Lifter Anti-Gravity Myth has been BUSTED 2 of 2

[mikefromspace]

You cannot test the lifter with air around it, it must be re-tested without air.

Anti-gravity is all thrust, because mass is displaced by heavy positive ions that do not rely on air/light gasses to exist. Even ufos use thrust of +ions in space. There is no such thing as gravity modification, only the appearance of such using an ionosphere.

[stawmy]

Besides, the force exerted by a lifter is still 1,000 times stronger than ion wind can account for........

[stawmy]

Mythbusters BS as usual, only the gravity potential in the dielectric between the wires changes, it is also highly directional & localised, placing a 'gravity meter' in the area doesn't prove a thing. The lifter will work in a hard vacuum, not a partial one, and it has to be 100Kv or more.

'Nuff said ;)

[LendMeYourHand]

Someday they will make a vacuum that will suck up Leprechauns. Mythbusters will check the bag & bust the leprechaun myth. Then they create the Duh meter & find that the world is just Duh. The God Tracker will then be developed. These guys should try mythbustin' a cold shower some time soon People actually think this shit is REAL science.. Well, hit me with a frying pan, i think we finally got that tooth to come out.

[LendMeYourHand]

If anti gravity doesnt exist, then how do they know if the anti gravity meter works? Isnt that the Gravy on the gravity, we got knuckle heads makings strange contraptions to disprove the existence of what it was created for. LMAO. This is making me want to run around in a clown suit slapping the pudding. Fucking Idiots, lol.

[jonnydarkmusic]

@LendMeYourHand It's not an anti-gravity meter, it's a device that measures the gravitational strength at a particular location. This can be tested in multiple ways, for example the earth is not perfectly spherical - it is a slightly oblate spheroid and so gravity is weaker along the equator. One could test the device was working properly by comparing results at the equator to somewhere closer to the poles. Another more expensive option is to test it at high altitude where gravity is weaker.

[LendMeYourHand]

@jonnydarkmusic I agree, but wouldnt that declare EM fields to be the true model, thus proving gravity non existent? What exactly is gravity when EM fields are what we are actually interacting with. Isnt an imaginary gravity model, like throwing a wrench in the equation when the REAL mechanics of gravity are the effects of EM fields. But what i was realy outlining is the fact that Mythbusters attempts to disprove anti-gravity by excluding Magnetic properties. How stupid is that?

[jonnydarkmusic]

@LendMeYourHand What you seem to be implying is that Electromagnetism and Gravity are fields that interact with each other. This is potentially true and is an expected property of a Theory of Everything (TOE), however no candidate TOE to my knowledge has been successfully tested and even the proposed link is ultimately conjecture. If you have reason to believe EM fields have an effect on local gravitational fields and, then please tell me your source, I'm intrigued.

[MrAwsome514]

@LendMeYourHand Looks like the only knuckle head here is you...Anti-gravity meter? What video did you watch? They quite clearly called it a "gravity meter" as in it measures gravity. This tool was used to show that the lifter did not modify the gravity around it. Why?

[LendMeYourHand]

@MrAwsome514 Same difference, they try to use a gravity meter to identify Anti- gravity, so who's the idiot?? You ask why?? Well, you are measuring the gravity within electromagnetic field(s). You cant measure the gravity when multiple electromagnetic fields are involved, namely the Earths EM field. That means that an EM field will always be present when measuring anything while on a planet or any celestial body at that. Thats why Mythbusters ISNT science.

[MrAwsome514]

@LendMeYourHand The people who believe that lifters produce antigravity generally theorize that they operate by creating their own gravitational field which they "fall into". If such an effect was happening then it would be detected by the gravity meter. An electromagnetic field would not interfere in any way with the meter's operation.

[lorenzogemma]

BULLSHITS:

LIFTER RUNS IN VACUUM!

See:

"Lifter test in vacuum by NASA"

[frostek]

@lorenzogemma - The item in the video you describe doesn't appear to be a lifter.

[onthecuttingedge2005]

reverse the polarity and it still lifts up.

[OddMusicality]

tim and derek lol



[Jeocellguy]

it would be simple enough to find time dilation's that would prove anti gravity because time and gravity are directly related.

[LeJimster]

could they have made the lifter any smaller? or run the least amount of current through it? It was barely off the ground :).

