I like the concept, but PLUG IN? the prius is regenerative..static electricity. I would love one for my ford escape, its a pig on gas. send me more info, only if its regenerative.
Id much rather get bad gas mileage that take it up the ass like a prius driver. Thats what I said to to the toyota salesman at the mn state fair yesterday.
....you then plug into the house. So the power plant burns some kind of fuel to give you the power to your house and then to your car.So add that to the price to run your car.
$2.00 worth of household electricity.....ah no ...you can't say that if you don't know the sizes of the batteries. Most of the plug it cars will take 8 hours to charge if ran down most of the way. Do that every night you notice a big change in your bill.
you now double your mpg to 100mpg. lets do simple math
you drive 15 miles to work so 30 miles round trip. thats 150 miles a week.
take 150 times 52(weeks in a year) thats 7800. Divide that by 50(mpg). that makes 156 gallons used per year. take 156 times 4(dollars per gallon) thats 624 dollars a year in gas. now Divide that by two.(you doubled mpg to 100mpg) thats 312. Now, 10,000/312=32.05 years to pay off your stupid new "gas saver"
You people are totally missing the point. You will probably save like $1000 a year with this conversion. So you will have to drive for 10 years JUST TO BRAKE EVEN. Not to mention how expensive those batteries are and that a prious has 2 engines which may require work in the future AND the extra cost of a hybrid itsself. And how much will your electric bill go up after this? So it will be waaayy over 10 years for you to brake even, and then (if your car still runs) you will actually start saving.
I don't know, $10000.00 buys a lot of gasoline... They need to get the price down top a realistic level before the average person will buy into this. Just like the VCR which was $1500 and big clunky no frills basic functionality, to $50.00 at Walmart today, if you can find one. All it takes is pressure and time.
hell yeah $10,000 each. I can pay my gas with that money for 10 years. I mean come'on after 10 year? I will get a new car. talk about double the price of my gas, not worth it people. Hybrid will take 7 years to even with gas, i already do the maths that's why i buy gas engine no hybrid.
Any small engine diesel will get good gas mileage, and will be a hell of a lot cheaper to buy. Plus, they last longer, you don't have to buy an energy cell for them in the future, and they can run on vegetable oil. I'd easily take one over there any day.
agreed! there is a lot of good technology out there, but big oil, govt & car manufacturers know how to keep you and I under their thumbs. Take a look at BYD technology in China! they make batteries for everything..cell phones & cars. Unfortunately where I am...back woods Ontario, a hybrid is not conducive. Hybrids are useful only in big cities. I would like to see an aftermarket technology that would benefit the average consumer.
We are not "a couple of years" away from a good hybrid car, they made a good one, they KNOW how to make them even better, but they don't. The emphasis is on making them cheaper, not better. Nor is efficiency any real goal, yes... they do want to have the best MPG of the "day", "year", whatever. But they really don't want it in the long run. You can see how they build inefficiency into things on purpose, automobiles are the worst. This is our world, it will only rise to the bar we set for it.
@TheMadamoxRustkickit We are a few years away from them being able to say "this hybrid will pay for itself" if not longer; it mostly depends on fuel prices.
@mtb416 Oh I agree. A Hybrid is a step in the right direction though. I see future systems having multiple 3 or more? in order to determine which system delivers what you need at what time. That is a best case scenario though. At current technology I would be willing to build you a car like this for $300,000 easy without breaking a sweat and all you would have to fill the tank w is water. If anyone has that kind of money I will build you a car like this. I promise.
@TheMadamoxRustkickit ...well maybe I would break a sweat, I will still be smiling on the way to building myself one (maybe a cheaper model) w/ what is left. :)
@TheMadamoxRustkickit wtf does Fox News have to do with this? You don't save money by installing a 10k kit. Hell, you don't even save money by buying a Prius over a cheaper, standard (as in non-hybrid) high-mileage car. The technology is still too expensive to counter act the comparative low-cost of fuel in America.
I always laugh at people such as yourself. You're the sheep, truly. You're so much a sheep that I know you'll respond still thinking you're correct.
@mtb416 Fox news only has to do with it because I thought the user I was referring to likely is able to stomach it while he eats his TV dinner. I myself, not so much.
A prius is only that inefficient because it is made to be, you realize that auto manufacturers and oil companies have depended on each other for a long time. It will take a lot to overcome the old (inefficient) ways of thinking.."Hey if you make your car a gas guzzler, ill slide you a big NDA and an even bigger check."
@mtb416 you sound like a smart guy, do they pay you extra to spread this nonsense about "doing your part for the oil companies?" I wonder if they will pay me if I agree to stop saying "make better cars". If its enough to buy a Hybrid, I am in. "Ask not what you can do for yourself, ask what you can do for your oil company." I'll shut up, just innovate already.
What nonsense have I spread? All I said is factually correct. We are still a couple years away from hybrid becoming a truly money saving investment. Long term reliability, increased mileage, and most of all, increased fuel prices all have to happen still for the savings to truly seem possible.
I don't even own stock in oil companies, just technology. The assertion that I am some oil company shill is hilarious though.
@mtb416 You haven't spread any nonsense other than "so I'm doing my part to help the oil companies." I didn't say you were an oil company. I was guessing at a conversation between an oil company and a car manufacturer. It's not about you.
Ofcourse I'm sure if that is really your purpose you would not think it is nonsense to say "dont even buy a prius! i drive a 4x4 gas guzzler, yeeha!" You are purposefully spouting the nonsense, I'm sure you have your reasons.
Our stupidity and greed knows no limits. Methane (from biomass decomposition) is 1. FREE, 2. CLEAN, 3. SAFE, 4. NON CORROSIVE, 5. can be produced INDIVIDUALLY in private homes, 6. its by product is good to FERTILIZE, 7. needs no SUPERVISION. I could go on and on. Denmark is using all its Methane to run City buses. But I guess they are Danish....When is someone in POWER realize that the problem is not in ENGINEERING, but with GREED? What happened to the H2 car? Who killed the EV1? Tucker, hello??
