Right-wingers in the US are actually more chaotic (in the Dungeons & Dragons sense of the word) than liberals. Our concept of "order" is based on vitality, not stagnation. The sun is an example of chaos coexisting with order. The energetic radiation could be thought of as chaos. Gravity could be thought of as order. Without the right degree of both, stars wouldn't exist. And we are, after all, forged from the same materials as stars. Some might say that's cosmic "order" anyway, though.
"Curiosity vs. good manners?" That doesn't make sense. People who are more curious about the world tend to have better manners. "Treat others as you would have them treat you" does not require the abolition of curiosity. That's just completely illogical. Terrorists, contrary to popular assumption, are usually for order. They tend to view freedom as a vice. Some say "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." Bill Ayers was a terrorist. John Brown was a freedom fighter.
@PrimeConsciousness Right on! Nationalists are all about freedom and independence (we could call it "Chaotic Nationalism" or "Libertarian Nationalism"). Globalism is all about order, control, and collectivism.
@IggyHazard Libertarianism for the people is needed, but beware the "nationalist" that seeks to levy little to no control over the global banker and transnational industrialist. The financier elites try to fool Americans with the idea that all government must inherently steamroll the people. Government is indeed the most immediate danger, but with a small military and a heavily armed people, I'm positive there can be true liberty.
@PrimeConsciousness True Nationalists regard globalist bankers as subhuman degenerate traitors that deserve to be publically executed for supporting global fascism. Some might argue that such a belief is, itself, fascist. But then, what about the Nazis the Free World executed? That wasn't fascism. That was Justice. Globalist bankers are even mentioned in the Book of Revelation, referred to as "merchants of the earth." They're essentially fund-raisers of The Beast.
@IggyHazard I agree. Government taking charge where it counts is definately justice. You can label it whatever you'd like, but the international bankers and Zionists being tried for their crimes is a truly Representative Republic.
@PrimeConsciousness Hold the phone! When did I say ANYTHING about Zionists? Internationalist bankers are funding the European Union (the Fourth Reich) which is ultimate enemy of Zion. If anything, those particular bankers are neo-fascist and anti-Jew. Also, a person can be a Zionist without being Jewish.
Popular history seems to forget that after 1945, the Nazis went underground (into the "abyss" figuratively speaking). Instead of direct war, now they use global finance.
@IggyHazard While global banking isn't necessarily "Zionist," much of the U.S.'s foreign policy is decided by elite Israeli interests. Zionism doesn't represent any race, nor does international Jewery, as can be clearly observed by self evident ethnic features. Zionism is yet another convenient mechanism of international finance capitalists around the world. A racial dialectic has little to do with the affairs of a state, rather of the family. America is innately multicultural.
@PrimeConsciousness When you say "international Jewery" (a Nazi term, but I'm sure that's why you used it), are you referring to the fact that there are 12 tribes of Israel or are you referring to the fact that the descendants of the tribe of Juda, specifically, emigrated throughout the world? Germanic Jews (who also settled in Slavic regions), for example, are descended from the patriarch Ashkenaz, hence the term "Ashkenazic Jews."
@IggyHazard "International Jewery" is just shorthand for the "international community of Jews." As with any Abrahamic religion, Jews are quite ethnically diverse and don't represent any coherent race, even though some of them idiotically claim to. Perhaps 1000 years ago there was a more coherent Jewish race, but those days are over. All races on earth are global/mongrel in nature. The northern European "white race" spans a huge swath of the globe, just as with Jewery.
Great propaganda.....take a closer look at history-it was the Democrats that filibustered the civil rights act and well as the voters rights act of '64. It was LBJ that signed it, once the Republicans finally got it through. Also, Abe Lincoln was a Republican, as well as Dr Martin Luther King.
Order is good; disorder is bad; you can't build an aircraft without order, you can't live a good fulfilled life without order; you just think somebody else is going to shoulder that burden for you so you don't need to take responsibility yourself.
There's nothing wrong with republicanism/authoritarian personality; it's just the way that people deploy it; decide on issues that is big issue.
The problem of non-authoritarian personality is believing, world is many. The truth is there's only one.
@osheaad There's a difference between dictatorial order and ergonomic order. Ergonomic order is the order of the cosmos. It's both organic and technocratic. Dictatorial order is idolatrous autocracy (like Nimrod or Hitler) or bureaucratic collectivism (like the Soviet Union or the Khmer Rouge).
Darn, for a moment from the title i thought maybe this was a video about people who've undergone a Corpus Callosotomy and developed a Split-Brain condition where each hemisphere of the brain (left and right) develops its own personality.
Javert from Les Miserables (musical version) is a fantastic representation of the authoritarian personality. Check out his songs on Youtube. He's a surprisingly sympathetic character, very vulnerable, and I bet that's why so many of the mainly non-authoritarian musical theatre fanbase love him, because the show presents those traits in ways that make sense to people who are not authoritarian and in ways that make you want to protect him.
This guy hits the issue perfectly. I use to be authoritarian, but probably a year ago I had a major metamorphasis. I examined why I felt the way I did and realized that I was on the wrong side of every possible issue. Since then I have been a liberal, but there is still some part of me that cries out for a return to "order". I think the most accurate analogy possible would be Jedi Vs Sith. The sith crave order through dominance while the jedi peace through coexistence.
@theblackfalcon6969 Consider the Sith Code for a moment: "Peace is a lie, there is only PASSION. Through passion, I gain STRENGTH. Through strength, I gain POWER. Through power, I gain VICTORY. Through victory, my CHAINS ARE BROKEN. The Force shall FREE me." Taken literally, that sounds like the mantra of a Blood Knight of the Chaotic Good D&D alignment (which is congruent with the Nolan Chart). Well, maybe not Chaotic Good, but definately Chaotic. Blood Knights can be good, evil, or neutral.
Man! That was the most concise breakdown of the current political divide over the last 25 years that i have heard! Sadly the Prof hits the nail right on the head, the fear of change underlies so much of what most folks misconstue as an attack on their own values or rights. Yet change is the one absolut in all life. Only those people or societys who learn to move and adapt with change are the ones who leave a potential future for their descendents.
what comes to mind is the planet of the apes. who the gorillas wanted to use force to rule and the baboons and chimps used intel and science to rule. not to compare use in a litaral way but just the ideoligy behind it.
I'd be the exception to his rule. I'd answer authoritarian to the first 3, but I am a raging Liberal. I believe that children need strict boundaries to feel safe and learn properly explore their world and grow in understanding. So my beliefs about children don't reflect my core beliefs about how the world is.
Great interview as usual. Very informative and educational. These analytical studies on why society has evolved to its current state always fascinate me. Awesome job!
the 60s and 70s were AWFUL periods. The Democrats got crushed in 1946 in the Congress Elections and Eisenhower ruled the peaceful 50s. The Democrats has the 60s but so what?
his information is bullshit, they bash republicans too much it makes cenk look bad, both parties are bought and paid for and both parties are exactly as corrupt as the other. He says hes not a democrat but he fucking loves democrats. Cenk face it you are a democrat. Cenk is doesn't pay any hommage to classical liberal republicans like myself and he wouldn't understand us in the first place because he has stake in his democratic freinds i wonder.
Personality differences? Well, yeah... it's like left handed versus right handedness, or dogs and cats. Of course Repugs are authoritarians. And, by the way, authoritarians are fine with killing other people when their Alpha Dog says it's OK.