[davidzhang23r0]

@LeJimster it was barely off the ground because it was tied to the ground

[XxWearsMexX]

i dont think antigravity is possible.. unless the bosons of gravity are discovered.. then you could maybe do something; but i hardly think so because gravity comes with mass...since you have mass then you are affected by it. nuff said XD

[utube2344]

@XxWearsMexX anythings possible in an infinite universe.

[speed54100]

i think thats how ufo their technology...ufo been busted..

[Jesz023]

so what should be the title of this project??

[ArcaneInquisitor]

Anti gravity is theoretically possible if you can provide enough energy. The problem is that the equation E=mc^2 indicates that in order to have the same effect on gravity as a 1kg mass has you would need (3*10^8)^2 = 9*10^16 J of energy ( I really hope I am not wrong about that calculation).

Either way, that would be beyond the order of billions of joules of energy, or thousands of megawatts. So several power huge plants MIGHT give enough energy to create the gravity of a barbell.

[ArcaneInquisitor]

@ArcaneInquisitor Sorry, I compared joules to watts, I meant megaJOULES. I have been doing research on wind turbines so I have watts on the mind.

[rhm01]

This has become labelled the Biefeld-Brown effect but T T Brown's technology wasn't a lifter it was asymmetric capacitors.

[HungryGuyStories]

Mythbusters is doing a disservice to science. Nobody who does serious "lifter" research ever claimed that the Biefeld-Brown effect is anti-gravity.

[blehblehbleh86]

@HungryGuyStories Tell that to Beamshipcaptain. There are a shit-tonne of nuts out there who think lifters is some sort of Tesla mega-wank machine that defies the laws of known physics. They're asses.

[noneuno53]

may not work in space but that my flying car

[Joeviocoe]

@noneuno53

It would make a good flying car.

But if 30,000 Volts are needed for 100 grams of lifter

And a light car weighs 1,000 kg (1 million grams)

300,000,000 (300 Million Volts) would be needed.

I don't suppose you could find a portable generator capable?

[noneuno53]

@Joeviocoe i saw one video on here, were some one made, a lifter

run on a 7.6vdc rc battery. cus a hi volt out put is not hard for a battery.

its the amps that are the hard on a battery. the 100gr lifter is 30kv at .5amps.

mabe some one can make a lifter the size of a rc to star.

[Joeviocoe]

@noneuno53

Since 30kv at .5 amps is still 15 KW... a large battery will still be needed. Think of the battery in the new Chevy Volt. 16 KW-hours. A battery that big could lift only 100 grams of weight (for an hour). Yet the battery itself weighs 100,000 grams (100 kg).

16 KW-hours = 960 KW-minutes = 57600 KW-seconds

So it could lift 100 grams 100 grams for 57600 seconds

or 1000 grams for 5760 sec

or 10 kg for 576 sec

or 100 kg for 57 seconds

or 1000 kg for 5.7 seconds

[Joeviocoe]

@noneuno53

An RC battery is typically 7.6vdc for at the most 4500 mah.

So that is a total of 34.2 watt-hours or 123120 watt-seconds.

Or 123 KW-seconds

So this RC Battery could only sustain 15 KW for 8.2 seconds

Oh... and an RC battery of that size, weighs over 400 grams.

So even if a small battery COULD provide that kind of power, it would only be sustained a couple of seconds.

[noneuno53]

@Joeviocoe look government man, i will not be told what i can or cant do.

dont kill an idea be for it gits out of your little box that you try to keep the world in.

piss off...

[Joeviocoe]

@noneuno53

is it me you have a problem with, or the laws of physics?

If you jump off a bridge... will an "idea" that gravity won't apply, save you?

I am not telling you what you cannot do... nature is.

[noneuno53]

@Joeviocoe it's important to have an open mind, but not so open that your bran falls out of your head. i am not stupit to just jump off a bridge with just a idea, im sorry that you think your god. and that you can till us little people what to think. nature witll till me the truth in life. not some government lays of cover ups. there is a lot nature will late us do and the bridge bs i have hered for mib for years, to try to make us free thinkers look stupit so no one will here the truths

[Joeviocoe]

@noneuno53

1st off, I don't mind if English is not your first language.. but it is very hard to understand you unless you use spell checker.

2nd, All the advancement of technology that you take for granted (such as posting on youtube) is due to our understanding of physics and nature in general.

Especially Ohm's Law and basic mathematics. Which was the only thing I had explained to you earlier about "lifters" not being able to carry their own power source.

