Just thought my video (which I made nearlly 5 months ago) reply had some useful messages for you.
I think your Church is here on youtube - you been online for 2-3 years so far? Even though you have been moving churchs in a very short time, you were still here - you belong here :)
[Your pastor] ..preaches more like a prosperity gospel, no condemnation / No Cry for Repentence,
What's wrong with Hellfire preaching?
The advantage of Hell-fire preaching is that it gets to the heart of the problem. People need to know that they are already under a sentence of condemnation to Hell. The love option is a good way to connect with people, but at some point they need to be confronted with the truth.
kkkkkkk - I just see two sides of the pendulum... 1 is all love w/o a real word of condemnation - 2 is condemnation w/o a real word on love - I do believe there is a balance - a middle ground - that has to be found to really focused on -
Leave, and Ask Holy Spirit to guide you to a church where God wants you to be at. If you aren't comfortable now you won't be for a long time. Don't settle for less, Ask, Seek and knock until you find the right one where you can truly Grow, not descend.
Praise be the LORD ELOHIM YESHUA. Amen. What a powerful & holy spirit led video, brother Chris. I agree with all you've brought up here. If it helps, on some level, we're all asking & inquiring required answers after the same questions. We're instructed to "seek, knock, & ask", if your church isn't following the true gospel of the LORD, then perhaps formulating a "home church" for fellowship & bible study might be a good 1st step for GOD's true family & church. HIS will be done 1st. 8^)>
God bless you brother chris your in my prayers my advice would be to keep that church in prayer but leave that church what fellowship is light with darkness? i would leave that church but keep that church in your prayers i hope and pray that helps God bless you keep up the good work for God's kingdom and glory never stop fighting the good fight of faith Jesus Christ is Lord Amen
JMO.... If i was in this situation then i would walk. Walk fast and direct away from this church. Just have group meetings with folks. The church is not about a big place nor is it against. The church is where God is and his word is preached regardless of the orginization.
it seems the Lord is changing your heart Chris....teaching you to walk on the narrow path that leads to Salvation.
Most professing christians are on the broad road to destruction.
Don't be one of them...be Lead by the Holy Spirit.
1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
a true born-again man can have a lonely walk even in the U.S.
I have come to reason that to be critical of this model of the 'church' that Americans have ingrained into the psyche is about as time wasting as proposing ' all football be banned on thanksgiving' . What about no church? when you said you've joined several in the last few years, with the same results? what are you looking for? your ideal church? your ideal religion? That should be the heads up for you, because those churches out there, everyone is "THEIR" own flavor of Jesus.
If you have to go outside to find God, you're not looking for him, you are looking for acknowledgment from some one else, that you have him. If you are looking for the perfect religion, you won't find it either, religion is like football, they get a good quarterback and the team does good. Then he gets traded and the team goes downhill, nothing to do with the game, just the quarterback. religion is a game, if you agree to be involved then choose a team, but know that its all just a game.
A rich man once asked Jesus "what should I do to inherit the kingdom" Jesus replied "Sell everything you have and follow me" Jesus knew his sheep, Jesus knew his role and reason for incarnation, yet somehow we are lead to believe that this verse is supposed to mean sell all your worldly possessions. Simply not so. Follow me. "Seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and all its glory, then all else shall be added unto you. You've got it reversed!
Just saw this or would have been first to tell you what to do, in the eyes of some, or give you rock solid advice.
A spiritual grasshopper will up and leave. I know you spoken with him, but you need a sit down with pastor to see if there is a release from him. You will know what God is saying. If you go out from under the covering of authority, the umbrella of spiritual covering, you will be alone and relying on your memory of conviction in hard attacks. Of course you have what it takes.
You'll need to tighten up your doctrine and know what you believe. That has been the toughest part for me when I was released because I never went back under the authority of another church. The demonic attacks are relentless and come from all angles. All of all sudden you can't just listen to all preachers as a form of recreation. One will stand out as tough enough to fit your needs (my case anyway) and hooking heavily can prove wrong without a few like spirits to test against with.
Then you can hear 'cult' which can be comical to hear especially if you came out of a church thousands strong that was referred to as a cult. Not that you'll be realeased and stay out, but if you get that spiritual release, then all this could happen before you seat your family in another church family again, if you in fact do.
I hope I was clear in these posts. Anymore, those who jump on a bandwagon claiming to not understand me brand themselves as jokers.
welcome to the tribulation. when you are persecuted in one place, kick the dust off your feet and move on to the next place. Pray and find out where God wants you next.
To be honest I do not really think that Halloween is that big a deal. Just a holiday to me. But a prosperity gospel does not sound right. It seems that he is just tickling people ears and giving half of God's word. That does not seem right. God bless.
Start looking for another church and the first chance you get you leave that place. Hope that helps. Blessings and good luck. God will lead you to where you need to go.
Keep on praying bro! God will show you a church! There are many false churches. Keep on asking God to show you one. Praying for you brother. Also I am looking for a good church!
2 0f 2 . no where in the bible dose it say that the word church. we are only commanded to have fellowship. i think that you should just have fellowship in your home with others that feel the way that you do.you and others can teach each other. the holy spirit will teach you all the things that the pastor dose. the holy spirit is the best pastor/teacher/ preacher. the holy spirit is all that you need to learn the things you need to know.
The last church building service that I attended the pastor asked the congregation..."Did you bring your book?"
I held up my Bible and said "yes, I brought THE BOOK"....the pastor flippantly replied...yeah that is THE BOOK but that is not what we are teaching from today...
I won't ever go back! I follow Jesus! Praise Jesus!
1of 2 I understand you frustation in this. i am there myself. I search the scipures for sometime and found the anwser that i need to tackel this problem. Here is what i have found. when jesus was speaking to people he didnt do it in a building. he did it outside. when the apostles spoke to people about jesus the new testement bible was not yet writtin. so they told people in there homes not in a church. the church was not created yet. they got together in there home and preached.
And let the peace (soul harmony which comes) from Christ rule (act as umpire continually) in your hearts [deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds, in that peaceful state] to which as [members of Christ's] one body you were also called [to live]. And be thankful (appreciative), [giving praise to God always]. -amplified version.
I don't always have to like the choice I have to make, but I HAVE to have His peace about it. GBU, bro
Me, personally, I would leave. Especially the "heresy hunter" bit. I haven't heard that in a long time. TBN uses the term heresy hunter all the time. And they get very mean with it. Talking about blowing your head off with a Holy Ghost machine gun.
I have also found that the more time passes, the crazier church gets. I used to attend a church my mother goes to but stopped going years ago because of things like this.
But in the end, its your choice. I hope it works out in the end.
I know what your feeling. I sometimes feel they not only took the 10 commandments out of the schools but also out of the churches too. I actually was thinking of going Catholic at least they are standing up and teaching the rules.
Yeah #1 You are totally right for taking a stand,keep that up for sure,if a church will not repent from OBVIOUSE sin,then I myself will walk the walk alone with Jesus,and pray that he either leads me to a congregation established in the truth or start a home study church,that's not starting a denomination,rather it's establishing the church,people have to walk the walk not just talk the talk,God is clear about that.You are doing a lot better than you think,thank God you remain true to Him.
I have found that spiritual growth follows leaving a dead church. The one on one with Jesus daily is so much more than churchianity can provide. Follow Jesus!
Lots of good advice here. I'll just give my experience - Last time I felt that way I sucked it all in and dealt with it until I had a little bit of a nervous breakdown and I winded up not going to church anymore.
