Starting the engine on a Cessna 172 - G1000

[219len]

Dude, cant put a complete articulate sentence together.

[210482fmj]

I once went for a trial lesson at a flight school in a cessna 172 and the windscreen was very dirty and had not been cleaned. COuld this be a generally indication that they may be neglecting their airplanes in subtle ways

[railsimulator1995]

Thanks for the video!!! I'm starting to take flight lessons in a C172S G1000... This really helps thanks!

[calltipv2]

The avionics in the skyhawk has more shit then the Embrarer 145 I fly for the airlines! Amazing how far avionics have gotten.

[mikeydapilot]

@calltipv2 Haha yea. I was actually talking to a Navy Blackhawk pilot and he said that he didn't have a moving map. Nuts how a Cessna is more advanced in some ways than a Blackhawk.

[sazzabazza123]

Had my first ever flight in one when I was 14... the G1000 is just awesome

[espido]

Great Video men, i suggest nex video (if you do) please put additional light inside for the video : )

nice Cockpit !

[ericbrom]

Thank you for your very informational video...tell ya what, I would REALLY appreciate it if you could make another video, only on how to start a briggs&stratton Lawnmower. That would be great

[mikeydapilot]

@ericbrom Normally I don't give in to this kind of crap, but tell ya what, I would REALLY appreciate it if you could take your attitude somewhere else and cut the b/s. That would be great.

[thestig747]

ah had my first flying lesson the other day in a C182 G1000, it was awesome, but will be doing my training in a 172, with both the g1000 and steam gauge variants. can't wait!

[gloabaldeejay1107]

Guy is shaking the camera too much

[mikew172]

@katanaguy100 ...If priming, yes. When it actuallt come to starting mixture control is kept at ICO until the engine fires, then advanced to fully rich. Of course, this is true for the newer fuel injected types, other types with carb engines maybe started differently, but since I've only flown fuel injected types I can't really comment on that. Also, other flying schools may trach their students other ways of doing things, I was always taught to start the engine with mixture at ICO...

[mikew172]

@katanaguy100 So exactly the same as I start the engine... What actually is your point?

[Nookerdog777]

I don't like these G1000 based panels. They look cheap, much rather have the good old steam-gauge setup.

[Dominoes282]

Did you forget to turn on the alternators? I didn't hear you say anything about it... Good video though! I fly a DA-40 which doesnt use a primer but uses a fuel pump, informative when I climb into a primer engine plane

[mikeydapilot]

@Dominoes282 I turned on the alternator with the battery. It's the same switch (split for battery and alternator). This particular plane also uses a fuel pump like the DA40.

[thetreeregimovies]

How's glare control on the PFD?

[mikeydapilot]

@thetreeregimovies I've never had a problem with glare so far with G1000.

[goenatural]

Nice demo Mike, never flew with the Garmins, looks cool, can't wait.

[puffaliciouschester]

how bout stop critiquing and just watch the video

[EAPENJJ]

I can't believe people are asking you about the "mixture" so much. Obviously folks who haven't flown any of the R, S, or SP models. On the P, that I mostly fly, you have to put the mixture in full rich since its a carb fed engine. Anyways I always have a good laugh when non pilots make profound statements. I'm working on my CPl, mutli and multi IFR are next! Happy Flying!

[nypete480]

Yes, carbed engines require mixture full rich before starting. Not fuel injected ones.

[shanesonny]

I normally turn off the standby battery frm the arm position before startup.. What i do is, test the standy batt.. 20 sec, green light doesnt go off. Switch to arm. GARMIN screen initiates, MASTER on, then switch off standy batt and then startup. Anyone here does the same?

[mikew172]

To all those who are commenting on the whole 'mixture' issue, how many of you are actually qualified pilots? I mean in the real world, not just in flight sims that you love so much. I fly a 172SP just like this and I always start the engine with the mixture control at ICO and then advance it to fully rich when the engine fires. The engine is primed (only if needed, it often doesn't need priming) using the electric fuel pump and the mixture control for a few seconds or until fuel flow rises.

[mikeydapilot]

@mikew172 THANK YOU!!!!! LOL

[youngestpilotinGa]

@mikew172 the reason they are whining about the mixture is because in carb engines they do it diffrent than these new ones.......i got yelled at when i went from Carb to a new G1000 and i gave the instructor a Whatido look..............but no you are most certainly doing it right :)

[ymmjR1221]

@mikew172 Its amazing how all people assume that the mixture need s to be full rich in all airplanes. I fly both an older 10 (Starts full rich) and a fuel injected 172 which i start leaned... funny how people think they cant possible be wrong!

[MrAviator81]

@mikew172 Interesting! I was always taught full mixture in for start! Then again everyone has their own opinion:/

[denhou1974]

@MrAviator81

It's not a matter of opinion. Hot start and cold start procedures are different for some engines. Especially fuel injected engines.