@IPlayDaBasss Electricity is 25% of the cost of gas when it comes to dollar/mile ratio. I think they have pretty good ways of making coal pollute less nowadays. Also it opens you up to any type of electricity compatible with the grid, in the long run, anyway it's a good idea if we care about being able to live here a long time!
instead of relying on the current electric grid and heavy batteries the customer is not able to change themselves, the current hybrid that self generates electricity, relying on static generated by braking, would be better. the only oil you need is lubing the suspension area at the front. EXCELLENT question, how much would it run my home hydro bill? Does it run well in cold climates?
what is the pay back period? The technology is out there, but appears controlled by the big 5 who controls.
@bigcanuckful depends on where your dam is I suppose, I have heard some hydro bills get large, but that could have been just one certain (provider for a great many) power company / News Special. Then again if you think the oil/coal companies have friends in the media, they might lead them in the right direction... (find a place where people are being victimized, to make the general public think it's a bad idea. etc.) Anyway with great power comes great responsibility.
Uh, I had a 1997-3 cylinder Geo- Metro, 5pd........a great little commuter car. If I drove carefully I could get 60 mpg, and this is without many of the newer fuel saving technologies (variable valve timing, auto shutdown at stop, ultra lean burn mode, gas direct injection to name a few). I could see a little car like the Geo getting close to 100 mpg with some reworking of the systems. Problem is that little car would cost 20 grand, would it even sell? maybe if gas goes to 5 bucks a gallon.
A prius costs twice what a UK Ford Focus 1600cc turbo diesel does too. The focus does 55MPG in town and 72MPG at 70MPH. Far cheaper to run and service than prius. No one buys them in the UK now. They are 20years behind in technology, diesel overtook the prius and left it in the dark ages.
@urbex2007 they have Hybrids in the UK as well, they are even more efficient. The prius is not the greatest Hybrid if you are trying to compare it to every car out there.
The truth is there are ways to increase efficiency only by vaporizing all of the gas you put into the chamber rather than just squirting it in and hoping it vaporizes when it heats up. I'm sure there are a great many other ways to increase efficiency. It will take time for all of us to learn but we will get there someday.
@douhnutz The hybrid system kicks in to take over if you are on low charge. You can turn off electric only for long duration trips. I have a PHEV Prius that is out of warranty and it is the best car to get around in. I have lots of stuff to deliver all the time and use the prius for it's massive carry space for long distance journeys. I pay next to nothing for petrol at times and I have a solar array which pays me cash for electricity I supply to the grid. I didn't pay that much for it all too.
A hybrid Toyota Prius already costs double a 1600cc Toyota Corolla to buy and then add this conversion kit which may not even be approved by Toyota to fit. If so watch out because if it causes damage to the cars systems you'll be up for the repair bill. I think with that sort of money to buy a Prius and add the kit I'd rather buy a Mercedes for the capital outlay.
@TheAdler83 A hybrid petrol is a good solution. I have a 2004 Prius and didn't pay a lot for it as it was a second hand one. The Prius is truly incredible and does save you a lot of cash and headache in the long run. In the time you would own a Mercedes from 2004, you would have needed to replace a lot of parts already. I didn't replace any parts yet except for oil and air filter, brake pads, tyres. I used to work for Merc and they don't care about their customers. The quality is bad too.
ah sweet! so your telling me when i get rearended that some batteries might also explode spewing battery acid all over me! i would totally pay 10 grand for that!!!
So a hybrid can cost upto $10,000 more than some baseline gasoline powered cars and then pay another 10k for this? I'd rather power my car by hydrogen or build an electric car.
Where did the money come from to take on such moronic ventures that are full of BS? They don't tell you what your electric bill will be nore that by the time it gets to your house only 1/3 of the original coal energy is left. I have designs for a vehicle light enough that two people could pick it up and put it in the back of a pick up and it will run off of wood gas I can make myself. It will never happen in a world of greedy lies.
more than $10.000 for the charging kit?....i can run my car 10 year with this amount of money...i dont think this kit can last 10 years+still paying for electric and gas
@OverUnityNow1 I do not believe you did "have one of these junk" or else you would not likely have said it.
Toyota makes a good car for the most part, regardless of which model they produce and they stand by those cars w warranties / parts that last a long time, etc.
I can say the same for a lot of Chevy or Ford models, but not every model, usually just the trucks.
I heard VW and Volvo take a lot of pride in their vehicles as well, I have not heard much about Mercedes.
This is incredibly impractical. $10,000 plus for the kit? You'd have to drive for more then 10 years just to make up the cost of the kit in fuel savings. Diesel-electric hybrids are going to be the wave of the future once the cost comes down.
WOW! Assuming I still have a job and the US isn't a wasteland like Iraq by then,I'd love to get one of these kits.Now all they have to do is develop a way to make it sound like a chevy V8 with killer exhaust.Much similar to what the "Fart can muffler" has done for weak 4 cylinder cars in the spanish section of town. LOL
Assuming the plug hybrid has a battery capacity of 10kWh, and the national average is 11 cents per kWh, it's gonna cost $1.10 in power to recharge that car. Probably more like $1.50, due to charger efficiency.
10kWh of power will only get the car about 25 miles on all electric driving (probably more, but it's best to be cynical). The range could be improved by completely removing the gas engine and fuel/exhaust systems.
A 60kWh battery would cost $7 to charge, but give almost 200 mile range.
I want to offer a service that would retrofit the engine with a gas turbine that powers a capacitor bank that immensely powers a brushless motor in place of the transmission.
Well, at least that would be !@#4ing awesome on my toyota truck...
Buy a used diesel , install what you need to run on used vegie oil, get an oil filter and free used oil everywhere, cleaner than diesel and good mileage.
my civic gets 45 on the interstate...even without it being a hybrid, take good care of the car with good oil and good fuel and it will take care of you...oh and buying a honda helps
My Nissan Maxima gets around 25 MPG on highway and 20 in the city, I'm not whining too much for not getting a Honda, oh oh, and my car gets 2 more cylinders than yours :D.
@Shifty906 I think 8MPG really says how "sleek" it is... They weren't talking about the looks, only about the aerodynamic properties of the SUV. nuff said.