The modern organized religious system is, and will always be the modern organized religious system. It fits into Mat. 20:25 thru27 & Rev. 11:2 and they are given by God to remain there. Think it not strange to find yourself where you are. The 21st century Exodus is freeing people all over the planet to seek Him and Him alone. You are more than just merchandise, Rev 18:13. He is leading you into True interdepence with Jesus the head of His multi-membered Body of Chirist , of whom you are.
People make descions far too hastily I feel-I would consider waiting a month and reflecting. The thing is, you will not find a perfect church (ever), but there could be people there you can help. (Churches arn't about finding perfect people, for that matter). I sometimes think people are concerned about the wrong issues, when there are far more important ones...instead of seeing oppertunity they see problems.
Another thing to consider is, that even if someone doesn't see immediate fruit, that does not mean God is not working in peoples (and your) heart. Sometimes being an abiding presence is more powerful an argument and tool of influence then simply leaving. Sometimes people just "leaving" enables things to become worse.
freezing - I agree completely - the problem is that I have gone through those steps and Im not sure there's any opportunity to be had when I am mocked and marginalized... but God will show me - and all the responses are helping me to at least get a more clear view of the options available. GBU
Chris the other side of it is more personal, if you are feeling hurt and wounded, I don't believe Christ desires that for his flock-for his children. Please take time to remember that and...heal. I think it sucks to be honest and I am pained to see sincere brothers and sisters in pain...
Actually, we left that church...my family still goes there...so I know what they said last week.
I know what you should do.....LEAVE!!
We have been labeled "church jumpers".....the last pastor even gave the same sermon 3 times that I know of on why "church jumping" is bad. He said it was because we are trying to "bless ourselves."
That's not true.....we jump because pastors fall away from scripture. It really may be time to leave! HOME CHURCH!
Right now we are not a stable family. So I usually fall back on "we won't be here long anyways" when settling in a church. I know it is going to be a struggle when we get back home. I think it is good that you are consistently seeking. Keep seeking. If you are MORE not in agreement with the churches theology, then I would be gone. But If there are only a few things that you struggle with, I would say to use it for you and your families spiritual growth.
Hi Chris, you are right feeling that way about halloween, its origins are pure satanic evil. Get to know the true feast days of the MOST HIGH Read Leviticus 23. Not man made holidays. Also the true SABBATH is fri sunset to sat sunset. NOT SUNDAY. You do not have to belong to any church. Seek the MOST HIGH YHWY through the son YAHUSHUA and be willing to be led. followersofyah is a good site with alot of information and books and tracts that can be read online. May YAHUWAH Bless us all!
Hi Chris. I dont know much about your church, but I know a little about you. I have similar thoughts about my own church. But there are 2 ways of looking at it. You could leave ,or you could stay. Sometimes a church will not change if everyone that dissagrees with it leaves. Sometimes God may want us to affect a community from within. You have leadership qualities, but I have sometimes found that similar people are not satisfied. A leader has to be able to serve. cont...
cont.. However I am not sure about your leader. I only saw him once on youtube and I was concerned. Maybe thats just me. You asked for prophesy. Once I think God showed me a picture of a glass of fizzy clear drink. it was very frothy on top. Then he seperated the froth from the drink.the froth could not sustain itself and fizzled or flattened out. Are you being fed froth, or is the drink life giving.Are you being pressured to go with the flow.Its OK if its from God, but not if it isnt. GBU bro
Chris................sincerely..............Let the WORD teach you, NOT MAN DOCTRINES. There are many who have left the church who participate online for weekly services. IT IS WRITTEN !
Sounds to me you are trapped in a false and carnal church. My advice... RUN! take your family and RUN! don't risk your soul or those of your children to be politically correct. Find a church that stays firmly in the Word of God... if you can't find one.. then start a home church (which is more in line with the primitive church anyway)... but do NOT stay in this carnal and misleading church.
This is much to cover in this video but one thing you said in it does raise some red flags for me. When you said I have been (I assume you mean joined if not please correct me) to 7 chuches in the past 5 years. You also stated that you are looking for something that fits you. Well for me that almost sounds like your not really looking for truth but to find something that fits your already held beleifs about Christ and Christianity. Now I do agree with you on some of cont.....
of the points you made about the Church but your breaking point about halloween just seems slightly artificial. That you kinda have been looking for a reason to leave and this gave it to you. Now this being said I want to be clear I am NOT saying that this is accurate but is SOLELY based upon the context of the video alone. When someone said Heresy Hunter to you it seems to me that based upon you being a part of so many churches and leaving that it could be true in the context cont.....
context that you seem to look for problems with the churches. Though I honestly don't know enough to make these as judgements but something to think about. Now the thing is that maybe you have become used to just leaving a church when something about it really doesn't fit you. I would honestly suggest that you take some serious time to study the bible, History of scriptures and interpretation troughout your chosen faith before coming to any conclusion. Now it may be that this cont....
this church really is in the wrong (especally if its about prosperity doctrine) and you should leave but if you do make sure it really is for the right reasons. If you do end up I would honestly suggest not just jumping to another church but learn about it...what it really beleives and its views on scripture, history and so on. I would suggest finding a church that fits Christ not you. You have to also rember that your the one that could be wrong. Now I have a lot of cont....
lot of respect for you and while I don't agree with everything you say I know your truly trying to serve the Lord. I am still sick so can't make a vid right now so that is why this comment is so long. Seriously though pray and think and study before you come to any conclusion and actions. Take care my freind and God Bless.
Shiro - I've done that - but I can say that I am confused over whether or not I am being too emotional or whether or not I am feeling conviction from God to move on... I do not like to - or want to - church hop - as it is called.
Shiro ...Halloween is just one of many straws upon the camel's back - but I have been holding on in hope - striving to be patient and compassionate... and may end up continuing to do so - however - words like yours will help me to remember that I could be the problem - not 'them'... and I thank you for that.
Shiro - I shouldve been more careful - I have attended 7-8 churches but only joined 2 (the last two) as an actual member. When I say I am looking for something that fits 'me' I am giving a politically correct nod to those who would argue that their church is following God's Word - I am looking for what God has shown to be true as I see it - if that makes sense. I am not looking for a church that bends to my sin or something like that.
My parents struggled with this for a long time. Until God led them to a church about 45 minutes away from them. Its called Faith Christian Center and its located in Seekonk MA. I find the doctrin taught there to be exactly what I want, and what I like. The people there, while they do have their faults, are very kind and supportive. PM if you want more info dude. I shall also be praying for God to show you the right path.
It's a tough decision Chris. I went through it a few years ago. I made the decision to leave organized church completely. I found that I have learned more by just letting the Holy Spirit teach me on my own.
Once you remove the traditions of men, you learn a great deal more.
I know you are asking US what we think you should do, but ultimately you need to let God tell you what is right for you and your family.
a church by definition of a "body of believers"... it has nothing to do with what building or people you join Chris! remember that!
now in this modern world... it's a little more tough, I understand. I've been reading "Pagan Christianity?" and comparing my past experiences with Churches/denominations and now understand when I was young--why I wasn't truly a Christian, and saw hypocrisy littered in the rituals/beliefs.
God will lead you-you can stay and try to help others understand, or leave.
Must say that it's VERY important, CONCERNING YOUR CHILDREN'S GROWTH, what church you take them in.
I can understand your situation. I myself do not belong to a church, to say the fact, I left my church for it's lack of knowledge. "But you could be a light for those people!" -Yes, but since I see no repentance or concern in their thoughts after rebuking them, neither I see no reason to hang with them.
