Hmmm, reading your profile, you sound like someone would believes the moochers and looters have a right to the wealth generators. That the unproductive are just as valuable to society as the productive. And that you should be able to take money from one person to give to another. And if you support Fidel, then you must believe that you can do it with the use of force.
When you can argue the downside of imperialism, that is after familiarizing yourself with something like Open Veins of Latin America by Eduardo Galeano, after reading about Operation Northwoods, after reading about Operation Condor, after reading about the Scramble for Africa, COINTELPRO, or the Lavendar scare, than speaking for myself, I'll begin to take you seriously.
And I also take it that you're a pacifist, or else a massive hypocrite who advocates war but only for their own reasons.
Haha, try Chinese or Cuban or Russian or Arab or Somali torture . That's real torture. Not this rubbing tits on you or making you lay naken in a pile with other men. Electric shock, beatings, maggot infested food. The average arab in gitmo GAINED 20 lbs while incarcerated.
I have known many people who fled cuba after fidel took over. There were executions, beatings, imprisonment of for political dissent. The people have been beaten down. Cuba was a prosperous country with a higher standard of living before fidel took over.
Batista, the leader of Cuba before Castro, was used to rubbing elbows with the Mafia and people like Meyer Lansky. He had mansions in Florida while the majority of Cubans were dirt poor, with no electricity or runnimg water, while his police force was busy killing or beating people in the streets, while he advocated the opening of brothels and prostitution. Higher living. yeah, if you ignore the dispossed and peasants. Just say so.
Mas de 50 años esperando la verdadera revolucion, porque Cuba sigue siendo un mal ejemplo, y Venezuela empezando sus 10 primeros años de "revolucion". El pueblo unido si es vencido si en su mayoria abunda la ignorancia y el conformismo. Lo que han creado estas revoluciones son esas pestes de guerrillas en nuestro continente.
True socialists like "Che" Guevara believe you must kill those who oppose your movement. Kill them, limit freedom and liberities, and oppress the people.
Spoken like true leftist suppresser of freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of association. Stalin, Tito, Mao, Lenin, Hitler (Nazionalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, National Socialist German Workers' Party) and all the other great leaders will salute your from Hell.
Hasta siempre comandante! Workers, students, everyone must join the fight against the brutal capitialist machine, (NOW!) before its too late. If you live in the United States, please join the Communist Party USA. Their website is: cpusa. Tell them Comrade James Harrington referred you. If you live elsewhere, please join your countries Communist Party....United together we can make a difference...Venceramous!
me dan pena los cubanos...solo saben hablar de revolucion...pero cual? corre el ano 2008...sy no os aveis dao cuenta...el cumunismo ha perdido...moris todos de hambre en vuestra isla,,,retrasada,,,i venis todos en europa...las mujeres hacen las putas pa vivir...y los hombres...se casan las viejas con dinero...que pena de raza........esto es tu revolucion!!!!!
nycjamie your silence is the defeat of a capitalist propagandist-Long Live Socialism! Freedom for Ireland! Freedom for all small countries from Capitalist Imperialism!
Silence? I never recieved an email about your reply. My silence is that, not the defeat of capitalist propaganda - because it's not propaganda, it's objective reasoning based on the empirical truth. I know all about the welfare system in Britain, the charvas addicted to welfare, the council estates, entire generations with no hope or motivation. I know about the NHS - recent BBC headline talked of "3rd world conditions" in Welsh service. You already have "user pays" it's called TAXES idiot.
I did a year in the Territorial Army (playing soldiers on the weekend once every 6 weeks),in the u.k (and the commonwealth)just doin that qualifies yeh for the free university,anyway a few posts back you said you had traveled widely-come to the u.k and expereance even our limited and corroded social welfare system and Im sure it will vastly change your viewpoint-even the idea of user pays makes me feel uncomfortable
Deliberatly targeting innocent members of the public because they happen to belong to a different religion is definatly wrong-the Loyalist Terrorists,PSNI and the brit hun soldiers do it every day,the stupid BNP neds do it evry day in the u.k and the Yank soldiers in Irak do it every day-your comment bout th' bomb thrown at kiddies was all propaganda-you do realise tht the SAS dress up as republican Provos and commit atrosities against there own people to put bad press on to the Republican cause
The US and UK does NOT deliberately target civilians in Iraq. Please grow up. And the bomb thrown at kids was "propaganda"? OH WELL I'M SURE THAT WOULD HAVE MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE TO ANY KIDS IT MIGHT HAVE MAIMED. Please, spare me your childish conspiracy theories which sound even more ridiculous when you start them with "you do realize that"
And those civilians wouldn't get killed if the action wasn't necessary in the first place, ie if Saddam hadn't repeatedly ignored resolutions for him to disarm, and if he wasn't a psychopathic dictator who had already proven himself capable of using WMDs against his own people.
Blood for oil? - just an unsubstantiated leftist lie, like all of the other leftist lies. And really - do you think Iraq under Saddam was "free"? Palestine was offered totally acceptable terms before, and it refused them - that's because they are more interested in a holy war than any kind of objective agreement. You sound like the kind of kid who attaches himself to whatever "revolutionary" causes he can find without stopping to consider all the facts in their proper context. Typical lefty.
No, you're too young and naive to judge separate cases objectively, in their proper context and taking into consideration all of the facts. So you see ANYTHING through a simplified Marx-style "oppressed/oppressor" lens which causes you apply moral equivalence to every case which appears on the surface to resemble "the Irish problem".
i may be young but i know what right and wrong is. the basque people deserve independence. when a foreigner occupies a persons land and forces their way of life on them then i consider that opressed/opresser.
Nobody needed to deliberately target innocent people going about their daily business. And I'll never forget the footage of the two soldiers accidentally taking a turn into an IRA funeral, and having a mob drag them out of the car, beat them to a pulp and then shoot them. It's at that point, I thought...ho ho, this is a bunch of SAVAGES and nothing more.
im not condoning that for 1 minute but look what the british forces have done to ireland. what about bloody sunday or internment ware they right to happen
Well my father worked with a British guy from Wallsend who served in the forces and was there that day, and he swears blind that the Irish started shooting first. Who to believe?
they were children, the oldest was 17. no guns were found on them. the irish threw stones and the brits picked out targets. they wanted to kill the next generation.
Oh yeah? DID THEY SEARCH MARTIN McGUINNESS ON THAT DAY TOO? Or maybe the Rossville flats? YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT THAT DAY. The oldest was 59, the youngest 17.
no. but if the ira had weapons that day and the soldiers felt threatened enough to kill, wouldnt you have thought that a soldier had been killed or even injured to warrant their actions
Well, of COURSE the IRA had weapons that day, as they always DID. The people killed were not IRA and did not have guns, but many people in the crowd had all sorts of other weapons and were throwing rocks at the British. When someone fired shots at them (McGuinness?), they saw themselves under attack from the crowd and started firing back. It happens. Not pretty, but it happens.
how insulated the people of the us are, please realise that people who fight - fight for a reason - not just for the sake of it, protection is a primeval instinct - its time to realise you are not in kansas anymore toto
There is "fighting" and there is deliberately targeting innocent people in measured acts designed to cause as much fear, hatred and outrage as possible.
For instance, America has spent billions developing the most advanced technology on the planet so that when it carries out military operations, it can do so with the minimum possible civilian casualties.
And yes, protection is a primeval instinct. That's why the US was totally justified in invading a country which UN inspectors said contained thousands of unaccounted for WMD's. Inspectors from one of the most anti-American organizations on Earth outside of the Middle East, said that Saddam had WMD's. And the US had every right to act.
But seriously, how do you explain the fact that the UN had concluded for a DECADE that Saddam had a huge WMD program? THEY, not the US, said that thousands of tons of chemical agents were "unaccounted for", as an example. What the hell was the US supposed to do about that, after the UN had basically said "well we can't do anything about it"? IGNORE IT?
