So much talent in New York alone, and they are showing this garbage. Meese is a clever talker a manipulator, almost a Schnabel wannabe but putting his name up there with Rauch and Richter is undeserved.
Geographical location is not the gauge of your place in art, what is it Germany flavour of the month?
jonathan meese stuffed that banana in the sculpture´s mouth on the first day of the exhibition, you can see it in a video, although it´s german. just type "jonathan meese eine ameise der kunst teil 4" :)
Thank you for this great walk through the museum. Thank you for sharing the exhibit with the public. It' very important that art is shown worldwide, not only in New York or other big cities, but also and particularly there where people usually don't get to see art like in rural USA and other rural places in the world. YouTube is a great medium for this. I hope that big artists like Meese are going to show their art in non intellectual communities as well. I wish I could find sponsors for this.
i like chili, but it gives me adgita; i dont know what chili beer is; we drink labatt's blue in these parts; and then we pee around the edge of the lot to keep the coons out of the dumpsters.
prolix gush?......sheesh...forgive me for using your valuable space...texas is a big place and so is the comments section.....so loosen up your seintzeit and ship it off to panama.....
yeah, its like, first your talking about these big stupid paintings, and then youre wandering off onto something about panama, and then its texas, all for the purpose of sounding,like, really smart perhaps, but it doesn't really connect. I drink coffee too, but man.
i was just chattin with mr. kalm about large painting, spawndonacle is a nice guy with poetic flourishes; comment sections are for commenting, loosen up; mr. kalm has created this space, he's a good guy too. i don't drink coffee. speaking for myself...trying to sound smart? i guess we are stupid and you are smart?
poetic flourishes are nice, but, you know, sometimes they really get in the way; it use to be - and this is perhaps my risidual modernism, i mean i'm in my seventies now, folks would really fight over art like it meant something, without taking it too personally...this business of "commenting"...
but this is not the place for serious dialogue, that is best 'in person', eye to eye, like in school or the bar. this abstract terrain lacks much in the way of nuance; no body language, no sweat, no uncomfortable pauses. i enjoy the 'commenting' for what it is...abstract, fun, light. you make it sound like this is my(our) only outlet, i have real world peers for the thorough talking that gets things done. as you would say...enough of this issue that has nothing to do with these silly paintings.
Meese, Butzer, Richter (Daniel) and Rauch have all had major shows in New York in the last month or two, all showing huge oil paintings. It's almost like NYC has punked-out and ceded this territory (grand painting) to the Europeans. If ever there was a glaring sign that NY ain't the capital of the art world anymore, this is it. JK
albert oehlen looms large here, meese has a lot of energy and that is great. i saw the butzer show in person, i was so disappointed. rauch and d. richter are good painters. new york has nozkowski, ryman, heilmann, lasker and estes...were still in the game:) but i agree the grand size is big in germany(leipzig)
I have to believe there's still "grand painting" going on here, but nobody has the guts (economic bravado) to show it. All the artists you mention (except Lasker) are probably in their mid-late sixties or older. (Nothing against maturity) Seems young artists are only interested in pursuing the "Academy of the Market", not a good sign. Estes? JK
richard estes, he's still good. what about chris martin, bruce pearson, jules debalincourt,joyce pensato, steven charles, alexander ross, amy sillman, giles lyon, steve dibenedetto, inka essenhigh, julie merhtu, mark bradford and james sienna. these folks are doing more than solely pursuing a market. New York, baby!!!!
like this stuff isn't market driven? also, since when has size, thickness of paint, all that "grand" oily urgency, ever been an index of how good a painting is...oy.
the economy is market driven. everyone needs to eat. i was using these artists (just cause i like 'em) because i think they care about their work beyond (and including)a paycheck. size queen was good.
the last whitney biannual is proof of your point, mr. kalm. no one is showing painting in new york in the big shows right now. i think some of the painters i mentioned deserve the spotlight. just my opinion.
