LivingInBadFaith but YOU DO!! that was the whole fucking point! god damn you are stupid.....
Daedae333 4 months ago
@Daedae333 I haven't been in your discussion, I haven't said I believed in anything, assuming my point of view makes you the stupid fucking idiot. Maybe you wouldn't wind up in arguments online if you weren't such a tool. If you understood what agnosticism was you wouldn't be talking about hell at all.
LivingInBadFaith 4 months ago
@LivingInBadFaith Yah exactly, @Daedae333 u stupid shit berry hanging off my asscrack hair
drainide 3 months ago
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@drainide you sound upset....DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!! oh.. that's right........ lol
Daedae333 3 months ago
@Daedae333 yah how do you beleive in hell, do you even know what your beliefs encompass as an agnostic
drainide 3 months ago
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@drainide are you fucking stupid?? go back and read my comment... it's at the very top
Daedae333 3 months ago
@Daedae333 That makes you Atheist. Dumbshit.
mistert791979 4 months ago
@mistert791979 i'm sick of you retarded fucks on here....
Daedae333 4 months ago
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@Daedae333 you are atheist if you think that
SuperTestfreak 4 months ago
@Daedae333 its quite a pity but they won't.. because when they die, believing that they're going to be "saved", they will just stop thinking at some point, so there's no time to realize that there's no heaven. :(
BlogRenuan 2 months ago
@Daedae333 they won't see anything :D
einanx 2 months ago
@Daedae333 Whoa, if there's not heaven and hell, they aren't going to ever find out.
12Ominous 1 month ago
This book was an incredibly biased "balanced" argument.
LolZ4LifE456 4 months ago
@LolZ4LifE456 i think it's balanced by the bible though...
nuberiffic 4 months ago
the idea is that god can t be know or understood or met is untrue. i ve met christ, i ve talked to christ, he to me...i ve experienced christ...this fellow is false.
summerstone7 4 months ago
@summerstone7 That was a homeless guy, dumbass. Get your head checked.
rnalithe00 4 months ago
@summerstone7 bullshit
matthew022au 4 weeks ago
@matthew022au ...how do you know that its bs, you weren t even there...yet you assume its bs, never assume...thats my best advice...
summerstone7 4 weeks ago
I can't wait until he gets fucked by Hitler for all eternity
dhide14 5 months ago
@dhide14 i agree with you 100 percent
seanboy97 5 months ago
@dhide14 Hitler's dead, moron, so I don't know how that would work. Also, I would see a psychiatrist if I were you, because that's a fucked-up fetish to have.
rnalithe00 4 months ago
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@rnalithe00 watch the Dark Side of Darwinism here on you tube 6 parts
majorl311 4 months ago
@majorl311 I'd rather construct a miniature iron maiden and then use it on my dick.
rnalithe00 4 months ago
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@rnalithe00 I'm sure you would!
majorl311 4 months ago
@majorl311 It'd be less painful and more interesting than watching more debunked creationist horseshit.
rnalithe00 4 months ago
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@rnalithe00 have fun with it then!
majorl311 4 months ago
@rnalithe00 your mother is a fucked up whore
dhide14 4 months ago
@dhide14 I remember Jesus saying that to one of his detractors. You sir are a fine example of religion in action.
rnalithe00 4 months ago
@rnalithe00 suck your daddys cock, better than your mommy does/did
dhide14 4 months ago
@dhide14 : It seems that Hitler converted to Christianity a few moments before his death and therefore is now in heaven.
Spirifiume 4 months ago
@Spirifiume I was busy fucking your whore of a mom...what did you say?
dhide14 4 months ago
@dhide14 : Didn't you notice she has been dead for 12 years now? Are you a necrophile ?
Spirifiume 4 months ago
Maybe what we call god is really a consciousness that came to being as we did and this universe is its earth because it is such a high form of "spirit" and so there are many "gods" but to say jesus or whomever you believe is the only son of god is contradictory because we would all be the son of god maybe he was a dude who came from higher evolved beings so he had a higher form of consciousness that seemed god like and the word god also means people from the sky. So yea.