Even if the church placed Halloween in the realm of Christian liberty, we are told not to flaunt that liberty in front of those whose conscience tells them it is wrong.
We should always be sesitive to the conscience of others in these matters. It is wrong for your pastor and elders to dismiss and mock you.
I can sympathize with you. My church is drifting toward word-faith and "God isn't here if you can't feel Him" mentality.
Although we don't communicate, I have both agreed and disagreed with you in the past on a variety of subjects. Today, I must say that I am proud of you. It doesn't matter how long a person is a Christian, we are always being given more sight to see as we grow. I think this video answers your own question. You know what you need to do. Its hard not having a church, but harder to be in one that directly opposes Yeshua's teachings. You're in my prayers.
Ive been to dozens of churches, and ultimately stopped going. But for me it was a breath of fresh air, and feel that I have gotten closer to God. But that's just me.
I'm about to do the same, glad to hear it worked out for the best for someone else. I always feel uplifted when studying with friends or on my own but attending the congregation I'm currently in seems to be more of a test of my faith then anything else unfortunately.
I would be afraid of any group that thinks the same. Surrounding yourself with people that will always agree with you sounds like a bad idea. I doubt the 12 disciples were clones. Matt 18
I would suggest you ask questions regarding your problems, to the people of the church. What this does is it makes them find you interesting, so they're more likely to listen to you.
I'm gonna share a video with you, which I think you can use. It doesn't exactly fit the bill; but it can be adapted.
I feel for u Chris cause we have been thru that & worse.
One church we attended went to the point of denying the word 'sin', 'repent' & 'hell'. We were kicked out for standing up for witnessing the gospel instead of doing the 'all you need is love' & being like the world but slapping the word 'christian' on everything.
Pragmatism has infected the church & to its detriment.
As for what to do - its hard to say. Being a lone ranger/in the wilderness has its place, but still have to get back.
LOL. Keep looking christoferL. the old "Never find a perfect church" line.........its used here in Australia a lot also. Ever wonder why church stays well away from teaching details??? LMAO
Its what its about.......keeping people sheep. So much for no confusion.
I think church hoping is a good idea. You get to see the church from a brids eye point of view to some extetent. Look at it as though God is showing you the state the church by and large is actually in. See what non believers see quite easily. Who knows, you may come out with something more profound and rock solid than what they teach at church.Just dont fall for the trap of starting your own cult/church, which finally gets it right for a change LOL (sarcasm at the end there)
(2). Considering that atheist and christians alike can agree that there are so many preachers out there obviously making themselves rich of the "pay %10 tithe or receive a Godly curse" mantra, you may consider yourself to be on to something. Look up Voltaire and wonder why so many poor christians loved the guy over the church (while remaining christians)
I would suggest yokeup ministries church. He is a darling chap who sees everthing as demonic or angelic, black or white, no room for grey or rainbow colors.
Chris Christianity means different things to different people. I think you are more than aware of this. You are being selective with regards to your dislikes and what you subjectively believe should be Christianity. Although, I do admire you need to follow some sort of truth and balance with regards to biblical interpretation and its applications for day to day lives.
However, you must admit, church (in majority) is nothing more than a interesting social gathering. What do I really think you should do? In all honesty I would recommend that you have a think about what I have written above and take it one step further how might human subjective need and cultural influence affect the idea of God, religious doctrine and the real credibility of Christianity.
Its s all made and produced by mankind Chris it is quite obvious if you really allow yourself to dare question and think about it. If is was not? Well, surely the truth (if it ever existed) has long been diluted beyond repair by the influencing factors I cite above. Be well and happy. Kind and warm regards to you and your family.
i think that halloween is the same exact thing as those harvest days or whatever they are called. might as well just celebrate halloween if you want and not celebrate it if you don't
What would I do? After talking w/ the pastor? After talking with elders? And getting nowhere? Not even an offer of any of them to pray about it?
I'd come out of her and really seek Yahweh and ask Him where He wants you. He's so faithful - He WILL answer you......and bless you for seeking HIM first in this matter.
Acts 8:9-24, the story of Simon, shows that occultism and Christianity don't mix.
Wow, this is an issue where its very sensitive. I wouldnt make any rush decision; pray about it and we will pray with you.
I am going through a storm myself, and brother all we can do at this point; is just rest and rely on Jesus. Keep on seeking his kingdom, the rest will be added including a good church.
I would like to talk to you tonight if possible via phone. I will PM you my phone # when I get home
Remember when bible talks about the great falling away.. I think that's the point where the churches we have today.. mostly all of them.. have become.
Everyone knows that they are sinners, and that they need to repent.. yet they still teach doctrine that let them do what ever they want.. And then say that we love god..
I would do this:
Show them where they are wrong.. few times.. If they don't listen.. Don't mind them.. Get out.. Don't start your own denomination
Christofer - you now begin to reach the crossroads that I did many years ago over many of the same issues. Calling Halloween a Harvest Festival does not change what you are doing. It is evil in G-ds eyes. Worse yet HE provided a Harvest time HOLY day called Sukkot. But dare not recommend to celebrate those lest you be called a Judiazer.
I have attached a video showing some highlights of our celebration.
Personally I'd get up and leave, but then again I don't exactly know your circumstance, Chris. It's the same here, when people find out that I don't celebrate "Christ-Mass", "Eeshtar", or "Hollow-eve", I usually get weird looks and the occasional "HERETIC!" accusation.
I'd say, start your own church, but that could be a heck of a hassle to undertake such a huge mission. If I were you, I'd try to find some sort of a "house church". All I can say is, P.U.S.H. (Pray Until Something Happens).
"Hallelujah Night" festivities are supposed to be a safe alternative. I think this stems from the doctrine that for every good thing God has, the Devil has his counterfeit. So this a way of making a counterfeit for one of the Devil's holidays (turn an evil for good). In fact, some churches are even using this as an opportunity to spread their gospel message. Guts Church in Tulsa, OK, holds the "Nightmare" exhibit every year to "scare the HELL out of you".
The church is not a place where we can expect spiritual perfection. Personally, I see the issue of "Halloween," "bunnies," "Christmas trees," etc. as a Romans 14 issue.
If those participating in your church BELIEVE it is sin and yet CONTINUE to participate, then I would be concerned.
Bottom line for me is that if you feel fellowship AND you are learning and growing spiritually in the church you are in, I say stay put.
Chris, you can only do what God lays upon your heart. I pray that Jesus will give you direction. You have to trust HIM. He IS our Good Shepherd after all.
As for the holidays, as biggydman said, both Christmas and Easter are Pagan holidays that the Catholic Church adopted and Christianized (I'm sure you know this). I was shocked to find out what the easter bunny and easter eggs really represent (as well as the christmas tree).
The only thing I can say about this is Judge with Rightous Judgement. We can't judge the intents of people's hearts. Now, If you're seeing things and hear things that are complelety unbiblical Leave that Church. I Don't know your pastor or his intentions, but if he isn't seeking to restore the biblical model of the Church (Chirt's community) then it really isn't worth your time. If all you're doing and are encouraged to do is go sit in a pew, Listen to a sermon and put money in the plate-
-Just leave...that's just another typical dead church...Personally I see no problem with Christians gathering on holloween as long as it is an entirely different function than that of the world..It shouldn't even resemble the world's activity. Now a costume party is one thing, but a haunted house is another, But should we have a costume party on halloween?
no,I think that sends the wrong message. The truth is you will never find a church that agrees 100% with what you believe.-
-simply for the fact that we all hold to doctrines that are more of a mystery than a sure thing (Pretrib midtrb or posttrib rapture, Days of creation, should women teach etc etc.) But the main thing is that we judge actions not people...I don't know if that helped but there it is.
