I don't believe in eternal hell as most would imagine, I'm a Christian and can show Biblically that the Hell or Sheol is simply the grave. No one is in "hell" right now. However one day all people who ever lived will stand before God and give an account of their deeds and all of us deserve the Second Death, annihilation, but a good number will be given eternal life by their testimony of faith in Jesus Christ as a propitiation for this sins. People know that evil things are worthy of judgement.
@Masaries1234 and can you explain how you know this? What method of aquiring this knowledge about how the universe works did you use? Do you "know" it because the bible says so? Did god tell you? Did you perform some test to uncover and verify this knowledge?
You're asserting something extraordinary that's difficult to believe so you better make darn sure you have some darn good evidence to back it up....evidence that is independantly verifiable and not based on desire to believe.
@taz81848 You said "The theory of evolution has nothing to do with the origin of the universe.
You obviously have a woefully insufficient grasp of what the theory of evolution actually entails."
So the theory of evolution says nothing about how the universe got here? But theory posits that over billions of years life formed on this planet, so the Universe must have been here billions of years ago. We don't know how we got here, but we know that billions of years ago life started to form?
@Masaries1234 The theory of evolution doesn't even say anything about the age of the earth, but according to the evidence and dating methods we have, which is consistent with geology, cosmology and other fields of science, shows that the earth is atleast 4.5billion yrs old and the life started some 3.5 billion years ago. Evolution simply explains how life can change by the mechanism of natural selection. Thats it.
Put it like this...the big bang theory, some scientists think that it happened(some think they know it happended) others are not so sure it happened because no one knows for sure what happened because we werent there.
GOD- Most christians think hes real...(i know he is real) but even some have there doubts because they are unfaithful but we are not GOD so we cant speak for GOD or say what he is or isnt because we aren't him the only way to find god is to seek god
@MrFIJIBULA 1) We gauge our knowledge through of the big bang via constantly changing cosmological progressions that we measure in light. When we look out at galaxies, the light is graphed as waves, the numerics on the graph and the run against a numerically based color coding chart. What they found is that all these galaxies are moving to the "red" end (also known as red shift) from prior. This indicates that space is stretching like raisin bread and each planet is a raisin. cont...
@MrFIJIBULA 2) If you were standing on a raisin, the others would appear to be moving while you stood still. This stretch happened (until evidence shows otherwise) because of a "bang" as we so in-eloquently put it. A logically fallacious idea is we need to have be there. The light we measure is very old, this is why they say cosmology is like looking at a time machine. In 2013 they are going to launch a satellite better and further than Hubble's upgrades 2 see if they can detect the first bang.
claims to know more than they actually can. How can you possibly know what you are saying is true? That's 1 problem I have with "believers" or whatever you call yourself. How do you actually know what you are saying is true about the Amoeba and densification of energy from god is true? Again, I don't "know" that you are wrong, I just don't see any reason to believe it or how you "know" atheists are wrong?
The last comment about the us standing in relation to god like an amoeba to a scientist again seems like a blind assertion without any evidence. We shouldn't go into situations thinking we already have the answers, all we can "know" is based onevidence and the evidence seems to suggest (no one claims to have disproved god) that god is unnecessary to cosmic creation and biological life. @ least one side of the argument is willing to admit they don't know everything and I trust that more than
"Even Energy is a densification from the highest state of God." This is just a statement and I don't see you offering up evidence of this like is demanded of us. Semantical arguments are not evidence. No one, including philosophy and neuroscience can know the full truth about free will or consciousness as a whole yet, but I can bet the answer will come from neuroscience and future fmri type of technology, not philosophy or religion.
EvenStar303 most of these arguments have been dealt with at great length.
"nothing from nothing" - Physicist Lawrence Krauss's book "A universe from Nothing" science doesn't define nothing as you do.
"sitting in a cave for 20 years..." Sam Harris (PhD in Neuroscience and bachelors in philosophy) has studied extensively with mystics and those who practice mediation for literally decades and once something has a natural explanation, it is no longer a "supernatural" claim and experience.
Nothing comes from nothing, because nothing by definition does not exist.
Nothing is an empty word that denotes the concept (only) of none-existence.
It does not refer to anything like other words do.
So everything is something, even God is something.
However God is imperceptible to the normal Human mind because God is so subtle that we are not equipped to perceive it. Even Energy is a densification from the highest state of God.
Even WILL is a densification, even Intent is a densification.
@EvenStar303 It is like asking the amoeba in the petri dish to perceive the intelligence and knowledge of the scientist who is looking at it through the microscope.
So the human mind sees nothing when it looks at God. Not because of God is hidden but because of the lack of faculty of the Human to perceive it.
You guys are like blind men asking the seer to demonstrate to him what light is.
No amount of logical explanation will do.
To have any kind of valid perception of GOD, you have to meditate for 10-20 years and develop your extra-sensory perceptions, one of which is the pineal-gland.
It is dormant in most humans.
Even the believers you are talking about have no direct experience of GOD.
That is why they are called believers, not knowers.
@themonk72 What are the facts of evolution? For a theory to become true, the experiment according to the scientific method must be repeatable. Ok, so repeat evolution for me. Any of you or go find a scientist and see if he can demonstrate that animals are evolving into different species. You hold to evolution because of your arrogance. Hey we might be a failed species, giraffes could evolve into a much more intelligent and complex creature. They don't have racism or warfare. Be a man, show proof
Common traits denote a common Creator not an evolution. Scientists still have been able to develop a synthetic blood sufficient enough to sustain human life but yet they would like you to believe they know how life began. Now as a logician, if evolution is indeed false this does not necessarily mean that the Christian view is correct. But evolution is a posed as a better replacement to the Christian world view and based on a bias towards man's continual improvement instead of seeing moral flaws.
The convenience of evolution to postulate there is no Christian God is overwhelming. Unfortunately, the theory does explain why the Universe would suddenly explode from an extremely hot focal point. Nor does the theory explain how for instance termites which have bacteria in them could exist when both the bacteria and termites are in a symbiotic relationship and therefore both must exist simultaneously. The ecosystem was built all at once, not over trillion and quadrillions of years.
@Masaries1234 "Nor does the theory explain how for instance termites which have bacteria in them could exist when both the bacteria and termites are in a symbiotic relationship and therefore both must exist simultaneously." Sure it does, you just don't understand the processes or the time involved. Your ignorance is not disproof of evolution, it's just proof that you're ignorant.
@Masaries1234 "The convenience of evolution to postulate there is no Christian God is overwhelming."
The two are not connected. The postulation of the Christian God is one postulation; the postulation and study of evolution is another postulation.
The assertion that you make is exactly backwards. Evolution is not a convenient way to deny the Christian God; but rather, the facts of evolution makes it inconvenient to accept the credibility of the postulations made about the Christian God.
Natural selection says a species can adapt to its surroundings but does not constitute the species changing into another species. Atheistic scientists with a strict bias against the Christian world view like to suggest "Lucy" and other intermediary primates as evolutionary evidence but they fail to show all the other millions of intermediary lifeforms, like fish turtles or cat chickens. Zero evidence. At the end of the day, Evolution is an childish schoolyard attempt to destroy Christians.
@Masaries1234 If you found a fish turtle or cat chicken, that would disprove evolution, not support it. To make such a statement displays your ignorance.
And before you call me a creationists or whatever you do, I'm not a creationists or any word. I'm not a label. I know what I know through personal experience and solid proof. I've read the Bible, I know real history of Jesus, I know the Bible is just a book made by the Roman Empire and Jesus was a spiritual teacher they killed and used to tell the story of Pisces(the age we're currently end; changes on Dec 21, 2012). Get up on knowledge. I've researched more about life than fat, bald fuck.
@WuffPakk7 That "Fat, bald fuck" is Matt Dillahunty, and he was studying to become a preacher when he realised Christianity was full of shit. If anyone knows anything about the bible and personal experience, it's him. Solid proof? Present your solid proof. Anecdotal evidence and hallucinations aren't evidence, before you say that.
You all get together and say there is no God and then say that makes you smarter than other people? Why don't you go do something smart instead of living on the same subject all the time lol? Anyone with a good brain would know there is more than the physical. Spirituality is very real, I have talked to my dead dad through a guy who meditates. He explained what he looked like, how he died, everything. My personal experience to you, open your mind and your's will become incredible. Peace.
@WuffPakk7 "Spirituality is very real" - Then demonstrate it. Simply asserting it doesn't make it so.
"I have talked to my dead dad through a guy who meditates." - Yeah, because those who claim to be psychic are NEVER con artists. Well, except all of them. ;)
@Angelalynx999 Go research it. Type "Chi/Qi Gong with DJ" and watch him set paper on fire with his hand with chi. Oh, this guy knew exactly what my dad looked liked and knew what shirt he was wearing when he was killed. The guy is a Spiritual Teacher/Scientist and does everything for free. Look up Matthew Wright on Facebook. He has long, blonde hair. Albert Einstein believed in a "spirit vastly superior to man" once he did the consciousness experiment.
@WuffPakk7 : The question is can they set it on fire under controlled conditions. My guess is no. And if they can they could get a million dollars from James Randi.
Just because you were gullible enough to believe it doesn't make it true. Again, what is the testable evidence that this person really can communicate with the dead?
It doesn't matter what Einstein believed, only what he could prove. And nothing spiritual has ever been proven.