I converted my father in laws car in to hh0 car for him am about to do mine as well if it works out as goods as it did on my 07 cheap as his f150 then I may start a business converting cars to hh0 gas cars it only cost about 200.00 bucks to convert f150 damn maybe i Wont start a business cuz i don't like how the car companies use technology to rub us for thousands dollars and I don't want to charge for great technology learn more contact me
Yea, thing about hybrids is they are not cost effective AT ALL. By the time your done paying for one (assuming you got it just for gas purposes) you could have bought a yaris and had all the money saved go to gas. It would take like 28 years or so of driving to finally make it worth your time. They need to figure out a cost effective way to get the battery hybrid system. Wich brings me to a new point. Batteries are relatively cheap, why 10k?
Because they have about 700lbs worth of them in there. That's NOT cheap by any stretch. Pluss they're using either NiMh or LithIon batteries in there and those are very expensive. Plus the conversion to the back end as shown to convert to plugin, that's bodywork money there that's not cheap either.
If its' about saving money yes, it makes more sence to buy a different car. But if your doing it to save the worlds natural reserve of fuel, well cant' really beat it can you?
Actually bodywork is very cheap. It is just the people doing it that mark up the prices. I would know, I used to work at a body shop. But I still don't agree. If your going to save the world go full electric. Hybrids are just an excuse for oil companies to continue their profit margins.
Or go diesel and overall cut your pollution footprint down further. Since said batteries come from overseas still to this day from what sources I can gather.
nah, if I was doing the whole "green" thing then it would be battery power. Lithium right now is fully capable of producing a 500+ hp car even though it isn't quite measured the same. Either way, I just am sick and tired of supporting the corrupted and controlling oil companies that refuse to give the people a break because the CEO's want their 1.8 billion dollar yearlies... Each...
what do you mean measured differently. maybe I'm missing something about what you said but one hp is 746 watts. Thats what I was always taught in school and every formula I've ever figured out with hp has always been that.
@AkinaGod Oh I think that price is inflated and I really don't think they add any batteries this is just a kit that allows you to plug it in when you park in your garage. They should have this on the vehicle to begin with. It is likely nothing more than some electronics attatched to the batteries (already in the prius) and a drop cord to plug it in.
92-95 honda civic vx and cx do you need more, since your automotive history seems to be very limited.
do you know how a combustion engine works?
do you understand what weight does to fuel consumption?
your missing the point, prolonging a real solution by constantly promoting a useless bandaid. full electric i have no problem with BUT its not for me, about %70 of america agrees with me also, so im not alone.
I live in a condo with no garage or carport. My parking space is at the other end of the building. Where would I plug a hybrid in to recharge it at night?
it would be nice to see the people creating their own electricity to power these cars,and even better to also see tax incentives or grants to encourage people to get their own solar panels or wind mills etc..,its about time people wake up and realise that there is abundant clean free energy on this earth already. you just need to use it...,just think of all the money you will not have to spend on oil. better yet how about the car maker helping out as further incentive?hmm..,it might just work :)
petrol (gasoline) is already heavily taxed. but the point of cleaner energy is to clean up the environment, not just to help our bank account.and tax breaks would help those who are struggling because of todays rising oil prices.many businesses have gone under or are reaching a crisis point because of this. the common man is being hit hard too. so hopefully you agree that WE CAN NO LONGER AFFORD OIL.we can however,afford abundant and clean energy.
10K for this is to much. You are taking it up the ass from the oil companies and this guys looks like they have a great product, but 10K is a lot of money. Is there anywhere else I can get it cheaper? I heard of a place in CA that does it for 5K. thanks guys
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You weren't quoting me. You are too dumb to understand anything. You are the idiot who thinks it's a good a idea to throw 2 millions dollars away just to save 60 bucks a month. Any morons would have figured that out.
What do you do to get 100 mile per gallon? I'd love to know. I'm getting a Prius, I spend about 280 on gas a month. Now that the gas is 4.45 a gallon. It will be about 400 a month.
The plans the guys at hho-hybrid . com seem much simpler configuration and are producing great results according to "amazinghybrid" and others. I bought plans for $19.95 and they are totally helping me put it all together!!
Something is missing...right? Cause i really dont believe this. I believe it but the cost for gas is incredible. There probably not adding the cost of gas now.
10000 is a lot, I have seen another company advertised on youtube that is 4,500 for the same thing. They use stock car batteries. Still 10,000 dollars would be absorbed in no time with 3.00dpg+ If you consider that lite trucks only get about 20 miles to the gallon in stop and go traffic in reality that is only about 1500 miles! Consider that the prius gets great gas mileage, so compare it to a Yukon or some other SUV and find out how long it would take to burn 10,000 in gas, you'd be surprized.
1500miles/20mpg=75gallons. 75gallons x 3dpg=$225. If your car become 5 times more efficient, that means you save $180 (225x4/5) on 1,500 miles. I showed you how I did my math. How did you come up with those numbers?
Do the math. If you normally spend $60 per month on gas, you can save roughly $50 per month with that in your car. That means you can save about $600 per year. I am not even being conservative. When can you recover the $10,000? Unless you are a hard-core enviornmentalist...
Say if your car really become 5 times more efficient, then you can save $48 per month. That's only $576 per year. You can absorb the $10,000 in 17.36 years. I showed you my math. That's my point. What's the point I am missing?
Wizard, install solar panels in your home. The goverment pays up to 60% of the cost and get an energy audit. They are free. I own Kluge Solar in California and going solar kicks ass.
I like the concept, but PLUG IN? the prius is regenerative..static electricity. I would love one for my ford escape, its a pig on gas. send me more info, only if its regenerative.
bigcanuckful 2 weeks ago
Then you look at the electric bill at the end of the month and pass out!
jjenson2006 1 month ago
or you can get a diesel
EDog1o1 4 months ago
@EDog1o1
The cold crank diesel still required turbo charge and cost like x5 vs the conventional vehicle.
I wish I have the money to try the new tech too..really!
UnitedPebbles 1 week ago
Ya, you will be picking up all the hot chicks with this ride.
Iriatv 4 months ago
Id much rather get bad gas mileage that take it up the ass like a prius driver. Thats what I said to to the toyota salesman at the mn state fair yesterday.
adamberg666 5 months ago
So why can't they use alternators, or if they do how come they don't charge the battery hardly
stormercody 5 months ago
....you then plug into the house. So the power plant burns some kind of fuel to give you the power to your house and then to your car.So add that to the price to run your car.