So you should be angry at nature!

[Joeviocoe]

@noneuno53

Instead, you are acting childish as if I am close minded and dictating to you my opinion of how the world should work.

The very computer that you are reading COULD NOT WORK unless the Laws of Electricity worked EXACTLY as we predict it works... EVERY TIME!!

And you get pissed off because the Laws of Nature won't do what YOU want it to do... or how you THINK it should behave??

Read a book. The only conspiracy, is the conspiracy to keep you uneducated of real science.

[MrAwsome514]

This is not antigravity and I have documents that I obtained directly from NASA that prove it. The documents are a review of thier results on all testing they performed on lifters and other asymmetrical capacitors which clearly states that they have concluded that it is a simple ion wind effect which allows it to fly and nothing more. I will gladly give a copy of this document to any one who requests one.

[onurbykgms]

for now...

[BaltoMovie]

2:45 what is that?

[mattsonh]

This has nothing to do with thrust. Its not like the lifter is aero shaped to produce lift by a decrease in air pressure. Check Wiki for the BiefeldBrown effect to see what is really going on here.

[2011FindTheTruth]

@mattsonh

This is honestly propaganda, lifters work in vacuums. I won't argue with you, but if you take the time to do the research you'll realize that mythbusters has lied about this one.

[Joeviocoe]

@2011FindTheTruth

I've done the research.... no, lifters do NOT work in vacuums.

[2011FindTheTruth]

@Joeviocoe

You're either a shill, or you're so closed minded that you were unable to find the truth. I won't even argue with you, because you have not a clue as to how this world works.

[Joeviocoe]

@2011FindTheTruth

You won't even argue with me? Because you have no "evidence" just another crackpot claim.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

You have a claim... but the evidence is lacking.

[frostek]

@2011FindTheTruth - More like you won't argue with him because he's won before you even get off the starting block. Lifters don't work in a vacuum. They are not producing or using anti-gravity.

You want it to be true so badly, that you've lost your way.

[2011FindTheTruth]

@frostek

He already won because of mythbusters? You're closed minded and it's you that lost your way.

[frostek]

@2011FindTheTruth - He won because they merely demonstrated what was *already* known - that this type of lifter *doesn't work* in a vacuum. Do you think this type of experiment isn't well-known?

Please direct me to a source which demonstrates *robustly* that this isn't the case and has been scientifically verified, and I'll change my mind (the opposite of close-mindedness, incidentally).

I doubt you will offer the same courtesy.

[lorenzogemma]

@frostek:

see this video

" Lifter test in vacuum by NASA"

[frostek]

@lorenzogemma - The item in that video is clearly not a lifter, despite what the Youtube submitter has called it.

[lorenzogemma]

@frostek:

sorry that is a LIFTER, the same geometry, same voltage: it is a Townsend Brown "Electrokinetic Apparatus"or asymmetrical capacitor.

US Patent Application N°293465 filed on June 13, 1952 and titled "Elektrokinetic propulsion system" .

[Joeviocoe]

@2011FindTheTruth

It doesn't matter how many times the village idiot claims to have seen the lock ness monster... it doesn't make it true.

[2011FindTheTruth]

@Joeviocoe

I really hope you're a shill, otherwise, I truthfully feel bad for your ignorance. I'm not even going to argue with people like you. It's not worth arguing with someone who stands by mythbusters to no end, because it's actually sad. It's so sad that this little television show caused you to be so closed minded that you will probably never find out the truth.

[ZincFold]

The lifter lifts regardless of electrical polarity which would reverse directional thrust if totally reliant on Ion wind. The lift is due to the dielectric effects of the air gap aka Biefeld-Brown effect where Ion wind produced is only a byproduct with insufficient thrust to lift the lifter on its own. This is why it doesn't work in a hard vacuum.

[ZincFold]

Any anti-gravity like anomalies will only be felt by the Lifter circuit itself. You can get more detailed info on this phenomenon by watching "Antigravity" Method 3b of 15, Vacuum Polarization- (Biefield Brown effect),Group IB(ii) Lots more info on Biefield Brown effect can be googled.

[2011FindTheTruth]

@ZincFold

It actually does work in a hard vacuum. I will not even argue with you because you need to do the research first.