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Just like the Fascists of old: "Yes, danger from within and without. We need law and order. Without law and order our nation cannot survive. Elect us and we shall restore law and order." - Adolf Hitler, 1931
The party that is defined by the profit motive has authoritarianism as it's most decisive personal characteristic. This leads me to the conclusion that profit itself is highly authoritarian. If we wish to ever be free, we need to get rid of it.
I no longer believe in "failed bipartisan ship" because they both share the same goals, one continue their own continuation two, profit by corporate sponsors. They've both shared these problems, and are continuing to compete, convincing the people is their form of leg work, however selling out while convincing the people, that's their gold mine.
I am against all government completely and can only accept gov't for minimum military function and a justice system and I am against all government spending programs for everything else.
If I were a dictator 99.9% of government would be immediately fired.
Conservatives want to relieve us of moral decisions through legislation for the betterment of society. Liberals want to relieve of us of the difficulty of raising our own standard of living through legislation.
The problem here isn't what's in our gut... our gut feeling if you will..... it's that some of us have a gut feeling based on education facts knowledge context etc they have gut feelings based on fear anger hatred shelteredness etc...
if we could educate people on the facts and make people understand what is REALLY going on I think 90% of this country would be liberal or at least left wing! 10% being the richest people who are white... Well besides warren buffet!
You know I'd like it if Cenk spoke for us (his audience) more often like when this guy said "I dont wanna bore your audience with statistical numbers" I would have like to hear Cenk say... my audience doesn't get bored with by hearing facts and numbers we LIKE to think we LIKE our minds challenged ad we LIKE to challenge others and we like to know the numbers!!! 9 times out of 10 when the interviewee says I don't wanna bore your audience... it's something that would NOT have bored me!
Oh, Epic irony... The true source of the acrimonious rhetoric is the notion that one side is free thinking and the other side is authoritarian. Both sides rally their sheep by telling sweet tales of free thinking, pointing angrily to the coercion of the other, blind to their own... This guy is just another talking head pumping up his own side with platitudinous theories and his play to the same game he criticizes makes for irony, thick and disheartening.
I'M a republican and I don't think that republicans yuse fear to get people on their side (9/11) if they did then then i wouldn't be a republican (terrorists coming for your children)... All I know is that I got my gun cocked and loaded so I'm not afraid (Obama is coming to take my guns) so people get over yourselves it's not fear mongering!!! (TERRORIST FUCKIN 9/11 Osama Bin laden SUDAM HUSSEIN MEXICANS WITH DRUGS COCAINE LIONS TIGERS AND BEARS and TERRORISTS!!!!)
@GabrielFane So I vote for these worthless bastards, you know what that makes me? makes me a piece of partisan shit just like they are. I can vote Green Party and I can come out of the voting booth with a clear conscience . Sure they may never win, but guess what... You got to hold your nose and swallow, I don't.
This is one of the most interesting and potentially useful/applicable in the real world interviews I've ever seen/heard on TYTinterviews. Really excellent job booking this Professor, I really want to go buy his book now. I had never actually thought about the division in personalities like this, in these specific terms before but now that I've heard this guy's thesis and a lot of his points I can't believe I'd never thought about this issue like this before. 17 thumbs up for this interview.
@D119heavy Check out Dr. George Lakoff. You might also appreciate Cognitive Policy Works, they have a good newsletter. Lakoff has been interviewed on TYT.
That's the nice thing about liberalism; thinking for yourself. On most issues I'm center-left or centrist but I can also go center-right depending on the situation (i.e.- I support gun rights and free trade). I feel the main problem right now w/ conservatives is religion, which encourages a closed mind and accepting things on blind faith, even if the evidence points the other way. We need to encourage our children to be freethinkers.
@MassLiberal1 Please don't consider the Democratic Party "centre-left". The Democrats are Centre-Right and the Republicans are more right-wing, while the Tea Party is (even with 90% of its members being idiots) far right.
Centre- left is social democratic while more to the left is socialist and even more, Marxist-Leninist. When you reach the end of the left-wing, you meet the Anarchists.
Its a disgrace to the Left to have Americans call the Democratic Party the "Left"...
@NavidZady Not all Democratic politicians are center-left but the party's platform and most of their supporters are of a center-left/social democratic bent.
@MassLiberal1 I agree that not all politicians in a party are of the same exact political ideology, but I wouldn't say that the Democratic Party in general is centre-left anymore, it is centre-right.
@NavidZady I think the Democratic leadership is center-right, but the base is either center-left or left. They call themselves center-left or center because the words "left" and "liberal" have been propagandized to the point of most people not wanting to associate themselves with that stigma. Do polls and you see the majority of Americans are liberal on the majority of issues, yet only 20-22% consider themselves "liberal." It's getting better for us now, but we've still got a long way to go.
I'm a progressive. I'll sure as hell associate myself with it. The US is fucked if we let the ppl who yell the loudest and offer nothing to take charge. You also must realize most Americans are politically apathetic.
Well said, there are however a lot of free thinking conservatives that make reasoned decisions based on evidence.
Unfortunately its quite hard to get elected with that kind of thinking, I think Obama is a very intellectual person and I've come to trust him on a few levels to make a good decision based on much more accurate information then us citizens receive.
@MrOnlinePsychology Because they have found that religion is an effective tool to manipulate people and unfortunately a lot of people fall for it (convince them it's not just what you or they want, but that it's the will of god, that god is on your side).
Check out the Jack Block study on Nursery School political orientation on my channel. Conservatives have lower brain activity in the Amygdala, and a unrelated study showed that serial killers/ sociopaths have a smaller amygdala. The amygdala is the part of the brain that is responsible for empathy and compassion. Other studies show republicans can't cope with change and ambiguity but are good at persistance and structure.
It sounds like what we need is a new paradigm of "order," providing a constructive outlet for people who see themselves as the defenders of the way of things. Why can't we have a way of things that includes a trend of change? It seems to me that humanity has crossed this bridge before in times when the rate of technological and humanitarian change was increasing rapidly.
If the underlying demographics are true in regards the above thesis then Obama's appeasement strategy will result in the following:
A country's fearful population looking for direction such as an authoritarian regime will increasingly become drawn towards the GOP/Tea party hacks who in turn create an even more terrifying situation, through mismanagement, which draws people even more to them, until finally the country self destructs.
Is this the downward spiral that could become? I hope not...
I've kind of had a theory about stuff like this for a while now, and while this isn't exactly the criteria and categorization that I was hoping someone would find, this is pretty damn close.
In my theory, the Conservative mindset is more inclined toward control, authoritarian or otherwise, and absolutes, as mentioned. And Liberals are more adaptive and finding different solutions to problems, rather than assuming only one, consistent way would always work.
Voting is like Driving. To go forward you must select 'D'. To go backwards, select 'R'.
Bush Jr. took the family car on a drunken joyride for 8 years and left it in a ditch. It will take some time to get the car out and fix all the damage. Until then, only adults will be allowed to drive.
I can agree with a percentage of what this professor said maybe even to a large degree, but I can't help but be a little reluctant about buying his whole thesis. I mean, yes it is my observation too that, in terms of social issues, authoritarianism absolutism seems to pop up more often in right-leaning ideologies than in left-leaning ones and perhaps the division the professor specifically describes has been forming over these last twenty years, but....
Con't. I've seen plenty of examples both in my political research and right here on YouTube of non-authoritarian right-wingers and authoritarian left-wingers, which tells me that it's not always WHAT you believe that makes you authoritarian, but HOW you believe it. And another aspect of my reluctance to completely buy the professor's thesis is a wariness of further polarization via the fallacy of presuming that ALL conservatives are authoritarians. Besides....