$2.00 worth of household electricity.....ah no ...you can't say that if you don't know the sizes of the batteries. Most of the plug it cars will take 8 hours to charge if ran down most of the way. Do that every night you notice a big change in your bill.
1REDDAWN13 5 months ago
@Marxistcommie41 lol that is just funny
redfirekla 5 months ago
only gay men buy priusis,,,,
Gatorsrok 6 months ago
@Gatorsrok and only dimwitted dullards make such sophomoric statements.
foxchemdry 5 months ago in playlist prius
and... where will you be keeping your spare tire?
Gabberz123 6 months ago
@Gabberz123 Buy a puncture repair kit .......
mrbmxbros 6 months ago
@Gabberz123 Can of fix-o-flat.
bhstone1 6 months ago
You can get an electric motor for a Ford ranger for $5000 and burn 0 gas.
22ratshot 7 months ago
Lmao its a prius... prius are shit rofl
philiphuynh 8 months ago
lets say you already have a POS prius.
and you get 50mpg..
you now double your mpg to 100mpg. lets do simple math
you drive 15 miles to work so 30 miles round trip. thats 150 miles a week.
take 150 times 52(weeks in a year) thats 7800. Divide that by 50(mpg). that makes 156 gallons used per year. take 156 times 4(dollars per gallon) thats 624 dollars a year in gas. now Divide that by two.(you doubled mpg to 100mpg) thats 312. Now, 10,000/312=32.05 years to pay off your stupid new "gas saver"
Nater36 8 months ago 2
@Nater36
You considered paying off in time? not mileage? what about peer comparison vs a conventional new v4 25mpg vehicle? saved a bunch in my opinion.
My cost estimate is only $5K for the vehicle when it reach 200K miles.
UnitedPebbles 1 week ago
it costs about $2.00 worth of household electricity to completely charge.
pspfanboy100 8 months ago
Spend 50 bucks for the Fuel Doctor.You'll be better off.
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pingagigante123 8 months ago
Id rather get a diesel and run it off fast food grease for free haha
DoomGoon138 8 months ago
10k! WTF! That's like me pre paying my fuel on my Civic Si for about 8 years!!!
112gsxr 9 months ago
1994 honda civic =3400$ 38 mpg Toyota prius =17,900$ + kit 10,000$ = 27,900$
$27,900
-$3,400
=$24,500
ill let you know when i spend $24,500 on gas and get back to you
dragbike14 9 months ago
You people are totally missing the point. You will probably save like $1000 a year with this conversion. So you will have to drive for 10 years JUST TO BRAKE EVEN. Not to mention how expensive those batteries are and that a prious has 2 engines which may require work in the future AND the extra cost of a hybrid itsself. And how much will your electric bill go up after this? So it will be waaayy over 10 years for you to brake even, and then (if your car still runs) you will actually start saving.
cdog9991 9 months ago
I don't know, $10000.00 buys a lot of gasoline... They need to get the price down top a realistic level before the average person will buy into this. Just like the VCR which was $1500 and big clunky no frills basic functionality, to $50.00 at Walmart today, if you can find one. All it takes is pressure and time.
evilfreethinker 9 months ago
hell yeah $10,000 each. I can pay my gas with that money for 10 years. I mean come'on after 10 year? I will get a new car. talk about double the price of my gas, not worth it people. Hybrid will take 7 years to even with gas, i already do the maths that's why i buy gas engine no hybrid.
jnnycliff 10 months ago
$10,000?
Brad can't watch or he has to pay $100.
Let me just find an ATM ... -The Big Lebowski
BenZeneProject 11 months ago
ELECTRICS ARE FOR PUSSIES!!!!
WizardOfChicamunga 11 months ago 2
@WizardOfChicamunga Electric motors have more power than a diesel engine of twice the size, now what?
MrTpengineer 10 months ago
@MrTpengineer Better try again sparky. That didn't change my opinion.
WizardOfChicamunga 10 months ago
@WizardOfChicamunga lol
MrTpengineer 10 months ago
Any small engine diesel will get good gas mileage, and will be a hell of a lot cheaper to buy. Plus, they last longer, you don't have to buy an energy cell for them in the future, and they can run on vegetable oil. I'd easily take one over there any day.
YMBrant 1 year ago
I like how they are demonstrating a kit that can turn a car into a fuel efficient hybrid by fitting it to....a hybrid.
scbonduk 1 year ago
agreed! there is a lot of good technology out there, but big oil, govt & car manufacturers know how to keep you and I under their thumbs. Take a look at BYD technology in China! they make batteries for everything..cell phones & cars. Unfortunately where I am...back woods Ontario, a hybrid is not conducive. Hybrids are useful only in big cities. I would like to see an aftermarket technology that would benefit the average consumer.
Small cars are only as good as the drivers.
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davoid2006 1 year ago
We are not "a couple of years" away from a good hybrid car, they made a good one, they KNOW how to make them even better, but they don't. The emphasis is on making them cheaper, not better. Nor is efficiency any real goal, yes... they do want to have the best MPG of the "day", "year", whatever. But they really don't want it in the long run. You can see how they build inefficiency into things on purpose, automobiles are the worst. This is our world, it will only rise to the bar we set for it.
TheMadamoxRustkickit 1 year ago
@TheMadamoxRustkickit We are a few years away from them being able to say "this hybrid will pay for itself" if not longer; it mostly depends on fuel prices.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 Oh I agree. A Hybrid is a step in the right direction though. I see future systems having multiple 3 or more? in order to determine which system delivers what you need at what time. That is a best case scenario though. At current technology I would be willing to build you a car like this for $300,000 easy without breaking a sweat and all you would have to fill the tank w is water. If anyone has that kind of money I will build you a car like this. I promise.
TheMadamoxRustkickit 1 year ago
@TheMadamoxRustkickit ...well maybe I would break a sweat, I will still be smiling on the way to building myself one (maybe a cheaper model) w/ what is left. :)
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TheMadamoxRustkickit 1 year ago
@TheMadamoxRustkickit wtf does Fox News have to do with this? You don't save money by installing a 10k kit. Hell, you don't even save money by buying a Prius over a cheaper, standard (as in non-hybrid) high-mileage car. The technology is still too expensive to counter act the comparative low-cost of fuel in America.