What the hell are we going to do, militarily, about a dictatorship that has nuclear weapons. INVADE? So you'll only respect the US if it sparks a nuclear war with totalitarian Communist tyranny. Well shoot, it don't look like you'll ever respect us. Oh well.
did you say that i know nothing of irish history. what period do you want me to explain,catholic emancipation, home rule, 1798 rebellion, 1916, the tan war. ask me anything about them. even grattans parliament or the anglo-irish treaty signed in early morning 6 dec.1922
do you know that they think they found oil off of irelands west coast. does that mean that your army will invade ireland in order to sort out the peace process
And that, officially, is the "bottoming out" of your intellect. I have to say, a defining characteristic of those on the left is to show a complete inability to see things in their proper context. Which is why comments like yours ultimately ensue. Take some pride in what you say!
opposition to war isnt right and left. what do you mean by saying i dont see things in proper context. i try and understand world problems. you think that the proper context is your view. i support occupied people because i am descended from them
When you attempted to claim some kind of equivalence between the situations "finding oil off the coast of Ireland" and "ousting a crazed dictator who had defied the world in their demands for him to stop his WMD program and who harbored many terrorists and funded many terrorists", you not only didn't see the things in their proper context, you didn't understand the most fundamental differences about them at all.
nycjamie your quite insulated in ye nice safe world in america aint ya-which is why I think you take such a imperialist,condesending and rightwing 'combatitive' aproach to answering peoples comments-similar to your governments attitude to the world-and please give one example of Saddam funding terrorists
I've likely traveled and lived in more countries than you, southerngooner, no insulation here. Socialist views are usually the result of educational insulation - being exposed to only one point of view from professors, etc, and rarely hearing the opposite view. My opinions are as the RESULT of the variety of my education, my social circles, etc.
There is nothing "imperialistic" about my views at all, this is just a word thrown around thoughtlessly by people who, like I say, have led relatively politically isolated lives. And I love the way that, seeing me winning the argument again and again, you ascribe my intellectual assertiveness as "right wing" and "combative". I'll say one thing about you lefties, you sure know how to make a bloke laugh.
And the Iraq Survey Group found that Saddam had been partly funding the PFLP, a splinter group of the PLO, which has launched hundreds of terrorist attacks against Israel. He also provided millions to the families of suicide bombers who attacked Israel.
Saddam funded the PFLP, a PLO splinter group, with millions. He also provided funding for the families of suicide bombers who had launched suicide attacks on Israel.
I will hope that show the same concern to the poor oppressed people of Cuba, who are trapped in time on an island which has been crippled by impotent Communist economics. In fact, spare a thought for people living under Communism and other forms of Socialism, because they are some of the most oppressed people in the world.
look im not a bad person. ireland was exploied for 800 years. the wealthy british landlords had everything and the irish had nothing, for irish people socialism has meant fairness
i didnt say that you called me a bad person. on the surface ireland is a capitalit state. but we have strong social instiuitions. our taoiseach, bertie ahern recently said he was a socialist, the old ira fought for a socialist republic. unmarried mothers and the unemployed get a lot of money from the government. trade unions are almost stronger than the government
So it's not really socialist at all. It's a welfare state that's funded by the proceeds of Capitalism, like Britain. It doesn't matter what people say they are. The mayor of London Ken Livingston is a Trotskyist. I don't think the workers own Harrods yet.
how can anyone be against the idea of the welfare state?-please explain the point of paying taxes if you are also expected to pay for such basic rights as health care-education etc.thank fuck I wasnt born in america!-also whats wrong with giving money to the families of palestinian suicise bombers surely thats not illegal,they are fighting for the freedom of their illegally occupied country after all
Neither health care nor education are "basic rights". I am against the idea of forcing Peter to pay for the life of Paul. It is morally wrong to force one person to sacrifice a part of their life for another. The welfare state does nothing but create an underclass of parasites who are addicted to state dependence and free handouts. It's grotesque.
What's wrong with giving money to the families of terrorists? It's directly encouraging terrorism, that's why. The Palestinians have no case against the Israelis, you don't know the first thing about the history of Israel and Palestine. They have been offered adequate solutions 3 times and have refused, because ultimately they detest Jews like Arabs did for thousands of years before Israel.
OMG-an underclass of parasites?,are you crazy! lol your arguments have degenerated to the point of hilarity.Its not about forcing Peter to Pay for the life of Paul,its about basic rights-your system is the unworkable one as unfortunate people slip through the cracks-no doubt intentionally.If any country with the social welfare system went user pays there would be Mass! rioting in the streets
Yes, an underclass of parasites, addicted to welfare. Crazy? That's PRECISELY the result of every welfare state in existence. You don't know a damn thing about "basic rights" - expecting another person to sacrifice themselves for you is not a basic right, its an atrocity. If YOU want to pay for people most of whom refuse to work and who settle into life on welfare for the duration, then fine, YOU do it. DO NOT expect me to want to contribute.
Wow, you are a Nazi! So in your opinion people shouldn't pay to help the disabled or orphans? Why not kill them instantly so you don't have to contribute to that "atrocity"? Hahaha,I hope your beloved capitalism rapes you to parasitedom.
First sign that I'm arguing with an immature child with little education - they call me a Nazi. Every time. Whenever a naive, dumb leftist child disagrees with someone, or thinks they're "mean" in some way, they call them a Nazi, as if that word were some kind of magic sword that could win debates without every having to pick up a book and learn a fact. I don't see why I should have to deal with the rest of your comment, but I will anyway.
It is not my opinion that "people shouldn't pay to help the disabled". That is a bare faced LIE, told by a child who thinks that people with different views than him are "Nazis". The truth - I do not think anybody should be PHYSICALLY FORCED to pay for people they don't agree to pay for. If you wish to extort $100 from me to pay for someone "in need", then WHO THE HELL ARE YOU to presume that the needs of my family are not more important to me? PLEASE CAN WE HAVE SOME ADULT COMMENTS HERE NOW?
LOL what the hell is this? Where's Mr Blobby? Come on now, this has turned into a FARCE.
I never ONCE accused you of being a Nazi. You complained about being accused of Communist views, so I said that no, I just think you're an anticapitalist which could theoretically mean a lot of things including fascist, and then you whined "hey I'm not a nazi lover" and so I set you straight and explained that I never said any such thing. And now you're STILL whining about that? GET OUTTA HERE! Lol.
Risteardsean, I'm going to give you the exact quote just to nip this crap in the bud. I'm tired of people talking sh*t on the internet, when the truth is there if you can be bothered to look for it.
"When did I say you WERE a Communist? You are, however, anticapitalist, which either makes you a leftist of some description, or even a fascist."
A bunch of losers in berets standing in groups holding Che Guevara signs jumping up and down extremely fast screaming "VIVA LA REVOLUTION" while someone bangs a drum? No thanks.
If I wanted to go see a convention of geeks and losers living in the past, I'd sooner go to an X-Files convention, it's more entertaining.
Hehe you wanna correct warped logics? Hehe,warped logics like socialism = fascism, China/USSR are communist although there has never been communism at all and the best of ur jokes:"all companies want to provide best goods at the lowest prices" of yours? :D
Stop the whining,you can't blame socialism for you not getting a chick.
Yes, all companies want to produce the best goods at the lowest price. It's called gaining the largest share of the market, and something so simple an idiot could understand it. It's the reason why things have become progressively better and cheaper over the decades. Socialism is indeed similar to Fascism, and China and the USSR are/were indeed Communist countries. I think it's way past time OcooLandGuest2 had anything adult to say.
here indeed again nycjamie your information is befuddled,yes things have got cheaper for the rich desposable consumer driven economies-they pay less for cheap tat and some poor soul in a sweat shop somewhere in the east makes 5p an hour!cheap imported crap from countries that have coolie labourers should be banned!.Anyway,Facism(the corporate state)is indeed similar to Corporate CAPITALISM!