Con't. I believe that the 'grandaddy' of all this polarization was the invention of the political spectrum in the first place. Not that it was invented for that exact purpose, but that it was way too easy for ideologues to use it for that purpose; to push everyone they disagree with to one side and call them 'left-wing loons' or 'right-wing crazies'. Meanwhile, the truth gets divided up among them on certain issues and the pieces become branded with the caricatures they hurl at each other.
I agree. It's funny, too, how no one really identifies as a moderate anymore. You're liberal or conservative, because what used to be considered moderate is now considered far left.
@TheGiantRobot I share that sentiment as well. I mean, when it comes to the issues, the truth may not always be middle-ground or centrist, but when it is, even then you got ideologues who still insist it's 'far left' or 'far right' just because it doesn't jive well with their own dogma so to speak.
@Grindermetalhead Um, no, Anarchism is the extreme of libertarianism, it is not the only opposition to authoritarianism. Authoritarianism doesn't mean supports authority. Rather excessive power.
@Fuctmentality Just to be clear, anarchism is libertarian socialism and it has nothing in common with US libertarian party.
Anti-authoritarianism is the opposition to all hierarchical authority, not just excessive power. Liberals do not oppose hierarchical authority, they oppose only the excessive authority and support limited government. That is still the authoritarian position because both government and capitalism are hierarchical and authoritative.
This is a different topic - Insurance. But even there, did you noticed what we got from the Democrats? Mandated private insurance. I say Democrats and not the right, because most of the Democrats in office are right wing.
Mandates on the public is right wing. Those mandates were first suggested by Republicans, too. And I didn't say regulation is right wing. Regulation of business is left wing, which is why the insurance "reform" was toothless - the Obama admin is right wing and didn't regulate.
Most of George Bush's policies were extreme right wing. The patriot act, wire tapping Americans, free speech zones, tax cuts for the rich, capital gains and inheritance tax cuts, "Bush doctrine" preemptive war.
did i say republicans are right wing? about 50% of republicans are itiots and dont understand that the imperialistic and socialist ideas they have are the biggest threat to freedom. the same freedom they say they want to protect from the marxist democrats
Socialist? You think Republicans are socialist? Regressive taxes, business handouts, and war is not socialist. Dude, what the fuck? You haven't said a single thing that makes any sense.
socialism is big government the bigger the government wether it controls the economy or the personal lives of individuals is left wing...a small government that doesnt control the economy or the personal lives of an individual is right wing
in order for there to be business handouts a big government must be in place to collect the money also that minpulates the markets thats socialism
war is not socialist? ever heard of the national socialist party?
Dude, that's not what socialism means. Holy shit, are you for real? Are you a fucking troll punking me? Fuck you. Go troll someone else, you're not funny.
no im not... do you know how many theories of socialism there are? a simple definition is when the government controls the means of production... what is giving corporations money? thats controling the market (the means of production) so that the big companies have an unfair advantage...
your view of the poltical septrum is just republican and democrat... those are just parties (two dumb parties mind you)
Dude, do yourself a favor and go through the dictionary for the meanings of socialist, right wing, liberal, etc. Look up fascism and Nazis while you're at it - surprise, Nazi's aren't socialists. Socialism for only the elites is called fascism, it's right wing. It's the opposite of left wing.
And if you read my comments, you would know my view of politics isn't that it's just Republican Democrat. Fascist equals left?! For real??!! Stop listening to Glenn Beck!
@TheGiantRobot No, your scale makes no sense. Your scale takes NO account of libertarians... right wing to you mean big government helping corporations and left wing to you means big government helping workers. Oh and look at Hitler's 4 year plans which was socialist. Fascism has many socialistic economic factors. Socialism and fascism are two sides of the same statist coin.
@GodAthie Libertarian isn't right-wing at all. Nor is it left-wing. If you think the Republicans are for freedom any more than Democrats are, you're sadly mistaken.
i never said republicans are for freedom if you read all my posts i constantly bash both parties... there are only a few republicans i support because they have libertarian principles and do not sell out to corporations...
I do not consider conservatism true right wing because there is almost no difference when it comes to size of government
I only disagree with 1 point... the authoritarian isn't about wanting 'Order'... because the perspective of what 'Order' means varies. The authoritarian desire 'Control'... to enforce their will upon whatever they can... which is not the same thing as wanting 'Order'.
Right is ALWAYS RIGHT and NEVER WRONG! It is the WAY of GOD HERSELF! Left is ALWAYS WRONG for Left is an EPIC FAIL! Sarah Palin will completely eliminate the entire left around the whole world with the Palin Revolution!
This is a pretty good thesis, but I think they need to go a little deeper. Conservatives value power above all else, liberals value freedom.
Both Republicans and Democrats in America are mostly authoritarian and closed minded. If your view on sexuality, drugs, medicine, or religion is fixed and defensive, you aren't open minded.
@TheGiantRobot I agree with your second statement, but not your first. If liberals value freedom, enough with sky-high taxes and constant spending. Both parties are damaging America together. Libertarianism FTW.
Liberals want progressive taxes, not sky high taxes, because without progressive taxes you have poverty and elites, which equals shutting down freedom. It creates essentially a slave/master society.
@TheGiantRobot "Progressive" taxes are often very high, which is unnecessary when progressives (and the so-called "fiscal conservatives" we have in Congress right now) could just stop spending so much money. And being rich does not necessarily mean you are taking money away from someone else. Taxes against the "rich" (often small-business employers) hurt the economy and weaken the middle class.
Yes, our taxes don't have to be so high. That's not a failure of progressive taxes, that's a failure of the elite. They are the ones sending us to war, getting massive corporate subsidies, and outsourcing our country's jobs.
Now, this argument - being rich doesn't mean you're taking money from someone else? Then where did it come from? And taxes against the rich do not hurt the economy. If you don't tax the rich, you guarantee monopolies and elites and you get America 2010.
@TheGiantRobot Taking without giving something in return, I mean. And by taxing the rich you also tax most small-business owners, which means less jobs (unlike the multi-billionaires who have shown they like keeping their massive fortunes). Tax the billionaires, not the hard-working small business owners. But I agree that we should do away with corporate bailouts and the war, and keep jobs in America.
In general, it's almost impossible to be rich (truly rich) without taking a lot more than you're giving. Try to think about the real value of work and not the inflated and deflated values we assign different jobs in society. And I don't agree with the idea that taxing the wealthy takes jobs. That tax money creates jobs, jobs we need in society. Beyond that, absolutely agreed, and the more we are taxing true wealth and not subsistence income, the better.
@TheGiantRobot I suppose it depends on what you define as "truly rich". And I never said taxing the wealthy takes jobs, I said taxing small business owners takes jobs, who aren't really that wealthy by American standards. And I guess I don't understand what you mean by "taking a lot more than you're giving". Let's say a man sells 1,000,000 books for $15 each. How are the people that bought the books getting ripped off?
I'm just responding to what you said, that by taxing the rich you also tax most small business owners. If they are rich, tax them. Taking a lot more than you're giving would be a CEO taking $30m while damaging a company, while the janitors take $30k for doing real, hard, ugly work no one wants to do. Our system doesn't reward for actual contribution because we keep people on the brink of poverty. Let me expand on this...
If people in the U.S. had an equal share of the land, or at least enough to live on and be self sufficient, they wouldn't be willing to clean toilets for $15 an hour. That rich CEO would have to pay them $50 an hour at least. And the CEO might make only make $40 an hour because everyone would love to do his posh job and many could do it better. It's not a merit based system, it's really an usury society - you're poor so I can pay you less than you're worth.