I always laugh at people such as yourself. You're the sheep, truly. You're so much a sheep that I know you'll respond still thinking you're correct.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 Fox news only has to do with it because I thought the user I was referring to likely is able to stomach it while he eats his TV dinner. I myself, not so much.
A prius is only that inefficient because it is made to be, you realize that auto manufacturers and oil companies have depended on each other for a long time. It will take a lot to overcome the old (inefficient) ways of thinking.."Hey if you make your car a gas guzzler, ill slide you a big NDA and an even bigger check."
TheMadamoxRustkickit 1 year ago
@TheMadamoxRustkickit I drive a Jeep 4x4 V8 (which has been paid off for years), so I'm doing my part to help the oil companies.
Hybrids are sold to people who think they're actually helping something.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 you sound like a smart guy, do they pay you extra to spread this nonsense about "doing your part for the oil companies?" I wonder if they will pay me if I agree to stop saying "make better cars". If its enough to buy a Hybrid, I am in. "Ask not what you can do for yourself, ask what you can do for your oil company." I'll shut up, just innovate already.
TheMadamoxRustkickit 1 year ago
@TheMadamoxRustkickit I'm not a smart guy, but I do play one on TV.
What nonsense have I spread? All I said is factually correct. We are still a couple years away from hybrid becoming a truly money saving investment. Long term reliability, increased mileage, and most of all, increased fuel prices all have to happen still for the savings to truly seem possible.
I don't even own stock in oil companies, just technology. The assertion that I am some oil company shill is hilarious though.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 You haven't spread any nonsense other than "so I'm doing my part to help the oil companies." I didn't say you were an oil company. I was guessing at a conversation between an oil company and a car manufacturer. It's not about you.
Ofcourse I'm sure if that is really your purpose you would not think it is nonsense to say "dont even buy a prius! i drive a 4x4 gas guzzler, yeeha!" You are purposefully spouting the nonsense, I'm sure you have your reasons.
TheMadamoxRustkickit 1 year ago
Our stupidity and greed knows no limits. Methane (from biomass decomposition) is 1. FREE, 2. CLEAN, 3. SAFE, 4. NON CORROSIVE, 5. can be produced INDIVIDUALLY in private homes, 6. its by product is good to FERTILIZE, 7. needs no SUPERVISION. I could go on and on. Denmark is using all its Methane to run City buses. But I guess they are Danish....When is someone in POWER realize that the problem is not in ENGINEERING, but with GREED? What happened to the H2 car? Who killed the EV1? Tucker, hello??
argieboyjohn 1 year ago
people are idiots "let's make an electric car to save the environment! uhm... electricity comes from COAL energy which POLLUTES!
IPlayDaBasss 1 year ago
@IPlayDaBasss Electricity is 25% of the cost of gas when it comes to dollar/mile ratio. I think they have pretty good ways of making coal pollute less nowadays. Also it opens you up to any type of electricity compatible with the grid, in the long run, anyway it's a good idea if we care about being able to live here a long time!
TheMadamoxRustkickit 1 year ago
instead of relying on the current electric grid and heavy batteries the customer is not able to change themselves, the current hybrid that self generates electricity, relying on static generated by braking, would be better. the only oil you need is lubing the suspension area at the front. EXCELLENT question, how much would it run my home hydro bill? Does it run well in cold climates?
what is the pay back period? The technology is out there, but appears controlled by the big 5 who controls.
bigcanuckful 1 year ago
@bigcanuckful depends on where your dam is I suppose, I have heard some hydro bills get large, but that could have been just one certain (provider for a great many) power company / News Special. Then again if you think the oil/coal companies have friends in the media, they might lead them in the right direction... (find a place where people are being victimized, to make the general public think it's a bad idea. etc.) Anyway with great power comes great responsibility.
TheMadamoxRustkickit 1 year ago
wtf 10 grand, i think u loose money. Its a damn prius, it burns almost nothing already.
phatrides222000 1 year ago
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Uh, I had a 1997-3 cylinder Geo- Metro, 5pd........a great little commuter car. If I drove carefully I could get 60 mpg, and this is without many of the newer fuel saving technologies (variable valve timing, auto shutdown at stop, ultra lean burn mode, gas direct injection to name a few). I could see a little car like the Geo getting close to 100 mpg with some reworking of the systems. Problem is that little car would cost 20 grand, would it even sell? maybe if gas goes to 5 bucks a gallon.
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baccaratbargaineq 1 year ago
A prius costs twice what a UK Ford Focus 1600cc turbo diesel does too. The focus does 55MPG in town and 72MPG at 70MPH. Far cheaper to run and service than prius. No one buys them in the UK now. They are 20years behind in technology, diesel overtook the prius and left it in the dark ages.
urbex2007 1 year ago 3
@urbex2007 they have Hybrids in the UK as well, they are even more efficient. The prius is not the greatest Hybrid if you are trying to compare it to every car out there.
The truth is there are ways to increase efficiency only by vaporizing all of the gas you put into the chamber rather than just squirting it in and hoping it vaporizes when it heats up. I'm sure there are a great many other ways to increase efficiency. It will take time for all of us to learn but we will get there someday.
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captinseperoth 1 year ago
10 000$??? it will never cost that of gas?
huffy15 1 year ago
pluse how many watts? add to mpg. 22000 for pruis 10000 more for batter pack. too pricey.
jayandersons 1 year ago
and how do you "charge your car" when your on a road trip?
douhnutz 1 year ago
@douhnutz The hybrid system kicks in to take over if you are on low charge. You can turn off electric only for long duration trips. I have a PHEV Prius that is out of warranty and it is the best car to get around in. I have lots of stuff to deliver all the time and use the prius for it's massive carry space for long distance journeys. I pay next to nothing for petrol at times and I have a solar array which pays me cash for electricity I supply to the grid. I didn't pay that much for it all too.
LOLDISNEYLAND 1 year ago
what is their web page
youngsinfo 1 year ago
Wow - I can see 300.00 to 500.00 for the cost . What is it made out of gold? lol
youngsinfo 1 year ago
There was a car first made in 1988 that was gas powered, fit two people quite comfortably, was a joy to drive, and got 50+ mpg.
It was the Honda Crx Hf, and you can get one nowadays for about 2 grand.