This is just so ridiculous and childish - fascism is nothing to do with "corporate capitalism" at all. You lefties simply love tarring anything to do with Capitalism with the "Nazi" brush, and it gets tired especially since Nazism had more in common with Socialism than Capitalism.
And for your information, things have gotten cheaper for everyone in Capitalist countries, which is why even very low income families have color TV's, DVD players, microwaves, Playstations etc. In fact they live better than a king did 500 years ago. That "sweatshop worker" if he is working for an American company will usually get 5 to 6 times the average minimum wage, which is why people FLOCK to work in such "sweatshops" of their own volition.
Yes in its infancy whilst still under the control of the leftwing revolutionary Strasser brothers,the Germen National Socialist Workers Party had many things in common with what we would call socialist today,but after Hitler got complete control,the party became evil and corrupt and in league with International Finance,the Big Industrialists and the Big Money Combines. O.K! since 1935 socialism has had nothing to do with that scum!
I'm not talking bout you nycjamie, I'm takling bout southerngooner. I've never seen some facts in your posts, just some ignorant, wannabe-manipulative, pseudo knowledge.
I assume its me thats doin the 'desperate posturing' a small step down for me from writing my 'moral blank checks for socialism',all me debates here are well constructed,factual,and consise-once again your rebukes are becomin combatitive and unwieldy nycjamie.
Ye no nout bout me pal so cut it wit the wild generalisations like
What rot! I have, to date, to see ONE intelligent or objective argument from you. I know you're a Socialist, and as such smitten with an adult fairy tale which has no basis in real life. And here pal, divvent be getting aal provincial with me son, ye radge bastid. lol.
LOL - so the Nazi party was "revolutionary" when you believe it "had things in common with Socialism" but then it got taken over by the devil, Hitler, who turned it into an evil tool of Capitalism. Nice Socialist fairy tale, son! By the way, capitalizing the words of "International Finance" and "Big Industrialists" - nice touch, really gives your post that "pamphlet" feel.
No I would not agree at all. Fascism is all about a centrally controlled economy, which has nothing to do with Capitalism. Distribution, income, production and pricing of goods and services are determined by the free market under Capitalism, and individuals have the full right to property. Under Fascism, all those things are determined and controlled centrally, ie the OPPOSITE of the free market.
"centrally controlled economy" ehm, no. Neither Hitler nor the NS-party controlled the ways of production, no company was nationalized. Hitler and the companies had a collaboration and with capitalist idiots in France and at Wall Street there was nothing to lose for both parties.
This is just such bullshit - the Nazis had a totally centralized means of production in which prices and wages were fixed by them. There was no free market. The Nazis were not Capitalists.
And for most of its industry, it imposed control over prices, wages and distribution. Nazi Germany was not a Capitalist country in any sense of the term.
National Socialist Germany (i find it an abuse that they continued with the word socialist)was the super capitalist country of the world-has there ever been a more capitalist nation?
Yes thats what I said,it was Jamie that said that NS had much in common with socialism,I just pointed out that the NS was left wing until the purge of the SA-thats when it became Facistic.
Left wing - right wing. It's not a horizontal line running left to right, it's a curved upwards into a near circle so that from the far left, it's just a short little hop across to the far right. Collectivism vs Individualism. Serfdom vs freedom.
yes yes I agree in the circle description and that its all about Collective good vs selfish individualism,however the planned economy is not incompatible or foreign to capitalism,Government planning for the greater good is simply taken over by selfish big money combines-the worst example would be modern America-also their antiquated system of states with a patch work of conflicting competition laws lends itself to state corporatism
Not really, since the more planned an economy is, the further away it is headed from abrogating basic property rights, and hence Capitalism. "selfish big money" do not plan for the "greater good", as they should not because no such "greater good" exists. All the worst aspects of corporate America are largely down to the parasitical relationship between government and business in a mixed economy.
what? "a short hop across to the far left or right","parasitical relationship between government and buiseness in a mixed economy",your not contemplating crossing the floor are you comrade?
Yes, there is a parasitical relationship between government and business in a mixed economy. Corporate welfare, for instance. It should be ended immediately. What does this have to do with hopping?
on a slightly different theme whats yer opinion on American Soldiers etc,after they leave the Army getting there Uni education payed for by the government? surly ya dont see that as parasitical
No, we shouldn't pay for their education, we should just pay them a better wage for risking their lives for us, which of course we could do if the only role of the government was to protect us from physical coercion. Soldiers should get paid a ton of money for what they do. Then, they are free to decide whether or not to spend those earnings on education or anything they like.
"Streamlined Capitalism" is when the government keeps its hands off the free market and thus allows capital to flow in its most efficient way possible.
"Streamlined Socialism" is Stalinism, yes if you wish to believe that. Centralized planning is a characteristic of Socialism just as it is a characteristic of Fascism.
What do you call a "very low income family" you stupid SOB? And damn thousands of homless living in capitalism do not have DVD Players or TVs.And there's sure no King who would ever exchange servants or food for a barrack and a 12" TV.
Well firstly, nobody is homeless through the "fault of Capitalism". When you have a system of freedom in which the individual is responsible for himself, of course you're going to see some homeless people. Many end up on the streets regardless of help offered them, many because of drugs and other problems. Socialism has caused more misery and poverty and starvation than has ever been suffered by homeless people in the West.
A "very low income family" in a Western Capitalist country is still better off than most in a non-Capitalist country. And I'm very sure that most Kings from 500 years ago would enjoy central heating, air conditioning, indoor plumbing, modern technology and especially access to modern health care, none of which was available even to kings, pre capitalism.
No "very low income family" enjoys central heating,air conditioning,(..) and especially access to modern health care. If you don't have the money you get NOTHING.
"A "very low income family" (..) country is still better off than most in a non-Capitalist country."-Very low income like selling chewing gum on the streets? No health care and nobody would offer them a min-wage job.
->A cuban friend of mine got herself new boobs with her FREE cuban healthcare in NON-CAPTLST CUBA.
Bah damnit are you that stupid? You don't gain the largest share of the market by "providing best goods at the lowest price",you never did.Companies have underage beater for a reason,there's no intention of quality there and cartel offices/antitrust agencies aren't just sitting around n posting stupid sh*t on youtube like you do,there's no company that is stupid enough to offer the lowest price for all its goods.
In a truly free Capitalist market, you do indeed get the biggest market share (and keep it) by providing goods at lower prices. Phrases like "underage beater" lead me to think you're only semi-literate. Antitrust agencies are a disgrace, there is no need for them at all. Prices have been dropping constantly since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. A computer that would have cost millions 20 years ago is now a couple of thousand, for example. This is elementary stuff.
"Antitrust agencies are a disgrace"-nother statement that proves you have no idea what ur talking about.
"A computer that would have cost millions 20 years ago is now a couple of thousand"-That's just because the production procedure is damn expensive and everyone wants to earn big cash(the scientist,silicon manufacturer...).In true Communism the same computer would have cost (then and now) 0.
Firstly, yes, antitrust is a disgrace. There is absolutely no reason to break up a monopoly that has been achieved fair and square without foul play or government intervention. The government's action against Microsoft was (is) outrageous. Under Communism a computer would have cost $0? I really don't know who to feel sorry for, you or those that know you. It just gets dumber and dumber.
If people riot in the streets because hard working people have decided they aren't going to sacrifice themselves for them any more, then that is something which has to be dealt with by the authorities. You call me crazy for calling them an underclass of parasites, and yet right after that you're proving what I say by depicting them as a bunch of riotous savages who will kill anyone who stops feeding them.
i find that insulting that you think i wouldnt answer fairly. irish history is my passion. gratan wanted an irish parliament to control irish affairs, wolfe tone wanted to unite catholic, protestant and dissenter under irishman. r.emmet wanted to destroy the union in 1803, butt and parnell wanted home rule.. sinn fein in 1905 wanted a dual monarchy, but on 1919 proclaimed dail eireann, parliament of the irish republic, the main reason behind the civil war was dominion status and not partition
OK, so you know about Irish history. But that really is irrelevant to the question of whether or not it's a good idea for the British army to pull out of Northern Ireland now.