@TheGiantRobot I'm talking mom-and-pop small-businesses here. As in having a net worth of 5 million or less a year. What are the increments you want of earnings that determine how much a person is taxed? I agree that people who do actual work should earn more than people who sit and order other people around, but consumer demand says otherwise.
Im kind of curious to the kinds of arguments that authoritarian personalities might use to say that this is bullshit.... like most any argument that someone of that mindset might make : ex: "stfu gay loving bla bal bla" could only lend support to this thesis
The revolution will not be televised. (You'll be able to catch it on TYT though).
'Authoritarians' should consider, Obscene inequality is not a sign of good leaders.
Conservatism has become a sham; suits & pomposity, bonuses are as fraud in these times.
We could have Genuine informed democracy, average wage politicians, sensibly taxed corps. Invest in green high-tech industry & kids (the true wealth of a society).
Let's the whole world push out mil. & corp stooges in Govts.
@MakeMeUp66 Thinking for yourself is generally a "liberal" ideal. It is the antithesis of authoritarian thinking, where knowledge/beliefs are passed down from higher authority and consumed unquestionably by those who fear to think about shades of gray. Don't skew it otherwise. That's problem. People are afraid of the liberal label despite the fact that it is what they are. It is a testament to the success of the right wing's campaign to smear the word "liberal".
Dude I don't know who this guy has been giving this test to but whoever asked him "what does this have to do ith my view on authoritarianism" are just plain DUMB these are the most OBVIOUS questions with answers that would indicate which you are...
It's not hard to see AT ALL how these questions relate so I don't understand who wouldn't be able to see that! It's like not being able to see that 2+2=4 thout having memorized it.. you should just be able to see it!
ive thought along these lines for years. authoritarian people didnt care about warrantless wire-tapping because the dear leader would never do wrong. they dont protest war. the dear leader knows best. nationalism and religiosity are dead give aways.
i wonder if a case could be made that such people provide a useful stabilizing force with their resistance to change. i hope theres at least something good in it.
Right-wingers in the US are actually more chaotic (in the Dungeons & Dragons sense of the word) than liberals. Our concept of "order" is based on vitality, not stagnation. The sun is an example of chaos coexisting with order. The energetic radiation could be thought of as chaos. Gravity could be thought of as order. Without the right degree of both, stars wouldn't exist. And we are, after all, forged from the same materials as stars. Some might say that's cosmic "order" anyway, though.
IggyHazard 4 weeks ago
"Curiosity vs. good manners?" That doesn't make sense. People who are more curious about the world tend to have better manners. "Treat others as you would have them treat you" does not require the abolition of curiosity. That's just completely illogical. Terrorists, contrary to popular assumption, are usually for order. They tend to view freedom as a vice. Some say "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." Bill Ayers was a terrorist. John Brown was a freedom fighter.
IggyHazard 4 weeks ago
"Right Vs. left" is an antiquated view of politics. There's only nationalists Vs. globalists.
PrimeConsciousness 2 months ago
@PrimeConsciousness Right on! Nationalists are all about freedom and independence (we could call it "Chaotic Nationalism" or "Libertarian Nationalism"). Globalism is all about order, control, and collectivism.
IggyHazard 4 weeks ago
@IggyHazard Libertarianism for the people is needed, but beware the "nationalist" that seeks to levy little to no control over the global banker and transnational industrialist. The financier elites try to fool Americans with the idea that all government must inherently steamroll the people. Government is indeed the most immediate danger, but with a small military and a heavily armed people, I'm positive there can be true liberty.
PrimeConsciousness 4 weeks ago
@PrimeConsciousness True Nationalists regard globalist bankers as subhuman degenerate traitors that deserve to be publically executed for supporting global fascism. Some might argue that such a belief is, itself, fascist. But then, what about the Nazis the Free World executed? That wasn't fascism. That was Justice. Globalist bankers are even mentioned in the Book of Revelation, referred to as "merchants of the earth." They're essentially fund-raisers of The Beast.
IggyHazard 4 weeks ago
@IggyHazard I agree. Government taking charge where it counts is definately justice. You can label it whatever you'd like, but the international bankers and Zionists being tried for their crimes is a truly Representative Republic.
PrimeConsciousness 4 weeks ago
@PrimeConsciousness Hold the phone! When did I say ANYTHING about Zionists? Internationalist bankers are funding the European Union (the Fourth Reich) which is ultimate enemy of Zion. If anything, those particular bankers are neo-fascist and anti-Jew. Also, a person can be a Zionist without being Jewish.
Popular history seems to forget that after 1945, the Nazis went underground (into the "abyss" figuratively speaking). Instead of direct war, now they use global finance.
IggyHazard 4 weeks ago
@IggyHazard While global banking isn't necessarily "Zionist," much of the U.S.'s foreign policy is decided by elite Israeli interests. Zionism doesn't represent any race, nor does international Jewery, as can be clearly observed by self evident ethnic features. Zionism is yet another convenient mechanism of international finance capitalists around the world. A racial dialectic has little to do with the affairs of a state, rather of the family. America is innately multicultural.
PrimeConsciousness 4 weeks ago
@PrimeConsciousness When you say "international Jewery" (a Nazi term, but I'm sure that's why you used it), are you referring to the fact that there are 12 tribes of Israel or are you referring to the fact that the descendants of the tribe of Juda, specifically, emigrated throughout the world? Germanic Jews (who also settled in Slavic regions), for example, are descended from the patriarch Ashkenaz, hence the term "Ashkenazic Jews."
IggyHazard 4 weeks ago
@IggyHazard "International Jewery" is just shorthand for the "international community of Jews." As with any Abrahamic religion, Jews are quite ethnically diverse and don't represent any coherent race, even though some of them idiotically claim to. Perhaps 1000 years ago there was a more coherent Jewish race, but those days are over. All races on earth are global/mongrel in nature. The northern European "white race" spans a huge swath of the globe, just as with Jewery.
PrimeConsciousness 3 weeks ago
Great propaganda.....take a closer look at history-it was the Democrats that filibustered the civil rights act and well as the voters rights act of '64. It was LBJ that signed it, once the Republicans finally got it through. Also, Abe Lincoln was a Republican, as well as Dr Martin Luther King.
179178 2 months ago
@179178
there's that black and white view again.
catbuffalo 1 month ago
GREAT JOB!! You and those like you make youtube great.
esmeraldaseawright 6 months ago
Order is good; disorder is bad; you can't build an aircraft without order, you can't live a good fulfilled life without order; you just think somebody else is going to shoulder that burden for you so you don't need to take responsibility yourself.
There's nothing wrong with republicanism/authoritarian personality; it's just the way that people deploy it; decide on issues that is big issue.
The problem of non-authoritarian personality is believing, world is many. The truth is there's only one.
osheaad 7 months ago
@osheaad There's a difference between dictatorial order and ergonomic order. Ergonomic order is the order of the cosmos. It's both organic and technocratic. Dictatorial order is idolatrous autocracy (like Nimrod or Hitler) or bureaucratic collectivism (like the Soviet Union or the Khmer Rouge).
IggyHazard 4 weeks ago
wow, really interesting conversation.
Cenk focused a little too much on attacking Reps, but good overall.
RebelHQ 1 year ago
Darn, for a moment from the title i thought maybe this was a video about people who've undergone a Corpus Callosotomy and developed a Split-Brain condition where each hemisphere of the brain (left and right) develops its own personality.