@Angelalynx999 That's a bold comment to make. I didn't know you were a scientists and recorded every experiment in the world? That's ignorant dude. There is so much science proving spirituality now. You just don't want to believe so you don't. You don't look for it. You get on atheists loving videos and bash any believers lol, nice life. The testable evidence is "He explained my dad's life to me, I know it, he was 100% accurate".. That is personal proof. You have to find your own bro.
@MagnusNyborg You're suppose to be learning instead of telling someone who knows more about science than you they don't know anything about science. I know about Quantom Physics. I know a lot of things. I know you're a close minded, brain washed sheep who thinks Western science is right about everything. Eastern science is where the top scientists are now. Americans are all paid to do some bullshit and hold back. Russians are funded independently, that means they get to research whatever.
@MagnusNyborg You telling me I'm wrong doesn't make it so lol. Einstein's experiment on consciousness. Sacred Geometry. Quantom Physics. Qi Gong with DJ. The Third Eye/Pineal Gland. Look all of that up. Do some decent research. The Bible was meant to be read esoterically so that the common idiot wouldn't get it. "Meditate and let thine eye be single, and thy whole body shall be full of light." Meditation for enlightenment. It goes back to spirituality, they manipulate it with religion though.
@MagnusNyborg Words...? Denile. Close Minded. In a box. Un-creative thinking. Right brain using only. Controlled thinking... I could go on. You are a product of a system. You believe what you're told to believe. You message me back with two words again then you're a fuckin' idiot who likes to argue and insult with no point. When you idiots die and are in the spirit dimension remember this comment. Peace & Love.
@WuffPakk7 "You believe what you're told to believe"
And you dont? Let me ask you a very simple question about quantum mechanics.
Can you calculate the electron shell population of atoms? Thats basic QM. You said you knew Quantum Physics, so it must be easy for you to show this calculation.
If you cannot do one of the more simple tasks, there is no reason to believe you can do more advanced tasks (like independant thinking).
@WuffPakk7 "When you idiots die and are in the spirit dimension remember this comment." - And there's the phrase that every believer who cannot prove their delusions are true, uses. Thank you for showing yourself to be a typical, mindless follower. ^_^
@Angelalynx999 I'm not a typical, mindless follower dude you are... We're on a atheist video where yall get together and talk about how other people with other opinions are so much dumber than you all... And I'm the follower? I know what I know because I started doing research. My dad died when I was 7. I have talked to him through a psychic medium/spiritual teacher. He described exactly what he looked like, the shirt he had on when he died, and life memories. There is MY proof. You Idc about.
@WuffPakk7 : I didn't say that you were dumb. It's interesting that you would jump to that conclusion. Self image issues?
You keep bringing up your dead daddy like it should mean something to everyone else. Just because YOU believe it doesn't mean WE should believe it based SOLELY on your word. Now, if you can provide something that is TESTABLE and not anecdotal then we can discuss your beliefs. But since you obviously can't, because you would have by now, there is nothing to discuss.
@Angelalynx999 You put "there" for showing ownership you moron. You're obviously stupid so no point in talking to you about anything 'magic' to you caveman like atheists. Research the consciousness experiment with Einstein and his fellow scientists, and Sacred Geometry. Consciousness affects things more than anything. You're only hurting yourself though, start meditating and unlocking your potential. I do. I am trying to help you but you not listening will not affect me, only you. Peace & Love.
@WuffPakk7 : Ah, the desperate nit picking of the fool who STILL can't prove that his bullshit is real to anyone but his own, gullible self. Keep repeating that you're right and EVERYONE is wrong and maybe reality will shift and make it so! But I wouldn't suggest holding your breath.
Besides, you use "lol" and "wtf" so you're obviously a moron. ;)
@Angelalynx999 Oh and wtf do you mean controlled conditions? This was a documentary back in the 80's. No special effects or trick camera work, the guy focuses his energy(chi) on his hand and sets a piece of newspaper on fire with his energy only. That scientifically explainable? Because millions of people have watched it happen. You're just ignorant man, it's not that you're stupid, you just aren't aware yet.
@WuffPakk7 "the guy focuses his energy(chi) on his hand and sets a piece of newspaper on fire with his energy only." - And I know a guy who can remove part of his thumb and reattch it, "magically". That's all this is. People like James Randi have been exposing fools like these to the gullible people like yourself in an effort to keep you from being duped. And I would bet that this guy could not do this trick on something that was not prepared ahead of time with cleanly washed hands.
This is the most stupid bunch of idiots getting together and putting themselves on their high horses I've ever experienced. Quantum Physics, learn it. Albert E. was in an study that showed each scientist's consciousness was affecting the end results. Albert said "Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of the universe, a spirit vastly superior to man." Spirit is not a force, it is consciousness.
@WuffPakk7 Yes, but you cannot prove the identity of this spirit is a God, or YOUR God. Prove that, there you go. Einstein believed Religion to be a human invention.
@MajickDemoniack Sometimes 'evidence' is right in front of us, we're just not on the right "radio frequency" to see it yet. We're energy/vibration, energy can never be destroyed. Consciousness can't be destroyed. We are Gods to a certain extent. Get into the occult and secret societies, they know all about this stuff but keep it to themselves. Science is backing up spirituality now, if these idiots on this video would do research instead of talking down on other's they'd know this.
Proving religion is a man made invention is easy, but it does not prove that there is a "Creator or Consciousness".
"Consciousness can't be destroyed"? If I shoot you in the head your brain will cease to function. The electrical activity in your brain that accounts for your "consciousness" will cease to exist. Your consciousness will cease to exist.
Science is NOT backing up spirituality. Spirituality is just religion with the hierarchy..
@WuffPakk7 : Occults and secret societies still have to prove what they believe is real. So far not one has. And no, science is not backing up spiritually since there is no evidence that there are spirits or a spiritual realm. And when someone dies, their consciousness is gone. It is destroyed as far as we can tell.
It annoys me to no end when Creationists come up with the same invalid arguements over and over and over and.... I understand that you're preacher said it... Now get a second opinion. I didn't learn what I know by simply listening to a single teacher, I read books, went to lectures, and figured things out using my own flawed logic. Anyone who doesn't, I'm sorry... is lazy, or intentionally ignorant.
at the old time most people were illeterate, a chief with a strong personality and strong verbal capacities could influence most of people, as soon he walks everyone takes him as divine. Just a few gestuals and a toning voic and fire is enough to fool those kind of people. Religion is man made for social cohesion. I believe in the truth, this silent God is never silent when it comes to some freaks of the desert. Too many freaks see magic everywhere. They've always been useless to mankind!
You guys are all retarded if there exists a stupid human like you what makes you believe there is not god. You must be all brainwashed. But you will of course never meet god.
@toxicfart49 I was never told that there was a God, nor that there wasn't until around when I started to discover the internet and faced all these debates.
I never felt the presence of a God nor there a reason to believe there was one, maybe it was a long time until I even knew what it really was supposed to be.
So I don't believe in God and I was surely not brainwashed. Just not told about it.
If I lived in an old isolated society I would die without ever hearing about him.
@raydredX You would never contemplate the existence of everything and ask how and why are we here? I'd say this is ultimately why most humans inc. myself believe in a creator, the Universe seems to require more than a random accident.
@raydredX Laws generate patterns yes, but what generates laws so finely tuned that those patterns ultimately produce life intelligent enough to discover and ponder those laws? And is it just a mind blowing coincidence that this happened? If not, if it was done with intent and purpose, what laws do we know of that this would this violate?- that would force us to reject the idea entirely?
@GuyThreepwoody Finely tuned enough to produce intelligence? Intelligence is not common, it's extremely, extremely, extremely, (...) rare. And this intelligence needs around 10^28 atoms. The odds of some simple law interacting laws being able to produce intelligence EVER seems high even though the chances of producing it are low. And you need a massive amount of atoms.
Coincidence? As I said it's highly probable that it would eventually happen.
@GuyThreepwoody As for what laws it would violate. If you mean what laws would be violated in having a God creator? None. What forces us to reject the idea entirely? Nothing. I don't reject it entirely. It just doesn't seem to make sense according to what I've seen. It's possible that there is a God. I just find it more likely that one doesn't exist.
@GuyThreepwoody Also I told you that I could have never gotten to know about God and you then asked me if I had ever asked myself how and why are we here.
I'm a pretty curious guy. There are many people who don't care about questioning stuff. Does that mean they deserve to go to hell? No. Would that be what would happen if they didn't get to know about God? Yes. (or I should say probably. I don't know what your religious ideology is so I can't say for sure)
I think all theism starts with the same observation/conclusion I came to - that the Universe appears to exhibit design, purpose and meaning- I don’t think this is instantly obvious- it can be debated- just the conclusion I came to- From that point- many other questions are raised- why? what purpose, desire, goal did the creator have? what’s our part in it? so I think the idea of right/wrong in God’s eyes is logical- got to go- thx- may elaborate later- what's ur belief?
@GuyThreepwoody I don't think I agree on purpose and meaning but this is subjective anyway. What the purpose and the meaning mean.
As for the the design I do get surprised by the beauty of nature's laws, even though I don't know quantum mechanics yet. Bur if I start to wonder if they were designed by someone. I get the God of natural laws. And just that. And that God is just as good as the laws themselves rendering the notion of God useless/meaningless because it adds nothing.