[ZincFold]

@2011FindTheTruth @2011FindTheTruth Yes, you may be right but I haven't observed anything in my tinkering. Others haven't either and some claim to have. No argument needed I have an open mind. I just base my opinion of which we are all entitled too on others & my own research results. Maybe we're doing something wrong with our setups who knows. Until I see concrete evidence we'll just have to agree to disagree. ;-)

[Joeviocoe]

@2011FindTheTruth

The folks who make the outrageous claim that these lifters work in a vacuum... have the burden of proof. They (you) must provide the links and sources. Don't tell us to "research it ourselves"... you know the internet is full of crap.

[Haunebufy]

Furthermore, if your apparatus was built on the basis of closing yourself inside a crafted mental or stone which lifts the outside of this craft may have found away to circulate the ions. Sub-atomic particles at different sub-atomic levels and always remember the opposites work.

[Haunebufy]

Kirchhoff's Laws along with Lenz's Law and many other's, Townsend Brown, Maxwell,...ect., explains the lifter. The Ion-Wind Effect or iron-wind is other terms one working with the other the wind simply means sub-atomic particles move around randomly like air in all directions. Iron put in the mix sturdier ions. No, you shouldn't cancel out the knowledge about lifting mental by outages equaling zero for micro-seconds. A better apparatus built on duplicating gravity and then controlling it as well

[BeanshipCaptain]

Hey everyone, peace and love: I used to make a real pest of myself trying to tell everyone that lifters would fly in vacuums, and I was wrong. It's only an ion-wind effect, You can see for yourself: NASA/CR—2004-213312 (google that) and look at page 6, paragraph one. Also google 'gravitec inc data talley', download the pdf and read the conclusions on page 91. They are both PDF's that everyone can find, and I apologize for being so insane.

[peakbusiness]

1:50 he says the "laser is just like a cops radar gun."

No, a laser is a concentrated coherent light beam, radar is a radio signal.

Laser speed guns and radar speed guns are not the same.

[derrick713]

@peakbusiness they work on the same principle .... light and radio waves are the same just different frequencies

[peakbusiness]

@derrick713 I accept your statement as I'm actually a C&G electronics engineer and up until recently also someone who has used both radar and Laser speed guns.

The do work on the same principle, bouncing a signal off of an object and measuring the return but one is using light, the other sound. Yes we are talking about wavelengths.

Diesel and pterol engines are both 'internal combustion engines' - both utilise the same principles but they are 'different'.

[derrick713]

@peakbusiness you should really read carefully what you have said "The do work on the same principle, bouncing a signal off of an object and measuring the return but one is using light, the other sound. Yes we are talking about wavelengths." "sound " i dont think so .. keep on making mistakes like that and i will think you are Beamshipcaptain.. ps i live on a farm and problely know know more about diesel engines than you

[peakbusiness]

@derrick713 If you think sound doesn't travel in waves then you really should try looking at a 'scope' and wondering why they are called sound 'waves'.

As for engines my point was that both deisels and petrols are internal combustion engines - surely even you must agree with that ? but despite this similarity they are different in as much as the cause of ignition is different.

What I was trying to get at is that saying a laser speed gun is the same as a radar speed gun isn't a good metaphor.

[peakbusiness]

@derrick713 And yes - you undoubtedly do know more about diesel engines then I do, but the topic in hand is wavelengths, frequencies and the properties of sound, light and beyond. Being good with diesel engines is hardly a great qualification when it comes to these things.

I stand by my earlier observation - they are not the same unless you are prepared to admit that diesels and petrols are the same ?

[derrick713]

@peak business boy you really are dense according to you a radar speed gun and a laser speed gun don't work the same way they both use electromagnetic radiation NOT SOUND !!!!! yes laser light and radio waves have different frequencies the difference is only in the emitters and detectors. how the fuel is delivered and ignited yes diesels and petrols are the same just miner difference in design that is why they are called internal combustion engines. hope you have learned something

[peakbusiness]

@derrick713 The topic has been slightly diluted and I accept that I miss used 'sound' when I should have said radio wave. This does not mean I don't understand the subject, merely, like the original poster made an error in my choice of phrase.

However as I have repeatedly stated, lasers are not the same as radars. Lasers fire a coherent directional beam. Radar speed guns are nowhere near as accurate in their targetting.

What I have 'learned' is that you can not spell 'minor' :o)

Enjoy

[derrick713]

@peakbusiness and i have learned you make videos for retards and you are very very thick and o wow you found one spelling error and i didn't say lasers were the same as radar just that the speed guns work the same way dededee

[peakbusiness]

@derrick713 How nice it is to find someone who can express themselves so clearly. Someone who seems to think that other people trying to learn a new skill are 'retards' , someone who doesn't understand that 'I' should be a capital letter and who thinks that insulting anyone who may have a different view to their own is a good way forward.