Like I said: there's gotta be "Grand Painting" why isn't Chelsea showing it? I know all the folks you mention (there're "Kalm Reports" on most of em) but "the powers that be" seem to have dictated the invisibility of serious "big painting" preferring kindergarten crap.
Also there's more that a bit of market motivation/manipulation involved (I know the inside scoop), so do you.
i'm reminded of the cliche.........be careful what you wish for.....i'm glad you cover a lot of good shows, you're an important pioneer in these times. we need klaus kertess (the curator) to assert himself, or henry geldzahler to rise again. thanks for the Meese!
First comment!! Didn't Keifer and Middendorf close the door on all that Nazi stuff and is paint cheaper in Germany? Another thing, why don't American painters work that large anymore, except for Chris, who would be my choice for the next biennial....
So much talent in New York alone, and they are showing this garbage. Meese is a clever talker a manipulator, almost a Schnabel wannabe but putting his name up there with Rauch and Richter is undeserved.
Geographical location is not the gauge of your place in art, what is it Germany flavour of the month?
misternylon 1 month ago
I sense Tàpies in his work...
miljenko1 4 months ago
5:33 Yes, its Sean Connery, but whats important is that its Zardoz, one of the trippiest SF films ever made.
miljenko1 4 months ago
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miljenko1 4 months ago
All hail the new shlock meister!
bluegoose555 10 months ago
jonathan meese stuffed that banana in the sculpture´s mouth on the first day of the exhibition, you can see it in a video, although it´s german. just type "jonathan meese eine ameise der kunst teil 4" :)
nice video, i like the calm voice.
greetings from Luxembourg, Europe.
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HitAltF4Please 11 months ago
Thank you for this great walk through the museum. Thank you for sharing the exhibit with the public. It' very important that art is shown worldwide, not only in New York or other big cities, but also and particularly there where people usually don't get to see art like in rural USA and other rural places in the world. YouTube is a great medium for this. I hope that big artists like Meese are going to show their art in non intellectual communities as well. I wish I could find sponsors for this.
NicolaRedwooddforest 1 year ago
...ein Großer unserer Zeit!!
tieber1 2 years ago
Blitzkrieg !
hankjunior 3 years ago
I like them, the Hitler stuff is a little tired but...I still like em.
tamaragonzales 3 years ago
thats what he intend to do... to tire him out
PurpleILL 2 years ago
oh but remember her in dressed to kill? those shots at the met...in front of the alex katz...that was fucking HOT.
seintzeit 3 years ago
Elle a chaud au cul...
seintzeit 3 years ago
i like chili, but it gives me adgita; i dont know what chili beer is; we drink labatt's blue in these parts; and then we pee around the edge of the lot to keep the coons out of the dumpsters.
seintzeit 3 years ago
"we pee around the edge of the lot to keep the coons out of the dumpsters."
LMAO!
asdffd 3 years ago
hot. do you do lap-dances?
seintzeit 3 years ago
i thought you wanted to be serious:)
MrWowforever 3 years ago
sheesh; you and wowforever are like just competing for queen of prolix gush...
seintzeit 3 years ago
prolix gush?......sheesh...forgive me for using your valuable space...texas is a big place and so is the comments section.....so loosen up your seintzeit and ship it off to panama.....
MrWowforever 3 years ago
yeah, its like, first your talking about these big stupid paintings, and then youre wandering off onto something about panama, and then its texas, all for the purpose of sounding,like, really smart perhaps, but it doesn't really connect. I drink coffee too, but man.
seintzeit 3 years ago
i was just chattin with mr. kalm about large painting, spawndonacle is a nice guy with poetic flourishes; comment sections are for commenting, loosen up; mr. kalm has created this space, he's a good guy too. i don't drink coffee. speaking for myself...trying to sound smart? i guess we are stupid and you are smart?