Piss off Prius. Besides, can't be too good on gas when the pedal's stuck.
axegrinder87 1 year ago
@axegrinder87 Volkswagen diesels have always been good as well...
2009 Jetta TDI gets 50-ish mpg...Alot of older diesel Jettas get 50-ish mpg... known fact... and with good driving techniques can do even better!
And to top it all off, they run forever too... not that this case is typical, but google search for "highest mileage volkswagen". 500,000+
Don't know why I can't post links... If youtube's new litte "Error, try again" crap was more specific, I might not despise their new layout.
f00barbob 1 year ago
A hybrid Toyota Prius already costs double a 1600cc Toyota Corolla to buy and then add this conversion kit which may not even be approved by Toyota to fit. If so watch out because if it causes damage to the cars systems you'll be up for the repair bill. I think with that sort of money to buy a Prius and add the kit I'd rather buy a Mercedes for the capital outlay.
TheAdler83 2 years ago 12
@TheAdler83 A hybrid petrol is a good solution. I have a 2004 Prius and didn't pay a lot for it as it was a second hand one. The Prius is truly incredible and does save you a lot of cash and headache in the long run. In the time you would own a Mercedes from 2004, you would have needed to replace a lot of parts already. I didn't replace any parts yet except for oil and air filter, brake pads, tyres. I used to work for Merc and they don't care about their customers. The quality is bad too.
LOLDISNEYLAND 1 year ago
The future of transportation is electricity. All we have to do is continue to make it known to the public.
tnguyen318 8 months ago
ah sweet! so your telling me when i get rearended that some batteries might also explode spewing battery acid all over me! i would totally pay 10 grand for that!!!
eatwesty 2 years ago
So a hybrid can cost upto $10,000 more than some baseline gasoline powered cars and then pay another 10k for this? I'd rather power my car by hydrogen or build an electric car.
CommanderB9488 2 years ago
oh yeah, now you must pay for electricity too
SpeedMetal4635 2 years ago
Where did the money come from to take on such moronic ventures that are full of BS? They don't tell you what your electric bill will be nore that by the time it gets to your house only 1/3 of the original coal energy is left. I have designs for a vehicle light enough that two people could pick it up and put it in the back of a pick up and it will run off of wood gas I can make myself. It will never happen in a world of greedy lies.
wiscokiddd 2 years ago
You would be lucky if the batteries last for5 years, costing 20,000 in 10 years
StrongManHardMan 2 years ago
I have to pay 10,000 smakaroos so my car wont pollute?
02javis 2 years ago
more than $10.000 for the charging kit?....i can run my car 10 year with this amount of money...i dont think this kit can last 10 years+still paying for electric and gas
suatsete 2 years ago
Most people would be wasting money, these car suck! I had one of these junk,what a waste of money.
Also what about after you reach 35+mph the engine kicks on?
The electric motor wont push this car over 35, the computer kick on the engine for greater speeds.....
OverUnityNow1 2 years ago 2
@OverUnityNow1 I do not believe you did "have one of these junk" or else you would not likely have said it.
Toyota makes a good car for the most part, regardless of which model they produce and they stand by those cars w warranties / parts that last a long time, etc.
I can say the same for a lot of Chevy or Ford models, but not every model, usually just the trucks.
I heard VW and Volvo take a lot of pride in their vehicles as well, I have not heard much about Mercedes.
TheMadamoxRustkickit 1 year ago
This is incredibly impractical. $10,000 plus for the kit? You'd have to drive for more then 10 years just to make up the cost of the kit in fuel savings. Diesel-electric hybrids are going to be the wave of the future once the cost comes down.
ElvenousAndrogynous 2 years ago
Just for this video I'm going to hop into my Hummer H2 and floor it all the way up to 80 mpg on my next trip to the grocery stroe.
i90east 2 years ago
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taraff1 2 years ago
the money spent on gas goes to electricity bill...
Rayden440 2 years ago
sucks - try magnet motor
bessarabia7 2 years ago
id rather stay with my v6 thank you!!
mitchscottmadson 2 years ago
get a self generated system rather then useing electrical outlets...but at least it's a start...
rosal2006 2 years ago 2
WOW! Assuming I still have a job and the US isn't a wasteland like Iraq by then,I'd love to get one of these kits.Now all they have to do is develop a way to make it sound like a chevy V8 with killer exhaust.Much similar to what the "Fart can muffler" has done for weak 4 cylinder cars in the spanish section of town. LOL
defendant420 2 years ago
so how much does it run up your home electric bill?
defendant420 2 years ago 18
Assuming the plug hybrid has a battery capacity of 10kWh, and the national average is 11 cents per kWh, it's gonna cost $1.10 in power to recharge that car. Probably more like $1.50, due to charger efficiency.
10kWh of power will only get the car about 25 miles on all electric driving (probably more, but it's best to be cynical). The range could be improved by completely removing the gas engine and fuel/exhaust systems.
A 60kWh battery would cost $7 to charge, but give almost 200 mile range.
konatsukuonji 2 years ago
@defendant420 It costs less than buying the equivalent amount of energy for petrol.
LOLDISNEYLAND 1 year ago
@defendant420 it will approximatly raise your electic bill buy 94dollars every time you recharge
Jordan92028 1 year ago
@defendant420 yea but if everyhouse is solar powered, i know a friend who only pain 1.50 for an entire month. he has solar power.
werwr4 10 months ago
@defendant420 None, get photovoltaics
Imakeplanesboom 5 months ago
I want to offer a service that would retrofit the engine with a gas turbine that powers a capacitor bank that immensely powers a brushless motor in place of the transmission.
Well, at least that would be !@#4ing awesome on my toyota truck...
TopGunMan 2 years ago
the first automobiles after the horse & buggy was an electric carriage or car as we call it today
so this is nothing new
and yes they were PLUG-INs
lol
emforty2 2 years ago
Um yeah, let me know when you can make one of these that has more than 200 horse power and 200 torque. To the wheels.
logistix1111 2 years ago
Get geo metro xfi, that gets 51/56 mpg and it has 3 Cylinders. cheap and fun to drive.
Caseymero1491 2 years ago
fun to drive? i guess for everyone looking at you driving it its fun. I would not consider people laughing at you fun.
