@theawakener7 : Haha! Thanks fer tha laugh. Sounds like you must've run out of yer "crazy pills" & confused your anguish & jealousy of not being American with your anguish & jealousy of being a total pussy, "green with envy" b/c you probably couldn't hack it in a martial arts class or something. I believe we were "discussing" Karate here, not countries & conflicts etc..... go back to yer shrink, douchebag
@theawakener7 : Im not even going to waste my time on a DUMBF*U*C*K such as yourself.........keep posting, you just make yourself look even more ridiculous - "L*O*L"
osu,shotokan karatedo takes some understanding as does the okinawan styles.I love all the Masters what they bring.We have so much to learn.I always believe combine the knowledge of Shotokan with Goju Ryu(for example) will develope a strong understang of Karatedo.That's what all the old JKA MAsters use to do.Train at other dojo's as well(Styles)
I trained with him in the seventies.Terrific fighting spirit forged by severe training.Training with him was hard,far harder than anything I have witnessed in modern times.
Realizing what these comments are about, I wish people would be original and leave the jkd/Bruce Lee crap out of it. If you're going to have discussion, include the theories and concepts of COMPLETE martial arts training and not "Partial Arts". Bruce had to do it because he didn't stick with the real thing long enough to see that it was the real thing.
You guys with your bickering back n forth about street fighting v/s training martial arts etc....... just shows your ignorance. #1 You shouldn't be street fighting, period. Why? well no matter how "good" you are, there will always be someone better, and when you meet that person , it could cost you more than your pride. #2 MA's is training to avoid a confrontation ,unless you have no choice -then you fight for your life ,which could make all the diff. in the world !! Only fools start fights
@LiNaK37 : oh really? Lemme guess....you're gonna tell me it's you? LMAO! YOu're an idiot. Keep believing your bullshit & see where it gets you. Sure, there will be a "best", untill a better "best" comes along & beats him/her ---- D*U*H!!!
Also, being in 20 street fights proves your bravery, but not much your skill or mastery of martial arts. Take Kimbo Slice for example. He's been in many street brawls, some of them recorded and posted on YOu Tube, but he fought poorly trained fighters on the stree, and lost against an MMA fighter (ouside the ring). So, to use that logic, doesn't really hold water.
How is that being naive? I practiced 3 styles because I want to learn more, and keep learning. That part I understand, and that's being naive? You use yourJKD philosophy, but that's like preaching Christianity to Socrates. I am listening, but you are throwing ambiguous meanings, unknown to a person who only understands concepts of logic and truths. Soit sounds like you are getting frustrated, but the frustration you have is born of you not fully understanding the situation.
Yeah, but you just said, only Laurel and Hardy would kick the shins. Yet you use them in your videos. Also, what can you say about my rebuttal on shin conditioning, that the reason why MT guys splinter/fracture their shins was because they kick each other with low kicks, and don't you think a conditioned shin against a street fighter's knee (side of knee) just be as effective as well?
Um, you told me that already, and I mentioned Bruce hitting a hanging bag against a wall, which is not too different from this. I asked you how much time is too much time training on this? Also, I am not stuck on styles, as I had said I've moved from Shotokan to Kyokushin to BJJ, and I see benefits from all those. My questions to you were all about why you disagree about certain training and fighting technique, not styles. So far, you've provided little and I know you can tell me more.
I'm not questioning the effectiveness your kick to the knee, if you were listening. I'm asking you why you don't think the round kick to the knee / shin on the street would be effective. Imagine if I slipped a guy's jab to his left and saw I could throw an outside kick to the shin or knee with a conditioned shin, wouldn't that work? Also, I'm addressing your "Laurel & Hardy" comment, but you kick shins too, I'm confused on your point.
Saw your kicking video, but it doesn't address my questions much. Also, you commented that only Laurel and Hardy would kick the shins, but you demonstrate it in the video. So what did you mean? Also why not kick the outside of the knee? If you have the angle, why not low kick or stomp it? I understand kicking the inside of the knee, as it is common practice in Kyokushin and MT. But why not outside?
@theawakener7 Try typing in: "Sport Science Hardest Kick". I know you already know this, but it explains how MT (or Kyokushin) shins are built and how devastating they can be on an unconditioned leg on the street, especially if hit on the side of the knee. Your argument of MT shins fracturing can be answered because both MT players in the ring have conditioned shins. One hits the other and it becomes a 50-50 chance of fracturing. However, a conditioned shin against an unconditioned knee?