MrWowforever 3 years ago
poetic flourishes are nice, but, you know, sometimes they really get in the way; it use to be - and this is perhaps my risidual modernism, i mean i'm in my seventies now, folks would really fight over art like it meant something, without taking it too personally...this business of "commenting"...
seintzeit 3 years ago
but this is not the place for serious dialogue, that is best 'in person', eye to eye, like in school or the bar. this abstract terrain lacks much in the way of nuance; no body language, no sweat, no uncomfortable pauses. i enjoy the 'commenting' for what it is...abstract, fun, light. you make it sound like this is my(our) only outlet, i have real world peers for the thorough talking that gets things done. as you would say...enough of this issue that has nothing to do with these silly paintings.
MrWowforever 3 years ago
...you know what you write on here is going to around for a long time...so, you might want to start treating sort of seriously...
seintzeit 3 years ago
...man! and you want me to lighten up?
MrWowforever 3 years ago
just on the gush. :)
seintzeit 3 years ago
request denied:)
MrWowforever 3 years ago
What excites me is that the painting here is physical and tangible and less intellectual. Bravo Europe!
jameslour 3 years ago
Meese, Butzer, Richter (Daniel) and Rauch have all had major shows in New York in the last month or two, all showing huge oil paintings. It's almost like NYC has punked-out and ceded this territory (grand painting) to the Europeans. If ever there was a glaring sign that NY ain't the capital of the art world anymore, this is it. JK
jameskalm 3 years ago
albert oehlen looms large here, meese has a lot of energy and that is great. i saw the butzer show in person, i was so disappointed. rauch and d. richter are good painters. new york has nozkowski, ryman, heilmann, lasker and estes...were still in the game:) but i agree the grand size is big in germany(leipzig)
MrWowforever 3 years ago
I have to believe there's still "grand painting" going on here, but nobody has the guts (economic bravado) to show it. All the artists you mention (except Lasker) are probably in their mid-late sixties or older. (Nothing against maturity) Seems young artists are only interested in pursuing the "Academy of the Market", not a good sign. Estes? JK
jameskalm 3 years ago
richard estes, he's still good. what about chris martin, bruce pearson, jules debalincourt,joyce pensato, steven charles, alexander ross, amy sillman, giles lyon, steve dibenedetto, inka essenhigh, julie merhtu, mark bradford and james sienna. these folks are doing more than solely pursuing a market. New York, baby!!!!
MrWowforever 3 years ago
like this stuff isn't market driven? also, since when has size, thickness of paint, all that "grand" oily urgency, ever been an index of how good a painting is...oy.
seintzeit 3 years ago
the economy is market driven. everyone needs to eat. i was using these artists (just cause i like 'em) because i think they care about their work beyond (and including)a paycheck. size queen was good.
MrWowforever 3 years ago
big or not, it's pretty lame painting.
seintzeit 3 years ago
i like the sculptures....
MrWowforever 3 years ago
the last whitney biannual is proof of your point, mr. kalm. no one is showing painting in new york in the big shows right now. i think some of the painters i mentioned deserve the spotlight. just my opinion.
MrWowforever 3 years ago
Like I said: there's gotta be "Grand Painting" why isn't Chelsea showing it? I know all the folks you mention (there're "Kalm Reports" on most of em) but "the powers that be" seem to have dictated the invisibility of serious "big painting" preferring kindergarten crap.
Also there's more that a bit of market motivation/manipulation involved (I know the inside scoop), so do you.
jameskalm 3 years ago
i'm reminded of the cliche.........be careful what you wish for.....i'm glad you cover a lot of good shows, you're an important pioneer in these times. we need klaus kertess (the curator) to assert himself, or henry geldzahler to rise again. thanks for the Meese!
MrWowforever 3 years ago
size queen.
seintzeit 3 years ago
ceded this territory?....eeeuw james.
seintzeit 3 years ago
Meese is helping me be a kid again. I liked the "Philip Guston" looking paintings near the end, and the kiddie drawings. His work is so cool.
MrPixies 3 years ago
First comment!! Didn't Keifer and Middendorf close the door on all that Nazi stuff and is paint cheaper in Germany? Another thing, why don't American painters work that large anymore, except for Chris, who would be my choice for the next biennial....
RonSchira 3 years ago