[tinyman12323]

Is this your plane?

[mikeydapilot]

@tinyman12323 No, it's a rental from a flight school. I wish I owned a plane lol.

[iluv270]

turn fuel pump on then advance mixture to full rich after 1, 2 , 3 then pull the mixture back and turn off the fuel pump. that will ensure a start. and make sure it stabilizes on the fuel flow bar before bringing mixture back. i make my first bight cross country tomorrow so wish me luck!

[sioux0863]

Just to clear somethings up guys, everyone can be taught different. I just earned my PPL after 45 hours in a 172S equipped with G1000. We ALWAYS advance mixture while the mags are turned to start. Remember that fuel injected and carburated engines are different.

[MrEliben]

My 182 is way nicer

[Daniel7681]

Nice man! Great job!

[AmericanGi370]

MIXTURE RICH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cmon man? Remember Lights Camera Action (Action is mixture rich).

[mikeydapilot]

@AmericanGi370 It's fuel-injected so you advance the mixture as the engine starts.

[AmericanGi370]

@mikeydapilot No, I fly the new G1000 Cessna 172's just like you and we always put mixture rich on start.

[mikeydapilot]

@AmericanGi370 I'm sure that works as well but the way I did it in the video was what I was told to do.

[636Castle]

@AmericanGi370 If I remember right, lights camera action is before takeoff. Lights for landing and strobe lights, camera for transponder to mode C, and then action for takeoff.

[AmericanGi370]

@636Castle Yea your right. BUT, action is for mixture rich before engine start.

[JumpStartation]

3:23 "NAV lights on" Why? It's mid-day? NAV lights are only turned on for night flying.

[mikeydapilot]

@JumpStartation I haven't flown the airplane in a while but I'm almost positive that it's on the checklist, regardless of the time of day. I turn them on anyway, just as a preference. At the airlines, the NAV lights are actually kept on as long as there is electrical power running.

[JumpStartation]

@mikeydapilot Actually on airlines nav lights are kept off.

[Heavenlytone]

@JumpStartation Sorry but you are wrong. Airliners keep the Nav lights on at all times power is available. Not only for safety but because the bulbs last longer when they are not turned on and off. It keeps the heat cycle stress down and allows the element to last hundreds of hours longer.

[daanvanderspek]

@Heavenlytone The bulb is also switched off because the battery goes off, the nav bulb will stop getting power and will turn off eventually. So thats shit.

[Heavenlytone]

@daanvanderspek If you would have read my comment correctly you would have seen I said "when power is available". An airliner can have the battery switch turned off and still be powered thru the ground service buss when ground power is hooked up. So even without battery power connected to the electrical system the aircraft can be powered. The external lights of most airliners are connected to the ground service buss, thus the nav lights will stay on (if the nav light switch is left on).

[Heavenlytone]

@daanvanderspek There are two distinct reasons airlines leave the nav lights on day and night. 1. Safety.....The nav lights on airliners can be seen during ground operations during the day. At night they are on again for safety even when parked at the gate. There is considerable movement on airfields even at night. Its for all gound traffic not just other aircraft. 2. Like I said before it enhances bulb life through less heat cycles. Ask any airline mechanic. Your ignorance is in your last word

[daanvanderspek]

@Heavenlytone I am sorry I must have misread.

[hafunny2]

@mikeydapilot I also do the same thing, but I turn on the landing lights also when arriving and departing airports. I think it just an extra safety precauion in my opinion.

[Vulcancruiser]

@JumpStartation ........any airliner thats going to be started or moved DAY or NIGHT will have the nav lights on........even under tow they will be on..........NO exceptions..........clearly you've never worked in an airport operations environment.............

[JumpStartation]

@Vulcancruiser This is not an airliner, it's a C172. You need to check your grammar as well.

[Vulcancruiser]

@Vulcancruiser sorry about that Jumpstartation..........looks like Mikeydapilot is the one I needed to post to......in any case.............this makes trivial pursuit look important.........lol.........­.no big deal............

[goingtobeapilot]

So I have a question... I'm getting closer to my checkride for my ppl and I'm trying to think of the future. How long does it take to get checked out in the g1000? I still want to get my ifr rating in the steam gauge c172 but I would like to be able to fly the g1000 with my basic ppl vfr rating for now...

[mikeydapilot]

@goingtobeapilot The checkout procedures on the G1000 may vary among flight schools because the insurance policies may be different. The procedure at my school was that I needed to have at least 3 hours of flying time with an instructor before I could fly the plane alone. It may also involve a short ground lesson. Most schools don't make the students do anything more than that because the avionics and electrical system are the only different components. It still flies like a regular Cessna 172.