It is easy to spot the person losing a discussion - they are the ones who result to name calling :o)

Peace be upon you.

[derrick713]

@peak business how arrogant of you to say i lost this discussion when you cant admit your mistakes.the loser is the one who will jump on a spelling error and ignore his own . calling you thick is not a insult its the truth, how you can say that radar is sound tells me you don't know what doppler is or how thing work .metaphor don't use words you don't know the meaning of since the metaphor was right

[futurehelp]

Why proofread comments for garbage video? What you think shows you

never research background information. So why would I care what you think. 'liers' Thank you Jesse

[futurehelp]

liers big time!!!

[maureenOWW]

You can't even spell a five-letter word like 'liars' correctly, so do you really think anyone cares what YOU think?

[Pyramidtank]

That's like saying einstein was dumb! for being bad at math.

[FactualTruthProvider]

He wasn't bad at math though, was he? Well, maybe when he was 10, but not as an adult.

[Pyramidtank]

At college age. not 10

[gilicraft]

não sabiam nem mesmo construir um multiplicador de tensão usando diodos e capacitores, ridiculo, deveriam ter morrido eletrecutados por pensarem que sao melhores do que os engenheiros de verdade, cada macaco no seu galho, tem o galho dos engenheiros eletrecistas e galho dos fisicos

[gilicraft]

estadunidenses bobalhões

fizeram todas as experiencias do jeito errado, deveriam ter contratado um engenheiro eletrecista que entende de eletromagnetismo ao inves de um fisico bigodudo metido a popstar

[sciencenerd1616]

busted

[stuartking84]

txroycock, the Earth's magnetic field has nothing to do with its gravity, its to do with the core of the Earth being Iron-Nickel, being rotated due to the spin of the Earth on its axis. This produces a magnetic field. On the other hand, the moon doesn't have a geodynamic core like the Earth and only has a very small magnetic field, likely due to magnetic materials in the crust (possibly magnetised due to friction caused from meteor impact,like rubbing a ballon on your head).

[maureenOWW]

'being rotated due to the spin of the Earth on its axis.'

Actually it's caused by the earths core rotating at a different speed to the earths mantle, giving movement to the liquid outer core. If the whole earth was rotating at the same speed then the magnetic field would be barely measurable.

[txroyscock]

Realy ? How?

[txroyscock]

Gravity is about magnitism and the fields i thought. I thought the anti gravity creates its own magnetic field.

[SameilVaughan]

gravity and electromagnitism are tw copletly different forces

[txroyscock]

Realy ? How is that please explain?

[txroyscock]

I thought earths gravity pulled electrodes toward the earth. doesnt the earth have a north and south pole like a magnet?

[SameilVaughan]

see gravity nd elecromagnitism along wihtthe strog and wea foce arethe natural forces of the universe

they make shit happen but they are all different electromagntism keep electrons in certain placements, gravity is the effect of matter on the universe, space and time become warped like a bowling ball on a trampoline everything rolls towards the heavist thing

[txroyscock]

Matter is energy e=mc2 and if gravity has an effect on matter, then it has an efect on energy, and thus pulling all mater toward the earth. So if you could create a magnetic field stronger than the gravitational pull of the earth (electro mag effects energy) than your mass would could cancel out the effects of gravity, because the pull of the earth wouldnt recognise your matter, or energy. The specific theory of gravity you are talking about is not valid until they find the dark matter.

[DanusMax]

you seem smart so i got a question.. why does light bend when it goes near gravity.. is this like a proton electron attraction or what??

[MrIcicle]

It's not light that bends it's space-time that's bend and light simply follows the bend space.

[txroyscock]

and if they dont find the dark matter then there theory on gravity falls apart. Electrons, waves, and matter is all the same thing fundamentaly, so if you can create your own magnetic field that is strong enough, the earths gravity will stop having an effect. I dont care anyway its all good in theory.

[SameilVaughan]

draino

[txroyscock]

Im sorry i am unfamiliar with that term.

[SameilVaughan]

as in drink some

[ronmann606]

@ichersue Of course there's no wind inside a vacuum my point is that there are other forces contributing to lift other than thrust. I did not list names of people since I thought you knew about Google. Jean-Louis Naudin has spend years doing experiments. Unfortunately I can't post links.