Actually, I have no formal education. Attempting to gain one would have probably sent me through the slaughterhouse of Marxist indoctrination and diminished my ability to think rationally, as I see in so many college students these days. I'm not bitter at all, unlike those who believe in the adult fairy tales of Socialism and Communism and who have seen them all fail so miserably.
You could theoretically produce a video of any conflict at any time in history and say "did they have god on their side", regardless of whether or not that military action was justified or not. You could also produce thousands and thousands of such videos of Saddam's atrocities during his reign of terror, theoretically.
well well well nycjamie you dont stop with the imperialist propaganda do ya tis really quite amazin like pal-Long Live Castro!Long Live the Socialist Idea!,anyway this Ireland buiseness-do you yanks consider the IRA a terrorist organisation? pity on you if you do-you do realise they are fighting for our rights and to give our country a socialist form of government which means freedom and equality for all!
after all your country has done to the world you are in no position to tell irish people how to govern their country. by your reckoning george washington was a terrorist
Firstly, Socialism has never ONCE in history meant "freedom and equality for all" in practice, nor can it ever. Secondly, every act of terrorism carried out by "revolutionaries" has been justified by evoking some kind of "social justice". This writing of moral blank checks is the reason why collectivism always ends in mass slaughter and thirdly - Castro is nearly dead and the "Socialist ideal" died years ago.
No, when Castro dies, Cuba will continue to hold its inhabitants hostage on an island with no way to improve their economic situation because of a failed economic ideology which keeps everything in a time warp. Poor bastards, what they need is CAPITALISM.
well nycjamie you obviously know nothing about the struggle in divided Ireland,and yeh seem to be blind to the fact that Capitalism is Facisms poor relation and yeh statment tat The British Empire was this Great enlightied thing is laughable-are you a admirer of President Bush by chance? lol!!
Southerngooner, simply saying "you are blind to the fact that...." and then repeating the same fallacies I'cve already dealt with, well that's not a particularly effective argument to make.
Hmmm, reading your profile, you sound like someone would believes the moochers and looters have a right to the wealth generators. That the unproductive are just as valuable to society as the productive. And that you should be able to take money from one person to give to another. And if you support Fidel, then you must believe that you can do it with the use of force.
allahsuxdicks 2 years ago
When you can argue the downside of imperialism, that is after familiarizing yourself with something like Open Veins of Latin America by Eduardo Galeano, after reading about Operation Northwoods, after reading about Operation Condor, after reading about the Scramble for Africa, COINTELPRO, or the Lavendar scare, than speaking for myself, I'll begin to take you seriously.
And I also take it that you're a pacifist, or else a massive hypocrite who advocates war but only for their own reasons.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
Haha, try Chinese or Cuban or Russian or Arab or Somali torture . That's real torture. Not this rubbing tits on you or making you lay naken in a pile with other men. Electric shock, beatings, maggot infested food. The average arab in gitmo GAINED 20 lbs while incarcerated.
allahsuxdicks 2 years ago
I have known many people who fled cuba after fidel took over. There were executions, beatings, imprisonment of for political dissent. The people have been beaten down. Cuba was a prosperous country with a higher standard of living before fidel took over.
allahsuxdicks 2 years ago
Hey
allahsuxdicks You lie you are a punk kid you know dickl yes people died
and Then you are Bastista lover.
The mob ruled cuba and Bastista was a cruel puppet of crooked american politican and mafia pals
You are what your name implies.
BigHornCanyon 2 years ago
Batista, the leader of Cuba before Castro, was used to rubbing elbows with the Mafia and people like Meyer Lansky. He had mansions in Florida while the majority of Cubans were dirt poor, with no electricity or runnimg water, while his police force was busy killing or beating people in the streets, while he advocated the opening of brothels and prostitution. Higher living. yeah, if you ignore the dispossed and peasants. Just say so.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
los che geuvara lynch al gran hombre
MrZzz54321 2 years ago
estos eran pareja no??? estos rojitos tienen tendencia a la homosexualidad
gabote82 2 years ago
ningun sistema economico - social - politico social funciona bien todos tienen un problema emm
didiguengue 2 years ago
perros comunistas
joserramo 2 years ago
Mas de 50 años esperando la verdadera revolucion, porque Cuba sigue siendo un mal ejemplo, y Venezuela empezando sus 10 primeros años de "revolucion". El pueblo unido si es vencido si en su mayoria abunda la ignorancia y el conformismo. Lo que han creado estas revoluciones son esas pestes de guerrillas en nuestro continente.
zzilm88 3 years ago
True socialists like "Che" Guevara believe you must kill those who oppose your movement. Kill them, limit freedom and liberities, and oppress the people.
allahsuxdicks 3 years ago
So you're basically saying that Bush is a commie?! :O
0cooLandGuest2 3 years ago
Spoken like true leftist suppresser of freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of association. Stalin, Tito, Mao, Lenin, Hitler (Nazionalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, National Socialist German Workers' Party) and all the other great leaders will salute your from Hell.
Oppress! Oppress! Oppress!
allahsuxdicks 3 years ago
Now it's Guevara, Bush, Stalin, Tito, Mao, Lenin and Hitler. Sorry man, but I think you got something really wrong in history class.
0cooLandGuest2 3 years ago
They are all in heaven. The same heaven that we are all going to in the end.
Frogstomp121 2 years ago
viva revulotion socialism will not die. comrades believe one day all countrıes will have socialist system believe it and fight fight for socialism
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jimmyratz 3 years ago
me dan pena los cubanos...solo saben hablar de revolucion...pero cual? corre el ano 2008...sy no os aveis dao cuenta...el cumunismo ha perdido...moris todos de hambre en vuestra isla,,,retrasada,,,i venis todos en europa...las mujeres hacen las putas pa vivir...y los hombres...se casan las viejas con dinero...que pena de raza........esto es tu revolucion!!!!!
ilmarchese75 4 years ago
lo que hace la ignorancia loco...
Octaviokoz 3 years ago
Lee más y opina después, ignorante!!!
charlysub 3 years ago
lee tu mas y date cuenta que en europa es como digo yo.....inorante seras tu...cabron....
ilmarchese75 3 years ago
Viva el CHE¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ Abajo el imperialismo Yanqui
metagalaxia 4 years ago
el socialismo es la esperanza de los pueblos oprimidos por el imperialismo.
johannetouma 4 years ago 4
I guess the author of the video never thought how popular it would get.
0cooLandGuest2 4 years ago 4
que viva la revolucionnnnnnnnnn
otocastro 4 years ago 2
Viva Cuba libre y soberana, abajo la dictadura comunista que oprime al pueblo cubano.
tcguy999 4 years ago
Viva la Revolucion!!!
