Juanita-Pussy Montoya drove like a dickbag all through his F1 career. At least in CART he had the Target-Ganassi car, where he was usually out in front by 10 seconds and could float along.
In the press conference after the race Montoya insulted Schumacher and told him that he was either blind or stupid. But Montoya was both, blind and stupid. First, being stupid enough to expect that Schumacher would give him the "gift" and then blind to not see Ralf.
@MySubtleMind At that press conference JPM had the balls to tell MS as it is. Such was the extent of the audience's response people just bursted out laughing,even JB could not hold back as it was evident that MS's own stupidity caught him out. MS was again outclassed by JPM in the public eye and forever!. Having that clear,you are just playing devious.
@TOXICTRACE Devious? You must be either Schumacher hater or Montoya fan, I'm neither. When such a thing happens people laugh, not because Montoya is right, but because he did it publicly. If you read my other comments you would see that I liked the guy because, exactly, he had balls to do fantastic moves on the race, but he was SO stupid, irrational! This video is a perfect example of his double standards. If he does it, fine. If they do it on him he cries like a little baby.
@MySubtleMind Erm...since when to tell the truth about someone as notorious as MS is to be a hater,a stupid, irrational..double standards?... double standars? Wow how astonishing,how ironic. As i said, you are just playing devious. Dispensed your plesentries towards JPM. Ba,bye
@mgarofano sure and raikonen beat him in mclaren and montoya was kicket middle in the session out of the formula 1 cuz he destroy every 2. race the car cuz he cant drive and senna cheats to prost to schumi to now what say you? and senna is the greatest driver from experts but he cheatet the same like prost and schumi the same now ? can you confirm that you understand this message ah yea and montoya was 4 seconds faster in the rain like schumi barcelona 96 montoya = n4p
No, and noone has been forgotten .Without the dirty game nowadays also Montoya would be world champion (2003) -anyway you are not the only one that ignore that - . Mainstream media are very powerful.
@mgarofano WDC in 2003? No. If he had stuck with Mclaren rather than quiting he would have been in the championship winning-level 2007 Mclaren, then we could talk about Monotoya being a world chapionship (whether actual or rightful or neither).
And if anything, brand new rules give Ferrari another chance to just use their funding to retain their position at #1
Ferrari have easily the largest budget in F1
So when brand new rules and lots of changes come in, THEY have the advantage.
What happened though, is that luckily some hard working people at McLaren managed to use lesser funding, to produce a faster car - ending in the 2007 battle and 2008 championship win.
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another prove that when he cant pass him safely he wouldnt care to crash,, its good he left the formula one and went back to nascar,, he didnt deserve driving in a real track,, he is used to go in circles just like a ham,,,
schumacher should have given him room. he was clearly on the outside. if montoya had just stuck with his line, it would have been the end of schuy's race and they would have blamed montoya even though he had nowhere to go. F1 just biased as hell. apparantly, if you are leading even by less than a car length you can basically do what you want in f1
@mbhmob Truth,if your name is MS president of the drivers asso & had FIA FIDDLErrari inter-aid as a plus.But oh no,here we have an user with the name ajkundi, which previously said: "montoya was ridiculously overrated" Erm ? phase number 1,i guess to ridiculed the truth is a must ",and added saying this: "you can just shut your mouth".hmm?! 2nd phase of the truth, violently opposed. 3rd... well the user hasn´t left phase 2,since is to busy insulting everyone who dears to speak the truth.
@TOXICTRACE 1. im expressing an opinion which im entitled to so you can just shut your mouth. 2. how is saying that he never achieved anything in the sport foolish? he won a few races, THATS IT! as a racing driver thats not an achievement, for any F1 driver the goal is to win championships and he didnt do that, therefore he's a failure. and as for me being a pretender? clearly i know more than you do so stop acting like a small child and grow up. bye bye
long story short, montoya was ridiculously overrated. had the best car in 2003 and couldnt become champ, same again in 2005. for people to say he's the most naturally talented driver in the last 15 years is laughable as he never achieved any thing in the sport. all he ever did was piss and moan and complain about everyone else. yeah he made a few pretty good overtaking moves but that is all he is remembered for as his F1 career was just a big failure.
@ajkundi Hmm to cut your comment short, as if we can called that a "comment",is that your sole pourpose was to come in here and, insult people which is the main thing in your little world,insulting that is, but "think" you are better, which it´s evident you far from it.As for "laughable",to say something like "he never achieved any thing in the soprt".Thats not only follish thing to say, it shows how much you know.What a pretender,now that´s laughable.Bye bye.
Caro ferrarista doc , fammi un favore ,procurami una ferrari , visto che ti trovi dammi anche un compagno di squadra schiavo che lavora soltanto per aiutare il primo pilota (per contratto) ,poi visto che ci sei occupati di fornirmi anche dei giudici ferrari dipendenti , ed in fine ,dato che ti trovi ,procurami anche un bel team ,un intero team (ferrari sauber) che lavora sempre per il primo pilota di casa ferrari .Il pilota lo metto io Alvaro Vitali e si vince comunque ...!!
Ahhh,day after day more and more persons are aware about the dirty game that there has been against Montoya and facts proves that with no doubt ,this is clearly an example of the fact that fake mainstream things can be won by the sound of the facts and truth. it's so funny to see some mainstream funny boy still fell hurt because of evidence..
@mgarofano Let´s remember a simple phrase by none other that the exceptional Ayrton Senna, who once said: "If a racing driver don´t got for a gap that exist,is not longer a racing driver" !!. More clear can´t it be. So base on that alone, what we think about the "comment" below. Hmm irony?!, ignorance is bless!.
@TOXICTRACE Well said , totally agree. In few words you said everything
You know , the power of mainstream is so huge that somone even forget the real sense of races . I suppose some of them ,could even consider as F1 the traffic row .
History repeats itself .Ayrton was boycotted because of Prost ,Montoya has been boycotted because of Schumacher ....... and so on .......
And all this is possibe mostly because there is a great lack of critical ability.
@TOXICTRACE Yes, it is the same thing. Montoya puts himself wide trying to get past MS. RS puts himself wide trying to get past Montoya, and in both cases, the defendng driver rightfully doesn't move over/yield, leaving the attacking driver to go off.
@ohargreaves Erm not. guess what, check it out the video carefully at 0:05 Look at the steering of MS,what´s that??, an erratic move from the "best" ??, or it´s because we can see once again the nose from JPM´s car eh?!. Also watch the video at the press conference and listen to what MS says. Maybe that can bring light for your thoughts!.
@TOXICTRACE If you look closely at 0:10 - 0:11, you'll see the rear end of the Ferrari step out slightly, explaining why he had to steer in that fashion. But regardless, Schumacher had the racing line, and Montoya had two options: go off the road trying to overtake, or simply lift off. He chose to go off. Racing incident, if you even call this worthy of being an "incident". End of.
@TOXICTRACE Montoya should have yielded if he didn't want to go off. He would have been free try to try passing Schumacher at the next corner instead of losing himself so much time. But instead, he tried to go around the outside of Schumacher at the hairpin, and failed.
@TOXICTRACE Watch the whole video, particulary at 0:10-0:12. Micheal doesn't turn into Montoya, the rear end of his Ferrari steps out slighty. You can spot it, pause at 0:11. It was only a small slide, but if he didn't correct it it could have turned into a big slide. And then he could have spun into the pack. Putting himself, and others in danger. So yes, he needed to correct the slide.
@xZeroF1 Ahh! so he MS´s had a slide "it was only a small slide" but," MS doesn´t turn into JPM",and the later decide to go for a grass cutting also is funny how you present an excuse to MS went at the press conference MS doesn´t mention anything remote to having an "slide or a small slide or any need to correct the slide as you called it.
@TOXICTRACE As for Schumacher forcing Montoya off as you'd call it, is nonsense. Listen to the commentator in the video, Martin Brundle. He says "There was no where for Montoya to be but Michael was on the racing line". Now Brundle is an ex F1 racer, so he knows more than you and me about F1. And he is not a Schumacher fan either. Infact he is usually the first to slam him when he does something bad. So Ii'll take his word.
@xZeroF1 By Courtesy of Doggydog,he does actually explain the meaning of racing line. Read his comments,other ways how a real racer will dear to overtake then?!, or is this likes trains, the wagons just follow?!. Who knows what MB was thinking at the time when he said that nonsense. I´ll be shock if he said that again, but what i´m certain is this: "If a racing driver doesn´t go for a gap that exist,is not longer a racing driver" AS.
@TOXICTRACE Well what he said made perfect sense. You can't blame Montoya for trying obviously, he's a racing driver. If he see's a gap he'll go for it. However Schumacher held his ground. Trust me, if it had been Montoya on the inside and Schumacher on the outside; Montoya would have held his ground. And it would have been Schumacher on the grass. You see Montoya hold his ground against Ralf here at the end of the video. And Ralf went off. Tough, but fair. A proper racer doesn't give up easily.
@TOXICTRACE I agree with you however that if they just followed round it will be boring. I understand what Martin Brundle said. Montoya wasn't wrong for trying a move round the outside. He's a proper racer and will try any gap. However he put himself in a vunerable position. He could have dropped back a little and tucked in right behind Schumacher. And then nailed him at the next oppurtunity. But he didn't, he stuck with it. Gonna have to go onto a new reply, about to run out of characters here.
@TOXICTRACE Montoya stuck with the move on this occasion and it didn't pay off. Schumacher didn't cheat, he was just on the racing line. And he never changed lines to force Montoya off. He stuck on one line. If it was Montoya on the inside, he would have done the same. Its not cheating if you don't change lines. Montoya was brave here, and it didn't pay off for him that time. But if it had done it would have been a mega overtake.