Etimos 1 year ago
I believe there will be trains and concentration camps before the right wingers will bow to change.
raichutoyou 1 year ago
Javert from Les Miserables (musical version) is a fantastic representation of the authoritarian personality. Check out his songs on Youtube. He's a surprisingly sympathetic character, very vulnerable, and I bet that's why so many of the mainly non-authoritarian musical theatre fanbase love him, because the show presents those traits in ways that make sense to people who are not authoritarian and in ways that make you want to protect him.
optifog 1 year ago
@Introspective91
Cenk says he is agnostic
AmericanNohbuddy 1 year ago
@Introspective91
Uh ... so the audio is out of sync ... because of his religious preference?
beornborg1 1 year ago
This seems to back up the Dicks, Pussies and Assholes theory on International relations (Parker & Stone 2004)
flibberswooper0 1 year ago
Wow, that was a very good interview, and I think he makes a very valid point.
AkilBBoy 1 year ago
This guy hits the issue perfectly. I use to be authoritarian, but probably a year ago I had a major metamorphasis. I examined why I felt the way I did and realized that I was on the wrong side of every possible issue. Since then I have been a liberal, but there is still some part of me that cries out for a return to "order". I think the most accurate analogy possible would be Jedi Vs Sith. The sith crave order through dominance while the jedi peace through coexistence.
theblackfalcon6969 1 year ago 8
@theblackfalcon6969 Was there a certain event that took place in your life, that made you stop and think about your life. Just curious.
MrROLLO70 1 year ago
@MrROLLO70
no there wasnt. One day I just thought why do I believe in this? I found my reasons lacking at best and thus became a liberal
theblackfalcon6969 1 year ago
@theblackfalcon6969 Consider the Sith Code for a moment: "Peace is a lie, there is only PASSION. Through passion, I gain STRENGTH. Through strength, I gain POWER. Through power, I gain VICTORY. Through victory, my CHAINS ARE BROKEN. The Force shall FREE me." Taken literally, that sounds like the mantra of a Blood Knight of the Chaotic Good D&D alignment (which is congruent with the Nolan Chart). Well, maybe not Chaotic Good, but definately Chaotic. Blood Knights can be good, evil, or neutral.
IggyHazard 4 weeks ago
Man! That was the most concise breakdown of the current political divide over the last 25 years that i have heard! Sadly the Prof hits the nail right on the head, the fear of change underlies so much of what most folks misconstue as an attack on their own values or rights. Yet change is the one absolut in all life. Only those people or societys who learn to move and adapt with change are the ones who leave a potential future for their descendents.
Renibum 1 year ago 2
Looks like the audio is out of sync :(
beornborg1 1 year ago
@beornborg1 Yeah, the interviewee is not moving his mouth whenever he's heard talking...
OolTube02 1 year ago
@OolTube02
Yes ... though I was referring to Cenk :)
beornborg1 1 year ago
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frictionRx5 1 year ago
"Authoritarian Personality"?
That may explain the neo-con's, and paid troll's liberal use of cheap insults, and generous amounts profanity, even on these message boards?
What other country in history was based on authoritarian rule, Complete order, no tolerance, and complete respect for authority?
TruthAndMoreTruth 1 year ago 11
@TruthAndMoreTruth That's what I've been saying for years, lol.
Vortex1988 1 year ago
@TruthAndMoreTruth All of them.
DanielDamascusKimery 1 year ago
@TruthAndMoreTruth
Sparta. Imperial Japan. Nazi Germany. Roman Empire. the list goes on.
lordblazer 1 year ago
I totally agree! This guy is right// "Order is the fundamental issue here" He articulated so well that I am speechless.
fionamcampbell 1 year ago
The guest sounds so much like Bukowski but with more speed.
KlipKultur4 1 year ago
what comes to mind is the planet of the apes. who the gorillas wanted to use force to rule and the baboons and chimps used intel and science to rule. not to compare use in a litaral way but just the ideoligy behind it.
smithbrass 1 year ago
I'd be the exception to his rule. I'd answer authoritarian to the first 3, but I am a raging Liberal. I believe that children need strict boundaries to feel safe and learn properly explore their world and grow in understanding. So my beliefs about children don't reflect my core beliefs about how the world is.
rosewelsh 1 year ago
@rosewelsh Good thought. I like you.
jdh501 1 year ago
Ha! The ad next to this vid is asking me to donate to american crossroads. Let me think about this for a second, HELL NO!
candacem09 1 year ago
I started the recession.
oftenbach 1 year ago
@oftenbach jim durant did lol
smithbrass 1 year ago
@oftenbach then you must be Demint
enacra101 1 year ago
@enacra101 No, Demint is me.
oftenbach 1 year ago
Great interview as usual. Very informative and educational. These analytical studies on why society has evolved to its current state always fascinate me. Awesome job!
Roeshamboe05 1 year ago
the 60s and 70s were AWFUL periods. The Democrats got crushed in 1946 in the Congress Elections and Eisenhower ruled the peaceful 50s. The Democrats has the 60s but so what?
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
his information is bullshit, they bash republicans too much it makes cenk look bad, both parties are bought and paid for and both parties are exactly as corrupt as the other. He says hes not a democrat but he fucking loves democrats. Cenk face it you are a democrat. Cenk is doesn't pay any hommage to classical liberal republicans like myself and he wouldn't understand us in the first place because he has stake in his democratic freinds i wonder.
TopSideUp 1 year ago
socialism is NOT fascism
theaceofspades39 1 year ago
@theaceofspades39 they are two sides of the same statist coin.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@theaceofspades39
Don't you just love libertarians?
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
Personality differences? Well, yeah... it's like left handed versus right handedness, or dogs and cats. Of course Repugs are authoritarians. And, by the way, authoritarians are fine with killing other people when their Alpha Dog says it's OK.
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Just like the Fascists of old: "Yes, danger from within and without. We need law and order. Without law and order our nation cannot survive. Elect us and we shall restore law and order." - Adolf Hitler, 1931
audadvnc 1 year ago
Fascinating discussion. I could not agree more.
ITSBRYINDY 1 year ago
@GabrielFane lol thats funny, jokes over now
ForTheRepubl1c 1 year ago
The party that is defined by the profit motive has authoritarianism as it's most decisive personal characteristic. This leads me to the conclusion that profit itself is highly authoritarian. If we wish to ever be free, we need to get rid of it.
VolcanicPenguin 1 year ago
I no longer believe in "failed bipartisan ship" because they both share the same goals, one continue their own continuation two, profit by corporate sponsors. They've both shared these problems, and are continuing to compete, convincing the people is their form of leg work, however selling out while convincing the people, that's their gold mine.
bangurdead102 1 year ago
WOW. Extremely interesting interview! Psychology is so much fun!!
hootiemack 1 year ago
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crackerz99 1 year ago
Should have asked if additional education influences which personality type you end up with.
UltimateGaryB 1 year ago
politically, libs are more more libby lib than ghandi, socially, more than jesus.
crackerz99 1 year ago
I answer:
Independence
Curiosity
Self Reliance
Being Considered
I am a libertarian - minarchist.
I am against all government completely and can only accept gov't for minimum military function and a justice system and I am against all government spending programs for everything else.
If I were a dictator 99.9% of government would be immediately fired.