@theawakener7 BTW, I am listening and processing. I am not trying to be pompous, but you didn't mention these things before (problem of MT low kick + shin blocking). Also, the low kick can't just be aimed at the patella, no? Couldn't be also aimed at the shin, which can be broken as you had stated? Having trained in MT, you do know the difference between kick the shin of a MT fighter as compared to kicking an attacker's shin on the street, right? Doesn't that explain the MT injuries?
@theawakener7 You could use the same round technique to hit the side of the knee in a real fight, right? Alternative to hyper extend the patella... Why wouldn't that be effective on the street? Also, to say that "only Laurel & Hardy would attack the shins" is kind of incorrect too, since you had said the shins can be broken when struck with a good kick... right?
Also what do you exactly mean by Kyokushin turning it from bad to badder? It's the same technique. In my old JKD book, there is a picture of Bruce employing a low round kick aimed at the knee.
@theawakener7 Cool, then to say that "conditioning of the shins is little use in a real" fight is kind of incorrect , since you know if you'd kick an attacker's leg or arm on the street while you were training for MT, would've resulted in a broken limb, no? And, despite the chance of fractures, you'd still have to condition them to compete, right? Also, how much time should you train on conditioning your hands, since Bruce Lee hit those hanging sandbags.
Oh I see, you said "Mild conditioning on the hand has it's place but you can't go against nature". Sorry. But what do you mean by going against nature? Also, how much time of training do you require to do "Mild conditioning on the hand"?
@theawakener7 What about my comment on Bruce Lee using sandbags hung on the wall. Isn't that the same as hitting the makiwara? I don't think he thought it was a waste of time, nor it was incorrect. Did I miss a text or excerpt wherein he stated it was?
@theawakener7 Of course BJJ would help me in my older years, as it is not only about going down to the ground, but there are throws and standing submission moves as well. I looked through your earlier posts and I don't see the part where you said conditioning has its use. I am not trying to be arrogant, but just trying to understand the "truth" you are talking about. I'm kind of like Socrates, wherein my curiosity is mistaken for arrogance. How is the practice "incorrect" if its useful?
@theawakener7 Well, that's what I said a while ago, that conditioning is only part of the training regimen. Since you competed in Muay Thai, you should know that. You should also know that if you had kicked someone with your conditioned shin on the legs or the blocking arms of any street fighter, then you'd break 'em, no? Also you said that only Laurel and Hardy would kick people in the shins, yet on your post you state that it has its effective use.
@theawakener7 I also understand that as I get older, my conditioning will get weaker no matter what I do, hence my BJJ training will be of more use. However, I would not call the conditioning I went through in my earlier years as a "waste of time". It is integral part of my training as the completion of my whole self and enhances my ability to focus on discipline. I'd look back and be happy that I did experience it as proof of my efforts to push my limits physically and mentally.
@theawakener7 Excuse me, but the unconditioned shin is a perfect target for a stomp or low kick. That's why its an effective technique (low kick) employed by many of today's martial artists. Against a rock-hard shin, it would break and end the fight quickly. I find it interesting you bring up JKD, since Bruce lee hit sand bags hung against the wall to toughen his fists. That would be his "makiwara", no? Bruce Lee also had to learn low kicks when he studied Wing Chun (part of the WC dummy).
@theawakener7 Just to let you know where I come from, my base is Shotokan, then I followed into Kyokushin, then now I do BJJ (with MT). I have to say that though BJJ is great, the tougher guys in the gym to fight are the tough MTstrikers (conditioned shins, fists and midsection) who do well on the ground as well. Under Shotokan, I did minimal makiwara training, but did more so under Kyokushin. I saw the difference between the two, as the Kyokushin fists are more solid and painful on contact.
@theawakener7 I also would like to add that any aggressive, physically fit person without any martial arts training is capable of knocking out people. Another point - take 2 fighters of relatively equal stamina and skill in sparring, except one had better developed fists and shins and body conditioning and the other had little such conditioning. Don't you think that the better conditioned fighter would have the edge in a full contact contest?
I understand and have seen how some practitioners are able to knockout people without hitting a makiwara, but don't you think that this type of training is not useful when your are facing someone who is conditioned in the ring? I'm not just talking makiwara training, but similar training as well such as heavy bag training, toughening of shins and forearms on the banana bag, using the stick to toughen up the midsection after sit-ups and crunches.
Also, this type of training toughens the body to accept crushing blows, as well as strengthen punches by hardening the body parts used in the strike. Again, this is supplemental training only and not the complete part of the training regimen. So how do you support your argument?