@xZeroF1 I have to stop you there!. I reply to your comment which you talk about an "slide" a "small slide" but then again MS never mention an "silde", even after the race never said anything close to had an "slide or small slide" Shouldn´t be important to mention that,when being question in public about it,or just ignored them, like he did to JPM in that piece of track,or maybe the excuse that you prensent today was to fast for MS to do so eh!.Don´t rush to asnwer.
@TOXICTRACE Of course he didn't mention it, it wasn't relevant. It was a small slide, if you can even call it that. I said that plainly to try and explain power oversteer to you, incase you didn't understand what it was. But it was power oversteer. When talking of his incident with Montoya he didn't need to mention it. Because it didn't affect him and it didn't affect Montoya. Even with TC drivers were common with power oversteer.
@xZeroF1 "it wasn´t relevant" Ah! so a possible excuse is not longer "relevant". Wow Astonishing the amount of rambling,to the point of being patronising. No matter how much someone would try to hide the dirt this innevitably will come to light!.I´m please to say the truth prevails and good bye.
@TOXICTRACE Yes, it wasn't relevant. You are trying to make it sound relevant as you beleive it wasn't power oversteer, but Schumacher trying to steer into Montoya. But thats not what he was trying to do, he was controling the oversteer. Seen the video of Montoyas onboard lap of Imola 2001. On the kerbs of the last chicane he power oversteers. The car twitches, same as here. And he corrects with movement of the steering wheel. Same as here. Oversteer doesn't sort itself out.
@TOXICTRACE But because all it was was power oversteer and not Schumacher trying to steer into Montoya, it isn't relevant. You see how Michael gets his wheels on the right over the white lines and onto the kerb. Those are slippery, even in dry conditions. On this occasion as he runs over them, the traction on the right of the car is less than on the left and the right rear wheel trys to push the rear end round. All this as the power is put down.
@TOXICTRACE You really do strike me as not being a very technical minded person. Theory and conspiracy is your strong side mate but trust me, I know of the technical sides.
@TOXICTRACE Also, before you tell me I'm talking bullshit; how about doing a bit of research first to how a rear wheel drive car acts when putting down power exiting a corner. Its called physics, my friend. And also, I'd expect someone with you intelligence to be able to realise and except that there isn't a conspiracy theory behind everything. And that sometimes racing incidents do happen. Maybe, I was wrong. :/
@xZeroF1 Ah! i touch a nerve oh well i usally do when people rush to answer and urge take over to insult me. Who said is conspiracy in everything i haven´t reach that far and i hope it doesn´t but i could have i tilte as a Theacher Physics,Mechanical enginer,Solicitor,PC,a Racing driver,MA, but it will mean penuts without integrity.You look for an excuse were there´s no excuse By the way you answer your little Q,and about you talking "bullshit" as you wrote i´m afraid i did said but was polite.
@TOXICTRACE I wasn't insulting you. I was simply pointing out I thought somebody with your intelligence supposedly would be able to understand there isn't a hidden story to everything. That isn't calling you dum, instead simply saying I don't understand your logic. Now I'd like to comment on the rest of your speech, but I can't understand it. I'm guessing your not English or from England as you English isn't very good. Its more grammar really. Though credit to you, you spelt most of it right.
@TOXICTRACE Hello Toxictrace, the point her is that our friend Zero has the wish to demonstrate that nothing against Montoya happened on purpose.
He pratically says substantially that the fact that FIA was pratically Ferrari -FIA, ,the fact that they helped Schumacher in many situation avoiding right penalties for schumy and on the contrary giving absurd penalties to Montoya , the fact that Ferrari had Blu Fferrari (SAUBER)against Montoya ....well all that doesn't mean absolutely nothing ....
@mgarofano Hi my friend. What of the thinks that´s shock me is that he quickly finds an excuse "a small slide" which could it be avalid one but then when i ask why MS did´n said anything remote to an "slide" when he was question in public (press confrence) Mr Zero answer: "that was not relevant". Erm hello?! So what was relevant as Mr 0 brougth to our attention, becomes suddendly irrelevant. What about that ah!.
@TOXICTRACE Ahhh, now funny zero is writing Zero things also in the video Montoya misfortune in Japan . By the way , I suppose he is the kind of person that starts saying something absurd and after he understand that ....and ....well he becomes very much confused and starts to say much more absurdity , doesn't sounds like that also to you ?
@TOXICTRACE And therefore all persons that underline and point out all these facts.......well .........in his head ......those persons are strange persons thinking about a conspiracy theory ...
What we can do .......?
Normally It would be enough to say that ,by definition , the simple fact that FIA was pratically Ferrari FIA ..........well .....by definition ......all the rest is even superfluous. But I suppose that in this case .......mainstream play as usual his role
@TOXICTRACE Oh and you see Montoya forcing Ralf Schumacher of the track here, yes? At the end of the video? Why have you not said anything about this? If it was Ralf doing it to Juan you would would have been shouting and raving. But in your books Montoya did it to Ralf so it is ok. Montoya actually did nothing wrong, he held his ground. Like Michael did in the same video. He had every right to defend. It was a racing incident, case closed!
@xZeroF1 As i said before to some other user that´s a Cause and Effect.Bloody rigth JPM hold is ground,after being pushed like that any RACER would do the same.
.The only people who call "best" at this or what MS did must of the time,(In particular FIDDLErrari days),are "people" blindfolded by propaganda,who don´t know the meaning of spormanship lef alone integrity. But of course for those he´s the best, because for me AN ACCOMPLICE FOR THE FIA,ULTIMATED THE "BEST" CHEATER IN F1 HISTORY.
yeah michael could have given more room but he's not required to under the rules....so. The rule says the right of way goes to the person on the racing line. meaning they have the right to stick to the racing line.
Montoya is surely the most natural talented driver of the last 15 years and all the big swindle by the well known F1cheaters, from scumacher to FIA ,simply made much more brightly Montoya's job that has been surely fantastic.
E' lo stesso tipo di sorpasso che faceva sempre Hamilton 2008-2009, ma se uno si chiama Schumacher allora si grida allo scandalo.
In ungheria 2010 hanno gridato allo scandalo solo perchè uno si chiama Schumacher ma nel 1985 qualcuno ha fatto molto peggio ma siccome non si chiamava Schumacher allora era tutto a posto.
@MrFerraristadoc Caro ferrarista doc , fammi un favore ,procurami una ferrari , visto che ti trovi dammi anche un compagno di squadra schiavo che lavora soltanto per aiutare il primo pilota (per contratto) ,poi visto che ci sei occupati di fornirmi anche dei giudici ferrari dipendenti , ed in fine ,dato che ti trovi ,procurami anche un bel team ,un intero team (ferrari sauber) che lavora sempre per il primo pilota di casa ferrari .Il pilota lo metto io Alvaro Vitali e si vince comunque ...!!
@mgarofano You kiddin right? natural talented of the last 15 years.... Ok, let's just forget Schumacher, and Hakkinen, Alonso and Raikkonen, who, in fact were all world champions...
Montoya was a moron for trying that on Michael who we all know is a dirty fuck. . Hey Juan, you live by the sword die by the sword. Get with it. Regarding FIA favoritism. Back in the Todt era with Mosley, anybody who not as numb as a frozen shrimp would have known that. Do we need to site sample after sample? come on now.
Why are you always and everywhere talking an posting about "Montoya=surely most talented driver of the last 15 years"? No sense, no arguments, no proof ... and: no knowledge about f1 ...
Well ..really thanks I totally agreed we have so much to learn from people older than us ,therefore I hope she will have long life so you 'll be very much enlighted
Jesus Christ, is this discussion still going? Pfffff .... Don't lose any sleep over it buddy.
So Alonso is a cheat and MSC isn't?Alonso should give room and MSC doesn't? That's what you're saying, ... and that my "friend" is exactly my point.
The only thing i am saying is that they (FIA, marshals, etc) should judge every driver the same way, and that they should not favour anyone. THATS IT !!!
Noone should "give room" or something like that. They never did back in the old days. Todays racing is so boring because noone fights. Who cares if Michael didn't see him, what is absolutely possible in this case though, or if he did. It's a great fight and nice to watch, it's exciting. That's F1! I want to see that! Not some lame boring nice weather racing where everyone loves each other.
''who cares if MS didn't see him'' Erm hello?!. Is not only the fact of the amount of loose talk coming from MS, is how he's so full of him self trying to put that one over the press conference;as if ''i can get away with anything, no one will question me''. Except of course A Senna or JPM. If it was the other way around,the FIA(fiddlerari inter-aid) would have desqualified JPM.
I don't care. I want to see racing and not a bunch of lame people who don't fight. Think what you want, if you want a perfect world in the Formula 1 you're wrong here. Your arguments about Schumacher are just as stupid as many Schumacher fans talk about Montoya or Senna. Just enjoy the racing and good fights over the limit.
Hey the point is, there are rules and rules are to follow, otherways what's the point. Equality,Fairness,Sportmanship, Even in Racing, ultimate Integrity,oh no but i'm wrong,and stupid. Please ignored me for wasting you time.
Yes I know there are rules, what I want to say is that people cant decide what they want you see? First they complain about boring races and no charackerts who fight. Then some does that and we have an exciting fight and everyone bitches around because it was too hard and not by the rules. That's the point, what do we want? Good races or everyone loving each other? I don't say you're stupid, I say without charackers and people driving the rules to its limits the F1 would be boring as hell.
@TOXICTRACE I don't want to read all the comments here, but it seems you think that Schumacher was in the wrong here? Can you explain the reason for that?
@Lolzilol123 Oh well, it doesn´t take that much time to read in order to clarify the issue. At least read the ones from Doggydog69,those one are pretty accurate.