No programs except what I have noticed above.
romanmir01 1 year ago
@Introspective91 force instead of dimplomacy.....LOL....you are typical right wing fringe
seattle8686 1 year ago
@Introspective91 actually its cenk uger, and hes not
thedrummiester 1 year ago
Conservatives want to relieve us of moral decisions through legislation for the betterment of society. Liberals want to relieve of us of the difficulty of raising our own standard of living through legislation.
Both have good intentions but both are wrong.
BorgKing001 1 year ago
The problem here isn't what's in our gut... our gut feeling if you will..... it's that some of us have a gut feeling based on education facts knowledge context etc they have gut feelings based on fear anger hatred shelteredness etc...
if we could educate people on the facts and make people understand what is REALLY going on I think 90% of this country would be liberal or at least left wing! 10% being the richest people who are white... Well besides warren buffet!
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
You know I'd like it if Cenk spoke for us (his audience) more often like when this guy said "I dont wanna bore your audience with statistical numbers" I would have like to hear Cenk say... my audience doesn't get bored with by hearing facts and numbers we LIKE to think we LIKE our minds challenged ad we LIKE to challenge others and we like to know the numbers!!! 9 times out of 10 when the interviewee says I don't wanna bore your audience... it's something that would NOT have bored me!
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago 2
This goes to show some children NEVER got the great advice of "think before you act"
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
Oh, Epic irony... The true source of the acrimonious rhetoric is the notion that one side is free thinking and the other side is authoritarian. Both sides rally their sheep by telling sweet tales of free thinking, pointing angrily to the coercion of the other, blind to their own... This guy is just another talking head pumping up his own side with platitudinous theories and his play to the same game he criticizes makes for irony, thick and disheartening.
enotdetcelfer 1 year ago 2
I'M a republican and I don't think that republicans yuse fear to get people on their side (9/11) if they did then then i wouldn't be a republican (terrorists coming for your children)... All I know is that I got my gun cocked and loaded so I'm not afraid (Obama is coming to take my guns) so people get over yourselves it's not fear mongering!!! (TERRORIST FUCKIN 9/11 Osama Bin laden SUDAM HUSSEIN MEXICANS WITH DRUGS COCAINE LIONS TIGERS AND BEARS and TERRORISTS!!!!)
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago 2
@upplsuckimcool16 You sound like that one comedian from SNL.....you nailed it
seattle8686 1 year ago
I'll take that as compliment (I don't watch SNL)
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
@upplsuckimcool16 Kind of old school...Kevin Nealon is the guys name.....
seattle8686 1 year ago
@upplsuckimcool16 ....
OmJarr 1 year ago
@GabrielFane So I vote for these worthless bastards, you know what that makes me? makes me a piece of partisan shit just like they are. I can vote Green Party and I can come out of the voting booth with a clear conscience . Sure they may never win, but guess what... You got to hold your nose and swallow, I don't.
NoPartyAffilliation 1 year ago
This is one of the most interesting and potentially useful/applicable in the real world interviews I've ever seen/heard on TYTinterviews. Really excellent job booking this Professor, I really want to go buy his book now. I had never actually thought about the division in personalities like this, in these specific terms before but now that I've heard this guy's thesis and a lot of his points I can't believe I'd never thought about this issue like this before. 17 thumbs up for this interview.
D119heavy 1 year ago
@D119heavy Check out Dr. George Lakoff. You might also appreciate Cognitive Policy Works, they have a good newsletter. Lakoff has been interviewed on TYT.
Tanfeliz 1 year ago
That's the nice thing about liberalism; thinking for yourself. On most issues I'm center-left or centrist but I can also go center-right depending on the situation (i.e.- I support gun rights and free trade). I feel the main problem right now w/ conservatives is religion, which encourages a closed mind and accepting things on blind faith, even if the evidence points the other way. We need to encourage our children to be freethinkers.
MassLiberal1 1 year ago 28
@MassLiberal1 Please don't consider the Democratic Party "centre-left". The Democrats are Centre-Right and the Republicans are more right-wing, while the Tea Party is (even with 90% of its members being idiots) far right.
Centre- left is social democratic while more to the left is socialist and even more, Marxist-Leninist. When you reach the end of the left-wing, you meet the Anarchists.
Its a disgrace to the Left to have Americans call the Democratic Party the "Left"...
NavidZady 1 year ago 5
@NavidZady Not all Democratic politicians are center-left but the party's platform and most of their supporters are of a center-left/social democratic bent.
MassLiberal1 1 year ago
@MassLiberal1 I agree that not all politicians in a party are of the same exact political ideology, but I wouldn't say that the Democratic Party in general is centre-left anymore, it is centre-right.
NavidZady 1 year ago
@NavidZady I think the Democratic leadership is center-right, but the base is either center-left or left. They call themselves center-left or center because the words "left" and "liberal" have been propagandized to the point of most people not wanting to associate themselves with that stigma. Do polls and you see the majority of Americans are liberal on the majority of issues, yet only 20-22% consider themselves "liberal." It's getting better for us now, but we've still got a long way to go.
xJoeEDangerouslyx 1 year ago
@xJoeEDangerouslyx
I'm a progressive. I'll sure as hell associate myself with it. The US is fucked if we let the ppl who yell the loudest and offer nothing to take charge. You also must realize most Americans are politically apathetic.
lordblazer 1 year ago
@MassLiberal1 I agree, and would just like to add that I consider myself pretty left, though I am quite right on gun control.
diomedes39 1 year ago
@MassLiberal1
Well said, there are however a lot of free thinking conservatives that make reasoned decisions based on evidence.
Unfortunately its quite hard to get elected with that kind of thinking, I think Obama is a very intellectual person and I've come to trust him on a few levels to make a good decision based on much more accurate information then us citizens receive.
Dethreid 10 months ago
@MassLiberal1 - I agree - there is a market for center right positions, but why should it be accompanied with religion, esp the nasty side of it.
MrOnlinePsychology 8 months ago
@MrOnlinePsychology Because they have found that religion is an effective tool to manipulate people and unfortunately a lot of people fall for it (convince them it's not just what you or they want, but that it's the will of god, that god is on your side).
xexixk 8 months ago
This conversation made me frustrated in SO many ways. It needed to be had, but...I'm now all, "So what the @#$% do we DO about it???"
BionicDance 1 year ago
@BionicDance Google Cognitive Policy Works and get on their newsletter.
Tanfeliz 1 year ago
Check out the Jack Block study on Nursery School political orientation on my channel. Conservatives have lower brain activity in the Amygdala, and a unrelated study showed that serial killers/ sociopaths have a smaller amygdala. The amygdala is the part of the brain that is responsible for empathy and compassion. Other studies show republicans can't cope with change and ambiguity but are good at persistance and structure.
SteelMartini 1 year ago
Read _Don't Think of an Elephant_ by George Lakoff. It will make the left/right split much more clear.
Zevaeros 1 year ago
great interview. best for a while
jamieconon 1 year ago
@GabrielFane Thinking only of yourself makes you a libertarian.
nilbud 1 year ago
@nilbud
Oh, well played.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
very interisting interview
captainlaz1 1 year ago
It sounds like what we need is a new paradigm of "order," providing a constructive outlet for people who see themselves as the defenders of the way of things. Why can't we have a way of things that includes a trend of change? It seems to me that humanity has crossed this bridge before in times when the rate of technological and humanitarian change was increasing rapidly.
drmcclus 1 year ago
@GabrielFane
Umm.... lol..... yeah ok..