Joeschmo8725 5 months ago
none of the sciences dawkins draws his conclusions from have been observed or tested. its all imigination. just because he has scientific sounding names attached to his atheist being has no bearing on it's truth claims. dawkins beliefs are based on faith. faith is the cornerstone of religion. he is living a lie and atheism is a poor religion
talons2112 5 months ago
@talons2112 : You are deluded. Science has evidence, faith has not.
If atheism is a religion then NOT collecting stamps is a hobbby.
Spirifiume 4 months ago
@Spirifiume yes. science has evidence and testability. however mr dawkins is not taling about anything thats observable, has, evidence, or is testable.
talons2112 4 months ago
@talons2112 :Yes, that the universe contains a god is not observable, nor has it evidence or is testable. Faith is contrary to science, that is in a nutshell the tendency of mr Dawkins' talk.
Spirifiume 4 months ago
@Spirifiume however what mr dawkins is presenting as fact in reality has no evidence. scientific evidence.
talons2112 4 months ago
@Spirifiume there is plenty of evidence for God, one could start with dna, the coding language he uses to create life with. faith is contrary to science and what mr dawkins is presenting is not science.
talons2112 4 months ago
@talons2112 : Please give me your evidence that DNA was created by god.
Spirifiume 4 months ago
@Spirifiume dna is a programing lang. much like c, c++, unix, etc... life and the dna that describes that lifeform could not have spontaniously appeared all by itself billions of years ago from it rainng on rocks(and where did all the water come from anyh?) evn if we take a strile environment introdce the sme theorized primordial conditions introduce an amoeba, poke it so its cells are all in everything for life is in that env but life will still not generate. it should be repeatable but its not
talons2112 4 months ago
@Spirifiume if we are to believe chemical evolution is valid then why cant something stumble out of a junkyard? if biological evolution is valid then why dont we see very first proteins coming into existence all the time? why is is we only see mutations that negatively affect the life forms ability to survive? if we are to believe cosmological evolution is true why is it we have only observed stars dying and none birthing? why do some objects in space spin in opposite direction?
talons2112 4 months ago
@Spirifiume these defy the laws of angular momentum and newtons law of decay. not long ago we sent out voyager with a recording of examples of life on earth and some math to show we are intelligent to whomever should find it but the whole of our natural surroundings screams back in such complexity our greatest minds just touch the bounds of. that is evidence of a creator with ultimate power.
talons2112 4 months ago
@talons2112 : So because nature is complex it is evidence of a creating god ?
That is called an argument from ignorance and is a logical fallacy.
Spirifiume 4 months ago
@Spirifiume when we see a watch, car, house, robot we know it took a designer. when we see a person which has many systems far more complex than a robot, has a coding language for its design a designer would also be a natural assumption.
talons2112 4 months ago
@talons2112 : Watches, cars and robots are designed. A mountain or a human being is not designed, they are natural phenomena. Is a lake or a planet created by a god ? Of course not. Perhaps they LOOK designed to you, but they are not. That is why your argument is irrelevant.
Spirifiume 4 months ago
@Spirifiume a human is far more complex than a big rock with far more independant systems than a watch or a robot which denote a creator. the analogy you made comparing a human with a rock is not analogous at all. nor have we seen a planet or a star form. cosmological evolution has yet to have any evidence based on observation either
talons2112 4 months ago
@talons2112 : Because a human is more complicated than a big rock, the human is created and the rock is not.
It is the irreducible complexity argument all over again.
Claims for irreducible complexity has been refuted in peer-reviewed research papers and has been rejected by the scientific community at large.
It is an argument from ignorance.
Spirifiume 4 months ago
@talons2112 : We have already observed stars forming and how solar system came into being we have a very good hypothesis. Most important, there is no god involved in the process.
We don't need a god for the gaps in our knowledge, we need scientific research.