The truth is we are not teaching the kids nothing.
Chris you need to make a millon dollars a year then they will here. Chris I did not just wake up and say one day I am going to start keeping God commandment I started because I seen where not keeping them was taking people to a pagan god. All of God's words are for our good. Even the ones people wont hear anymore..
Look for another church. In the meantime, look up sermons here in YouTube and elsewhere on the internet that your family can watch. Also maintain your friendships with those in the church who are godly and perhaps invite them over for bible study.
Don't feel bad if you've been to several churches in several years. It's getting real hard to find a church that preaches the Word accurately and then lives it out. Many churches nowadays are just social congeniality clubs.
If you do decide to leave you can just start having home fellowship,kinda like the first church did.That is by having fellow Christians meet up over someone's house and discuss what the Lord puts on your hearts,good things the Lord has done and everyone giving to each others needs.
I say leave it all together. It does nothing but create confusion with its dualistic mindset. The enemies and the attitude may change depending where you are, but the hateful yet 'loving' message is still the same. Don't blame the people, but the source (The Bible).
The Bible can mean whatever someone wants it to. Why else do you think it's so vague? It doesn't give answers, but instead leaves more questions where there previously were none.
You struggled with this Halloween issue last year. Do you struggle with Saturnilia (Christmas) and Ishtar (Easter) too? You will find issues with any church you attend! If you pull out and start your own thing, you'll become the object of someone else's convictions! I think that if you have a personal conviction about Halloween- live it out- but don't expect others to share that. Seven churches in five years- might as well leave- that church loved you in spite of yourself!
Big - Actually - I struggle with the whole Santa thing - as well as the Bunny thing - but not those holidays themselves. Halloween is different because I see it as a spiritual deception that so many just pretend isn't there. As I said - I don't want to start my own thing - that only adds to other problems... so you vote 'yes, leave?'
No! Not at all. I vote stay. If you came to my church- I'd hesitate to embrace you simply because I'd say- this guy is a "leaver" and he's going to leave! This church has embraced you and loved you in spite of your track record. Church hopping doesn't hurt people as much as it hurts their kids. They never learn committment- they learn- look for imperfection- find it and move on. I am in imperfect man with an imperfect church and a perfect Savior. Bitter people will give you bad advice!
Big - while I don't know how loving the other churches were - in this case I do have to wonder how loving it was to mock and joke about said 'personal conviction' - and I also have to wonder how 'personal' it could be - considering I do NOT think Jesus would partake in Halloween whatsoever.
Mocking anyone's convictions is never right. I'm sure they would find things in their own lives that they avoid that you don't have a problem with. None of us are really qualified to answer this question for you because only the Holy Spirit can direct you here! Hypothetical: If Jesus had a house and kids were knocking on his door to trick or treat- do you think he'd: just pretend he wasn't there, tell them they were going to Hell, or give them gospel tracts instead of candy?
If you tell your kid about Santa Claus in the context that he's a real person who does magical things like go down every chimney and visit every house on Earth in one night, you are lying to your children. If you want to tell your kids about the history behind the origins of Santa Claus and St. Nicholas, that's perfectly honest.
Cute little bunnies I see as almost analogous to innocent lams. They don't fit with the tradition of Christianity, but the central theme is the same.
amen, my brother, yes the 95 thesis, why don't the church tell the true. People are searching for TRUTH. The bible say, come out of her my people.
Tell your testimony my brother yes, yes teach, tell the all. Be there and done it.
HairNailsBeautytips 2 years ago
Just thought my video (which I made nearlly 5 months ago) reply had some useful messages for you.
I think your Church is here on youtube - you been online for 2-3 years so far? Even though you have been moving churchs in a very short time, you were still here - you belong here :)
lovejesusplz 2 years ago
Here's what You've said Chris:
@4:53 ...there's 'Paydirt'
[Your pastor] ..preaches more like a prosperity gospel, no condemnation / No Cry for Repentence,
What's wrong with Hellfire preaching?
The advantage of Hell-fire preaching is that it gets to the heart of the problem. People need to know that they are already under a sentence of condemnation to Hell. The love option is a good way to connect with people, but at some point they need to be confronted with the truth.
kkkkkkatherine 2 years ago
kkkkkkk - I just see two sides of the pendulum... 1 is all love w/o a real word of condemnation - 2 is condemnation w/o a real word on love - I do believe there is a balance - a middle ground - that has to be found to really focused on -
christoferL 2 years ago
Leave, and Ask Holy Spirit to guide you to a church where God wants you to be at. If you aren't comfortable now you won't be for a long time. Don't settle for less, Ask, Seek and knock until you find the right one where you can truly Grow, not descend.
genoark 2 years ago
I just left a comment on your other video about this... im with you on this man.
scjason420 2 years ago
Praise be the LORD ELOHIM YESHUA. Amen. What a powerful & holy spirit led video, brother Chris. I agree with all you've brought up here. If it helps, on some level, we're all asking & inquiring required answers after the same questions. We're instructed to "seek, knock, & ask", if your church isn't following the true gospel of the LORD, then perhaps formulating a "home church" for fellowship & bible study might be a good 1st step for GOD's true family & church. HIS will be done 1st. 8^)>
netta2158 2 years ago
God bless you brother chris your in my prayers my advice would be to keep that church in prayer but leave that church what fellowship is light with darkness? i would leave that church but keep that church in your prayers i hope and pray that helps God bless you keep up the good work for God's kingdom and glory never stop fighting the good fight of faith Jesus Christ is Lord Amen
archdelux 2 years ago
Worship at home...Teach your wife & friends..Where there is two or more gathered in his name he is there...We are the Church.
HolySpiritDwells 2 years ago
JMO.... If i was in this situation then i would walk. Walk fast and direct away from this church. Just have group meetings with folks. The church is not about a big place nor is it against. The church is where God is and his word is preached regardless of the orginization.
Take care Chris. GB.
joeprogo 2 years ago
Pack your bags Chris!
ProclaimHisWord 2 years ago
it seems the Lord is changing your heart Chris....teaching you to walk on the narrow path that leads to Salvation.
Most professing christians are on the broad road to destruction.
Don't be one of them...be Lead by the Holy Spirit.
1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
a true born-again man can have a lonely walk even in the U.S.
HalieusOPsuche 2 years ago
I have come to reason that to be critical of this model of the 'church' that Americans have ingrained into the psyche is about as time wasting as proposing ' all football be banned on thanksgiving' . What about no church? when you said you've joined several in the last few years, with the same results? what are you looking for? your ideal church? your ideal religion? That should be the heads up for you, because those churches out there, everyone is "THEIR" own flavor of Jesus.
MrVisions 2 years ago
If you have to go outside to find God, you're not looking for him, you are looking for acknowledgment from some one else, that you have him. If you are looking for the perfect religion, you won't find it either, religion is like football, they get a good quarterback and the team does good. Then he gets traded and the team goes downhill, nothing to do with the game, just the quarterback. religion is a game, if you agree to be involved then choose a team, but know that its all just a game.
MrVisions 2 years ago
A rich man once asked Jesus "what should I do to inherit the kingdom" Jesus replied "Sell everything you have and follow me" Jesus knew his sheep, Jesus knew his role and reason for incarnation, yet somehow we are lead to believe that this verse is supposed to mean sell all your worldly possessions. Simply not so. Follow me. "Seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and all its glory, then all else shall be added unto you. You've got it reversed!