NiceVideos11 1 year ago
This was an incredible interview, an incredible guest, Cenk. Bravo! Very revealing.
aaronsande 1 year ago
If the underlying demographics are true in regards the above thesis then Obama's appeasement strategy will result in the following:
A country's fearful population looking for direction such as an authoritarian regime will increasingly become drawn towards the GOP/Tea party hacks who in turn create an even more terrifying situation, through mismanagement, which draws people even more to them, until finally the country self destructs.
Is this the downward spiral that could become? I hope not...
smacdon 1 year ago
I've kind of had a theory about stuff like this for a while now, and while this isn't exactly the criteria and categorization that I was hoping someone would find, this is pretty damn close.
In my theory, the Conservative mindset is more inclined toward control, authoritarian or otherwise, and absolutes, as mentioned. And Liberals are more adaptive and finding different solutions to problems, rather than assuming only one, consistent way would always work.
dEdGrimley 1 year ago
OK let me take the children test:
Independence, self-reliance, curiousity, being considerate.
How did I do?
aaronsande 1 year ago
@aaronsande I see. I'm a huge lib. Tell me something I didn't know! =D
aaronsande 1 year ago
Conservatives are just stupid.
reciprocalhokie 1 year ago 21
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@reciprocalhokie Not just stupid, they are also insane.
darkjong99 1 year ago
@reciprocalhokie agreed. well stupid or rich.
freshblooms 1 year ago
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Voting is like Driving. To go forward you must select 'D'. To go backwards, select 'R'.
Bush Jr. took the family car on a drunken joyride for 8 years and left it in a ditch. It will take some time to get the car out and fix all the damage. Until then, only adults will be allowed to drive.
saadasim 1 year ago
@BeatManSpank LOL!!
saadasim 1 year ago
@resincoatedlungs lol
you're as deluded as those right wing nuts IMO..
damlurker 1 year ago
to me, the 4 question thing is bs...
minasgekos 1 year ago
@minasgekos Why do you say that?
SeaTownGunner 1 year ago
I can agree with a percentage of what this professor said maybe even to a large degree, but I can't help but be a little reluctant about buying his whole thesis. I mean, yes it is my observation too that, in terms of social issues, authoritarianism absolutism seems to pop up more often in right-leaning ideologies than in left-leaning ones and perhaps the division the professor specifically describes has been forming over these last twenty years, but....
TheNeocatZone 1 year ago
Con't. I've seen plenty of examples both in my political research and right here on YouTube of non-authoritarian right-wingers and authoritarian left-wingers, which tells me that it's not always WHAT you believe that makes you authoritarian, but HOW you believe it. And another aspect of my reluctance to completely buy the professor's thesis is a wariness of further polarization via the fallacy of presuming that ALL conservatives are authoritarians. Besides....
TheNeocatZone 1 year ago
Con't. I believe that the 'grandaddy' of all this polarization was the invention of the political spectrum in the first place. Not that it was invented for that exact purpose, but that it was way too easy for ideologues to use it for that purpose; to push everyone they disagree with to one side and call them 'left-wing loons' or 'right-wing crazies'. Meanwhile, the truth gets divided up among them on certain issues and the pieces become branded with the caricatures they hurl at each other.
TheNeocatZone 1 year ago
@TheNeocatZone
I agree. It's funny, too, how no one really identifies as a moderate anymore. You're liberal or conservative, because what used to be considered moderate is now considered far left.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot I share that sentiment as well. I mean, when it comes to the issues, the truth may not always be middle-ground or centrist, but when it is, even then you got ideologues who still insist it's 'far left' or 'far right' just because it doesn't jive well with their own dogma so to speak.
TheNeocatZone 1 year ago
i awser non authoriterian on all 4
celestialsalamander 1 year ago
Anti-authoritarians do not identify with the democratic party.
We do not identify with any party. We are anarchists.
You cannot affiliate with any political party and call yourself anti-authoritarian when political parties are by definition authoritarian.
They want to govern you when they come to power.
Grindermetalhead 1 year ago
@Grindermetalhead Um, no, Anarchism is the extreme of libertarianism, it is not the only opposition to authoritarianism. Authoritarianism doesn't mean supports authority. Rather excessive power.
Fuctmentality 1 year ago
@Fuctmentality Just to be clear, anarchism is libertarian socialism and it has nothing in common with US libertarian party.
Anti-authoritarianism is the opposition to all hierarchical authority, not just excessive power. Liberals do not oppose hierarchical authority, they oppose only the excessive authority and support limited government. That is still the authoritarian position because both government and capitalism are hierarchical and authoritative.
Grindermetalhead 1 year ago
@njabulani I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. Democrats don't deserve power if they aren't willing to wield it.
NoPartyAffilliation 1 year ago
Wow, the example pretty much showed what he is talking about.. I'm totally non-authoritarian.
P1ranh4 1 year ago
@njabulani
This is a different topic - Insurance. But even there, did you noticed what we got from the Democrats? Mandated private insurance. I say Democrats and not the right, because most of the Democrats in office are right wing.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot
government mandates and regulation isn't right wing...
most of george bushes polices weren't true right wing
GodAthie 1 year ago
@GodAthie
Mandates on the public is right wing. Those mandates were first suggested by Republicans, too. And I didn't say regulation is right wing. Regulation of business is left wing, which is why the insurance "reform" was toothless - the Obama admin is right wing and didn't regulate.
Most of George Bush's policies were extreme right wing. The patriot act, wire tapping Americans, free speech zones, tax cuts for the rich, capital gains and inheritance tax cuts, "Bush doctrine" preemptive war.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot
did i say republicans are right wing? about 50% of republicans are itiots and dont understand that the imperialistic and socialist ideas they have are the biggest threat to freedom. the same freedom they say they want to protect from the marxist democrats
GodAthie 1 year ago
@GodAthie
Socialist? You think Republicans are socialist? Regressive taxes, business handouts, and war is not socialist. Dude, what the fuck? You haven't said a single thing that makes any sense.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot
socialism is big government the bigger the government wether it controls the economy or the personal lives of individuals is left wing...a small government that doesnt control the economy or the personal lives of an individual is right wing
in order for there to be business handouts a big government must be in place to collect the money also that minpulates the markets thats socialism
war is not socialist? ever heard of the national socialist party?
GodAthie 1 year ago
@GodAthie
Dude, that's not what socialism means. Holy shit, are you for real? Are you a fucking troll punking me? Fuck you. Go troll someone else, you're not funny.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot
no im not... do you know how many theories of socialism there are? a simple definition is when the government controls the means of production... what is giving corporations money? thats controling the market (the means of production) so that the big companies have an unfair advantage...
your view of the poltical septrum is just republican and democrat... those are just parties (two dumb parties mind you)
here is the true barings
libertarian-right
marxist/facist-left
GodAthie 1 year ago
@GodAthie
Dude, do yourself a favor and go through the dictionary for the meanings of socialist, right wing, liberal, etc. Look up fascism and Nazis while you're at it - surprise, Nazi's aren't socialists. Socialism for only the elites is called fascism, it's right wing. It's the opposite of left wing.
And if you read my comments, you would know my view of politics isn't that it's just Republican Democrat. Fascist equals left?! For real??!! Stop listening to Glenn Beck!
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot No, your scale makes no sense. Your scale takes NO account of libertarians... right wing to you mean big government helping corporations and left wing to you means big government helping workers. Oh and look at Hitler's 4 year plans which was socialist. Fascism has many socialistic economic factors. Socialism and fascism are two sides of the same statist coin.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@GodAthie Libertarian isn't right-wing at all. Nor is it left-wing. If you think the Republicans are for freedom any more than Democrats are, you're sadly mistaken.
aarongtr180 1 year ago
@aarongtr180
i never said republicans are for freedom if you read all my posts i constantly bash both parties... there are only a few republicans i support because they have libertarian principles and do not sell out to corporations...