@GuyThreepwoody I'm an atheist.I don't think that a God exists. For all that matters I don't agree with mysticism, superstition, religion, ghosts, quantum bullcrap (such as quantum healing). Supernatural in general.
The Higgs Boson was discovereed to a 2.6 sigma degree of certainty a few days ago. I find that absolutely mind blowing, so all though I know this isn't proof, it's really exciting. I just wanted to share that, because it's huge! (well it's actually really tiny, but y'know what I mean)
@xOnimpulsex I'm struggling to find my "box" I'm closest to being a deist if anything. I'd love to hear your' perspective. Fancy a PM convo & coffee? Seriously though, the likes or us are a real minority, so I'd like to know what you've got to say.
@MrLittletomdj Hey, thanks. Yes there are not many that are willing to see beyond the religious and scientific dichotomy and to maybe find some middle ground. Im definitely up for it. You'll have to bear with the fact that im not as knowledgable as i'd like to be on these subjects but im continually studying and i think it would be a great way to further my knowledge through dialogue.
@McSmYtHuRs they think that the moon is the left over material that was squirted out when during the early days of our solar system two planets collided to form earth
I find it slightly ironic that Matt Dillahunty pokes fun of attaching God to energy and the "baggage" being that it "really, really needs $20"... Yet at the end of several AtheistExperience videos there is a donation website. Is there a pot and kettle in this picture? Just thought it was worth mentioning...
@MM2241738 Do you really not see a difference between saying that an energy source ("GOD") needs $20 and a real actual human organization (Atheist Experience) needs $20? One is absurd, hence Matt's point. The other is par for the course for most human organizations. You really don't see the difference? No pot. No kettle.
@MM2241738 No, because he isn't claiming god needs $20, he is claiming that HE needs $20 to keep the show going. Unlike christian organizations, he isn't getting hand outs from the federal government nor is he getting the same tax free status as a church would get.
@qqqq1920 I agree, this is a very good question. I'd like to take a stab at it by asking, could the devil simply exist as another being that has been given a choice, just as we have? If God is really loving, fair and just, it would be uncharacteristic to annihilate anyone who opposes him. Instead, we are given the choice to question, to acknowledge/deny, to follow or walk away. If God didn't allow that choice, wouldn't he then be an oppressive, unfair dictator?
@MM2241738 If God didn't allow that choice, wouldn't he then be an oppressive, unfair dictator?
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The question of man's religious accountability, the sending of the Prophets, the proclamation of divine messages, and the principle of resurrection and judgment—all these rest on man's free will and choice in the acts he performs.
It would be completely meaningless were God, on the one hand, to compel men to do certain things and, on the other, to reward or punish them.
It would surely be unjust were the Creator of the world to set us on whatever path He chose, by means of His power and His will, and then to punish us for actions we have committed without any choice on our part.
If the deeds of men are, in reality, the acts of God, all corruption, evil and cruelty must be regarded as His work, whereas His most sacred being is utterly pure of all such corruption and injustice.
If there were no free choice for man, the whole concept of man's religious accountability would be unjust.
The oppressive tyrant would deserve no blame and the just would merit no praise, because responsibility has meaning only within the sphere of what is possible and attainable for man.
Man deserves blame or merits praise only when he is able to decide and to act freely; otherwise, there can be no question of blame or of praise.
In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
"Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from Error; whoever rejects Evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.
The Quran [2:256]
Surely We have created man from a small life-germ uniting (itself): We mean to try him, so We have made him hearing, seeing. [76.2]
Surely We have shown him the way: he may be thankful or unthankful. The Quran [76.3]
"Say: O people! indeed there has come to you the truth from your Lord, therefore whoever goes aright, he goes aright only for the good of his own soul, and whoever goes astray, he goes astray only to the detriment of it, and I am not a custodian over you."
The reason people can't define God is because that is not essential to their reason for what they call "believing". They don't believe in God. If you don't believe me, tell one of them you speak to an angel daily and see how quickly they try to have you locked up, or at least bring up the topic of the devil. No, what they are really doing when they "believe" is confirming their membership in what they perceive as the dominant culture.
Why be an Atheist? Why not just be Agnostic? Stop being so full of yourself and admit that there you cannot prove that there isnt a god, just like you can't prove that there is one.
@hanspeterpitsch Oh I do understand. I don't believe in god, but what is god? I don't think anyone really knows. I dont believe in Christians idea of God, but that doesn't mean that their couldnt be a higher power. I take an Agnostic approach when it comes to this subject. Agnostic Christianity is pretty interesting. You should look into it.
@ryanhashton Apparently you don't. (a)theism is about believe, (a)gnosticism is about knowledge. "I don't believe in god" there you go, you're an agnostic atheist. Atheism is not about proving god doesn't exist, nor does it make a positive claim "There is definitely no god", it's simply a lack of believe. So you're an atheist.
"Agnostic Christianity is pretty interesting. You should look into it." What do you mean by that? Sounds interesting but I don't get it.
@Raziel354 Nor do I. I dont believe in gods that look like us that live in the sky and control the world. But that doesnt mean that there cant be some type of higher power
@ryanhashton Most atheists are agnostic too. Agnostic is an incomplete stance. Agnostic vs Gnostic is what you know. None of us know whether or not there is a god. Theist vs Atheist is whether you BELIEVE. So you can be an agnostic atheist by saying I don't know if there is a god, yet I don't see a reason to believe in one. If someone put's a gun to your head and says "Is there a god? Check 'yes' or 'no'." the one you check in (a)theism. Whether you know for 100% sure or not is (a)gnostacism.
@ryanhashton Why? because I'm not dumb enough to base my life around something there is no proof for. Besides, disproving god is simple. IF THERE IS A GOD MAY HE STRIKE YOU DEAD. See, your still alive, god disproved. Stop being such a pussy and accept the fact you life means nothing, your thoughts mean nothing, and you will die and be forgotten.
If we don't have a current explanation for a wierd, unusual or strange event such as a sighting or physical manifestation it is medieval & infantile to give it a superstitious, religious or supernatural interpretation. If it's real, there is a known or yet unknown logical justification within natural laws and science will get to it sooner or latter! History has taught us a lesson on these matters.
God exists ---> Because the bible says so ---> How is bible true? ----> Because it's the word of god ---> How is it the word of god? ---> Because god exists ---> The cycle rambles on.
Does this representation of God come with any spiritual baggage?
The Creator has posted a video on YouTube. The message comes to you directly, without the need for transcription or interpretation by bronze-age scribes.
The video tells you how you came to be here, outlines the meaning and purpose of your life, and gives you an insight into the future of humankind.
Do me favor: Go to a rest home or a palative ward and ask a nurse or intern staff person the difference between someone that dies without faith and someone with faith in God . Trust me!!!theres a big difference,,ive seen it myself. The certainty in there demeanor before they die or uncertainty with someone with no faith in God. Everything is a whole lot different then my friend,when your in your death bed!
Not believing in God is rebelling against your creator. A fool in his heart says there's no God! The Devils master plan is to deceive you,,,read it...Your deceived!!! Don't underestimate the power of Satan,hes crafter then you think! Hes had 1000s of years of experience.As for Matt,he abandoned his once faith and his judgement will be greater on his day with his maker.Its says that too in the bible about Matt.
@flatop59 if there is no creator, it is also not rebellious to question his existance. Repeating nonsense dont make it true. Your repeated ignorance on subjects are only evidence for your ignorance, not of a creator.
@flatop59 not all christians agree with you, in fact there are lots of christians who would claim that you are not a true christian and do not represent them. Even soo, beying a deluded majority only means being a deluded majority, not being correct. Resorting to numerous exclamation points only shows that you are out of arguments and have lost.
Not to mention all the people who completly disagrees with you, believing in other gods or even in no gods. We are in majority over you.
@MagnusNyborg Not everyone who says to me Lord,Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven,but only who does the will of my father.Matt.7-21....That means fake christains or just people who call them-selves christains are not getting in heaven!!!!I would think Almighty God knows his true followers and on that day of judgment who gets in and who doesnt...Theres your answer!!!!
@flatop59 what relevance does your statement have if there is no god afterall? None. And if god was truly allmighty and allpowerfull, he wouldnt allow a book of such ignorance and immorality to be the representation of his words, he probably wouldnt allow a book to be written at all given how it can be misinterpreted by fools such as yourself.
@MagnusNyborg So,whats your point! Ive been around in life long enough to know theres a God and a Devil.Ive seen more evidence then you think pal. You'll never convince me otherwise period!!!!!yess period!!! Your choice is yours and mine is mime,,goodbye and good luck buddy! Last,,,when yr dead,,youll know!!!
@flatop59 you can still be misstaken, mental patients also have illogical beliefs and feels things that are not there. Ever considered that what you feel might just be yourself trying to assert yourself about what you deep inside know isnt quite realistic? You are still allowed to be ignorant.
And the unsupported threats again, since you are making gods judgement yourself you will go to hell within your theology. Way to please your god.
@MagnusNyborg Christ changes lives,,,seen it over and over,,,guess you havent,,,too bad for you.Athiests are thee most ignorant ive ever encountered,,,reason: they offer no hope for addiction and rely on self,,, in control...It dont work that way pal..God is centered or higher power in all addiction programs,,,not self...now is that ignorant??? Last,,,theres no hope in this world or the next without God at the center of ones life.You yourself,if you think your together,i highly doubt it !