@TOXICTRACE I don't see that he at any point describes why Schumacher should have moved. All his comments are about is how he thinks Montoya was cheated from a WDC. I would like to know why, in a situation with a driver on the inside and in front, he should change his line to make space for the driver behind. Could you please explain that to me?
@Lolzilol123 Erm?! who is talking about "changing lines" I´m sorry but dont´see how or why you want me to explain and issue that´s it´s allready done so by Doggydog69 which as i said before accurate explain on various comments.
@TOXICTRACE I thought you were? As far as I can see, Schumacher stays on the racing line and I thought your opinion was that he did something he shouldn't have.
I would for you to explain it because I don't see any reason for Schumacher being in the wrong. I might have missed something, and after having read all of doggydog69's comments, I can't find one where he explains the situation. He just keeps mentioning how Montoya is superior to Schumacher and should have been champion.
But the definition of the racingline is besides the point. The point is, that either everybody is supose to give room ... or ... nobody has to give room. And not everybody, except MSC.
I dont see why everybody has to debat on the whole MSC thing anymore. MSC was asked the question: RB (Ross Brawn) at benneton and they won, RB at Ferrari and won, at RB-GP and wins ... Michael, was it the car? Response: Yes it was. He knows he's not the best driver, so let it be.
I just saw in al videos saying that schumacher had the best car.But no you're wrong.Benneton wasnt the best car on grid when he won 94-95 world champ.Ferrari wasnt the best car on grid in 2000-2002<<Willians BMW was clearly the faster car on grid,ferrari had a little better aerodinamic but both cars were good.Only 2003/04 Ferrari was the better car on grid.About the video,what about montoya blocking schummy when he try to overtake outside?just search and u will find
Oh hell no ... BMW-Williams did not have the best car. They had the best "Engine" !! Like you said, the Ferrari aerodynamics where better. All and all, the Ferrari was the better car exept "maybe" the engine. The BMW engine had the most horse power but blew up sometimes. Williams BMW had far more technical problems than Ferrari.
But man what's the good thing in have good aerodinamic if u dont have so much engine to overtake in high speed sectors?ferrari better in circuits with medium-low speed of course but when u put on a high speed circuit like germany or italy BMW just owns the Ferrari
no problem i respect ur opinion and see ur point of view.AND FOR THOSE WHO THINK ALONSO IS BETTER THAN SCHUMMY...WTF????? BRIDGESTONE TIRES VS MICHELLIN TIRES??? NOWAY!!!!!
That's wrong. Schumi said it is the whole package, the car, the team and the driver. If Schumi wasn't the best driver ever who was it then? Shumi made everybody look like a monkey, on wet tires, on intermediates, on slicks. Schumi won his first titles in a car (Benneton) that was much slowlier. My gosh, if you are the best, there are so many pathetic people who can t stand, if somebody is simply superior.
"The point is, that either everybody is supose to give room ... or ... nobody has to give room. And not everybody, except MSC. " The bullshit you are talking. So, then why didn't they penalize Alonson in Imola 2005. He simply didn't want Schumi to overtake him. So he closed the door at every corner. What a cheat, isn't it??
Your argumentation, if there is any, is pretty lame. And this situation there is no way where Schumi reasonably could and should have given room to the Nascar driver monty.
(...has to overtake .. not wish him disappear...).. Yes, i agree on that but
comparing football is crazy, not the same. Keeper is allowed to catch the ball, thats the his purpose... Like in Muay Thai fight its not fair to block a kick ... when your suppose to do that. For this F1 clip; MSC was wrong pushing JPM off track, should have giving JPM room, not let him pass, but give room, like JPM had to do or get a penalty from FIA. BUT; this is no blame on MSC or JPM. Its blame on stewards and FIA.
Then you don't understand about the physics of racing driving. Racing line means that this is the ideal curve you race on to minimize the time, given that you race on the limit. Giving room means (I still don't understand why MS should have given room here) that you have to leave the ideal curve, lose time or even worse risk of skidding, since you are already at the limit, in terms of lateral forces that you bring on the road. One step ahead and you start skidding.
@Doggydoggg69 - you surely must concede that montoya was overambitious here. trying to overtake MSC on the outside of a tight bend at imola?
schumacher was surely under the impression that montoya would've slotted back in behind, but no, montoya had to try and overtake him on the outside on the curbing.
one thing that montoya fanboys fail to realise is that montoya did pretty much exactly the same thing to his own team mate not 5 seconds later, but that's probably schumi's fault too...
@Doggydogg69 Ha! "Montoya fans "fail" to realise that he did pretty much the same".Ah! so base on that one Schumacher fans have finally accept it, that indeed he did one of his notorious moves,after constantly argue,denied it . Wow since when we fail to see what JPM did AFTER. That´s consequence of cause and effect. and after all we know who was the driver on the other car do we?!!
@TOXICTRACE - apart from the fact that your response was very poorly worded, never did i say that what montoya did was unsporting or deliberate and the same applies to schumacher's move.
i was merely pointing out that fact that montoya (a guy who has proven to be a dirty driver on more than one occasion) fans have double standards and completely ignore the fact that if schumacher did what montoya did to ralf, you would jump up and down squeeling, "schumacher cheater! schumacher dirty driver!"
@FormulaOneFan4Eva To many words,a moment you go on about: "I never said Montoya was unsporting" by the next sentence you accused him saying: "Montoya a guy who has proven to be dirty". Erm? Ha! as i said too many words, when a a man do´n´t value his words it means nothing. So dispense your pleasantry and, don´t send´me any more or your mendacious´"comment".
@TOXICTRACE - ah, quote mining, i knew you would resort to it at some point... if you would keep my points in context, you'd understand.
while montoya has proven to be dirty on a number of occasions, i didn't see anything wrong with this move in particular. hence when you have a look at my point properly, "never did i say that WHAT MONTOYA DID was unsporting"...
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Yes off course it was ambitious, but not Overambitious. The move he made in Spa 2004 at the Busstopchicane was ambitious too, but everybody agrees that it was a marvelous overtaking manouvre. If the move in this clip above ended up in an overtaking, you would have said it was brilijant, right?
In my opinion ambitious moves are good, that shows that your are a real racer and willing to go for it, for any gap you see, no matter how small.
@Doggydoggg69 Wel said man. It seems someone does have the mayor of words and anything goes. Maybe confused,well any body that is blinfolded by Schumacher propaganda will be as to how some Colombian, come along after the unfortunate of the exceptional of AS and with the same aproach to racing,shaked MS chair whiles his years of supremacy package eh. "Oh noo that ain´t true". ha!!!!!!
@Doggydoggg69 - his overtake on schumacher at spa was completely different. first of all, he had a much quicker car than michael (at that point in the race, obviously) and the overtake was done on an 90 vs. 90 S-bend which are favourable for overtaking.
this one, he attempted on a corner where nobody in history has ever overtaken on the outside before, that's an example of how ambitious it was. to equate this move with the one he made on schumi in spa is a little silly.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva S-bend favourable .. hmm yeah ok. The S-bend at Spa, moah, debatable. Besides that, Spa was just an example. My point was that is was ambitous and that i favour ambitious moves.
@Doggydoggg69 - yes, but if you try an ambitious move, don't whinge when somebody takes the regular racing line because they didn't expect you to be there.
montoya must have known that move would never have worked and schumacher just held his line, nothing wrong with that.
Haha well ..., to go from one quote to the next: "he had to be blind or stupid to not see him"
/watch?v=urAzPF6Yw8w
Come on now, MS knew damn well that JPM was there.
BUT, to approach it as if I was an impartial (which off course i am not ;p ) F1 viewer, like I said before I dont nessecarily blame MS. The blame is more on the stewards and FIA. (see comment above with the 14 thumbs up).
@Doggydoggg69 - "he had to be blind or stupid to not see him" came right from montoya's mouth, like he's going to be impartial.
MS would've been concentrating on his exit, not worrying about somebody in a williams attempting a move that ANYBODY could've told, wouldn't have worked...
@FormulaOneFan4Eva True, like "didnt expect him to be there" came out of MS his mouth ... Like MS wasnt lying. He knows JPM for three years to that point. By then he should know he could expect Montoya EVERYWHERE!
@Doggydoggg69 - yeah, everywhere practical. but that was not a practical move. also, why should schumacher have to give montoya extra space because he expects montoya to attempt moves that can only end in tears for one of them? that's montoya's problem, not schumacher. overtake under braking or at least on the inside!
take it from martin brundle (a notable critic of schumacher) to defend schumacher. if the roles were reversed, you'd be coming out swinging with defences of montoya...
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Well the giving room part was an older discussion. What i ment by that is that all drivers had (have) to be treated equaly. Either ms has to leave room for jpm AND jpm has to leave room for ms, or neither has to leave room to each other.
Back then, if JPM pushed MS of the track, JPM would get a penalty. When MS pushes JPM of track ..nothing happend. And that was the main frustration those years, favourtism towards MS. Malaysia 2002 for example, really was a bullshit penalty.
@Doggydoggg69 - again, your points are irrelevent. we're not discussing favouritism towards schumi (which, i will admit, there was a lot of), but whether this move coming from MS was fair or not and you are still to provide me with a logically consistent argument as to why it was unfair.
the fact is, nobody has or probably ever will overtake at that corner around the outside, it's practically impossible. so why does schumi need to give room? montoya should've know it was a dumb move.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Actually we are discussing that indirectly, so my points are not irrelevent but you are simply missing the point ...
Why it was unfair? Because JPM pulled up far enough beside MS to make it a worthy attempt (a bit ambitious but worthy) and MS still pushed him of the track. If the shoe was on the other foot, JPM would have been penalized, period.