USGiorgi 2 years ago
@USGiorgi HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
TheMadamoxRustkickit 1 year ago
Buy a used diesel , install what you need to run on used vegie oil, get an oil filter and free used oil everywhere, cleaner than diesel and good mileage.
gtr2222 2 years ago 2
My 82 Datsun 280zx gets 63mpg on the highway, at 70mph. No where near the likes of a hybrid. But then again, I do maintain the shit out of it.
0RoadMap0 2 years ago
No it doesn't.
logistix1111 2 years ago 2
Yes.... It does. Have you driven MY car? I don't think so..
0RoadMap0 2 years ago
obviously not for the average working guy than is it. Why dont they come up with something that might only cost about five hundred bucks or so.
slikster68 3 years ago
my civic gets 45 on the interstate...even without it being a hybrid, take good care of the car with good oil and good fuel and it will take care of you...oh and buying a honda helps
4220220 3 years ago
My Nissan Maxima gets around 25 MPG on highway and 20 in the city, I'm not whining too much for not getting a Honda, oh oh, and my car gets 2 more cylinders than yours :D.
Pwnzistor 2 years ago
I'm not that far off 100 MPG, i get 82 MPG but i don't need a stupid hybrid, or a stupid converter kit, just good driving!
D41H4T5U 3 years ago
ha lucky
my suv gets 13mpg!!!!
chevyman217 3 years ago
My last SUV I owned only got 8mpg. Then again it was about as aerodynamic as a brick wall. Thats why i don't have it anymore.
0RoadMap0 2 years ago
i got an expedition lol its not a brick wall, its actually really sleek but i still only get 8mpg in the city cause its a fat tank lol
Shifty906 2 years ago
@Shifty906 I think 8MPG really says how "sleek" it is... They weren't talking about the looks, only about the aerodynamic properties of the SUV. nuff said.
TheMadamoxRustkickit 1 year ago
Too bad you cant do it to gas cars!
9sec2valve 3 years ago
im srry but this car is fucking ugly but a hybrid truck sounds nice
blackmombo0 3 years ago
I converted my father in laws car in to hh0 car for him am about to do mine as well if it works out as goods as it did on my 07 cheap as his f150 then I may start a business converting cars to hh0 gas cars it only cost about 200.00 bucks to convert f150 damn maybe i Wont start a business cuz i don't like how the car companies use technology to rub us for thousands dollars and I don't want to charge for great technology learn more contact me
sincerityproductions 3 years ago 2
Could you send me instructions? Send me via private message. I want to do this too. Do you compensate for the hydrogens corosive aspects at all?
AkinaGod 3 years ago
Yea, thing about hybrids is they are not cost effective AT ALL. By the time your done paying for one (assuming you got it just for gas purposes) you could have bought a yaris and had all the money saved go to gas. It would take like 28 years or so of driving to finally make it worth your time. They need to figure out a cost effective way to get the battery hybrid system. Wich brings me to a new point. Batteries are relatively cheap, why 10k?
AkinaGod 3 years ago
Because they have about 700lbs worth of them in there. That's NOT cheap by any stretch. Pluss they're using either NiMh or LithIon batteries in there and those are very expensive. Plus the conversion to the back end as shown to convert to plugin, that's bodywork money there that's not cheap either.
If its' about saving money yes, it makes more sence to buy a different car. But if your doing it to save the worlds natural reserve of fuel, well cant' really beat it can you?
SpecialKLSX 3 years ago
Actually bodywork is very cheap. It is just the people doing it that mark up the prices. I would know, I used to work at a body shop. But I still don't agree. If your going to save the world go full electric. Hybrids are just an excuse for oil companies to continue their profit margins.
AkinaGod 3 years ago
well said Akina. but remember where most of Americas electricity comes from at this moment.
madjimms 3 years ago
Or go diesel and overall cut your pollution footprint down further. Since said batteries come from overseas still to this day from what sources I can gather.
SpecialKLSX 2 years ago
nah, if I was doing the whole "green" thing then it would be battery power. Lithium right now is fully capable of producing a 500+ hp car even though it isn't quite measured the same. Either way, I just am sick and tired of supporting the corrupted and controlling oil companies that refuse to give the people a break because the CEO's want their 1.8 billion dollar yearlies... Each...
AkinaGod 2 years ago
what do you mean measured differently. maybe I'm missing something about what you said but one hp is 746 watts. Thats what I was always taught in school and every formula I've ever figured out with hp has always been that.
oldskoolcrazy 2 years ago
I wasn't converting. I was stating that electric power isn't measured the same way as fuel engines. Thats all.
AkinaGod 2 years ago
one electric hp=one internal combustion hp
oldskoolcrazy 2 years ago
@AkinaGod Oh I think that price is inflated and I really don't think they add any batteries this is just a kit that allows you to plug it in when you park in your garage. They should have this on the vehicle to begin with. It is likely nothing more than some electronics attatched to the batteries (already in the prius) and a drop cord to plug it in.
TheMadamoxRustkickit 1 year ago
Ten thousand dollars will buy a hell of a lot of gas sports fans!
Mr572u 3 years ago
92-95 honda civic vx and cx do you need more, since your automotive history seems to be very limited.
do you know how a combustion engine works?
do you understand what weight does to fuel consumption?
your missing the point, prolonging a real solution by constantly promoting a useless bandaid. full electric i have no problem with BUT its not for me, about %70 of america agrees with me also, so im not alone.
alternative fuel has always been the answer,
and thats a fact you should learn
mr2ya 3 years ago
what a ripoff nowones gonna buy this exept really rich people who just say 100 mpg OMG. besides to 2009 or 2010 prius is gonna have 100+mpg
adi1096 3 years ago
sounded great till the $ 10,000.00 price tag.
ST0PDrinkingPoison 3 years ago
10,000 seems pretty steep just to plug in my car.
eatingorange 3 years ago
I live in a condo with no garage or carport. My parking space is at the other end of the building. Where would I plug a hybrid in to recharge it at night?
bearnurse1 3 years ago
Quick math. $10k for the conversion, $4 a gallon, 12k miles a year, 50 mpg before and 100 mpg after(assuming).
Before - $960 a year in gas.
After - $480 a year in gas.