@flatop59 treating people well changes peoples life also when no religion is involved, ever heard of something called 'confirmation bias'? You should look it up. It explains how a cure can be attributed to the wrong remedy.
Make shit up as you go along, that is what many christians do anyway, but pretty much all you claimed have non-religious counterparts that are the real cure. And someone who dont understand basic scientific knowledge shouldnt talk about ignorance...
@MagnusNyborg You should look up the word ((((((faith))))) buddy!!!!! If you dont like Christain,,shut up about it! Keep your no-nonsence to yourself and don't disprove what doesn't exist in your world. Theres more proof in God then you sitting there typing, there isnt!!YOU REBEL AGAINST THE ORDINCES OF GOD!!! Therefore you chose not to except it,,,plain and simple! When your in your dying bed,then you'll think ,,,maybe im wrong.Are you going to gamble your eternity on it???
@flatop59 i dont mind christians sitting at home and praying, or being in church. I do mind christians who go on internet spewing nonsense, like you do here.
Pascals wager is bullshit, there are 1000s of religions, all of wich provide the same amount of evidence that you do. They cannot all be right, but they can all be wrong. Until you provide evidence, you are assumed to be wrong.
@flatop59 you cant present evidence, because you dont have it. Faith is the ignorant persons way of bailing the burdon of proof, because faith inherently ignores any evidence to the contrary.
You dont have evidence, yet you want other people to become as ignorant as you. Pathetic!
@MagnusNyborg Funny you should say that,,because scores of people in Christs day witnessed him preform miracles and raise Lazerath from the dead and still disbelieved !!! Evidence??? Your no different...You chose to disbelieve because your rebellion is against the ordinances of God. For since the creation of the world and Gods invisable qualities,so men are without excuse.Romans 1-20. There's your answer!!!
@flatop59 witnesses with an agenda, where are the expected independant witnesses. There is a reason a court of law do not accept 'evidence' like this as evidence, and the bible has very little outside corroboration on these accounts. All that remains are unsupported claims, the same way that you claims shit.
Stop being the traditional loudmouth, irrational, ignorant xian that only want to hear himself. If your god existed, he would shake his head in despair.
@MagnusNyborg Why is there 24,000 transcripts of just the New Testament!!!! That more then any book in the history of the world!! And look up the word Scrib! How detailed there were.... theres more evidence on the bible then any book on the planet,,,period.Don,t argue with me ,,,(((court of law))),hahaha,,,what a knot head. Do your research or shut up!!! Or try reading the bible, ,, fool
@MagnusNyborg But you don,t have problems believing in the historical Roman Caesars??? Where do we get are info from? transcripts-scribes, archaeological findings ,,,not from one source either.You do know that,,, or do you not? Did you also know that the Caesars are also mentioned in the book you flat out deny.Now who is narrow minded , foolish and full of arrogance (Athiests)???
@flatop59 i believe he existed, because there are numerous independant verifications that he did exist, he left a trail in written history that included both opponents and proponents. I do however not believe all claims about him, I dont believe he was a god for one.
God only left trails with his proponents, sickophants that just want to believe what they believe. And once you start to checking the bible with respect to independent history, it falls appart very quickly.
@MagnusNyborg Answer me this: If Jesus Christ was a lier, lunatic and what ever else i've heard negative. Why did (BC-AD) time line calender used by his name and not one of the Caesars? Tells me, he must of being a pretty important historical figure and what he said, did with Pharisees,Scribs and Roman leaders that witnessed what he did at the time must be undoubtedly true . And rose from the dead 3 days later. Their were 500 witnesses to that event also.From Scribs!!!
@flatop59 for historic reasons, because europe was dominated by christians. History is however not evidence of the actual existence of jesus, only a reflection on the people at the time.
Answer me this, why is the supposed birth of jesus celebrated using a pagan tree, when it clearly says in the bible that following pagan rites (like cutting down a tree and chiseling it to fit inside a house) should be punished with death?
@MagnusNyborg huuuuuuuu! You didnt answer my question!!!pagan what! Dont go off on me pal with foolish jargon.Give me an intelligent answer,or dont waste your time and brain capacity with me,,got it!!! Answer my question...And tell me in detail what an ancient scribs did and how accurate they were? Then if your wrong,i dont want to hear your foolishness period.Go pick on a newbie Christian at your level of insults.
@flatop59 so you didnt know?! The celebration of christmas was originally a pagan tradition, that was adopted by christians as christianity spread around Europe. The celebration of winter solstice was 'converted' into x-mas as pagans got converted into xians, because they still wanted a celebration. Documented, read up on it.
Not only that, they also adopted the pagan tradition of cutting down a tree and celebrating it in their homes, not allowed according to Jeremiah 10:2.
@MagnusNyborg Ya and it was debased by the true church.The xmass tree was a German creation during, i think the 1800s.The bible nowhere mentions a xmass tree as celebration of Christs birth.
@flatop59 but christians do now. Christmas is now celebrated as the birth of jesus christ, and the christmas tree is in the center of this event. A pagan tradition, clearly, and ...:
"Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10"
"Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16"
Do you kill the people celebrating around a christmas tree?
@MagnusNyborg Yes it was old Testament Laws,,God had (((Zero tolerance too)) pagan worship that involved sacrificing children and extreme immoral practices,,,wouldn't you wipe them out and whole cities...BUT!!! God had grace and warned them to stop time after time,,,exp Sodom & Gomorrah.Lot couldn't find 10 just people ,and yes they were warned...Bottom line buddy,if you think God is unjust and you refuse to except him,so be-it!! good luck,,,im finished answering your questions.
I dont think he is unjust, i dont believe he exists in the first place, remember? But if he exists, this is the god you worship, and you should be ashamed of yourself for justifying such a failure of god.
He said he knows the cup exists, but, does he really know how the cup was made?
olgaking1 3 days ago
@olgaking1 yep--it was made in a factory--probably in China--lol
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I don't care about this, then why am i watching this? :P
santu662 4 days ago
I don't believe in eternal hell as most would imagine, I'm a Christian and can show Biblically that the Hell or Sheol is simply the grave. No one is in "hell" right now. However one day all people who ever lived will stand before God and give an account of their deeds and all of us deserve the Second Death, annihilation, but a good number will be given eternal life by their testimony of faith in Jesus Christ as a propitiation for this sins. People know that evil things are worthy of judgement.
Masaries1234 1 week ago
@Masaries1234 and can you explain how you know this? What method of aquiring this knowledge about how the universe works did you use? Do you "know" it because the bible says so? Did god tell you? Did you perform some test to uncover and verify this knowledge?
You're asserting something extraordinary that's difficult to believe so you better make darn sure you have some darn good evidence to back it up....evidence that is independantly verifiable and not based on desire to believe.
stiimuli 1 week ago 2
@taz81848 You said "The theory of evolution has nothing to do with the origin of the universe.
You obviously have a woefully insufficient grasp of what the theory of evolution actually entails."
So the theory of evolution says nothing about how the universe got here? But theory posits that over billions of years life formed on this planet, so the Universe must have been here billions of years ago. We don't know how we got here, but we know that billions of years ago life started to form?
Masaries1234 2 weeks ago
@Masaries1234 The theory of evolution doesn't even say anything about the age of the earth, but according to the evidence and dating methods we have, which is consistent with geology, cosmology and other fields of science, shows that the earth is atleast 4.5billion yrs old and the life started some 3.5 billion years ago. Evolution simply explains how life can change by the mechanism of natural selection. Thats it.
DoubterApe 2 weeks ago
@Masaries1234 the theory of evolution is that change over time occurs... Nothing more, nothin g less. now go read a book.
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@Masaries1234 you are correct when saying "the theory of evolution says nothing about how the universe got here"
OGABell 2 weeks ago
...the only way to prove the big bang theory is to be there to see if it did happen
MrFIJIBULA 3 weeks ago
@MrFIJIBULA so you can't prove who committed a crime if you don't have any eye witnesses?
tron81 2 weeks ago
Put it like this...the big bang theory, some scientists think that it happened(some think they know it happended) others are not so sure it happened because no one knows for sure what happened because we werent there.
GOD- Most christians think hes real...(i know he is real) but even some have there doubts because they are unfaithful but we are not GOD so we cant speak for GOD or say what he is or isnt because we aren't him the only way to find god is to seek god
MrFIJIBULA 3 weeks ago
@MrFIJIBULA 1) We gauge our knowledge through of the big bang via constantly changing cosmological progressions that we measure in light. When we look out at galaxies, the light is graphed as waves, the numerics on the graph and the run against a numerically based color coding chart. What they found is that all these galaxies are moving to the "red" end (also known as red shift) from prior. This indicates that space is stretching like raisin bread and each planet is a raisin. cont...
420MusicFiend 3 weeks ago
@MrFIJIBULA 2) If you were standing on a raisin, the others would appear to be moving while you stood still. This stretch happened (until evidence shows otherwise) because of a "bang" as we so in-eloquently put it. A logically fallacious idea is we need to have be there. The light we measure is very old, this is why they say cosmology is like looking at a time machine. In 2013 they are going to launch a satellite better and further than Hubble's upgrades 2 see if they can detect the first bang.