What it comes down to is that you think it was OVER ambitious and i dont, so we wont see eye to eye. Lets leave it at that.
@Doggydoggg69 Fantastic response. Love the last sentence.As we know very well,when conventional ever stop JPM ah!.Now Lets remember a phrase from FW: "Such is the talent of JPM, that he can pass anyone in the most audacious ways, that even MS can´t overcome". The truth prevails MONTOYEAH.
BMW-Williams had a good car at that time, but it was not the best car on the grid, unfortunately that was the Ferrari. So how do you mean that MSC would have won all WC in a BMW? Thats a stupid remark.
Ferrari was the best car/team because MS, Ross Brawn, and Jean Todt made it like this. When MS when to Ferrari in 1996, the scuderia wasn't even middle class. Similarly, if MS had gone to BMW or McLaren, he would have made this team a winning team. It is about a winning mentality. He was obsessed about winning. Not like JPM (or Alonso in 2007) complaining about everything but else but themselves. To blame anything in this situation on MS is simply ridiculous.
Ferrari and Schumi outclassed everybody. They made everybody look like monkeys, compared to them. That's what makes everybody angry. And what most of the Montis, Lloronsos or whoever don't understand that you have to excel in everything. You have to be the best driver, which Schumi without doubt is, and you also have to work constantly on the car, which Schumi and Brawn also did.
Start a discussion with you? I wasn't even talking to you.You wheren't in this discussion in the first place, you just joined.
You must think that everybody is suppose to make way for MSC and that it is not allowed to attack him on the track. Its because of that mentality that F1 was so boring without any spectacle. People like JPM made it exiting again, as it is suppose to be, just attacking the driver in front of you, no matter who it is.
"You must think that everybody is suppose to make way for MSC and that it is not allowed to attack him on the track." ??? ... Feel free to attack anybody you want. Also JPM is and was invited but as I said what should MS have done in this situation, disappear so that JPM can overtake?? It is like in football, you have to shoot the ball around the goalkeeper. If he catches the ball you cannot say that this is unfair. In the same, JPM has to overtake MS, not simply wish him to disappear.
All these loser and Schumi haters that post comments in favor of this wacky lunatic (JPM) simply can't stand that MS won against everybody on the track. Again, MS was on the racing line and doesn't have to disappear only because this shitty driver (JPM) wants to overtake. JPM has to take the line around MS who is on the racing line. Maybe that's how you can do it in Bogota where people even will think that you are "real macho" (hahaha) but this is F1 racing. Glad this idiot (JPM) is out of F1.
And don't start a discussion with me about whether JPM was the best driver! 7 wins out of 95 race participations, being driver in top teams. Oh man, MS would have won all the WCs as well, if he had driven in BMW-Williams or Merc-McLaren.
Ok, we are both grownups so ill talk to you in that manner.
Its strange to here you say that you dont deny the FIA favoritsim towards msc, but ask for an example, and dont see that in the Malaysia 2002 clip??
You mean that it was right of the FIA to penalize JPM for that, for being rammed bij MSC? First of all it was a racing accident, no penalty should be given to anyone, aspecialy not JPM, he didnt do anything. Like he said, he gave him room, and like he said: it was a bullshit FIA call.
What a bit of bullshit!! This shitty JPM would have been righteously dqf'ed. MS was on the racing line! If you want to overtake somebody you have to take the line around the racing line. Why is everybody so stupid! What should MS have done?? Disappear only because this wacky lunatic JPM can pass??!! It is like telling the goal keeper not to stay in the way of the football so that the the ball can enter the goal?? Is this how JPM also want to play football???
msc did nothing wrong. the only thing he coulda done was slow down to come off the racing line to make room for montoya. and lose momentum and give advantage to montoya? fuck that. montoya chose a poor time to make a move.
that wasnt the same. montoya came from behind and was on the outside of the turn and he just wanted msc to move from the racing line. not gonna happen. all your showing me with the video is more poor judgement on montoyas part. youre just blinded by your hate for msc like many other msc haters. im no msc fan but fair is fair. i dont deny any favoritism on fia with msc but you gotta show me something thats actually favoritism
You should not misinterpret the facts. The Malaysia incident indeed was controversial, JPM commented that it was unfair, MS comment it was "overly harsh".
The head steward at the event, Nazir Hoosein, had a history of making strange decisions, as he was head steward at the 1998 British Grand Prix, where Michael Schumacher won the race in the pitlane, which led to Hoosein losing his license to be a steward for a year.
I see a lot of stupid reactions to this clip, as stupid as the commentator in this clip. I hear u people talking about racingline bla bla. I'll tell u what the racingline is: ALL OF THE ASFALT !! Schumy should not have pushed Montoya of the track. If it was the other way around, the FIA would have disqualified Montoya. Juan was right at leaving F1, although i would have rather still seen hem in F1.
Montoya was an asshole off track and on track and not at all the driver he was made out to be by his fans. I'm so glad he's gone from f1 for good.
Anime998877 11 hours ago
lol at Ralf. Where the fuck is he going.
NottinghamForest22 3 months ago
schumacher estaba manejando borracho, se ve en la forma como mueve el volante con la intension de sacar a montoya fuera de la pista.
cumbambon malintensionado
oskrvillar 3 months ago
Juanita-Pussy Montoya drove like a dickbag all through his F1 career. At least in CART he had the Target-Ganassi car, where he was usually out in front by 10 seconds and could float along.
Hiei2k7 3 months ago
lol @ ralf schumacher
FookinLiam 4 months ago
why was montoya later complaining if he did a carbon copy on his own teamate?
TheAdams2006 4 months ago
In the press conference after the race Montoya insulted Schumacher and told him that he was either blind or stupid. But Montoya was both, blind and stupid. First, being stupid enough to expect that Schumacher would give him the "gift" and then blind to not see Ralf.
MySubtleMind 5 months ago
@MySubtleMind At that press conference JPM had the balls to tell MS as it is. Such was the extent of the audience's response people just bursted out laughing,even JB could not hold back as it was evident that MS's own stupidity caught him out. MS was again outclassed by JPM in the public eye and forever!. Having that clear,you are just playing devious.
TOXICTRACE 5 months ago
@TOXICTRACE Devious? You must be either Schumacher hater or Montoya fan, I'm neither. When such a thing happens people laugh, not because Montoya is right, but because he did it publicly. If you read my other comments you would see that I liked the guy because, exactly, he had balls to do fantastic moves on the race, but he was SO stupid, irrational! This video is a perfect example of his double standards. If he does it, fine. If they do it on him he cries like a little baby.
MySubtleMind 5 months ago
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TOXICTRACE 5 months ago
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@MySubtleMind Erm...since when to tell the truth about someone as notorious as MS is to be a hater,a stupid, irrational..double standards?... double standars? Wow how astonishing,how ironic. As i said, you are just playing devious. Dispensed your plesentries towards JPM. Ba,bye
TOXICTRACE 5 months ago
If you no longer go for a gap then you are no longer a racing driver - Ayrton Senna
lelone22 5 months ago 2
best title "schumachers vs montoya" xdd
rukocebuko 7 months ago
No sense comment.
mgarofano 8 months ago
@mgarofano sure and raikonen beat him in mclaren and montoya was kicket middle in the session out of the formula 1 cuz he destroy every 2. race the car cuz he cant drive and senna cheats to prost to schumi to now what say you? and senna is the greatest driver from experts but he cheatet the same like prost and schumi the same now ? can you confirm that you understand this message ah yea and montoya was 4 seconds faster in the rain like schumi barcelona 96 montoya = n4p
Grisu94x 8 months ago
No, and noone has been forgotten .Without the dirty game nowadays also Montoya would be world champion (2003) -anyway you are not the only one that ignore that - . Mainstream media are very powerful.
mgarofano 8 months ago
@mgarofano WDC in 2003? No. If he had stuck with Mclaren rather than quiting he would have been in the championship winning-level 2007 Mclaren, then we could talk about Monotoya being a world chapionship (whether actual or rightful or neither).
MetaKnightsKirby 6 months ago
What's worse is Sepang, was it 2005?
I don't remember, but Montoya took the lead, Schumacher (AS USUAL) can't accept defeat - crashes into the side of Montoya at Turn 1
And then MONTOYA GOT A PENALTY?
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Ferrari International Assistance strikes again.
tjbayliss 8 months ago 11
@tjbayliss Yeah of course, when the same FIA changed the rules for 2005 to deliberatly hinder Ferrari... Though I admit that penalty was nonsense.
MetaKnightsKirby 6 months ago
@MetaKnightsKirby Nothing in 2005 could have "hindered" Ferrari
And if anything, brand new rules give Ferrari another chance to just use their funding to retain their position at #1
Ferrari have easily the largest budget in F1
So when brand new rules and lots of changes come in, THEY have the advantage.
What happened though, is that luckily some hard working people at McLaren managed to use lesser funding, to produce a faster car - ending in the 2007 battle and 2008 championship win.
tjbayliss 6 months ago
@tjbayliss The tire regulations in 2005 did not suit Ferrari at all, the FIA likely designed them this way due to their dominance of 2004.
'Easily'? Their budget is simmilar to Mclaren's.
MetaKnightsKirby 6 months ago
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tjbayliss 6 months ago
If by similar you mean £50-100 million higher than McLaren, then yes.
Luckily since 2008, teams have been spending a lot less.
These days they spend like 1/4 of what they were spending in 2006, so it's a closer competition.
Sadly, Red Bull are miracle workers :|
tjbayliss 6 months ago
@tjbayliss No, I mean within 5-10 million of each other, and lower than Toyota.