[0NFF]

bunch of assclowns thoes mythbusters jr

[panzarw]

every one feel free to let your inner geek out ;)

[tessyblue]

try freezing mercury til its fifth stage...

and that my friends is anti gravity

[mummyfunk]

fifth stage of what?

[Turkisstory]

Yeah... 5th stage of what?

[Joeviocoe]

fools come and fools go...

I don't expect an answer as most of these guys don't have anything to say.

[Turkisstory]

:D Yup, well said.

[panzarw]

and you mean by fifth stage its when atoms stop moving?

well first of all posta reply on this vid of the ,,dead,, mercury thats frozen untill atoms stop moving, and how to freeze something until its -267C'

[Krawnikal]

I've heard something like you could have mercury at temps at -275 c or lower if you were to compound other elements into it so it doesn't freeze.

Chemistry and all that isn't really my forte' I admit though, only heard that once.

[ronmann606]

A lifter has flown in a vacuum. A lifter has flown inside an enclosed plastic bag. Both are well documented. Ionic wind has been measured to contribute to lift by 2-30%. The other 70-98% of lift comes from another force, perhaps antigravity. If the lifter was weighed inside the vacuum, the weight would reduce when its powered, just not enough to provide lift.

[Joeviocoe]

that math is from a very flawed experiment that assumed that a wind meter could detect all the moving air. The air doesn't move in one LONG, SLOW motion like a fan. But a VERY FAST BUT SHORT burst only a few millimeters in distance. But since the speed makes up for displacement, it has the same thrust.

The bag is silly because it only shows that air is not touching the wire or foil as if it needed contact to work. Since electrostatics can charge the air OUTSIDE THE BAG, it will have no effect.

[mummyfunk]

proof?

[ichersue]

how in the world (in this world, at least) could they have had any "wind" inside a "vacuum?" maybe they were measuring the cavity inside their craniums, those two terms would be perfect descriptions of their scientific accuracy. and if it's so well documented, why won't you tell us who did those tests?

[mike4ty4]

Then why did nothing show up on the gravity meter that was sensitive enough to pick up earthquakes you can't even feel and the tiny change from the moon?

[spyletu]

giggly dumb blonde? holy shit they busted anti gravity under a week of testing. they deserve nobel prizes.

[Joeviocoe]

you don't get the nobel prize for disproving theories.

[spyletu]

sarcasm.

and if i remember correctly, nobel prize was once given to a physicist who didn't do anything except giving a modification to eistein's relativity. so ya you do get it for disproving a theory, given that the theory is even established in the first place. not that i care about theoretical science and its hegemony science communities these days. practical science and engineering excels today by many folds.

[mike4ty4]

But you use theory to get practical results, too. Theoretical and applied science go hand-in-hand, or at least they should.

Anyway, they didn't bust the idea of antigravity itself, just the two devices they tested. "Lifters" seem to be a common trap for antigravity "researchers", and I hope this helps to dispel their mystique. I can certainly see why they'd be appealing: they do do something when in a garage environment. But when you start doing more sophisticated tests like vacuum, they fail.

[BeamshipGeneral]

Darn tootin, but that's wishful thinking. You know how people get really drunk on weekends and then next day they feel like shit and swear to themselves they will never drink again, but then the next weekend it's a repeat performance? Ad-infinitum? That's the story with the youtube 'anti-grav researchers', except instead of Jim Beam it's Beamships. You don't have to have a whole lot of intellect to fall prey to an intellectual trap.

[JimBeamship]

That's funny but true. Every Friday everyone in the office goes down the street to Hilley's and we drink ourselves into a dumbfounding stupor. Saturday morning we stave off the inevitable with a hair of the dog, and continue the fight through the day and into the evening. But Sunday... well, you come to understand why church was invented for Sunday mornings. We go to pray that we will never drink again, and that someone impart unto us a semblance of equilibrium to sustain the week. Till Friday.

[mike4ty4]

What's the "wishful thinking", anyway?

[JimBeamship]

I think he means that the persons who keep insisting that lifters do work in a vacuum are relying on wishful thinking more than science. And then the drinking thing as an analogy, that their wishful thinking is to them what booze is to other people, it's an intoxicating behavioral trap (I don't understand the intellectual trap thing) A college professor I had used the very same analogy, it's probably in some psych textbook.