420MusicFiend 3 weeks ago
claims to know more than they actually can. How can you possibly know what you are saying is true? That's 1 problem I have with "believers" or whatever you call yourself. How do you actually know what you are saying is true about the Amoeba and densification of energy from god is true? Again, I don't "know" that you are wrong, I just don't see any reason to believe it or how you "know" atheists are wrong?
420MusicFiend 3 weeks ago
@420MusicFiend well phrased. to "know" is very dangerous. we can speculate, but to know is a lot deeper.
vinoa 3 weeks ago
The last comment about the us standing in relation to god like an amoeba to a scientist again seems like a blind assertion without any evidence. We shouldn't go into situations thinking we already have the answers, all we can "know" is based onevidence and the evidence seems to suggest (no one claims to have disproved god) that god is unnecessary to cosmic creation and biological life. @ least one side of the argument is willing to admit they don't know everything and I trust that more than
420MusicFiend 3 weeks ago
"Even Energy is a densification from the highest state of God." This is just a statement and I don't see you offering up evidence of this like is demanded of us. Semantical arguments are not evidence. No one, including philosophy and neuroscience can know the full truth about free will or consciousness as a whole yet, but I can bet the answer will come from neuroscience and future fmri type of technology, not philosophy or religion.
420MusicFiend 3 weeks ago
EvenStar303 most of these arguments have been dealt with at great length.
"nothing from nothing" - Physicist Lawrence Krauss's book "A universe from Nothing" science doesn't define nothing as you do.
"sitting in a cave for 20 years..." Sam Harris (PhD in Neuroscience and bachelors in philosophy) has studied extensively with mystics and those who practice mediation for literally decades and once something has a natural explanation, it is no longer a "supernatural" claim and experience.
420MusicFiend 3 weeks ago
Nothing comes from nothing, because nothing by definition does not exist.
Nothing is an empty word that denotes the concept (only) of none-existence.
It does not refer to anything like other words do.
So everything is something, even God is something.
However God is imperceptible to the normal Human mind because God is so subtle that we are not equipped to perceive it. Even Energy is a densification from the highest state of God.
Even WILL is a densification, even Intent is a densification.
EvenStar303 3 weeks ago
@EvenStar303 It is like asking the amoeba in the petri dish to perceive the intelligence and knowledge of the scientist who is looking at it through the microscope.
So the human mind sees nothing when it looks at God. Not because of God is hidden but because of the lack of faculty of the Human to perceive it.
EvenStar303 3 weeks ago
You guys are like blind men asking the seer to demonstrate to him what light is.
No amount of logical explanation will do.
To have any kind of valid perception of GOD, you have to meditate for 10-20 years and develop your extra-sensory perceptions, one of which is the pineal-gland.
It is dormant in most humans.
Even the believers you are talking about have no direct experience of GOD.
That is why they are called believers, not knowers.
EvenStar303 3 weeks ago
@EvenStar303 "Seeing you see but you do not perceive, hearing you hear but you do not understand."
EvenStar303 3 weeks ago
@themonk72 What are the facts of evolution? For a theory to become true, the experiment according to the scientific method must be repeatable. Ok, so repeat evolution for me. Any of you or go find a scientist and see if he can demonstrate that animals are evolving into different species. You hold to evolution because of your arrogance. Hey we might be a failed species, giraffes could evolve into a much more intelligent and complex creature. They don't have racism or warfare. Be a man, show proof
Masaries1234 4 weeks ago
Common traits denote a common Creator not an evolution. Scientists still have been able to develop a synthetic blood sufficient enough to sustain human life but yet they would like you to believe they know how life began. Now as a logician, if evolution is indeed false this does not necessarily mean that the Christian view is correct. But evolution is a posed as a better replacement to the Christian world view and based on a bias towards man's continual improvement instead of seeing moral flaws.
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Masaries1234 1 month ago
The convenience of evolution to postulate there is no Christian God is overwhelming. Unfortunately, the theory does explain why the Universe would suddenly explode from an extremely hot focal point. Nor does the theory explain how for instance termites which have bacteria in them could exist when both the bacteria and termites are in a symbiotic relationship and therefore both must exist simultaneously. The ecosystem was built all at once, not over trillion and quadrillions of years.
Masaries1234 1 month ago
@Masaries1234 "Nor does the theory explain how for instance termites which have bacteria in them could exist when both the bacteria and termites are in a symbiotic relationship and therefore both must exist simultaneously." Sure it does, you just don't understand the processes or the time involved. Your ignorance is not disproof of evolution, it's just proof that you're ignorant.
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@Masaries1234 "The convenience of evolution to postulate there is no Christian God is overwhelming."
The two are not connected. The postulation of the Christian God is one postulation; the postulation and study of evolution is another postulation.
The assertion that you make is exactly backwards. Evolution is not a convenient way to deny the Christian God; but rather, the facts of evolution makes it inconvenient to accept the credibility of the postulations made about the Christian God.
chrlpolk 1 month ago
@Masaries1234
The theory of evolution has nothing to do with the origin of the universe.
You obviously have a woefully insufficient grasp of what the theory of evolution actually entails.
taz81848 4 weeks ago
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Natural selection says a species can adapt to its surroundings but does not constitute the species changing into another species. Atheistic scientists with a strict bias against the Christian world view like to suggest "Lucy" and other intermediary primates as evolutionary evidence but they fail to show all the other millions of intermediary lifeforms, like fish turtles or cat chickens. Zero evidence. At the end of the day, Evolution is an childish schoolyard attempt to destroy Christians.
Masaries1234 1 month ago
@Masaries1234 If you found a fish turtle or cat chicken, that would disprove evolution, not support it. To make such a statement displays your ignorance.
boochainletters12 1 month ago
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And before you call me a creationists or whatever you do, I'm not a creationists or any word. I'm not a label. I know what I know through personal experience and solid proof. I've read the Bible, I know real history of Jesus, I know the Bible is just a book made by the Roman Empire and Jesus was a spiritual teacher they killed and used to tell the story of Pisces(the age we're currently end; changes on Dec 21, 2012). Get up on knowledge. I've researched more about life than fat, bald fuck.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 That "Fat, bald fuck" is Matt Dillahunty, and he was studying to become a preacher when he realised Christianity was full of shit. If anyone knows anything about the bible and personal experience, it's him. Solid proof? Present your solid proof. Anecdotal evidence and hallucinations aren't evidence, before you say that.
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WuffPakk7 1 month ago
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You all get together and say there is no God and then say that makes you smarter than other people? Why don't you go do something smart instead of living on the same subject all the time lol? Anyone with a good brain would know there is more than the physical. Spirituality is very real, I have talked to my dead dad through a guy who meditates. He explained what he looked like, how he died, everything. My personal experience to you, open your mind and your's will become incredible. Peace.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 "Spirituality is very real" - Then demonstrate it. Simply asserting it doesn't make it so.
"I have talked to my dead dad through a guy who meditates." - Yeah, because those who claim to be psychic are NEVER con artists. Well, except all of them. ;)
Angelalynx999 1 month ago
@Angelalynx999 Go research it. Type "Chi/Qi Gong with DJ" and watch him set paper on fire with his hand with chi. Oh, this guy knew exactly what my dad looked liked and knew what shirt he was wearing when he was killed. The guy is a Spiritual Teacher/Scientist and does everything for free. Look up Matthew Wright on Facebook. He has long, blonde hair. Albert Einstein believed in a "spirit vastly superior to man" once he did the consciousness experiment.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 : The question is can they set it on fire under controlled conditions. My guess is no. And if they can they could get a million dollars from James Randi.
Just because you were gullible enough to believe it doesn't make it true. Again, what is the testable evidence that this person really can communicate with the dead?
It doesn't matter what Einstein believed, only what he could prove. And nothing spiritual has ever been proven.
Angelalynx999 1 month ago
@Angelalynx999 That's a bold comment to make. I didn't know you were a scientists and recorded every experiment in the world? That's ignorant dude. There is so much science proving spirituality now. You just don't want to believe so you don't. You don't look for it. You get on atheists loving videos and bash any believers lol, nice life. The testable evidence is "He explained my dad's life to me, I know it, he was 100% accurate".. That is personal proof. You have to find your own bro.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 you have absolutely no understanding of what actual science is, sad, very sad...
MagnusNyborg 1 month ago
@MagnusNyborg You're suppose to be learning instead of telling someone who knows more about science than you they don't know anything about science. I know about Quantom Physics. I know a lot of things. I know you're a close minded, brain washed sheep who thinks Western science is right about everything. Eastern science is where the top scientists are now. Americans are all paid to do some bullshit and hold back. Russians are funded independently, that means they get to research whatever.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 my statement stays, your understanding of science is completely flawed.
And the only way anyone can make such incorrect statements as you do, is by being ignorant and or gullible.
MagnusNyborg 1 month ago
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WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@MagnusNyborg You telling me I'm wrong doesn't make it so lol. Einstein's experiment on consciousness. Sacred Geometry. Quantom Physics. Qi Gong with DJ. The Third Eye/Pineal Gland. Look all of that up. Do some decent research. The Bible was meant to be read esoterically so that the common idiot wouldn't get it. "Meditate and let thine eye be single, and thy whole body shall be full of light." Meditation for enlightenment. It goes back to spirituality, they manipulate it with religion though.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 Insanity and selfbloating.