MetaKnightsKirby 6 months ago
@tjbayliss stupid idiot learn that people make mistakes fuck you why dont you drive one
lifethelifetoday 5 months ago
@tjbayliss 2002!
Marcus666Sund 2 months ago
@tjbayliss 2002.
Jejking 1 week ago
that a fckin gay! he pushed his own teammate of the track... WTF?!
DeadChainSaw1 9 months ago
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another prove that when he cant pass him safely he wouldnt care to crash,, its good he left the formula one and went back to nascar,, he didnt deserve driving in a real track,, he is used to go in circles just like a ham,,,
mrfmousa9 10 months ago
best f1 driver..he had the balls to take on schumacker and the outright skill and determination to win too..a LEGEND!
ains085 10 months ago 4
schumacher should have given him room. he was clearly on the outside. if montoya had just stuck with his line, it would have been the end of schuy's race and they would have blamed montoya even though he had nowhere to go. F1 just biased as hell. apparantly, if you are leading even by less than a car length you can basically do what you want in f1
mbhmob 10 months ago
@mbhmob Truth,if your name is MS president of the drivers asso & had FIA FIDDLErrari inter-aid as a plus.But oh no,here we have an user with the name ajkundi, which previously said: "montoya was ridiculously overrated" Erm ? phase number 1,i guess to ridiculed the truth is a must ",and added saying this: "you can just shut your mouth".hmm?! 2nd phase of the truth, violently opposed. 3rd... well the user hasn´t left phase 2,since is to busy insulting everyone who dears to speak the truth.
TOXICTRACE 10 months ago
@TOXICTRACE 1. im expressing an opinion which im entitled to so you can just shut your mouth. 2. how is saying that he never achieved anything in the sport foolish? he won a few races, THATS IT! as a racing driver thats not an achievement, for any F1 driver the goal is to win championships and he didnt do that, therefore he's a failure. and as for me being a pretender? clearly i know more than you do so stop acting like a small child and grow up. bye bye
ajkundi 10 months ago
long story short, montoya was ridiculously overrated. had the best car in 2003 and couldnt become champ, same again in 2005. for people to say he's the most naturally talented driver in the last 15 years is laughable as he never achieved any thing in the sport. all he ever did was piss and moan and complain about everyone else. yeah he made a few pretty good overtaking moves but that is all he is remembered for as his F1 career was just a big failure.
ajkundi 10 months ago
@ajkundi Hmm to cut your comment short, as if we can called that a "comment",is that your sole pourpose was to come in here and, insult people which is the main thing in your little world,insulting that is, but "think" you are better, which it´s evident you far from it.As for "laughable",to say something like "he never achieved any thing in the soprt".Thats not only follish thing to say, it shows how much you know.What a pretender,now that´s laughable.Bye bye.
TOXICTRACE 10 months ago
montoya is one of the stubisted driver of formula 1 he makes every 2 races a accident -.-
Grisu94x 11 months ago
Caro ferrarista doc , fammi un favore ,procurami una ferrari , visto che ti trovi dammi anche un compagno di squadra schiavo che lavora soltanto per aiutare il primo pilota (per contratto) ,poi visto che ci sei occupati di fornirmi anche dei giudici ferrari dipendenti , ed in fine ,dato che ti trovi ,procurami anche un bel team ,un intero team (ferrari sauber) che lavora sempre per il primo pilota di casa ferrari .Il pilota lo metto io Alvaro Vitali e si vince comunque ...!!
mgarofano 1 year ago
Sorry, but how was this Schumacher's fault? What did you guys expect him to do, get off the racing line because someone was on his side?
1984ThoughtPolice 1 year ago
Ahhh,day after day more and more persons are aware about the dirty game that there has been against Montoya and facts proves that with no doubt ,this is clearly an example of the fact that fake mainstream things can be won by the sound of the facts and truth. it's so funny to see some mainstream funny boy still fell hurt because of evidence..
mgarofano 1 year ago
@mgarofano Let´s remember a simple phrase by none other that the exceptional Ayrton Senna, who once said: "If a racing driver don´t got for a gap that exist,is not longer a racing driver" !!. More clear can´t it be. So base on that alone, what we think about the "comment" below. Hmm irony?!, ignorance is bless!.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE Well said , totally agree. In few words you said everything
You know , the power of mainstream is so huge that somone even forget the real sense of races . I suppose some of them ,could even consider as F1 the traffic row .
History repeats itself .Ayrton was boycotted because of Prost ,Montoya has been boycotted because of Schumacher ....... and so on .......
And all this is possibe mostly because there is a great lack of critical ability.
mgarofano 1 year ago
XD ralf schumacher tries to pass montoya, what a fail.
JGDrumandBass 1 year ago
lol ralf <3
wjvh92 1 year ago
LOL at the people trying to put all the blame on MS when Montoya did the exact same thing to RS, his teammate there at the end.
ohargreaves 1 year ago
@ohargreaves "exact same thing" Erm no,is cause and effect.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
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ohargreaves 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE Yes, it is the same thing. Montoya puts himself wide trying to get past MS. RS puts himself wide trying to get past Montoya, and in both cases, the defendng driver rightfully doesn't move over/yield, leaving the attacking driver to go off.
ohargreaves 1 year ago
@ohargreaves Erm not. guess what, check it out the video carefully at 0:05 Look at the steering of MS,what´s that??, an erratic move from the "best" ??, or it´s because we can see once again the nose from JPM´s car eh?!. Also watch the video at the press conference and listen to what MS says. Maybe that can bring light for your thoughts!.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE If you look closely at 0:10 - 0:11, you'll see the rear end of the Ferrari step out slightly, explaining why he had to steer in that fashion. But regardless, Schumacher had the racing line, and Montoya had two options: go off the road trying to overtake, or simply lift off. He chose to go off. Racing incident, if you even call this worthy of being an "incident". End of.
ohargreaves 1 year ago
@ohargreaves "he chose to go off" Oh! silly me i get it now.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE Montoya should have yielded if he didn't want to go off. He would have been free try to try passing Schumacher at the next corner instead of losing himself so much time. But instead, he tried to go around the outside of Schumacher at the hairpin, and failed.
ohargreaves 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE Watch the whole video, particulary at 0:10-0:12. Micheal doesn't turn into Montoya, the rear end of his Ferrari steps out slighty. You can spot it, pause at 0:11. It was only a small slide, but if he didn't correct it it could have turned into a big slide. And then he could have spun into the pack. Putting himself, and others in danger. So yes, he needed to correct the slide.
xZeroF1 1 year ago
@xZeroF1 Ahh! so he MS´s had a slide "it was only a small slide" but," MS doesn´t turn into JPM",and the later decide to go for a grass cutting also is funny how you present an excuse to MS went at the press conference MS doesn´t mention anything remote to having an "slide or a small slide or any need to correct the slide as you called it.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE As for Schumacher forcing Montoya off as you'd call it, is nonsense. Listen to the commentator in the video, Martin Brundle. He says "There was no where for Montoya to be but Michael was on the racing line". Now Brundle is an ex F1 racer, so he knows more than you and me about F1. And he is not a Schumacher fan either. Infact he is usually the first to slam him when he does something bad. So Ii'll take his word.
xZeroF1 1 year ago
@xZeroF1 By Courtesy of Doggydog,he does actually explain the meaning of racing line. Read his comments,other ways how a real racer will dear to overtake then?!, or is this likes trains, the wagons just follow?!. Who knows what MB was thinking at the time when he said that nonsense. I´ll be shock if he said that again, but what i´m certain is this: "If a racing driver doesn´t go for a gap that exist,is not longer a racing driver" AS.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE Well what he said made perfect sense. You can't blame Montoya for trying obviously, he's a racing driver. If he see's a gap he'll go for it. However Schumacher held his ground. Trust me, if it had been Montoya on the inside and Schumacher on the outside; Montoya would have held his ground. And it would have been Schumacher on the grass. You see Montoya hold his ground against Ralf here at the end of the video. And Ralf went off. Tough, but fair. A proper racer doesn't give up easily.
xZeroF1 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE I agree with you however that if they just followed round it will be boring. I understand what Martin Brundle said. Montoya wasn't wrong for trying a move round the outside. He's a proper racer and will try any gap. However he put himself in a vunerable position. He could have dropped back a little and tucked in right behind Schumacher. And then nailed him at the next oppurtunity. But he didn't, he stuck with it. Gonna have to go onto a new reply, about to run out of characters here.
xZeroF1 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE Montoya stuck with the move on this occasion and it didn't pay off. Schumacher didn't cheat, he was just on the racing line. And he never changed lines to force Montoya off. He stuck on one line. If it was Montoya on the inside, he would have done the same. Its not cheating if you don't change lines. Montoya was brave here, and it didn't pay off for him that time. But if it had done it would have been a mega overtake.
xZeroF1 1 year ago
@xZeroF1 I have to stop you there!. I reply to your comment which you talk about an "slide" a "small slide" but then again MS never mention an "silde", even after the race never said anything close to had an "slide or small slide" Shouldn´t be important to mention that,when being question in public about it,or just ignored them, like he did to JPM in that piece of track,or maybe the excuse that you prensent today was to fast for MS to do so eh!.Don´t rush to asnwer.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE Of course he didn't mention it, it wasn't relevant. It was a small slide, if you can even call it that. I said that plainly to try and explain power oversteer to you, incase you didn't understand what it was. But it was power oversteer. When talking of his incident with Montoya he didn't need to mention it. Because it didn't affect him and it didn't affect Montoya. Even with TC drivers were common with power oversteer.