I do not consider conservatism true right wing because there is almost no difference when it comes to size of government
GodAthie 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot How is war not socialist? More guns = more power to the government.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
republican's number one tool "FEAR".
mrx0066600 1 year ago 2
I only disagree with 1 point... the authoritarian isn't about wanting 'Order'... because the perspective of what 'Order' means varies. The authoritarian desire 'Control'... to enforce their will upon whatever they can... which is not the same thing as wanting 'Order'.
BioCapsule 1 year ago 2
@BioCapsule Very well put my friend.
niemanickurwa 1 year ago
fear is for pussies.
hollaboutit 1 year ago
Right is ALWAYS RIGHT and NEVER WRONG! It is the WAY of GOD HERSELF! Left is ALWAYS WRONG for Left is an EPIC FAIL! Sarah Palin will completely eliminate the entire left around the whole world with the Palin Revolution!
ecwaufisxtreme 1 year ago
@ecwaufisxtreme Sarah Palin 2012. Because the world is going to end anyway.
cablepanos 1 year ago
This is a pretty good thesis, but I think they need to go a little deeper. Conservatives value power above all else, liberals value freedom.
Both Republicans and Democrats in America are mostly authoritarian and closed minded. If your view on sexuality, drugs, medicine, or religion is fixed and defensive, you aren't open minded.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago 3
@TheGiantRobot I agree with your second statement, but not your first. If liberals value freedom, enough with sky-high taxes and constant spending. Both parties are damaging America together. Libertarianism FTW.
aarongtr180 1 year ago
@aarongtr180
Liberals want progressive taxes, not sky high taxes, because without progressive taxes you have poverty and elites, which equals shutting down freedom. It creates essentially a slave/master society.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago 8
@TheGiantRobot "Progressive" taxes are often very high, which is unnecessary when progressives (and the so-called "fiscal conservatives" we have in Congress right now) could just stop spending so much money. And being rich does not necessarily mean you are taking money away from someone else. Taxes against the "rich" (often small-business employers) hurt the economy and weaken the middle class.
aarongtr180 1 year ago
@aarongtr180
Yes, our taxes don't have to be so high. That's not a failure of progressive taxes, that's a failure of the elite. They are the ones sending us to war, getting massive corporate subsidies, and outsourcing our country's jobs.
Now, this argument - being rich doesn't mean you're taking money from someone else? Then where did it come from? And taxes against the rich do not hurt the economy. If you don't tax the rich, you guarantee monopolies and elites and you get America 2010.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot Taking without giving something in return, I mean. And by taxing the rich you also tax most small-business owners, which means less jobs (unlike the multi-billionaires who have shown they like keeping their massive fortunes). Tax the billionaires, not the hard-working small business owners. But I agree that we should do away with corporate bailouts and the war, and keep jobs in America.
aarongtr180 1 year ago
@aarongtr180
In general, it's almost impossible to be rich (truly rich) without taking a lot more than you're giving. Try to think about the real value of work and not the inflated and deflated values we assign different jobs in society. And I don't agree with the idea that taxing the wealthy takes jobs. That tax money creates jobs, jobs we need in society. Beyond that, absolutely agreed, and the more we are taxing true wealth and not subsistence income, the better.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot I suppose it depends on what you define as "truly rich". And I never said taxing the wealthy takes jobs, I said taxing small business owners takes jobs, who aren't really that wealthy by American standards. And I guess I don't understand what you mean by "taking a lot more than you're giving". Let's say a man sells 1,000,000 books for $15 each. How are the people that bought the books getting ripped off?
aarongtr180 1 year ago
@aarongtr180
I'm just responding to what you said, that by taxing the rich you also tax most small business owners. If they are rich, tax them. Taking a lot more than you're giving would be a CEO taking $30m while damaging a company, while the janitors take $30k for doing real, hard, ugly work no one wants to do. Our system doesn't reward for actual contribution because we keep people on the brink of poverty. Let me expand on this...
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot
... you know how good the poor have it in this country compared to the rest of the world?
millions die in africa and asia cause of no clean water and food shortages
here the poor are the fattest people clearly the free market implemented right does something right
GodAthie 1 year ago
@GodAthie
Africa and Asia have free markets, too.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@aarongtr180
If people in the U.S. had an equal share of the land, or at least enough to live on and be self sufficient, they wouldn't be willing to clean toilets for $15 an hour. That rich CEO would have to pay them $50 an hour at least. And the CEO might make only make $40 an hour because everyone would love to do his posh job and many could do it better. It's not a merit based system, it's really an usury society - you're poor so I can pay you less than you're worth.
TheGiantRobot 1 year ago
@TheGiantRobot I'm talking mom-and-pop small-businesses here. As in having a net worth of 5 million or less a year. What are the increments you want of earnings that determine how much a person is taxed? I agree that people who do actual work should earn more than people who sit and order other people around, but consumer demand says otherwise.
aarongtr180 1 year ago
I Think i'm halfway leaning towards non-authoritarian, the first and third took a moment to think about.
SilvoKnight 1 year ago
that was very interesting!
monadbornslippy 1 year ago
Im kind of curious to the kinds of arguments that authoritarian personalities might use to say that this is bullshit.... like most any argument that someone of that mindset might make : ex: "stfu gay loving bla bal bla" could only lend support to this thesis
squirrelywrath2 1 year ago 3
Excellent at the end.
The revolution will not be televised. (You'll be able to catch it on TYT though).
'Authoritarians' should consider, Obscene inequality is not a sign of good leaders.
Conservatism has become a sham; suits & pomposity, bonuses are as fraud in these times.
We could have Genuine informed democracy, average wage politicians, sensibly taxed corps. Invest in green high-tech industry & kids (the true wealth of a society).
Let's the whole world push out mil. & corp stooges in Govts.
marsCubed 1 year ago 2
I really enjoyed this interview.
mynameis677 1 year ago 2
@MakeMeUp66 Thinking for yourself is generally a "liberal" ideal. It is the antithesis of authoritarian thinking, where knowledge/beliefs are passed down from higher authority and consumed unquestionably by those who fear to think about shades of gray. Don't skew it otherwise. That's problem. People are afraid of the liberal label despite the fact that it is what they are. It is a testament to the success of the right wing's campaign to smear the word "liberal".
bb1televator 1 year ago 83
Dude I don't know who this guy has been giving this test to but whoever asked him "what does this have to do ith my view on authoritarianism" are just plain DUMB these are the most OBVIOUS questions with answers that would indicate which you are...
It's not hard to see AT ALL how these questions relate so I don't understand who wouldn't be able to see that! It's like not being able to see that 2+2=4 thout having memorized it.. you should just be able to see it!
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
ive thought along these lines for years. authoritarian people didnt care about warrantless wire-tapping because the dear leader would never do wrong. they dont protest war. the dear leader knows best. nationalism and religiosity are dead give aways.
i wonder if a case could be made that such people provide a useful stabilizing force with their resistance to change. i hope theres at least something good in it.
underweightHater 1 year ago 5
@Tonyukmma idiot
FrostbiteQc 1 year ago 6
@resincoatedlungs Have you tried thinking?
cheddyrod 1 year ago
@GabrielFane
No... not necessarily.....
NiceVideos11 1 year ago