[mike4ty4]

That would make sense.

I thought the "intellectual trap" thing was what happens when you persist with an unworkable idea, like a lifter: it "traps" you, and you'll never find anything that does work, if that is possible, or if it isn't, you'll never realize it. I.e. you don't actually make any real progress.

[2011FindTheTruth]

@JimBeamship

This has been proven to work in a vacuum, it's not wishful thinking. Do some research, or better yet, make a lifter in a vacuum and see for yourself. Physics is like a religion, and people like you will do anything in their power to convince themself that it's rules can't be violated. Before you respond like an idiot, I suggest you research electrogravitcs.

[mattsonh]

@2011FindTheTruth - Perhaps my comment is a bit ambiguous, but I'm with you - These lifters are amazing and I think that there is more going on than Mythbusters would like us to believe.

[Joeviocoe]

@2011FindTheTruth

Except that it doesn't.... provide a video link, a source that is credible.

It will probably be the same crap hoax videos we have seen over and over again.

[steveecker]

@mike4ty4 Gravity only has two dependents, those are mass and distance between bodies. If you have mass, you automatically have gravity. Even if you somehow managed to "turn it off", and fall apart on the molecular level (gravity bonds them together), you would still have gravity. The only way you can affect gravity is adjusting distance, such as when a plane takes a dive or on a roller coaster. Other than that, adjusting your speed toward near lightspeed to alter your mass. Pointless.

[Joeviocoe]

You say THIS video is a fake? It was on the discovery channel, download it yourself if you like.

And the 'asymmetrical capacitor' IS EXACTLY WHAT I QUOTED IN THE FIRST VIDEO WHICH YOU HAVE COMMENTED ON ALREADY. READ BEFORE YOU SPOUT OFF STUPIDITY!!!

[lorenzogemma]

NASA US Patent 6317310 - "Apparatus and method for generating thrust using a two dimensional, asymmetrical capacitor module".

This video is a fake!

[ehpc]

This video is totally anti-scientific. Assumptions that lifter should work in vacuum and change gravitational field are neither complete nor necessary.

To make a somewhat real, strong conclusion one should do the following:

1. Place light air-proof material underneath the triangle to isolate air flow, that in theory causes the lift. Test lifter.

2. Also place such a material at the top of a triangle. Test.

[ehpc]

3. Make a sealed lining all over triangle to preserver air in it. Then place lifter in vacuum so that air will stay within a sealing. Test.

4. Repeat all previous tests under different input voltages and current.

5. Compute the ionised air lift force generated in normal conditions. Compute the force needed to lift triangle up to observed height and to secure it at that height. Compare values of the two forces.

[Joeviocoe]

I agree that MB is not scientific in ANY of their testing. Just entertainment. However, putting the lifter in a vacuum does prove that air IS NEEDED to create lift. And thus, is NOT anti-gravity.

Smoke tests have revealed also the motion of air around the lifter.

[mike4ty4]

So what would a complete scientific test look like? Though doesn't this simpler test already provide enough to pretty much dispel the "Lifter" idea and therefore indicate it as being useless for attempting to find "real" anti gravity?

[chang112x]

Totaly disinformation.

Lifter is not a pure antigravity device.

You busted lifter antigravity effect, not antigravity.

[Joeviocoe]

Not disinformation!

I titled the video "Lifter Anti-Gravity Myth". So I WAS specifically talking about lifters.

And "lifters" are not AT ALL antigravity.  Just a opposing force.

Antigravity may exist, but we don't even understand the cause of gravity yet so we cannot counter it. (I believe in WSM theory personally)

[supersexyass]

i dont think chang was talking about u being informative, you are btw, but he was talking about how the mythbusters were disinformative on the subject of antigravity being busted.

[kintarocrab]

Thank you for posting this. I really hope that the bunch of retards on youtube actually learn real physics, instead of speculating on things they know nothing about.

[kokuryukia]

There was no concrete conclusion.

just some head scratching, and opinions

[nicksynnz]

Why not put some ideas how the lifter can be technologically efficient instead of crawing off how smart you are.

[Joeviocoe]

Because, compared to conventional technology for lift, it IS NOT efficient at all. Space is the best place for this ion drive and it would still need a source of ions since air is absent.

[Joeviocoe]

dah.... dah... daaaahhh!

Suspenseful.

[M3T4LH34D812]

for now...