xZeroF1 1 year ago
@xZeroF1 "it wasn´t relevant" Ah! so a possible excuse is not longer "relevant". Wow Astonishing the amount of rambling,to the point of being patronising. No matter how much someone would try to hide the dirt this innevitably will come to light!.I´m please to say the truth prevails and good bye.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE Yes, it wasn't relevant. You are trying to make it sound relevant as you beleive it wasn't power oversteer, but Schumacher trying to steer into Montoya. But thats not what he was trying to do, he was controling the oversteer. Seen the video of Montoyas onboard lap of Imola 2001. On the kerbs of the last chicane he power oversteers. The car twitches, same as here. And he corrects with movement of the steering wheel. Same as here. Oversteer doesn't sort itself out.
xZeroF1 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE But because all it was was power oversteer and not Schumacher trying to steer into Montoya, it isn't relevant. You see how Michael gets his wheels on the right over the white lines and onto the kerb. Those are slippery, even in dry conditions. On this occasion as he runs over them, the traction on the right of the car is less than on the left and the right rear wheel trys to push the rear end round. All this as the power is put down.
xZeroF1 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE You really do strike me as not being a very technical minded person. Theory and conspiracy is your strong side mate but trust me, I know of the technical sides.
xZeroF1 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE Also, before you tell me I'm talking bullshit; how about doing a bit of research first to how a rear wheel drive car acts when putting down power exiting a corner. Its called physics, my friend. And also, I'd expect someone with you intelligence to be able to realise and except that there isn't a conspiracy theory behind everything. And that sometimes racing incidents do happen. Maybe, I was wrong. :/
xZeroF1 1 year ago
@xZeroF1 Ah! i touch a nerve oh well i usally do when people rush to answer and urge take over to insult me. Who said is conspiracy in everything i haven´t reach that far and i hope it doesn´t but i could have i tilte as a Theacher Physics,Mechanical enginer,Solicitor,PC,a Racing driver,MA, but it will mean penuts without integrity.You look for an excuse were there´s no excuse By the way you answer your little Q,and about you talking "bullshit" as you wrote i´m afraid i did said but was polite.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE I wasn't insulting you. I was simply pointing out I thought somebody with your intelligence supposedly would be able to understand there isn't a hidden story to everything. That isn't calling you dum, instead simply saying I don't understand your logic. Now I'd like to comment on the rest of your speech, but I can't understand it. I'm guessing your not English or from England as you English isn't very good. Its more grammar really. Though credit to you, you spelt most of it right.
xZeroF1 1 year ago
@xZeroF1 Well thanks.Yes it could be be better like most of the things-human things in this world i´m afraid.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE Hello Toxictrace, the point her is that our friend Zero has the wish to demonstrate that nothing against Montoya happened on purpose.
He pratically says substantially that the fact that FIA was pratically Ferrari -FIA, ,the fact that they helped Schumacher in many situation avoiding right penalties for schumy and on the contrary giving absurd penalties to Montoya , the fact that Ferrari had Blu Fferrari (SAUBER)against Montoya ....well all that doesn't mean absolutely nothing ....
mgarofano 1 year ago
@mgarofano Hi my friend. What of the thinks that´s shock me is that he quickly finds an excuse "a small slide" which could it be avalid one but then when i ask why MS did´n said anything remote to an "slide" when he was question in public (press confrence) Mr Zero answer: "that was not relevant". Erm hello?! So what was relevant as Mr 0 brougth to our attention, becomes suddendly irrelevant. What about that ah!.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE Ahhh, now funny zero is writing Zero things also in the video Montoya misfortune in Japan . By the way , I suppose he is the kind of person that starts saying something absurd and after he understand that ....and ....well he becomes very much confused and starts to say much more absurdity , doesn't sounds like that also to you ?
mgarofano 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE And therefore all persons that underline and point out all these facts.......well .........in his head ......those persons are strange persons thinking about a conspiracy theory ...
What we can do .......?
Normally It would be enough to say that ,by definition , the simple fact that FIA was pratically Ferrari FIA ..........well .....by definition ......all the rest is even superfluous. But I suppose that in this case .......mainstream play as usual his role
mgarofano 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE Oh and you see Montoya forcing Ralf Schumacher of the track here, yes? At the end of the video? Why have you not said anything about this? If it was Ralf doing it to Juan you would would have been shouting and raving. But in your books Montoya did it to Ralf so it is ok. Montoya actually did nothing wrong, he held his ground. Like Michael did in the same video. He had every right to defend. It was a racing incident, case closed!
xZeroF1 1 year ago
@xZeroF1 As i said before to some other user that´s a Cause and Effect.Bloody rigth JPM hold is ground,after being pushed like that any RACER would do the same.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
montoya is only a shit
dkdadlh 1 year ago
.The only people who call "best" at this or what MS did must of the time,(In particular FIDDLErrari days),are "people" blindfolded by propaganda,who don´t know the meaning of spormanship lef alone integrity. But of course for those he´s the best, because for me AN ACCOMPLICE FOR THE FIA,ULTIMATED THE "BEST" CHEATER IN F1 HISTORY.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
Schumacher was the best.
MrMdC94 1 year ago 2
yeah michael could have given more room but he's not required to under the rules....so. The rule says the right of way goes to the person on the racing line. meaning they have the right to stick to the racing line.
aieljose 1 year ago
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Montoya is surely the most natural talented driver of the last 15 years and all the big swindle by the well known F1cheaters, from scumacher to FIA ,simply made much more brightly Montoya's job that has been surely fantastic.
mgarofano 1 year ago 9
@mgarofano FIA can't drive for you ! :))
tracto91 1 year ago 14
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mgarofano 1 year ago
@tracto91 Exactly ,they drove for schumacher ,shameful and disgusting
mgarofano 1 year ago
@mgarofano Also Hamilton is a well known cheater, you know?
MrMdC94 1 year ago
@mgarofano this was just stupid by montoya. a natural talented driver isn't as stupid as montoya always was (and still is ^^)
christianBVB09 1 year ago
@mgarofano
E' lo stesso tipo di sorpasso che faceva sempre Hamilton 2008-2009, ma se uno si chiama Schumacher allora si grida allo scandalo.
In ungheria 2010 hanno gridato allo scandalo solo perchè uno si chiama Schumacher ma nel 1985 qualcuno ha fatto molto peggio ma siccome non si chiamava Schumacher allora era tutto a posto.
MrFerraristadoc 1 year ago
@MrFerraristadoc Caro ferrarista doc , fammi un favore ,procurami una ferrari , visto che ti trovi dammi anche un compagno di squadra schiavo che lavora soltanto per aiutare il primo pilota (per contratto) ,poi visto che ci sei occupati di fornirmi anche dei giudici ferrari dipendenti , ed in fine ,dato che ti trovi ,procurami anche un bel team ,un intero team (ferrari sauber) che lavora sempre per il primo pilota di casa ferrari .Il pilota lo metto io Alvaro Vitali e si vince comunque ...!!
mgarofano 1 year ago
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MrFerraristadoc 1 year ago
@mgarofano
Barrichello lo sapeva era il Che in solo con la Ferrari a Contratto Secondino il prezzo, ti ripeto se Lui l'ha Firmato SONO Cavoli Suoi.
E poi nel video si vede lontano chilometri che Schumacher era nella traettoria giusta , montoya dove voleva passare ?
MrFerraristadoc 1 year ago
@mgarofano No, Montoya was the 2cn most natural talented driver of the last 30 years. Best one got 7up...
zentralwerkstatt 11 months ago
@mgarofano The same fu_cking text in every video. Get a life, you freak.
Prussian84 8 months ago
@Prussian84 Anything else to say ? That's all ? Get a brain ,very poor comment
mgarofano 8 months ago
@mgarofano You kiddin right? natural talented of the last 15 years.... Ok, let's just forget Schumacher, and Hakkinen, Alonso and Raikkonen, who, in fact were all world champions...
champiforest 8 months ago
COME TIERRA MONTOYA...
ZELTENIOS 1 year ago
Montoya was a moron for trying that on Michael who we all know is a dirty fuck. . Hey Juan, you live by the sword die by the sword. Get with it. Regarding FIA favoritism. Back in the Todt era with Mosley, anybody who not as numb as a frozen shrimp would have known that. Do we need to site sample after sample? come on now.
bobbydavecci 1 year ago
looooool @ ralf
lebaneseonly 2 years ago
Montoya is surely the most talented driverof the last 15 years.
mgarofano 2 years ago
pfffffffffffffffff lol
SalvadorLimones 2 years ago 3
most asshole always he crach schumacher because he is just jelious him brain baby
kokaiy 2 years ago
Why are you always and everywhere talking an posting about "Montoya=surely most talented driver of the last 15 years"? No sense, no arguments, no proof ... and: no knowledge about f1 ...
sonadorito 2 years ago 5
Always and everywhere ...? ' Becase I'm god !! ahhh
Go to study carefully and also outside F1 and mainstream and after you'll probably understand ...sense, arguments and obviously proofs.
And apart from that remember that opinions don't t need proofs.
mgarofano 2 years ago
Yes man, you are an F1 expert mgarofano, like my grand mother!
supersim2008 2 years ago
Well ..really thanks I totally agreed we have so much to learn from people older than us ,therefore I hope she will have long life so you 'll be very much enlighted
mgarofano 2 years ago
hahaha mgarofano,
what are you talking about? Are you drunkin?
supersim2008 2 years ago
Jesus Christ, is this discussion still going? Pfffff .... Don't lose any sleep over it buddy.
So Alonso is a cheat and MSC isn't?Alonso should give room and MSC doesn't? That's what you're saying, ... and that my "friend" is exactly my point.
The only thing i am saying is that they (FIA, marshals, etc) should judge every driver the same way, and that they should not favour anyone. THATS IT !!!