Spirifiume 4 months ago
@Spirifiume we have never observed a star form and a hypothesis is just that its not a theory and most often is a long way from fact. furthermore a hypothesis has to be testable and scientists put forth hypothesis on previous observations that cannot be explained with scientific evidence. you can start one out like this... What if..?
talons2112 4 months ago
@talons2112 : The birth time of stars vary from 10,000 years (massive) to millions of years (Sun size), so you are right, we never saw the complete process, but we are currently observing a variety of objects at various stages in the birthing process; mainly by IR technology.
You are also right that a hypothese isn't a theory; scientist are learning from new evidence and adjusting their hypotheses or, when needed, discart them altogether and start a new one. Only religious dogmas are inflexible.
Spirifiume 4 months ago
What damn good responses. No idealism: all that matters is the truth.
tigers123456789 5 months ago
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Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuit Order completely altered the education system to suit their Evo-Hoax agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
SpencerBenedict2nd 5 months ago
to me it's not really about proof, it's about sheer logic and rationale. i guess i'll call myself an agnostic because i have no idea what created everything and neither does anyone else. it's that simple. there is absolutely no way you can know.
kowiggies32 5 months ago
"Love of human fellowship, love of nature, love of art, love of the world, love of life, love of science, love of children, love of music." so powerful. so true.
kowiggies32 5 months ago
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"Dead-to-the-spirit deluded "God Delusion" author & blithering fool scientist goon Richard Dawkins another "leader" given to the profane masses is another useful idiot for Jesuit machinations"-C.O.
Jesuitical: pertaining to the Jesuits or their principals; designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating
The Jesuits completely altered the education system to suit their evolution agenda to discredit the Bible. They cant have a Satanic society of 'Do as Thou Wilt' if people still follow the Bible
SpencerBenedict2nd 5 months ago
A part of me wonders if religion was just invented for population control...
jax252000 5 months ago
@jax252000 Why wonder? That is a fact.
rnalithe00 4 months ago
How is believing that the world came out of nothing, and was a random chance, more rational than believing that God created it? Nothing finite can bring itself to existence. Therefore, something infinite, God, created all things. Atheists cannot claim anything to be right or wrong because according to them, we were an accident. Humans were no accident....we are all part of God's divine plan.
XRobxRockerX 5 months ago
Notice at the end of the video he says "I don't believe we are put here to be comfortable". Put here?
bobvilas67 5 months ago
Paraphrased: "I would believe it even if I weren't comfortable with it". When you feel this way, you'll know you've reached reality. Living in delusion is like living constantly stoned. You're never REALLY fulfilled, never REALLY sated. Kind of in a fog. The vast majority of people don't know what that feels like. I feel bad for them, genuinely, however much I dislike their willful ignorance. I wouldn't wish such dissatisfaction as that which comes with religion on my worst enemy.
drayofchilastra 5 months ago
Atheists cannot prove that god does not exist!! The bible is all the proof we need!!It is concrete! And it has been around for hundreds of thousands of years! Atheism is wrong in every way!
RealTightPussy 5 months ago
@RealTightPussy here comes santa clause proves santas real. im with you.
Mr5150crash 5 months ago
@RealTightPussy Yes as it says in the first chapter of Romans,'professing themselves to be wise they became fools"science should prove God ,but they try to hide proof of God instead which makes them dishonest!
majorl311 5 months ago
@majorl311 Who the hell would try to "hide" proof of god, dumbass? If someone discovered evidence that your god is real, they would know that they're going to burn in hell for eternity if they tried to hide it, so what would it accomplish for them exactly? Fucking stupid.
rnalithe00 4 months ago 2
@RealTightPussy The burden of proof is on the Theist. Atheists don't HAVE to prove god does not exist because we did not announce the claim that a god exists in the first place. It's up to the Theist to PROVE that a god exists. Atheists have no reason to believe in a god if there is no evidence of it's existence. If a god exists, then prove it. Provide reasonable and analyzable evidence. If you cannot, then Atheists have no reason to believe a god exists. And a book is not proof.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago 13
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Well said. Atheists literally have no thing to prove.
longtail4711 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Neither is dawkins book proof that god does not exist if you use your logic. But you seem to believe his presuppositions without question.