Cool, but how do you argue that this type of conditioning is a waste of time? This type of conditioning is only part of the training. The other is focused hitting the heavy bag, the target mitts, the double-ended bag, the uppercut bag as well as sparring. To boost speed and reaction, you also add plyometric training, jump rope and sprints. To add to stamina, you do roadwork. And of course, BJJ adds to your groundwork. So to say the mentioned type of conditioning is only a part of the pie.
@theawakener7 Muay Thai conditioning of the forearms, shins and legs, as well as the midsection is similar. Besides conditioning the shins by continuous kicks to the lower (harder) portion of the banana bag, we also use a stick which is pounded on our limbs and midsection. It is very effective for conditioning. With this, I have to disagree with you. We need this to toughen ourselves for competition or a street fight.
Another daily process in the development of self in karate do. The augmentation of body parts imparticular is an area not widely practiced by other martial arts. Sensei Terry O'Neil once said if your a small person then augment parts of your body... The idea is simple but the process is long.
we all went for a drink after the session and I got to see his knuckles close up - they're a huge! he said he does an hour of makiwara training every single day!
@theawakener7 : Haha! Thanks fer tha laugh. Sounds like you must've run out of yer "crazy pills" & confused your anguish & jealousy of not being American with your anguish & jealousy of being a total pussy, "green with envy" b/c you probably couldn't hack it in a martial arts class or something. I believe we were "discussing" Karate here, not countries & conflicts etc..... go back to yer shrink, douchebag
hazor777 9 months ago
He increases power right before contact, that makes him unpredictable; it looks awesome too :D
slayer19966 1 year ago
Gotta love that tighten of the whole body as he makes contact, it's what makes Karate distinct.
Yamahaphone 1 year ago
@theawakener7 : Im not even going to waste my time on a DUMBF*U*C*K such as yourself.........keep posting, you just make yourself look even more ridiculous - "L*O*L"
hazor777 1 year ago
@theawakener7 : Really? And where are you from , the UK? Get to the point, pal - what exactly do you want to say about America??
hazor777 1 year ago
@hazor777 well there aint much you can say really,all these wars didnt really get you any where only bankrupt.
retardedjoe12 5 months ago
The relaxation in his movement is key to producing that power
ilikezappa 1 year ago
osu,shotokan karatedo takes some understanding as does the okinawan styles.I love all the Masters what they bring.We have so much to learn.I always believe combine the knowledge of Shotokan with Goju Ryu(for example) will develope a strong understang of Karatedo.That's what all the old JKA MAsters use to do.Train at other dojo's as well(Styles)
SKIFTIGER 1 year ago
got my early grades from him but has he lost it?
patrickdarcy 1 year ago
I trained with him in the seventies.Terrific fighting spirit forged by severe training.Training with him was hard,far harder than anything I have witnessed in modern times.
MrBearpaw100 1 year ago
Realizing what these comments are about, I wish people would be original and leave the jkd/Bruce Lee crap out of it. If you're going to have discussion, include the theories and concepts of COMPLETE martial arts training and not "Partial Arts". Bruce had to do it because he didn't stick with the real thing long enough to see that it was the real thing.
Koryuhoka 1 year ago
@Koryuhoka you're right bruce nor the rest of us stuck with it long enough to understand the power of the porn stash.
poorashit 1 year ago
That is some makiwara!!!
Koryuhoka 1 year ago
You guys with your bickering back n forth about street fighting v/s training martial arts etc....... just shows your ignorance. #1 You shouldn't be street fighting, period. Why? well no matter how "good" you are, there will always be someone better, and when you meet that person , it could cost you more than your pride. #2 MA's is training to avoid a confrontation ,unless you have no choice -then you fight for your life ,which could make all the diff. in the world !! Only fools start fights
hazor777 1 year ago 9
@hazor777 That's not true, there isn't always someone that's always better. At least one person is going to be the best.
LiNaK37 9 months ago
@LiNaK37 : oh really? Lemme guess....you're gonna tell me it's you? LMAO! YOu're an idiot. Keep believing your bullshit & see where it gets you. Sure, there will be a "best", untill a better "best" comes along & beats him/her ---- D*U*H!!!
hazor777 9 months ago
@hazor777 How am I an idiot? Of course ONE person is going to be the BEST. Also, see where it gets me? Why would holding this idea 'get' me anywhere?
LiNaK37 9 months ago
Approx. what year was this video made ? Asano is a great teacher/practioner one of the best!
hazor777 1 year ago
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JessTerrii 2 years ago
Also, being in 20 street fights proves your bravery, but not much your skill or mastery of martial arts. Take Kimbo Slice for example. He's been in many street brawls, some of them recorded and posted on YOu Tube, but he fought poorly trained fighters on the stree, and lost against an MMA fighter (ouside the ring). So, to use that logic, doesn't really hold water.