Doggydoggg69 2 years ago 3
Noone should "give room" or something like that. They never did back in the old days. Todays racing is so boring because noone fights. Who cares if Michael didn't see him, what is absolutely possible in this case though, or if he did. It's a great fight and nice to watch, it's exciting. That's F1! I want to see that! Not some lame boring nice weather racing where everyone loves each other.
Killerkarpfen1990 1 year ago
''who cares if MS didn't see him'' Erm hello?!. Is not only the fact of the amount of loose talk coming from MS, is how he's so full of him self trying to put that one over the press conference;as if ''i can get away with anything, no one will question me''. Except of course A Senna or JPM. If it was the other way around,the FIA(fiddlerari inter-aid) would have desqualified JPM.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
I don't care. I want to see racing and not a bunch of lame people who don't fight. Think what you want, if you want a perfect world in the Formula 1 you're wrong here. Your arguments about Schumacher are just as stupid as many Schumacher fans talk about Montoya or Senna. Just enjoy the racing and good fights over the limit.
Killerkarpfen1990 1 year ago
Hey the point is, there are rules and rules are to follow, otherways what's the point. Equality,Fairness,Sportmanship, Even in Racing, ultimate Integrity,oh no but i'm wrong,and stupid. Please ignored me for wasting you time.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
Yes I know there are rules, what I want to say is that people cant decide what they want you see? First they complain about boring races and no charackerts who fight. Then some does that and we have an exciting fight and everyone bitches around because it was too hard and not by the rules. That's the point, what do we want? Good races or everyone loving each other? I don't say you're stupid, I say without charackers and people driving the rules to its limits the F1 would be boring as hell.
Killerkarpfen1990 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE I don't want to read all the comments here, but it seems you think that Schumacher was in the wrong here? Can you explain the reason for that?
Lolzilol123 1 year ago
@Lolzilol123 Oh well, it doesn´t take that much time to read in order to clarify the issue. At least read the ones from Doggydog69,those one are pretty accurate.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE I don't see that he at any point describes why Schumacher should have moved. All his comments are about is how he thinks Montoya was cheated from a WDC. I would like to know why, in a situation with a driver on the inside and in front, he should change his line to make space for the driver behind. Could you please explain that to me?
Lolzilol123 1 year ago
@Lolzilol123 Erm?! who is talking about "changing lines" I´m sorry but dont´see how or why you want me to explain and issue that´s it´s allready done so by Doggydog69 which as i said before accurate explain on various comments.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE I thought you were? As far as I can see, Schumacher stays on the racing line and I thought your opinion was that he did something he shouldn't have.
I would for you to explain it because I don't see any reason for Schumacher being in the wrong. I might have missed something, and after having read all of doggydog69's comments, I can't find one where he explains the situation. He just keeps mentioning how Montoya is superior to Schumacher and should have been champion.
Lolzilol123 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE MS full of himself? Maybe true! But Montoyas attitude was dreadful and we know for a fact he was arrogant and full of himself also!
CS7793 1 year ago
shumacher es un pirobo!
kevinblanko 2 years ago
lol ;d Shumi blocked JPM, JPM blocked Ralf :D
SidStarscream0 2 years ago
:-) I understand all that :-)
But the definition of the racingline is besides the point. The point is, that either everybody is supose to give room ... or ... nobody has to give room. And not everybody, except MSC.
I dont see why everybody has to debat on the whole MSC thing anymore. MSC was asked the question: RB (Ross Brawn) at benneton and they won, RB at Ferrari and won, at RB-GP and wins ... Michael, was it the car? Response: Yes it was. He knows he's not the best driver, so let it be.
Doggydoggg69 2 years ago
Totally agreed
mgarofano 2 years ago
I just saw in al videos saying that schumacher had the best car.But no you're wrong.Benneton wasnt the best car on grid when he won 94-95 world champ.Ferrari wasnt the best car on grid in 2000-2002<<Willians BMW was clearly the faster car on grid,ferrari had a little better aerodinamic but both cars were good.Only 2003/04 Ferrari was the better car on grid.About the video,what about montoya blocking schummy when he try to overtake outside?just search and u will find
CazouS 2 years ago
Oh hell no ... BMW-Williams did not have the best car. They had the best "Engine" !! Like you said, the Ferrari aerodynamics where better. All and all, the Ferrari was the better car exept "maybe" the engine. The BMW engine had the most horse power but blew up sometimes. Williams BMW had far more technical problems than Ferrari.
Doggydoggg69 2 years ago 3
But man what's the good thing in have good aerodinamic if u dont have so much engine to overtake in high speed sectors?ferrari better in circuits with medium-low speed of course but when u put on a high speed circuit like germany or italy BMW just owns the Ferrari
CazouS 2 years ago
Yes that is correct. The problem with that is that the most circuits are medium speed, only a couple are high speed.
Look at the 2009 season. Force India preformed good in 2 races, the rest was crap. Thats how important aerodynamics are.
BTW:
(I'm a BMW fan, so dont get me wrong) ;-)
Doggydoggg69 2 years ago 3
no problem i respect ur opinion and see ur point of view.AND FOR THOSE WHO THINK ALONSO IS BETTER THAN SCHUMMY...WTF????? BRIDGESTONE TIRES VS MICHELLIN TIRES??? NOWAY!!!!!
CazouS 2 years ago
That's wrong. Schumi said it is the whole package, the car, the team and the driver. If Schumi wasn't the best driver ever who was it then? Shumi made everybody look like a monkey, on wet tires, on intermediates, on slicks. Schumi won his first titles in a car (Benneton) that was much slowlier. My gosh, if you are the best, there are so many pathetic people who can t stand, if somebody is simply superior.
shanghaikidx 2 years ago
"The point is, that either everybody is supose to give room ... or ... nobody has to give room. And not everybody, except MSC. " The bullshit you are talking. So, then why didn't they penalize Alonson in Imola 2005. He simply didn't want Schumi to overtake him. So he closed the door at every corner. What a cheat, isn't it??
Your argumentation, if there is any, is pretty lame. And this situation there is no way where Schumi reasonably could and should have given room to the Nascar driver monty.
shanghaikidx 2 years ago
(...has to overtake .. not wish him disappear...).. Yes, i agree on that but
comparing football is crazy, not the same. Keeper is allowed to catch the ball, thats the his purpose... Like in Muay Thai fight its not fair to block a kick ... when your suppose to do that. For this F1 clip; MSC was wrong pushing JPM off track, should have giving JPM room, not let him pass, but give room, like JPM had to do or get a penalty from FIA. BUT; this is no blame on MSC or JPM. Its blame on stewards and FIA.
Doggydoggg69 2 years ago 13
Then you don't understand about the physics of racing driving. Racing line means that this is the ideal curve you race on to minimize the time, given that you race on the limit. Giving room means (I still don't understand why MS should have given room here) that you have to leave the ideal curve, lose time or even worse risk of skidding, since you are already at the limit, in terms of lateral forces that you bring on the road. One step ahead and you start skidding.
shanghaikidx 2 years ago
@Doggydoggg69 - you surely must concede that montoya was overambitious here. trying to overtake MSC on the outside of a tight bend at imola?
schumacher was surely under the impression that montoya would've slotted back in behind, but no, montoya had to try and overtake him on the outside on the curbing.
one thing that montoya fanboys fail to realise is that montoya did pretty much exactly the same thing to his own team mate not 5 seconds later, but that's probably schumi's fault too...
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@Doggydogg69 Ha! "Montoya fans "fail" to realise that he did pretty much the same".Ah! so base on that one Schumacher fans have finally accept it, that indeed he did one of his notorious moves,after constantly argue,denied it . Wow since when we fail to see what JPM did AFTER. That´s consequence of cause and effect. and after all we know who was the driver on the other car do we?!!
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE - apart from the fact that your response was very poorly worded, never did i say that what montoya did was unsporting or deliberate and the same applies to schumacher's move.
i was merely pointing out that fact that montoya (a guy who has proven to be a dirty driver on more than one occasion) fans have double standards and completely ignore the fact that if schumacher did what montoya did to ralf, you would jump up and down squeeling, "schumacher cheater! schumacher dirty driver!"
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva To many words,a moment you go on about: "I never said Montoya was unsporting" by the next sentence you accused him saying: "Montoya a guy who has proven to be dirty". Erm? Ha! as i said too many words, when a a man do´n´t value his words it means nothing. So dispense your pleasantry and, don´t send´me any more or your mendacious´"comment".
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@TOXICTRACE - ah, quote mining, i knew you would resort to it at some point... if you would keep my points in context, you'd understand.
while montoya has proven to be dirty on a number of occasions, i didn't see anything wrong with this move in particular. hence when you have a look at my point properly, "never did i say that WHAT MONTOYA DID was unsporting"...
take your quote-mining somewhere else...
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Yes off course it was ambitious, but not Overambitious. The move he made in Spa 2004 at the Busstopchicane was ambitious too, but everybody agrees that it was a marvelous overtaking manouvre. If the move in this clip above ended up in an overtaking, you would have said it was brilijant, right?
In my opinion ambitious moves are good, that shows that your are a real racer and willing to go for it, for any gap you see, no matter how small.
Doggydoggg69 1 year ago 32
@Doggydoggg69 Wel said man. It seems someone does have the mayor of words and anything goes. Maybe confused,well any body that is blinfolded by Schumacher propaganda will be as to how some Colombian, come along after the unfortunate of the exceptional of AS and with the same aproach to racing,shaked MS chair whiles his years of supremacy package eh. "Oh noo that ain´t true". ha!!!!!!