dogooda12 5 months ago
@dogooda12 I never read his books, nor do I cling to a belief of a book. And I do in fact question the beliefs of others, be it theistic beliefs or atheistic beliefs. Before being an Atheist I wondered if there really were deities out there. I investigated for many years and came to a conclusion. I do not believe in any deities because I found no evidence of their existence. I acted for myself, I did not follow another. Good day sir/ma'am.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago 5
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Good on for not reading his book. I thought that logically if you were to pick a world view you would've picked theism because it makes more sense. With all the investigating that you had done how could you not believe in God the evidence is all around you. I think for many atheists the decision to become one is an emotional choice not one based on "evidence". I do not believe in deities either because there is only one God that is, the God of the Bible.
dogooda12 5 months ago
@dogooda12 The reason I don't believe in god is because I did research. I've looked at videos on creationism and evolution, among other things. I've looked at Bible verses and their contradictions. People only believe a deity makes more sense because they're too lazy to investigate for themselves, nor try to accept the evidence provided. I've spoken to many Atheists that were once Christians and a majority of them said that the more they investigated, the less they believed in god or the Bible.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams I think those who claim to be Christians and then researched only to discover that God did not exist were never Christians in the first place. Based on their own presuppositions, this is brought what them to that position. My friend God has revealed himself to everyone so everyone is without excuse. So I'm not going to try and convince someone that God exists because everyone knows he does. I am a Christian because it is true. How do atheist justify their world view?
dogooda12 5 months ago
@dogooda12 How do you justify yours? Not only are you claiming judgement on people you don't know but you're insisting god exists without substantial proof to back it up. Typical theist argument to redirect to the justification of atheism rather than face the information for yourself. I'm done here.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
The Bible. I appeal to ultimacy:the God of Christianity. I do not claim to know everything but I appeal to the one who does know everything. How do you justify or account for knowledge? what is your ultimate source of authority? Is it impossible for the God of theBible to exists? do you believe that an all knowing all powerful God could reveal Himself such that we could know him for certain? If you can answer this without appealing to your senses, memory or reasoning I would be very surprised.
dogooda12 5 months ago
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@dogooda12 The reason I don't believe in god is because I did research. I've looked at videos on creationism and evolution, among other things. I've looked at Bible verses and their contradictions. People only believe a deity makes more sense because they're too lazy to investigate for themselves, nor try to accept the evidence provided. I've spoken to many Atheists that were once Christians and a majority of them said that the more they investigated, the less they believed in god or the Bible.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@dogooda12 I don't want to force this upon you or try to convert you. But look at videos from shockofgod and jezuzfreek777 about creationism. Them look at the videos from TheAmazingAtheist, CultOfDusty, and BionicDance. These are the more popular channels, but there are a lot more. After viewing each perspective make a decision for yourself.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
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@JubaJubaJubbaJams god was an alien and a rapist
The1soloflyer 4 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams The claim that God does not exist is no different than the claim that God does exist, except for the fact that there is evidence that God exists and there is no evidence whatsoever that the universe can spontaneously generate itself into being. Richard Dawkins is a fucking moron to the extreme.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 And what evidence would that be? The Bible?
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Boy you really have been arguing with the kiddies. The universe is finely tuned by about 20 physical constants that if altered within a certain slight degree would cause atoms and galaxies to fly apart, there goes a universe by pure chance, that's a bullshit argument. Oh, and a universe from nothing, not only does this violate the laws of thermodynamics but it also has zero evidence to back it up.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 What is the first law of thermodynamics? And why did you skip one in school and go straight for the second? Also, what is the the life/matter of universe ratio?