Bassai 2 years ago
How is that being naive? I practiced 3 styles because I want to learn more, and keep learning. That part I understand, and that's being naive? You use yourJKD philosophy, but that's like preaching Christianity to Socrates. I am listening, but you are throwing ambiguous meanings, unknown to a person who only understands concepts of logic and truths. Soit sounds like you are getting frustrated, but the frustration you have is born of you not fully understanding the situation.
Bassai 2 years ago
Yeah, but you just said, only Laurel and Hardy would kick the shins. Yet you use them in your videos. Also, what can you say about my rebuttal on shin conditioning, that the reason why MT guys splinter/fracture their shins was because they kick each other with low kicks, and don't you think a conditioned shin against a street fighter's knee (side of knee) just be as effective as well?
Bassai 2 years ago
Um, you told me that already, and I mentioned Bruce hitting a hanging bag against a wall, which is not too different from this. I asked you how much time is too much time training on this? Also, I am not stuck on styles, as I had said I've moved from Shotokan to Kyokushin to BJJ, and I see benefits from all those. My questions to you were all about why you disagree about certain training and fighting technique, not styles. So far, you've provided little and I know you can tell me more.
Bassai 2 years ago
I'm not questioning the effectiveness your kick to the knee, if you were listening. I'm asking you why you don't think the round kick to the knee / shin on the street would be effective. Imagine if I slipped a guy's jab to his left and saw I could throw an outside kick to the shin or knee with a conditioned shin, wouldn't that work? Also, I'm addressing your "Laurel & Hardy" comment, but you kick shins too, I'm confused on your point.
Bassai 2 years ago
Saw your kicking video, but it doesn't address my questions much. Also, you commented that only Laurel and Hardy would kick the shins, but you demonstrate it in the video. So what did you mean? Also why not kick the outside of the knee? If you have the angle, why not low kick or stomp it? I understand kicking the inside of the knee, as it is common practice in Kyokushin and MT. But why not outside?
Bassai 2 years ago
@theawakener7 Try typing in: "Sport Science Hardest Kick". I know you already know this, but it explains how MT (or Kyokushin) shins are built and how devastating they can be on an unconditioned leg on the street, especially if hit on the side of the knee. Your argument of MT shins fracturing can be answered because both MT players in the ring have conditioned shins. One hits the other and it becomes a 50-50 chance of fracturing. However, a conditioned shin against an unconditioned knee?
Bassai 2 years ago
@theawakener7 I already saw a few, and they're okay, but I'm not sure which addresses my questions.
Bassai 2 years ago
@theawakener7 BTW, I am listening and processing. I am not trying to be pompous, but you didn't mention these things before (problem of MT low kick + shin blocking). Also, the low kick can't just be aimed at the patella, no? Couldn't be also aimed at the shin, which can be broken as you had stated? Having trained in MT, you do know the difference between kick the shin of a MT fighter as compared to kicking an attacker's shin on the street, right? Doesn't that explain the MT injuries?
Bassai 2 years ago
@theawakener7 You could use the same round technique to hit the side of the knee in a real fight, right? Alternative to hyper extend the patella... Why wouldn't that be effective on the street? Also, to say that "only Laurel & Hardy would attack the shins" is kind of incorrect too, since you had said the shins can be broken when struck with a good kick... right?
Bassai 2 years ago
Also what do you exactly mean by Kyokushin turning it from bad to badder? It's the same technique. In my old JKD book, there is a picture of Bruce employing a low round kick aimed at the knee.
Bassai 2 years ago
@theawakener7 Cool, then to say that "conditioning of the shins is little use in a real" fight is kind of incorrect , since you know if you'd kick an attacker's leg or arm on the street while you were training for MT, would've resulted in a broken limb, no? And, despite the chance of fractures, you'd still have to condition them to compete, right? Also, how much time should you train on conditioning your hands, since Bruce Lee hit those hanging sandbags.
Bassai 2 years ago
Oh I see, you said "Mild conditioning on the hand has it's place but you can't go against nature". Sorry. But what do you mean by going against nature? Also, how much time of training do you require to do "Mild conditioning on the hand"?
Bassai 2 years ago
@theawakener7 What about my comment on Bruce Lee using sandbags hung on the wall. Isn't that the same as hitting the makiwara? I don't think he thought it was a waste of time, nor it was incorrect. Did I miss a text or excerpt wherein he stated it was?