MagnusNyborg 1 month ago
@MagnusNyborg Words...? Denile. Close Minded. In a box. Un-creative thinking. Right brain using only. Controlled thinking... I could go on. You are a product of a system. You believe what you're told to believe. You message me back with two words again then you're a fuckin' idiot who likes to argue and insult with no point. When you idiots die and are in the spirit dimension remember this comment. Peace & Love.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 "You believe what you're told to believe"
And you dont? Let me ask you a very simple question about quantum mechanics.
Can you calculate the electron shell population of atoms? Thats basic QM. You said you knew Quantum Physics, so it must be easy for you to show this calculation.
If you cannot do one of the more simple tasks, there is no reason to believe you can do more advanced tasks (like independant thinking).
MagnusNyborg 1 month ago
@MagnusNyborg You think independent thinking is an advanced task... I'm done with you.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 you think you are doing independent thinking?
Im done with you.
MagnusNyborg 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 "When you idiots die and are in the spirit dimension remember this comment." - And there's the phrase that every believer who cannot prove their delusions are true, uses. Thank you for showing yourself to be a typical, mindless follower. ^_^
Angelalynx999 1 month ago
@Angelalynx999 I'm not a typical, mindless follower dude you are... We're on a atheist video where yall get together and talk about how other people with other opinions are so much dumber than you all... And I'm the follower? I know what I know because I started doing research. My dad died when I was 7. I have talked to him through a psychic medium/spiritual teacher. He described exactly what he looked like, the shirt he had on when he died, and life memories. There is MY proof. You Idc about.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 : I didn't say that you were dumb. It's interesting that you would jump to that conclusion. Self image issues?
You keep bringing up your dead daddy like it should mean something to everyone else. Just because YOU believe it doesn't mean WE should believe it based SOLELY on your word. Now, if you can provide something that is TESTABLE and not anecdotal then we can discuss your beliefs. But since you obviously can't, because you would have by now, there is nothing to discuss.
Angelalynx999 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 yeh thats a load of shit idiot..
LoluskPoo 1 month ago
@LoluskPoo Damn, the truth make you mad bro?
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 thats bullshit because its impossible.. as i said you were hallucianting, dreaming or on some sort of drug
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LoluskPoo 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 : Ah, the sounds of the person who cannot back up there claims with objective and repeatable test results. ^_^
Angelalynx999 1 month ago
@Angelalynx999 You put "there" for showing ownership you moron. You're obviously stupid so no point in talking to you about anything 'magic' to you caveman like atheists. Research the consciousness experiment with Einstein and his fellow scientists, and Sacred Geometry. Consciousness affects things more than anything. You're only hurting yourself though, start meditating and unlocking your potential. I do. I am trying to help you but you not listening will not affect me, only you. Peace & Love.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 : Ah, the desperate nit picking of the fool who STILL can't prove that his bullshit is real to anyone but his own, gullible self. Keep repeating that you're right and EVERYONE is wrong and maybe reality will shift and make it so! But I wouldn't suggest holding your breath.
Besides, you use "lol" and "wtf" so you're obviously a moron. ;)
Angelalynx999 1 month ago
@Angelalynx999 Oh and wtf do you mean controlled conditions? This was a documentary back in the 80's. No special effects or trick camera work, the guy focuses his energy(chi) on his hand and sets a piece of newspaper on fire with his energy only. That scientifically explainable? Because millions of people have watched it happen. You're just ignorant man, it's not that you're stupid, you just aren't aware yet.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 "the guy focuses his energy(chi) on his hand and sets a piece of newspaper on fire with his energy only." - And I know a guy who can remove part of his thumb and reattch it, "magically". That's all this is. People like James Randi have been exposing fools like these to the gullible people like yourself in an effort to keep you from being duped. And I would bet that this guy could not do this trick on something that was not prepared ahead of time with cleanly washed hands.
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WuffPakk7 1 month ago
This is the most stupid bunch of idiots getting together and putting themselves on their high horses I've ever experienced. Quantum Physics, learn it. Albert E. was in an study that showed each scientist's consciousness was affecting the end results. Albert said "Anyone who becomes seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that there is a spirit manifest in the laws of the universe, a spirit vastly superior to man." Spirit is not a force, it is consciousness.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 Yes, but you cannot prove the identity of this spirit is a God, or YOUR God. Prove that, there you go. Einstein believed Religion to be a human invention.
MajickDemoniack 1 month ago
@MajickDemoniack Of course religion is a man made invention, that doesn't mean there isn't a Creator or Consciousness.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 Don't you think the idea of a creator is circular?
SuperJBrowne 1 month ago
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@WuffPakk7 Don't you think the idea of a creator is circular?
SuperJBrowne 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 Hm, well that's certainly possible, I don't see much evidence for that one way or another. But valid point :D
MajickDemoniack 1 month ago
@MajickDemoniack Sometimes 'evidence' is right in front of us, we're just not on the right "radio frequency" to see it yet. We're energy/vibration, energy can never be destroyed. Consciousness can't be destroyed. We are Gods to a certain extent. Get into the occult and secret societies, they know all about this stuff but keep it to themselves. Science is backing up spirituality now, if these idiots on this video would do research instead of talking down on other's they'd know this.
WuffPakk7 1 month ago
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@WuffPakk7
Proving religion is a man made invention is easy, but it does not prove that there is a "Creator or Consciousness".
"Consciousness can't be destroyed"? If I shoot you in the head your brain will cease to function. The electrical activity in your brain that accounts for your "consciousness" will cease to exist. Your consciousness will cease to exist.
Science is NOT backing up spirituality. Spirituality is just religion with the hierarchy..
DaToNyOyO 1 month ago
@DaToNyOyO *without
DaToNyOyO 1 month ago
@WuffPakk7 : Occults and secret societies still have to prove what they believe is real. So far not one has. And no, science is not backing up spiritually since there is no evidence that there are spirits or a spiritual realm. And when someone dies, their consciousness is gone. It is destroyed as far as we can tell.
Angelalynx999 1 month ago
omg im from south carolina :D
Strawberry1139 1 month ago
It annoys me to no end when Creationists come up with the same invalid arguements over and over and over and.... I understand that you're preacher said it... Now get a second opinion. I didn't learn what I know by simply listening to a single teacher, I read books, went to lectures, and figured things out using my own flawed logic. Anyone who doesn't, I'm sorry... is lazy, or intentionally ignorant.
skywize 1 month ago
at the old time most people were illeterate, a chief with a strong personality and strong verbal capacities could influence most of people, as soon he walks everyone takes him as divine. Just a few gestuals and a toning voic and fire is enough to fool those kind of people. Religion is man made for social cohesion. I believe in the truth, this silent God is never silent when it comes to some freaks of the desert. Too many freaks see magic everywhere. They've always been useless to mankind!
Narftaxaku200 1 month ago
You guys are all retarded if there exists a stupid human like you what makes you believe there is not god. You must be all brainwashed. But you will of course never meet god.
toxicfart49 2 months ago
@toxicfart49 I was never told that there was a God, nor that there wasn't until around when I started to discover the internet and faced all these debates.
I never felt the presence of a God nor there a reason to believe there was one, maybe it was a long time until I even knew what it really was supposed to be.
So I don't believe in God and I was surely not brainwashed. Just not told about it.
If I lived in an old isolated society I would die without ever hearing about him.
raydredX 2 months ago
@raydredX You would never contemplate the existence of everything and ask how and why are we here? I'd say this is ultimately why most humans inc. myself believe in a creator, the Universe seems to require more than a random accident.
GuyThreepwoody 2 months ago
@GuyThreepwoody Yes I have in the past and now. (The why questions is messy though, there's lots of different levels of answers to a why question.)
As for the last sentence. What random accident? If you're saying how can this be so ordered or something, laws generate patterns.
raydredX 2 months ago
@raydredX Laws generate patterns yes, but what generates laws so finely tuned that those patterns ultimately produce life intelligent enough to discover and ponder those laws? And is it just a mind blowing coincidence that this happened? If not, if it was done with intent and purpose, what laws do we know of that this would this violate?- that would force us to reject the idea entirely?
GuyThreepwoody 2 months ago
@GuyThreepwoody Finely tuned enough to produce intelligence? Intelligence is not common, it's extremely, extremely, extremely, (...) rare. And this intelligence needs around 10^28 atoms. The odds of some simple law interacting laws being able to produce intelligence EVER seems high even though the chances of producing it are low. And you need a massive amount of atoms.
Coincidence? As I said it's highly probable that it would eventually happen.
raydredX 2 months ago
@GuyThreepwoody As for what laws it would violate. If you mean what laws would be violated in having a God creator? None. What forces us to reject the idea entirely? Nothing. I don't reject it entirely. It just doesn't seem to make sense according to what I've seen. It's possible that there is a God. I just find it more likely that one doesn't exist.
raydredX 2 months ago
@GuyThreepwoody Also I told you that I could have never gotten to know about God and you then asked me if I had ever asked myself how and why are we here.
I'm a pretty curious guy. There are many people who don't care about questioning stuff. Does that mean they deserve to go to hell? No. Would that be what would happen if they didn't get to know about God? Yes. (or I should say probably. I don't know what your religious ideology is so I can't say for sure)
raydredX 2 months ago
@raydredX
I think all theism starts with the same observation/conclusion I came to - that the Universe appears to exhibit design, purpose and meaning- I don’t think this is instantly obvious- it can be debated- just the conclusion I came to- From that point- many other questions are raised- why? what purpose, desire, goal did the creator have? what’s our part in it? so I think the idea of right/wrong in God’s eyes is logical- got to go- thx- may elaborate later- what's ur belief?