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
@Doggydoggg69 - his overtake on schumacher at spa was completely different. first of all, he had a much quicker car than michael (at that point in the race, obviously) and the overtake was done on an 90 vs. 90 S-bend which are favourable for overtaking.
this one, he attempted on a corner where nobody in history has ever overtaken on the outside before, that's an example of how ambitious it was. to equate this move with the one he made on schumi in spa is a little silly.
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva S-bend favourable .. hmm yeah ok. The S-bend at Spa, moah, debatable. Besides that, Spa was just an example. My point was that is was ambitous and that i favour ambitious moves.
Doggydoggg69 1 year ago 2
@Doggydoggg69 - yes, but if you try an ambitious move, don't whinge when somebody takes the regular racing line because they didn't expect you to be there.
montoya must have known that move would never have worked and schumacher just held his line, nothing wrong with that.
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva "didnt expect him there ..."
Haha well ..., to go from one quote to the next: "he had to be blind or stupid to not see him"
/watch?v=urAzPF6Yw8w
Come on now, MS knew damn well that JPM was there.
BUT, to approach it as if I was an impartial (which off course i am not ;p ) F1 viewer, like I said before I dont nessecarily blame MS. The blame is more on the stewards and FIA. (see comment above with the 14 thumbs up).
Doggydoggg69 1 year ago 4
@Doggydoggg69 - "he had to be blind or stupid to not see him" came right from montoya's mouth, like he's going to be impartial.
MS would've been concentrating on his exit, not worrying about somebody in a williams attempting a move that ANYBODY could've told, wouldn't have worked...
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva True, like "didnt expect him to be there" came out of MS his mouth ... Like MS wasnt lying. He knows JPM for three years to that point. By then he should know he could expect Montoya EVERYWHERE!
Doggydoggg69 1 year ago 5
@Doggydoggg69 - yeah, everywhere practical. but that was not a practical move. also, why should schumacher have to give montoya extra space because he expects montoya to attempt moves that can only end in tears for one of them? that's montoya's problem, not schumacher. overtake under braking or at least on the inside!
take it from martin brundle (a notable critic of schumacher) to defend schumacher. if the roles were reversed, you'd be coming out swinging with defences of montoya...
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Well the giving room part was an older discussion. What i ment by that is that all drivers had (have) to be treated equaly. Either ms has to leave room for jpm AND jpm has to leave room for ms, or neither has to leave room to each other.
Back then, if JPM pushed MS of the track, JPM would get a penalty. When MS pushes JPM of track ..nothing happend. And that was the main frustration those years, favourtism towards MS. Malaysia 2002 for example, really was a bullshit penalty.
Doggydoggg69 1 year ago 5
@Doggydoggg69 - again, your points are irrelevent. we're not discussing favouritism towards schumi (which, i will admit, there was a lot of), but whether this move coming from MS was fair or not and you are still to provide me with a logically consistent argument as to why it was unfair.
the fact is, nobody has or probably ever will overtake at that corner around the outside, it's practically impossible. so why does schumi need to give room? montoya should've know it was a dumb move.
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Actually we are discussing that indirectly, so my points are not irrelevent but you are simply missing the point ...
Why it was unfair? Because JPM pulled up far enough beside MS to make it a worthy attempt (a bit ambitious but worthy) and MS still pushed him of the track. If the shoe was on the other foot, JPM would have been penalized, period.
What it comes down to is that you think it was OVER ambitious and i dont, so we wont see eye to eye. Lets leave it at that.
Doggydoggg69 1 year ago 5
@Doggydoggg69 Fantastic response. Love the last sentence.As we know very well,when conventional ever stop JPM ah!.Now Lets remember a phrase from FW: "Such is the talent of JPM, that he can pass anyone in the most audacious ways, that even MS can´t overcome". The truth prevails MONTOYEAH.
TOXICTRACE 1 year ago
"If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver."
- Ayrton Senna
seraphimthelight 5 months ago 6
@seraphimthelight Exactly, thank you my man!
Doggydoggg69 5 months ago
BMW-Williams had a good car at that time, but it was not the best car on the grid, unfortunately that was the Ferrari. So how do you mean that MSC would have won all WC in a BMW? Thats a stupid remark.
Doggydoggg69 2 years ago 5
Ferrari was the best car/team because MS, Ross Brawn, and Jean Todt made it like this. When MS when to Ferrari in 1996, the scuderia wasn't even middle class. Similarly, if MS had gone to BMW or McLaren, he would have made this team a winning team. It is about a winning mentality. He was obsessed about winning. Not like JPM (or Alonso in 2007) complaining about everything but else but themselves. To blame anything in this situation on MS is simply ridiculous.
shanghaikidx 2 years ago
Exaclty, Ferrari was good only baecause Michael and Ross Brawn developed it!
legia97 2 years ago
Ferrari and Schumi outclassed everybody. They made everybody look like monkeys, compared to them. That's what makes everybody angry. And what most of the Montis, Lloronsos or whoever don't understand that you have to excel in everything. You have to be the best driver, which Schumi without doubt is, and you also have to work constantly on the car, which Schumi and Brawn also did.
shanghaikidx 2 years ago
Start a discussion with you? I wasn't even talking to you.You wheren't in this discussion in the first place, you just joined.
You must think that everybody is suppose to make way for MSC and that it is not allowed to attack him on the track. Its because of that mentality that F1 was so boring without any spectacle. People like JPM made it exiting again, as it is suppose to be, just attacking the driver in front of you, no matter who it is.
Doggydoggg69 2 years ago 3
"You must think that everybody is suppose to make way for MSC and that it is not allowed to attack him on the track." ??? ... Feel free to attack anybody you want. Also JPM is and was invited but as I said what should MS have done in this situation, disappear so that JPM can overtake?? It is like in football, you have to shoot the ball around the goalkeeper. If he catches the ball you cannot say that this is unfair. In the same, JPM has to overtake MS, not simply wish him to disappear.
shanghaikidx 2 years ago
I can't wait to see the ammount of thumbs down on your comment ... ;-)
Doggydoggg69 2 years ago
All these loser and Schumi haters that post comments in favor of this wacky lunatic (JPM) simply can't stand that MS won against everybody on the track. Again, MS was on the racing line and doesn't have to disappear only because this shitty driver (JPM) wants to overtake. JPM has to take the line around MS who is on the racing line. Maybe that's how you can do it in Bogota where people even will think that you are "real macho" (hahaha) but this is F1 racing. Glad this idiot (JPM) is out of F1.
shanghaikidx 2 years ago
And don't start a discussion with me about whether JPM was the best driver! 7 wins out of 95 race participations, being driver in top teams. Oh man, MS would have won all the WCs as well, if he had driven in BMW-Williams or Merc-McLaren.
shanghaikidx 2 years ago
What's wrong with this video? Only shows what real racing is. This is F1, not a birthday party.
Resentful people...
MSx91 2 years ago
Ok, we are both grownups so ill talk to you in that manner.
Its strange to here you say that you dont deny the FIA favoritsim towards msc, but ask for an example, and dont see that in the Malaysia 2002 clip??
You mean that it was right of the FIA to penalize JPM for that, for being rammed bij MSC? First of all it was a racing accident, no penalty should be given to anyone, aspecialy not JPM, he didnt do anything. Like he said, he gave him room, and like he said: it was a bullshit FIA call.
Doggydoggg69 2 years ago 12
What a bit of bullshit!! This shitty JPM would have been righteously dqf'ed. MS was on the racing line! If you want to overtake somebody you have to take the line around the racing line. Why is everybody so stupid! What should MS have done?? Disappear only because this wacky lunatic JPM can pass??!! It is like telling the goal keeper not to stay in the way of the football so that the the ball can enter the goal?? Is this how JPM also want to play football???
joaquinveyron 2 years ago
exactly...
enfermoXR6 2 years ago
msc did nothing wrong. the only thing he coulda done was slow down to come off the racing line to make room for montoya. and lose momentum and give advantage to montoya? fuck that. montoya chose a poor time to make a move.
didickcheeseburger 2 years ago
Thats bullshit. Making room ????
If its the other way around when u talk about making room, Montoya would have gotten a penalty.
Watch this clip for example:
/watch?v=IJJXIgnjug0
The FIA where always helping MSC and always fucking with Montoya.
Doggydoggg69 2 years ago 3
that wasnt the same. montoya came from behind and was on the outside of the turn and he just wanted msc to move from the racing line. not gonna happen. all your showing me with the video is more poor judgement on montoyas part. youre just blinded by your hate for msc like many other msc haters. im no msc fan but fair is fair. i dont deny any favoritism on fia with msc but you gotta show me something thats actually favoritism
didickcheeseburger 2 years ago
You should not misinterpret the facts. The Malaysia incident indeed was controversial, JPM commented that it was unfair, MS comment it was "overly harsh".
The head steward at the event, Nazir Hoosein, had a history of making strange decisions, as he was head steward at the 1998 British Grand Prix, where Michael Schumacher won the race in the pitlane, which led to Hoosein losing his license to be a steward for a year.
joaquinveyron 2 years ago
another lesson for montoya teached by the best driver ever, the legendary MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
OreillyORLY 2 years ago
Michael Schumacher was a dirty driver!
Ralf Schumacher was a shitty driver!
kirkpatrick321 2 years ago 2
No problem ;)
Doggydoggg69 2 years ago
I see a lot of stupid reactions to this clip, as stupid as the commentator in this clip. I hear u people talking about racingline bla bla. I'll tell u what the racingline is: ALL OF THE ASFALT !! Schumy should not have pushed Montoya of the track. If it was the other way around, the FIA would have disqualified Montoya. Juan was right at leaving F1, although i would have rather still seen hem in F1.
Montoya F1 Champion 2003 !!!
(in my book)
Doggydoggg69 2 years ago 2