MrVisions 2 years ago
Just saw this or would have been first to tell you what to do, in the eyes of some, or give you rock solid advice.
A spiritual grasshopper will up and leave. I know you spoken with him, but you need a sit down with pastor to see if there is a release from him. You will know what God is saying. If you go out from under the covering of authority, the umbrella of spiritual covering, you will be alone and relying on your memory of conviction in hard attacks. Of course you have what it takes.
AnotherBrotherMark 2 years ago
You'll need to tighten up your doctrine and know what you believe. That has been the toughest part for me when I was released because I never went back under the authority of another church. The demonic attacks are relentless and come from all angles. All of all sudden you can't just listen to all preachers as a form of recreation. One will stand out as tough enough to fit your needs (my case anyway) and hooking heavily can prove wrong without a few like spirits to test against with.
AnotherBrotherMark 2 years ago
Then you can hear 'cult' which can be comical to hear especially if you came out of a church thousands strong that was referred to as a cult. Not that you'll be realeased and stay out, but if you get that spiritual release, then all this could happen before you seat your family in another church family again, if you in fact do.
I hope I was clear in these posts. Anymore, those who jump on a bandwagon claiming to not understand me brand themselves as jokers.
God bless you in your times.
AnotherBrotherMark 2 years ago
welcome to the tribulation. when you are persecuted in one place, kick the dust off your feet and move on to the next place. Pray and find out where God wants you next.
gloryboundkev 2 years ago
Well said!! And Amein!!
tigerlamb007 2 years ago
To be honest I do not really think that Halloween is that big a deal. Just a holiday to me. But a prosperity gospel does not sound right. It seems that he is just tickling people ears and giving half of God's word. That does not seem right. God bless.
MultiArchangel 2 years ago
Start looking for another church and the first chance you get you leave that place. Hope that helps. Blessings and good luck. God will lead you to where you need to go.
MultiArchangel 2 years ago
Keep on praying bro! God will show you a church! There are many false churches. Keep on asking God to show you one. Praying for you brother. Also I am looking for a good church!
john146romans1013 2 years ago
Move into the desert with your family and wear only horse hair clothing while subsisting on wild honey and locusts
KasparHauser4 2 years ago
Good comment even considering the source
ReceivingJesus 2 years ago
You will find there are many of us who have left the system and refuse to go back to it. Just continue to let the Holy Spirit guide you.
purplepixelations 2 years ago
2 0f 2 . no where in the bible dose it say that the word church. we are only commanded to have fellowship. i think that you should just have fellowship in your home with others that feel the way that you do.you and others can teach each other. the holy spirit will teach you all the things that the pastor dose. the holy spirit is the best pastor/teacher/ preacher. the holy spirit is all that you need to learn the things you need to know.
Ashalyia2008 2 years ago
The last church building service that I attended the pastor asked the congregation..."Did you bring your book?"
I held up my Bible and said "yes, I brought THE BOOK"....the pastor flippantly replied...yeah that is THE BOOK but that is not what we are teaching from today...
I won't ever go back! I follow Jesus! Praise Jesus!
InHISWord2 2 years ago
1of 2 I understand you frustation in this. i am there myself. I search the scipures for sometime and found the anwser that i need to tackel this problem. Here is what i have found. when jesus was speaking to people he didnt do it in a building. he did it outside. when the apostles spoke to people about jesus the new testement bible was not yet writtin. so they told people in there homes not in a church. the church was not created yet. they got together in there home and preached.
Ashalyia2008 2 years ago
God bless You man and may jesus lead you threw hard times
WarriorOfGod117 2 years ago
Hey Chris :)
Colossians 3:15
And let the peace (soul harmony which comes) from Christ rule (act as umpire continually) in your hearts [deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds, in that peaceful state] to which as [members of Christ's] one body you were also called [to live]. And be thankful (appreciative), [giving praise to God always]. -amplified version.
I don't always have to like the choice I have to make, but I HAVE to have His peace about it. GBU, bro
OlySezHey 2 years ago
Me, personally, I would leave. Especially the "heresy hunter" bit. I haven't heard that in a long time. TBN uses the term heresy hunter all the time. And they get very mean with it. Talking about blowing your head off with a Holy Ghost machine gun.
I have also found that the more time passes, the crazier church gets. I used to attend a church my mother goes to but stopped going years ago because of things like this.
But in the end, its your choice. I hope it works out in the end.
JudgeEden 2 years ago
I know what your feeling. I sometimes feel they not only took the 10 commandments out of the schools but also out of the churches too. I actually was thinking of going Catholic at least they are standing up and teaching the rules.
salilfelhar 2 years ago
salilfelhar...what rules are the Catholics teaching?
Didn't they literaly change the text of the10 Commandments(reguardless of how you interpret how one obeys them)
aesthetictripp 2 years ago
Yeah #1 You are totally right for taking a stand,keep that up for sure,if a church will not repent from OBVIOUSE sin,then I myself will walk the walk alone with Jesus,and pray that he either leads me to a congregation established in the truth or start a home study church,that's not starting a denomination,rather it's establishing the church,people have to walk the walk not just talk the talk,God is clear about that.You are doing a lot better than you think,thank God you remain true to Him.
aesthetictripp 2 years ago
You describe complacency and a sleeping church.
I have found that spiritual growth follows leaving a dead church. The one on one with Jesus daily is so much more than churchianity can provide. Follow Jesus!
InHISWord2 2 years ago
LOL group hug!! Everyone Group hug!
ReligionThink 2 years ago
Huggles!
christoferL 2 years ago
Lots of good advice here. I'll just give my experience - Last time I felt that way I sucked it all in and dealt with it until I had a little bit of a nervous breakdown and I winded up not going to church anymore.
solarisgalrocks 2 years ago
@solarisgalrocks
And do you feel so much better now?
cjunk351 2 years ago
honestly, no. But my journey is not over.
solarisgalrocks 2 years ago
The modern organized religious system is, and will always be the modern organized religious system. It fits into Mat. 20:25 thru27 & Rev. 11:2 and they are given by God to remain there. Think it not strange to find yourself where you are. The 21st century Exodus is freeing people all over the planet to seek Him and Him alone. You are more than just merchandise, Rev 18:13. He is leading you into True interdepence with Jesus the head of His multi-membered Body of Chirist , of whom you are.
jerome112051 2 years ago
You're just religous......hmm. I guess that's the problem with churches today, too much God. Wow.
Man, I've been so blessed to have a good church all my life.
Brutangel22 2 years ago
People make descions far too hastily I feel-I would consider waiting a month and reflecting. The thing is, you will not find a perfect church (ever), but there could be people there you can help. (Churches arn't about finding perfect people, for that matter). I sometimes think people are concerned about the wrong issues, when there are far more important ones...instead of seeing oppertunity they see problems.
freezingstill 2 years ago
Another thing to consider is, that even if someone doesn't see immediate fruit, that does not mean God is not working in peoples (and your) heart. Sometimes being an abiding presence is more powerful an argument and tool of influence then simply leaving. Sometimes people just "leaving" enables things to become worse.
freezingstill 2 years ago
freezing - I agree completely - the problem is that I have gone through those steps and Im not sure there's any opportunity to be had when I am mocked and marginalized... but God will show me - and all the responses are helping me to at least get a more clear view of the options available. GBU
christoferL 2 years ago
Chris the other side of it is more personal, if you are feeling hurt and wounded, I don't believe Christ desires that for his flock-for his children. Please take time to remember that and...heal. I think it sucks to be honest and I am pained to see sincere brothers and sisters in pain...
freezingstill 2 years ago
Amen
gdy80 2 years ago
Wow! Do we go to the same church?