Bassai 2 years ago
@theawakener7 Of course BJJ would help me in my older years, as it is not only about going down to the ground, but there are throws and standing submission moves as well. I looked through your earlier posts and I don't see the part where you said conditioning has its use. I am not trying to be arrogant, but just trying to understand the "truth" you are talking about. I'm kind of like Socrates, wherein my curiosity is mistaken for arrogance. How is the practice "incorrect" if its useful?
Bassai 2 years ago
@theawakener7 Well, that's what I said a while ago, that conditioning is only part of the training regimen. Since you competed in Muay Thai, you should know that. You should also know that if you had kicked someone with your conditioned shin on the legs or the blocking arms of any street fighter, then you'd break 'em, no? Also you said that only Laurel and Hardy would kick people in the shins, yet on your post you state that it has its effective use.
Bassai 2 years ago
@theawakener7 I also understand that as I get older, my conditioning will get weaker no matter what I do, hence my BJJ training will be of more use. However, I would not call the conditioning I went through in my earlier years as a "waste of time". It is integral part of my training as the completion of my whole self and enhances my ability to focus on discipline. I'd look back and be happy that I did experience it as proof of my efforts to push my limits physically and mentally.
Bassai 2 years ago
@theawakener7 Excuse me, but the unconditioned shin is a perfect target for a stomp or low kick. That's why its an effective technique (low kick) employed by many of today's martial artists. Against a rock-hard shin, it would break and end the fight quickly. I find it interesting you bring up JKD, since Bruce lee hit sand bags hung against the wall to toughen his fists. That would be his "makiwara", no? Bruce Lee also had to learn low kicks when he studied Wing Chun (part of the WC dummy).
Bassai 2 years ago
@theawakener7 Just to let you know where I come from, my base is Shotokan, then I followed into Kyokushin, then now I do BJJ (with MT). I have to say that though BJJ is great, the tougher guys in the gym to fight are the tough MTstrikers (conditioned shins, fists and midsection) who do well on the ground as well. Under Shotokan, I did minimal makiwara training, but did more so under Kyokushin. I saw the difference between the two, as the Kyokushin fists are more solid and painful on contact.
Bassai 2 years ago
@theawakener7 I also would like to add that any aggressive, physically fit person without any martial arts training is capable of knocking out people. Another point - take 2 fighters of relatively equal stamina and skill in sparring, except one had better developed fists and shins and body conditioning and the other had little such conditioning. Don't you think that the better conditioned fighter would have the edge in a full contact contest?
Bassai 2 years ago
I understand and have seen how some practitioners are able to knockout people without hitting a makiwara, but don't you think that this type of training is not useful when your are facing someone who is conditioned in the ring? I'm not just talking makiwara training, but similar training as well such as heavy bag training, toughening of shins and forearms on the banana bag, using the stick to toughen up the midsection after sit-ups and crunches.
Bassai 2 years ago
Also, this type of training toughens the body to accept crushing blows, as well as strengthen punches by hardening the body parts used in the strike. Again, this is supplemental training only and not the complete part of the training regimen. So how do you support your argument?
Bassai 2 years ago
Cool, but how do you argue that this type of conditioning is a waste of time? This type of conditioning is only part of the training. The other is focused hitting the heavy bag, the target mitts, the double-ended bag, the uppercut bag as well as sparring. To boost speed and reaction, you also add plyometric training, jump rope and sprints. To add to stamina, you do roadwork. And of course, BJJ adds to your groundwork. So to say the mentioned type of conditioning is only a part of the pie.
Bassai 2 years ago
@theawakener7 Muay Thai conditioning of the forearms, shins and legs, as well as the midsection is similar. Besides conditioning the shins by continuous kicks to the lower (harder) portion of the banana bag, we also use a stick which is pounded on our limbs and midsection. It is very effective for conditioning. With this, I have to disagree with you. We need this to toughen ourselves for competition or a street fight.
Bassai 2 years ago
I would like to know what kind of machine setting is the makiwara on? I have seen one only once about 14 years ago.
kungfushus 2 years ago
Another daily process in the development of self in karate do. The augmentation of body parts imparticular is an area not widely practiced by other martial arts. Sensei Terry O'Neil once said if your a small person then augment parts of your body... The idea is simple but the process is long.
peterkeen1 2 years ago
NOTICE: If you have an understanding of Shotokan Karate-do please feel free to leave a comment, otherwise time wasters are not wanted. Thank You
Sundome1 2 years ago 9
i trained with him! he's awesome!
we all went for a drink after the session and I got to see his knuckles close up - they're a huge! he said he does an hour of makiwara training every single day!
djmoscow 2 years ago