Venceremos!!
rctvsefue 4 years ago 2
what is the first song called?
dpstq 4 years ago
nycjamie your silence is the defeat of a capitalist propagandist-Long Live Socialism! Freedom for Ireland! Freedom for all small countries from Capitalist Imperialism!
southerngooner 4 years ago
Silence? I never recieved an email about your reply. My silence is that, not the defeat of capitalist propaganda - because it's not propaganda, it's objective reasoning based on the empirical truth. I know all about the welfare system in Britain, the charvas addicted to welfare, the council estates, entire generations with no hope or motivation. I know about the NHS - recent BBC headline talked of "3rd world conditions" in Welsh service. You already have "user pays" it's called TAXES idiot.
nycjamie 4 years ago
I did a year in the Territorial Army (playing soldiers on the weekend once every 6 weeks),in the u.k (and the commonwealth)just doin that qualifies yeh for the free university,anyway a few posts back you said you had traveled widely-come to the u.k and expereance even our limited and corroded social welfare system and Im sure it will vastly change your viewpoint-even the idea of user pays makes me feel uncomfortable
southerngooner 4 years ago
Deliberatly targeting innocent members of the public because they happen to belong to a different religion is definatly wrong-the Loyalist Terrorists,PSNI and the brit hun soldiers do it every day,the stupid BNP neds do it evry day in the u.k and the Yank soldiers in Irak do it every day-your comment bout th' bomb thrown at kiddies was all propaganda-you do realise tht the SAS dress up as republican Provos and commit atrosities against there own people to put bad press on to the Republican cause
southerngooner 4 years ago
The US and UK does NOT deliberately target civilians in Iraq. Please grow up. And the bomb thrown at kids was "propaganda"? OH WELL I'M SURE THAT WOULD HAVE MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE TO ANY KIDS IT MIGHT HAVE MAIMED. Please, spare me your childish conspiracy theories which sound even more ridiculous when you start them with "you do realize that"
nycjamie 4 years ago
no they dont deliberately target civilians but that doesnt stop civilians getting killed
risteardsean 4 years ago
And those civilians wouldn't get killed if the action wasn't necessary in the first place, ie if Saddam hadn't repeatedly ignored resolutions for him to disarm, and if he wasn't a psychopathic dictator who had already proven himself capable of using WMDs against his own people.
nycjamie 4 years ago
look its late here in ireland so im turning off my computer now. feel free to try and condone your actions.ill reply tomorrow,slan leat
risteardsean 4 years ago
I'll condone what needs condoning. I don't hold out any hope that your arguments will improve by tomorrow.
nycjamie 4 years ago
i hope you will leave iraq. blood for oil thats all it is a free ireland, a free iraq, a free palestine, a free basque country.
risteardsean 4 years ago
Blood for oil? - just an unsubstantiated leftist lie, like all of the other leftist lies. And really - do you think Iraq under Saddam was "free"? Palestine was offered totally acceptable terms before, and it refused them - that's because they are more interested in a holy war than any kind of objective agreement. You sound like the kind of kid who attaches himself to whatever "revolutionary" causes he can find without stopping to consider all the facts in their proper context. Typical lefty.
nycjamie 4 years ago
i stand by the people who have suffered like the irish
risteardsean 4 years ago
No, you're too young and naive to judge separate cases objectively, in their proper context and taking into consideration all of the facts. So you see ANYTHING through a simplified Marx-style "oppressed/oppressor" lens which causes you apply moral equivalence to every case which appears on the surface to resemble "the Irish problem".
nycjamie 4 years ago
i may be young but i know what right and wrong is. the basque people deserve independence. when a foreigner occupies a persons land and forces their way of life on them then i consider that opressed/opresser.
risteardsean 4 years ago
You sure don't seem to know the difference between right and wrong when it comes to the actions of the IRA.
nycjamie 4 years ago
didnt i say that some actions i dont condone
risteardsean 4 years ago
as i told you before i am anti violence whenever it can be solved that way. but in irelands case we needed to fight
risteardsean 4 years ago
Nobody needed to deliberately target innocent people going about their daily business. And I'll never forget the footage of the two soldiers accidentally taking a turn into an IRA funeral, and having a mob drag them out of the car, beat them to a pulp and then shoot them. It's at that point, I thought...ho ho, this is a bunch of SAVAGES and nothing more.
nycjamie 4 years ago
im not condoning that for 1 minute but look what the british forces have done to ireland. what about bloody sunday or internment ware they right to happen
risteardsean 4 years ago
Well my father worked with a British guy from Wallsend who served in the forces and was there that day, and he swears blind that the Irish started shooting first. Who to believe?
nycjamie 4 years ago
they were children, the oldest was 17. no guns were found on them. the irish threw stones and the brits picked out targets. they wanted to kill the next generation.
risteardsean 4 years ago
Oh yeah? DID THEY SEARCH MARTIN McGUINNESS ON THAT DAY TOO? Or maybe the Rossville flats? YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT THAT DAY. The oldest was 59, the youngest 17.
nycjamie 4 years ago
how many brit soldiers were killed that day,none.
risteardsean 4 years ago
Would you prefer that some Brit soldiers had been killed?
nycjamie 4 years ago
no. but if the ira had weapons that day and the soldiers felt threatened enough to kill, wouldnt you have thought that a soldier had been killed or even injured to warrant their actions
risteardsean 4 years ago
Well, of COURSE the IRA had weapons that day, as they always DID. The people killed were not IRA and did not have guns, but many people in the crowd had all sorts of other weapons and were throwing rocks at the British. When someone fired shots at them (McGuinness?), they saw themselves under attack from the crowd and started firing back. It happens. Not pretty, but it happens.
nycjamie 4 years ago
how insulated the people of the us are, please realise that people who fight - fight for a reason - not just for the sake of it, protection is a primeval instinct - its time to realise you are not in kansas anymore toto
risteardsean 4 years ago
There is "fighting" and there is deliberately targeting innocent people in measured acts designed to cause as much fear, hatred and outrage as possible.
For instance, America has spent billions developing the most advanced technology on the planet so that when it carries out military operations, it can do so with the minimum possible civilian casualties.
nycjamie 4 years ago
fucking murderers.
risteardsean 4 years ago
Who - the IRA or the PLO?
nycjamie 4 years ago
do america not have neucleur weapons, hiroshama. why can your government have wmds and everyone else who has them is terrorists
risteardsean 4 years ago
yeah occupations
risteardsean 4 years ago
And yes, protection is a primeval instinct. That's why the US was totally justified in invading a country which UN inspectors said contained thousands of unaccounted for WMD's. Inspectors from one of the most anti-American organizations on Earth outside of the Middle East, said that Saddam had WMD's. And the US had every right to act.
nycjamie 4 years ago
the only wmd's found were in schools. compasses pencils etc., weapons of maths instruction
risteardsean 4 years ago
aha....haha.....ahahahahahaha....hhahahah.....HA.
But seriously, how do you explain the fact that the UN had concluded for a DECADE that Saddam had a huge WMD program? THEY, not the US, said that thousands of tons of chemical agents were "unaccounted for", as an example. What the hell was the US supposed to do about that, after the UN had basically said "well we can't do anything about it"? IGNORE IT?
nycjamie 4 years ago
well act in north korea and i might respect yoy
risteardsean 4 years ago
What the hell are we going to do, militarily, about a dictatorship that has nuclear weapons. INVADE? So you'll only respect the US if it sparks a nuclear war with totalitarian Communist tyranny. Well shoot, it don't look like you'll ever respect us. Oh well.
nycjamie 4 years ago
did you say that i know nothing of irish history. what period do you want me to explain,catholic emancipation, home rule, 1798 rebellion, 1916, the tan war. ask me anything about them. even grattans parliament or the anglo-irish treaty signed in early morning 6 dec.1922
risteardsean 4 years ago
Yes yes, anyone can load up a Wikipedia page. Pity it didn't stop you from claiming that the oldest Bloody Sunday victim was 17.
nycjamie 4 years ago
i fucking studied irish history for 6 years you fool ill answer you i a second
risteardsean 4 years ago
You studied Irish history for 6 years but you still didn't know a basic fact about the victims of Bloody Sunday, i.e. their general age range.
nycjamie 4 years ago
ask me anything arsehole. americans are thicks. eyerland, im eyerish
risteardsean 4 years ago
Like I'm going to give you a test question over the internet, with you sitting there all hooked up to Google and everything.
nycjamie 4 years ago
write then swear on my life i will answer honestly
risteardsean 4 years ago
Wow, an anonymous person "swears on his life" to me over the internet. I couldn't ask for a better reassurance.
nycjamie 4 years ago
now i didnt swear on my life.