Actually, we left that church...my family still goes there...so I know what they said last week.
I know what you should do.....LEAVE!!
We have been labeled "church jumpers".....the last pastor even gave the same sermon 3 times that I know of on why "church jumping" is bad. He said it was because we are trying to "bless ourselves."
That's not true.....we jump because pastors fall away from scripture. It really may be time to leave! HOME CHURCH!
Wivanunu 2 years ago
My advice would be to pray about it but I bet you are doing that.
Maybe it helps if you see it from the "what would Jesus do?" perspective.
God bless!
RealTrueTarget 2 years ago
"Time to Go?". Thought it was about your mostache for a moment. lol ... You could allways move to the UK :-)
alamo11 2 years ago
Right now we are not a stable family. So I usually fall back on "we won't be here long anyways" when settling in a church. I know it is going to be a struggle when we get back home. I think it is good that you are consistently seeking. Keep seeking. If you are MORE not in agreement with the churches theology, then I would be gone. But If there are only a few things that you struggle with, I would say to use it for you and your families spiritual growth.
KelsoFabulous 2 years ago
Hi Chris, you are right feeling that way about halloween, its origins are pure satanic evil. Get to know the true feast days of the MOST HIGH Read Leviticus 23. Not man made holidays. Also the true SABBATH is fri sunset to sat sunset. NOT SUNDAY. You do not have to belong to any church. Seek the MOST HIGH YHWY through the son YAHUSHUA and be willing to be led. followersofyah is a good site with alot of information and books and tracts that can be read online. May YAHUWAH Bless us all!
JazminesTreasures 2 years ago
Hi Chris. I dont know much about your church, but I know a little about you. I have similar thoughts about my own church. But there are 2 ways of looking at it. You could leave ,or you could stay. Sometimes a church will not change if everyone that dissagrees with it leaves. Sometimes God may want us to affect a community from within. You have leadership qualities, but I have sometimes found that similar people are not satisfied. A leader has to be able to serve. cont...
alamo11 2 years ago
cont.. However I am not sure about your leader. I only saw him once on youtube and I was concerned. Maybe thats just me. You asked for prophesy. Once I think God showed me a picture of a glass of fizzy clear drink. it was very frothy on top. Then he seperated the froth from the drink.the froth could not sustain itself and fizzled or flattened out. Are you being fed froth, or is the drink life giving.Are you being pressured to go with the flow.Its OK if its from God, but not if it isnt. GBU bro
alamo11 2 years ago
alamo - thanks - you're input means a lot... as does everyone else's - but you are someone who I've known for a long time on here... GBU
christoferL 2 years ago
i've been struggling with the same thing christoferL.
Maybe God is bringing you to all these churches for a reason.
There is no priest, your pastor is just a man like you are. Christ is our priest now, he is our teacher and teaches us through His holy spirit.
What it comes down to is the people, if you get along with them Chris, and they are good for your soul then so be it.
However if the teachings of a church are corupting you personally then flee, flee indeed.
Yohum7 2 years ago
You already know my opinion, but then, it's not our opinion that matters....only His.....which is hardly popular!
Brother563 2 years ago
Chris................sincerely..............Let the WORD teach you, NOT MAN DOCTRINES. There are many who have left the church who participate online for weekly services. IT IS WRITTEN !
NWOIS666 2 years ago
Sounds to me you are trapped in a false and carnal church. My advice... RUN! take your family and RUN! don't risk your soul or those of your children to be politically correct. Find a church that stays firmly in the Word of God... if you can't find one.. then start a home church (which is more in line with the primitive church anyway)... but do NOT stay in this carnal and misleading church.
SisterSunnshine 2 years ago
This is much to cover in this video but one thing you said in it does raise some red flags for me. When you said I have been (I assume you mean joined if not please correct me) to 7 chuches in the past 5 years. You also stated that you are looking for something that fits you. Well for me that almost sounds like your not really looking for truth but to find something that fits your already held beleifs about Christ and Christianity. Now I do agree with you on some of cont.....
Shirotora1979 2 years ago
of the points you made about the Church but your breaking point about halloween just seems slightly artificial. That you kinda have been looking for a reason to leave and this gave it to you. Now this being said I want to be clear I am NOT saying that this is accurate but is SOLELY based upon the context of the video alone. When someone said Heresy Hunter to you it seems to me that based upon you being a part of so many churches and leaving that it could be true in the context cont.....
Shirotora1979 2 years ago
context that you seem to look for problems with the churches. Though I honestly don't know enough to make these as judgements but something to think about. Now the thing is that maybe you have become used to just leaving a church when something about it really doesn't fit you. I would honestly suggest that you take some serious time to study the bible, History of scriptures and interpretation troughout your chosen faith before coming to any conclusion. Now it may be that this cont....
Shirotora1979 2 years ago
this church really is in the wrong (especally if its about prosperity doctrine) and you should leave but if you do make sure it really is for the right reasons. If you do end up I would honestly suggest not just jumping to another church but learn about it...what it really beleives and its views on scripture, history and so on. I would suggest finding a church that fits Christ not you. You have to also rember that your the one that could be wrong. Now I have a lot of cont....
Shirotora1979 2 years ago
lot of respect for you and while I don't agree with everything you say I know your truly trying to serve the Lord. I am still sick so can't make a vid right now so that is why this comment is so long. Seriously though pray and think and study before you come to any conclusion and actions. Take care my freind and God Bless.
Shirotora1979 2 years ago
Shiro - I've done that - but I can say that I am confused over whether or not I am being too emotional or whether or not I am feeling conviction from God to move on... I do not like to - or want to - church hop - as it is called.
christoferL 2 years ago
Shiro ...Halloween is just one of many straws upon the camel's back - but I have been holding on in hope - striving to be patient and compassionate... and may end up continuing to do so - however - words like yours will help me to remember that I could be the problem - not 'them'... and I thank you for that.
christoferL 2 years ago
Shiro - I shouldve been more careful - I have attended 7-8 churches but only joined 2 (the last two) as an actual member. When I say I am looking for something that fits 'me' I am giving a politically correct nod to those who would argue that their church is following God's Word - I am looking for what God has shown to be true as I see it - if that makes sense. I am not looking for a church that bends to my sin or something like that.
christoferL 2 years ago
My parents struggled with this for a long time. Until God led them to a church about 45 minutes away from them. Its called Faith Christian Center and its located in Seekonk MA. I find the doctrin taught there to be exactly what I want, and what I like. The people there, while they do have their faults, are very kind and supportive. PM if you want more info dude. I shall also be praying for God to show you the right path.
thelastonestanding45 2 years ago
Keep praying man
Ask God to show you, and for help and for strength. Dont let Satan mess with you and your emotions brother.
If this place is bringing you down and stopping your growth and all, then id recommend you maybe move on.
But all i can say is, just let God help sort it out with you :)
xIMPERIALx 2 years ago
It's a tough decision Chris. I went through it a few years ago. I made the decision to leave organized church completely. I found that I have learned more by just letting the Holy Spirit teach me on my own.
Once you remove the traditions of men, you learn a great deal more.
I know you are asking US what we think you should do, but ultimately you need to let God tell you what is right for you and your family.
scutter4christ 2 years ago
a church by definition of a "body of believers"... it has nothing to do with what building or people you join Chris! remember that!
now in this modern world... it's a little more tough, I understand. I've been reading "Pagan Christianity?" and comparing my past experiences with Churches/denominations and now understand when I was young--why I wasn't truly a Christian, and saw hypocrisy littered in the rituals/beliefs.