It would take you almost 21 years to make up the $10k price for the conversion.
Maybe I'll wait til it's standard equipment.
burns1210 3 years ago 4
if i was about to make a commitment of doing it, i would have change it to magnetic engine. not gas, no electrical power needed.
dtmhater 3 years ago
Two words; Big Rubber Bands!! ;)
joby613 3 years ago
FUCK YOU
dtmhater 3 years ago
Fuck YOU, moron.
joby613 3 years ago
thats three words learn how to count
adi1096 3 years ago
Burns1210 u forgot to add to the electric bill :-D
papatronix 2 years ago
it would be nice to see the people creating their own electricity to power these cars,and even better to also see tax incentives or grants to encourage people to get their own solar panels or wind mills etc..,its about time people wake up and realise that there is abundant clean free energy on this earth already. you just need to use it...,just think of all the money you will not have to spend on oil. better yet how about the car maker helping out as further incentive?hmm..,it might just work :)
ChemicalMikeUK 3 years ago
Tax incentive? When we start using less gas, taxes will go up.
burns1210 3 years ago
petrol (gasoline) is already heavily taxed. but the point of cleaner energy is to clean up the environment, not just to help our bank account.and tax breaks would help those who are struggling because of todays rising oil prices.many businesses have gone under or are reaching a crisis point because of this. the common man is being hit hard too. so hopefully you agree that WE CAN NO LONGER AFFORD OIL.we can however,afford abundant and clean energy.
ChemicalMikeUK 3 years ago
what a joke. 100mpg city driving only. Hwy is maybe 30!
20 YEARS AGO I bought an 87jetta, 1.8L 4cyl that consistently got 40+mpg hwy.
Car companies shouldn't brag about a car till they are getting at least 75hwy. That would mean this Hybrid POS would get almost 200mpg city.
hcciam 3 years ago 2
you wont even make the money back
1234576sam 3 years ago
do you have to have a prius? well thats a big turn off, why cant you but it in a BMW or a Merc, or a Noble, or something thats not a fucking prius.
photographyatitsbest 3 years ago 2
hydrogen from water is the way to go.
WTU208 3 years ago
10K for this is to much. You are taking it up the ass from the oil companies and this guys looks like they have a great product, but 10K is a lot of money. Is there anywhere else I can get it cheaper? I heard of a place in CA that does it for 5K. thanks guys
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BetterandBetterTech 3 years ago 2
You weren't quoting me. You are too dumb to understand anything. You are the idiot who thinks it's a good a idea to throw 2 millions dollars away just to save 60 bucks a month. Any morons would have figured that out.
ltlwatcher 3 years ago 3
10gz GTFO
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footeze226 3 years ago
I already have a Prius that gets 100 miles per gallon without that crap.
Sn1perSh00ter 3 years ago
What do you do to get 100 mile per gallon? I'd love to know. I'm getting a Prius, I spend about 280 on gas a month. Now that the gas is 4.45 a gallon. It will be about 400 a month.
leifkluge 3 years ago
LOL a hill billy invetion. 20 batteries. LOL
22OHV 3 years ago
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blahvidblah 3 years ago
Something is missing...right? Cause i really dont believe this. I believe it but the cost for gas is incredible. There probably not adding the cost of gas now.
Habboplayer2 3 years ago
Note that even if you can build a car that doesn't run on gas at all, you can only save $60 per month. That's only $720 a year.
ltlwatcher 3 years ago
"Note that even if you can build a car that doesn't run on gas at all, you can only save $60 per month.
Stupidest Comment of All Time Award.
eversincealways 3 years ago
If you don't need to eat at all, don't you save only the food costs? Don't you get it, retards?
ltlwatcher 3 years ago 3
"Don't you get it, retards?"
I think most of us spend a lot more money on gas than you purport.
eversincealways 3 years ago
Show me your calculations.
ltlwatcher 3 years ago 3
"Show me your calculations."
Nerd.
eversincealways 3 years ago
I already did. You can't do simple math.
ltlwatcher 3 years ago 3
"I already did."
I was quoting you, stupid fuck.
eversincealways 3 years ago
I don't know what kind of trash you drive but my car costs me 90 dollars per fill up, which only lasts me a week!
xiahaolong168 3 years ago
10000 is a lot, I have seen another company advertised on youtube that is 4,500 for the same thing. They use stock car batteries. Still 10,000 dollars would be absorbed in no time with 3.00dpg+ If you consider that lite trucks only get about 20 miles to the gallon in stop and go traffic in reality that is only about 1500 miles! Consider that the prius gets great gas mileage, so compare it to a Yukon or some other SUV and find out how long it would take to burn 10,000 in gas, you'd be surprized.
salvinorinman 4 years ago
1500miles/20mpg=75gallons. 75gallons x 3dpg=$225. If your car become 5 times more efficient, that means you save $180 (225x4/5) on 1,500 miles. I showed you how I did my math. How did you come up with those numbers?
ltlwatcher 3 years ago 2
Do the math. If you normally spend $60 per month on gas, you can save roughly $50 per month with that in your car. That means you can save about $600 per year. I am not even being conservative. When can you recover the $10,000? Unless you are a hard-core enviornmentalist...
ltlwatcher 4 years ago
Yeah but how many people only spend 60$ a month on gas?
H0WL1TZER 4 years ago
Exactly! If they spend less than 60 bucks per month on gas, it would take them even longer to recover the $10,000.
ltlwatcher 4 years ago 2
i think u missed the point... i personally spend that much PER WEEK! but still, 10000 is pushing it...
frifox 3 years ago
spend how much on what? I think you are missing my point.
ltlwatcher 3 years ago
60$ per month on gas... :)
frifox 3 years ago
Say if your car really become 5 times more efficient, then you can save $48 per month. That's only $576 per year. You can absorb the $10,000 in 17.36 years. I showed you my math. That's my point. What's the point I am missing?
ltlwatcher 3 years ago 2
100 mpg eh well whats my electric bill gonna cost?? im in arizona and its already 500$ a month with the A/C goin...
WizardEyes 4 years ago
Wizard, install solar panels in your home. The goverment pays up to 60% of the cost and get an energy audit. They are free. I own Kluge Solar in California and going solar kicks ass.
leifkluge 3 years ago