GuyThreepwoody 2 months ago
@GuyThreepwoody I don't think I agree on purpose and meaning but this is subjective anyway. What the purpose and the meaning mean.
As for the the design I do get surprised by the beauty of nature's laws, even though I don't know quantum mechanics yet. Bur if I start to wonder if they were designed by someone. I get the God of natural laws. And just that. And that God is just as good as the laws themselves rendering the notion of God useless/meaningless because it adds nothing.
raydredX 2 months ago
@GuyThreepwoody I'm an atheist.I don't think that a God exists. For all that matters I don't agree with mysticism, superstition, religion, ghosts, quantum bullcrap (such as quantum healing). Supernatural in general.
raydredX 2 months ago
@toxicfart49 What now? Would I go to hell just because no one bothered to find me and tell me?
raydredX 2 months ago
song name please?
EveryBodySucks100 2 months ago
I hope Matt is into same sex marriage because i'm In fuckin' love.
Polybun 2 months ago 2
@Polybun Ask his wife about it
gannonscrub 2 months ago
@gannonscrub Pegging?
Polybun 2 months ago
The Higgs Boson was discovereed to a 2.6 sigma degree of certainty a few days ago. I find that absolutely mind blowing, so all though I know this isn't proof, it's really exciting. I just wanted to share that, because it's huge! (well it's actually really tiny, but y'know what I mean)
MrLittletomdj 2 months ago
Amazing how Matt expresses his ideas. He is good!!!
LowresTV 2 months ago
Im a panentheist.
xOnimpulsex 3 months ago
@xOnimpulsex I'm struggling to find my "box" I'm closest to being a deist if anything. I'd love to hear your' perspective. Fancy a PM convo & coffee? Seriously though, the likes or us are a real minority, so I'd like to know what you've got to say.
MrLittletomdj 2 months ago
@MrLittletomdj Hey, thanks. Yes there are not many that are willing to see beyond the religious and scientific dichotomy and to maybe find some middle ground. Im definitely up for it. You'll have to bear with the fact that im not as knowledgable as i'd like to be on these subjects but im continually studying and i think it would be a great way to further my knowledge through dialogue.
xOnimpulsex 2 months ago
is the quran right when it sais the moon got split in half, and if it is, is that kinda what they were talking about in the video.
McSmYtHuRs 3 months ago
@McSmYtHuRs they think that the moon is the left over material that was squirted out when during the early days of our solar system two planets collided to form earth
TheComradejv 3 months ago
@TheComradejv
For now, there is no more a prevalent theory for the moons creation.
We do not know anymore.
chibraxial 3 months ago
I find it slightly ironic that Matt Dillahunty pokes fun of attaching God to energy and the "baggage" being that it "really, really needs $20"... Yet at the end of several AtheistExperience videos there is a donation website. Is there a pot and kettle in this picture? Just thought it was worth mentioning...
MM2241738 3 months ago
@MM2241738 Do you really not see a difference between saying that an energy source ("GOD") needs $20 and a real actual human organization (Atheist Experience) needs $20? One is absurd, hence Matt's point. The other is par for the course for most human organizations. You really don't see the difference? No pot. No kettle.
xebek 3 months ago
@MM2241738 No, because he isn't claiming god needs $20, he is claiming that HE needs $20 to keep the show going. Unlike christian organizations, he isn't getting hand outs from the federal government nor is he getting the same tax free status as a church would get.
You are either a troll, or a fucking idiot.
Polybun 2 months ago
@qqqq1920 I agree, this is a very good question. I'd like to take a stab at it by asking, could the devil simply exist as another being that has been given a choice, just as we have? If God is really loving, fair and just, it would be uncharacteristic to annihilate anyone who opposes him. Instead, we are given the choice to question, to acknowledge/deny, to follow or walk away. If God didn't allow that choice, wouldn't he then be an oppressive, unfair dictator?
MM2241738 3 months ago
@MM2241738 If God didn't allow that choice, wouldn't he then be an oppressive, unfair dictator?
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The question of man's religious accountability, the sending of the Prophets, the proclamation of divine messages, and the principle of resurrection and judgment—all these rest on man's free will and choice in the acts he performs.
It would be completely meaningless were God, on the one hand, to compel men to do certain things and, on the other, to reward or punish them.
1tabligh 3 months ago
It would surely be unjust were the Creator of the world to set us on whatever path He chose, by means of His power and His will, and then to punish us for actions we have committed without any choice on our part.
If the deeds of men are, in reality, the acts of God, all corruption, evil and cruelty must be regarded as His work, whereas His most sacred being is utterly pure of all such corruption and injustice.
1tabligh 3 months ago
If there were no free choice for man, the whole concept of man's religious accountability would be unjust.
The oppressive tyrant would deserve no blame and the just would merit no praise, because responsibility has meaning only within the sphere of what is possible and attainable for man.
Man deserves blame or merits praise only when he is able to decide and to act freely; otherwise, there can be no question of blame or of praise.
1tabligh 3 months ago
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In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
"Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from Error; whoever rejects Evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things.
The Quran [2:256]
Surely We have created man from a small life-germ uniting (itself): We mean to try him, so We have made him hearing, seeing. [76.2]
1tabligh 3 months ago
Surely We have shown him the way: he may be thankful or unthankful. The Quran [76.3]
"Say: O people! indeed there has come to you the truth from your Lord, therefore whoever goes aright, he goes aright only for the good of his own soul, and whoever goes astray, he goes astray only to the detriment of it, and I am not a custodian over you."
The Quran 10 : 108
1tabligh 3 months ago
The reason people can't define God is because that is not essential to their reason for what they call "believing". They don't believe in God. If you don't believe me, tell one of them you speak to an angel daily and see how quickly they try to have you locked up, or at least bring up the topic of the devil. No, what they are really doing when they "believe" is confirming their membership in what they perceive as the dominant culture.
jcisbell 3 months ago
Why be an Atheist? Why not just be Agnostic? Stop being so full of yourself and admit that there you cannot prove that there isnt a god, just like you can't prove that there is one.
ryanhashton 4 months ago
@ryanhashton It's not atheists fault that you fail to understand what atheist and agnostic mean..
hanspeterpitsch 4 months ago
@hanspeterpitsch Oh I do understand.
ryanhashton 4 months ago
@hanspeterpitsch Oh I do understand. I don't believe in god, but what is god? I don't think anyone really knows. I dont believe in Christians idea of God, but that doesn't mean that their couldnt be a higher power. I take an Agnostic approach when it comes to this subject. Agnostic Christianity is pretty interesting. You should look into it.
ryanhashton 4 months ago
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@ryanhashton Apparently you don't. (a)theism is about believe, (a)gnosticism is about knowledge. "I don't believe in god" there you go, you're an agnostic atheist. Atheism is not about proving god doesn't exist, nor does it make a positive claim "There is definitely no god", it's simply a lack of believe. So you're an atheist.
"Agnostic Christianity is pretty interesting. You should look into it." What do you mean by that? Sounds interesting but I don't get it.
hanspeterpitsch 4 months ago
@ryanhashton You mean pretty stupid, not interesting.
Polybun 2 months ago
@ryanhashton "Why be an atheist?" you say. Well because even though I am agnostic, I still don't believe in deities.
Raziel354 4 months ago
@Raziel354 Nor do I. I dont believe in gods that look like us that live in the sky and control the world. But that doesnt mean that there cant be some type of higher power
ryanhashton 4 months ago
@ryanhashton Most atheists are agnostic too. Agnostic is an incomplete stance. Agnostic vs Gnostic is what you know. None of us know whether or not there is a god. Theist vs Atheist is whether you BELIEVE. So you can be an agnostic atheist by saying I don't know if there is a god, yet I don't see a reason to believe in one. If someone put's a gun to your head and says "Is there a god? Check 'yes' or 'no'." the one you check in (a)theism. Whether you know for 100% sure or not is (a)gnostacism.
JAB63096 3 months ago
@ryanhashton Why? because I'm not dumb enough to base my life around something there is no proof for. Besides, disproving god is simple. IF THERE IS A GOD MAY HE STRIKE YOU DEAD. See, your still alive, god disproved. Stop being such a pussy and accept the fact you life means nothing, your thoughts mean nothing, and you will die and be forgotten.
Polybun 2 months ago
@Polybun y would god do that, hes not an asshole...
Alexmaster46573 2 months ago
@Alexmaster46573 That depends on which god we are talking about. The god of the koran and the god of the bible are most certainly assholes.
Polybun 2 months ago
@Polybun no he loves us..
Alexmaster46573 2 months ago
@Alexmaster46573 Hence the rape, infanticide (Baby killing), mass murder, racism, sexism, slavery, etc prevalent in both the bible and the koran.
boochainletters12 1 month ago
If we don't have a current explanation for a wierd, unusual or strange event such as a sighting or physical manifestation it is medieval & infantile to give it a superstitious, religious or supernatural interpretation. If it's real, there is a known or yet unknown logical justification within natural laws and science will get to it sooner or latter! History has taught us a lesson on these matters.
cuevarap 4 months ago
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God exists ---> Because the bible says so ---> How is bible true? ----> Because it's the word of god ---> How is it the word of god? ---> Because god exists ---> The cycle rambles on.
divinegod102 4 months ago
Does this representation of God come with any spiritual baggage?