risteardsean 4 years ago
I guess I must have hallucinated the words "swear on my life" written by you a few posts down.
nycjamie 4 years ago
do you know that they think they found oil off of irelands west coast. does that mean that your army will invade ireland in order to sort out the peace process
risteardsean 4 years ago
And that, officially, is the "bottoming out" of your intellect. I have to say, a defining characteristic of those on the left is to show a complete inability to see things in their proper context. Which is why comments like yours ultimately ensue. Take some pride in what you say!
nycjamie 4 years ago
opposition to war isnt right and left. what do you mean by saying i dont see things in proper context. i try and understand world problems. you think that the proper context is your view. i support occupied people because i am descended from them
risteardsean 4 years ago
When you attempted to claim some kind of equivalence between the situations "finding oil off the coast of Ireland" and "ousting a crazed dictator who had defied the world in their demands for him to stop his WMD program and who harbored many terrorists and funded many terrorists", you not only didn't see the things in their proper context, you didn't understand the most fundamental differences about them at all.
nycjamie 4 years ago
nycjamie your quite insulated in ye nice safe world in america aint ya-which is why I think you take such a imperialist,condesending and rightwing 'combatitive' aproach to answering peoples comments-similar to your governments attitude to the world-and please give one example of Saddam funding terrorists
southerngooner 4 years ago
I've likely traveled and lived in more countries than you, southerngooner, no insulation here. Socialist views are usually the result of educational insulation - being exposed to only one point of view from professors, etc, and rarely hearing the opposite view. My opinions are as the RESULT of the variety of my education, my social circles, etc.
nycjamie 4 years ago
There is nothing "imperialistic" about my views at all, this is just a word thrown around thoughtlessly by people who, like I say, have led relatively politically isolated lives. And I love the way that, seeing me winning the argument again and again, you ascribe my intellectual assertiveness as "right wing" and "combative". I'll say one thing about you lefties, you sure know how to make a bloke laugh.
nycjamie 4 years ago
And the Iraq Survey Group found that Saddam had been partly funding the PFLP, a splinter group of the PLO, which has launched hundreds of terrorist attacks against Israel. He also provided millions to the families of suicide bombers who attacked Israel.
nycjamie 4 years ago
Saddam funded the PFLP, a PLO splinter group, with millions. He also provided funding for the families of suicide bombers who had launched suicide attacks on Israel.
nycjamie 4 years ago
Sorry for duplicate, page refresh didn't show up my last post so I posted it again. Sorry if this seems right wing and combatative.
nycjamie 4 years ago
look jamie i have no problem with you, i want a free ireland and i have the greatest sympathy for opressed people.
risteardsean 4 years ago
I will hope that show the same concern to the poor oppressed people of Cuba, who are trapped in time on an island which has been crippled by impotent Communist economics. In fact, spare a thought for people living under Communism and other forms of Socialism, because they are some of the most oppressed people in the world.
nycjamie 4 years ago
look im not a bad person. ireland was exploied for 800 years. the wealthy british landlords had everything and the irish had nothing, for irish people socialism has meant fairness
risteardsean 4 years ago
Who said you were a bad person?
And what aspects of Ireland do you consider "Socialist"?
nycjamie 4 years ago
i didnt say that you called me a bad person. on the surface ireland is a capitalit state. but we have strong social instiuitions. our taoiseach, bertie ahern recently said he was a socialist, the old ira fought for a socialist republic. unmarried mothers and the unemployed get a lot of money from the government. trade unions are almost stronger than the government
risteardsean 4 years ago
So it's not really socialist at all. It's a welfare state that's funded by the proceeds of Capitalism, like Britain. It doesn't matter what people say they are. The mayor of London Ken Livingston is a Trotskyist. I don't think the workers own Harrods yet.
nycjamie 4 years ago
how can anyone be against the idea of the welfare state?-please explain the point of paying taxes if you are also expected to pay for such basic rights as health care-education etc.thank fuck I wasnt born in america!-also whats wrong with giving money to the families of palestinian suicise bombers surely thats not illegal,they are fighting for the freedom of their illegally occupied country after all
southerngooner 4 years ago
Neither health care nor education are "basic rights". I am against the idea of forcing Peter to pay for the life of Paul. It is morally wrong to force one person to sacrifice a part of their life for another. The welfare state does nothing but create an underclass of parasites who are addicted to state dependence and free handouts. It's grotesque.
nycjamie 4 years ago
What's wrong with giving money to the families of terrorists? It's directly encouraging terrorism, that's why. The Palestinians have no case against the Israelis, you don't know the first thing about the history of Israel and Palestine. They have been offered adequate solutions 3 times and have refused, because ultimately they detest Jews like Arabs did for thousands of years before Israel.
nycjamie 4 years ago
OMG-an underclass of parasites?,are you crazy! lol your arguments have degenerated to the point of hilarity.Its not about forcing Peter to Pay for the life of Paul,its about basic rights-your system is the unworkable one as unfortunate people slip through the cracks-no doubt intentionally.If any country with the social welfare system went user pays there would be Mass! rioting in the streets
southerngooner 4 years ago
Yes, an underclass of parasites, addicted to welfare. Crazy? That's PRECISELY the result of every welfare state in existence. You don't know a damn thing about "basic rights" - expecting another person to sacrifice themselves for you is not a basic right, its an atrocity. If YOU want to pay for people most of whom refuse to work and who settle into life on welfare for the duration, then fine, YOU do it. DO NOT expect me to want to contribute.
nycjamie 4 years ago
Wow, you are a Nazi! So in your opinion people shouldn't pay to help the disabled or orphans? Why not kill them instantly so you don't have to contribute to that "atrocity"? Hahaha,I hope your beloved capitalism rapes you to parasitedom.
0cooLandGuest2 4 years ago
First sign that I'm arguing with an immature child with little education - they call me a Nazi. Every time. Whenever a naive, dumb leftist child disagrees with someone, or thinks they're "mean" in some way, they call them a Nazi, as if that word were some kind of magic sword that could win debates without every having to pick up a book and learn a fact. I don't see why I should have to deal with the rest of your comment, but I will anyway.
nycjamie 4 years ago
It is not my opinion that "people shouldn't pay to help the disabled". That is a bare faced LIE, told by a child who thinks that people with different views than him are "Nazis". The truth - I do not think anybody should be PHYSICALLY FORCED to pay for people they don't agree to pay for. If you wish to extort $100 from me to pay for someone "in need", then WHO THE HELL ARE YOU to presume that the needs of my family are not more important to me? PLEASE CAN WE HAVE SOME ADULT COMMENTS HERE NOW?
nycjamie 4 years ago
you said that i might be a nazi before, because i had different views. that is hypocriticle
risteardsean 4 years ago
LOL what the hell is this? Where's Mr Blobby? Come on now, this has turned into a FARCE.
I never ONCE accused you of being a Nazi. You complained about being accused of Communist views, so I said that no, I just think you're an anticapitalist which could theoretically mean a lot of things including fascist, and then you whined "hey I'm not a nazi lover" and so I set you straight and explained that I never said any such thing. And now you're STILL whining about that? GET OUTTA HERE! Lol.
nycjamie 4 years ago
you said that i must be a fascist or nazi before when i said i wasnt a communist. you are still whinging about heartless socialism, give it a rest
risteardsean 4 years ago
Risteardsean, I'm going to give you the exact quote just to nip this crap in the bud. I'm tired of people talking sh*t on the internet, when the truth is there if you can be bothered to look for it.
"When did I say you WERE a Communist? You are, however, anticapitalist, which either makes you a leftist of some description, or even a fascist."