God will lead you-you can stay and try to help others understand, or leave.
droptozro 2 years ago
"He that walketh with wise men shall be wise: but a companion of fools shall be destroyed." [Prov. 13:20]
PLEASE, DO NOT LET YOUR CHILDREN BE WITH FOOLS! I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE WHAT CAN HAPPEN IN WORST SCENARIOS!
I'll pray that God will lead you on this issue. It bothers me just as much...
God bless you.
InSlaveryToChrist 2 years ago
Must say that it's VERY important, CONCERNING YOUR CHILDREN'S GROWTH, what church you take them in.
I can understand your situation. I myself do not belong to a church, to say the fact, I left my church for it's lack of knowledge. "But you could be a light for those people!" -Yes, but since I see no repentance or concern in their thoughts after rebuking them, neither I see no reason to hang with them.
InSlaveryToChrist 2 years ago
Even if the church placed Halloween in the realm of Christian liberty, we are told not to flaunt that liberty in front of those whose conscience tells them it is wrong.
We should always be sesitive to the conscience of others in these matters. It is wrong for your pastor and elders to dismiss and mock you.
I can sympathize with you. My church is drifting toward word-faith and "God isn't here if you can't feel Him" mentality.
Continue to pray and read the Word for now
TheotherPrometheus 2 years ago
Look for an email.
TheEdge012 2 years ago
Although we don't communicate, I have both agreed and disagreed with you in the past on a variety of subjects. Today, I must say that I am proud of you. It doesn't matter how long a person is a Christian, we are always being given more sight to see as we grow. I think this video answers your own question. You know what you need to do. Its hard not having a church, but harder to be in one that directly opposes Yeshua's teachings. You're in my prayers.
ThisIsMySockAccount 2 years ago
Ive been to dozens of churches, and ultimately stopped going. But for me it was a breath of fresh air, and feel that I have gotten closer to God. But that's just me.
JeffTheDude777 2 years ago
I'm about to do the same, glad to hear it worked out for the best for someone else. I always feel uplifted when studying with friends or on my own but attending the congregation I'm currently in seems to be more of a test of my faith then anything else unfortunately.
TopherBlairMusic 2 years ago
Yeah. Its better for to get with a small group of like-minded people.
JeffTheDude777 2 years ago
I would be afraid of any group that thinks the same. Surrounding yourself with people that will always agree with you sounds like a bad idea. I doubt the 12 disciples were clones. Matt 18
SaintCog 2 years ago
SaintCog - I do agree - but the fundementals are important - I guess the question is where does one draw the line?
christoferL 2 years ago
I would suggest you ask questions regarding your problems, to the people of the church. What this does is it makes them find you interesting, so they're more likely to listen to you.
I'm gonna share a video with you, which I think you can use. It doesn't exactly fit the bill; but it can be adapted.
phillippi2 2 years ago
It's a tough spot to be in. I don't think I'll have any good advice, but I'll pray for you.
spasticmonastic 2 years ago
thanks spastic!
christoferL 2 years ago
I feel for u Chris cause we have been thru that & worse.
One church we attended went to the point of denying the word 'sin', 'repent' & 'hell'. We were kicked out for standing up for witnessing the gospel instead of doing the 'all you need is love' & being like the world but slapping the word 'christian' on everything.
Pragmatism has infected the church & to its detriment.
As for what to do - its hard to say. Being a lone ranger/in the wilderness has its place, but still have to get back.
SafeArmsReview 2 years ago
LOL. Keep looking christoferL. the old "Never find a perfect church" line.........its used here in Australia a lot also. Ever wonder why church stays well away from teaching details??? LMAO
Its what its about.......keeping people sheep. So much for no confusion.
Maybe you are just as wrong as they are are.
cjunk351 2 years ago
cjunk - I could be - which is why I am looking for advice... :)
christoferL 2 years ago
I think church hoping is a good idea. You get to see the church from a brids eye point of view to some extetent. Look at it as though God is showing you the state the church by and large is actually in. See what non believers see quite easily. Who knows, you may come out with something more profound and rock solid than what they teach at church.Just dont fall for the trap of starting your own cult/church, which finally gets it right for a change LOL (sarcasm at the end there)
cjunk351 2 years ago
(2). Considering that atheist and christians alike can agree that there are so many preachers out there obviously making themselves rich of the "pay %10 tithe or receive a Godly curse" mantra, you may consider yourself to be on to something. Look up Voltaire and wonder why so many poor christians loved the guy over the church (while remaining christians)
cjunk351 2 years ago
I would suggest yokeup ministries church. He is a darling chap who sees everthing as demonic or angelic, black or white, no room for grey or rainbow colors.
nighuntowhen 2 years ago
Chris Christianity means different things to different people. I think you are more than aware of this. You are being selective with regards to your dislikes and what you subjectively believe should be Christianity. Although, I do admire you need to follow some sort of truth and balance with regards to biblical interpretation and its applications for day to day lives.
TheWisemonkey8 2 years ago
However, you must admit, church (in majority) is nothing more than a interesting social gathering. What do I really think you should do? In all honesty I would recommend that you have a think about what I have written above and take it one step further how might human subjective need and cultural influence affect the idea of God, religious doctrine and the real credibility of Christianity.
TheWisemonkey8 2 years ago
Its s all made and produced by mankind Chris it is quite obvious if you really allow yourself to dare question and think about it. If is was not? Well, surely the truth (if it ever existed) has long been diluted beyond repair by the influencing factors I cite above. Be well and happy. Kind and warm regards to you and your family.
TheWisemonkey8 2 years ago
Chris I would be in total agreement here with WM.
One doesn`t need be christian to offer some sound reason.
ThirdProverb 2 years ago
Always try to help the church that it may change,you tried that.If i where you i would leave and have house church.
alterdcrash 2 years ago
I hear you! It's difficult to find a church. I have actually stopped going, what's the use?
sogren5 2 years ago
i think that halloween is the same exact thing as those harvest days or whatever they are called. might as well just celebrate halloween if you want and not celebrate it if you don't
miglegtr 2 years ago
mig - I agree with you - I don't agree with Halloween - but I agree even less with a glossed over version of it.
christoferL 2 years ago
what are the reasons you don't agree with halloween? just bc its not safe? or bc of its pagan origins?
miglegtr 2 years ago
What would I do? After talking w/ the pastor? After talking with elders? And getting nowhere? Not even an offer of any of them to pray about it?
I'd come out of her and really seek Yahweh and ask Him where He wants you. He's so faithful - He WILL answer you......and bless you for seeking HIM first in this matter.
Yah bless.
tigerlamb007 2 years ago
Acts 8:9-24, the story of Simon, shows that occultism and Christianity don't mix.
Wow, this is an issue where its very sensitive. I wouldnt make any rush decision; pray about it and we will pray with you.
I am going through a storm myself, and brother all we can do at this point; is just rest and rely on Jesus. Keep on seeking his kingdom, the rest will be added including a good church.
I would like to talk to you tonight if possible via phone. I will PM you my phone # when I get home
Nephtali1981 2 years ago
Remember when bible talks about the great falling away.. I think that's the point where the churches we have today.. mostly all of them.. have become.
Everyone knows that they are sinners, and that they need to repent.. yet they still teach doctrine that let them do what ever they want.. And then say that we love god..
I would do this:
Show them where they are wrong.. few times.. If they don't listen.. Don't mind them.. Get out.. Don't start your own denomination
live in righeousness!