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams First law of thermodynamics: A change in the internal energy of a closed thermodynamic system is equal to the difference between the heat supplied to the system and the amount of work done by the system on its surroundings.
budoghost1 5 months ago
As far as the "life/matter ratio" if you are speaking of organic constituents the universe is made up of about 5% organic matter. In any case what thermodynamics shows us is that you cannot create energy from nothing, it has to come from somewhere, That means there is no product of zero that can attain a value greater than such. In any case, the amount of organic matter in the universe has no relation to this discussion.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams The creative agency of our universe doesn't have to follow the rules of our own, this includes causality. While this makes your god a plausable idea (as well as every god ever conceived), it's no more strongly supported than our universe was created by a milkshake bottle filled with raisens and rainbows.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams That's bullshit, the fact that the universe did not manifest itself yields the conclusion that something is responsible, further the universe is finely tuned and if off by a certain degree would cease to exist. Just because we can't define the terms of how the universe came into being doen't mean you can attribute it to rainbows and milkshakes. Let's see the model, your milkshake universe. Constants, laws, and constituents please.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 Poor boy can't see through sarcasm. Tell me, what happens at the quantum level?
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams I'll throw you one better, tell me what happens at the quantum level when there is a large amount of mass involved and you can't just ignore gravity in your equations anymore. I'll answer it for you since you're a dumbass, the calculator jams. Using quantum mechanics to describe the entire universe is a fail, a miserable fail. You show how little you know.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 A normal map does not represent the polar area well, that's why when making a 2D map about the 3D earth, we need multiple maps with overlapping coverage. Same with scientific theories that describe the universe that we live in. We also need multiple overlapping theories to achieve ToE. And QM is a very important one. Using QM to describe physical phenomena is very relavant and not the least dumb ass, or else Feynman and every nobel physicists in the past 80 years are dumb asses.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Quantum Mechanics is part of the arguement but it does not explain the entire universe, in fact it contradicts general relativity, the other dominant theory in science. These two theories in contradiction are an embarrassment, and obviously you realize nothing of unification if you think quantum mechanics explains everything. Let's not even consider that it ignores gravity. lol
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 Fine tuning fallacy stands on 2 priories: 1. Assuming it can be tuned. 2. Assuming changing one will not affect the others. Neither have evidence to support it. Also it could be thor who did it, the fallacy does not point to any personal gods.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams The universe cannot fine tune itself and any major deviation would make the universe impossible. You are ignoring the facts for your atheist beliefs.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 Another priori without evidence. Why cant the universe "fine tune" itself? It's another sad attempt at "first cause" argument. So why does it have to be god? Why cant we call the fine tuner bullshit? Since I've seen bullshit and it's real, also it is a lot more fine-tuned for food than the universe is fine tuned for life.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams The universe had a beginning, thus it has not always been. The notion that the universe somehow manifested itself and then fine tuned itself so precisely that the system works the way it does is idiotic. You're just throwing out what if's, and I don't give a shit about your what if questions, I only care about what is.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams You've missed the point. It doesn't matter how it's tuned, any potential tune could have created some kind of intellegence or model of creation we're not familiar with because it happens to be tuned this way. It's like the argument from complexity. It's a subjective term. There might be a way to engineer a reality that allows for greater complexity or worse complexity, it only seems complex to us because we're very small and are only used to things roughly on our scale.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@budoghost1 The universe only seems fine tuned due to us being used to it's tuning.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams No it has nothing to do with that, if the constants were out of line by a fucking hair the universe would cease to exist. Brick wall I swear.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 If you want a better explanation. Causality is a facet of Space-time, and as relativity teaches us they are entwined. If the Big bang (or whatever created the Universe) created space, then it also created time. So to say something must be outside or before the universe is techincally illogical, as there is no space or time for it to operate in.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@budoghost1 Until we find some way to interact with whatever hypothetical realoty spawned our own, we have no reason to attribute it with any of the facets of our own Universe. No good reason to impose our rules of space, time, causality etc, let alone intellegence, personality etc.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@budoghost1 You're cherry picking, the universe would cease to exist as we know it, and nothing as we know them would happen. There's nothing to say a different kind of reality we're completely unused to couldn't appear.