Some ways off accusing you of being a Nazi.
nycjamie 4 years ago
And I'm not "whinging about heartless socialism", I'm simply correcting the warped logic of people who think it's a good idea.
nycjamie 4 years ago
lol I guess you wont be attending the 2007 Marxism festival international rally
southerngooner 4 years ago
A bunch of losers in berets standing in groups holding Che Guevara signs jumping up and down extremely fast screaming "VIVA LA REVOLUTION" while someone bangs a drum? No thanks.
If I wanted to go see a convention of geeks and losers living in the past, I'd sooner go to an X-Files convention, it's more entertaining.
nycjamie 4 years ago
Hehe you wanna correct warped logics? Hehe,warped logics like socialism = fascism, China/USSR are communist although there has never been communism at all and the best of ur jokes:"all companies want to provide best goods at the lowest prices" of yours? :D
Stop the whining,you can't blame socialism for you not getting a chick.
0cooLandGuest2 4 years ago
Yes, all companies want to produce the best goods at the lowest price. It's called gaining the largest share of the market, and something so simple an idiot could understand it. It's the reason why things have become progressively better and cheaper over the decades. Socialism is indeed similar to Fascism, and China and the USSR are/were indeed Communist countries. I think it's way past time OcooLandGuest2 had anything adult to say.
nycjamie 4 years ago
here indeed again nycjamie your information is befuddled,yes things have got cheaper for the rich desposable consumer driven economies-they pay less for cheap tat and some poor soul in a sweat shop somewhere in the east makes 5p an hour!cheap imported crap from countries that have coolie labourers should be banned!.Anyway,Facism(the corporate state)is indeed similar to Corporate CAPITALISM!
southerngooner 4 years ago
This is just so ridiculous and childish - fascism is nothing to do with "corporate capitalism" at all. You lefties simply love tarring anything to do with Capitalism with the "Nazi" brush, and it gets tired especially since Nazism had more in common with Socialism than Capitalism.
nycjamie 4 years ago
And for your information, things have gotten cheaper for everyone in Capitalist countries, which is why even very low income families have color TV's, DVD players, microwaves, Playstations etc. In fact they live better than a king did 500 years ago. That "sweatshop worker" if he is working for an American company will usually get 5 to 6 times the average minimum wage, which is why people FLOCK to work in such "sweatshops" of their own volition.
nycjamie 4 years ago
Yes in its infancy whilst still under the control of the leftwing revolutionary Strasser brothers,the Germen National Socialist Workers Party had many things in common with what we would call socialist today,but after Hitler got complete control,the party became evil and corrupt and in league with International Finance,the Big Industrialists and the Big Money Combines. O.K! since 1935 socialism has had nothing to do with that scum!
southerngooner 4 years ago
Right,wow,finally some facts here.
0cooLandGuest2 4 years ago
What facts? How about some damn COMMON SENSE?
nycjamie 4 years ago
I'm not talking bout you nycjamie, I'm takling bout southerngooner. I've never seen some facts in your posts, just some ignorant, wannabe-manipulative, pseudo knowledge.
0cooLandGuest2 4 years ago
This isn't an argument, it's just the desperate posturing of a kid who doesn't really know what he's talking about.
nycjamie 4 years ago
I assume its me thats doin the 'desperate posturing' a small step down for me from writing my 'moral blank checks for socialism',all me debates here are well constructed,factual,and consise-once again your rebukes are becomin combatitive and unwieldy nycjamie.
Ye no nout bout me pal so cut it wit the wild generalisations like
southerngooner 4 years ago
What rot! I have, to date, to see ONE intelligent or objective argument from you. I know you're a Socialist, and as such smitten with an adult fairy tale which has no basis in real life. And here pal, divvent be getting aal provincial with me son, ye radge bastid. lol.
nycjamie 4 years ago
LOL - so the Nazi party was "revolutionary" when you believe it "had things in common with Socialism" but then it got taken over by the devil, Hitler, who turned it into an evil tool of Capitalism. Nice Socialist fairy tale, son! By the way, capitalizing the words of "International Finance" and "Big Industrialists" - nice touch, really gives your post that "pamphlet" feel.
nycjamie 4 years ago
You will agree nycjamie tat Stalinism is streamlined socialism and that Fascism is streamlined capitalism?
southerngooner 4 years ago
No I would not agree at all. Fascism is all about a centrally controlled economy, which has nothing to do with Capitalism. Distribution, income, production and pricing of goods and services are determined by the free market under Capitalism, and individuals have the full right to property. Under Fascism, all those things are determined and controlled centrally, ie the OPPOSITE of the free market.
nycjamie 4 years ago
"centrally controlled economy" ehm, no. Neither Hitler nor the NS-party controlled the ways of production, no company was nationalized. Hitler and the companies had a collaboration and with capitalist idiots in France and at Wall Street there was nothing to lose for both parties.
0cooLandGuest2 4 years ago
This is just such bullshit - the Nazis had a totally centralized means of production in which prices and wages were fixed by them. There was no free market. The Nazis were not Capitalists.
nycjamie 4 years ago
Bullshit, you don't even know what centralized means of production are. The 3rd R had still large banks, private large scale and armaments industry.
0cooLandGuest2 4 years ago
And for most of its industry, it imposed control over prices, wages and distribution. Nazi Germany was not a Capitalist country in any sense of the term.
nycjamie 4 years ago
National Socialist Germany (i find it an abuse that they continued with the word socialist)was the super capitalist country of the world-has there ever been a more capitalist nation?
southerngooner 4 years ago
A planned economy with incomplete property rights is not "capitalism".
nycjamie 4 years ago
Yes thats what I said,it was Jamie that said that NS had much in common with socialism,I just pointed out that the NS was left wing until the purge of the SA-thats when it became Facistic.
southerngooner 4 years ago
Left wing - right wing. It's not a horizontal line running left to right, it's a curved upwards into a near circle so that from the far left, it's just a short little hop across to the far right. Collectivism vs Individualism. Serfdom vs freedom.
nycjamie 4 years ago
yes yes I agree in the circle description and that its all about Collective good vs selfish individualism,however the planned economy is not incompatible or foreign to capitalism,Government planning for the greater good is simply taken over by selfish big money combines-the worst example would be modern America-also their antiquated system of states with a patch work of conflicting competition laws lends itself to state corporatism
southerngooner 4 years ago
Not really, since the more planned an economy is, the further away it is headed from abrogating basic property rights, and hence Capitalism. "selfish big money" do not plan for the "greater good", as they should not because no such "greater good" exists. All the worst aspects of corporate America are largely down to the parasitical relationship between government and business in a mixed economy.
nycjamie 4 years ago
I meant headed TOWARDS abrogating basic property rights and hence AWAY FROM Capitalism.
nycjamie 4 years ago
what? "a short hop across to the far left or right","parasitical relationship between government and buiseness in a mixed economy",your not contemplating crossing the floor are you comrade?
southerngooner 4 years ago
Yes, there is a parasitical relationship between government and business in a mixed economy. Corporate welfare, for instance. It should be ended immediately. What does this have to do with hopping?
nycjamie 4 years ago
on a slightly different theme whats yer opinion on American Soldiers etc,after they leave the Army getting there Uni education payed for by the government? surly ya dont see that as parasitical
southerngooner 4 years ago
No, we shouldn't pay for their education, we should just pay them a better wage for risking their lives for us, which of course we could do if the only role of the government was to protect us from physical coercion. Soldiers should get paid a ton of money for what they do. Then, they are free to decide whether or not to spend those earnings on education or anything they like.
nycjamie 4 years ago
"Streamlined Capitalism" is when the government keeps its hands off the free market and thus allows capital to flow in its most efficient way possible.
"Streamlined Socialism" is Stalinism, yes if you wish to believe that. Centralized planning is a characteristic of Socialism just as it is a characteristic of Fascism.
nycjamie 4 years ago
What do you call a "very low income family" you stupid SOB? And damn thousands of homless living in capitalism do not have DVD Players or TVs.And there's sure no King who would ever exchange servants or food for a barrack and a 12" TV.