AhoSenpai 2 years ago
System church is antichrist. Leave.
jmaconattack 2 years ago
Christofer - you now begin to reach the crossroads that I did many years ago over many of the same issues. Calling Halloween a Harvest Festival does not change what you are doing. It is evil in G-ds eyes. Worse yet HE provided a Harvest time HOLY day called Sukkot. But dare not recommend to celebrate those lest you be called a Judiazer.
I have attached a video showing some highlights of our celebration.
Be G-d fearing!
pastorgeorgec 2 years ago
Judiazer! Judiazer! :oP
ThisIsMySockAccount 2 years ago
Personally I'd get up and leave, but then again I don't exactly know your circumstance, Chris. It's the same here, when people find out that I don't celebrate "Christ-Mass", "Eeshtar", or "Hollow-eve", I usually get weird looks and the occasional "HERETIC!" accusation.
I'd say, start your own church, but that could be a heck of a hassle to undertake such a huge mission. If I were you, I'd try to find some sort of a "house church". All I can say is, P.U.S.H. (Pray Until Something Happens).
WaitingforChrist 2 years ago
"Hallelujah Night" festivities are supposed to be a safe alternative. I think this stems from the doctrine that for every good thing God has, the Devil has his counterfeit. So this a way of making a counterfeit for one of the Devil's holidays (turn an evil for good). In fact, some churches are even using this as an opportunity to spread their gospel message. Guts Church in Tulsa, OK, holds the "Nightmare" exhibit every year to "scare the HELL out of you".
Search: "Guts Church Nightmare".
FlowCell 2 years ago
Hi Chris:
The church is not a place where we can expect spiritual perfection. Personally, I see the issue of "Halloween," "bunnies," "Christmas trees," etc. as a Romans 14 issue.
If those participating in your church BELIEVE it is sin and yet CONTINUE to participate, then I would be concerned.
Bottom line for me is that if you feel fellowship AND you are learning and growing spiritually in the church you are in, I say stay put.
Praying for you on this, bro... Peace...
LiftAloft 2 years ago
Chris, you can only do what God lays upon your heart. I pray that Jesus will give you direction. You have to trust HIM. He IS our Good Shepherd after all.
As for the holidays, as biggydman said, both Christmas and Easter are Pagan holidays that the Catholic Church adopted and Christianized (I'm sure you know this). I was shocked to find out what the easter bunny and easter eggs really represent (as well as the christmas tree).
BudManInChrist 2 years ago
The only thing I can say about this is Judge with Rightous Judgement. We can't judge the intents of people's hearts. Now, If you're seeing things and hear things that are complelety unbiblical Leave that Church. I Don't know your pastor or his intentions, but if he isn't seeking to restore the biblical model of the Church (Chirt's community) then it really isn't worth your time. If all you're doing and are encouraged to do is go sit in a pew, Listen to a sermon and put money in the plate-
cliffw77 2 years ago
-Just leave...that's just another typical dead church...Personally I see no problem with Christians gathering on holloween as long as it is an entirely different function than that of the world..It shouldn't even resemble the world's activity. Now a costume party is one thing, but a haunted house is another, But should we have a costume party on halloween?
no,I think that sends the wrong message. The truth is you will never find a church that agrees 100% with what you believe.-
cliffw77 2 years ago
-simply for the fact that we all hold to doctrines that are more of a mystery than a sure thing (Pretrib midtrb or posttrib rapture, Days of creation, should women teach etc etc.) But the main thing is that we judge actions not people...I don't know if that helped but there it is.
cliffw77 2 years ago
HalleluYAH Our Father..
Come out of her my people.
The truth is we are not teaching the kids nothing.
Chris you need to make a millon dollars a year then they will here. Chris I did not just wake up and say one day I am going to start keeping God commandment I started because I seen where not keeping them was taking people to a pagan god. All of God's words are for our good. Even the ones people wont hear anymore..
Brother Phil.
Wisdomcalls1 2 years ago
Thanks bro Phil - I know you're right about the 'not hearing anymore' without a doubt...
christoferL 2 years ago
hinton - wow - your post hit home - particularly about setting a standard - maybe staying and standing vs running (again)
christoferL 2 years ago
Look for another church. In the meantime, look up sermons here in YouTube and elsewhere on the internet that your family can watch. Also maintain your friendships with those in the church who are godly and perhaps invite them over for bible study.
Don't feel bad if you've been to several churches in several years. It's getting real hard to find a church that preaches the Word accurately and then lives it out. Many churches nowadays are just social congeniality clubs.
MelodyOfVision 2 years ago
Melody - I hear ya.
christoferL 2 years ago
If you do decide to leave you can just start having home fellowship,kinda like the first church did.That is by having fellow Christians meet up over someone's house and discuss what the Lord puts on your hearts,good things the Lord has done and everyone giving to each others needs.
Accune 2 years ago
I hope and pray you find a wonderful fellowship/church.God Speed Bro
Accune 2 years ago
I say leave it all together. It does nothing but create confusion with its dualistic mindset. The enemies and the attitude may change depending where you are, but the hateful yet 'loving' message is still the same. Don't blame the people, but the source (The Bible).
Homer177 2 years ago
Homer - I don't believe the Bible gives us any wiggle room to condone Halloween -
christoferL 2 years ago
The Bible can mean whatever someone wants it to. Why else do you think it's so vague? It doesn't give answers, but instead leaves more questions where there previously were none.
Homer177 2 years ago
You struggled with this Halloween issue last year. Do you struggle with Saturnilia (Christmas) and Ishtar (Easter) too? You will find issues with any church you attend! If you pull out and start your own thing, you'll become the object of someone else's convictions! I think that if you have a personal conviction about Halloween- live it out- but don't expect others to share that. Seven churches in five years- might as well leave- that church loved you in spite of yourself!
biggydman 2 years ago
Big - Actually - I struggle with the whole Santa thing - as well as the Bunny thing - but not those holidays themselves. Halloween is different because I see it as a spiritual deception that so many just pretend isn't there. As I said - I don't want to start my own thing - that only adds to other problems... so you vote 'yes, leave?'
christoferL 2 years ago
No! Not at all. I vote stay. If you came to my church- I'd hesitate to embrace you simply because I'd say- this guy is a "leaver" and he's going to leave! This church has embraced you and loved you in spite of your track record. Church hopping doesn't hurt people as much as it hurts their kids. They never learn committment- they learn- look for imperfection- find it and move on. I am in imperfect man with an imperfect church and a perfect Savior. Bitter people will give you bad advice!
biggydman 2 years ago
Big - while I don't know how loving the other churches were - in this case I do have to wonder how loving it was to mock and joke about said 'personal conviction' - and I also have to wonder how 'personal' it could be - considering I do NOT think Jesus would partake in Halloween whatsoever.
christoferL 2 years ago
Mocking anyone's convictions is never right. I'm sure they would find things in their own lives that they avoid that you don't have a problem with. None of us are really qualified to answer this question for you because only the Holy Spirit can direct you here! Hypothetical: If Jesus had a house and kids were knocking on his door to trick or treat- do you think he'd: just pretend he wasn't there, tell them they were going to Hell, or give them gospel tracts instead of candy?
biggydman 2 years ago
If you tell your kid about Santa Claus in the context that he's a real person who does magical things like go down every chimney and visit every house on Earth in one night, you are lying to your children. If you want to tell your kids about the history behind the origins of Santa Claus and St. Nicholas, that's perfectly honest.
Cute little bunnies I see as almost analogous to innocent lams. They don't fit with the tradition of Christianity, but the central theme is the same.
FlowCell 2 years ago