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Ok let me define what I mean by cease to exist, atoms and galaxies would fly apart, space would collapse, and time would curve back on itself. There is no possibility that the universe could somehow be different, and I didn't cherry pick it, God did. It's in the fine print of physics if you bother to really look, most people don't.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 How many simulations did you assert that there is no other way? Show me calculations, published papers, etc.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams There may be other ways to make a universe, but they would have to be profoundly different from ours, that's what you're missing. A minor deviation in the laws and constants of physics doesn't equal a slightly different universe, it equals shit. End of line.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 How can god exist before the universe if not in some other kind of reality? And keep in mind that reality must have different rules to ours to allow something that always exists and is all powerful. Broken causality straight away.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams There is no causality paradox, the universe is a closed temporal system, there is no reference of time outside of it. God is a reality unto himself and is beyond all quantifications. This is the core of your misunderstanding and until you move beyond your limited self you will never understand.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 Your understanding of causality and the universe is either biased or outdated, either way it's flawed. Furthermore, your god idea is an untestable hypothesis, and thus bad science. Until you realize that you should stop trying to sound like you understand science. You should also look into quantum mechanics, specifically vacuum energy and the matter foam on the event horrizons of black holes before you says things can't spontaneously exist.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Vacuum energy is what causes space to expand, it is not nothing, it is quantifiable. Further I have a better understanding of quantum mechanics than you will ever have. As for black holes, they may exist, may not, but they don't spring up out of shit. If relativity is right (and now they're starting to doubt that because neutrinos travel faster than light) it takes a massive star to make a black hole, not nothing.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 “The universe is finely tuned and the fact that not just any reality will do indicates intelligent design.”
False claims, still no evidence or mechanism or predictions for "fine tuning". 2. Intelligent design is religion, also just a cheap appeal to magic. Also, complexity does not necessitate design.
“Further I have a better understanding of quantum mechanics than you will ever have.”
I see no evidence of that. Where were you trained?
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams It really sucks when I have to just repeat myself. The universe is fine tuned by about 20 physical constants that cannot be altered within a certain slight degree or else atoms and galaxies would fly apart. Further, I am not supporting the theory of intelligent design, I am backing the scientific principle that the universe is no accident. Oh you know what? Blah blah blah is just as good to you, fucking moron.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 Saying God doesn't require the same critique is special pleading, with no known mechanics of influencing our world, so by Occam's razor we can eliminate him.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams Oh so now the universe doesn't require precise mechanics but God does? Get the fuck out. It's like making a board game such as chess, the players in the field are bound by the rules of the game, but the player himself is not bound by those rules and can change the nature of the game. The fact that it has to be precisely engineered sites precedence, God doesn't do things just for kicks, there is always reason and law.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 Failed logic. We can provide a good workable falsifiable mechanism for the beginning of the universe. You cant produce any workable knowledge of sky daddy and how he "tuned" the universe. Also, you keep begging the question and assuming that it's "engineered" without evidence. What would the h0 be for this assumption?
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
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budoghost1 5 months ago
@JubaJubaJubbaJams No we can't, when we turn back the clock to moments after the big bang the probabilties of an event become infinite. That is not possible, probability is 0 or 1, not infinity, that's nonsense. And we keep going in circles over this fine tuning thing. The universe is finely tuned and the fact that not just any reality will do indicates intelligent design. You're about as thick as steel in your skull I swear.
budoghost1 5 months ago
@budoghost1 You also need to study statistical thermodynamics. A piece of dog shit also has a near 0 probability of existing given how many different combination of molecules there are. Simply placing the first atom in the right place for 1 mol of shit is about 1/(10^23), and having all the shit molecules fall together is about 1/(10^23)!. Therefore, we should worship the dog that made this near improbable pile of shit.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@budoghost1 This is what you do when you simply ignore all the natural forces in the world, like say em force that dictates the binding of atoms.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@budoghost1 I find it hard to believe you actually have any kind of science training. When zero energy model is literally a model from nothing. Also, you’re still ignoring the fact that your sky daddy came out of nothing. Also, my question was specifically geared toward the quantum foam on event horizons, not black hole itself. If you cant answer the h0 question, you’re just a "wiki scientist", meaning reading stuff on wiki instead of proper science training.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
@budoghost1 Basically you’re making the fine tuned argument without any evidence, just mere assertions. It's like saying ears and noses are designed to wear glasses.
JubaJubaJubbaJams 5 months ago
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