The Creator has posted a video on YouTube. The message comes to you directly, without the need for transcription or interpretation by bronze-age scribes.
The video tells you how you came to be here, outlines the meaning and purpose of your life, and gives you an insight into the future of humankind.
See ' God says sorry. '
lacontrabasse 4 months ago
Do me favor: Go to a rest home or a palative ward and ask a nurse or intern staff person the difference between someone that dies without faith and someone with faith in God . Trust me!!!theres a big difference,,ive seen it myself. The certainty in there demeanor before they die or uncertainty with someone with no faith in God. Everything is a whole lot different then my friend,when your in your death bed!
flatop59 4 months ago
Not believing in God is rebelling against your creator. A fool in his heart says there's no God! The Devils master plan is to deceive you,,,read it...Your deceived!!! Don't underestimate the power of Satan,hes crafter then you think! Hes had 1000s of years of experience.As for Matt,he abandoned his once faith and his judgement will be greater on his day with his maker.Its says that too in the bible about Matt.
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 if there is no creator, it is also not rebellious to question his existance. Repeating nonsense dont make it true. Your repeated ignorance on subjects are only evidence for your ignorance, not of a creator.
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg Then you better tell the 10s of millions on earth today what you just told me.your a minority pal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And a fool!
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 not all christians agree with you, in fact there are lots of christians who would claim that you are not a true christian and do not represent them. Even soo, beying a deluded majority only means being a deluded majority, not being correct. Resorting to numerous exclamation points only shows that you are out of arguments and have lost.
Not to mention all the people who completly disagrees with you, believing in other gods or even in no gods. We are in majority over you.
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg Not everyone who says to me Lord,Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven,but only who does the will of my father.Matt.7-21....That means fake christains or just people who call them-selves christains are not getting in heaven!!!!I would think Almighty God knows his true followers and on that day of judgment who gets in and who doesnt...Theres your answer!!!!
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 what relevance does your statement have if there is no god afterall? None. And if god was truly allmighty and allpowerfull, he wouldnt allow a book of such ignorance and immorality to be the representation of his words, he probably wouldnt allow a book to be written at all given how it can be misinterpreted by fools such as yourself.
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg So,whats your point! Ive been around in life long enough to know theres a God and a Devil.Ive seen more evidence then you think pal. You'll never convince me otherwise period!!!!!yess period!!! Your choice is yours and mine is mime,,goodbye and good luck buddy! Last,,,when yr dead,,youll know!!!
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 you can still be misstaken, mental patients also have illogical beliefs and feels things that are not there. Ever considered that what you feel might just be yourself trying to assert yourself about what you deep inside know isnt quite realistic? You are still allowed to be ignorant.
And the unsupported threats again, since you are making gods judgement yourself you will go to hell within your theology. Way to please your god.
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg Christ changes lives,,,seen it over and over,,,guess you havent,,,too bad for you.Athiests are thee most ignorant ive ever encountered,,,reason: they offer no hope for addiction and rely on self,,, in control...It dont work that way pal..God is centered or higher power in all addiction programs,,,not self...now is that ignorant??? Last,,,theres no hope in this world or the next without God at the center of ones life.You yourself,if you think your together,i highly doubt it !
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 treating people well changes peoples life also when no religion is involved, ever heard of something called 'confirmation bias'? You should look it up. It explains how a cure can be attributed to the wrong remedy.
Make shit up as you go along, that is what many christians do anyway, but pretty much all you claimed have non-religious counterparts that are the real cure. And someone who dont understand basic scientific knowledge shouldnt talk about ignorance...
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg You should look up the word ((((((faith))))) buddy!!!!! If you dont like Christain,,shut up about it! Keep your no-nonsence to yourself and don't disprove what doesn't exist in your world. Theres more proof in God then you sitting there typing, there isnt!!YOU REBEL AGAINST THE ORDINCES OF GOD!!! Therefore you chose not to except it,,,plain and simple! When your in your dying bed,then you'll think ,,,maybe im wrong.Are you going to gamble your eternity on it???
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 i dont mind christians sitting at home and praying, or being in church. I do mind christians who go on internet spewing nonsense, like you do here.
Pascals wager is bullshit, there are 1000s of religions, all of wich provide the same amount of evidence that you do. They cannot all be right, but they can all be wrong. Until you provide evidence, you are assumed to be wrong.
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg And i dont like blind guides leading people to Hell like you,,,ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 then back to the evidence secition, where is the evidence for this?
Exclamation points, where normal people use 1, ignorant christian morons use 10 :P
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg You dont deserve evidence...Reason,you cant fathom faith,,,just plain ignorance.
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 you cant present evidence, because you dont have it. Faith is the ignorant persons way of bailing the burdon of proof, because faith inherently ignores any evidence to the contrary.
You dont have evidence, yet you want other people to become as ignorant as you. Pathetic!
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg Funny you should say that,,because scores of people in Christs day witnessed him preform miracles and raise Lazerath from the dead and still disbelieved !!! Evidence??? Your no different...You chose to disbelieve because your rebellion is against the ordinances of God. For since the creation of the world and Gods invisable qualities,so men are without excuse.Romans 1-20. There's your answer!!!
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 witnesses with an agenda, where are the expected independant witnesses. There is a reason a court of law do not accept 'evidence' like this as evidence, and the bible has very little outside corroboration on these accounts. All that remains are unsupported claims, the same way that you claims shit.
Stop being the traditional loudmouth, irrational, ignorant xian that only want to hear himself. If your god existed, he would shake his head in despair.
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg Why is there 24,000 transcripts of just the New Testament!!!! That more then any book in the history of the world!! And look up the word Scrib! How detailed there were.... theres more evidence on the bible then any book on the planet,,,period.Don,t argue with me ,,,(((court of law))),hahaha,,,what a knot head. Do your research or shut up!!! Or try reading the bible, ,, fool
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 good question, if it was true there should only be 1, should it not? You just refuted the truthfullness of the bible, congrats.
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg But you don,t have problems believing in the historical Roman Caesars??? Where do we get are info from? transcripts-scribes, archaeological findings ,,,not from one source either.You do know that,,, or do you not? Did you also know that the Caesars are also mentioned in the book you flat out deny.Now who is narrow minded , foolish and full of arrogance (Athiests)???
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 i believe he existed, because there are numerous independant verifications that he did exist, he left a trail in written history that included both opponents and proponents. I do however not believe all claims about him, I dont believe he was a god for one.
God only left trails with his proponents, sickophants that just want to believe what they believe. And once you start to checking the bible with respect to independent history, it falls appart very quickly.
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg Answer me this: If Jesus Christ was a lier, lunatic and what ever else i've heard negative. Why did (BC-AD) time line calender used by his name and not one of the Caesars? Tells me, he must of being a pretty important historical figure and what he said, did with Pharisees,Scribs and Roman leaders that witnessed what he did at the time must be undoubtedly true . And rose from the dead 3 days later. Their were 500 witnesses to that event also.From Scribs!!!
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 for historic reasons, because europe was dominated by christians. History is however not evidence of the actual existence of jesus, only a reflection on the people at the time.
Answer me this, why is the supposed birth of jesus celebrated using a pagan tree, when it clearly says in the bible that following pagan rites (like cutting down a tree and chiseling it to fit inside a house) should be punished with death?
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg huuuuuuuu! You didnt answer my question!!!pagan what! Dont go off on me pal with foolish jargon.Give me an intelligent answer,or dont waste your time and brain capacity with me,,got it!!! Answer my question...And tell me in detail what an ancient scribs did and how accurate they were? Then if your wrong,i dont want to hear your foolishness period.Go pick on a newbie Christian at your level of insults.
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 so you didnt know?! The celebration of christmas was originally a pagan tradition, that was adopted by christians as christianity spread around Europe. The celebration of winter solstice was 'converted' into x-mas as pagans got converted into xians, because they still wanted a celebration. Documented, read up on it.
Not only that, they also adopted the pagan tradition of cutting down a tree and celebrating it in their homes, not allowed according to Jeremiah 10:2.
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg Ya and it was debased by the true church.The xmass tree was a German creation during, i think the 1800s.The bible nowhere mentions a xmass tree as celebration of Christs birth.
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 but christians do now. Christmas is now celebrated as the birth of jesus christ, and the christmas tree is in the center of this event. A pagan tradition, clearly, and ...:
"Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10"
"Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16"
Do you kill the people celebrating around a christmas tree?
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago
@MagnusNyborg Yes it was old Testament Laws,,God had (((Zero tolerance too)) pagan worship that involved sacrificing children and extreme immoral practices,,,wouldn't you wipe them out and whole cities...BUT!!! God had grace and warned them to stop time after time,,,exp Sodom & Gomorrah.Lot couldn't find 10 just people ,and yes they were warned...Bottom line buddy,if you think God is unjust and you refuse to except him,so be-it!! good luck,,,im finished answering your questions.
flatop59 4 months ago
@flatop59 so god changed his mind (again)?
I dont think he is unjust, i dont believe he exists in the first place, remember? But if he exists, this is the god you worship, and you should be ashamed of yourself for justifying such a failure of god.
MagnusNyborg 4 months ago