0cooLandGuest2 4 years ago
Well firstly, nobody is homeless through the "fault of Capitalism". When you have a system of freedom in which the individual is responsible for himself, of course you're going to see some homeless people. Many end up on the streets regardless of help offered them, many because of drugs and other problems. Socialism has caused more misery and poverty and starvation than has ever been suffered by homeless people in the West.
nycjamie 4 years ago
A "very low income family" in a Western Capitalist country is still better off than most in a non-Capitalist country. And I'm very sure that most Kings from 500 years ago would enjoy central heating, air conditioning, indoor plumbing, modern technology and especially access to modern health care, none of which was available even to kings, pre capitalism.
nycjamie 4 years ago
No "very low income family" enjoys central heating,air conditioning,(..) and especially access to modern health care. If you don't have the money you get NOTHING.
"A "very low income family" (..) country is still better off than most in a non-Capitalist country."-Very low income like selling chewing gum on the streets? No health care and nobody would offer them a min-wage job.
->A cuban friend of mine got herself new boobs with her FREE cuban healthcare in NON-CAPTLST CUBA.
0cooLandGuest2 4 years ago
Bah damnit are you that stupid? You don't gain the largest share of the market by "providing best goods at the lowest price",you never did.Companies have underage beater for a reason,there's no intention of quality there and cartel offices/antitrust agencies aren't just sitting around n posting stupid sh*t on youtube like you do,there's no company that is stupid enough to offer the lowest price for all its goods.
0cooLandGuest2 4 years ago
In a truly free Capitalist market, you do indeed get the biggest market share (and keep it) by providing goods at lower prices. Phrases like "underage beater" lead me to think you're only semi-literate. Antitrust agencies are a disgrace, there is no need for them at all. Prices have been dropping constantly since the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. A computer that would have cost millions 20 years ago is now a couple of thousand, for example. This is elementary stuff.
nycjamie 4 years ago
"Antitrust agencies are a disgrace"-nother statement that proves you have no idea what ur talking about.
"A computer that would have cost millions 20 years ago is now a couple of thousand"-That's just because the production procedure is damn expensive and everyone wants to earn big cash(the scientist,silicon manufacturer...).In true Communism the same computer would have cost (then and now) 0.
0cooLandGuest2 4 years ago
Firstly, yes, antitrust is a disgrace. There is absolutely no reason to break up a monopoly that has been achieved fair and square without foul play or government intervention. The government's action against Microsoft was (is) outrageous. Under Communism a computer would have cost $0? I really don't know who to feel sorry for, you or those that know you. It just gets dumber and dumber.
nycjamie 4 years ago
If people riot in the streets because hard working people have decided they aren't going to sacrifice themselves for them any more, then that is something which has to be dealt with by the authorities. You call me crazy for calling them an underclass of parasites, and yet right after that you're proving what I say by depicting them as a bunch of riotous savages who will kill anyone who stops feeding them.
nycjamie 4 years ago
i find that insulting that you think i wouldnt answer fairly. irish history is my passion. gratan wanted an irish parliament to control irish affairs, wolfe tone wanted to unite catholic, protestant and dissenter under irishman. r.emmet wanted to destroy the union in 1803, butt and parnell wanted home rule.. sinn fein in 1905 wanted a dual monarchy, but on 1919 proclaimed dail eireann, parliament of the irish republic, the main reason behind the civil war was dominion status and not partition
risteardsean 4 years ago
that was off my head, honestly
risteardsean 4 years ago
OK, so you know about Irish history. But that really is irrelevant to the question of whether or not it's a good idea for the British army to pull out of Northern Ireland now.
nycjamie 4 years ago
Nycjamie-I just went threw all ye comments tru tis utube
ting-r ye a university lecturer,in the US-I think its called a dean?-you obviously have major tertiary education behind ye-but why are ye so bitter?
southerngooner 4 years ago
Don't you see? His answering almost everyday, sometimes instantly => He has no firends...
0cooLandGuest2 4 years ago
Like I say, keep trying.
"He has no friends" just doesn't cut it.
nycjamie 4 years ago
Actually, I have no formal education. Attempting to gain one would have probably sent me through the slaughterhouse of Marxist indoctrination and diminished my ability to think rationally, as I see in so many college students these days. I'm not bitter at all, unlike those who believe in the adult fairy tales of Socialism and Communism and who have seen them all fail so miserably.
nycjamie 4 years ago
well they have pulled out. the last soldiers left crossmaglen, south armagh last week
risteardsean 4 years ago
Wow you are giving in, did you finally recognize your ingorance? ^^
0cooLandGuest2 4 years ago
Giving in what? What ignorance? You have yet to score ONE point against my arguments. Keep trying.
nycjamie 4 years ago
when i saw a clip of an iraqi village and a baby killed by an american bomb, i thought does mr bush and his army still have god on their side
risteardsean 4 years ago
You could theoretically produce a video of any conflict at any time in history and say "did they have god on their side", regardless of whether or not that military action was justified or not. You could also produce thousands and thousands of such videos of Saddam's atrocities during his reign of terror, theoretically.
nycjamie 4 years ago
well well well nycjamie you dont stop with the imperialist propaganda do ya tis really quite amazin like pal-Long Live Castro!Long Live the Socialist Idea!,anyway this Ireland buiseness-do you yanks consider the IRA a terrorist organisation? pity on you if you do-you do realise they are fighting for our rights and to give our country a socialist form of government which means freedom and equality for all!
southerngooner 4 years ago
yeah in his view it is ok to occupy a country but if the people fight back its terrorism
risteardsean 4 years ago
Deliberately targeting innocent members of the public because they happen to belong to another religion is not "fighting back".
nycjamie 4 years ago
after all your country has done to the world you are in no position to tell irish people how to govern their country. by your reckoning george washington was a terrorist
risteardsean 4 years ago
After all my country has done FOR the world, and even without, I have every right to express any opinion on any subject matter I please.
nycjamie 4 years ago
and so do i
risteardsean 4 years ago
Firstly, Socialism has never ONCE in history meant "freedom and equality for all" in practice, nor can it ever. Secondly, every act of terrorism carried out by "revolutionaries" has been justified by evoking some kind of "social justice". This writing of moral blank checks is the reason why collectivism always ends in mass slaughter and thirdly - Castro is nearly dead and the "Socialist ideal" died years ago.
nycjamie 4 years ago
not in ireland, sinn fein are stronger than ever. even when castro dies cuba wont revert to capitalism
risteardsean 4 years ago
No, when Castro dies, Cuba will continue to hold its inhabitants hostage on an island with no way to improve their economic situation because of a failed economic ideology which keeps everything in a time warp. Poor bastards, what they need is CAPITALISM.
nycjamie 4 years ago
who killed more civilians, the u.s or the ira
risteardsean 4 years ago
That's just such a stupid, childish comparison to make. Who saved more civilians in the long run, the US or the IRA.
nycjamie 4 years ago
do you think that the ira of 1916-1922 were terrorists
risteardsean 4 years ago
Maybe so, maybe not - but the IRA that deliberately targeted innocent civilians WERE terrorists.
nycjamie 4 years ago
lets be honest jamie you have killed more than you have saved. anybody who questions the war on iraq is thought of as been a traitor.
risteardsean 4 years ago
"Let's be honest"? - you wouldn't know the meaning of the word. You're making cliched anti-American statements based on nothing more than conjecture.
nycjamie 4 years ago
well nycjamie you obviously know nothing about the struggle in divided Ireland,and yeh seem to be blind to the fact that Capitalism is Facisms poor relation and yeh statment tat The British Empire was this Great enlightied thing is laughable-are you a admirer of President Bush by chance? lol!!
southerngooner 4 years ago
Southerngooner, simply saying "you are blind to the fact that...." and then repeating the same fallacies I'cve already dealt with, well that's not a particularly effective argument to make.
nycjamie 4 years ago