[goingtobeapilot]

@mikeydapilot So I'm guessing I'll probably have to get checked out twice... Once after I get my ppl and again after I get my instrument rating right?

[mikeydapilot]

@goingtobeapilot Not necessarily. I haven't heard of an insurance policy that requires a check out for PPL and Instrument Rating on a certain aircraft. However, it still might be a good idea to do a few approaches with an instructor just to make sure you know how to load approaches, create flight plans, etc. If anything, you'll have to do less work in a G1000 equipped cockpit on your instrument approaches because of the automation. It makes IFR flying super easy.

[goingtobeapilot]

@mikeydapilot awesome, well thanks for the help, I'm jealous that you have your instrument and commercial ratings, although Im not sure how old you are... Im only 17 but Im hoping to keep moving with my ratings as soon as I pass this checkride for my ppl haha... Im sure you could agree that its definitely fun though.

[ymmjR1221]

Great video. I fly the 150, 172 and soon i will be doing a cross country in a SR-20 2.1. I really would love to fly a brand new Cessna 172SP but no one i know has one :D Do you have your PPL ticket yet?

[mikeydapilot]

@ymmjR1221 I actually have my Commercial License, Instrument Rating, and I hope to have my CFI certificate by the end of the summer.

[ymmjR1221]

@mikeydapilot Thats great, i am still working on my PPL. What do you want to do for a living when your out of college? 

[mikeydapilot]

@ymmjR1221 As much as I love flying and would REALLY want to do it for a living, I don't think that would be a smart decision for me right now. The industry has experienced many changes in the past decade, and I've been 'turned-off' by bad labor relations and the whole seniority system. I still want to work in the aviation field, and who knows, maybe the industry will improve and I'll go for that airline job. One thing I know for sure is that no matter what, I'll be flying my entire life.

[ymmjR1221]

@mikeydapilot i know what you mean, i am going to hopefully(After college) i will work for a major cargo airline ans a second officer and work my way up. I would also like to fly corporate

[n654pd]

You can hold the ignition to start for more than two seconds. You'll actually be abusing the starter less if you do it for 5-10 seconds once (no more than 15 seconds) than multiple times on and off. It's a win-win, the starter lasts longer saving money, and you get it kicking on the first shot so people on the ramp don't question your ability.

Nice video, though.  Should help a lot of people out! Good luck with your flying.

[mikeydapilot]

@n654pd Thanks for the tip!! I never really knew exactly how long to hold the starter but I knew it shouldn't be too long. That's good to know that there's a way to make it last longer and save some money (God knows all pilots need to do that).

[jetfighter2011]

Hey I saw a red "x" there! It's all good though. Great job on the video! :)

[christianschererer]

hey hate to be critical but did you forget to go full rich on the mixture at startup. the checklist says full rich (all they way in) but you had it out when you hit the key

[mikeydapilot]

No worries. In this aircraft, a 2006 Cessna 172SP, you're supposed to advance the mixture as the engine starts like you would in a fuel-injected complex aircraft, like a Piper Arrow. I'm not sure why the newer models have this feature compared to the older Cessnas.

[christianschererer]

o ok. very good then. and that's interesting i did not know that i own a '98 172 sp (not all glass obvously) and that doesn't apply. you don't have to prime the engine either

[crazypilot123]

Yeah apparently the 172 requires the start to be with mixture lean. Don't know why though...

[mikeydapilot]

I believe this is a feature with the newer models. It's been a while since I've flown an older 172, but when I did I remember advancing the mixture first before start. Cessna probably began installing this system since it is similar to a fuel-injection system and has a lot of advantages. It's easier to start in cold-weather, the throttle is more responsive, the engine is more fuel-efficient, and you don't have to deal with a carburetor. A better system in my opinion.

[RobertGary1]

All fuel injected planes I've flown are started in the mixture cut-off position. The engine is already primed so it has enough fuel in the cylinders to start, you don't want to flood them with additional fuel.

[cwhitty05]

@crazypilot123 The normal procedure is what they call a flooded start. You first put the mixture rich, turn the pump on until you get fuel flow. This effectively primes the engine to the point of almost flooding. Then you pull the mixture to idle cutoff and start the engine. If you leave it full rich, it will flood the engine.

[z120p]

@christianschererer . I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but the mixture is gradually advanced while the magneto switch is in the start position. so when you initially hit the key mixture is lean, and then richened during the ignition. at that point the throttle is adjusted to maintain 1000 rpm in normal conditions, sometimes a bit higher if the engine is cold.

[gescoboza]

hey man thanks for taking the time to do this video.

[oicurageologist]

You also didn't mention that you need to give it about a quarter inch push on the throttle to allow it to idle properly.

[bananasfoster2]

Um yes he did.... at the beginning.

[ilikechile]

dont forget to turn the beacon on just after turning the master switch. also when you yell "clear prop!" give people time to react to that.